Guest guest Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Namaste Mr. Kursija, I casted the chart using JHORA. After reading your message, changed the settings to Bhava-Chalit chart. Even then it is showing Mars in Sagittarius with conjunct Moon. Mars = 23 deg. 09 min. The main difference in this chart When changing from Rasi Chart to Bhava Chalit chart 3H Ketu moves to 4H 4H Sun moves to 5H = Deb. Sun direct aspect to Deb. Saturn®. (I love deb. planets.). The Deb. Saturn(Retro) aspect on Mars has accentuated the bad behavior, coupled with deb. Sun and Sun & Saturn mutual direct aspect and both deb. Further, I missed to notice Venus is deb. in 4H. (earlier due to my time constraints noted only Venus in 4H, failed to observe the sign then....).... hence I stand corrected now......that she would NOT hesitate to create turmoil in the house !!! (withdraw my HOMELY LADY statement made in my earlier mail) Kindly share with us how was her Sun Mahadasha i.e. Year 1992 - 1998. Then again going Hyperbole in Moon mahadasha...poor husband....have my sympathies with him......Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on this.....) Note for those doing research : The data shared by Mr. Kursija ji = Female, 16-Oct-1969, 22:00hrs, New Delhi Date of marriage 19-3-1993 Compromised on 22-6-1998 This horrorscope has 3 deb. planets as per Bhava Chalit kundali. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Dear Sreeram Nivas, I am using parashar light. Love and regards --- On Fri, 6/19/09, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: > sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 > Re: Mangal dosha_3_Debilitated Planets > > Friday, June 19, 2009, 1:28 PM > > Namaste Mr. Kursija, > > I casted the chart using JHORA. After reading your > message, changed > the settings to Bhava-Chalit chart. Even then it is > showing Mars in > Sagittarius with conjunct Moon. Mars = 23 > deg. 09 min. The main > difference in this chart When changing from Rasi Chart to > Bhava Chalit > chart > > 3H Ketu moves to 4H > > 4H Sun moves to 5H = Deb. Sun direct aspect to Deb. > Saturn®. (I > love deb. planets.). > > The Deb. Saturn(Retro) aspect on Mars has accentuated the > bad behavior, > coupled with deb. Sun and Sun & Saturn mutual direct > aspect and both > deb. > > Further, I missed to notice Venus is deb. in 4H. (earlier > due to my time > constraints noted only Venus in 4H, failed to observe the > sign > then....).... hence I stand corrected now......that > she would NOT > hesitate to create turmoil in the house !!! (withdraw > my HOMELY LADY > statement made in my earlier mail) > > Kindly share with us how was her Sun Mahadasha i.e. Year > 1992 - 1998. > Then again going Hyperbole in Moon mahadasha...poor > husband....have my > sympathies with him......Kindly convey mine and group's > sympathies to > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on > this.....) > > Note for those doing research : The data shared by Mr. > Kursija ji = > Female, 16-Oct-1969, > 22:00hrs, New Delhi > Date of marriage 19-3-1993 > Compromised on 22-6-1998 > This horrorscope has 3 deb. planets as per Bhava Chalit > kundali. > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Dear Sreeram ji, //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on this.....)// Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap with one hand... blessings, Renu , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Namaste Mr. Kursija, > > I casted the chart using JHORA. After reading your message, changed > the settings to Bhava-Chalit chart. Even then it is showing Mars in > Sagittarius with conjunct Moon. Mars = 23 deg. 09 min. The main > difference in this chart When changing from Rasi Chart to Bhava Chalit > chart > > 3H Ketu moves to 4H > > 4H Sun moves to 5H = Deb. Sun direct aspect to Deb. Saturn®. (I > love deb. planets.). > > The Deb. Saturn(Retro) aspect on Mars has accentuated the bad behavior, > coupled with deb. Sun and Sun & Saturn mutual direct aspect and both > deb. > > Further, I missed to notice Venus is deb. in 4H. (earlier due to my time > constraints noted only Venus in 4H, failed to observe the sign > then....).... hence I stand corrected now......that she would NOT > hesitate to create turmoil in the house !!! (withdraw my HOMELY LADY > statement made in my earlier mail) > > Kindly share with us how was her Sun Mahadasha i.e. Year 1992 - 1998. > Then again going Hyperbole in Moon mahadasha...poor husband....have my > sympathies with him......Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on this.....) > > Note for those doing research : The data shared by Mr. Kursija ji = > Female, 16-Oct-1969, 22:00hrs, New Delhi > Date of marriage 19-3-1993 > Compromised on 22-6-1998 > This horrorscope has 3 deb. planets as per Bhava Chalit kundali. > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Resected Ranu, I agree with you. One can not clap wth one hand. So I give you the data of husband too. DOB 09-06-1964, TOB 11:30 POB Delhi The lagna is vargottam Leo, Ketu in 5th, Sagittarius, Saturn in Aquarius, 7th, Jupiter in 9th Aries, Sun, Moon, Mars and Mercury in 10th, Taurus, Venus retrograde with Rahu in 11th.He is working as broker in Sadar Bazar. Regards --- On Fri, 6/19/09, renunw <renunw wrote: > renunw <renunw > Re: Mangal dosha_3_Debilitated Planets > > Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM > Dear Sreeram ji, > > //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on > this.....)// > > Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is > one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like > this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap > with one hand... > > blessings, > > Renu > > > , > " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Mr. Kursija, > > > > I casted the chart using JHORA. After reading > your message, changed > > the settings to Bhava-Chalit chart. Even then it > is showing Mars in > > Sagittarius with conjunct Moon. Mars > = 23 deg. 09 min. The main > > difference in this chart When changing from Rasi Chart > to Bhava Chalit > > chart > > > > 3H Ketu moves to 4H > > > > 4H Sun moves to 5H = Deb. Sun direct aspect to > Deb. Saturn®. (I > > love deb. planets.). > > > > The Deb. Saturn(Retro) aspect on Mars has accentuated > the bad behavior, > > coupled with deb. Sun and Sun & Saturn mutual > direct aspect and both > > deb. > > > > Further, I missed to notice Venus is deb. in 4H. > (earlier due to my time > > constraints noted only Venus in 4H, failed to observe > the sign > > then....).... hence I stand corrected > now......that she would NOT > > hesitate to create turmoil in the house !!! > (withdraw my HOMELY LADY > > statement made in my earlier mail) > > > > Kindly share with us how was her Sun Mahadasha i.e. > Year 1992 - 1998. > > Then again going Hyperbole in Moon > mahadasha...poor husband....have my > > sympathies with him......Kindly convey mine and > group's sympathies to > > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me > on this.....) > > > > Note for those doing research : The data shared by Mr. > Kursija ji = > > Female, 16-Oct-1969, > 22:00hrs, New Delhi > > Date of marriage 19-3-1993 > > Compromised on 22-6-1998 > > This horrorscope has 3 deb. planets as per Bhava > Chalit kundali. > > > > With regards, > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Dear Kursija ji, Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least competent to judge a person from his birth chart. I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this is an astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the sense...may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriages have ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you. A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death. That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my case. I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a difficult wife. blessings, Renu , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > > Resected Ranu, > I agree with you. One can not clap wth one hand. So I give you the data of husband too. > DOB 09-06-1964, > TOB 11:30 > POB Delhi > > The lagna is vargottam Leo, Ketu in 5th, Sagittarius, Saturn in Aquarius, 7th, Jupiter in 9th Aries, Sun, Moon, Mars and Mercury in 10th, Taurus, Venus retrograde with Rahu in 11th.He is working as broker in Sadar Bazar. > Regards > --- On Fri, 6/19/09, renunw <renunw wrote: > > > renunw <renunw > > Re: Mangal dosha_3_Debilitated Planets > > > > Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM > > Dear Sreeram ji, > > > > //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to > > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on > > this.....)// > > > > Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is > > one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like > > this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap > > with one hand... > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > > > , > > " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Mr. Kursija, > > > > > > I casted the chart using JHORA. After reading > > your message, changed > > > the settings to Bhava-Chalit chart. Even then it > > is showing Mars in > > > Sagittarius with conjunct Moon. Mars > > = 23 deg. 09 min. The main > > > difference in this chart When changing from Rasi Chart > > to Bhava Chalit > > > chart > > > > > > 3H Ketu moves to 4H > > > > > > 4H Sun moves to 5H = Deb. Sun direct aspect to > > Deb. Saturn®. (I > > > love deb. planets.). > > > > > > The Deb. Saturn(Retro) aspect on Mars has accentuated > > the bad behavior, > > > coupled with deb. Sun and Sun & Saturn mutual > > direct aspect and both > > > deb. > > > > > > Further, I missed to notice Venus is deb. in 4H. > > (earlier due to my time > > > constraints noted only Venus in 4H, failed to observe > > the sign > > > then....).... hence I stand corrected > > now......that she would NOT > > > hesitate to create turmoil in the house !!! > > (withdraw my HOMELY LADY > > > statement made in my earlier mail) > > > > > > Kindly share with us how was her Sun Mahadasha i.e. > > Year 1992 - 1998. > > > Then again going Hyperbole in Moon > > mahadasha...poor husband....have my > > > sympathies with him......Kindly convey mine and > > group's sympathies to > > > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me > > on this.....) > > > > > > Note for those doing research : The data shared by Mr. > > Kursija ji = > > > Female, 16-Oct-1969, > > 22:00hrs, New Delhi > > > Date of marriage 19-3-1993 > > > Compromised on 22-6-1998 > > > This horrorscope has 3 deb. planets as per Bhava > > Chalit kundali. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Dear Renu Ji, You said " Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man " . In the context of a marital relationship, which is what I assume you are referring to, I disagree with you that a woman needs to always be provoked by a man. However (this is a big however) I certainly agree that when a situation gets to the point as described by Kursija Ji, BOTH couple are to blame. There is awlays a reason for a behaviour. Some times it is difficult circumstances beyond ones control. Some times it is child hood trauma suffered by the woman. Some times it is an abusive father or mother or husband. Whatever the circumstance is, one of the two (couple), who is stronger mentally, must find the where-withal to make things better, whatever it takes. In many situations counselling and/or anti-depressants (homeopathic, ayurvedic or allopathic) helps a great deal. Unfortunately as a culture, Indians are not proactive to seek help. When they do seek help, they seek it from the wrong people. Especially Men (with Egos as big as a high rise building) think it is " un-manly " to accept that " their marriage is NOT working and we need help " . Without seeking appropriate professional and commensense help, no amount of chanting mantras or doing pujas/bhajans is going to help. God only helps those who help themselves. Coming back to Jyotish this poor woman has Ascendant in Ardra and Moon in Mula Nakshatra conjunct 6th lord Mars. Arudra and Moola are vicous Nakshatras for a woman. Since 1998 she has been running her Moon dasha till 2008. Now she is running her Mars dasha. Retrograde and deb Saturn aspects her 5th house and Lagna. Mars also aspects her Lagna. In her Panchamsha, which shows how nurturing (or NOT) her birth family was, we again see Moon in the Lagna aspected by lagna lord Saturn who is in turn aspected by Mars. Mercury the karaka for discrimination, in D-5 is in the 8th house aspected by both Saturn and Mars. This is a " modified " bala-arishta, where a benific is in a trikisthana aspected by two malefics, one of them retrograde. All this points to where the REAL problem originated, in her childhood. Here is a child, who did not have a nurturing child hood. This may or may not have been the fault of her parents. Things some times happen. This lady is mentally ill. She is severely depressed and needs serious mental help through counselling/and or medicine. It may be too late for counselling alone. She definitely needs medicine. She needs a strong husband who will, forcefully if needed, to give her unconditional love and get her the help she needs. This is where Jyotisha ends and real Love begins. The one of the unconditional kind that surpasses all human understanding. If the husband (and wife, but in this case more the husband) does not take the drastic measures needed to save his wife, despite what Kursija Ji's assurances, I am not certain that the dasha of the 6th lord Mars and antar of 7th lord Jupiter will not see a separation. Although this is in India, where marriages are made in heaven and suffered patiently on Earth despite ongoing abuses, so I might be wrong. I will end this email with the following statement from the book Words of the Mother from Sri Aurobindo's Ashram: Question: Seet Mother, I am suffering deeply. I dont deserve this suffering. I feel I want to put an end to this Life. Please advice. Answer: Dear child, I have great sympathy and understanding of your suffering, but I am unshakeably convinced that we create for ourselves the circumstances in this Life by our own previous actions. Such circumstances can only be undone by new actions or higher wisdom. Suicide is no panacea. It only makes things worse. Atleast now you have the ability to bear with strength and act with wisdom. Do that and leave the rest to HIM. I feel this is applicable to both the husband and the wife. More importantly, as someone who has all the planet Lords 1 through 7 in houses 6,8 or 12, I know it is applicable to me. Regards, -Manoj ________________________________ renunw <renunw Friday, June 19, 2009 11:02:23 AM Re: Mangal dosha_3_Debilitated Planets Dear Kursija ji, Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least competent to judge a person from his birth chart. I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this is an astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the sense...may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriages have ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you. A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death. That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my case. I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a difficult wife. blessings, Renu ancient_indian_ astrology, " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@. ...> wrote: > > > Resected Ranu, > I agree with you. One can not clap wth one hand. So I give you the data of husband too. > DOB 09-06-1964, > TOB 11:30 > POB Delhi > > The lagna is vargottam Leo, Ketu in 5th, Sagittarius, Saturn in Aquarius, 7th, Jupiter in 9th Aries, Sun, Moon, Mars and Mercury in 10th, Taurus, Venus retrograde with Rahu in 11th.He is working as broker in Sadar Bazar. > Regards > --- On Fri, 6/19/09, renunw <renunw wrote: > > > renunw <renunw > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Mangal dosha_3_Debilitated Planets > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM > > Dear Sreeram ji, > > > > //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to > > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on > > this.....)// > > > > Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is > > one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like > > this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap > > with one hand... > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Mr. Kursija, > > > > > > I casted the chart using JHORA. After reading > > your message, changed > > > the settings to Bhava-Chalit chart. Even then it > > is showing Mars in > > > Sagittarius with conjunct Moon. Mars > > = 23 deg. 09 min. The main > > > difference in this chart When changing from Rasi Chart > > to Bhava Chalit > > > chart > > > > > > 3H Ketu moves to 4H > > > > > > 4H Sun moves to 5H = Deb. Sun direct aspect to > > Deb. Saturn®. (I > > > love deb. planets.). > > > > > > The Deb. Saturn(Retro) aspect on Mars has accentuated > > the bad behavior, > > > coupled with deb. Sun and Sun & Saturn mutual > > direct aspect and both > > > deb. > > > > > > Further, I missed to notice Venus is deb. in 4H. > > (earlier due to my time > > > constraints noted only Venus in 4H, failed to observe > > the sign > > > then....)... . hence I stand corrected > > now......that she would NOT > > > hesitate to create turmoil in the house !!! > > (withdraw my HOMELY LADY > > > statement made in my earlier mail) > > > > > > Kindly share with us how was her Sun Mahadasha i.e. > > Year 1992 - 1998. > > > Then again going Hyperbole in Moon > > mahadasha... poor husband....have my > > > sympathies with him......Kindly convey mine and > > group's sympathies to > > > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me > > on this.....) > > > > > > Note for those doing research : The data shared by Mr. > > Kursija ji = > > > Female, 16-Oct-1969, > > 22:00hrs, New Delhi > > > Date of marriage 19-3-1993 > > > Compromised on 22-6-1998 > > > This horrorscope has 3 deb. planets as per Bhava > > Chalit kundali. