Guest guest Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 dear Su Thanks for wifes chart and ur feed backs The malefics points r almost adjusted in both charts ,but wife as u said can show very determined and may b a sort of tough nature i blv .also aspect of jup on venus and he is sitting in 9th H ,so has good dharmic tendencies i blv ( also jupiterian aspect is there on all dharma trikona s ) again one question is she interested in astrology or alike sastras ??what is her profession ?is it some technical type ?or related to travel or tourism ?the debilation of moon as 5th L and 5th H frm moon sign and the karaka jup is afflicted and with a debilated planet also 5th H frm lagna has ketu influence who is with debilated mercury .may b reasons for No kids ( did she had any problem in child bearing ?? as this is a case of medical intervention i feel ) His chart has some similarity with Prez obama chart ( not exact ) hence i was curious abt debilated vakri jupiter dasa what makes ssome one public shy ??is it debilated planets in Lagna or vakra lagna Lord or planet of action mars debilated --i think our souvik ji was discussing it b4 ,i remebr some where .Moon with merc is good for pursuing intellectual things thanks and rgrds sunil nair is this is her first marriage ?? But jup in 9th H can protect marriages ,but a debilated planet is also there in 9th H( moon ) so cant decide myself . , "vreality_au" <reality_v wrote:>> Dear Sunilji/Manojji/Anitaji> > Thank you for the feedback.> > Anitaji, wife dev some chronic digestive probs few yrs ago with onset of her moon dasa – nothing serious.> > Sunilji, thank you for the welcome. Native was born in average working class family. He is a chartered accountant/IT professional and has a good job. Was a love marriage, so wife was known to him b4 marriage. > > I did not know him during his rahu dasa, but that would've been during his schooling/uni days. He was living with his family then [mum/dad]. V loving harmonious family, mother dotes on him, being the only son, [has one sister.] Gentle peace loving fellow himself. > > > Ju dasa was good for him – marriage [1988], and growth in career, finances.> > Sa dasa some v minor health issues, otherwise no major dramas. Wife is 2 yrs older and foreign. [Was looking for rahu influence on 7th but I suppose Sa's influence would account for tht, and rahu has aspect on ve.] She is an intelligent and determined person who is very protective of him. They don't have any children so all her caring is focused on him. He is rather shy and prefers his intellectual pursuits. > > Natal Chart- wife> > April 26, 1959> Time: 4:55:00 am> Time Zone: 7:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 101 E 42' 00", 3 N 10' 00"> Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vikari - Chaitra> Tithi: Krishna Chaturthi (Me) (84.53% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (78.82% left)> > regards, Su> > , "sunil nair" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > dear su> > > > Thanks for ur mail> > > > happy to see u after long time welcome u to grp .> > > > can u pls giv us some more background information abt the chart> > > > his status of family he born ,his present status ,abt marriage ,is she> > was known b4 etc to him before marriage etc ,wat is his Job> > > > also how was his rahu dasa ,then 2 retros dasas ,jup retro in lagna and> > sani retro in lagna as lagna Lord ( sani dasa is going on now ) ,just> > curious abt the dasa pattern how it is evolved for him> > > > frm his Moon lagna 7th L has gone to 8th H ,but vakra ( moon sign is> > also stronger for him )> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > also do u hav the chart of his wife ?> > > > > > , "vreality_au"> > <reality_v@> wrote:> > >> > > Manoj-ji/Anitaji> > >> > > chart of male with 7L in 6hse conj 6L. Been happily married for 20yrs> > now. Extremely caring wife. Care to shed some light? Ju's aspect on 7th> > perhaps a protecting factor?> > >> > > Natal Chart - Male> > >> > > June 13, 1961> > > Time: 9:10:00 pm> > > Time Zone: 10:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > Place: 151 E 45' 00", 32 S 55' 00"> > > Newcastle, Australia> > >> > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Plava - Nija Jyeshtha> > > Tithi: Sukla Pratipat (Su) (76.50% left)> > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> > > Nakshatra: Mrigasira (Ma) (37.26% left)> > >> > >> > > rgds Su> > >> > >> > >> > > , Manoj Chandran> > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Anita Ji,> > > >> > > > Yes. The 7th lord in the 6th is ominous not only because it is the> > 6th house but also because the lord has gone 12 houses away. 6th house> > is a house of divorce because it facilitates the annulment of marriage.> > Ofcourse there are always exceptions but 6th lord and 7th lord combo is> > never a pleasant one. If you are able to get your hands on the> > Dr.Charak's Astrology magazine archives (they are bound volumes) I> > remember reading articles on the 7th house and he discusses this 7th and> > 6th combo in detail. Many times Dasha/Antar of 7th/6th can lead to> > separation. 2 of my friends got divoced (in India) in their 7th lord/6th> > antar period.> > > >> > > > In general if any lord is gone "dusthana number of houses away" into> > another "dusthana" house, it is "double trouble".> > > >> > > > As a personal example my 5th lord has gone to the 12th (8 houses> > away), aspected by Saturn from 6th and Rahu from 4th (disposited by Sa> > in 6th) that resulted in a chronic condition for my son. Since in my> > chart Jupiter is also the 5th lord also it is magnified trouble.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > -Manoj> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ________________________________> > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@> > > > > > > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:47:16 PM> > > > Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted> > planets.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hi Manoj ji,> > > > He, that is our astrologer had also told me once in passing ( I> > remembered this when I went through your mail) that 6th lord when he is> > in the 7th, it is as if your enemey has become your spouse. Same thing> > holds good if the 7th lord is in the 6th. Interesting is it not?> > > > BTW, I tried to get the book you had recommended "The courageous> > souls" in bangalore. No luck. ((> > > > regards,> > > > Anita> > > >> > > > --- On Tue, 23/6/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4> > exalted planets.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Tuesday, 23 June, 2009, 1:09 PM> > > >> > > > Dear Anita Ji,> > > >> > > > What your astrologer told you is interesting and merits analysis.> > For a Taurus Lagna, Venus being the 7th lord, when placed in Scorpio,> > apart from the "Scorpio effect", it is also the 7th house. So now it is> > LL and Karak for love and marriage (and may be morality as well as> > suggested by Sunil Ji) for a Man's chart. Being placed in Scorpio, in> > the 7th house, we face the problem that Neelam Ji so beautifully> > explained to me to answer my question in JG:> > > > Cornerstone of Bhava analysis is Bhava, Bhavesh, Karak. When the> > Karak is placed in the said Bhava (as in this case Venus in 7th) now you> > have 66% of the "eggs in one basket". Hence any affliction to this Bhava> > (especially Saturn) will be disastrous and almost guarantees multiple> > affairs.. However, if affliction free and if aspected or conjunct a> > strong Jupiter it may not happen. However one problem for this Lagna is> > that Jupiter is also the 8th lord, so he "punches with a velvetted> > fist". So even his aspect is not 100% guarantee. One more factor that> > can curtail it is another point Sunil Ji made, Ketu. Just like Rahu is> > an amplifier, Ketu is "diluter". With his dispassion, he dilutes things.> > So if there is Ketu influence on the 7th or 2nd (Rashi or Navamsha)> > there will be a curtailment of the passionate nature. If in the above> > charts Mars also happens to be in the 7th, watch out !!! Ofcourse LL> > also being Venus this nature could be an "ingrained part of> > > > the persons psyche". So affairs could be part of the nature, not> > just an "opportunistic event".> > > >> > > > Similar logic can be applied for the Libra lagna to a lesser extent> > because now it is the 8th Lord house in the 2nd house. Since 2nd house> > is the Kutumbha sthana and can also produce marriages (and affairs)> > similar reasoning holds but not that serious, as you can easily> > conclude. I would need much more confluence and afflictions to the 7th> > house factors and morality factors in Libra lagna to come to the same> > conclusion as the Taurus Lagna in this situation. the other interesting> > fact is that even for Libra lagna Jp is not a great benefic (owing 3 and> > 6 houses and being Ve not being friendly to Jp) so his aspect may not be> > able to solve all problems.