Guest guest Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Dear Renu Ji, I am glad some one is reading my posts carefully . You are correct. Su, Me have rashi dhristi on Scorpio in the Rashi chart itself. It only makes the argument even stronger. Since they also repeat in the Navamsha chart. Scorpio is the 8th house of the zodiac. So any planet in it gets all its agendas. Hidden stuff, mysterious, and secretive affairs. Similarly any planet in Aries, Cancer, Capricon is influenced by the Scorpio Agenda (due to rashi dhrishti). Further 8th house being 12th from the 9th it is also the house that denotes loss of dharma and hence promotes adharma. Since marriage is essentially the quintessential "Dharmic" activity, and Infedility is the quintessential "Adharmic" activity, relationship with Scorpio is very important in extra-marital affairs. However for this to be true there has to be multiple pointers and several indications, including Scorpio connection. Especially look for Me and Moon to be involved with Scorpio. In addittion to this 7th house, 7th lord affliction, 12/6th affliction, 5th house/lord affliction and host of other factors. More the factors, more likely the event. Also look to having important planets placed in Nakshatras related to possible infedility like nakshatras Rohini, Aslesha, Krittika, Mrigashirisha, Jyeshta, Vishaka, Anuradha and to a certain extent Purva Pha, and Uttara Pha. One more thing I forgot to mention that is obvious in this Navamsha, once again notice the Mars/Venus connection in the 2nd house of the Navamsha. That is again an indication of passion and further the aspect of Saturn on this makes it a classical passion combination.(because Saturn basically frustrates the Ma-Ve combo forcing outside influences to exert their influence). Please look back at the other chart we saw earlier about the husband of the woman who committed suicide and my judgement that the death was probably caused by the husband's infedility. That chart had very similar combinations for the Native. Regards, -Manoj renunw <renunw Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:39:07 AM Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets. Dear Manoj ji,Why do you say the key to infidelity ......is the sign Scorpio?//with the exception of Sun and Mercury all other grahas are related to scorpio.//Why there is no Rashi dhrishti on Scorpio by Sun and Mercury? Did you consider Jaimini aspects? If so, from Aries Sun & Mer do have RAshi dhrishti on Scorpio.....Please enlighten me...thanks.blessings,Renu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Hi, very nice post manoj ji, Regards, Anita- -- In , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Renu Ji, > > I am glad some one is reading my posts carefully . > > You are correct. Su, Me have rashi dhristi on Scorpio in the Rashi chart itself. > It only makes the argument even stronger. Since they also repeat in the Navamsha chart. > Scorpio is the 8th house of the zodiac. So any planet in it gets all its agendas. Hidden stuff, mysterious, and secretive affairs. Similarly any planet in Aries, Cancer, Capricon is influenced by the Scorpio Agenda (due to rashi dhrishti). > Further 8th house being 12th from the 9th it is also the house that denotes loss of dharma and hence promotes adharma. > Since marriage is essentially the quintessential " Dharmic " activity, and Infedility is the quintessential " Adharmic " activity, relationship with Scorpio is very important in extra-marital affairs. > However for this to be true there has to be multiple pointers and several indications, including Scorpio connection. Especially look for Me and Moon to be involved with Scorpio. In addittion to this 7th house, 7th lord affliction, 12/6th affliction, 5th house/lord affliction and host of other factors. More the factors, more likely the event. > > Also look to having important planets placed in Nakshatras related to possible infedility like nakshatras Rohini, Aslesha, Krittika, Mrigashirisha, Jyeshta, Vishaka, Anuradha and to a certain extent Purva Pha, and Uttara Pha. > > One more thing I forgot to mention that is obvious in this Navamsha, once again notice the Mars/Venus connection in the 2nd house of the Navamsha. That is again an indication of passion and further the aspect of Saturn on this makes it a classical passion combination.