Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Just to add few words on women. A nice and useful story in day to day life. Young King Arthur was ambushed and imprisoned by the monarch of a neighboring kingdom. The monarch could have killed him but was moved by Arthur's youth and ideals. So the monarch offered Arthur his freedom, as long as he could answer a very difficult question. Arthur would have a year to figure out the answer and, If after a year, he still had no answer, he would be put to death. The question was: What do women really want? Such a question would perplex even the most knowledgeable man and to young Arthur, it seemed an impossible query. But, since it was better than death, he accepted the monarch's proposition to have an answer by the year's end. He returned to his kingdom and began to poll everyone: The princess, the priests, the wise men, and even the court jester. He spoke with everyone, but no one could give him a satisfactory answer. Many people advised him to consult the old witch for only she would have the answer. But the price would be high as the witch was famous through out the kingdom for the exorbitant prices she charged. The last day of the year arrived and Arthur had no choice but to talk to the witch. She agreed to answer the question but he would have to agree to her price first. The old witch wanted to marry Sir Lancelot, the most noble of the Knights of the Round Table, and Arthur's closest friend! Young Arthur was horrified. She was hunch-backed, hideous, had only one tooth, smelled like sewage, made obscene noises, etc. He had never encountered such a repugnant creature in all his life. He refused to force his friend to marry her and endure such a terrible burden, but Lancelot having learnt of the proposal, spoke with Arthur. He said nothing was too big of a sacrifice compared to Arthur's life. And the reservation of the Round Table. Hence, a wedding was proclaimed and the witch answered Arthur's question thus: 'What a woman really wants?' She said, 'Is to be in charge of her own life.' Everyone in the kingdom instantly knew that the witch had uttered a great truth. And that Arthur's life would be spared. And so it was. The neighboring monarch granted Arthur his freedom. And Lancelot and the witch had a wonderful wedding. The honeymoon hour approached and Lancelot, steeling himself for a horrific experience, entered the bedroom. But what a sight awaited him. The most beautiful woman he had ever seen lay before him on the bed. The astounded Lancelot asked what had happened. The beauty replied that since he had been so kind to her when she appeared as a witch, she would henceforth be her horrible and deformed self only half the time and the beautiful maiden the other half. 'Which would you prefer?' she asked him. 'Beautiful during the day .... or at night?' Lancelot pondered the predicament. During the day he could have a beautiful woman to show off to his friends but at night, in the privacy of his castle, an old witch! Or, Would he prefer having a hideous witch during the day but by night a beautiful woman for him to enjoy wondrous, intimate moments with? .... ... .... ... .... (If you are a man reading this...) What would YOUR choice be? (If you are a woman reading this) What would YOUR MAN'S choice be? What Lancelot chose, is given below: BUT... make YOUR choice before you scroll down below... OKAY? ....? ....? ? ....? ? ? ....? ? ? ? ....? ? ? ? ? ....? ? ? ? ? ? Noble Lancelot knowing the answer the witch gave Arthur to his question said that he would allow HER to make the choice herself. Upon hearing this, she announced that she would be beautiful all the time because he had respected her enough to let her be in charge of her own life. Now... what is the moral to this story? .... .... The moral is... 1) There is a witch in every woman no matter how beautiful she is! 2) If you don't let a woman have her own way, things are going to get ugly. So, always remember: IT'S EITHER 'HER WAY' OR IT'S 'NO WAY' !!! regards , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear all, > > Women - whether one may understand them or not, whatever adjectives one > may attribute to them, but let me be honest, I do enjoy women around me, > and without a woman factor around me, would feel empty in Life, be > whomeever she may be, wife, sister, daughter, Mother,or just anybody. > > Man would always feel incomplete without women ( I am talking about > normal men, and not abnormals, Yogis, saints etc). > > Without her we would not be. > > She is both a boon, she is a bane too. > > She is the calm, she is the fire too. > > She is the loving bosom, she is the scornful glance too. > > We can write hundreds of books on women but still when it comes to > practise, one may not be even able to understand his own wife completely > after staying 50 years with her. > > Actually one may percieve women sometimes as loving, and sometimes as > spiteful. Not only this, but the same women may sometimes behave > lovingly and sometimes with disdain. We normally attract love and hatred > as per the laws of nature which we are bound to, being connected to this > Mayavic Earth and resultant results of our Karmas, and cannot actually > blame women at all times for the miserable lot we may be into. > > If given a choice I would go back to the first day of marriage and > change many a lot defects in my nature and become a better, loving > responsible husband. > > anyways...wishes are wishes. > > Bhaskar. > > > > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Chandu2chill ji, > > > > Please do chill....and let me add the following by George Bernard Shaw > > in his famous work Pygmalion [My Fair Lady] to your list of > quotations.. > > > > //Women are irrational, that's all there is to that! Their heads are > > full of cotton, hay, and rags. They're nothing but exasperating, > > irritating, vacillating, calculating, agitating, maddening and > > infuriating hags! // > > > > Happy? > > > > I am not least angry with you..on the contrary...I enjoyed your mail. > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > , " Chandu2chill " > > nanna_id2006@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu Ji, > > > > > > I am also expressing my