> > > >> > > > Thanks for your contribution to this topic.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > -Manoj> > > >> > > > ash.rsh55 ash.rsh55 >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:15:30 AM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted> > planets.> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw"> > <renunw@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > Dear Renuji,> > > > You have asked about scorpio being the key to infedility.> > > > Actually my family astrologer told me once when I had gone to him to> > clarify a few astrological points where I had a doubt, that when> > matching horoscopes, one of the most important things to notice is if> > the lagna is taurus, or libra and venus as lagna lord is in scorpio, (> > he says it is a house of secrets) I should not entertain any boy with> > such a combination for my daughter or any other girl in our family. He> > says, it is a guarantee that the person will have any number of> > relationships in his/her life.> > > > FYI only.> > > > Anita> > > >> > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > >> > > > > Why do you say the key to infidelity ......is the sign Scorpio?> > > > >> > > > > //with the exception of Sun and Mercury all other grahas are> > related to scorpio.//> > > > >> > > > > Why there is no Rashi dhrishti on Scorpio by Sun and Mercury? Did> > you consider Jaimini aspects? If so, from Aries Sun & Mer do have RAshi> > dhrishti on Scorpio.....> > > > >> > > > > Please enlighten me...thanks.> > > > >> > > > > blessings,> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran> > <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Anantha Krishnan Ji, Renu Ji and all,> > > > > >> > > > > > The key to infedility of the spouse in this chart is once again> > the sign of scorpio and nakshatras related to infedility in addittion to> > the other factors. Consider the following:> > > > > >> > > > > > Sa in Scorpio in Anuradha> > > > > > Ra in Scorpio in Jyestha> > > > > > Ve and Mo in Rohini> > > > > > All three nakshatras above are related to infedility, eloping,> > seduction etc.> > > > > > Plus Ju is in Asresha (a secretive nakshatra) whose dispositor> > Moon is in Rohini> > > > > > Also Ju, Ma have rashi dhrishti on scorpio> > > > > > Ve, Mo have graha dhrishti on scorpio> > > > > > So in effect, in the Rashi chart, with the exception of Sun and> > Mercury all other grahas are related to scorpio.> > > > > >> > > > > > This exception is taken care of in the Navamsha Chart.> > > > > > In the D-9, Mo, Me have rashi dhrishti on scorpio, from Cancer> > > > > > Sun also has rashi dhrishti on scorpio from Aries.> > > > > >> > > > > > Especially Rashi dhrishti of Moon and Mercury on Scorpio is very> > significant in D-9 since now you have both Manas and Budhi affected by> > Scorpio.> > > > > >> > > > > > The only difficulty I have seen is that we need to determine> > carefully if it is the Native who will me having an affair or is it the> > native's spouse? In this case since the native's 9th lord is exalted and> > his dispositor is also exalted, could be what prevented this native from> > having an affair herself.> > > > > >> > > > > > Her spouses matter on the other hand is clear if you take the> > 7th house as the lagna.> > > > > > From the 7th as lagna, you have Su and Mercury in the 7th.> > > > > > Just to have some fun on Sreeram Srinivas Ji, Me is "Marana> > Karaka Sthana"> > > > > > Back to seriousness, Su and Me in the 7th is obviously bad news.> > But more importantly Sun is the 11th lord in the 7th house. So 11th lord> > is a multiplier, Mercury is also a multiplier and he is also the 12th> > lord. This clearly indicates the spouse bringing multiple people in to> > his 7th bhava.> > > > > > 7th lord Ma is exalted in 4th house And 5th lord of morality Sa> > is in the 12th, scorpio, etc conjunct Rahu.> > > > > >> > > > > > I have also noticed that Jupiter's aspect does not always curb> > such behaviour. It can even enlarge it in some cases. Especially when Jp> > is in the signs of Venus. Even in the sign of Moon he does not do such a> > great job curbing these instincts, especially when Moon is in the sign> > of Venus.> > > > > >> > > > > > Renu Ji, this person may have had (may still have due to Saturn> > dasha) relationship( s) with not one but more than one woman (outside> > marriage). I agree with Suni Ji that Jupiters aspect from a Kendra to> > the 8th house of Mangal Suthra is what keeps this marriage going.> > Ironically it may have also helped to keep the affair going as well.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > Anantha Krishnan <anantha_krishnan_ 98@>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:44:49 AM> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4> > exalted planets.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Renu Ji and others:> > > > > > If you consider from the moon, Mars happens to be in the eighth> > bhava from the moon and it looks like there is Mars dosha. It also> > looses the Jupiter's aspect, since Jupiter moves to the fifth bhava.> > Also Parasura talks about multiple wifes if the seventh Lord is in the> > second house - it could be the reason for the affair. The fact that> > Venus is in its own house is the probable reason for her continued love> > regardless of the affair. Of course, this is post mortem analysis and it> > is easy to deduce. One thing I would have indicated is the Mars dosha-> > dosha in the seventh and eighth house is more involved than the other> > houses and I always look at the bhava chart for Mars dosha as per B.V.> > Raman's advice.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > anantha krishnan> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Sat, 6/20/09, renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4> > exalted planets.> > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > >Saturday, June 20, 2009, 10:31 AM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >Dear learned members,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >This lady has 4 exalted planets. Su, Mo, Ju and Mars. No Mars> > dosha. But husband had a serious illicit affair with another woman.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >May be her exalted planets did not allow her to lodge true> > complaints at the police station against his infidelity. On the other> > hand she never stopped loving him. The family never broke.... I believe.> > I have not met them for a long time.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >Natal Chart> > > > > > >> > > > > > >April 15, 1956> > > > > > >Time: 6:18:00> > > > > > >Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > >Place: 79 E 50' 00", 6 N 55' 00"> > > > > > >Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > > > >> > > > > > >blessings,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >Renu> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > ICC World Twenty20 England & #39;09 exclusively on ! CRICKET> > http://cricket. > > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Sunilji - not sure if reply went thru as I got an erro msg upon pressing 'send'...if msg doesnt appear shall reply again....sigh...after all tht typing..wish I had copied Su , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > dear Su > > Thanks for wifes chart and ur feed backs > > The malefics points r almost adjusted in both charts ,but wife as u said > can show very determined and may b a sort of tough nature i blv . > > also aspect of jup on venus and he is sitting in 9th H ,so has good > dharmic tendencies i blv ( also jupiterian aspect is there on all dharma > trikona s ) > > again one question is she interested in astrology or alike sastras > ??what is her profession ?is it some technical type ?or related to > travel or tourism ? > > the debilation of moon as 5th L and 5th H frm moon sign and the karaka > jup is afflicted and with a debilated planet also 5th H frm lagna has > ketu influence who is with debilated mercury .may b reasons for No kids > ( did she had any problem in child bearing ?? as this is a case of > medical intervention i feel ) > > His chart has some similarity with Prez obama chart ( not exact ) hence > i was curious abt debilated vakri jupiter dasa > what makes ssome one public shy ??is it debilated planets in Lagna or > vakra