Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Dear Krishna Santhanamji Your interest is praise worthy. However, before I could answer, 1. could you please confirm the birth time, whether it is DAY LIGHT SAVING TIME OR WITHOUT THIS CORRECTION. I took DST and the corresponding lagna longitude is 189-16-57, and do confirm it if correct. 2. Moreover, the birth place within New York with name of hospital or coordinates is appreciated or else you can give links of this birth location 3. Name, caste, of this person is required to maintain recordsI took interest as this horoscope confirms many rules or dictums as per Brihatjataka and Jaimini I will send you a copy of this on lines of Varahamihira Thanking you Jairadhe Krish Santhanam <krishvedas06 vedic astrology Friday, 27 June, 2008 4:05:01 AM [vedic astrology] Death Namaskar. This young man died from complictions arising from Leukemia. He was a physician. Can the Gurus look at his chart. Which was the killer planet? His Jupiter was exalted. He was running Jupiter Mahadasa. His Natal Saturn is in Leo in Magha Nakshatra while transit Saturn is also in Leo in Magaha Nakshatra. Is Saturn responsible for his death? Which planet was a major contributor to his illness? Birth details: September 5, 1978. New York, New York. USA Time of Birth: 10:45 AM Death occcured in Boston, Mass., USA at 7AM on Wednesday, June 25. Thank You, Krish Santhanam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Dear Members, Earlier I mentioned about " seasonal death similarities " in each year..... again quoting from my observations without any valid data... On 26-June-2009 the news of Michael Jackson was announced {may be 25-June-2009 to those in Western hemisphere}... same date and time I also got death news of a close relative. Further, in my family friends circle, a distant aged female relative expired on 12-13th June 2009. The similarlity in all above - All of them had some serious medical ailment, incurable and were constant medication. All three cases - people died much below the average expetancy age. I do NOT have access to physian of Michael Jackson to know the type of medical ailments he underwent...except for the newspaper clippings - skin problems, constantly under medical drugs....incurable.....etc. Members, who have experienced " deaths " in their family or friends circle...can share their data...and experiences.... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2009 Report Share Posted June 29, 2009 Dear Sreeram ji Namaste. Farah Fawcett Majors , the star of the tv series " Charlie's Angels " died on the same morning as Michael Jackson on 25(26th) June 2009, she had been battling with cancer for 3 years. Just to add to your observation, warmest regards Sheevani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Namaste Ms. Sheevani ji, Thank you for the information...... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Neelam ji,//How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect you rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family catastrophe which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your course of life. How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or have to be extra particular about your intake?Are you a self-disciplinarian? //sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i always talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th.yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to heart attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a jivan mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the course while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra particular about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!!How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i suppose....Warm regards,gopi.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Gopi ji,Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of house significations and saturn's karakatwas. Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and *family* would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from death/death-like situation. If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in negativity in the manifestation of same karakatwas. RegardsNeelam2009/11/26 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Dear Neelam ji,//How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect you rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family catastrophe which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your course of life. How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or have to be extra particular about your intake?Are you a self-disciplinarian? //sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i always talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th. yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to heart attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a jivan mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the course while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra particular about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!! How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i suppose....Warm regards,gopi.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Neelam ji,really good/great observation no doubt.....Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Gopi ji,> > Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of house> significations and saturn's karakatwas.> Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and *family*> would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from death/death-like> situation.> If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in negativity in> the manifestation of same karakatwas.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna gopi_b927 > >> >> > *Dear Neelam ji,> > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect you> > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family catastrophe> > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your course of> > life.> > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or have to be> > extra particular about your intake?> > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //*> > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i always> > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th.