(because Saturn basically frustrates the Ma-Ve combo forcing outside influences to exert their influence). > > Please look back at the other chart we saw earlier about the husband of the woman who committed suicide and my judgement that the death was probably caused by the husband's infedility. That chart had very similar combinations for the Native. > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > renunw <renunw > > Monday, June 22, 2009 9:39:07 AM > Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets. > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > Why do you say the key to infidelity ......is the sign Scorpio? > > //with the exception of Sun and Mercury all other grahas are related to scorpio.// > > Why there is no Rashi dhrishti on Scorpio by Sun and Mercury? Did you consider Jaimini aspects? If so, from Aries Sun & Mer do have RAshi dhrishti on Scorpio..... > > Please enlighten me...thanks. > > blessings, > > Renu > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Anantha Krishnan Ji, Renu Ji and all, > > > > The key to infedility of the spouse in this chart is once again the sign of scorpio and nakshatras related to infedility in addittion to the other factors. Consider the following: > > > > Sa in Scorpio in Anuradha > > Ra in Scorpio in Jyestha > > Ve and Mo in Rohini > > All three nakshatras above are related to infedility, eloping, seduction etc. > > Plus Ju is in Asresha (a secretive nakshatra) whose dispositor Moon is in Rohini > > Also Ju, Ma have rashi dhrishti on scorpio > > Ve, Mo have graha dhrishti on scorpio > > So in effect, in the Rashi chart, with the exception of Sun and Mercury all other grahas are related to scorpio. > > > > This exception is taken care of in the Navamsha Chart. > > In the D-9, Mo, Me have rashi dhrishti on scorpio, from Cancer > > Sun also has rashi dhrishti on scorpio from Aries. > > > > Especially Rashi dhrishti of Moon and Mercury on Scorpio is very significant in D-9 since now you have both Manas and Budhi affected by Scorpio. > > > > The only difficulty I have seen is that we need to determine carefully if it is the Native who will me having an affair or is it the native's spouse? In this case since the native's 9th lord is exalted and his dispositor is also exalted, could be what prevented this native from having an affair herself. > > > > Her spouses matter on the other hand is clear if you take the 7th house as the lagna. > > From the 7th as lagna, you have Su and Mercury in the 7th. > > Just to have some fun on Sreeram Srinivas Ji, Me is " Marana Karaka Sthana " > > Back to seriousness, Su and Me in the 7th is obviously bad news. But more importantly Sun is the 11th lord in the 7th house. So 11th lord is a multiplier, Mercury is also a multiplier and he is also the 12th lord. This clearly indicates the spouse bringing multiple people in to his 7th bhava. > > 7th lord Ma is exalted in 4th house And 5th lord of morality Sa is in the 12th, scorpio, etc conjunct Rahu. > > > > I have also noticed that Jupiter's aspect does not always curb such behaviour. It can even enlarge it in some cases. Especially when Jp is in the signs of Venus. Even in the sign of Moon he does not do such a great job curbing these instincts, especially when Moon is in the sign of Venus. > > > > Renu Ji, this person may have had (may still have due to Saturn dasha) relationship( s) with not one but more than one woman (outside marriage). I agree with Suni Ji that Jupiters aspect from a Kendra to the 8th house of Mangal Suthra is what keeps this marriage going. Ironically it may have also helped to keep the affair going as well. > > > > Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Anantha Krishnan <anantha_krishnan_ 98@> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:44:49 AM > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu Ji and others: > > If you consider from the moon, Mars happens to be in the eighth bhava from the moon and it looks like there is Mars dosha. It also looses the Jupiter's aspect, since Jupiter moves to the fifth bhava. Also Parasura talks about multiple wifes if the seventh Lord is in the second house - it could be the reason for the affair. The fact that Venus is in its own house is the probable reason for her continued love regardless of the affair. Of course, this is post mortem analysis and it is easy to deduce. One thing I would have indicated is the Mars dosha- dosha in the seventh and eighth house is more involved than the other houses and I always look at the bhava chart for Mars dosha as per B.V. Raman's advice. > > Regards, > > anantha krishnan > > > > > > --- On Sat, 6/20/09, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > >renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets. > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > >Saturday, June 20, 