lagna Lord or planet of action mars debilated --i think our souvik > ji was discussing it b4 ,i remebr some where .Moon with merc is good for > pursuing intellectual things > > thanks and rgrds sunil nair > > is this is her first marriage ?? But jup in 9th H can protect marriages > ,but a debilated planet is also there in 9th H( moon ) so cant decide > myself . > > > > > > , " vreality_au " > <reality_v@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunilji/Manojji/Anitaji > > > > Thank you for the feedback. > > > > Anitaji, wife dev some chronic digestive probs few yrs ago with onset > of her moon dasa – nothing serious. > > > > Sunilji, thank you for the welcome. Native was born in average working > class family. He is a chartered accountant/IT professional and has a > good job. Was a love marriage, so wife was known to him b4 marriage. > > > > I did not know him during his rahu dasa, but that would've been > during his schooling/uni days. He was living with his family then > [mum/dad]. V loving harmonious family, mother dotes on him, being the > only son, [has one sister.] Gentle peace loving fellow himself. > > > > > > Ju dasa was good for him – marriage [1988], and growth in career, > finances. > > > > Sa dasa some v minor health issues, otherwise no major dramas. Wife is > 2 yrs older and foreign. [Was looking for rahu influence on 7th but I > suppose Sa's influence would account for tht, and rahu has aspect on > ve.] She is an intelligent and determined person who is very protective > of him. They don't have any children so all her caring is focused on > him. He is rather shy and prefers his intellectual pursuits. > > > > Natal Chart- wife > > > > April 26, 1959 > > Time: 4:55:00 am > > Time Zone: 7:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 101 E 42' 00 " , 3 N 10' 00 " > > Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vikari - Chaitra > > Tithi: Krishna Chaturthi (Me) (84.53% left) > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa) > > Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (78.82% left) > > > > regards, Su > > > > , " sunil nair " > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > dear su > > > > > > Thanks for ur mail > > > > > > happy to see u after long time welcome u to grp . > > > > > > can u pls giv us some more background information abt the chart > > > > > > his status of family he born ,his present status ,abt marriage ,is > she > > > was known b4 etc to him before marriage etc ,wat is his Job > > > > > > also how was his rahu dasa ,then 2 retros dasas ,jup retro in lagna > and > > > sani retro in lagna as lagna Lord ( sani dasa is going on now ) > ,just > > > curious abt the dasa pattern how it is evolved for him > > > > > > frm his Moon lagna 7th L has gone to 8th H ,but vakra ( moon sign > is > > > also stronger for him ) > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > also do u hav the chart of his wife ? > > > > > > > > > , " vreality_au " > > > <reality_v@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Manoj-ji/Anitaji > > > > > > > > chart of male with 7L in 6hse conj 6L. Been happily married for > 20yrs > > > now. Extremely caring wife. Care to shed some light? Ju's aspect on > 7th > > > perhaps a protecting factor? > > > > > > > > Natal Chart - Male > > > > > > > > June 13, 1961 > > > > Time: 9:10:00 pm > > > > Time Zone: 10:00:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 151 E 45' 00 " , 32 S 55' 00 " > > > > Newcastle, Australia > > > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Plava - Nija Jyeshtha > > > > Tithi: Sukla Pratipat (Su) (76.50% left) > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma) > > > > Nakshatra: Mrigasira (Ma) (37.26% left) > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds Su > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Chandran > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > > > > > Yes. The 7th lord in the 6th is ominous not only because it is > the > > > 6th house but also because the lord has gone 12 houses away. 6th > house > > > is a house of divorce because it facilitates the annulment of > marriage. > > > Ofcourse there are always exceptions but 6th lord and 7th lord combo > is > > > never a pleasant one. If you are able to get your hands on the > > > Dr.Charak's Astrology magazine archives (they are bound volumes) I > > > remember reading articles on the 7th house and he discusses this 7th > and > > > 6th combo in detail. Many times Dasha/Antar of 7th/6th can lead to > > > separation. 2 of my friends got divoced (in India) in their 7th > lord/6th > > > antar period. > > > > > > > > > > In general if any lord is gone " dusthana number of houses away " > into > > > another " dusthana " house, it is " double trouble " . > > > > > > > > > > As a personal example my 5th lord has gone to the 12th (8 houses > > > away), aspected by Saturn from 6th and Rahu from 4th (disposited by > Sa > > > in 6th) that resulted in a chronic condition for my son. Since in my > > > chart Jupiter is also the 5th lord also it is magnified trouble. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:47:16 PM > > > > > Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 > exalted > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Manoj ji, > > > > > He, that is our astrologer had also told me once in passing ( I > > > remembered this when I went through your mail) that 6th lord when he > is > > > in the 7th, it is as if your enemey has become your spouse. Same > thing > > > holds good if the 7th lord is in the 6th. Interesting is it not? > > > > > BTW, I tried to get the book you had recommended " The courageous > > > souls " in bangalore. No luck. (( > > > > > regards, > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/6/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 > > > exalted planets. > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Tuesday, 23 June, 2009, 1:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > > > > > What your astrologer told you is interesting and merits > analysis. > > > For a Taurus Lagna, Venus being the 7th lord, when placed in > Scorpio, > > > apart from the " Scorpio effect " , it is also the 7th house. So now it > is > > > LL and Karak for love and marriage (and may be morality as well as > > > suggested by Sunil Ji) for a Man's chart. Being placed in Scorpio, > in > > > the 7th house, we face the problem that Neelam Ji so beautifully > > > explained to me to answer my question in JG: > > > > > Cornerstone of Bhava analysis is Bhava, Bhavesh, Karak. When the > > > Karak is placed in the said Bhava (as in this case Venus in 7th) now > you > > > have 66% of the " eggs in one basket " . Hence any affliction to this > Bhava > > > (especially Saturn) will be disastrous and almost guarantees > multiple > > > affairs.. However, if affliction free and if aspected or conjunct a > > > strong Jupiter it may not happen. However one problem for this Lagna > is > > > that Jupiter is also the 8th lord, so he " punches with a velvetted > > > fist " . So even his aspect is not 100% guarantee. One more factor > that > > > can curtail it is another point Sunil Ji made, Ketu. Just like Rahu > is > > > an amplifier, Ketu is " diluter " . With his dispassion, he dilutes > things. > > > So if there is Ketu influence on the 7th or 2nd (Rashi or Navamsha) > > > there will be a curtailment of the passionate nature. If in the > above > > > charts Mars also happens to be in the 7th, watch out !!! Ofcourse LL > > > also being Venus this nature could be an " ingrained part of > > > > > the persons psyche " . So affairs could be part of the nature, not > > > just an " opportunistic event " . > > > > > > > > > > Similar logic can be applied for the Libra lagna to a lesser > extent > > > because now it is the 8th Lord house in the 2nd house. Since 2nd > house > > > is the Kutumbha sthana and can also produce marriages (and affairs) > > > similar reasoning holds but not that serious, as you can easily > > > conclude. I would need much more confluence and afflictions to the > 7th > > > house factors and morality factors in Libra lagna to come to the > same > > > conclusion as the Taurus Lagna in this situation. the other > interesting > > > fact is that even for Libra lagna Jp is not a great benefic (owing 3 > and > > > 6 houses and being Ve not being friendly to Jp) so his aspect may > not be > > > able to solve all problems. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your contribution to this topic. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ash.rsh55 ash.rsh55 > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:15:30 AM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 > exalted > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " > > > <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renuji, > > > > > You have asked about scorpio being the key to infedility. > > > > > Actually my family astrologer told me once when I had gone to > him to > > > clarify a few astrological points where I had a doubt, that when > > > matching horoscopes, one of the most important things to notice is > if > > > the lagna is taurus, or libra and venus as lagna lord is in scorpio, > ( > > > he says it is a house of secrets) I should not entertain any boy > with > > > such a combination for my daughter or any other girl in our family. > He > > > says, it is a guarantee that the person will have any number of > > > relationships in his/her life. > > > > > FYI only. > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you say the key to infidelity ......is the sign > Scorpio? > > > > > > > > > > > > //with the exception of Sun and Mercury all other grahas are > > > related to scorpio.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Why there is no Rashi dhrishti on Scorpio by Sun and Mercury? > Did > > > you consider Jaimini aspects? If so, from Aries Sun & Mer do have > RAshi > > > dhrishti on Scorpio..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Please enlighten me...thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj > Chandran > > > <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anantha Krishnan Ji, Renu Ji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The key to infedility of the spouse in this chart is once > again > > > the sign of scorpio and nakshatras related to infedility in > addittion to > > > the other factors. Consider the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa in Scorpio in Anuradha > > > > > > > Ra in Scorpio in Jyestha > > > > > > > Ve and Mo in Rohini > > > > > > > All three nakshatras above are related to infedility, > eloping, > > > seduction etc. > > > > > > > Plus Ju is in Asresha (a secretive nakshatra) whose > dispositor > > > Moon is in Rohini > > > > > > > Also Ju, Ma have rashi dhrishti on scorpio > > > > > > > Ve, Mo have graha dhrishti on scorpio > > > > > > > So in effect, in the Rashi chart, with the exception of Sun > and > > > Mercury all other grahas are related to scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This exception is taken care of in the Navamsha Chart. > > > > > > > In the D-9, Mo, Me have rashi dhrishti on scorpio, from > Cancer > > > > > > > Sun also has rashi dhrishti on scorpio from Aries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Especially Rashi dhrishti of Moon and Mercury on Scorpio is > very > > > significant in D-9 since now you have both Manas and Budhi affected > by > > > Scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only difficulty I have seen is that we need to determine > > > carefully if it is the Native who will me having an affair or is it > the > > > native's spouse? In this case since the native's 9th lord is exalted > and > > > his dispositor is also exalted, could be what prevented this native > from > > > having an affair herself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Her spouses matter on the other hand is clear if you take > the > > > 7th house as the lagna. > > > > > > > From the 7th as lagna, you have Su and Mercury in the 7th. > > > > > > > Just to have some fun on Sreeram Srinivas Ji, Me is " Marana > > > Karaka Sthana " > > > > > > > Back to seriousness, Su and Me in the 7th is obviously bad > news. > > > But more importantly Sun is the 11th lord in the 7th house. So 11th > lord > > > is a multiplier, Mercury is also a multiplier and he is also the > 12th > > > lord. This clearly indicates the spouse bringing multiple people in > to > > > his 7th bhava. > > > > > > > 7th lord Ma is exalted in 4th house And 5th lord of morality > Sa > > > is in the 12th, scorpio, etc conjunct Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have also noticed that Jupiter's aspect does not always > curb > > > such behaviour. It can even enlarge it in some cases. Especially > when Jp > > > is in the signs of Venus. Even in the sign of Moon he does not do > such a > > > great job curbing these instincts, especially when Moon is in the > sign > > > of Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu Ji, this person may have had (may still have due to > Saturn > > > dasha) relationship( s) with not one but more than one woman > (outside > > > marriage). I agree with Suni Ji that Jupiters aspect from a Kendra > to > > > the 8th house of Mangal Suthra is what keeps this marriage going. > > > Ironically it may have also helped to keep the affair going as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Anantha Krishnan <anantha_krishnan_ 98@> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:44:49 AM > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 > > > exalted planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu Ji and others: > > > > > > > If you consider from the moon, Mars happens to be in the > eighth > > > bhava from the moon and it looks like there is Mars dosha. It also > > > looses the Jupiter's aspect, since Jupiter moves to the fifth > bhava. > > > Also Parasura talks about multiple wifes if the seventh Lord is in > the > > > second house - it could be the reason for the affair. The fact that > > > Venus is in its own house is the probable reason for her continued > love > > > regardless of the affair. Of course, this is post mortem analysis > and it > > > is easy to deduce. One thing I would have indicated is the Mars > dosha- > > > dosha in the seventh and eighth house is more involved than the > other > > > houses and I always look at the bhava chart for Mars dosha as per > B.V. > > > Raman's advice. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > anantha krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 6/20/09, renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 > > > exalted planets. > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > >Saturday, June 20, 2009, 10:31 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear learned members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This lady has 4 exalted planets. Su, Mo, Ju and Mars. No > Mars > > > dosha. But husband had a serious illicit affair with another woman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >May be her exalted planets did not allow her to lodge true > > > complaints at the police station against his infidelity. On the > other > > > hand she never stopped loving him. The family never broke.... I > believe. > > > I have not met them for a long time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >April 15, 1956 > > > > > > > >Time: 6:18:00 > > > > > > > >Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > >Place: 79 E 50' 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > >Colombo, Sri Lanka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ICC World Twenty20 England & #39;09 exclusively on ! CRICKET > > > http://cricket. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2009 Report Share Posted June 28, 2009 Dear su Pls repost it i am sure that no mail has reached to us rgrds sunil nair , "vreality_au" <reality_v wrote:>> Sunilji - not sure if reply went thru as I got an erro msg upon pressing 'send'...if msg doesnt appear shall reply again....sigh...after all tht typing..wish I had copied > > Su> > , "sunil nair" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > dear Su> > > > Thanks for wifes chart and ur feed backs> > > > The malefics points r almost adjusted in both charts ,but wife as u said> > can show very determined and may b a sort of tough nature i blv .> > > > also aspect of jup on venus and he is sitting in 9th H ,so has good> > dharmic tendencies i blv ( also jupiterian aspect is there on all dharma> > trikona s )> > > > again one question is she interested in astrology or alike sastras> > ??what is her profession ?is it some technical type ?or related to> > travel or tourism ?> > > > the debilation of moon as 5th L and 5th H frm moon sign and the karaka> > jup is afflicted and with a debilated planet also 5th H frm lagna has> > ketu influence who is with debilated mercury .may b reasons for No kids> > ( did she had any problem in child bearing ?? as this is a case of> > medical intervention i feel )> > > > His chart has some similarity with Prez obama chart ( not exact ) hence> > i was curious abt debilated vakri jupiter dasa> > what makes ssome one public shy ??is it debilated planets in Lagna or> > vakra lagna Lord or planet of action mars debilated --i think our souvik> > ji was discussing it b4 ,i remebr some where .Moon with merc is good for> > pursuing intellectual things> > > > thanks and rgrds sunil nair> > > > is this is her first marriage ?? But jup in 9th H can protect marriages> > ,but a debilated planet is also there in 9th H( moon ) so cant decide> > myself .