> >> > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to heart> > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a jivan> > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the course> > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra particular> > about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!!> > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your> > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i suppose....> > Warm regards,> > gopi.> > .> >> >> > *> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Dear Neelam ji,just after posting i understood that it is not just observation but beyond may be intuition .....Warm regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Gopi ji,> > Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of house> significations and saturn's karakatwas.> Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and *family*> would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from death/death-like> situation.> If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in negativity in> the manifestation of same karakatwas.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna gopi_b927 > >> >> > *Dear Neelam ji,> > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect you> > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family catastrophe> > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your course of> > life.> > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or have to be> > extra particular about your intake?> > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //*> > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i always> > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th.> >> > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to heart> > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a jivan> > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the course> > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra particular> > about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!!> > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your> > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i suppose....> > Warm regards,> > gopi.> > .> >> >> > *> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Dear Neelamji, With due respect to your explanation, we need to add more on this. Saturn being a slow moving planet shall be in own sign for 5 years and during those 5 years, every day at some time it shall be in 2nd aspecting 11th. Does it mean all natives born during this period shall have death like gains? regds Dev , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Gopi ji, > > Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of house > significations and saturn's karakatwas. > Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and *family* > would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from death/death-like > situation. > If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in negativity in > the manifestation of same karakatwas. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > > 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 > > > > > > > *Dear Neelam ji, > > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect you > > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family catastrophe > > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your course of > > life. > > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or have to be > > extra particular about your intake? > > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //* > > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i always > > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th. > > > > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to heart > > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a jivan > > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the course > > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra particular > > about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!! > > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your > > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i suppose.... > > Warm regards, > > gopi. > > . > > > > > > * > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Dear Dev ji, Exactly. Nonsense talking is the order of the day in astrology these days. Saturn otherwise too from many places in its sojourn throughout the zodiac will be aspecting the 2nd. It can also be in constellations of the Lord of the 2nd. The 2nd provided " death like experiences " or " enjoyment of togethrness with family " ??? It seems that the whole logic of astrological principles are being twisted just to emphasis on non existent claims. Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Dear Neelamji, > > With due respect to your explanation, we need to add more on this. Saturn being a slow moving planet shall be in own sign for 5 years and during those 5 years, every day at some time it shall be in 2nd aspecting 11th. Does it mean all natives born during this period shall have death like gains? > > regds > Dev > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of house > > significations and saturn's karakatwas. > > Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and *family* > > would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from death/death-like > > situation. > > If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in negativity in > > the manifestation of same karakatwas. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > *Dear Neelam ji, > > > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect you > > > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family catastrophe > > > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your course of > > > life. > > > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or have to be > > > extra particular about your intake? > > > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //* > > > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i always > > > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th. > > > > > > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to heart > > > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a jivan > > > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the course > > > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra particular > > > about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!! > > > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your > > > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i suppose.... > > > Warm regards, > > > gopi. > > > . > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji, Dev