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Pranams, Male: Born on 9.6.1964 @ 11.30 AM in Delhi – Born in Leo Lagna,Rohini Nakshtra,Rishabha Rasi. 1) He has Sun and Moon in ukkuma / female Rasi and again 2) Mars, Sun also in the same ukkuma / female rasi.3)Lagna in Osa / Male rasi aspected by Mars from Ukkuma / female rasi. The above pointers indicate that he is incapable of discharging his conjugal vows (nabhumsaca yoga)– no lady would willfully accept to live with such a companion in their life – let him subject to Medical examination as a truth finder. Female:Born on 16.10.1969 in New Delhi – Born in Gemini Lagna,Moola Nakshtra,Dhanur rasi. 1) Mars and Moon in the 7th house aspected Rahu – Ponarpoo and vaithvya dosha, such horoscopes with Mithun lagna under go family separation generally 7 years after marriage.2) Ketu in the 3rd house – short tempered. If the above predictions are considered to be overstatements,just ignore them. Thanks, Dhananjayan --- On Fri, 19/6/09, renunw <renunw wrote: renunw <renunw Re: Mangal dosha_3_Debilitated Planets Friday, 19 June, 2009, 11:32 PM Dear Kursija ji, Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least competent to judge a person from his birth chart. I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this is an astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the sense....may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriages have ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you. A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death. That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my case. I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a difficult wife. blessings, Renu ancient_indian_ astrology, " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@. ...> wrote: > > > Resected Ranu, > I agree with you. One can not clap wth one hand. So I give you the data of husband too. > DOB 09-06-1964, > TOB 11:30 > POB Delhi > > The lagna is vargottam Leo, Ketu in 5th, Sagittarius, Saturn in Aquarius, 7th, Jupiter in 9th Aries, Sun, Moon, Mars and Mercury in 10th, Taurus, Venus retrograde with Rahu in 11th.He is working as broker in Sadar Bazar. > Regards > --- On Fri, 6/19/09, renunw <renunw wrote: > > > renunw <renunw > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Mangal dosha_3_Debilitated Planets > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM > > Dear Sreeram ji, > > > > //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to > > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on > > this.....)// > > > > Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is > > one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like > > this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap > > with one hand... > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Mr. Kursija, > > > > > > I casted the chart using JHORA. After reading > > your message, changed > > > the settings to Bhava-Chalit chart. Even then it > > is showing Mars in > > > Sagittarius with conjunct Moon.   Mars > > = 23 deg. 09 min. The main > > > difference in this chart When changing from Rasi Chart > > to Bhava Chalit > > > chart > > > > > > 3H Ketu moves to 4H > > > > > > 4H Sun moves to 5H = Deb. Sun direct aspect to > > Deb. Saturn®.   (I > > > love deb. planets.). > > > > > > The Deb. Saturn(Retro) aspect on Mars has accentuated > > the bad behavior, > > > coupled with deb. Sun and Sun & Saturn mutual > > direct aspect and both > > > deb. > > > > > > Further, I missed to notice Venus is deb. in 4H. > > (earlier due to my time > > > constraints noted only Venus in 4H, failed to observe > > the sign > > > then....)... . hence I stand corrected > > now......that she would NOT > > > hesitate to create turmoil in the house !!! > > (withdraw my HOMELY LADY > > > statement made in my earlier mail) > > > > > > Kindly share with us how was her Sun Mahadasha i.e. > > Year 1992 - 1998. > > > Then again going Hyperbole in Moon > > mahadasha... poor husband....have my > > > sympathies with him......Kindly convey mine and > > group's sympathies to > > > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me > > on this.....) > > > > > > Note for those doing research : The data shared by Mr. > > Kursija ji = > > > Female, 16-Oct-1969, > > 22:00hrs,   New Delhi > > > Date of marriage 19-3-1993 > > > Compromised on 22-6-1998 > > > This horrorscope has 3 deb. planets as per Bhava > > Chalit kundali. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Namaste Ms. Renu ji, My statements are always based on the planetary analysis..... I follow the Parashara principles given to be followed by a true astrologer....so I keep my gender aside, when making astro_statements..... Refer my analysis given to Mr. Kursija in my previous mail, where I have given elaborate analysis of the lady's horoscope. First one need to know what are the effects of the debilitated planets - this is what is missed by Mr. Kursija in his complete analysis. 3 deb. planets. Debilitated planets give bad effects of what ?? 1) The house or bhava they are placed ? or 2) The house or bhava they aspect ? or 3) The Houses or bhava they own ?? or 4) All of the above ?? Unless one has the clarity on above...any amount of analysis one does, it would lead to incorrect analysis. As per Mr. Kursija - the aspect of a malefic on Mars intensifies Kuja or Mars or Mangal effect. We are saying Saturn aspect / conjunction on Mars reduces it. Both are correct, but they have their own set of ifs and buts. The experienced astrologers need to delve and draw the differences and the border lines, where & when the intensity of a planet mellows. In a famous astrology magazine - there is commentary on a classical dictum - Mars in..... is a male prostitute.... and a lengthly commentary follows it. Myself and Mr. Sunil Nair discussed between ourselves.... Mr. Sunil Nair took the horrorscope of Lord Rama of Ramayana....who had Mars in the same place as mentioned in that great article....... NOT convinced.....I will give details of the article.... you can verify for yourself...... Such is the quality of article publishers, when queried with a counter cannon ball point..... the quick reply....I do not know...he wrote ..we published..... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, //I disagree with you that a woman needs to always be provoked by a man.// Genuine utterances and beliefs from a good man, I always respect:) But what do men in general know about women? She should be judged impartially and not arrive at assumptions partially. Let me quote Dhananjayan ji's analysis of husband's chart. //1) He has Sun and Moon in ukkuma / female Rasi and again 2) Mars, Sun also in the same ukkuma / female rasi.3)Lagna in Osa / Male rasi aspected by Mars from Ukkuma / female rasi. The above pointers indicate that he is incapable of discharging his conjugal vows (nabhumsaca yoga)†" no lady would willfully accept to live with such a companion in their life †" let him subject to Medical examination as a truth finder.// So here is a case where husband should be responsible for wife's vindictive behaviour provided the above analysis is valid. A wife needs only love and love only. For her even sex is love whereas for men it may be a biological need. She surrenders her body to man to get his love. Bribing???.......I may sound indecent for a woman....but this is the truth in general. 'Provocation' I meant here, may be sudden or gradual, direct or implied, intentional or unintentional. OK, I agree... " Some times it is child hood trauma suffered by the woman. Some times it is an abusive father or mother or husband " . Unfortunately if a man marries a traumatic woman, it is his duty to get her out of that condition. If he is not manly enough to do this, something terribly is wrong with him too. After all men are supposed to be superior than women. ........ " This is where Jyotisha ends and real Love begins " ....... I agree with you, whatever the cause the medicine is LOVE and COMPASSION. Thanks for the touching mail and the astrological explanations. No one can blame the other for one's karma. blessings, Renu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Dear Renu Ji, I am also expressing my views and hope our Democratic Moderators will approve my message...i also know this is Astrology forum and i am a member of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for People like you, i feel strongly that, you must be educated on the practicalities of Current day affairs especially in Relationship read as Husband and Wife. Kindly note: i do not have anything against you personally, i am against your strong lopesided views and blind beliefs against Men. Refer your below comments...i have a great respect for you as a Woman first and then an active learned member of our AIA forum. You quote: //Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree :)// Unquote Let me start with what our Ancient scriputres say about Women 1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said: It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle, and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 45.29 2. Sita said: In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor mother nor their female companions serve as an asylum here or hereafter. The husband alone is their refuge at all times. Valmiki Ramayana Ayodhya Kanda, 27.6 3. " Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " Rig Veda 8.33.17 4. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX 5. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said: Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour. Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false. In the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XIX 6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita: " A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state by serving her lord (husband) " . Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B Now as per my personal views by all these above statements/facts Our Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and didn't mean they are weak or infirior to Men on the contrary they gave Highest value, freedom and respect to the women folk then. And They new very well that WOMAN by itself a Shakti (Power). Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and women organaisation(s) using above statements to Instigate other Women and making them Rebel against thier own family read as Husband/Male... Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy and to be distroyed itself) by Women only... Thank you Chandu2Chill , " renunw " renunw wrote: Dear Kursija ji, Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least competent to judge a person from his birth chart. I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this is an astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the sense...may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriages have ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you. A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death. That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my case. I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a difficult wife. blessings, Renu Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM Dear Sreeram ji, //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on this.....)// Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap with one hand... blessings, Renu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Dear Chandu2chill ji,I was a bit busy with some work, but your message was rather amusing and nice! Couldn't help responding to it. I think we all speak from own experiences and our sample size remains very small to say anything with conviction. Renu ji talks from her own experience and you'd talk from your own. But there are all shades and hues in the garden. Man-woman duo makes the existence complete with Shiva and Shakti residing in them separately, yet both reside in each one of them unitedly. There is a bit of a man in every woman and woman in every man. I hope each one of us strikes and balance and use this shiva-shakti for the purpose it is given to us and not for shattering and brusing each other. A woman cannot deny the role of procreation and nurturing that nature has given to her and she must do it to the best of her ability, even if it requires great sacrifices and man's role has been to PROVIDE for her, which he must at any cost. Of course modern times are challenging and we have souls of both types who are sometimes unbale to perform (sickness), or do not perform for various reasons. They should be treated as sick units! Instead of Gender-biasness, I always advocate gender-friendliness. This can be done, not by being judemental about each other, but by walking hand-in-hand and being positive about each other. God has made no one perfect, yet each one of us is perfect in some way! Thanks for the good post, though it may flare up some more debate. But I enjoyed it! Women should learn to laugh at themselves and uproot insecurity from their system.May be I don't think like a woman (someone said in the other group that I was a so-called woman), but I agree with Chandu ji that a woman is her own enemy. RegardsNeelam2009/6/20 Chandu2chill <nanna_id2006 Dear Renu Ji, I am also expressing my views and hope our Democratic Moderators will approve my message...i also know this is Astrology forum and i am a member of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for People like you, i feel strongly that, you must be educated on the practicalities of Current day affairs especially in Relationship read as Husband and Wife. Kindly note: i do not have anything against you personally, i am against your strong lopesided views and blind beliefs against Men. Refer your below comments...i have a great respect for you as a Woman first and then an active learned member of our AIA forum. You quote: //Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree :)// Unquote Let me start with what our Ancient scriputres say about Women 1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said: It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle, and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 45.29 2. Sita said: In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor mother nor their female companions serve as an asylum here or hereafter. The husband alone is their refuge at all times. Valmiki Ramayana Ayodhya Kanda, 27.6 3. " Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " Rig Veda 8.33.17 4. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX 5. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said: Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour. Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false. In the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XIX 6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita: " A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state by serving her lord (husband) " . Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B Now as per my personal views by all these above statements/facts Our Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and didn't mean they are weak or infirior to Men on the contrary they gave Highest value, freedom and respect to the women folk then. And They new very well that WOMAN by itself a Shakti (Power). Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and women organaisation(s) using above statements to Instigate other Women and making them Rebel against thier own family read as Husband/Male... Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy and to be distroyed itself) by Women only... Thank you Chandu2Chill , " renunw " renunw wrote: Dear Kursija ji, Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least competent to judge a person from his birth chart. I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this is an astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the sense...may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriages have ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you. A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death. That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my case. I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a difficult wife. blessings, Renu Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM Dear Sreeram ji, //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on this.....)// Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap with one hand... blessings, Renu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Chanduji, Whatever you may be trying to say - even if it is valid or not - this was a tactless mail. Picking up few words without R 2 C ( reference to context ) is not helpfull. Please await a barrage of mails for & against your posting. As it is the discussions r going slow or nowhere.Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Sat, 20/6/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Mangal dosha_3_Debilitated Planets Date: Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 2:05 PM Dear Chandu2chill ji,I was a bit busy with some work, but your message was rather amusing and nice! Couldn't help responding to it. I think we all speak from own experiences and our sample size remains very small to say anything with conviction. Renu ji talks from her own experience and you'd talk from your own. But there are all shades and hues in the garden.Man-woman duo makes the existence complete with Shiva and Shakti residing in them separately, yet both reside in each one of them unitedly. There is a bit of a man in every woman and woman in every man. I hope each one of us strikes and balance and use this shiva-shakti for the purpose it is given to us and not for shattering and brusing each other. A woman cannot deny the role of procreation and nurturing that nature has given to her and she must do it to the best of her ability, even if it requires great sacrifices and man's role has been to PROVIDE for her, which he must at any cost. Of course modern times are challenging and we have souls of both types who are sometimes unbale to perform (sickness), or do not perform for various reasons. They should be treated as sick units!Instead of Gender-biasness, I always advocate gender-friendliness . This can be done, not by being judemental about each other, but by walking hand-in-hand and being positive about each other. God has made no one perfect, yet each one of us is perfect in some way!Thanks for the good post, though it may flare up some more debate. But I enjoyed it! Women should learn to laugh at themselves and uproot insecurity from their system.May be I don't think like a woman (someone said in the other group that I was a so-called woman), but I agree with Chandu ji that a woman is her own enemy. RegardsNeelam 2009/6/20 Chandu2chill <nanna_id2006@ > Dear Renu Ji,I am also expressing my views and hope our Democratic Moderators will approve my message...i also know this is Astrology forum and i am a member of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for People like you, i feel strongly that, you must be educated on the practicalities of Current day affairs especially in Relationship read as Husband and Wife. Kindly note: i do not have anything against you personally, i am against your strong lopesided views and blind beliefs against Men. Refer your below comments...i have a great respect for you as a Woman first and then an active learned member of our AIA forum.You quote://Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree :)//UnquoteLet me start with what our Ancient scriputres say about Women1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said:It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle, and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 45.292. Sita said:In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor mother nor their female companions serve as an asylum here or hereafter. The husband alone is their refuge at all times. Valmiki Ramayana Ayodhya Kanda, 27.63. "Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " Rig Veda 8.33.174. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX5.. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said:Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour. Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false. In the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XIX6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita:"A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state by serving her lord (husband)". Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-BNow as per my personal views by all these above statements/facts Our Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and didn't mean they are weak or infirior to Men on the contrary they gave Highest value, freedom and respect to the women folk then. And They new very well that WOMAN by itself a Shakti (Power). Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and women organaisation( s) using above statements to Instigate other Women and making them Rebel against thier own family read as Husband/Male. ..Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy and to be distroyed itself) by Women only...Thank youChandu2Chill ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" renunw wrote:Dear Kursija ji,Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least competent to judge a person from his birth chart. I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this is an astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree :)Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the sense...may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriages have ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you.A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death.That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my case.I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a difficult wife.blessings,Renu Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PMDear Sreeram ji,//Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies toher husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me onthis.....)//Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this isone sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily likethis...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clapwith one hand...blessings,Renu ICC World Twenty20 England '09 exclusively on ! CRICKET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Dear Chiranjiv ji,Its not Chandu ji's fault. We always pick up what suits us and what our circumstances lead us to!:-)RegardsNeelam2009/6/20 chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv Chanduji, Whatever you may be trying to say - even if it is valid or not - this was a tactless mail. Picking up few words without R 2 C ( reference to context ) is not helpfull. Please await a barrage of mails for & against your posting. As it is the discussions r going slow or nowhere.Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Sat, 20/6/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Mangal dosha_3_Debilitated Planets Date: Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 2:05 PM Dear Chandu2chill ji,I was a bit busy with some work, but your message was rather amusing and nice! Couldn't help responding to it. I think we all speak from own experiences and our sample size remains very small to say anything with conviction. Renu ji talks from her own experience and you'd talk from your own. But there are all shades and hues in the garden. Man-woman duo makes the existence complete with Shiva and Shakti residing in them separately, yet both reside in each one of them unitedly. There is a bit of a man in every woman and woman in every man. I hope each one of us strikes and balance and use this shiva-shakti for the purpose it is given to us and not for shattering and brusing each other. A woman cannot deny the role of procreation and nurturing that nature has given to her and she must do it to the best of her ability, even if it requires great sacrifices and man's role has been to PROVIDE for her, which he must at any cost. Of course modern times are challenging and we have souls of both types who are sometimes unbale to perform (sickness), or do not perform for various reasons. They should be treated as sick units! Instead of Gender-biasness, I always advocate gender-friendliness . This can be done, not by being judemental about each other, but by walking hand-in-hand and being positive about each other. God has made no one perfect, yet each one of us is perfect in some way! Thanks for the good post, though it may flare up some more debate. But I enjoyed it! Women should learn to laugh at themselves and uproot insecurity from their system.May be I don't think like a woman (someone said in the other group that I was a so-called woman), but I agree with Chandu ji that a woman is her own enemy. RegardsNeelam 2009/6/20 Chandu2chill <nanna_id2006@ > Dear Renu Ji,I am also expressing my views and hope our Democratic Moderators will approve my message...i also know this is Astrology forum and i am a member of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for People like you, i feel strongly that, you must be educated on the practicalities of Current day affairs especially in Relationship read as Husband and Wife. Kindly note: i do not have anything against you personally, i am against your strong lopesided views and blind beliefs against Men. Refer your below comments...i have a great respect for you as a Woman first and then an active learned member of our AIA forum. You quote://Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree :)// UnquoteLet me start with what our Ancient scriputres say about Women1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said:It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle, and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 45.29 2. Sita said:In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor mother nor their female companions serve as an asylum here or hereafter. The husband alone is their refuge at all times. Valmiki Ramayana Ayodhya Kanda, 27.6 3. " Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " Rig Veda 8.33.174. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX 5.. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said:Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour. Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false. In the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XIX6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita: " A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state by serving her lord (husband) " . Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B Now as per my personal views by all these above statements/facts Our Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and didn't mean they are weak or infirior to Men on the contrary they gave Highest value, freedom and respect to the women folk then. And They new very well that WOMAN by itself a Shakti (Power). Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and women organaisation( s) using above statements to Instigate other Women and making them Rebel against thier own family read as Husband/Male. ..Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy and to be distroyed itself) by Women only... Thank youChandu2Chill ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " renunw wrote: Dear Kursija ji,Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least competent to judge a person from his birth chart. I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this is an astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the sense...may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriages have ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you. A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death.That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my case. I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a difficult wife. blessings,Renu Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PMDear Sreeram ji,//Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies toher husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me onthis.....)//Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily likethis...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clapwith one hand...blessings,Renu ICC World Twenty20 England '09 exclusively on ! CRICKET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Dear Chandu2chill ji, Please do chill....and let me add the following by George Bernard Shaw in his famous work Pygmalion [My Fair Lady] to your list of quotations.. //Women are irrational, that's all there is to that! Their heads are full of cotton, hay, and rags. They're nothing but exasperating, irritating, vacillating, calculating, agitating, maddening and infuriating hags! // Happy? I am not least angry with you..on the contrary...I enjoyed your mail. blessings,Renu , "Chandu2chill" <nanna_id2006 wrote:>> > Dear Renu Ji,> > I am also expressing my views and hope our Democratic Moderators will approve my message...i also know this is Astrology forum and i am a member of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for People like you, i feel strongly that, you must be educated on the practicalities of Current day affairs especially in Relationship read as Husband and Wife. Kindly note: i do not have anything against you personally, i am against your strong lopesided views and blind beliefs against Men. Refer your below comments...i have a great respect for you as a Woman first and then an active learned member of our AIA forum.> > You quote:> > //Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree :)//> > Unquote> > Let me start with what our Ancient scriputres say about Women> > 1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said:> It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle, and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 45.29> > 2. Sita said:> In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor mother nor their female companions serve as an asylum here or hereafter. The husband alone is their refuge at all times. Valmiki Ramayana Ayodhya Kanda, 27.6> > 3. "Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " Rig Veda 8.33.17> > 4. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX> > 5. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said:> Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour. Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false. In the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XIX> > 6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita:> "A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state by serving her lord (husband)". Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B> > Now as per my personal views by all these above statements/facts Our Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and didn't mean they are weak or infirior to Men on the contrary they gave Highest value, freedom and respect to the women folk then. And They new very well that WOMAN by itself a Shakti (Power). > > Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and women organaisation(s) using above statements to Instigate other Women and making them Rebel against thier own family read as Husband/Male...> > Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy and to be distroyed itself) by Women only...> > Thank you> > Chandu2Chill> > > , "renunw" renunw@ wrote:> > > Dear Kursija ji,> > Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least competent to judge a person from his birth chart. > > I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this is an astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree > > Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the sense...may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriages have ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you.> > A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death.> > That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my case.> > I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a difficult wife.> > blessings,> > Renu> > Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM> Dear Sreeram ji,> > //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to> her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on> this.....)//> > Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is> one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like> this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap> with one hand...> > blessings,> > Renu > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Dear all, Women - whether one may understand them or not, whatever adjectives one may attribute to them, but let me be honest, I do enjoy women around me, and without a woman factor around me, would feel empty in Life, be whomeever she may be, wife, sister, daughter, Mother,or just anybody. Man would always feel incomplete without women ( I am talking about normal men, and not abnormals, Yogis, saints etc). Without her we would not be. She is both a boon, she is a bane too. She is the calm, she is the fire too. She is the loving bosom, she is the scornful glance too. We can write hundreds of books on women but still when it comes to practise, one may not be even able to understand his own wife completely after staying 50 years with her. Actually one may percieve women sometimes as loving, and sometimes as spiteful. Not only this, but the same women may sometimes behave lovingly and sometimes with disdain. We normally attract love and hatred as per the laws of nature which we are bound to, being connected to this Mayavic Earth and resultant results of our Karmas, and cannot actually blame women at all times for the miserable lot we may be into. If given a choice I would go back to the first day of marriage and change many a lot defects in my nature and become a better, loving responsible husband. anyways...wishes are wishes. Bhaskar. , " renunw " <renunw wrote: > > Dear Chandu2chill ji, > > Please do chill....and let me add the following by George Bernard Shaw > in his famous work Pygmalion [My Fair Lady] to your list of quotations.. > > //Women are irrational, that's all there is to that! Their heads are > full of cotton, hay, and rags. They're nothing but exasperating, > irritating, vacillating, calculating, agitating, maddening and > infuriating hags! // > > Happy? > > I am not least angry with you..on the contrary...I enjoyed your mail. > > blessings, > > Renu > , " Chandu2chill " > nanna_id2006@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Renu Ji, > > > > I am also expressing my views and hope our Democratic Moderators will > approve my message...i also know this is Astrology forum and i am a > member of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for People like you, i feel > strongly that, you must be educated on the practicalities of Current day > affairs especially in Relationship read as Husband and Wife. Kindly > note: i do not have anything against you personally, i am against your > strong lopesided views and blind beliefs against Men. Refer your below > comments...i have a great respect for you as a Woman first and then an > active learned member of our AIA forum. > > > > You quote: > > > > //Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may > differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become a > tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the > husband is the cause. You may not agree :)// > > > > Unquote > > > > Let me start with what our Ancient scriputres say about Women > > > > 1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said: > > It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle, > and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana > Aranya Kanda, 45.29 > > > > 2. Sita said: > > In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor > mother nor their female companions serve as an asylum here or hereafter. > The husband alone is their refuge at all times. Valmiki Ramayana > Ayodhya Kanda, 27.6 > > > > 3. " Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be > disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " Rig Veda 8.33.17 > > > > 4. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a > lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX > > > > 5. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said: > > Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour. > Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false. In > the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata > Anusasana Parva, Section XIX > > > > 6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita: > > " A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state by > serving her lord (husband) " . Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B > > > > Now as per my personal views by all these above statements/facts Our > Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and didn't mean they are > weak or infirior to Men on the contrary they gave Highest value, freedom > and respect to the women folk then. And They new very well that WOMAN by > itself a Shakti (Power). > > > > Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and women organaisation(s) > using above statements to Instigate other Women and making them Rebel > against thier own family read as Husband/Male... > > > > Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy and to be distroyed > itself) by Women only... > > > > Thank you > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > , " renunw " renunw@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kursija ji, > > > > Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least competent > to judge a person from his birth chart. > > > > I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this is an > astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. > Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife > may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am > sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree > > > > Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for > sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the > sense...may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not > allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one > case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriages have > ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you. > > > > A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his > first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a > high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death. > > > > That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house > behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my > case. > > > > I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my > genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would > like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a > difficult wife. > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM > > Dear Sreeram ji, > > > > //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to > > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on > > this.....)// > > > > Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is > > one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like > > this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap > > with one hand... > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Dearest MS Bohra ji, Kahan ho Bhai ? Dekhiye itna khubsoorat mail likha hain Bhagwaan ki khubsoorat creation par. Aap bhi comment kariye na. Dear Bohra ji, I punished myself for being hard on you, and did not write here since last week or so. But it seems that you too have not written any mail here. Bhai kaise chalega yeh sab. Our disagreement is over and we must now get back together like good old friends in our school. If you dont come back, I will resign from this school and go to Pakistan and join a school there, I am telling you before hand only, and all sin you will have to bear for my changing school. How will you enjoy me leaving this school, or I feel comfortable without you around. I know you were a chubby classmate and I may not be chubby but still lovable, when not angry, dont you agree ? Awaiting you classmate, Bhaskar. , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear all, > > Women - whether one may understand them or not, whatever adjectives one > may attribute to them, but let me be honest, I do enjoy women around me, > and without a woman factor around me, would feel empty in Life, be > whomeever she may be, wife, sister, daughter, Mother,or just anybody. > > Man would always feel incomplete without women ( I am talking about > normal men, and not abnormals, Yogis, saints etc). > > Without her we would not be. > > She is both a boon, she is a bane too. > > She is the calm, she is the fire too. > > She is the loving bosom, she is the scornful glance too. > > We can write hundreds of books on women but still when it comes to > practise, one may not be even able to understand his own wife completely > after staying 50 years with her. > > Actually one may percieve women sometimes as loving, and sometimes as > spiteful. Not only this, but the same women may sometimes behave > lovingly and sometimes with disdain. We normally attract love and hatred > as per the laws of nature which we are bound to, being connected to this > Mayavic Earth and resultant results of our Karmas, and cannot actually > blame women at all times for the miserable lot we may be into. > > If given a choice I would go back to the first day of marriage and > change many a lot defects in my nature and become a better, loving > responsible husband. > > anyways...wishes are wishes. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " renunw " renunw@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Chandu2chill ji, > > > > Please do chill....and let me add the following by George Bernard Shaw > > in his famous work Pygmalion [My Fair Lady] to your list of > quotations.. > > > > //Women are irrational, that's all there is to that! Their heads are > > full of cotton, hay, and rags. They're nothing but exasperating, > > irritating, vacillating, calculating, agitating, maddening and > > infuriating hags! // > > > > Happy? > > > > I am not least angry with you..on the contrary...I enjoyed your mail. > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > , " Chandu2chill " > > nanna_id2006@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu Ji, > > > > > > I am also expressing my views and hope our Democratic Moderators > will > > approve my message...i also know this is Astrology forum and i am a > > member of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for People like you, i feel > > strongly that, you must be educated on the practicalities of Current > day > > affairs especially in Relationship read as Husband and Wife. Kindly > > note: i do not have anything against you personally, i am against your > > strong lopesided views and blind beliefs against Men. Refer your below > > comments...i have a great respect for you as a Woman first and then an > > active learned member of our AIA forum. > > > > > > You quote: > > > > > > //Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may > > differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become > a > > tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the > > husband is the cause. You may not agree :)// > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > Let me start with what our Ancient scriputres say about Women > > > > > > 1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said: > > > It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle, > > and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana > > Aranya Kanda, 45.29 > > > > > > 2. Sita said: > > > In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor > > mother nor their female companions serve as an asylum here or > hereafter. > > The husband alone is their refuge at all times. Valmiki Ramayana > > Ayodhya Kanda, 27.6 > > > > > > 3. " Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be > > disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " Rig Veda 8.33.17 > > > > > > 4. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a > > lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX > > > > > > 5. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said: > > > Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour. > > Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false. > In > > the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata > > Anusasana Parva, Section XIX > > > > > > 6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita: > > > " A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state > by > > serving her lord (husband) " . Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B > > > > > > Now as per my personal views by all these above statements/facts Our > > Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and didn't mean they are > > weak or infirior to Men on the contrary they gave Highest value, > freedom > > and respect to the women folk then. And They new very well that WOMAN > by > > itself a Shakti (Power). > > > > > > Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and women organaisation(s) > > using above statements to Instigate other Women and making them Rebel > > against thier own family read as Husband/Male... > > > > > > Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy and to be distroyed > > itself) by Women only... > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " renunw@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Kursija ji, > > > > > > Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least > competent > > to judge a person from his birth chart. > > > > > > I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this is > an > > astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a > man. > > Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife > > may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I > am > > sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree > > > > > > Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for > > sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the > > sense...may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not > > allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one > > case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriages > have > > ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you. > > > > > > A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his > > first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a > > high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death. > > > > > > That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house > > behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my > > case. > > > > > > I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my > > genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would > > like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a > > difficult wife. > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM > > > Dear Sreeram ji, > > > > > > //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to > > > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on > > > this.....)// > > > > > > Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is > > > one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like > > > this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap > > > with one hand... > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Our ( Men ) judging a woman is flawed bacuse the "wo"- man factor comes in between. Thus tarnished we cannot make judgement. Therefore seduced by a poisonous viper who would have been swated, crushed and killed in normal circumstances - we pause due to the gender. Mangal maybe or Saturn + Mangal or Rahu + Sukra. To (try) to understand what really is the reason for that implausible behaviour, Remove the wo / man from either side to understand and evaluate properly.For that you need clarity - Guru, detachment - Ketu/ Sani, and some quick accounting - Sun & Budha. Then you will understand why you live with that person who - spends the hard earned cash with a vengance in shopping for yet another useless thing, why you still want to live with a person who will not wear a dress just because someone else has it too etc... etc... Q Is it important to have Sun in friendly signs in Navmasa chart of both the people involved ? Looks like we give lot of importance to Sukra, Mangal etc. Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Sat, 20/6/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Mangal dosha_3_Debilitated Planets Date: Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 4:37 PM Dear all,Women - whether one may understand them or not, whatever adjectives onemay attribute to them, but let me be honest, I do enjoy women around me,and without a woman factor around me, would feel empty in Life, bewhomeever she may be, wife, sister, daughter, Mother,or just anybody.Man would always feel incomplete without women ( I am talking aboutnormal men, and not abnormals, Yogis, saints etc).Without her we would not be.She is both a boon, she is a bane too.She is the calm, she is the fire too.She is the loving bosom, she is the scornful glance too.We can write hundreds of books on women but still when it comes topractise, one may not be even able to understand his own wife completelyafter staying 50 years with her.Actually one may percieve women sometimes as loving, and sometimes asspiteful. Not only this, but the same women may sometimes behavelovingly and sometimes with disdain. We normally attract love and hatredas per the laws of nature which we are bound to, being connected to thisMayavic Earth and resultant results of our Karmas, and cannot actuallyblame women at all times for the miserable lot we may be into.If given a choice I would go back to the first day of marriage andchange many a lot defects in my nature and become a better, lovingresponsible husband.anyways...wishes are wishes.Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" <renunwwrote:>> Dear Chandu2chill ji,>> Please do chill....and let me add the following by George Bernard Shaw> in his famous work Pygmalion [My Fair Lady] to your list ofquotations..>> //Women are irrational, that's all there is to that! Their heads are> full of cotton, hay, and rags. They're nothing but exasperating,> irritating, vacillating, calculating, agitating, maddening and> infuriating hags! //>> Happy?>> I am not least angry with you...on the contrary...I enjoyed your mail.>> blessings,>> Renu> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Chandu2chill"> nanna_id2006@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Renu Ji,> >> > I am also expressing my views and hope our Democratic Moderatorswill> approve my message...i also know this is Astrology forum and i am a> member of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for People like you, i feel> strongly that, you must be educated on the practicalities of Currentday> affairs especially in Relationship read as Husband and Wife. Kindly> note: i do not have anything against you personally, i am against your> strong lopesided views and blind beliefs against Men. Refer your below> comments...i have a great respect for you as a Woman first and then an> active learned member of our AIA forum.> >> > You quote:> >> > //Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may> differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may becomea> tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the> husband is the cause. You may not agree :)//> >> > Unquote> >> > Let me start with what our Ancient scriputres say about Women> >> > 1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said:> > It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle,> and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana> Aranya Kanda, 45.29> >> > 2. Sita said:> > In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor> mother nor their female companions serve as an asylum here orhereafter.> The husband alone is their refuge at all times. Valmiki Ramayana> Ayodhya Kanda, 27.6> >> > 3. "Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be> disciplined; she has very little intelligence. ' " Rig Veda 8.33.17> >> > 4. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a> lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX> >> > 5. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said:> > Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour.> Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false.In> the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata> Anusasana Parva, Section XIX> >> > 6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita:> > "A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy stateby> serving her lord (husband)". Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B> >> > Now as per my personal views by all these above statements/facts Our> Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and didn't mean they are> weak or infirior to Men on the contrary they gave Highest value,freedom> and respect to the women folk then. And They new very well that WOMANby> itself a Shakti (Power).> >> > Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and women organaisation( s)> using above statements to Instigate other Women and making them Rebel> against thier own family read as Husband/Male. ..> >> > Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy and to be distroyed> itself) by Women only...> >> > Thank you> >> > Chandu2Chill> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> >> > Dear Kursija ji,> >> > Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not leastcompetent> to judge a person from his birth chart.> >> > I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this isan> astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by aman.> Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife> may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, Iam> sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree > >> > Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for> sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the> sense...may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not> allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one> case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriageshave> ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you.> >> > A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his> first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a> high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death..> >> > That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house> behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my> case.> >> > I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my> genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would> like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a> difficult wife..> >> > blessings,> >> > Renu> >> > Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM> > Dear Sreeram ji,> >> > //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to> > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on> > this.....)//> >> > Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is> > one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like> > this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap> > with one hand...