> > > > > > > > > > > > , "vreality_au"> > <reality_v@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunilji/Manojji/Anitaji> > >> > > Thank you for the feedback.> > >> > > Anitaji, wife dev some chronic digestive probs few yrs ago with onset> > of her moon dasa – nothing serious.> > >> > > Sunilji, thank you for the welcome. Native was born in average working> > class family. He is a chartered accountant/IT professional and has a> > good job. Was a love marriage, so wife was known to him b4 marriage.> > >> > > I did not know him during his rahu dasa, but that would've been> > during his schooling/uni days. He was living with his family then> > [mum/dad]. V loving harmonious family, mother dotes on him, being the> > only son, [has one sister.] Gentle peace loving fellow himself.> > >> > >> > > Ju dasa was good for him – marriage [1988], and growth in career,> > finances.> > >> > > Sa dasa some v minor health issues, otherwise no major dramas. Wife is> > 2 yrs older and foreign. [Was looking for rahu influence on 7th but I> > suppose Sa's influence would account for tht, and rahu has aspect on> > ve.] She is an intelligent and determined person who is very protective> > of him. They don't have any children so all her caring is focused on> > him. He is rather shy and prefers his intellectual pursuits.> > >> > > Natal Chart- wife> > >> > > April 26, 1959> > > Time: 4:55:00 am> > > Time Zone: 7:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > Place: 101 E 42' 00", 3 N 10' 00"> > > Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia> > >> > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vikari - Chaitra> > > Tithi: Krishna Chaturthi (Me) (84.53% left)> > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (78.82% left)> > >> > > regards, Su> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > dear su> > > >> > > > Thanks for ur mail> > > >> > > > happy to see u after long time welcome u to grp .> > > >> > > > can u pls giv us some more background information abt the chart> > > >> > > > his status of family he born ,his present status ,abt marriage ,is> > she> > > > was known b4 etc to him before marriage etc ,wat is his Job> > > >> > > > also how was his rahu dasa ,then 2 retros dasas ,jup retro in lagna> > and> > > > sani retro in lagna as lagna Lord ( sani dasa is going on now )> > ,just> > > > curious abt the dasa pattern how it is evolved for him> > > >> > > > frm his Moon lagna 7th L has gone to 8th H ,but vakra ( moon sign> > is> > > > also stronger for him )> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > also do u hav the chart of his wife ?> > > >> > > >> > > > , "vreality_au"> > > > <reality_v@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Manoj-ji/Anitaji> > > > >> > > > > chart of male with 7L in 6hse conj 6L. Been happily married for> > 20yrs> > > > now. Extremely caring wife. Care to shed some light? Ju's aspect on> > 7th> > > > perhaps a protecting factor?> > > > >> > > > > Natal Chart - Male> > > > >> > > > > June 13, 1961> > > > > Time: 9:10:00 pm> > > > > Time Zone: 10:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > Place: 151 E 45' 00", 32 S 55' 00"> > > > > Newcastle, Australia> > > > >> > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Plava - Nija Jyeshtha> > > > > Tithi: Sukla Pratipat (Su) (76.50% left)> > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> > > > > Nakshatra: Mrigasira (Ma) (37.26% left)> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > rgds Su> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , Manoj Chandran> > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Anita Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes. The 7th lord in the 6th is ominous not only because it is> > the> > > > 6th house but also because the lord has gone 12 houses away. 6th> > house> > > > is a house of divorce because it facilitates the annulment of> > marriage.> > > > Ofcourse there are always exceptions but 6th lord and 7th lord combo> > is> > > > never a pleasant one. If you are able to get your hands on the> > > > Dr.Charak's Astrology magazine archives (they are bound volumes) I> > > > remember reading articles on the 7th house and he discusses this 7th> > and> > > > 6th combo in detail. Many times Dasha/Antar of 7th/6th can lead to> > > > separation. 2 of my friends got divoced (in India) in their 7th> > lord/6th> > > > antar period.> > > > > >> > > > > > In general if any lord is gone "dusthana number of houses away"> > into> > > > another "dusthana" house, it is "double trouble".> > > > > >> > > > > > As a personal example my 5th lord has gone to the 12th (8 houses> > > > away), aspected by Saturn from 6th and Rahu from 4th (disposited by> > Sa> > > > in 6th) that resulted in a chronic condition for my son. Since in my> > > > chart Jupiter is also the 5th lord also it is magnified trouble.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@> > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:47:16 PM> > > > > > Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4> > exalted> > > > planets.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Manoj ji,> > > > > > He, that is our astrologer had also told me once in passing ( I> > > > remembered this when I went through your mail) that 6th lord when he> > is> > > > in the 7th, it is as if your enemey has become your spouse. Same> > thing> > > > holds good if the 7th lord is in the 6th. Interesting is it not?> > > > > > BTW, I tried to get the book you had recommended "The courageous> > > > souls" in bangalore. No luck. ((> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Anita> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/6/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4> > > > exalted planets.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Tuesday, 23 June, 2009, 1:09 PM> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Anita Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > What your astrologer told you is interesting and merits> > analysis.> > > > For a Taurus Lagna, Venus being the 7th lord, when placed in> > Scorpio,> > > > apart from the "Scorpio effect", it is also the 7th house. So now it> > is> > > > LL and Karak for love and marriage (and may be morality as well as> > > > suggested by Sunil Ji) for a Man's chart. Being placed in Scorpio,> > in> > > > the 7th house, we face the problem that Neelam Ji so beautifully> > > > explained to me to answer my question in JG:> > > > > > Cornerstone of Bhava analysis is Bhava, Bhavesh, Karak. When the> > > > Karak is placed in the said Bhava (as in this case Venus in 7th) now> > you> > > > have 66% of the "eggs in one basket". Hence any affliction to this> > Bhava> > > > (especially Saturn) will be disastrous and almost guarantees> > multiple> > > > affairs.. However, if affliction free and if aspected or conjunct a> > > > strong Jupiter it may not happen. However one problem for this Lagna> > is> > > > that Jupiter is also the 8th lord, so he "punches with a velvetted> > > > fist". So even his aspect is not 100% guarantee. One more factor> > that> > > > can curtail it is another point Sunil Ji made, Ketu. Just like Rahu> > is> > > > an amplifier, Ketu is "diluter". With his dispassion, he dilutes> > things.> > > > So if there is Ketu influence on the 7th or 2nd (Rashi or Navamsha)> > > > there will be a curtailment of the passionate nature. If in the> > above> > > > charts Mars also happens to be in the 7th, watch out !!! Ofcourse LL> > > > also being Venus this nature could be an "ingrained part of> > > > > > the persons psyche". So affairs could be part of the nature, not> > > > just an "opportunistic event".> > > > > >> > > > > > Similar logic can be applied for the Libra lagna to a lesser> > extent> > > > because now it is the 8th Lord house in the 2nd house. Since 2nd> > house> > > > is the Kutumbha sthana and can also produce marriages (and affairs)> > > > similar reasoning holds but not that serious, as you can easily> > > > conclude. I would need much more confluence and afflictions to the> > 7th> > > > house factors and morality factors in Libra lagna to come to the> > same> > > > conclusion as the Taurus Lagna in this situation. the other> > interesting> > > > fact is that even for Libra lagna Jp is not a great benefic (owing 3> > and> > > > 6 houses and being Ve not being friendly to Jp) so his aspect may> > not be> > > > able to solve all problems.