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Dear Krishna Santhanamji

Your interest is praise worthy.

However, before I could answer,

 

1. could you please confirm the birth time, whether it is DAY LIGHT SAVING TIME

OR WITHOUT THIS CORRECTION. I took DST and the corresponding lagna longitude is

189-16-57, and do confirm it if correct.

 

2. Moreover, the birth place within New York with name of hospital or

coordinates is appreciated or else you can give links of this birth location

3. Name, caste, of this person is required to maintain recordsI took interest

as this horoscope confirms many rules or dictums as per Brihatjataka and Jaimini

I will send you a copy of this on lines of Varahamihira

Thanking you

Jairadhe

 

 

 

 

Krish Santhanam <krishvedas06

vedic astrology

Friday, 27 June, 2008 4:05:01 AM

[vedic astrology] Death

 

 

Namaskar.

 

This young man died from complictions arising from Leukemia. He was a physician.

Can the Gurus look at his chart. Which was the killer planet? His Jupiter was

exalted. He was running Jupiter Mahadasa. His Natal Saturn is in Leo in Magha

Nakshatra while transit Saturn is also in Leo in Magaha Nakshatra. Is Saturn

responsible for his death? Which planet was a major contributor to his illness?

 

Birth details:

September 5, 1978.

New York, New York. USA

Time of Birth: 10:45 AM

 

Death occcured in Boston, Mass., USA at 7AM on Wednesday, June 25.

 

 

Thank You,

Krish Santhanam

 

 

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Dear Members,

 

Earlier I mentioned about " seasonal death similarities " in each

year..... again quoting from my observations without any valid data...

 

On 26-June-2009 the news of Michael Jackson was announced {may be

25-June-2009 to those in Western hemisphere}... same date and time I

also got death news of a close relative.

 

Further, in my family friends circle, a distant aged female relative

expired on 12-13th June 2009.

 

The similarlity in all above - All of them had some serious medical

ailment, incurable and were constant medication. All three cases -

people died much below the average expetancy age.

 

I do NOT have access to physian of Michael Jackson to know the type of

medical ailments he underwent...except for the newspaper clippings -

skin problems, constantly under medical drugs....incurable.....etc.

 

Members, who have experienced " deaths " in their family or friends

circle...can share their data...and experiences....

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

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Dear Sreeram ji

 

Namaste.

 

Farah Fawcett Majors , the star of the tv series " Charlie's Angels " died on the

same morning as Michael Jackson on 25(26th) June 2009, she had been battling

with cancer for 3 years.

 

Just to add to your observation,

 

warmest regards

Sheevani

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Dear Neelam ji,//How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect you

rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family

catastrophe which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change

your course of life.

How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or have to be extra particular about your intake?Are you a self-disciplinarian? //sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i always talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th.yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to heart attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a jivan mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the course while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra particular about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!!How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i suppose....Warm regards,gopi..

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Dear Gopi ji,Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of house significations and saturn's karakatwas. Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and *family* would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th)  from death/death-like situation.

If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in negativity in the manifestation of same karakatwas. RegardsNeelam2009/11/26 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelam ji,//How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect you

rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family

catastrophe which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change

your course of life. 

How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or have to be extra particular about your intake?Are you a self-disciplinarian? //sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i always talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th.

yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to heart attack but my own death experience and coming back to life  which a jivan mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the course while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra particular about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!!

How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i suppose....Warm regards,gopi..

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Dear Neelam ji,really good/great observation no doubt.....Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Gopi ji,> > Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of house> significations and saturn's karakatwas.> Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and *family*> would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from death/death-like> situation.> If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in negativity in> the manifestation of same karakatwas.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna gopi_b927 > >> >> > *Dear Neelam ji,> > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect you> > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family catastrophe> > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your course of> > life.> > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or have to be> > extra particular about your intake?> > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //*> > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i always> > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th.> >> > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to heart> > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a jivan> > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the course> > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra particular> > about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!!> > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your> > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i suppose....> > Warm regards,> > gopi.> > .> >> >> > *> > > >>