2009, 10:31 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear learned members, > > > > > >This lady has 4 exalted planets. Su, Mo, Ju and Mars. No Mars dosha. But husband had a serious illicit affair with another woman. > > > > > >May be her exalted planets did not allow her to lodge true complaints at the police station against his infidelity. On the other hand she never stopped loving him. The family never broke.... I believe. I have not met them for a long time. > > > > > >Natal Chart > > > > > >April 15, 1956 > > >Time: 6:18:00 > > >Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > >Place: 79 E 50' 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 " > > >Colombo, Sri Lanka > > > > > >blessings, > > > > > >Renu > > > > > > > > > > > __._,_..___ > Messages in this topic (34) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Database > > Change settings via the Web ( ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un > Recent Activity > * 22 > New MembersVisit Your Group > Give Back > for Good > Get inspired > by a good cause. > Y! 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Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, Thanks for detailed explanations...I would not miss an educative analysis no matter how long it is....After all we are here to learn:) I simply cannot relate Scorpio with any secretive deals...on the contrary I thought a Scorpion native is an open book. blessings, Renu , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Renu Ji, > > I am glad some one is reading my posts carefully . > > You are correct. Su, Me have rashi dhristi on Scorpio in the Rashi chart itself. > It only makes the argument even stronger. Since they also repeat in the Navamsha chart. > Scorpio is the 8th house of the zodiac. So any planet in it gets all its agendas. Hidden stuff, mysterious, and secretive affairs. Similarly any planet in Aries, Cancer, Capricon is influenced by the Scorpio Agenda (due to rashi dhrishti). > Further 8th house being 12th from the 9th it is also the house that denotes loss of dharma and hence promotes adharma. > Since marriage is essentially the quintessential " Dharmic " activity, and Infedility is the quintessential " Adharmic " activity, relationship with Scorpio is very important in extra-marital affairs. > However for this to be true there has to be multiple pointers and several indications, including Scorpio connection. Especially look for Me and Moon to be involved with Scorpio. In addittion to this 7th house, 7th lord affliction, 12/6th affliction, 5th house/lord affliction and host of other factors. More the factors, more likely the event. > > Also look to having important planets placed in Nakshatras related to possible infedility like nakshatras Rohini, Aslesha, Krittika, Mrigashirisha, Jyeshta, Vishaka, Anuradha and to a certain extent Purva Pha, and Uttara Pha. > > One more thing I forgot to mention that is obvious in this Navamsha, once again notice the Mars/Venus connection in the 2nd house of the Navamsha. That is again an indication of passion and further the aspect of Saturn on this makes it a classical passion combination.(because Saturn basically frustrates the Ma-Ve combo forcing outside influences to exert their influence). > > Please look back at the other chart we saw earlier about the husband of the woman who committed suicide and my judgement that the death was probably caused by the husband's infedility. That chart had very similar combinations for the Native. > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > ________________________________ > renunw <renunw > > Monday, June 22, 2009 9:39:07 AM > Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets. > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > Why do you say the key to infidelity ......is the sign Scorpio? > > //with the exception of Sun and Mercury all other grahas are related to scorpio.// > > Why there is no Rashi dhrishti on Scorpio by Sun and Mercury? Did you consider Jaimini aspects? If so, from Aries Sun & Mer do have RAshi dhrishti on Scorpio..... > > Please enlighten me...thanks. > > blessings, > > Renu > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Anantha Krishnan Ji, Renu Ji and all, > > > > The key to infedility of the spouse in this chart is once again the sign of scorpio and nakshatras related to infedility in addittion to the other factors. Consider the following: > > > > Sa in Scorpio in Anuradha > > Ra in Scorpio in Jyestha > > Ve and Mo in Rohini > > All three nakshatras above are related to infedility, eloping, seduction etc. > > Plus Ju is