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for your contribution to this topic.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > >> > > > > > ash.rsh55 ash.rsh55 >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:15:30 AM> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4> > exalted> > > > planets.> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw"> > > > <renunw@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Renuji,> > > > > > You have asked about scorpio being the key to infedility.> > > > > > Actually my family astrologer told me once when I had gone to> > him to> > > > clarify a few astrological points where I had a doubt, that when> > > > matching horoscopes, one of the most important things to notice is> > if> > > > the lagna is taurus, or libra and venus as lagna lord is in scorpio,> > (> > > > he says it is a house of secrets) I should not entertain any boy> > with> > > > such a combination for my daughter or any other girl in our family.> > He> > > > says, it is a guarantee that the person will have any number of> > > > relationships in his/her life.> > > > > > FYI only.> > > > > > Anita> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Why do you say the key to infidelity ......is the sign> > Scorpio?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //with the exception of Sun and Mercury all other grahas are> > > > related to scorpio.//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Why there is no Rashi dhrishti on Scorpio by Sun and Mercury?> > Did> > > > you consider Jaimini aspects? If so, from Aries Sun & Mer do have> > RAshi> > > > dhrishti on Scorpio.....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Please enlighten me...thanks.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > Chandran> > > > <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Anantha Krishnan Ji, Renu Ji and all,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The key to infedility of the spouse in this chart is once> > again> > > > the sign of scorpio and nakshatras related to infedility in> > addittion to> > > > the other factors. Consider the following:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sa in Scorpio in Anuradha> > > > > > > > Ra in Scorpio in Jyestha> > > > > > > > Ve and Mo in Rohini> > > > > > > > All three nakshatras above are related to infedility,> > eloping,> > > > seduction etc.> > > > > > > > Plus Ju is in Asresha (a secretive nakshatra) whose> > dispositor> > > > Moon is in Rohini> > > > > > > > Also Ju, Ma have rashi dhrishti on scorpio> > > > > > > > Ve, Mo have graha dhrishti on scorpio> > > > > > > > So in effect, in the Rashi chart, with the exception of Sun> > and> > > > Mercury all other grahas are related to scorpio.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This exception is taken care of in the Navamsha Chart.> > > > > > > > In the D-9, Mo, Me have rashi dhrishti on scorpio, from> > Cancer> > > > > > > > Sun also has rashi dhrishti on scorpio from Aries.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Especially Rashi dhrishti of Moon and Mercury on Scorpio is> > very> > > > significant in D-9 since now you have both Manas and Budhi affected> > by> > > > Scorpio.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The only difficulty I have seen is that we need to determine> > > > carefully if it is the Native who will me having an affair or is it> > the> > > > native's spouse? In this case since the native's 9th lord is exalted> > and> > > > his dispositor is also exalted, could be what prevented this native> > from> > > > having an affair herself.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Her spouses matter on the other hand is clear if you take> > the> > > > 7th house as the lagna.> > > > > > > > From the 7th as lagna, you have Su and Mercury in the 7th.> > > > > > > > Just to have some fun on Sreeram Srinivas Ji, Me is "Marana> > > > Karaka Sthana"> > > > > > > > Back to seriousness, Su and Me in the 7th is obviously bad> > news.> > > > But more importantly Sun is the 11th lord in the 7th house. So 11th> > lord> > > > is a multiplier, Mercury is also a multiplier and he is also the> > 12th> > > > lord. This clearly indicates the spouse bringing multiple people in> > to> > > > his 7th bhava.> > > > > > > > 7th lord Ma is exalted in 4th house And 5th lord of morality> > Sa> > > > is in the 12th, scorpio, etc conjunct Rahu.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have also noticed that Jupiter's aspect does not always> > curb> > > > such behaviour. It can even enlarge it in some cases. Especially> > when Jp> > > > is in the signs of Venus. Even in the sign of Moon he does not do> > such a> > > > great job curbing these instincts, especially when Moon is in the> > sign> > > > of Venus.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Renu Ji, this person may have had (may still have due to> > Saturn> > > > dasha) relationship( s) with not one but more than one woman> > (outside> > > > marriage). I agree with Suni Ji that Jupiters aspect from a Kendra> > to> > > > the 8th house of Mangal Suthra is what keeps this marriage going.> > > > Ironically it may have also helped to keep the affair going as well.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > Anantha Krishnan <anantha_krishnan_ 98@>> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:44:49 AM> > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4> > > > exalted planets.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Renu Ji and others:> > > > > > > > If you consider from the moon, Mars happens to be in the> > eighth> > > > bhava from the moon and it looks like there is Mars dosha. It also> > > > looses the Jupiter's aspect, since Jupiter moves to the fifth> > bhava.> > > > Also Parasura talks about multiple wifes if the seventh Lord is in> > the> > > > second house - it could be the reason for the affair. The fact that> > > > Venus is in its own house is the probable reason for her continued> > love> > > > regardless of the affair. Of course, this is post mortem analysis> > and it> > > > is easy to deduce. One thing I would have indicated is the Mars> > dosha-> > > > dosha in the seventh and eighth house is more involved than the> > other> > > > houses and I always look at the bhava chart for Mars dosha as per> > B.V.> > > > Raman's advice.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > anantha krishnan> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 6/20/09, renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > > > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4> > > > exalted planets.> > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > >Saturday, June 20, 2009, 10:31 AM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Dear learned members,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >This lady has 4 exalted planets. Su, Mo, Ju and Mars. No> > Mars> > > > dosha. But husband had a serious illicit affair with another woman.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >May be her exalted planets did not allow her to lodge true> > > > complaints at the police station against his infidelity. On the> > other> > > > hand she never stopped loving him. The family never broke.... I> > believe.> > > > I have not met them for a long time.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Natal Chart> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >April 15, 1956> > > > > > > > >Time: 6:18:00> > > > > > > > >Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > >Place: 79 E 50' 00", 6 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > > >Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >blessings,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >Renu> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ICC World Twenty20 England & #39;09 exclusively on ! CRICKET> > > > http://cricket. > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Dear Sunilji Pls forgive me for the delayed reply - was busy with o/s guest. This is prob stale subject by now, but nevertheless : Yes detemined tenacious nature but also v emotional. Has a keen mind for detail. Yes dharmic person who always acts according to her conscience. No, she is not interested in sastras or astrology or religion - not at all. No, profession not related to tourism or travel. She owned a business [power tools] but sold it a few yrs ago. Re children, both had not been interested in having children, though i think they tried unsuccessfully for awhile but didnt pursue it further. This is her 2nd marriage. First was in her early 20s and only lasted a short while. Tht was clever of you to