Rashi in Vedic literature / Greeks learnt everything from the Indians.

July 9, 2009

That is so beautifl dada. Please tell us more.

Rohini

vedic astrology , Sunil Bhattacharjya

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> Dear Rohini,

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> Not really. I was telling that Narakasura and Bhagadatta of Pragjyotishpur

were asuras and they were yavanas too. Mayasura was probably from

Pragjyotishpur. Do you know that Varahamihira and his astrologer daughter-in-law

Khona were from the Assam- West Bengal border. It is believed that Khona

surpassed Varahamihira in the knowledge of Jyotish shastra. At one time the

Jyotish shastra flourished in the North-Eastern India.

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> From my studies I find that the Greeks appear to have learnt everything from

India. Plato came out of Greece for more than a decade in quest of knowledge and

he did visit India in the 5th century BCE. When he returned to Greece he founded

his Academy of higher learning in Greece in the late 5th ventury BCE. His

institute was the first of its kind in the western world.

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> Now you may ask as to why then Pingree thought that the Indians learnt

everything from the Greeks. It is because of the Jonesian chronology, based on

which Prof. Max Muller proposed the Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT) and fixed the

earliest date of the Rigveda as the 12th century BCE. All the AIT-followers

believed that Sandracottus was Chandragupta Maurya and automatically the date of

his guru, Vishnugupta (or Kautilya or Chanakya), who was a teaccher at the

Takshashila university, got fixed around 4th century BCE. Being an honest

person (rightly Swami Vivekananda calls him a great saint) Prof. Max Muller

realised that his chronology was suspect and he himself put the first nail in

the coffin of AIT by saying that nobody can tell the date of the Rigveda. He

even indicated that it could even be in the 4th millennium BCE. However the

colonialist historians were in no mood to listen to Max Muller again and they

conveniently ignored Max Muller's revised

> opinion. He must now be turning in his grave. Because of this distorted

chronology Dr. David Pingree thought that the date of Plato's academy preceded

that of he Takshashila university, whereas in reality the Takshashila university

preceded Plato's institute by more than a millennium. Plato and his subsequent

followers got all the knowledge freom India and then it went to the entire west.

One can call Pingree a distortionist but in reality he was a victim of the

Jonesian chronology.

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> --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:

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> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

> [vedic astrology] Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the

Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

> vedic astrology

> Thursday, July 9, 2009, 5:07 PM

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Chi Chi Dada! Now you are saying that Surya-siddhanta was of greek

origin?

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> Maybe in those very ancient times the world was not as divided as it is today

with silos of cultural, ethnic, racial, national and other types! Maybe back

then nations were principalities with God the ultimate monarch and not the mini

and micro Gods that preside over nations these days! Maybe knowledge and love

flowed more easily and readily across the continents which for all I know may

have been closer, physically, mentally and spiritually!

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> After all, I have heard that DNA analysis indicates that all human beings

(Caucasians, Mongolian, Australio-african, blah blah blah) are more alike than

different! I don't buy the story of Genesis (Adam and Eve) literally but one

wonders ...!

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> vedic astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya

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> > You should not subordinate facts to opinions. Bhagadatta was king of Kamrupa

but was lord of Yavanas in the west too : this is said in MBH and is not my

opinion. But MBh says Yavanas lived in south India as well (see the references

already sent by me). I have not found a single reference of yavanas living in

Kamrup. But I know Yavanas of west were NRI who went out or were expelled by

earlier chakravartins of India due to their nefarious samskaara : it is proven

by Havi to gods and Yajnic karmakaanda by ancestors of Greeks as narrated by

Aristophanes in his drama " The Birds " written around the end of 5th century BCE

(Eurocentricists deliberately neglect such direct evidences). Bhagadatta was the

most illustrious among all kings hailing from outside Ayravarta and came from an

asuric land. Hence, it is not strange that yavanas from Afghanistan accepted his

leadership. I prepared a list of peoples and kings siding with Kauravas and with

Pandavas, and found

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Civil War or a World War dividing all peoples on cultural lines : among those

upholding Dharma and Adharma, to put it in simplistic terms. Shalya was related

to Pandavas but fought against them without any grievance against pandavas. The

reason is explained by Karna, who narrates the non-Aryan culture of Madra-desha.

Thus , MBh is about a War between Dharma and Adharma. Seen in this broad

perspective, it is not surprising why yavanas regarded the most Asuric king as

their leader, perhaps before they came to fight this War. Bhagadatta was a great

Tantric. He used Narayanastra against Arjuna, which Lord Krishna took on

himself. MBh mentions many Astras and Shastras which have now vanished.