views and hope our Democratic Moderators > will > > approve my message...i also know this is Astrology forum and i am a > > member of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for People like you, i feel > > strongly that, you must be educated on the practicalities of Current > day > > affairs especially in Relationship read as Husband and Wife. Kindly > > note: i do not have anything against you personally, i am against your > > strong lopesided views and blind beliefs against Men. Refer your below > > comments...i have a great respect for you as a Woman first and then an > > active learned member of our AIA forum. > > > > > > You quote: > > > > > > //Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may > > differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become > a > > tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the > > husband is the cause. You may not agree :)// > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > Let me start with what our Ancient scriputres say about Women > > > > > > 1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said: > > > It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle, > > and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana > > Aranya Kanda, 45.29 > > > > > > 2. Sita said: > > > In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor > > mother nor their female companions serve as an asylum here or > hereafter. > > The husband alone is their refuge at all times. Valmiki Ramayana > > Ayodhya Kanda, 27.6 > > > > > > 3. " Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be > > disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " Rig Veda 8.33.17 > > > > > > 4. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a > > lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX > > > > > > 5. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said: > > > Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour. > > Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false. > In > > the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata > > Anusasana Parva, Section XIX > > > > > > 6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita: > > > " A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state > by > > serving her lord (husband) " . Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B > > > > > > Now as per my personal views by all these above statements/facts Our > > Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and didn't mean they are > > weak or infirior to Men on the contrary they gave Highest value, > freedom > > and respect to the women folk then. And They new very well that WOMAN > by > > itself a Shakti (Power). > > > > > > Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and women organaisation(s) > > using above statements to Instigate other Women and making them Rebel > > against thier own family read as Husband/Male... > > > > > > Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy and to be distroyed > > itself) by Women only... > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " renunw@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Kursija ji, > > > > > > Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least > competent > > to judge a person from his birth chart. > > > > > > I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this is > an > > astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a > man. > > Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife > > may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I > am > > sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree > > > > > > Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for > > sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the > > sense...may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not > > allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one > > case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriages > have > > ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you. > > > > > > A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his > > first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a > > high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death. > > > > > > That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house > > behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my > > case. > > > > > > I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my > > genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would > > like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a > > difficult wife. > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM > > > Dear Sreeram ji, > > > > > > //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to > > > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on > > > this.....)// > > > > > > Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is > > > one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like > > > this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap > > > with one hand... > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 This is one of the best stories I ever read, a refreshing one, a lesson in chivalry, courage, smartness, wisness and faithfullness. Frankly, I had chosen the day time for the witch to be with me as beautiful, because I would be awake fully in the day time and would have her with me as company in all affairs. But the choice of King Arthur was a real wise one by allowing the witch to choose. The other one was a reality too. " 'Is to be in charge of her own life This is what one realises when he grows more wiser in his marriage, that any husband who allows the woman to have her way at most of the times without too much of interfering in her day to day affairs, is better off and more comfortable than the husband who does not do so. best wishes, and thanks for the beautiful story. Bhaskar. , " viditjain " <viditjain wrote: > > Just to add few words on women. A nice and useful story in day to day life. > > Young King Arthur was ambushed and imprisoned by the monarch of a > > neighboring kingdom. The monarch could have killed him but was moved > > by Arthur's youth and ideals. So the monarch offered Arthur his freedom, > > as long as he could answer a very difficult question. Arthur