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Dear Neelam ji,just after posting i understood that it is not just observation but beyond may be intuition .....Warm regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Gopi ji,> > Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of house> significations and saturn's karakatwas.> Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and *family*> would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from death/death-like> situation.> If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in negativity in> the manifestation of same karakatwas.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna gopi_b927 > >> >> > *Dear Neelam ji,> > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect you> > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family catastrophe> > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your course of> > life.> > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or have to be> > extra particular about your intake?> > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //*> > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i always> > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th.> >> > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to heart> > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a jivan> > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the course> > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra particular> > about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!!> > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your> > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i suppose....> > Warm regards,> > gopi.> > .> >> >> > *> > > >>

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Dear Neelamji,

 

With due respect to your explanation, we need to add more on this. Saturn being

a slow moving planet shall be in own sign for 5 years and during those 5 years,

every day at some time it shall be in 2nd aspecting 11th. Does it mean all

natives born during this period shall have death like gains?

 

regds

Dev

 

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Gopi ji,

>

> Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of house

> significations and saturn's karakatwas.

> Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and *family*

> would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from death/death-like

> situation.

> If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in negativity in

> the manifestation of same karakatwas.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

>

> 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927

>

> >

> >

> > *Dear Neelam ji,

> > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect you

> > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family catastrophe

> > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your course of

> > life.

> > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or have to be

> > extra particular about your intake?

> > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //*

> > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i always

> > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th.

> >

> > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to heart

> > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a jivan

> > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the course

> > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra particular

> > about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!!

> > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your

> > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i suppose....

> > Warm regards,

> > gopi.

> > .

> >

> >

> > *

> >

> >

>

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Dear Dev ji,

 

Exactly.

 

Nonsense talking is the order of the day in astrology these days. Saturn

otherwise too from many places in its sojourn throughout the zodiac will

be aspecting the 2nd. It can also be in constellations of the Lord of

the 2nd. The 2nd provided " death like experiences " or " enjoyment of

togethrness with family " ???

 

It seems that the whole logic of astrological principles are being

twisted just to emphasis on non existent claims.

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " axeplex " <axeplex

wrote:

>

> Dear Neelamji,

>

> With due respect to your explanation, we need to add more on this.

Saturn being a slow moving planet shall be in own sign for 5 years and

during those 5 years, every day at some time it shall be in 2nd

aspecting 11th. Does it mean all natives born during this period shall

have death like gains?

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> , neelam gupta

neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gopi ji,

> >

> > Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of

house

> > significations and saturn's karakatwas.

> > Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and

*family*

> > would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from

death/death-like

> > situation.

> > If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in

negativity in

> > the manifestation of same karakatwas.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > *Dear Neelam ji,

> > > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect

you

> > > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family

catastrophe

> > > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your

course of

> > > life.

> > > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or

have to be

> > > extra particular about your intake?

> > > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //*

> > > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i

always

> > > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th.

> > >

> > > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to

heart

> > > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a

jivan

> > > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the

course

> > > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra

particular

> > > about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!!

> > > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your

> > > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i

suppose....

> > > Warm regards,

> > > gopi.

> > > .

> > >

> > >

> > > *

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Bhaskar ji, Dev ji,Please do not forget that natal placements are the first and foremost requirement for any good or bad event to happen in our lives. If only transits would help, then why should we study a nativity at all. Transits only confirm what natal chart has to offer and dasha gives a green signal. Whether a transiting planet just brushes off or takes one on a ride with depends entirely on the planet's mandate in a natal chart.

Saturn in second house must give its own results depending of course on its lordship and sign placement/varga disposition. I had mentioned a few results of this 2H saturn which was in own house. However, there are specific results/significance given by each and every placement  (just basic placement) in any chart. The results may be of three types:

1. General traits given by such a placement which are felt by the native throughout his life: e.g Saturn with Rahu in an inimical sign in 2H would keep a native in constant fear of death. Saturn with mercury would make a native suspect his own family if in inimcal situation.

2. Specific events which take place in relevant dashas and appropriate transits: e.g. a person might eat bad food in the dasha of saturn in 2H and falls sick as saturn is also 6L in such a chart.3. Transit based results: A person working in a bank gets transfered to a senior citizen's section or an old aunt comes to visit, etc.

I am not talking about paranormal and esoteric experiences here. It is hard-core physical experiences which I am refering to. One can test them on 1000 charts and ceck the validity. This is simple astrology.However, as always, the results do get moderated by factors known to all of us and I do not need to add a diisclaimer everytime.