in Asresha (a secretive nakshatra) whose dispositor Moon is in Rohini > > Also Ju, Ma have rashi dhrishti on scorpio > > Ve, Mo have graha dhrishti on scorpio > > So in effect, in the Rashi chart, with the exception of Sun and Mercury all other grahas are related to scorpio. > > > > This exception is taken care of in the Navamsha Chart. > > In the D-9, Mo, Me have rashi dhrishti on scorpio, from Cancer > > Sun also has rashi dhrishti on scorpio from Aries. > > > > Especially Rashi dhrishti of Moon and Mercury on Scorpio is very significant in D-9 since now you have both Manas and Budhi affected by Scorpio. > > > > The only difficulty I have seen is that we need to determine carefully if it is the Native who will me having an affair or is it the native's spouse? In this case since the native's 9th lord is exalted and his dispositor is also exalted, could be what prevented this native from having an affair herself. > > > > Her spouses matter on the other hand is clear if you take the 7th house as the lagna. > > From the 7th as lagna, you have Su and Mercury in the 7th. > > Just to have some fun on Sreeram Srinivas Ji, Me is " Marana Karaka Sthana " > > Back to seriousness, Su and Me in the 7th is obviously bad news. But more importantly Sun is the 11th lord in the 7th house. So 11th lord is a multiplier, Mercury is also a multiplier and he is also the 12th lord. This clearly indicates the spouse bringing multiple people in to his 7th bhava. > > 7th lord Ma is exalted in 4th house And 5th lord of morality Sa is in the 12th, scorpio, etc conjunct Rahu. > > > > I have also noticed that Jupiter's aspect does not always curb such behaviour. It can even enlarge it in some cases. Especially when Jp is in the signs of Venus. Even in the sign of Moon he does not do such a great job curbing these instincts, especially when Moon is in the sign of Venus. > > > > Renu Ji, this person may have had (may still have due to Saturn dasha) relationship( s) with not one but more than one woman (outside marriage). I agree with Suni Ji that Jupiters aspect from a Kendra to the 8th house of Mangal Suthra is what keeps this marriage going. Ironically it may have also helped to keep the affair going as well. > > > > Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Anantha Krishnan <anantha_krishnan_ 98@> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:44:49 AM > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu Ji and others: > > If you consider from the moon, Mars happens to be in the eighth bhava from the moon and it looks like there is Mars dosha. It also looses the Jupiter's aspect, since Jupiter moves to the fifth bhava. Also Parasura talks about multiple wifes if the seventh Lord is in the second house - it could be the reason for the affair. The fact that Venus is in its own house is the probable reason for her continued love regardless of the affair. Of course, this is post mortem analysis and it is easy to deduce. One thing I would have indicated is the Mars dosha- dosha in the seventh and eighth house is more involved than the other houses and I always look at the bhava chart for Mars dosha as per B.V. Raman's advice. > > Regards, > > anantha krishnan > > > > > > --- On Sat, 6/20/09, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > >renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > >[ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets. > > >ancient_indian_ astrology > > >Saturday, June 20, 2009, 10:31 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear learned members, > > > > > >This lady has 4 exalted planets. Su, Mo, Ju and Mars. No Mars dosha. But husband had a serious illicit affair with another woman. > > > > > >May be her exalted planets did not allow her to lodge true complaints at the police station against his infidelity. On the other hand she never stopped loving him. The family never broke.... I believe. I have not met them for a long time. > > > > > >Natal Chart > > > > > >April 15, 1956 > > >Time: 6:18:00 > > >Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > >Place: 79 E 50' 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 " > > >Colombo, Sri Lanka > > > > > >blessings, > > > > > >Renu > > > > > > > > > > > __._,_..___ > Messages in this topic (34) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Database > > Change settings via the Web ( ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Terms of Use | Un > Recent Activity > * 22 > New MembersVisit Your Group > Give Back > for Good > Get inspired > by a good cause. > Y! 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