would > > have a year to figure out the answer and, If after a year, he still > > had no answer, he would be put to death. > > The question was: What do women really want? > > Such a question would perplex even the most knowledgeable man and to > > young Arthur, it seemed an impossible query. But, since it was better > > than death, he accepted the monarch's proposition to have an answer by the > > year's end. > > > > He returned to his kingdom and began to poll everyone: The princess, > > the priests, the wise men, and even the court jester. He spoke with > > everyone, but no one could give him a satisfactory answer. Many people > > advised him to consult the old witch for only she would have the > > answer. But the price would be high as the witch was famous through > > out the kingdom for the exorbitant prices she charged. > > > > The last day of the year arrived and Arthur had no choice but to talk > > to the witch. She agreed to answer the question but he would have to > > agree to her price first. > > > > The old witch wanted to marry Sir Lancelot, the most noble of the > > Knights of the Round Table, and Arthur's closest friend! Young Arthur > > was horrified. She was hunch-backed, hideous, had only one tooth, > > smelled like sewage, made obscene noises, etc. > > > > He had never encountered such a repugnant creature in all his life. He > > refused to force his friend to marry her and endure such a terrible > > burden, but Lancelot having learnt of the proposal, spoke with Arthur. He > > said nothing was too big of a sacrifice compared to Arthur's life. And > > the reservation of the Round Table. Hence, a wedding was proclaimed > > and the witch answered Arthur's question thus: 'What a woman really > > wants?' > > > > She said, 'Is to be in charge of her own life.' > > > > Everyone in the kingdom instantly knew that the witch had uttered a > > great truth. And that Arthur's life would be spared. > > > > And so it was. > > > > The neighboring monarch granted Arthur his freedom. > > > > And Lancelot and the witch had a wonderful wedding. > > > > The honeymoon hour approached and Lancelot, steeling himself for a > > horrific experience, entered the bedroom. > > > > But what a sight awaited him. > > > > The most beautiful woman he had ever seen lay before him on the bed. > > The astounded Lancelot asked what had happened. > > The beauty replied that since he had been so kind to her when she > > appeared as a witch, she would henceforth be her horrible and deformed > > self only half the time and the beautiful maiden the other half. > > > > 'Which would you prefer?' she asked him. 'Beautiful during the day ..... or at night?' > > > > Lancelot pondered the predicament. > > > > During the day he could have a beautiful woman to show off to his > > friends but at night, in the privacy of his castle, an old witch! > > > > Or, > > > > Would he prefer having a hideous witch during the day but by night a beautiful woman for him to enjoy wondrous, intimate moments with? > > ... > > ... > > ... > > ... > > ... > > > > (If you are a man reading this...) What would YOUR choice be? > > > (If you are a woman reading this) What would YOUR MAN'S choice be? > > > What Lancelot chose, is given below: > > > BUT... make YOUR choice before you scroll down below... OKAY? > > > > ...? > > > > ...? ? > > > > ...? ? ? > > > > ...? ? ? ? > > > > ...? ? ? ? ? > > > > ...? ? ? ? ? ? > > > > Noble Lancelot knowing the answer the witch gave Arthur to his question said that > he would allow HER to make the choice herself. > > > Upon hearing this, she announced that she would be beautiful all the time because he had respected her enough to let her be in charge of her own life. > > > Now... what is the moral to this story? > > > > ... > > > > ... > > > The moral is... > > > 1) There is a witch in every woman no matter how beautiful she is! > > 2) If you don't let a woman have her own way, things are going to get ugly. > > > So, always remember: > > IT'S EITHER 'HER WAY' OR > > IT'S 'NO WAY' !!! > > regards > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > Women - whether one may understand them or not, whatever adjectives one > > may attribute to them, but let me be honest, I do enjoy women around me, > > and without a woman factor around me, would feel empty in Life, be > > whomeever she may be, wife, sister, daughter, Mother,or just anybody. > > > > Man would always feel incomplete without women ( I am talking about > > normal men, and not abnormals, Yogis, saints etc). > > > > Without her we would not be. > > > > She is both a boon, she is a bane too. > > > > She is the calm, she is the fire too. > > > > She is the loving bosom, she is the scornful glance too. > > > > We can write hundreds of books on women but still when it comes to > > practise, one may not be even able to understand his own wife completely > > after staying 50 years with her. > > > > Actually one may percieve women sometimes as loving, and sometimes as > > spiteful. Not only this, but the same women may sometimes behave > > lovingly and sometimes with disdain. We normally attract love and hatred > > as per the laws of nature which we are bound to, being connected to this > > Mayavic Earth and resultant results of our Karmas, and cannot actually > > blame women at all times for the miserable lot we may be into. > > > > If given a choice I would go back to the first day of marriage and > > change many a lot defects in my nature and become a better, loving > > responsible husband. > > > > anyways...wishes are wishes. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandu2chill ji, > > > > > > Please do chill....and let me add the following by George Bernard Shaw > > > in his famous work Pygmalion [My Fair Lady] to your list of > > quotations.. > > > > > > //Women are irrational, that's all there is to that! Their heads are > > > full of cotton, hay, and rags. They're nothing but exasperating, > > > irritating, vacillating, calculating, agitating, maddening and > > > infuriating hags! // > > > > > > Happy? > > > > > > I am not least angry with you..on the contrary...I enjoyed your mail. > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > nanna_id2006@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu Ji, > > > > > > > > I am also expressing my views and hope our Democratic Moderators > > will > > > approve my message...i also know this is Astrology forum and i am a > > > member of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for People like you, i feel > > > strongly that, you must be educated on the practicalities of Current > > day > > > affairs especially in Relationship read as Husband and Wife. Kindly > > > note: i do not have anything against you personally, i am against your > > > strong lopesided views and blind beliefs against Men. Refer your below > > > comments...i have a great respect for you as a Woman first and then an > > > active learned member of our AIA forum. > > > > > > > > You quote: > > > > > > > > //Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may > > > differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become > > a > > > tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the > > > husband is the cause. You may not agree :)// > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > Let me start with what our Ancient scriputres say about Women > > > > > > > > 1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said: > > > > It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle, > > > and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana > > > Aranya Kanda, 45.29 > > > > > > > > 2. Sita said: > > > > In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor > > > mother nor their female companions serve as an asylum here or > > hereafter. > > > The husband alone is their refuge at all times. Valmiki Ramayana > > > Ayodhya Kanda, 27.6 > > > > > > > > 3. " Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be > > > disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " Rig Veda 8.33.17 > > > > > > > > 4. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a > > > lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX > > > > > > > > 5. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said: > > > > Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour. > > > Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false. > > In > > > the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata > > > Anusasana Parva, Section XIX > > > > > > > > 6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita: > > > > " A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state > > by > > > serving her lord (husband) " . Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B > > > > > > > > Now as per my personal views by all these above statements/facts Our > > > Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and didn't mean they are > > > weak or infirior to Men on the contrary they gave Highest value, > > freedom > > > and respect to the women folk then. And They new very well that WOMAN > > by > > > itself a Shakti (Power). > > > > > > > > Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and women organaisation(s) > > > using above statements to Instigate other Women and making them Rebel > > > against thier own family read as Husband/Male... > > > > > > > > Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy and to be distroyed > > > itself) by Women only... > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " renunw@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kursija ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least > > competent > > > to judge a person from his birth chart. > > > > > > > > I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this is > > an > > > astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a > > man. > > > Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife > > > may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I > > am > > > sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree > > > > > > > > Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for > > > sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the > > > sense...may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not > > > allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one > > > case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriages > > have > > > ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you. > > > > > > > > A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his > > > first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a > > > high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death. > > > > > > > > That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house > > > behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my > > > case. > > > > > > > > I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my > > > genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would > > > like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a > > > difficult wife. > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM > > > > Dear Sreeram ji, > > > > > > > > //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to > > > > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on > > > > this.....)// > > > > > > > > Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is > > > > one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like > > > > this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap > > > > with one hand... > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Cute fairy tale. What " being in charge of one's own life " would mean will take lots of discussion starting from political, human rights and eventually ending in Spiritual. Since this is an astro forum - lots of wasted space......... so to cut to the chase.....i will quote Osho....this is not sexist, nor political etc......" people talk of rights & freedom. Women want freedom, true but there should also be mens liberation movement. But nobody wants to be free. Because with freedom comes great responsibility .... towards exixtence. ........ Nobody wants to be responsible ...... nobody wants to be free.