Please feel free to agree or disagree. :-)RegardsNeelam2009/11/27 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Dev ji,

 

Exactly.

 

Nonsense talking is the order of the day in astrology these days. Saturn

otherwise too from many places in its sojourn throughout the zodiac will

be aspecting the 2nd. It can also be in constellations of the Lord of

the 2nd. The 2nd provided " death like experiences " or " enjoyment of

togethrness with family " ???

 

It seems that the whole logic of astrological principles are being

twisted just to emphasis on non existent claims.

 

Bhaskar.

 

, " axeplex " <axeplex

wrote:

>

> Dear Neelamji,

>

> With due respect to your explanation, we need to add more on this.

Saturn being a slow moving planet shall be in own sign for 5 years and

during those 5 years, every day at some time it shall be in 2nd

aspecting 11th. Does it mean all natives born during this period shall

have death like gains?

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> , neelam gupta

neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gopi ji,

> >

> > Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of

house

> > significations and saturn's karakatwas.

> > Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and

*family*

> > would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from

death/death-like

> > situation.

> > If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in

negativity in

> > the manifestation of same karakatwas.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > *Dear Neelam ji,

> > > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect

you

> > > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family

catastrophe

> > > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your

course of

> > > life.

> > > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or

have to be

> > > extra particular about your intake?

> > > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //*

> > > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i

always

> > > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th.

> > >

> > > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to

heart

> > > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a

jivan

> > > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the

course

> > > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra

particular

> > > about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!!

> > > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your

> > > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i

suppose....

> > > Warm regards,

> > > gopi.

> > > .

> > >

> > >

> > > *

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Neelam ji,

 

Very rarely do I disagree with what you agree with. same here.

 

Very true that that the Natal placements can only bring about the

results through transits, and not otherwise. If only transits could

bring our results then there would be no necessity for individual

Horoscopes and every Leo, or Taurus or whatever sign person could have

been, would have felt same results throughout the world.

 

Your examples makes one ponder, if only I had so much time...

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji, Dev ji,

>

> Please do not forget that natal placements are the first and foremost

> requirement for any good or bad event to happen in our lives.

> If only transits would help, then why should we study a nativity at

all.

> Transits only confirm what natal chart has to offer and dasha gives a

green

> signal. Whether a transiting planet just brushes off or takes one on a

ride

> with depends entirely on the planet's mandate in a natal chart.

>

> Saturn in second house must give its own results depending of course

on its

> lordship and sign placement/varga disposition. I had mentioned a few

results

> of this 2H saturn which was in own house.

>

> However, there are specific results/significance given by each and

every

> placement (just basic placement) in any chart. The results may be of

three

> types:

> 1. General traits given by such a placement which are felt by the

native

> throughout his life: e.g Saturn with Rahu in an inimical sign in 2H

would

> keep a native in constant fear of death. Saturn with mercury would

make a

> native suspect his own family if in inimcal situation.

> 2. Specific events which take place in relevant dashas and appropriate

> transits: e.g. a person might eat bad food in the dasha of saturn in

2H and

> falls sick as saturn is also 6L in such a chart.

> 3. Transit based results: A person working in a bank gets transfered

to a

> senior citizen's section or an old aunt comes to visit, etc.

>

> I am not talking about paranormal and esoteric experiences here. It is

> hard-core physical experiences which I am refering to. One can test

them on

> 1000 charts and ceck the validity. This is simple astrology.

> However, as always, the results do get moderated by factors known to

all of

> us and I do not need to add a diisclaimer everytime.

>

> Please feel free to agree or disagree. :-)

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

>

> 2009/11/27 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Dev ji,

> >

> > Exactly.

> >

> > Nonsense talking is the order of the day in astrology these days.

Saturn

> > otherwise too from many places in its sojourn throughout the zodiac

will

> > be aspecting the 2nd. It can also be in constellations of the Lord

of

> > the 2nd. The 2nd provided " death like experiences " or " enjoyment of

> > togethrness with family " ???

> >

> > It seems that the whole logic of astrological principles are being

> > twisted just to emphasis on non existent claims.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > --- In

<%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> > " axeplex " axeplex@

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Neelamji,

> > >

> > > With due respect to your explanation, we need to add more on this.