ji,Please do not forget that natal placements are the first and foremost requirement for any good or bad event to happen in our lives. If only transits would help, then why should we study a nativity at all. Transits only confirm what natal chart has to offer and dasha gives a green signal. Whether a transiting planet just brushes off or takes one on a ride with depends entirely on the planet's mandate in a natal chart. Saturn in second house must give its own results depending of course on its lordship and sign placement/varga disposition. I had mentioned a few results of this 2H saturn which was in own house. However, there are specific results/significance given by each and every placement (just basic placement) in any chart. The results may be of three types: 1. General traits given by such a placement which are felt by the native throughout his life: e.g Saturn with Rahu in an inimical sign in 2H would keep a native in constant fear of death. Saturn with mercury would make a native suspect his own family if in inimcal situation. 2. Specific events which take place in relevant dashas and appropriate transits: e.g. a person might eat bad food in the dasha of saturn in 2H and falls sick as saturn is also 6L in such a chart.3. Transit based results: A person working in a bank gets transfered to a senior citizen's section or an old aunt comes to visit, etc. I am not talking about paranormal and esoteric experiences here. It is hard-core physical experiences which I am refering to. One can test them on 1000 charts and ceck the validity. This is simple astrology.However, as always, the results do get moderated by factors known to all of us and I do not need to add a diisclaimer everytime. Please feel free to agree or disagree. :-)RegardsNeelam2009/11/27 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Dear Dev ji, Exactly. Nonsense talking is the order of the day in astrology these days. Saturn otherwise too from many places in its sojourn throughout the zodiac will be aspecting the 2nd. It can also be in constellations of the Lord of the 2nd. The 2nd provided " death like experiences " or " enjoyment of togethrness with family " ??? It seems that the whole logic of astrological principles are being twisted just to emphasis on non existent claims. Bhaskar. , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > Dear Neelamji, > > With due respect to your explanation, we need to add more on this. Saturn being a slow moving planet shall be in own sign for 5 years and during those 5 years, every day at some time it shall be in 2nd aspecting 11th. Does it mean all natives born during this period shall have death like gains? > > regds > Dev > > , neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of house > > significations and saturn's karakatwas. > > Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and *family* > > would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from death/death-like > > situation. > > If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in negativity in > > the manifestation of same karakatwas. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > *Dear Neelam ji, > > > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect you > > > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family catastrophe > > > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your course of > > > life. > > > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or have to be > > > extra particular about your intake? > > > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //* > > > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i always > > > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th. > > > > > > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to heart > > > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a jivan > > > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the course > > > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra particular > > > about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!! > > > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your > > > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i suppose.... > > > Warm regards, > > > gopi. > > > . > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, Very rarely do I disagree with what you agree with. same here. Very true that that the Natal placements can only bring about the results through transits, and not otherwise. If only transits could bring our results then there would be no necessity for individual Horoscopes and every Leo, or Taurus or whatever sign person could have been, would have felt same results throughout the world. Your examples makes one ponder, if only I had so much time... best wishes, Bhaskar. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, Dev ji, > > Please do not forget that natal placements are the first and foremost > requirement for any good or bad event to happen in our lives. > If only transits would help, then why should we study a nativity at all. > Transits only confirm what natal chart has to offer and dasha gives a green > signal. Whether a transiting planet just brushes off or takes one on a ride > with depends entirely on the planet's mandate in a natal chart. > > Saturn in second house must give its own results depending of course on its > lordship and sign placement/varga disposition. I had mentioned a few results > of this 2H saturn which was in own house. > > However, there are specific results/significance given by each and every > placement (just basic placement) in any chart. The results may be of three > types: > 1. General traits given by such a placement which are felt by the native > throughout his life: e.g Saturn with Rahu in an inimical sign in 2H would > keep a native in constant fear of death. Saturn with mercury would make a > native suspect his own family if in inimcal situation. > 2. Specific events which take place in relevant dashas and appropriate > transits: e.g. a person might eat bad food in the dasha of saturn in 2H and > falls sick as saturn is also 6L in such a chart. > 3. Transit based results: A person working in a bank gets transfered to a > senior citizen's section or an old aunt comes to visit, etc. > > I am not talking about paranormal and esoteric experiences here. It is > hard-core physical experiences which I am refering to. One can test them on > 1000 charts and ceck the validity. This is simple astrology. > However, as always, the results do get moderated by factors known to all of > us and I do not need to add a diisclaimer everytime. > > Please feel free to agree or disagree. :-) > > Regards > Neelam > > > > > 2009/11/27 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > Exactly. > > > > Nonsense talking is the order of the day in astrology these days. Saturn > > otherwise too from many places in its sojourn throughout the zodiac will > > be aspecting the 2nd. It can also be in constellations of the Lord of > > the 2nd. The 2nd provided " death like experiences " or " enjoyment of > > togethrness with family " ??? > > > > It seems that the whole logic of astrological principles are being > > twisted just to emphasis on non existent claims. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > --- In <%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > > " axeplex " axeplex@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > With due respect to your explanation, we need to add more on this. > > Saturn being a slow moving planet shall be in own sign for 5 years and > > during those 5 years, every day at some time it shall be in 2nd > > aspecting 11th. Does it mean all natives born during this period shall > > have death like gains? > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > --- In <%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > > neelam gupta > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of > > house > > > > significations and saturn's karakatwas. > > > > Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and > > *family* > > > > would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from > > death/death-like > > > > situation. > > > > If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in > > negativity in > > > > the manifestation of same karakatwas. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect > > you > > > > > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family > > catastrophe > > > > > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your > > course of > > > > > life. > > > > > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or > > have to be > > > > > extra particular about your intake? > > > > > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //* > > > > > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i > > always > > > > > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th. > > > > > > > > > > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to > > heart > > > > > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a > > jivan > > > > > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the > > course > > > > > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra > > particular > > > > > about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!! > > > > > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your > > > > > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i > > suppose.... > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > gopi. > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Dear Neelam ji,sorry to intervene,// Transits only confirm what natal chart has to offer and dasha gives a green> signal. Whether a transiting planet just brushes off or takes one on a ride> with depends entirely on the planet's mandate in a natal chart.//totally agree since it is replicable and true.//Saturn in second house must give its own results depending of course on its> lordship and sign placement/varga disposition. //agreed.// I am not talking about paranormal and esoteric experiences here. It is> hard-core physical experiences which I am refering to. One can test them on> 1000 charts and ceck the validity. This is simple astrology.//this is great.In fact there is nothing to disagree(for any body)since it's a good educative post.Regards,gopi. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji, Dev ji,> > Please do not forget that natal placements are the first and foremost> requirement for any good or bad event to happen in our lives.> If only transits would help, then why should we study a nativity at all.> Transits only confirm what natal chart has to offer and dasha gives a green> signal. Whether a transiting planet just brushes off or takes one on a ride> with depends entirely on the planet's mandate in a natal chart.> > Saturn in second house must give its own results depending of course on its> lordship and sign placement/varga disposition. I had mentioned a few results> of this 2H saturn which was in own house.> > However, there are specific results/significance given by each and every> placement (just basic placement) in any chart. The results may be of three> types:> 1. General traits given by such a placement which are felt by the native> throughout his life: e.g Saturn with Rahu in an inimical sign in 2H would> keep a native in constant fear of death. Saturn with mercury would make a> native suspect his own family if in inimcal situation.> 2. Specific events which take place in relevant dashas and appropriate> transits: e.g. a person might eat bad food in the dasha of saturn in 2H and> falls sick as saturn is also 6L in such a chart.> 3. Transit based results: A person working in a bank gets transfered to a> senior citizen's section or an old aunt comes to visit, etc.> > I am not talking about paranormal and esoteric experiences here. It is> hard-core physical experiences which I am refering to. One can test them on> 1000 charts and ceck the validity. This is simple astrology.> However, as always, the results do get moderated by factors known to all of> us and I do not need to add a diisclaimer everytime.> > Please feel free to agree or disagree. :-)> > Regards> Neelam> > > > > 2009/11/27 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > >> >> >> > Dear Dev ji,> >> > Exactly.> >> > Nonsense talking is the order of the day in astrology these days. Saturn> > otherwise too from many places in its sojourn throughout the zodiac will> > be aspecting the 2nd. It can also be in constellations of the Lord of> > the 2nd. The 2nd provided "death like experiences" or "enjoyment of> > togethrness with family" ???> >> > It seems that the whole logic of astrological principles are being> > twisted just to emphasis on non existent claims.> >> > Bhaskar.> >> > <%40>,> > "axeplex" axeplex@> > wrote:> >> > >> > > Dear Neelamji,> > >> > > With due respect to your explanation, we need to add more on this.> > Saturn being a slow moving planet shall be in own sign for 5 years and> > during those 5 years, every day at some time it shall be in 2nd> > aspecting 11th. Does it mean all natives born during this period shall> > have death like gains?