--- On Mon, 22/6/09, viditjain <viditjain wrote: viditjain <viditjain Re: Mangal dosha_3_Debilitated Planets Date: Monday, 22 June, 2009, 2:57 PM Just to add few words on women. A nice and useful story in day to day life.Young King Arthur was ambushed and imprisoned by the monarch of a neighboring kingdom. The monarch could have killed him but was moved by Arthur's youth and ideals. So the monarch offered Arthur his freedom, as long as he could answer a very difficult question. Arthur would have a year to figure out the answer and, If after a year, he still had no answer, he would be put to death. The question was: What do women really want? Such a question would perplex even the most knowledgeable man and to young Arthur, it seemed an impossible query. But, since it was better than death, he accepted the monarch's proposition to have an answer by the year's end. He returned to his kingdom and began to poll everyone: The princess, the priests, the wise men, and even the court jester. He spoke with everyone, but no one could give him a satisfactory answer. Many people advised him to consult the old witch for only she would have the answer. But the price would be high as the witch was famous through out the kingdom for the exorbitant prices she charged. The last day of the year arrived and Arthur had no choice but to talk to the witch. She agreed to answer the question but he would have to agree to her price first. The old witch wanted to marry Sir Lancelot, the most noble of the Knights of the Round Table, and Arthur's closest friend! Young Arthur was horrified. She was hunch-backed, hideous, had only one tooth, smelled like sewage, made obscene noises, etc. He had never encountered such a repugnant creature in all his life. He refused to force his friend to marry her and endure such a terrible burden, but Lancelot having learnt of the proposal, spoke with Arthur. He said nothing was too big of a sacrifice compared to Arthur's life. And the reservation of the Round Table. Hence, a wedding was proclaimed and the witch answered Arthur's question thus: 'What a woman really wants?' She said, 'Is to be in charge of her own life.' Everyone in the kingdom instantly knew that the witch had uttered a great truth. And that Arthur's life would be spared. And so it was. The neighboring monarch granted Arthur his freedom. And Lancelot and the witch had a wonderful wedding. The honeymoon hour approached and Lancelot, steeling himself for a horrific experience, entered the bedroom. But what a sight awaited him. The most beautiful woman he had ever seen lay before him on the bed. The astounded Lancelot asked what had happened. The beauty replied that since he had been so kind to her when she appeared as a witch, she would henceforth be her horrible and deformed self only half the time and the beautiful maiden the other half. 'Which would you prefer?' she asked him. 'Beautiful during the day .... or at night?' Lancelot pondered the predicament. During the day he could have a beautiful woman to show off to his friends but at night, in the privacy of his castle, an old witch! Or, Would he prefer having a hideous witch during the day but by night a beautiful woman for him to enjoy wondrous, intimate moments with? ... ... ... ... .... (If you are a man reading this...) What would YOUR choice be? (If you are a woman reading this) What would YOUR MAN'S choice be? What Lancelot chose, is given below: BUT... make YOUR choice before you scroll down below... OKAY? ...? ...? ? ...? ? ? ...? ? ? ? ...? ? ? ? ? ...? ? ? ? ? ? Noble Lancelot knowing the answer the witch gave Arthur to his question said that he would allow HER to make the choice herself. Upon hearing this, she announced that she would be beautiful all the time because he had respected her enough to let her be in charge of her own life. Now... what is the moral to this story? ... ... The moral is... 1) There is a witch in every woman no matter how beautiful she is! 2) If you don't let a woman have her own way, things are going to get ugly. So, always remember: IT'S EITHER 'HER WAY' OR IT'S 'NO WAY' !!!regardsancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear all,> > Women - whether one may understand them or not, whatever adjectives one> may attribute to them, but let me be honest, I do enjoy women around me,> and without a woman factor around me, would feel empty in Life, be> whomeever she may be, wife, sister, daughter, Mother,or just anybody.> > Man would always feel incomplete without women ( I am talking about> normal men, and not abnormals, Yogis, saints etc).> > Without her we would not be.> > She is both a boon, she is a bane too.> > She is the calm, she is the fire too.> > She is the loving bosom, she is the scornful glance too.> > We can write hundreds of books on women but still when it comes to> practise, one may not be even able to understand his own wife completely> after staying 50 years with her.> > Actually one may percieve women sometimes as loving, and sometimes as> spiteful. Not only this, but the same women may sometimes behave> lovingly and sometimes with disdain. We normally attract love and hatred> as per the laws of nature which we are bound to, being connected to this> Mayavic Earth and resultant results of our Karmas, and cannot actually> blame women at all times for the miserable lot we may be into.> > If given a choice I would go back to the first day of marriage and> change many a lot defects in my nature and become a better, loving> responsible husband.> > anyways...wishes are wishes.> > Bhaskar.> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" <renunw@>> wrote:> >> > Dear Chandu2chill ji,> >> > Please do chill....and let me add the following by George Bernard Shaw> > in his famous work Pygmalion [My Fair Lady] to your list of> quotations..> >> > //Women are irrational, that's all there is to that! Their heads are> > full of cotton, hay, and rags. They're nothing but exasperating,> > irritating, vacillating, calculating, agitating, maddening and> > infuriating hags! //> >> > Happy?> >> > I am not least angry with you..on the contrary...I enjoyed your mail.> >> > blessings,> >> > Renu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Chandu2chill"> > nanna_id2006@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Renu Ji,> > >> > > I am also expressing my views and hope our Democratic Moderators> will> > approve my message...i also know this is Astrology forum and i am a> > member of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for People like you, i feel> > strongly that, you must be educated on the practicalities of Current> day> > affairs especially in Relationship read as Husband and Wife. Kindly> > note: i do not have anything against you personally, i am against your> > strong lopesided views and blind beliefs against Men. Refer your below> > comments...i have a great respect for you as a Woman first and then an> > active learned member of our AIA forum.