pick tht. I inquired about her husbands rahu dasa - it was also trouble free, and his mother confirms tht his birthdata is accurate. Thank you for your inputs, and my apologies again for the delayed repost. warm rdgs Su , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > dear Su > > Thanks for wifes chart and ur feed backs > > The malefics points r almost adjusted in both charts ,but wife as u said > can show very determined and may b a sort of tough nature i blv . > > also aspect of jup on venus and he is sitting in 9th H ,so has good > dharmic tendencies i blv ( also jupiterian aspect is there on all dharma > trikona s ) > > again one question is she interested in astrology or alike sastras > ??what is her profession ?is it some technical type ?or related to > travel or tourism ? > > the debilation of moon as 5th L and 5th H frm moon sign and the karaka > jup is afflicted and with a debilated planet also 5th H frm lagna has > ketu influence who is with debilated mercury .may b reasons for No kids > ( did she had any problem in child bearing ?? as this is a case of > medical intervention i feel ) > > His chart has some similarity with Prez obama chart ( not exact ) hence > i was curious abt debilated vakri jupiter dasa > what makes ssome one public shy ??is it debilated planets in Lagna or > vakra lagna Lord or planet of action mars debilated --i think our souvik > ji was discussing it b4 ,i remebr some where .Moon with merc is good for > pursuing intellectual things > > thanks and rgrds sunil nair > > is this is her first marriage ?? But jup in 9th H can protect marriages > ,but a debilated planet is also there in 9th H( moon ) so cant decide > myself . > > > > > > , " vreality_au " > <reality_v@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunilji/Manojji/Anitaji > > > > Thank you for the feedback. > > > > Anitaji, wife dev some chronic digestive probs few yrs ago with onset > of her moon dasa – nothing serious. > > > > Sunilji, thank you for the welcome. Native was born in average working > class family. He is a chartered accountant/IT professional and has a > good job. Was a love marriage, so wife was known to him b4 marriage. > > > > I did not know him during his rahu dasa, but that would've been > during his schooling/uni days. He was living with his family then > [mum/dad]. V loving harmonious family, mother dotes on him, being the > only son, [has one sister.] Gentle peace loving fellow himself. > > > > > > Ju dasa was good for him – marriage [1988], and growth in career, > finances. > > > > Sa dasa some v minor health issues, otherwise no major dramas. Wife is > 2 yrs older and foreign. [Was looking for rahu influence on 7th but I > suppose Sa's influence would account for tht, and rahu has aspect on > ve.] She is an intelligent and determined person who is very protective > of him. They don't have any children so all her caring is focused on > him. He is rather shy and prefers his intellectual pursuits. > > > > Natal Chart- wife > > > > April 26, 1959 > > Time: 4:55:00 am > > Time Zone: 7:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 101 E 42' 00 " , 3 N 10' 00 " > > Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vikari - Chaitra > > Tithi: Krishna Chaturthi (Me) (84.53% left) > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa) > > Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (78.82% left) > > > > regards, Su > > > > , " sunil nair " > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > dear su > > > > > > Thanks for ur mail > > > > > > happy to see u after long time welcome u to grp . > > > > > > can u pls giv us some more background information abt the chart > > > > > > his status of family he born ,his present status ,abt marriage ,is > she > > > was known b4 etc to him before marriage etc ,wat is his Job > > > > > > also how was his rahu dasa ,then 2 retros dasas ,jup retro in lagna > and > > > sani retro in lagna as lagna Lord ( sani dasa is going on now ) > ,just > > > curious abt the dasa pattern how it is evolved for him > > > > > > frm his Moon lagna 7th L has gone to 8th H ,but vakra ( moon sign > is > > > also stronger for him ) > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > also do u hav the chart of his wife ? > > > > > > > > > , " vreality_au " > > > <reality_v@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Manoj-ji/Anitaji > > > > > > > > chart of male with 7L in 6hse conj 6L. Been happily married for > 20yrs > > > now. Extremely caring wife. Care to shed some light? Ju's aspect on > 7th > > > perhaps a protecting factor? > > > > > > > > Natal Chart - Male > > > > > > > > June 13, 1961 > > > > Time: 9:10:00 pm > > > > Time Zone: 10:00:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 151 E 45' 00 " , 32 S 55' 00 " > > > > Newcastle, Australia > > > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Plava - Nija Jyeshtha > > > > Tithi: Sukla Pratipat (Su) (76.50% left) > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma) > > > > Nakshatra: Mrigasira (Ma) (37.26% left) > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds Su > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Chandran > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > > > > > Yes. The 7th lord in the 6th is ominous not only because it is > the > > > 6th house but also because the lord has gone 12 houses away. 6th > house > > > is a house of divorce because it facilitates the annulment of > marriage. > > > Ofcourse there are always exceptions but 6th lord and 7th lord combo > is > > > never a pleasant one. If you are able to get your hands on the > > > Dr.Charak's Astrology magazine archives (they are bound volumes) I > > > remember reading articles on the 7th house and he discusses this 7th > and > > > 6th combo in detail. Many times Dasha/Antar of 7th/6th can lead to > > > separation. 2 of my friends got divoced (in India) in their 7th > lord/6th > > > antar period. > > > > > > > > > > In general if any lord is gone " dusthana number of houses away " > into > > > another " dusthana " house, it is " double trouble " . > > > > > > > > > > As a personal example my 5th lord has gone to the 12th (8 houses > > > away), aspected by Saturn from 6th and Rahu from 4th (disposited by > Sa > > > in 6th) that resulted in a chronic condition for my son. Since in my > > > chart Jupiter is also the 5th lord also it is magnified trouble. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > Anita R ash.rsh55@ > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:47:16 PM > > > > > Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 > exalted > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Manoj ji, > > > > > He, that is our astrologer had also told me once in passing ( I > > > remembered this when I went through your mail) that 6th lord when he > is > > > in the 7th, it is as if your enemey has become your spouse. Same > thing > > > holds good if the 7th lord is in the 6th. Interesting is it not? > > > > > BTW, I tried to get the book you had recommended " The courageous > > > souls " in bangalore. No luck. (( > > > > > regards, > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 23/6/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 > > > exalted planets. > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Tuesday, 23 June, 2009, 1:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita Ji, > > > > > > > > > > What your astrologer told you is interesting and merits > analysis. > > > For a Taurus Lagna, Venus being the 7th lord, when placed in > Scorpio, > > > apart from the " Scorpio effect " , it is also the 7th house. So now it > is > > > LL and Karak for love and marriage (and may be morality as well as > > > suggested by Sunil Ji) for a Man's chart. Being placed in Scorpio, > in > > > the 7th house, we face the problem that Neelam Ji so beautifully > > > explained to me to answer my question in JG: > > > > > Cornerstone of Bhava analysis is Bhava, Bhavesh, Karak. When the > > > Karak is placed in the said Bhava (as in this case Venus in 7th) now > you > > > have 66% of the " eggs in one basket " . Hence any affliction to this > Bhava > > > (especially Saturn) will be disastrous and almost guarantees > multiple > > > affairs.. However, if affliction free and if aspected or conjunct a > > > strong Jupiter it may not happen. However one problem for this Lagna > is > > > that Jupiter is also the 8th lord, so he " punches with a velvetted > > > fist " . So even his aspect is not 100% guarantee. One more factor > that > > > can curtail it is another point Sunil Ji made, Ketu. Just like Rahu > is > > > an amplifier, Ketu is " diluter " . With his dispassion, he dilutes > things. > > > So if there is Ketu influence on the 7th or 2nd (Rashi or Navamsha) > > > there will be a curtailment of the passionate nature. If in the > above > > > charts Mars also happens to be in the 7th, watch out !!! Ofcourse LL > > > also being Venus this nature could be an " ingrained part of > > > > > the persons psyche " . So affairs could be part of the nature, not > > > just an " opportunistic event " . > > > > > > > > > > Similar logic can be applied for the Libra lagna to a lesser > extent > > > because now it is the 8th Lord house in the 2nd house. Since 2nd > house > > > is the Kutumbha sthana and can also produce marriages (and affairs) > > > similar reasoning holds but not that serious, as you can easily > > > conclude. I would need much more confluence and afflictions to the > 7th > > > house factors and morality factors in Libra lagna to come to the > same > > > conclusion as the Taurus Lagna in this situation. the other > interesting > > > fact is that even for Libra lagna Jp is not a great benefic (owing 3 > and > > > 6 houses and being Ve not being friendly to Jp) so his aspect may > not be > > > able to solve all problems. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your contribution to this topic. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ash.rsh55 ash.rsh55 > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Tuesday, June 23, 2009 5:15:30 AM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 > exalted > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " > > > <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renuji, > > > > > You have asked about scorpio being the key to infedility. > > > > > Actually my family astrologer told me once when I had gone to > him to > > > clarify a few astrological points where I had a doubt, that when > > > matching horoscopes, one of the most important things to notice is > if > > > the lagna is taurus, or libra and venus as lagna lord is in scorpio, > ( > > > he says it is a house of secrets) I should not entertain any boy > with > > > such a combination for my daughter or any other girl in our family. > He > > > says, it is a guarantee that the person will have any number of > > > relationships in his/her life. > > > > > FYI only. > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you say the key to infidelity ......is the sign > Scorpio? > > > > > > > > > > > > //with the exception of Sun and Mercury all other grahas are > > > related to scorpio.// > > > > > > > > > > > > Why there is no Rashi dhrishti on Scorpio by Sun and Mercury? > Did > > > you consider Jaimini aspects? If so, from Aries Sun & Mer do have > RAshi > > > dhrishti on Scorpio..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Please enlighten me...thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj > Chandran > > > <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anantha Krishnan Ji, Renu Ji and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The key to infedility of the spouse in this chart is once > again > > > the sign of scorpio and nakshatras related to infedility in > addittion to > > > the other factors. Consider the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sa in Scorpio in Anuradha > > > > > > > Ra in Scorpio in Jyestha > > > > > > > Ve and Mo in Rohini > > > > > > > All three nakshatras above are related to infedility, > eloping, > > > seduction etc. > > > > > > > Plus Ju is in Asresha (a secretive nakshatra) whose > dispositor > > > Moon is in Rohini > > > > > > > Also Ju, Ma have rashi dhrishti on scorpio > > > > > > > Ve, Mo have graha dhrishti on scorpio > > > > > > > So in effect, in the Rashi chart, with the exception of Sun > and > > > Mercury all other grahas are related to scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This exception is taken care of in the Navamsha Chart. > > > > > > > In the D-9, Mo, Me have rashi dhrishti on scorpio, from > Cancer > > > > > > > Sun also has rashi dhrishti on scorpio from Aries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Especially Rashi dhrishti of Moon and Mercury on Scorpio is > very > > > significant in D-9 since now you have both Manas and Budhi affected > by > > > Scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only difficulty I have seen is that we need to determine > > > carefully if it is the Native who will me having an affair or is it > the > > > native's spouse? In this case since the native's 9th lord is exalted > and > > > his dispositor is also exalted, could be what prevented this native > from > > > having an affair herself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Her spouses matter on the other hand is clear if you take > the > > > 7th house as the lagna. > > > > > > > From the 7th as lagna, you have Su and Mercury in the 7th. > > > > > > > Just to have some fun on Sreeram Srinivas Ji, Me is " Marana > > > Karaka Sthana " > > > > > > > Back to seriousness, Su and Me in the 7th is obviously bad > news. > > > But more importantly Sun is the 11th lord in the 7th house. So 11th > lord > > > is a multiplier, Mercury is also a multiplier and he is also the > 12th > > > lord. This clearly indicates the spouse bringing multiple people in > to > > > his 7th bhava. > > > > > > > 7th lord Ma is exalted in 4th house And 5th lord of morality > Sa > > > is in the 12th, scorpio, etc conjunct Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have also noticed that Jupiter's aspect does not always > curb > > > such behaviour. It can even enlarge it in some cases. Especially > when Jp > > > is in the signs of Venus. Even in the sign of Moon he does not do > such a > > > great job curbing these instincts, especially when Moon is in the > sign > > > of Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu Ji, this person may have had (may still have due to > Saturn > > > dasha) relationship( s) with not one but more than one woman > (outside > > > marriage). I agree with Suni Ji that Jupiters aspect from a Kendra > to > > > the 8th house of Mangal Suthra is what keeps this marriage going. > > > Ironically it may have also helped to keep the affair going as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Anantha Krishnan <anantha_krishnan_ 98@> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:44:49 AM > > > > > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 > > > exalted planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu Ji and others: > > > > > > > If you consider from the moon, Mars happens to be in the > eighth > > > bhava from the moon and it looks like there is Mars dosha. It also > > > looses the Jupiter's aspect, since Jupiter moves to the fifth > bhava. > > > Also Parasura talks about multiple wifes if the seventh Lord is in > the > > > second house - it could be the reason for the affair. The fact that > > > Venus is in its own house is the probable reason for her continued > love > > > regardless of the affair. Of course, this is post mortem analysis > and it > > > is easy to deduce. One thing I would have indicated is the Mars > dosha- > > > dosha in the seventh and eighth house is more involved than the > other > > > houses and I always look at the bhava chart for Mars dosha as per > B.V. > > > Raman's advice. > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > anantha krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 6/20/09, renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > > > > > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 > > > exalted planets. > > > > > > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > >Saturday, June 20, 2009, 10:31 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear learned members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This lady has 4 exalted planets. Su, Mo, Ju and Mars. No > Mars > > > dosha. But husband had a serious illicit affair with another woman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >May be her exalted planets did not allow her to lodge true > > > complaints at the police station against his infidelity. On the > other > > > hand she never stopped loving him. The family never broke.... I > believe. > > > I have not met them for a long time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >April 15, 1956 > > > > > > > >Time: 6:18:00 > > > > > > > >Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > >Place: 79 E 50' 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > >Colombo, Sri Lanka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ICC World Twenty20 England & #39;09 exclusively on ! CRICKET > > > http://cricket. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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