> > >> > > regds> > > Dev> > >> > > <%40>,> > neelam gupta> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > >> > > > Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of> > house> > > > significations and saturn's karakatwas.> > > > Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and> > *family*> > > > would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from> > death/death-like> > > > situation.> > > > If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in> > negativity in> > > > the manifestation of same karakatwas.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > *Dear Neelam ji,> > > > > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect> > you> > > > > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family> > catastrophe> > > > > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your> > course of> > > > > life.> > > > > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or> > have to be> > > > > extra particular about your intake?> > > > > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //*> > > > > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i> > always> > > > > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th.> > > > >> > > > > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to> > heart> > > > > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a> > jivan> > > > > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the> > course> > > > > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra> > particular> > > > > about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!!> > > > > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your> > > > > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i> > suppose....> > > > > Warm regards,> > > > > gopi.> > > > > .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > *> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji,Thanks. Hope you find time not only to ponder over the examples, but also to add on to the list! :-)I know your examples would make an interesting and educative reading.RegardsNeelam 2009/11/27 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Dear Neelam ji, Very rarely do I disagree with what you agree with. same here. Very true that that the Natal placements can only bring about the results through transits, and not otherwise. If only transits could bring our results then there would be no necessity for individual Horoscopes and every Leo, or Taurus or whatever sign person could have been, would have felt same results throughout the world. Your examples makes one ponder, if only I had so much time... best wishes, Bhaskar. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, Dev ji, > > Please do not forget that natal placements are the first and foremost > requirement for any good or bad event to happen in our lives. > If only transits would help, then why should we study a nativity at all. > Transits only confirm what natal chart has to offer and dasha gives a green > signal. Whether a transiting planet just brushes off or takes one on a ride > with depends entirely on the planet's mandate in a natal chart. > > Saturn in second house must give its own results depending of course on its > lordship and sign placement/varga disposition. I had mentioned a few results > of this 2H saturn which was in own house. > > However, there are specific results/significance given by each and every > placement (just basic placement) in any chart. The results may be of three > types: > 1. General traits given by such a placement which are felt by the native > throughout his life: e.g Saturn with Rahu in an inimical sign in 2H would > keep a native in constant fear of death. Saturn with mercury would make a > native suspect his own family if in inimcal situation. > 2. Specific events which take place in relevant dashas and appropriate > transits: e.g. a person might eat bad food in the dasha of saturn in 2H and > falls sick as saturn is also 6L in such a chart. > 3. Transit based results: A person working in a bank gets transfered to a > senior citizen's section or an old aunt comes to visit, etc. > > I am not talking about paranormal and esoteric experiences here. It is > hard-core physical experiences which I am refering to. One can test them on > 1000 charts and ceck the validity. This is simple astrology. > However, as always, the results do get moderated by factors known to all of > us and I do not need to add a diisclaimer everytime. > > Please feel free to agree or disagree. :-) > > Regards > Neelam > > > > > 2009/11/27 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > Exactly. > > > > Nonsense talking is the order of the day in astrology these days. Saturn > > otherwise too from many places in its sojourn throughout the zodiac will > > be aspecting the 2nd. It can also be in constellations of the Lord of > > the 2nd. The 2nd provided " death like experiences " or " enjoyment of > > togethrness with family " ??? > > > > It seems that the whole logic of astrological principles are being > > twisted just to emphasis on non existent claims. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > --- In <%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > > " axeplex " axeplex@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > With due respect to your explanation, we need to add more on this. > > Saturn being a slow moving planet shall be in own sign for 5 years and > > during those 5 years, every day at some time it shall be in 2nd > > aspecting 11th. Does it mean all natives born during this period shall > > have death like gains? > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > --- In <%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > > neelam gupta > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of > > house > > > > significations and saturn's karakatwas. > > > > Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and > > *family* > > > > would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from > > death/death-like > > > > situation. > > > > If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in > > negativity in > > > > the manifestation of same karakatwas. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect > > you > > > > > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family > > catastrophe > > > > > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your > > course of > > > > > life. > > > > > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or > > have to be > > > > > extra particular about your intake? > > > > > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //* > > > > > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i > > always > > > > > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th. > > > > > > > > > > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to > > heart > > > > > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a > > jivan > > > > > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the > > course > > > > > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra > > particular > > > > > about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!! > > > > > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your > > > > > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i > > suppose.... > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > gopi. > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, There is no disagreement. I clearly mentioned something more needs to be added to your previous message. All I wanted was to include divisions or D-chart in analysis. Sorry, I could not understand when you wrote " Please do not forget that natal placements are the first and foremost requirement for any good or bad event to happen in our lives " We were discussing natal placements only in previous discussion. If you were discussing transits, then I missed that message. Off course, natal placement, divisions and transits, everything needs to be coupled together to identify an individual. regds dev , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, Dev ji, > > Please do not forget that natal placements are the first and foremost > requirement for any good or bad event to happen in our lives. > If only transits would help, then why should we study a nativity at all. > Transits only confirm what natal chart has to offer and dasha gives a green > signal. Whether a transiting planet just brushes off or takes one on a ride > with depends entirely on the planet's mandate in a natal chart. > > Saturn in second house must give its own results depending of course on its > lordship and sign placement/varga disposition. I had mentioned a few results > of this 2H saturn which was in own house. > > However, there are specific results/significance given by each and every > placement (just basic placement) in any chart. The results may be of three > types: > 1. General traits given by such a placement which are felt by the native > throughout his life: e.g Saturn with Rahu in an inimical sign in 2H would > keep a native in constant fear of death. Saturn with mercury would make a > native suspect his own family if in inimcal situation. > 2. Specific events which take place in relevant dashas and appropriate > transits: e.g. a person might eat bad food in the dasha of saturn in 2H and > falls sick as saturn is also 6L in such a chart. > 3. Transit based results: A person working in a bank gets transfered to a > senior citizen's section or an old aunt comes to visit, etc. > > I am not talking about paranormal and esoteric experiences here. It is > hard-core physical experiences which I am refering to. One can test them on > 1000 charts and ceck the validity. This is simple astrology. > However, as always, the results do get moderated by factors known to all of > us and I do not need to add a diisclaimer everytime. > > Please feel free to agree or disagree. :-) > > Regards > Neelam > > > > > 2009/11/27 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > Exactly. > > > > Nonsense talking is the order of the day in astrology these days. Saturn > > otherwise too from many places in its sojourn throughout the zodiac will > > be aspecting the 2nd. It can also be in constellations of the Lord of > > the 2nd. The 2nd provided " death like experiences " or " enjoyment of > > togethrness with family " ??? > > > > It seems that the whole logic of astrological principles are being > > twisted just to emphasis on non existent claims. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " axeplex " <axeplex@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > > > With due respect to your explanation, we need to add more on this. > > Saturn being a slow moving planet shall be in own sign for 5 years and > > during those 5 years, every day at some time it shall be in 2nd > > aspecting 11th. Does it mean all natives born during this period shall > > have death like gains? > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > neelam gupta > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your input. It was a simple observation, a combination of > > house > > > > significations and saturn's karakatwas. > > > > Shani, the ayukarak, strong in own 2H which signifies *death* and > > *family* > > > > would allow the native to gain (aspect on 11th) from > > death/death-like > > > > situation. > > > > If shani is deb/inimical sign/ not strong, it would bring in > > negativity in > > > > the manifestation of same karakatwas. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/11/26 gopalakrishna gopi_b927@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > //*How have you experienced *death* as shani in 2H would connect > > you > > > > > rather intimately with this reality. There could be some family > > catastrophe > > > > > which can bring you closer to this hard reality and change your > > course of > > > > > life. > > > > > How about food habits? Are you not regular with your meals? Or > > have to be > > > > > extra particular about your intake? > > > > > Are you a self-disciplinarian? //* > > > > > sorry to intervene but these questions belong to me as well as i > > always > > > > > talk exalted and vargottama sat in my 2ndH asp by jup from 10th. > > > > > > > > > > yes.I have not only seen my father's death with in 10/15mts due to > > heart > > > > > attack but my own death experience and coming back to life which a > > jivan > > > > > mukta called a MIRACLE.My own death experience totally changed the > > course > > > > > while my father's death changed it to some extent.Yes i am extra > > particular > > > > > about my food intake and of course i am a self disciplinarian!!!! > > > > > How do you come up things like that?That's why i call your > > > > > observations/readings as gems to suit your name as well i > > suppose.... > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > gopi. > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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