> >> > blessings,> >> > Renu> >> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Respected Neelam Ji, I will reply to your well balanced response to my post later... Just a quick thought and question.. //Its not Chandu ji's fault. We always pick up what suits us and what our circumstances lead us to!:-)// If we pick and choose according to the circumstances, then what is the role of Destiny here? OR is it a Destiny itself? One live example- A Well qualified Doctor from India went to Canada and became a Waiter is the cercumstance made him to choose the Waiter Job Or it is his destiny...?? Pls enlighten me and have a laugh also for my foolish question no problem!!:-) with regards and respect Chandu2Chill , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > Its not Chandu ji's fault. We always pick up what suits us and what our > circumstances lead us to!:-) > > Regards > Neelam > > > > > > 2009/6/20 chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv > > > > > > > Chanduji, > > > > Whatever you may be trying to say - even if it is valid or not - this was a > > tactless mail. > > Picking up few words without R 2 C ( reference to context ) is not > > helpfull. > > Please await a barrage of mails for & against your posting. As it is the > > discussions r going slow or nowhere. > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On *Sat, 20/6/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07* wrote: > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > > Re: Re: Mangal dosha_3_Debilitated > > Planets > > > > Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 2:05 PM > > > > > > Dear Chandu2chill ji, > > > > I was a bit busy with some work, but your message was rather amusing and > > nice! Couldn't help responding to it. > > > > I think we all speak from own experiences and our sample size remains very > > small to say anything with conviction. Renu ji talks from her own experience > > and you'd talk from your own. But there are all shades and hues in the > > garden. > > > > Man-woman duo makes the existence complete with Shiva and Shakti residing > > in them separately, yet both reside in each one of them unitedly. There is a > > bit of a man in every woman and woman in every man. I hope each one of us > > strikes and balance and use this shiva-shakti for the purpose it is given to > > us and not for shattering and brusing each other. > > > > A woman cannot deny the role of procreation and nurturing that nature has > > given to her and she must do it to the best of her ability, even if it > > requires great sacrifices and man's role has been to PROVIDE for her, which > > he must at any cost. Of course modern times are challenging and we have > > souls of both types who are sometimes unbale to perform (sickness), or do > > not perform for various reasons. They should be treated as sick units! > > > > Instead of Gender-biasness, I always advocate gender-friendliness . This > > can be done, not by being judemental about each other, but by walking > > hand-in-hand and being positive about each other. > > God has made no one perfect, yet each one of us is perfect in some way! > > > > Thanks for the good post, though it may flare up some more debate. But I > > enjoyed it! Women should learn to laugh at themselves and uproot insecurity > > from their system. > > May be I don't think like a woman (someone said in the other group that I > > was a so-called woman), but I agree with Chandu ji that a woman is her own > > enemy. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2009/6/20 Chandu2chill <nanna_id2006@ <http://in.mc946.mail./mc/compose?to=nanna_id2006 > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> Dear Renu Ji, > >> > >> I am also expressing my views and hope our Democratic Moderators will > >> approve my message...i also know this is Astrology forum and i am a member > >> of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for People like you, i feel strongly > >> that, you must be educated on the practicalities of Current day affairs > >> especially in Relationship read as Husband and Wife. Kindly note: i do not > >> have anything against you personally, i am against your strong lopesided > >> views and blind beliefs against Men. Refer your below comments...i have a > >> great respect for you as a Woman first and then an active learned member of > >> our AIA forum. > >> > >> You quote: > >> > >> //Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may > >> differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become a > >> tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the husband > >> is the cause. You may not agree :)// > >> > >> Unquote > >> > >> Let me start with what our Ancient scriputres say about Women > >> > >> 1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said: > >> It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle, and > >> sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana Aranya Kanda, > >> 45.29 > >> > >> 2. Sita said: > >> In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor mother > >> nor their female companions serve as an asylum here or hereafter. The > >> husband alone is their refuge at all times. Valmiki Ramayana Ayodhya Kanda, > >> 27.6 > >> > >> 3. " Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; > >> she has very little intelligence.' " Rig Veda 8.33.17 > >> > >> 4. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a lie. > >> The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX > >> > >> 5.. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said: > >> Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour. Women > >> in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false. In the very > >> Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, > >> Section XIX > >> > >> 6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita: > >> " A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state by > >> serving her lord (husband) " . Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B > >> > >> Now as per my personal views by all these above statements/facts Our > >> Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and didn't mean they are weak or > >> infirior to Men on the contrary they gave Highest value, freedom and respect > >> to the women folk then. And They new very well that WOMAN by itself a Shakti > >> (Power). > >> > >> Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and women organaisation( s) using > >> above statements to Instigate other Women and making them Rebel against > >> thier own family read as Husband/Male. .. > >> > >> Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy and to be distroyed itself) > >> by Women only... > >> > >> Thank you > >> > >> Chandu2Chill > >> > >> > >> ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<http://in.mc946.mail./mc/compose?to=%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > >> " renunw " renunw@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Kursija ji, > >> > >> Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least competent to > >> judge a person from his birth chart. > >> > >> I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this is an > >> astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. > >> Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may > >> become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the > >> husband is the cause. You may not agree > >> > >> Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for sure. > >> Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the sense...may > >> be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not allow them to > >> understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one case...but I've noticed > >> this in quite a few couples where marriages have ended. Unfortunately I > >> don't have birth data to give you. > >> > >> A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his first > >> wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a high flier in > >> the political field and finally had a tragic death. > >> > >> That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house behaves in > >> this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my case. > >> > >> I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my genuine > >> concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would like to learn > >> from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a difficult wife. > >> > >> blessings, > >> > >> Renu > >> > >> Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM > >> Dear Sreeram ji, > >> > >> //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to > >> her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on > >> this.....)// > >> > >> Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is > >> one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like > >> this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap > >> with one hand... > >> > >> blessings, > >> > >> Renu > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > ICC World Twenty20 England '09 exclusively on ! 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Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Dear Sreeram ji, I have nothing against the conclusions about this lady you stated, after scrutinizing her chart astrologically. In fact I am truly glad that I could learn much from this. Let me remind your words again.... ////Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on this.....)//... I said this was a biased statement. I love your wit and humour..but not at the expense of a battered woman. I don't think it is necessary to drag on this anymore...I appreciate your explanations:) blessings, Renu , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Namaste Ms. Renu ji, > > My statements are always based on the planetary analysis..... I follow > the Parashara principles given to be followed by a true astrologer....so > I keep my gender aside, when making astro_statements..... > > Refer my analysis given to Mr. Kursija in my previous mail, where I have > given elaborate analysis of the lady's horoscope. First one need to > know what are the effects of the debilitated planets - this is what is > missed by Mr. Kursija in his complete analysis. 3 deb. planets. > Debilitated planets give bad effects of what ?? > > 1) The house or bhava they are placed ? or > > 2) The house or bhava they aspect ? or > > 3) The Houses or bhava they own ?? or > > 4) All of the above ?? > > Unless one has the clarity on above...any amount of analysis one does, > it would lead to incorrect analysis. > > As per Mr. Kursija - the aspect of a malefic on Mars intensifies Kuja or > Mars or Mangal effect. We are saying Saturn aspect / conjunction on > Mars reduces it. Both are correct, but they have their own set of ifs > and buts. The experienced astrologers need to delve and draw the > differences and the border lines, where & when the intensity of a planet > mellows. > > In a famous astrology magazine - there is commentary on a classical > dictum - Mars in..... is a male prostitute.... and a lengthly commentary > follows it. Myself and Mr. Sunil Nair discussed between ourselves.... > Mr. Sunil Nair took the horrorscope of Lord Rama of Ramayana....who had > Mars in the same place as mentioned in that great article....... > > NOT convinced.....I will give details of the article.... you can verify > for yourself...... > > Such is the quality of article publishers, when queried with a counter > cannon ball point..... the quick reply....I do not know...he wrote ..we > published..... > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Thanks Bhaskar ji...an honest 'man' is indeed an asset to a woman's life. On behalf of women.... blessings, Renu , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear all, > > Women - whether one may understand them or not, whatever adjectives one > may attribute to them, but let me be honest, I do enjoy women around me, > and without a woman factor around me, would feel empty in Life, be > whomeever she may be, wife, sister, daughter, Mother,or just anybody. > > Man would always feel incomplete without women ( I am talking about > normal men, and not abnormals, Yogis, saints etc). > > Without her we would not be. > > She is both a boon, she is a bane too. > > She is the calm, she is the fire too. > > She is the loving bosom, she is the scornful glance too. > > We can write hundreds of books on women but still when it comes to > practise, one may not be even able to understand his own wife completely > after staying 50 years with her. > > Actually one may percieve women sometimes as loving, and sometimes as > spiteful. Not only this, but the same women may sometimes behave > lovingly and sometimes with disdain. We normally attract love and hatred > as per the laws of nature which we are bound to, being connected to this > Mayavic Earth and resultant results of our Karmas, and cannot actually > blame women at all times for the miserable lot we may be into. > > If given a choice I would go back to the first day of marriage and > change many a lot defects in my nature and become a better, loving > responsible husband. > > anyways...wishes are wishes. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Chandu2chill ji, > > > > Please do chill....and let me add the following by George Bernard Shaw > > in his famous work Pygmalion [My Fair Lady] to your list of > quotations.. > > > > //Women are irrational, that's all there is to that! Their heads are > > full of cotton, hay, and rags. They're nothing but exasperating, > > irritating, vacillating, calculating, agitating, maddening and > > infuriating hags! // > > > > Happy? > > > > I am not least angry with you..on the contrary...I enjoyed your mail. > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > , " Chandu2chill " > > nanna_id2006@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu Ji, > > > > > > I am also expressing my views and hope our Democratic Moderators > will > > approve my message...i also know this is Astrology forum and i am a > > member of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for People like you, i feel > > strongly that, you must be educated on the practicalities of Current > day > > affairs especially in Relationship read as Husband and Wife. Kindly > > note: i do not have anything against you personally, i am against your > > strong lopesided views and blind beliefs against Men. Refer your below > > comments...i have a great respect for you as a Woman first and then an > > active learned member of our AIA forum. > > > > > > You quote: > > > > > > //Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may > > differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become > a > > tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the > > husband is the cause. You may not agree :)// > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > Let me start with what our Ancient scriputres say about Women > > > > > > 1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said: > > > It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle, > > and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana > > Aranya Kanda, 45.29 > > > > > > 2. Sita said: > > > In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor > > mother nor their female companions serve as an asylum here or > hereafter. > > The husband alone is their refuge at all times. Valmiki Ramayana > > Ayodhya Kanda, 27.6 > > > > > > 3. " Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be > > disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " Rig Veda 8.33.17 > > > > > > 4. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a > > lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX > > > > > > 5. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said: > > > Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour. > > Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false. > In > > the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata > > Anusasana Parva, Section XIX > > > > > > 6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita: > > > " A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state > by > > serving her lord (husband) " . Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B > > > > > > Now as per my personal views by all these above statements/facts Our > > Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and didn't mean they are > > weak or infirior to Men on the contrary they gave Highest value, > freedom > > and respect to the women folk then. And They new very well that WOMAN > by > > itself a Shakti (Power). > > > > > > Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and women organaisation(s) > > using above statements to Instigate other Women and making them Rebel > > against thier own family read as Husband/Male... > > > > > > Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy and to be distroyed > > itself) by Women only... > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " renunw@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Kursija ji, > > > > > > Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least > competent > > to judge a person from his birth chart. > > > > > > I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this is > an > > astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a > man. > > Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife > > may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I > am > > sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree > > > > > > Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for > > sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the > > sense...may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not > > allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one > > case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriages > have > > ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you. > > > > > > A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his > > first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a > > high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death. > > > > > > That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house > > behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my > > case. > > > > > > I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my > > genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would > > like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a > > difficult wife. > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM > > > Dear Sreeram ji, > > > > > > //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to > > > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on > > > this.....)// > > > > > > Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is > > > one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like > > > this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap > > > with one hand... > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Dear Chanduchill ji,Let us not go out of context. What I meant was in the context of picking up selective REFERENCES which are applicable to our circumstances. Just that, nothing more nothing less.:-)We may close this thread now, perhaps we're venturing into a delicate area which has nothing to do with astrology, our common group agenda. RegardsNeelam2009/6/20 Chandu2chill <nanna_id2006 Respected Neelam Ji, I will reply to your well balanced response to my post later... Just a quick thought and question.. //Its not Chandu ji's fault. We always pick up what suits us and what our circumstances lead us to!:-)// If we pick and choose according to the circumstances, then what is the role of Destiny here? OR is it a Destiny itself? One live example- A Well qualified Doctor from India went to Canada and became a Waiter is the cercumstance made him to choose the Waiter Job Or it is his destiny...?? Pls enlighten me and have a laugh also for my foolish question no problem!!:-) with regards and respect Chandu2Chill , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > Its not Chandu ji's fault. We always pick up what suits us and what our > circumstances lead us to!:-) > > Regards > Neelam > > > > > > 2009/6/20 chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv > > > > > > > Chanduji, > > > > Whatever you may be trying to say - even if it is valid or not - this was a > > tactless mail. > > Picking up few words without R 2 C ( reference to context ) is not > > helpfull. > > Please await a barrage of mails for & against your posting. As it is the > > discussions r going slow or nowhere. > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On *Sat, 20/6/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07* wrote: > > > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > > Re: Re: Mangal dosha_3_Debilitated > > Planets > > > > Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 2:05 PM > > > > > > Dear Chandu2chill ji, > > > > I was a bit busy with some work, but your message was rather amusing and > > nice! Couldn't help responding to it. > > > > I think we all speak from own experiences and our sample size remains very > > small to say anything with conviction. Renu ji talks from her own experience > > and you'd talk from your own. But there are all shades and hues in the > > garden. > > > > Man-woman duo makes the existence complete with Shiva and Shakti residing > > in them separately, yet both reside in each one of them unitedly. There is a > > bit of a man in every woman and woman in every man. I hope each one of us > > strikes and balance and use this shiva-shakti for the purpose it is given to > > us and not for shattering and brusing each other. > > > > A woman cannot deny the role of procreation and nurturing that nature has > > given to her and she must do it to the best of her ability, even if it > > requires great sacrifices and man's role has been to PROVIDE for her, which > > he must at any cost. Of course modern times are challenging and we have > > souls of both types who are sometimes unbale to perform (sickness), or do > > not perform for various reasons. They should be treated as sick units! > > > > Instead of Gender-biasness, I always advocate gender-friendliness . This > > can be done, not by being judemental about each other, but by walking > > hand-in-hand and being positive about each other. > > God has made no one perfect, yet each one of us is perfect in some way! > > > > Thanks for the good post, though it may flare up some more debate. But I > > enjoyed it! Women should learn to laugh at themselves and uproot insecurity > > from their system. > > May be I don't think like a woman (someone said in the other group that I > > was a so-called woman), but I agree with Chandu ji that a woman is her own > > enemy. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2009/6/20 Chandu2chill <nanna_id2006@ <http://in.mc946.mail./mc/compose?to=nanna_id2006 > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> Dear Renu Ji, > >> > >> I am also expressing my views and hope our Democratic Moderators will > >> approve my message...i also know this is Astrology forum and i am a member > >> of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for People like you, i feel strongly > >> that, you must be educated on the practicalities of Current day affairs > >> especially in Relationship read as Husband and Wife. Kindly note: i do not > >> have anything against you personally, i am against your strong lopesided > >> views and blind beliefs against Men. Refer your below comments...i have a > >> great respect for you as a Woman first and then an active learned member of > >> our AIA forum. > >> > >> You quote: > >> > >> //Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may > >> differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become a > >> tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the husband > >> is the cause. You may not agree :)// > >> > >> Unquote > >> > >> Let me start with what our Ancient scriputres say about Women > >> > >> 1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said: > >> It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle, and > >> sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana Aranya Kanda, > >> 45.29 > >> > >> 2. Sita said: > >> In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor mother > >> nor their female companions serve as an asylum here or hereafter. The > >> husband alone is their refuge at all times. Valmiki Ramayana Ayodhya Kanda, > >> 27.6 > >> > >> 3. " Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be disciplined; > >> she has very little intelligence.' " Rig Veda 8.33.17 > >> > >> 4. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a lie. > >> The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX > >> > >> 5.. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said: > >> Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour. Women > >> in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false. In the very > >> Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, > >> Section XIX > >> > >> 6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita: > >> " A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state by > >> serving her lord (husband) " . Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B > >> > >> Now as per my personal views by all these above statements/facts Our > >> Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and didn't mean they are weak or > >> infirior to Men on the contrary they gave Highest value, freedom and respect > >> to the women folk then. And They new very well that WOMAN by itself a Shakti > >> (Power). > >> > >> Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and women organaisation( s) using > >> above statements to Instigate other Women and making them Rebel against > >> thier own family read as Husband/Male. .. > >> > >> Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy and to be distroyed itself) > >> by Women only... > >> > >> Thank you > >> > >> Chandu2Chill > >> > >> > >> ancient_indian_ astrology<http://in.mc946.mail./mc/compose?to=%40>, > >> " renunw " renunw@> wrote: > >> > >> Dear Kursija ji, > >> > >> Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least competent to > >> judge a person from his birth chart. > >> > >> I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this is an > >> astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. > >> Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may > >> become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the > >> husband is the cause. You may not agree > >> > >> Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for sure. > >> Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the sense...may > >> be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not allow them to > >> understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one case...but I've noticed > >> this in quite a few couples where marriages have ended. Unfortunately I > >> don't have birth data to give you. > >> > >> A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his first > >> wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a high flier in > >> the political field and finally had a tragic death. > >> > >> That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house behaves in > >> this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my case. > >> > >> I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my genuine > >> concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would like to learn > >> from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a difficult wife. > >> > >> blessings, > >> > >> Renu > >> > >> Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM > >> Dear Sreeram ji, > >> > >> //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to > >> her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on > >> this.....)// > >> > >> Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is > >> one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like > >> this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap > >> with one hand... > >> > >> blessings, > >> > >> Renu > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > ICC World Twenty20 England '09 exclusively on ! 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Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Dear Chiranjiv ji, Without the aggression of Mars, one cannot make Love. Without the Fire of Sun one cannot fall in Love. Without the sustaining power of Saturn one cannot continue loving. Without the mental mould given by the Moona and the dscriminating facility provided by the Dual Planet Mercury one cannot decide whom to love and whom not to, though one may fall in Love with many. Without Venus sparkling one cannot see the beauty of Love and without the benevolence provided by Jupiter one cannot expand his Love. All planets contribute to one Loving his/her mate. All planets also contribute as instruments to creating differences and strife in married Lives as per ones individual karms due to which he begets Love or hate or Heart breaks from different good or evil women in his journey of Life at various phases of his Life on various occasions. If we talk about husband and wife, one has to after a certain age, evolve himself/herself over and above the influence of the planets, so as to become a lofty person and remain affectionate with the aprtner given to him by destiny. Is this not what astrology is all about ? Why is the wife/husband always denoted by the 7th or the detriment house ? Because we are supposed to cross this barrier if opposition and become " Sama " in order to proceed towards the higher planes of our existence, physical or spiritual. A person who is involved in this stage with his wife " Saath mein raha bhi nahin jaata, uske bina jiya bhi nahin jaata " is actually moving one step forward, because a time will come when he would realise the importance of his/her partner after which there would be no grudges or compalints in the equation iof the relationship. For those who have crossed the age of 40/50/60 but still not started loving their wives, must just take a photo of the wife at the time of the marriage, and take another photo which is very much recent. See the changes in the photos. See the wrinkles in the recent photo. All complaints would evaporate in a moment, no grudges would remain, coz one willr emember how much his partner has done for him all his Life, and the state which is there today of his wife physically would remind him of how much she could have been given more of comfort,pleasures and luxuries which was all missed by her, due to the incompetency or not so great capacity levels of the husband in all spheres. A wife is a wife, good or bad, she is a complete mirror and a single compendium provided by the Lord who will give you all the Love of a friend, mother, sister, daughter , alas only if we come up to the levels to gain these. A bad or evil wife is due to our mistakes of the present or past Life, which now come up as a wife and her behaviours. In the ultimate count (Which phrase I like to repeat always), whatever comes to us, is what are the results of the seeds we have sown somewhere, some or the other time in this or the past Lives. best wishes, Bhaskar. , chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote: > > Our ( Men ) judging a woman is flawed bacuse the " wo " - man factor comes in between. > Thus tarnished we cannot make judgement. Therefore seduced by a poisonous viper who would have been swated, crushed and killed in normal circumstances - we pause due to the gender. Mangal maybe or Saturn + Mangal or Rahu + Sukra. > To (try) to understand what really is the reason for that implausible behaviour, Remove the wo / man from either side to understand and evaluate properly. > For that you need clarity - Guru, detachment - Ketu/ Sani, and some quick accounting - Sun & Budha. > Then you will understand why you live with that person who - spends the hard earned cash with a vengance in shopping for yet another useless thing, why you still want to live with a person who will not wear a dress just because someone else has it too etc... etc... > > Q Is it important to have Sun in friendly signs in Navmasa chart of both the people involved ? > Looks like we give lot of importance to Sukra, Mangal etc. > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > --- On Sat, 20/6/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > Re: Mangal dosha_3_Debilitated Planets > > Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 4:37 PM > > > Dear all, > > Women - whether one may understand them or not, whatever adjectives one > may attribute to them, but let me be honest, I do enjoy women around me, > and without a woman factor around me, would feel empty in Life, be > whomeever she may be, wife, sister, daughter, Mother,or just anybody. > > Man would always feel incomplete without women ( I am talking about > normal men, and not abnormals, Yogis, saints etc). > > Without her we would not be. > > She is both a boon, she is a bane too. > > She is the calm, she is the fire too. > > She is the loving bosom, she is the scornful glance too. > > We can write hundreds of books on women but still when it comes to > practise, one may not be even able to understand his own wife completely > after staying 50 years with her. > > Actually one may percieve women sometimes as loving, and sometimes as > spiteful. Not only this, but the same women may sometimes behave > lovingly and sometimes with disdain. We normally attract love and hatred > as per the laws of nature which we are bound to, being connected to this > Mayavic Earth and resultant results of our Karmas, and cannot actually > blame women at all times for the miserable lot we may be into. > > If given a choice I would go back to the first day of marriage and > change many a lot defects in my nature and become a better, loving > responsible husband. > > anyways...wishes are wishes. > > Bhaskar. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " renunw@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Chandu2chill ji, > > > > Please do chill....and let me add the following by George Bernard Shaw > > in his famous work Pygmalion [My Fair Lady] to your list of > quotations.. > > > > //Women are irrational, that's all there is to that! Their heads are > > full of cotton, hay, and rags. They're nothing but exasperating, > > irritating, vacillating, calculating, agitating, maddening and > > infuriating hags! // > > > > Happy? > > > > I am not least angry with you..on the contrary...I enjoyed your mail. > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Chandu2chill " > > nanna_id2006@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu Ji, > > > > > > I am also expressing my views and hope our Democratic Moderators > will > > approve my message...i also know this is Astrology forum and i am a > > member of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for People like you, i feel > > strongly that, you must be educated on the practicalities of Current > day > > affairs especially in Relationship read as Husband and Wife. Kindly > > note: i do not have anything against you personally, i am against your > > strong lopesided views and blind beliefs against Men. Refer your below > > comments...i have a great respect for you as a Woman first and then an > > active learned member of our AIA forum. > > > > > > You quote: > > > > > > //Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may > > differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become > a > > tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the > > husband is the cause. You may not agree :)// > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > Let me start with what our Ancient scriputres say about Women > > > > > > 1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said: > > > It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle, > > and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana > > Aranya Kanda, 45.29 > > > > > > 2. Sita said: > > > In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor > > mother nor their female companions serve as an asylum here or > hereafter. > > The husband alone is their refuge at all times. Valmiki Ramayana > > Ayodhya Kanda, 27.6 > > > > > > 3. " Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be > > disciplined; she has very little intelligence. ' " Rig Veda 8.33.17 > > > > > > 4. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a > > lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX > > > > > > 5. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said: > > > Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour. > > Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false. > In > > the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata > > Anusasana Parva, Section XIX > > > > > > 6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita: > > > " A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state > by > > serving her lord (husband) " . Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B > > > > > > Now as per my personal views by all these above statements/facts Our > > Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and didn't mean they are > > weak or infirior to Men on the contrary they gave Highest value, > freedom > > and respect to the women folk then. And They new very well that WOMAN > by > > itself a Shakti (Power). > > > > > > Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and women organaisation( s) > > using above statements to Instigate other Women and making them Rebel > > against thier own family read as Husband/Male. .. > > > > > > Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy and to be distroyed > > itself) by Women only... > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " renunw@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Kursija ji, > > > > > > Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least > competent > > to judge a person from his birth chart. > > > > > > I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this is > an > > astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a > man. > > Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife > > may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I > am > > sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree > > > > > > Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for > > sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the > > sense...may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not > > allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one > > case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriages > have > > ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you. > > > > > > A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his > > first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a > > high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death. > > > > > > That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house > > behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my > > case. > > > > > > I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my > > genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would > > like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a > > difficult wife. > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM > > > Dear Sreeram ji, > > > > > > //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to > > > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on > > > this.....)// > > > > > > Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is > > > one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like > > > this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap > > > with one hand... > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. 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Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 bahoot aachi bhat hai--- On Sat, 20/6/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Mangal dosha_3_Debilitated Planets Date: Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 4:37 PM Dear all,Women - whether one may understand them or not, whatever adjectives onemay attribute to them, but let me be honest, I do enjoy women around me,and without a woman factor around me, would feel empty in Life, bewhomeever she may be, wife, sister, daughter, Mother,or just anybody.Man would always feel incomplete without women ( I am talking aboutnormal men, and not abnormals, Yogis, saints etc).Without her we would not be.She is both a boon, she is a bane too.She is the calm, she is the fire too.She is the loving bosom, she is the scornful glance too.We can write hundreds of books on women but still when it comes topractise, one may not be even able to understand his own wife completelyafter staying 50 years with her.Actually one may percieve women sometimes as loving, and sometimes asspiteful. Not only this, but the same women may sometimes behavelovingly and sometimes with disdain. We normally attract love and hatredas per the laws of nature which we are bound to, being connected to thisMayavic Earth and resultant results of our Karmas, and cannot actuallyblame women at all times for the miserable lot we may be into.If given a choice I would go back to the first day of marriage andchange many a lot defects in my nature and become a better, lovingresponsible husband.anyways...wishes are wishes.Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" <renunwwrote:>> Dear Chandu2chill ji,>> Please do chill....and let me add the following by George Bernard Shaw> in his famous work Pygmalion [My Fair Lady] to your list ofquotations..>> //Women are irrational, that's all there is to that! Their heads are> full of cotton, hay, and rags. They're nothing but exasperating,> irritating, vacillating, calculating, agitating, maddening and> infuriating hags! //>> Happy?>> I am not least angry with you...on the contrary...I enjoyed your mail.>> blessings,>> Renu> ancient_indian_ astrology, "Chandu2chill"> nanna_id2006@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Renu Ji,> >> > I am also expressing my views and hope our Democratic Moderatorswill> approve my message...i also know this is Astrology forum and i am a> member of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for People like you, i feel> strongly that, you must be educated on the practicalities of Currentday> affairs especially in Relationship read as Husband and Wife. Kindly> note: i do not have anything against you personally, i am against your> strong lopesided views and blind beliefs against Men. Refer your below> comments...i have a great respect for you as a Woman first and then an> active learned member of our AIA forum.> >> > You quote:> >> > //Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may> differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may becomea> tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the> husband is the cause. You may not agree :)//> >> > Unquote> >> > Let me start with what our Ancient scriputres say about Women> >> > 1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said:> > It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle,> and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana> Aranya Kanda, 45.29> >> > 2. Sita said:> > In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor> mother nor their female companions serve as an asylum here orhereafter.> The husband alone is their refuge at all times. Valmiki Ramayana> Ayodhya Kanda, 27.6> >> > 3. "Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be> disciplined; she has very little intelligence. ' " Rig Veda 8.33.17> >> > 4. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a> lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX> >> > 5. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said:> > Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour.> Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false.In> the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata> Anusasana Parva, Section XIX> >> > 6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita:> > "A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy stateby> serving her lord (husband)". Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B> >> > Now as per my personal views by all these above statements/facts Our> Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and didn't mean they are> weak or infirior to Men on the contrary they gave Highest value,freedom> and respect to the women folk then. And They new very well that WOMANby> itself a Shakti (Power).> >> > Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and women organaisation( s)> using above statements to Instigate other Women and making them Rebel> against thier own family read as Husband/Male. ..> >> > Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy and to be distroyed> itself) by Women only...> >> > Thank you> >> > Chandu2Chill> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> >> > Dear Kursija ji,> >> > Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not leastcompetent> to judge a person from his birth chart.> >> > I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this isan> astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by aman.> Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife> may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, Iam> sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree > >> > Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for> sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the> sense...may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not> allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one> case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriageshave> ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you.> >> > A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his> first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a> high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death..> >> > That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house> behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my> case.> >> > I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my> genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would> like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a> difficult wife..> >> > blessings,> >> > Renu> >> > Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM> > Dear Sreeram ji,> >> > //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to> > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on> > this.....)//> >> > Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is> > one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like> > this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap> > with one hand...> >> > blessings,> >> > Renu> >> Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Respected Bhaskar Ji, I agree with you. Every planet contributes in development of love. But 7th is house of detriment in the upward journey of life. So it is said " Is laddoo ko jisane khaya vaha bee rota hai, jisane nahee khaya vaha bee rota hai. " But question is that Bhakti is also a sort of love toward Him. One with only Gyana can not achieve Him. In Kaliyuga where there are so many attractions and restrictions of Maya, with out surrender to Him, Bhakti,how can we advance in the journey of life? --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > Re: Mangal dosha_3_Debilitated Planets > > Saturday, June 20, 2009, 7:11 PM > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > Without the aggression of Mars, one cannot make Love. > Without the Fire > of Sun one cannot fall in Love. Without the sustaining > power of Saturn > one cannot continue loving. Without the mental mould given > by the Moona > and the dscriminating facility provided by the Dual Planet > Mercury one > cannot decide whom to love and whom not to, though one may > fall in Love > with many. Without Venus sparkling one cannot see the > beauty of Love and > without the benevolence provided by Jupiter one cannot > expand his Love. > > All planets contribute to one Loving his/her mate. All > planets also > contribute as instruments to creating differences and > strife in married > Lives as per ones individual karms due to which he begets > Love or hate > or Heart breaks from different good or evil women in his > journey of Life > at various phases of his Life on various occasions. > > If we talk about husband and wife, one has to after a > certain age, > evolve himself/herself over and above the influence of the > planets, so > as to become a lofty person and remain affectionate with > the aprtner > given to him by destiny. Is this not what astrology is all > about ? Why > is the wife/husband always denoted by the 7th or the > detriment house ? > Because we are supposed to cross this barrier if opposition > and become > " Sama " in order to proceed towards the higher planes of our > existence, > physical or spiritual. A person who is involved in this > stage with his > wife " Saath mein raha bhi nahin jaata, uske bina jiya bhi > nahin jaata " > is actually moving one step forward, because a time will > come when he > would realise the importance of his/her partner after which > there would > be no grudges or compalints in the equation iof the > relationship. > > For those who have crossed the age of 40/50/60 but > still not started > loving their wives, must just take a photo of the wife at > the time of > the marriage, and take another photo which is very much > recent. See the > changes in the photos. See the wrinkles in the recent > photo. All > complaints would evaporate in a moment, no grudges would > remain, coz one > willr emember how much his partner has done for him all his > Life, and > the state which is there today of his wife physically would > remind him > of how much she could have been given more of > comfort,pleasures and > luxuries which was all missed by her, due to the > incompetency or not so > great capacity levels of the husband in all spheres. > > A wife is a wife, good or bad, she is a complete mirror and > a single > compendium provided by the Lord who will give you all the > Love of a > friend, mother, sister, daughter , alas only if we come up > to the levels > to gain these. > > A bad or evil wife is due to our mistakes of the present or > past Life, > which now come up as a wife and her behaviours. > > In the ultimate count (Which phrase I like to repeat > always), whatever > comes to us, is what are the results of the seeds we have > sown > somewhere, some or the other time in this or the past > Lives. > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , > chiranjiv mehta > <vchiranjiv wrote: > > > > Our ( Men ) judging a woman is flawed bacuse the " wo " - > man factor > comes in between. > > Thus tarnished we cannot make judgement. Therefore > seduced by a > poisonous viper who would have been swated, crushed and > killed in normal > circumstances - we pause due to the gender. Mangal > maybe or Saturn + > Mangal or Rahu + Sukra. > > To (try) to understand what really is the reason for > that implausible > behaviour, Remove the wo / man from either side to > understand and > evaluate properly. > > For that you need clarity - Guru, detachment - Ketu/ > Sani, and some > quick accounting - Sun & Budha. > > Then you will understand why you live with that person > who - spends > the hard earned cash with a vengance in shopping for yet > another useless > thing, why you still want to live with a person who will > not wear a > dress just because someone else has it too etc... etc... > > > > Q Is it important to have Sun in friendly signs in > Navmasa chart of > both the people involved ? > > Looks like we give lot of importance to Sukra, Mangal > etc. > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > --- On Sat, 20/6/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > wrote: > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > > Re: Mangal > dosha_3_Debilitated > Planets > > > > Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 4:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > Women - whether one may understand them or not, > whatever adjectives > one > > may attribute to them, but let me be honest, I do > enjoy women around > me, > > and without a woman factor around me, would feel empty > in Life, be > > whomeever she may be, wife, sister, daughter, > Mother,or just anybody. > > > > Man would always feel incomplete without women ( I am > talking about > > normal men, and not abnormals, Yogis, saints etc). > > > > Without her we would not be. > > > > She is both a boon, she is a bane too. > > > > She is the calm, she is the fire too. > > > > She is the loving bosom, she is the scornful glance > too. > > > > We can write hundreds of books on women but still when > it comes to > > practise, one may not be even able to understand his > own wife > completely > > after staying 50 years with her. > > > > Actually one may percieve women sometimes as loving, > and sometimes as > > spiteful. Not only this, but the same women may > sometimes behave > > lovingly and sometimes with disdain. We normally > attract love and > hatred > > as per the laws of nature which we are bound to, being > connected to > this > > Mayavic Earth and resultant results of our Karmas, and > cannot actually > > blame women at all times for the miserable lot we may > be into. > > > > If given a choice I would go back to the first day of > marriage and > > change many a lot defects in my nature and become a > better, loving > > responsible husband. > > > > anyways...wishes are wishes. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " renunw " renunw@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandu2chill ji, > > > > > > Please do chill....and let me add the following > by George Bernard > Shaw > > > in his famous work Pygmalion [My Fair Lady] to > your list of > > quotations.. > > > > > > //Women are irrational, that's all there is to > that! Their heads are > > > full of cotton, hay, and rags. They're nothing > but exasperating, > > > irritating, vacillating, calculating, agitating, > maddening and > > > infuriating hags! // > > > > > > Happy? > > > > > > I am not least angry with you..on the > contrary...I enjoyed your > mail. > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, " Chandu2chill " > > > nanna_id2006@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu Ji, > > > > > > > > I am also expressing my views and hope our > Democratic Moderators > > will > > > approve my message...i also know this is > Astrology forum and i am a > > > member of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for > People like you, i > feel > > > strongly that, you must be educated on the > practicalities of Current > > day > > > affairs especially in Relationship read as > Husband and Wife. Kindly > > > note: i do not have anything against you > personally, i am against > your > > > strong lopesided views and blind beliefs against > Men. Refer your > below > > > comments...i have a great respect for you as a > Woman first and then > an > > > active learned member of our AIA forum. > > > > > > > > You quote: > > > > > > > > //Basically no woman is bad unless provoked > by a man. Reasons may > > > differ....but men will never understand this. A > woman/wife may > become > > a > > > tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the > matter, I am sure the > > > husband is the cause. You may not agree :)// > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > Let me start with what our Ancient > scriputres say about Women > > > > > > > > 1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said: > > > > It is the nature of women all over the world > to be vicious, > fickle, > > > and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. > Valmiki Ramayana > > > Aranya Kanda, 45.29 > > > > > > > > 2. Sita said: > > > > In the case of women neither father nor son > nor their own body nor > > > mother nor their female companions serve as an > asylum here or > > hereafter. > > > The husband alone is their refuge at all times. > Valmiki Ramayana > > > Ayodhya Kanda, 27.6 > > > > > > > > 3. " Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind > of woman cannot be > > > disciplined; she has very little intelligence. ' > " Rig Veda 8.33.17 > > > > > > > > 4. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, > and a truth appear as > a > > > lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section > XXXIX > > > > > > > > 5. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said: > > > > Women in particular, the Rishis have said, > are false in behaviour. > > > Women in particular have been declared in the > ordinances to be > false. > > In > > > the very Vedas one may read that women are false. > The Mahabharata > > > Anusasana Parva, Section XIX > > > > > > > > 6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita: > > > > " A woman is impure by her very birth; but > she attains a happy > state > > by > > > serving her lord (husband) " . Tulasi Ramayana > Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B > > > > > > > > Now as per my personal views by all these > above statements/facts > Our > > > Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and > didn't mean they are > > > weak or infirior to Men on the contrary they gave > Highest value, > > freedom > > > and respect to the women folk then. And They new > very well that > WOMAN > > by > > > itself a Shakti (Power). > > > > > > > > Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and > women organaisation( > s) > > > using above statements to Instigate other Women > and making them > Rebel > > > against thier own family read as Husband/Male. > .. > > > > > > > > Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy > and to be distroyed > > > itself) by Women only... > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . com, " renunw " > renunw@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kursija ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for birth data of the husband, though > I am not least > > competent > > > to judge a person from his birth chart. > > > > > > > > I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly > excuse me...I know this > is > > an > > > astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad > unless provoked by a > > man. > > > Reasons may differ....but men will never > understand this. A > woman/wife > > > may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep > into the matter, I > > am > > > sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree > > > > > > > > > Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I > can tell you one thing > for > > > sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become > difficult husbands, in > the > > > sense...may be they are not bad but their > arrogance and ego would > not > > > allow them to understand the emotions of their > wives. Just not one > > > case...but I've noticed this in quite a few > couples where marriages > > have > > > ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to > give you. > > > > > > > > A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th > house, nearly burnt his > > > first wife to death,divorced and married a career > diplomat, became a > > > high flier in the political field and finally had > a tragic death. > > > > > > > > That doesn't mean every Leo native with > Saturn in the 7th house > > > behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence > at all to prove my > > > case. > > > > > > > > I know, I have opened the doors to much > criticism here. Take my > > > genuine concern for married women in a lighter > note. Meanwhile I > would > > > like to learn from you, through the native's > horoscope why he got a > > > difficult wife. > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM > > > > Dear Sreeram ji, > > > > > > > > //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies > to > > > > her husband on his fate... (trust the group > is with me on > > > > this.....)// > > > > > > > > Usually I don't doubt/challenge your > word.....but this is > > > > one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so > easily like > > > > this...who knows what her husband is up to. > You can't clap > > > > with one hand... > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? 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Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Sir, // " Is laddoo ko jisane khaya vaha bee rota hai, jisane nahee khaya vaha bee rota hai. " // You made me laugh aloud with this. Dear Kursija ji you are very true and talk with experience apparently when you write that just Gyana is not enough without Bhakti. For us people just one path will not do. We have to tread on both paths, or just one path " Bhakti " which will automatically lead us to " Gyan " . I for one always talk to God and tell Him " Please make me worthy of you " . There is no limt to " Gyaan " . Bhakti is a easier path to follow. When one is a Bhakta he does Bhakti everytim he acts. When he drinks a good sharbat he will offer it to his Lord. When he eats good food he offers the delicious taste to his Lord. When he visits a good cinema show he will thank his Lord for the same. When he buys a new itemn for his house he will show it to His Lord. This is all a part of Bhakti. I also know a man who offers the pleasure of the sex with his wife to God, whenever he remembers it during time of union in the midst of the union, which is very difficult for him to remember every time, but he tries and has succeded a few times. This is the limits of Bhakti which is accessible to all of us without any rites and rituals. Raj Yoga is a difficult area though not very hard, but harder than Bhakti. Daily meditation at same hours, concentrated hours of union with ones Lord needs high quality of discipline if one has to reach the param seema of Gnana which is the opening of the 3rd eye between the forehead , the Agyna Chakra. Till this centre is not opened, Gyana is not complete, because only after this eye opens will one have knowledge of all which one wishes to have. Again without Bhakti of Lord in Savikaar or Nirvikaar forms one would not even be able to tread much on Gnana Marga. Bhati Marga can be followed without Gnana. But Gnana cannot be followed without Bhakti. The Lord loves Bhaktas more than Gnanis, and Yogis the best of all. I am sorry my mails are too long. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > > Respected Bhaskar Ji, > I agree with you. Every planet contributes in development of love. But 7th is house of detriment in the upward journey of life. So it is said " Is laddoo ko jisane khaya vaha bee rota hai, jisane nahee khaya vaha bee rota hai. " But question is that Bhakti is also a sort of love toward Him. One with only Gyana can not achieve Him. In Kaliyuga where there are so many attractions and restrictions of Maya, with out surrender to Him, Bhakti,how can we advance in the journey of life? > > --- On Sat, 6/20/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > > Re: Mangal dosha_3_Debilitated Planets > > > > Saturday, June 20, 2009, 7:11 PM > > > > Dear Chiranjiv ji, > > > > Without the aggression of Mars, one cannot make Love. > > Without the Fire > > of Sun one cannot fall in Love. Without the sustaining > > power of Saturn > > one cannot continue loving. Without the mental mould given > > by the Moona > > and the dscriminating facility provided by the Dual Planet > > Mercury one > > cannot decide whom to love and whom not to, though one may > > fall in Love > > with many. Without Venus sparkling one cannot see the > > beauty of Love and > > without the benevolence provided by Jupiter one cannot > > expand his Love. > > > > All planets contribute to one Loving his/her mate. All > > planets also > > contribute as instruments to creating differences and > > strife in married > > Lives as per ones individual karms due to which he begets > > Love or hate > > or Heart breaks from different good or evil women in his > > journey of Life > > at various phases of his Life on various occasions. > > > > If we talk about husband and wife, one has to after a > > certain age, > > evolve himself/herself over and above the influence of the > > planets, so > > as to become a lofty person and remain affectionate with > > the aprtner > > given to him by destiny. Is this not what astrology is all > > about ? Why > > is the wife/husband always denoted by the 7th or the > > detriment house ? > > Because we are supposed to cross this barrier if opposition > > and become > > " Sama " in order to proceed towards the higher planes of our > > existence, > > physical or spiritual. A person who is involved in this > > stage with his > > wife " Saath mein raha bhi nahin jaata, uske bina jiya bhi > > nahin jaata " > > is actually moving one step forward, because a time will > > come when he > > would realise the importance of his/her partner after which > > there would > > be no grudges or compalints in the equation iof the > > relationship. > > > > For those who have crossed the age of 40/50/60 but > > still not started > > loving their wives, must just take a photo of the wife at > > the time of > > the marriage, and take another photo which is very much > > recent. See the > > changes in the photos. See the wrinkles in the recent > > photo. All > > complaints would evaporate in a moment, no grudges would > > remain, coz one > > willr emember how much his partner has done for him all his > > Life, and > > the state which is there today of his wife physically would > > remind him > > of how much she could have been given more of > > comfort,pleasures and > > luxuries which was all missed by her, due to the > > incompetency or not so > > great capacity levels of the husband in all spheres. > > > > A wife is a wife, good or bad, she is a complete mirror and > > a single > > compendium provided by the Lord who will give you all the > > Love of a > > friend, mother, sister, daughter , alas only if we come up > > to the levels > > to gain these. > > > > A bad or evil wife is due to our mistakes of the present or > > past Life, > > which now come up as a wife and her behaviours. > > > > In the ultimate count (Which phrase I like to repeat > > always), whatever > > comes to us, is what are the results of the seeds we have > > sown > > somewhere, some or the other time in this or the past > > Lives. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , > > chiranjiv mehta > > vchiranjiv@ wrote: > > > > > > Our ( Men ) judging a woman is flawed bacuse the " wo " - > > man factor > > comes in between. > > > Thus tarnished we cannot make judgement. Therefore > > seduced by a > > poisonous viper who would have been swated, crushed and > > killed in normal > > circumstances - we pause due to the gender. Mangal > > maybe or Saturn + > > Mangal or Rahu + Sukra. > > > To (try) to understand what really is the reason for > > that implausible > > behaviour, Remove the wo / man from either side to > > understand and > > evaluate properly. > > > For that you need clarity - Guru, detachment - Ketu/ > > Sani, and some > > quick accounting - Sun & Budha. > > > Then you will understand why you live with that person > > who - spends > > the hard earned cash with a vengance in shopping for yet > > another useless > > thing, why you still want to live with a person who will > > not wear a > > dress just because someone else has it too etc... etc... > > > > > > Q Is it important to have Sun in friendly signs in > > Navmasa chart of > > both the people involved ? > > > Looks like we give lot of importance to Sukra, Mangal > > etc. > > > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 20/6/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > Re: Mangal > > dosha_3_Debilitated > > Planets > > > > > > Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 4:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > Women - whether one may understand them or not, > > whatever adjectives > > one > > > may attribute to them, but let me be honest, I do > > enjoy women around > > me, > > > and without a woman factor around me, would feel empty > > in Life, be > > > whomeever she may be, wife, sister, daughter, > > Mother,or just anybody. > > > > > > Man would always feel incomplete without women ( I am > > talking about > > > normal men, and not abnormals, Yogis, saints etc). > > > > > > Without her we would not be. > > > > > > She is both a boon, she is a bane too. > > > > > > She is the calm, she is the fire too. > > > > > > She is the loving bosom, she is the scornful glance > > too. > > > > > > We can write hundreds of books on women but still when > > it comes to > > > practise, one may not be even able to understand his > > own wife > > completely > > > after staying 50 years with her. > > > > > > Actually one may percieve women sometimes as loving, > > and sometimes as > > > spiteful. Not only this, but the same women may > > sometimes behave > > > lovingly and sometimes with disdain. We normally > > attract love and > > hatred > > > as per the laws of nature which we are bound to, being > > connected to > > this > > > Mayavic Earth and resultant results of our Karmas, and > > cannot actually > > > blame women at all times for the miserable lot we may > > be into. > > > > > > If given a choice I would go back to the first day of > > marriage and > > > change many a lot defects in my nature and become a > > better, loving > > > responsible husband. > > > > > > anyways...wishes are wishes. > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " renunw " renunw@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandu2chill ji, > > > > > > > > Please do chill....and let me add the following > > by George Bernard > > Shaw > > > > in his famous work Pygmalion [My Fair Lady] to > > your list of > > > quotations.. > > > > > > > > //Women are irrational, that's all there is to > > that! Their heads are > > > > full of cotton, hay, and rags. They're nothing > > but exasperating, > > > > irritating, vacillating, calculating, agitating, > > maddening and > > > > infuriating hags! // > > > > > > > > Happy? > > > > > > > > I am not least angry with you..on the > > contrary...I enjoyed your > > mail. > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > > com, " Chandu2chill " > > > > nanna_id2006@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu Ji, > > > > > > > > > > I am also expressing my views and hope our > > Democratic Moderators > > > will > > > > approve my message...i also know this is > > Astrology forum and i am a > > > > member of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for > > People like you, i > > feel > > > > strongly that, you must be educated on the > > practicalities of Current > > > day > > > > affairs especially in Relationship read as > > Husband and Wife. Kindly > > > > note: i do not have anything against you > > personally, i am against > > your > > > > strong lopesided views and blind beliefs against > > Men. Refer your > > below > > > > comments...i have a great respect for you as a > > Woman first and then > > an > > > > active learned member of our AIA forum. > > > > > > > > > > You quote: > > > > > > > > > > //Basically no woman is bad unless provoked > > by a man. Reasons may > > > > differ....but men will never understand this. A > > woman/wife may > > become > > > a > > > > tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the > > matter, I am sure the > > > > husband is the cause. You may not agree :)// > > > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > > > Let me start with what our Ancient > > scriputres say about Women > > > > > > > > > > 1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said: > > > > > It is the nature of women all over the world > > to be vicious, > > fickle, > > > > and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. > > Valmiki Ramayana > > > > Aranya Kanda, 45.29 > > > > > > > > > > 2. Sita said: > > > > > In the case of women neither father nor son > > nor their own body nor > > > > mother nor their female companions serve as an > > asylum here or > > > hereafter. > > > > The husband alone is their refuge at all times. > > Valmiki Ramayana > > > > Ayodhya Kanda, 27.6 > > > > > > > > > > 3. " Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind > > of woman cannot be > > > > disciplined; she has very little intelligence. ' > > " Rig Veda 8.33.17 > > > > > > > > > > 4. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, > > and a truth appear as > > a > > > > lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section > > XXXIX > > > > > > > > > > 5. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said: > > > > > Women in particular, the Rishis have said, > > are false in behaviour. > > > > Women in particular have been declared in the > > ordinances to be > > false. > > > In > > > > the very Vedas one may read that women are false. > > The Mahabharata > > > > Anusasana Parva, Section XIX > > > > > > > > > > 6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita: > > > > > " A woman is impure by her very birth; but > > she attains a happy > > state > > > by > > > > serving her lord (husband) " . Tulasi Ramayana > > Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B > > > > > > > > > > Now as per my personal views by all these > > above statements/facts > > Our > > > > Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and > > didn't mean they are > > > > weak or infirior to Men on the contrary they gave > > Highest value, > > > freedom > > > > and respect to the women folk then. And They new > > very well that > > WOMAN > > > by > > > > itself a Shakti (Power). > > > > > > > > > > Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and > > women organaisation( > > s) > > > > using above statements to Instigate other Women > > and making them > > Rebel > > > > against thier own family read as Husband/Male. > > .. > > > > > > > > > > Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy > > and to be distroyed > > > > itself) by Women only... > > > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . com, " renunw " > > renunw@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kursija ji, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for birth data of the husband, though > > I am not least > > > competent > > > > to judge a person from his birth chart. > > > > > > > > > > I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly > > excuse me...I know this > > is > > > an > > > > astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad > > unless provoked by a > > > man. > > > > Reasons may differ....but men will never > > understand this. A > > woman/wife > > > > may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep > > into the matter, I > > > am > > > > sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree > > > > > > > > > > > > Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I > > can tell you one thing > > for > > > > sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become > > difficult husbands, in > > the > > > > sense...may be they are not bad but their > > arrogance and ego would > > not > > > > allow them to understand the emotions of their > > wives. Just not one > > > > case...but I've noticed this in quite a few > > couples where marriages > > > have > > > > ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to > > give you. > > > > > > > > > > A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th > > house, nearly burnt his > > > > first wife to death,divorced and married a career > > diplomat, became a > > > > high flier in the political field and finally had > > a tragic death. > > > > > > > > > > That doesn't mean every Leo native with > > Saturn in the 7th house > > > > behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence > > at all to prove my > > > > case. > > > > > > > > > > I know, I have opened the doors to much > > criticism here. Take my > > > > genuine concern for married women in a lighter > > note. Meanwhile I > > would > > > > like to learn from you, through the native's > > horoscope why he got a > > > > difficult wife. > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM > > > > > Dear Sreeram ji, > > > > > > > > > > //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies > > to > > > > > her husband on his fate... (trust the group > > is with me on > > > > > this.....)// > > > > > > > > > > Usually I don't doubt/challenge your > > word.....but this is > > > > > one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so > > easily like > > > > > this...who knows what her husband is up to. > > You can't clap > > > > > with one hand... > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video > > highlights and > > more. 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