> > Saturn being a slow moving planet shall be in own sign for 5 years

and

> > during those 5 years, every day at some time it shall be in 2nd

> > aspecting 11th. Does it mean all natives born during this period

shall

> > have death like gains?

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> > neelam gupta

> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a

combination of

> > house

> > > > significations and saturn's karakatwas.

> > > > Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death*

and

> > *family*

> > > > would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from

> > death/death-like

> > > > situation.

> > > > If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in

> > negativity in

> > > > the manifestation of same karakatwas.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *Dear Neelam ji,

> > > > > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would

connect

> > you

> > > > > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some

family

> > catastrophe

> > > > > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change

your

> > course of

> > > > > life.

> > > > > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or

> > have to be

> > > > > extra particular about your intake?

> > > > > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //*

> > > > > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as

i

> > always

> > > > > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from

10th.

> > > > >

> > > > > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts

due to

> > heart

> > > > > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life

which a

> > jivan

> > > > > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed

the

> > course

> > > > > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am

extra

> > particular

> > > > > about my food intake and of course i am a self

disciplinarian!!!!

> > > > > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your

> > > > > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i

> > suppose....

> > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Neelam ji,sorry to intervene,// Transits only confirm what natal chart has to offer and dasha gives a green> signal. Whether a transiting planet just brushes off or takes one on a ride> with depends entirely on the planet's mandate in a natal chart.//totally agree since it is replicable and true.//Saturn in second house must give its own results depending of course on its> lordship and sign placement/varga disposition. //agreed.// I am not talking about paranormal and esoteric experiences here. It is> hard-core physical experiences which I am refering to. One can test them on> 1000 charts and ceck the validity. This is simple astrology.//this is great.In fact there is nothing to disagree(for any body)since it's a good educative post.Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji, Dev ji,> > Please do not forget that natal placements are the first and foremost> requirement for any good or bad event to happen in our lives.> If only transits would help, then why should we study a nativity at all.> Transits only confirm what natal chart has to offer and dasha gives a green> signal. Whether a transiting planet just brushes off or takes one on a ride> with depends entirely on the planet's mandate in a natal chart.> > Saturn in second house must give its own results depending of course on its> lordship and sign placement/varga disposition. I had mentioned a few results> of this 2H saturn which was in own house.> > However, there are specific results/significance given by each and every> placement (just basic placement) in any chart. The results may be of three> types:> 1. General traits given by such a placement which are felt by the native> throughout his life: e.g Saturn with Rahu in an inimical sign in 2H would> keep a native in constant fear of death. Saturn with mercury would make a> native suspect his own family if in inimcal situation.> 2. Specific events which take place in relevant dashas and appropriate> transits: e.g. a person might eat bad food in the dasha of saturn in 2H and> falls sick as saturn is also 6L in such a chart.> 3. Transit based results: A person working in a bank gets transfered to a> senior citizen's section or an old aunt comes to visit, etc.> > I am not talking about paranormal and esoteric experiences here. It is> hard-core physical experiences which I am refering to. One can test them on> 1000 charts and ceck the validity. This is simple astrology.> However, as always, the results do get moderated by factors known to all of> us and I do not need to add a diisclaimer everytime.> > Please feel free to agree or disagree. :-)> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > 2009/11/27 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > >> >> >> > Dear Dev ji,> >> > Exactly.> >> > Nonsense talking is the order of the day in astrology these days. Saturn> > otherwise too from many places in its sojourn throughout the zodiac will> > be aspecting the 2nd. It can also be in constellations of the Lord of> > the 2nd. The 2nd provided "death like experiences" or "enjoyment of> > togethrness with family" ???> >> > It seems that the whole logic of astrological principles are being> > twisted just to emphasis on non existent claims.> >> > Bhaskar.> >> > <%40>,> > "axeplex" axeplex@> > wrote:> >> > >> > > Dear Neelamji,> > >> > > With due respect to your explanation, we need to add more on this.> > Saturn being a slow moving planet shall be in own sign for 5 years and> > during those 5 years, every day at some time it shall be in 2nd> > aspecting 11th. Does it mean all natives born during this period shall> > have death like gains?> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > > <%40>,> > neelam gupta> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > >> > > > Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of> > house> > > > significations and saturn's karakatwas.> > > > Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and> > *family*> > > > would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from> > death/death-like> > > > situation.> > > > If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in> > negativity in> > > > the manifestation of same karakatwas.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > *Dear Neelam ji,> > > > > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect> > you> > > > > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family> > catastrophe> > > > > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your> > course of> > > > > life.> > > > > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or> > have to be> > > > > extra particular about your intake?> > > > > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //*> > > > > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i> > always> > > > > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th.> > > > >> > > > > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to> > heart> > > > > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a> > jivan> > > > > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the> > course> > > > > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra> > particular> > > > > about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!!> > > > > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your> > > > > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i> > suppose....> > > > > Warm regards,> > > > > gopi.> > > > > .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > *> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