> > >> > > You quote:> > >> > > //Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may> > differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become> a> > tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the> > husband is the cause. You may not agree :)//> > >> > > Unquote> > >> > > Let me start with what our Ancient scriputres say about Women> > >> > > 1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said:> > > It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle,> > and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana> > Aranya Kanda, 45.29> > >> > > 2. Sita said:> > > In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor> > mother nor their female companions serve as an asylum here or> hereafter.> > The husband alone is their refuge at all times.. Valmiki Ramayana> > Ayodhya Kanda, 27.6> > >> > > 3. "Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be> > disciplined; she has very little intelligence. ' " Rig Veda 8.33.17> > >> > > 4. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a> > lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX> > >> > > 5. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said:> > > Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour.> > Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false.> In> > the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata> > Anusasana Parva, Section XIX> > >> > > 6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita:> > > "A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state> by> > serving her lord (husband)". Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B> > >> > > Now as per my personal views by all these above statements/facts Our> > Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and didn't mean they are> > weak or infirior to Men on the contrary they gave Highest value,> freedom> > and respect to the women folk then. And They new very well that WOMAN> by> > itself a Shakti (Power).> > >> > > Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and women organaisation( s)> > using above statements to Instigate other Women and making them Rebel> > against thier own family read as Husband/Male. ..> > >> > > Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy and to be distroyed> > itself) by Women only...> > >> > > Thank you> > >> > > Chandu2Chill> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" renunw@> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Kursija ji,> > >> > > Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least> competent> > to judge a person from his birth chart.> > >> > > I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me....I know this is> an> > astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a> man.> > Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife> > may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I> am> > sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree > > >> > > Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for> > sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the> > sense...may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not> > allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one> > case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriages> have> > ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you.> > >> > > A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his> > first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a> > high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death.> > >> > > That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house> > behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my> > case.> > >> > > I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my> > genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would> > like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a> > difficult wife.> > >> > > blessings,> > >> > > Renu> > >> > > Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM> > > Dear Sreeram ji,> > >> > > //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to> > > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on> > > this.....)//> > >> > > Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is> > > one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like> > > this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap> > > with one hand...> > >> > > blessings,> > >> > > Renu> > >> >> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Dear Vidit Jain, Nice write up ! Every man and woman wishes that things should move and occur as per their wishes. Thinking correctly 'wishing to have our own way' is quite different from 'being in charge of one's own life'. To be in charge of one's own life requires quite a good deal of capability for self assesment, self control and self improvement, ability to perfectly manage and utilise the tangible and intangible resouces available along with apprropriate actions to change dreams/ wishes into enjoyable reality. -------------------------- Having one's own way- may be guided by faith/conviction/ principled actions or /and by discerning conscience or/and a clearcut intelligence supported by courage, firmness and willpower or otherwise. Another important aspect to it is the 'sense of security' 'one feels in' ----- worldly pleasures of the senses/materials and money or pleasure of emotions/ satisfactory relationship/ love pleasure of the mind, pleasure of the intellect, pleasure of the wisdom etc. ------- Do most of the woman ( applicable for the man as well) want to be in perfect control over ( or in charge of) their own life or just all things should happen as per their wishes ? God has given this option to all... whether to 'just wish' or to workhard within and out 'to be incharge' . Astrolgically the trines rule the - firmness/will power(strong lagna), conscience(strong 5th house/ jupiter) and the