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> > Why did you hold the reasons in the first place? Bhagadatta took the yavanas

along his way and his way was from Kamarupa to Hastinapur. If you know more

reasons please do let us know. Common sense says that the yavanas did not come

to Hastinapur without a leader. So it is difficult for me to understand that the

Yavanas had chosen Bhagadatta as their leader only after they reached

Hastinapur.

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between king of Assam being lord of west, instead of denying the existence of a

verse in an ancient text. Should I give my reasons ? But you dismiss facts cited

by me, how will you admit opinions coming from me ??

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Kamarupa through Bengal and like that. So how can he be a king of the west? He

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version) says in verse 14 (verse 13 in internet edition) that Bhagadatta was

" Yavanaadhipati " and was " lord of the West (Prateechya) like Varuna "

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which excluded many genuine verses on the basis of an illogical principle :

exclusion of verses not common to all manuscripts. Yet, this edition is a hany

tool for easy references : you can get advantage of search box for locating al

referwences of terms lke " yavana " or " Bhagadatta " or " Pragjyotishapur " .

Pragjyotishapur lirally means " City of the Eastern Lights " . But Bhagadatta is

eulogised as Lord of the West !! Only a complete scanning of MBh can clear which

verses are genuine and which are interpolations. For instance, the term " yavana "

occurs only once in the critical edition's Adi Parva, although terms like

chyavana occurs many times. Hence, sandhi must be taken into account.

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for PhD thesis to my friend in Sanskrit department of Vikram University, Ujjain,

Dr Musalgaonkar, a famous Sanskrit scholar, for his student. He has asked me to

provide an outline on whose basis he and his student could prepare the synopsis.

I intend to confine the thesis to theoretical concepts of Jyotisha and leave out

those portions future researchers which do not fit into this theme. for

instance, the statements of Bhishma Pitamaha can be compared with Paitaamaha

Siddhanta of Panchsiddhantikaa of Varaha Mihira, or the computational or

theoretical statements in MBh can be compared with Suryasiddhanta and other

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yavanas fought on the side of Kauravas. Bhagadatta was one of leading commanders

of Kauravas. If he led some yavanas too, among others, it does not mean yavanas

came from Kamrupa. Yavana is derived from Ionia, the letter " I " in Ionia carried

a mark which was pronounced as " Ya " in Greek but later influence of Semitic

script for this Aryan language distorted the pronumciation as well and now Ionia

is pronounced according to its Semitic (Roman, derived from Hebrew ) script and

not according to its original pronunciation. There are numerous instances of

Yavana used for Greeks in ancient literature. Read Milinda Panho, in which King

Milinda (Minander) was a yavana. Alexander and Greek ambassadors are called as

yavanas in ancient Indian literature. The Sanskrit term Yavanika was borrowed

from Greek drama which was played not is halls but in open fields and needed

curtains ; indian drama

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there is also no description of their habitat and the ways of their life. Their

very identification as the Yavanas itself is suspect as Bhagadatta, the son of

Narakasura, was the King of Kamrupa and he led a group of yavanas to Hastinapur

and if one goes by this then the yavanas were the residents of Kamarupa. These

Yavanas were not much different from the Danavas as Kamarupa was also the place

of the Danavas along with nthe Asuras. Narakasura had Banasura as a contemporary

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calendar in the round of present discussions. But Shri Hari Malla took off

tangentially to give it a calendar angle as if to mean that we are following the

Gregorian calendar and that is the only reason for our progress. So to set

things right I broughrt to the notice of the members that we had both the

calendars in the ancient times and without making any comp[romise both the

calendar coexisted. Many people are making noise that the Makar Sankranti

shoiuld be celebrated on the UIttarayana day. I want to ask them whether they

know of any reference which states if the Makar Sankranti was observed when at

the beginning of the Treta Yuga the Uttarayana occurred in the Krittika

Nakshatra.

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visited India and that without him the knowledge of India would not have gone to

the West (of course, obviously at that time). This is given in a Paper in the

journal " Theosophy " , vol.27, No. 10 (August 1939). There is another paper

antitled " Plato in Afghanistan and India " , by W.L.Lorimer in American Journal of

Philology, vol. 53, No. 2, (1932). After returning from India Plato established

an Instiutute of Higher learning in Athens, the first institute of its kind in

the West. The university at Takshashila was established a mellennium before

Plato's institute in Greece. Herodotus also wrote about India even befpre Plato.