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Dear Bhaskar ji,Thanks. Hope you find time not only to ponder over the examples, but also to add on to the list! :-)I know your examples would make an interesting and educative reading.RegardsNeelam

2009/11/27 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelam ji,

 

Very rarely do I disagree with what you agree with. same here.

 

Very true that that the Natal placements can only bring about the

results through transits, and not otherwise. If only transits could

bring our results then there would be no necessity for individual

Horoscopes and every Leo, or Taurus or whatever sign person could have

been, would have felt same results throughout the world.

 

Your examples makes one ponder, if only I had so much time...

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji, Dev ji,

>

> Please do not forget that natal placements are the first and foremost

> requirement for any good or bad event to happen in our lives.

> If only transits would help, then why should we study a nativity at

all.

> Transits only confirm what natal chart has to offer and dasha gives a

green

> signal. Whether a transiting planet just brushes off or takes one on a

ride

> with depends entirely on the planet's mandate in a natal chart.

>

> Saturn in second house must give its own results depending of course

on its

> lordship and sign placement/varga disposition. I had mentioned a few

results

> of this 2H saturn which was in own house.

>

> However, there are specific results/significance given by each and

every

> placement (just basic placement) in any chart. The results may be of

three

> types:

> 1. General traits given by such a placement which are felt by the

native

> throughout his life: e.g Saturn with Rahu in an inimical sign in 2H

would

> keep a native in constant fear of death. Saturn with mercury would

make a

> native suspect his own family if in inimcal situation.

> 2. Specific events which take place in relevant dashas and appropriate

> transits: e.g. a person might eat bad food in the dasha of saturn in

2H and

> falls sick as saturn is also 6L in such a chart.

> 3. Transit based results: A person working in a bank gets transfered

to a

> senior citizen's section or an old aunt comes to visit, etc.

>

> I am not talking about paranormal and esoteric experiences here. It is

> hard-core physical experiences which I am refering to. One can test

them on

> 1000 charts and ceck the validity. This is simple astrology.

> However, as always, the results do get moderated by factors known to

all of

> us and I do not need to add a diisclaimer everytime.

>

> Please feel free to agree or disagree. :-)

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

>

> 2009/11/27 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Dev ji,

> >

> > Exactly.

> >

> > Nonsense talking is the order of the day in astrology these days.

Saturn

> > otherwise too from many places in its sojourn throughout the zodiac

will

> > be aspecting the 2nd. It can also be in constellations of the Lord

of

> > the 2nd. The 2nd provided " death like experiences " or " enjoyment of

> > togethrness with family " ???

> >

> > It seems that the whole logic of astrological principles are being

> > twisted just to emphasis on non existent claims.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > --- In

<%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> > " axeplex " axeplex@

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Neelamji,

> > >

> > > With due respect to your explanation, we need to add more on this.

> > Saturn being a slow moving planet shall be in own sign for 5 years

and

> > during those 5 years, every day at some time it shall be in 2nd

> > aspecting 11th. Does it mean all natives born during this period

shall

> > have death like gains?

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> > neelam gupta

> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a

combination of

> > house

> > > > significations and saturn's karakatwas.

> > > > Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death*

and

> > *family*

> > > > would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from

> > death/death-like

> > > > situation.

> > > > If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in

> > negativity in

> > > > the manifestation of same karakatwas.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *Dear Neelam ji,

> > > > > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would

connect

> > you

> > > > > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some

family

> > catastrophe

> > > > > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change

your

> > course of

> > > > > life.

> > > > > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or

> > have to be

> > > > > extra particular about your intake?

> > > > > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //*

> > > > > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as

i

> > always

> > > > > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from

10th.

> > > > >

> > > > > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts

due to

> > heart

> > > > > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life

which a

> > jivan

> > > > > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed

the

> > course

> > > > > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am

extra

> > particular

> > > > > about my food intake and of course i am a self

disciplinarian!!!!

> > > > > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your

> > > > > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i

> > suppose....

> > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Neelam ji,

 

There is no disagreement. I clearly mentioned something more needs to be added

to your previous message. All I wanted was to include divisions or D-chart in

analysis. Sorry, I could not understand when you wrote

" Please do not forget that natal placements are the first and foremost

requirement for any good or bad event to happen in our lives "

 

We were discussing natal placements only in previous discussion. If you were

discussing transits, then I missed that message. Off course, natal placement,

divisions and transits, everything needs to be coupled together to identify an

individual.

 

regds

dev

 

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji, Dev ji,

>

> Please do not forget that natal placements are the first and foremost

> requirement for any good or bad event to happen in our lives.

> If only transits would help, then why should we study a nativity at all.

> Transits only confirm what natal chart has to offer and dasha gives a green

> signal. Whether a transiting planet just brushes off or takes one on a ride

> with depends entirely on the planet's mandate in a natal chart.

>

> Saturn in second house must give its own results depending of course on its

> lordship and sign placement/varga disposition. I had mentioned a few results

> of this 2H saturn which was in own house.

>

> However, there are specific results/significance given by each and every

> placement (just basic placement) in any chart. The results may be of three

> types:

> 1. General traits given by such a placement which are felt by the native

> throughout his life: e.g Saturn with Rahu in an inimical sign in 2H would

> keep a native in constant fear of death. Saturn with mercury would make a

> native suspect his own family if in inimcal situation.

> 2. Specific events which take place in relevant dashas and appropriate

> transits: e.g. a person might eat bad food in the dasha of saturn in 2H and

> falls sick as saturn is also 6L in such a chart.

> 3. Transit based results: A person working in a bank gets transfered to a

> senior citizen's section or an old aunt comes to visit, etc.

>

> I am not talking about paranormal and esoteric experiences here. It is

> hard-core physical experiences which I am refering to. One can test them on

> 1000 charts and ceck the validity. This is simple astrology.

> However, as always, the results do get moderated by factors known to all of

> us and I do not need to add a diisclaimer everytime.

>

> Please feel free to agree or disagree. :-)

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

>

> 2009/11/27 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Dev ji,

> >

> > Exactly.

> >

> > Nonsense talking is the order of the day in astrology these days. Saturn

> > otherwise too from many places in its sojourn throughout the zodiac will

> > be aspecting the 2nd. It can also be in constellations of the Lord of

> > the 2nd. The 2nd provided " death like experiences " or " enjoyment of

> > togethrness with family " ???

> >

> > It seems that the whole logic of astrological principles are being

> > twisted just to emphasis on non existent claims.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > " axeplex " <axeplex@>

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Neelamji,

> > >

> > > With due respect to your explanation, we need to add more on this.

> > Saturn being a slow moving planet shall be in own sign for 5 years and

> > during those 5 years, every day at some time it shall be in 2nd

> > aspecting 11th. Does it mean all natives born during this period shall

> > have death like gains?

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > neelam gupta

> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of

> > house

> > > > significations and saturn's karakatwas.

> > > > Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and

> > *family*

> > > > would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from

> > death/death-like

> > > > situation.

> > > > If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in

> > negativity in

> > > > the manifestation of same karakatwas.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *Dear Neelam ji,

> > > > > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect

> > you

> > > > > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family

> > catastrophe

> > > > > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your

> > course of

> > > > > life.

> > > > > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or

> > have to be

> > > > > extra particular about your intake?

> > > > > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //*

> > > > > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i

> > always

> > > > > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th.

> > > > >

> > > > > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to

> > heart

> > > > > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a

> > jivan

> > > > > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the

> > course

> > > > > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra

> > particular

> > > > > about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!!

> > > > > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your

> > > > > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i

> > suppose....

> > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > .

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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