faith/ conviction(strong 9th lord/ jupiter) to be in charge, if well supported by appropriate actions and talents (navamsa and trines related to quadrants). Sense of security is to be seen from the cumulative influences of the Bhoga/ Tyaga/ Moha/ Jnana Karaka karaka planets strongly influencing the horoscope. With regards, Mrutyunjay Tripathy , " viditjain " <viditjain wrote: > > Just to add few words on women. A nice and useful story in day to day life. > > Young King Arthur was ambushed and imprisoned by the monarch of a > > neighboring kingdom. The monarch could have killed him but was moved > > by Arthur's youth and ideals. So the monarch offered Arthur his freedom, > > as long as he could answer a very difficult question. Arthur would > > have a year to figure out the answer and, If after a year, he still > > had no answer, he would be put to death. > > The question was: What do women really want? > > Such a question would perplex even the most knowledgeable man and to > > young Arthur, it seemed an impossible query. But, since it was better > > than death, he accepted the monarch's proposition to have an answer by the > > year's end. > > > > He returned to his kingdom and began to poll everyone: The princess, > > the priests, the wise men, and even the court jester. He spoke with > > everyone, but no one could give him a satisfactory answer. Many people > > advised him to consult the old witch for only she would have the > > answer. But the price would be high as the witch was famous through > > out the kingdom for the exorbitant prices she charged. > > > > The last day of the year arrived and Arthur had no choice but to talk > > to the witch. She agreed to answer the question but he would have to > > agree to her price first. > > > > The old witch wanted to marry Sir Lancelot, the most noble of the > > Knights of the Round Table, and Arthur's closest friend! Young Arthur > > was horrified. She was hunch-backed, hideous, had only one tooth, > > smelled like sewage, made obscene noises, etc. > > > > He had never encountered such a repugnant creature in all his life. He > > refused to force his friend to marry her and endure such a terrible > > burden, but Lancelot having learnt of the proposal, spoke with Arthur. He > > said nothing was too big of a sacrifice compared to Arthur's life. And > > the reservation of the Round Table. Hence, a wedding was proclaimed > > and the witch answered Arthur's question thus: 'What a woman really > > wants?' > > > > She said, 'Is to be in charge of her own life.' > > > > Everyone in the kingdom instantly knew that the witch had uttered a > > great truth. And that Arthur's life would be spared. > > > > And so it was. > > > > The neighboring monarch granted Arthur his freedom. > > > > And Lancelot and the witch had a wonderful wedding. > > > > The honeymoon hour approached and Lancelot, steeling himself for a > > horrific experience, entered the bedroom. > > > > But what a sight awaited him. > > > > The most beautiful woman he had ever seen lay before him on the bed. > > The astounded Lancelot asked what had happened. > > The beauty replied that since he had been so kind to her when she > > appeared as a witch, she would henceforth be her horrible and deformed > > self only half the time and the beautiful maiden the other half. > > > > 'Which would you prefer?' she asked him. 'Beautiful during the day .... or at night?' > > > > Lancelot pondered the predicament. > > > > During the day he could have a beautiful woman to show off to his > > friends but at night, in the privacy of his castle, an old witch! > > > > Or, > > > > Would he prefer having a hideous witch during the day but by night a beautiful woman for him to enjoy wondrous, intimate moments with? > > ... > > ... > > ... > > ... > > ... > > > > (If you are a man reading this...) What would YOUR choice be? > > > (If you are a woman reading this) What would YOUR MAN'S choice be? > > > What Lancelot chose, is given below: > > > BUT... make YOUR choice before you scroll down below... OKAY? > > > > ...? > > > > ...? ? > > > > ...? ? ? > > > > ...? ? ? ? > > > > ...? ? ? ? ? > > > > ...? ? ? ? ? ? > > > > Noble Lancelot knowing the answer the witch gave Arthur to his question said that > he would allow HER to make the choice herself. > > > Upon hearing this, she announced that she would be beautiful all the time because he had respected her enough to let her be in charge of her own life. > > > Now... what is the moral to this story? > > > > ... > > > > ... > > > The moral is... > > > 1) There is a witch in every woman no matter how beautiful she is! > > 2) If you don't let a woman have her own way, things are going to get ugly. > > > So, always remember: > > IT'S EITHER 'HER WAY' OR > > IT'S 'NO WAY' !!! > > regards > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > Women - whether one may understand them or not, whatever adjectives one > > may attribute to them, but let me be honest, I do enjoy women around me, > > and without a woman factor around me, would feel empty in Life, be > > whomeever she may be, wife, sister, daughter, Mother,or just anybody. > > > > Man would always feel incomplete without women ( I am talking about > > normal men, and not abnormals, Yogis, saints etc). > > > > Without her we would not be. > > > > She is both a boon, she is a bane too. > > > > She is the calm, she is the fire too. > > > > She is the loving bosom, she is the scornful glance too. > > > > We can write hundreds of books on women but still when it comes to > > practise, one may not be even able to understand his own wife completely > > after staying 50 years with her. > > > > Actually one may percieve women sometimes as loving, and sometimes as > > spiteful. Not only this, but the same women may sometimes behave > > lovingly and sometimes with disdain. We normally attract love and hatred > > as per the laws of nature which we are bound to, being connected to this > > Mayavic Earth and resultant results of our Karmas, and cannot actually > > blame women at all times for the miserable lot we may be into. > > > > If given a choice I would go back to the first day of marriage and > > change many a lot defects in my nature and become a better, loving > > responsible husband. > > > > anyways...wishes are wishes. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandu2chill ji, > > > > > > Please do chill....and let me add the following by George Bernard Shaw > > > in his famous work Pygmalion [My Fair Lady] to your list of > > quotations.. > > > > > > //Women are irrational, that's all there is to that! Their heads are > > > full of cotton, hay, and rags. They're nothing but exasperating, > > > irritating, vacillating, calculating, agitating, maddening and > > > infuriating hags! // > > > > > > Happy? > > > > > > I am not least angry with you..on the contrary...I enjoyed your mail. > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > nanna_id2006@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu Ji, > > > > > > > > I am also expressing my views and hope our Democratic Moderators > > will > > > approve my message...i also know this is Astrology forum and i am a > > > member of this AIA forum since 3+ Yrs. But for People like you, i feel > > > strongly that, you must be educated on the practicalities of Current > > day > > > affairs especially in Relationship read as Husband and Wife. Kindly > > > note: i do not have anything against you personally, i am against your > > > strong lopesided views and blind beliefs against Men. Refer your below > > > comments...i have a great respect for you as a Woman first and then an > > > active learned member of our AIA forum. > > > > > > > > You quote: > > > > > > > > //Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a man. Reasons may > > > differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife may become > > a > > > tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I am sure the > > > husband is the cause. You may not agree :)// > > > > > > > > Unquote > > > > > > > > Let me start with what our Ancient scriputres say about Women > > > > > > > > 1. Lakshmana (addressing Sita) said: > > > > It is the nature of women all over the world to be vicious, fickle, > > > and sharp-tongued and to sow seeds of dissension. Valmiki Ramayana > > > Aranya Kanda, 45.29 > > > > > > > > 2. Sita said: > > > > In the case of women neither father nor son nor their own body nor > > > mother nor their female companions serve as an asylum here or > > hereafter. > > > The husband alone is their refuge at all times. Valmiki Ramayana > > > Ayodhya Kanda, 27.6 > > > > > > > > 3. " Lord Indra himself has said, 'The mind of woman cannot be > > > disciplined; she has very little intelligence.' " Rig Veda 8.33.17 > > > > > > > > 4. They (women) make a lie appear as truth, and a truth appear as a > > > lie. The Mahabharata Anusasana Parva, Section XXXIX > > > > > > > > 5. Yudhishthira (addressing Bhishma) said: > > > > Women in particular, the Rishis have said, are false in behaviour. > > > Women in particular have been declared in the ordinances to be false. > > In > > > the very Vedas one may read that women are false. The Mahabharata > > > Anusasana Parva, Section XIX > > > > > > > > 6. Ansuya (Rishi Atri's wife) said to Sita: > > > > " A woman is impure by her very birth; but she attains a happy state > > by > > > serving her lord (husband) " . Tulasi Ramayana Aranya Kanda, 5 A-B > > > > > > > > Now as per my personal views by all these above statements/facts Our > > > Rishis/scriptures never de-graded the WOMEN and didn't mean they are > > > weak or infirior to Men on the contrary they gave Highest value, > > freedom > > > and respect to the women folk then. And They new very well that WOMAN > > by > > > itself a Shakti (Power). > > > > > > > > Unforunatly some of the modern day Women and women organaisation(s) > > > using above statements to Instigate other Women and making them Rebel > > > against thier own family read as Husband/Male... > > > > > > > > Women are used as unguided Missiles (Distroy and to be distroyed > > > itself) by Women only... > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " renunw@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kursija ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for birth data of the husband, though I am not least > > competent > > > to judge a person from his birth chart. > > > > > > > > I expressed my views as a woman. [Kindly excuse me...I know this is > > an > > > astrology forum...]. Basically no woman is bad unless provoked by a > > man. > > > Reasons may differ....but men will never understand this. A woman/wife > > > may become a tyrant, I agree...but if you go deep into the matter, I > > am > > > sure the husband is the cause. You may not agree > > > > > > > > Just trying my hand on the birth chart, I can tell you one thing for > > > sure. Men with vargottama Leo rising become difficult husbands, in the > > > sense...may be they are not bad but their arrogance and ego would not > > > allow them to understand the emotions of their wives. Just not one > > > case...but I've noticed this in quite a few couples where marriages > > have > > > ended. Unfortunately I don't have birth data to give you. > > > > > > > > A Leo male native, with Saturn in the 7th house, nearly burnt his > > > first wife to death,divorced and married a career diplomat, became a > > > high flier in the political field and finally had a tragic death. > > > > > > > > That doesn't mean every Leo native with Saturn in the 7th house > > > behaves in this manner. Hence this is no evidence at all to prove my > > > case. > > > > > > > > I know, I have opened the doors to much criticism here. Take my > > > genuine concern for married women in a lighter note. Meanwhile I would > > > like to learn from you, through the native's horoscope why he got a > > > difficult wife. > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > Friday, June 19, 2009, 4:47 PM > > > > Dear Sreeram ji, > > > > > > > > //Kindly convey mine and group's sympathies to > > > > her husband on his fate... (trust the group is with me on > > > > this.....)// > > > > > > > > Usually I don't doubt/challenge your word.....but this is > > > > one sided. Not fair to judge a woman so easily like > > > > this...who knows what her husband is up to. You can't clap > > > > with one hand... > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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