However no such mention of the Greek civilistion is there in the ancient Indian

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who responded to the best of their personal perspectives -- and I am ready to

believe that they all did so transparently for I am convinced that no one who is

posting and sharing on this forum has any ulterior motive or personal sneaky

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other. The Gregorian calendar is originally based on Vedic Seasonal calendar

taken to the west much before Jesus Christ was born. Julius ceasar ammended it

and then Gregory ammnded it further. Greeks got a lot of knowledge from us. Do

you know that Aristotle studies in Takshashila? It is reported that even Plato

came to Takshashila. Then in the 4th century BCE Megasthenes learnt from India

during his stay in india as the Greek ambassador. Later on Ptolemy sent

ambassador to the court of Samudragupta. All these people learnt a lot from

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sayan Gregorian calendar, which is widely used in India now a days.The true

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> > > > > Dear Jha Saheb,

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> > > > > Since you quoted and seemingly responded to the content in my message

inspite of addressing Sunil-Da, it would be impolite of me to not respond to you

directly ;-)

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> > > > > .... And The Ascension has begun again from what I hear and that is

GREAT NEWS from my Matribhoomi!

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> > > > > Best wishes as always,

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> > > > > Rohiniranjan

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> > > > > , Vinay Jha wrote:

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> > > > > > Sunil Da,

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> > > > > > Even for agriculture and related activities, Midini Jyotish does not

prescribe tropical astrology. Nirayana Mesha Samkrannti gives phala of whole

year in all fields , including agriculture and climate. Similarly, mundane

horoscopes for other samkrantis and nakshatra transits yield accurate results

only when sidereal method is followed. Seasons are tropical, but their

regulators are medini (mundane) horoscopes of solar transits into nirayana

Raashis and Nakshatras.

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> > > > > > Countries which follow tropical astrology have prospered onlt

recently. During 99% of whole human history, India was far better than Europe in

agriculture & c.

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> > > > > > -VJ

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> > > > > > ============ ======= ============

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> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

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> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

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> > > > > > Wednesday, July 1, 2009 6:38:50 AM

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> > > > > > Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant

Chronology and the Sidereal

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> > > > > > Maybe they (Sayan) should be utilized for agriculture because of

seasons and how crops and harvests are connected to the LOCAL seasons in the

different zones all within this world of ours?

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> > > > > > Places where SAYAN ZODIAC has been followed for decades and

centuries or longer -- do seem to have better harvests and more food available

for some strange reason...

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> > > > > > , Vinay Jha wrote:

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> > > > > > > Well said Sunil da. In astrology, Sun is only one of many Grahas,

and not the sole arbiter of everything. Hence, Sayana Raashis cannot be used to

make horoscopes.

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> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

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> > > > > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya

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> > > > > > > Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:41:55 AM

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> > > > > > > Re: Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the

Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> > > > > > > Dear members,

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> > > > > > > I am really flabbergasted by the following statemenmt :

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> > > > > > > Quote

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> > > > > > > Thus there is calendar reform proposal to move the rashis too by

one month to match with the original seasons, ie to name the bresent meen rashi

as the new epochal mesh rashi.

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> > > > > > > Unquote

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> > > > > > > How can the Nirayana Rashis move as contain fixed (non-moving)

Nakshatras? The Sayana rashis are anyway the imitation rashis and they only move

along with the moving Tropical zodiac.

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> > > > > > > Regards,

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> > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

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> > > > > > > --- On Mon, 6/29/09, harimalla@rocketmai l.com wrote:

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> > > > > > > harimalla@rocketmai l.com

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> > > > > > > Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the

Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> > > > > > > Monday, June 29, 2009, 6:53 PM

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> > > > > > > Dear Rohiniranjanji,

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> > > > > > > May your wish to keep it a mature forum with a good past and a

good future be fulfilled!

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> > > > > > > To my knowledge,precessio n which is the wobbly motion of the

earth changing the pole stars in the long run, does not influence the eclliptic

path and its shape.This precession is independant although both this motion and

the annual orbit of the earth is carried out by the earth.

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> > > > > > > This precession is caused mainly by the lunar gravitaion on the

earth whereas the earth orbit is cased by the gravitation of the sun on the

earth.Precession does shift the seasons or ayanamsa about one month in 2150

years.thus originally about 1700 years ago mesh sankranti was spring equinox.Due

to precesion, the spring equnox has moved by 24 days in the solar sense, and one

full month in the lunar sense.Thus there is calendar reform proposal to move the

rashis too by one month to match with the original seasons, ie to name the

bresent meen rashi as the new epochal mesh rashi.This is necessary to celebrate

the festivals in their resbective seasons.

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> > > > > > > Regards,

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> > > > > > > Hari Malla

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> > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " wrote:

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> > > > > > > > Dinesh-ji,

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> > > > > > > > Fascinating discussions and it is wonderful to see that other

than good-hearted jibs and jabs -- no abusive outpourings have ensued as has

become the norm in some places :-(

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> > > > > > > > Let us maintain the decorum continuingly for this is a mature

forum that was once blessed by none other than Sri K.N. Rao who has done for

Jyotish what an injection of adrenaline would do to a dying person, or one of

those electrical defibrillators, that resuscitate dying people, that are now

being installed in malls and shopping plazas in some developed nations.

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> > > > > > > > This matter about the ecliptic belt, which I was told is really

created by the projected travel-path of the earth around the sun (creating the

apparent movement of sun, the ayanas, the seasons and what not) -- although SUN

has its slower true motion too (galactic) --- I am curious to find out if the

notion of " ecliptic " and what it is is at all influenced by the slow polar

wobble of the earth which makes it point towards a different pole star over the

long cycle of ayanamsha as the S.V.P. shifts?

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> > > > > > > > , Dinesh Dheengra wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > Dear Respected Sunilji, Mallaji and Jhaaji,

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> > > > > > > > > My work is just to show that how constellations' s star are

scattered around the ecliptic.

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> > > > > > > > > i will comeup with document and ppl will see it and will bear

in mind what Sunilji and Mallaji were saying.

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> > > > > > > > > Mallaji said that stars which are away from ecliptic should

also affect on earth like other stars affect us.

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> > > > > > > > > Sunilji said that all constellation' s star are on ecliptic so

only those can affect and others can not.

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> > > > > > > > > But my point was that stars which formed the consteallation

itself are scattered -9 to +9 degrees from ecliptic so in the same way stars

which are more away from ecliptic should also affect it.Many planets even dont

go to partcular constellation and we say it is in that Rashi( as SBji has siad

that Rashis came up with animal shaped constellation) .

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> > > > > > > > > Give me some time i will show that to all of you the reality.

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> > > > > > > > > Till that time LOVE TO ALL....

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> > > > > > > > > Love you all

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> > > > > > > > > Dinesh Dheengra

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> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 28/6/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya

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> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the

Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> > > > > > > > > Sunday, 28 June, 2009, 8:59 AM

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> > > > > > > > > Dear Dheengraji,

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> > > > > > > > > I am waiting for your reply to my mail No. 23743. For your

ready reference I am repeating the contents of that mail below:

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> > > > > > > > > Shri Harimallaji thinks that the constellations (Nakshatras)

in the ecliptic

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> > > > > > > > > band were chosen arbitrarilily and that they are also of no

use if other

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> > > > > > > > > constellations outside the ecliptic band are not considered to

be of having any

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> > > > > > > > > effect on man. This is his assertion and subsequently he

reasserted that.

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> > > > > > > > > Assertions and reassertions are after all assertions. He never

cared to

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> > > > > > > > > understand why the constellations in the ecliptic band was

chosen in the first

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> > > > > > > > > place in preference to the constallationa outside the ecliptic

band. Do you

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> > > > > > > > > think he is right in ignoring the reasons for the preferential

choice of the

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> > > > > > > > > constallation in theecliptic band? Or should we assume that he

is ignorant of

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> > > > > > > > > the same?

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> > > > > > > > > He admits that he does not believe in astrology. It appears to

me that he

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> > > > > > > > > is trying to mean that if the constellations outside the

ecliptic band have no

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> > > > > > > > > effect on man then the constellations within the ecliptic band

also would not

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> > > > > > > > > have any effect on man and therefore the astrology, which

involves these useless

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> > > > > > > > > constellations is also of no use to man. He says so because he

does not know in

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> > > > > > > > > the first place why the constallations in the ecliptic band

were chosen

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> > > > > > > > > preferentially. Do you think that his assertions has any

merit?

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> > > > > > > > > Do you think this assessment of mine holds any truth?

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> > > > > > > > > Unquote

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> > > > > > > > > Awaiting your reply.

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> > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

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> > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

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> > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 6/27/09, harimalla@rocketmai l.com wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > harimalla@rocketmai l.com

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> > > > > > > > > Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the

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> > > > > > > > > Saturday, June 27, 2009, 8:54 PM

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> > > > > > > > > Dear Dhreengraji, Jhaaji and Bhattacharjyaji,

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> > > > > > > > > The discussion is taking a interesting turn.I think truth is

truth, old or new. Jhaaji is saying it is a age old thing, but there is no

problem in being age old.Many times the older, the more truer. Thus let us

concentrate in what Dheengraji is saying.

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> > > > > > > > > He is saying, the signs of the zodiacs is not on the ecliptic

exactly, it is say, plus minus eight or nine degrees on the ecliptic.If it

should be true for plus minus eight( or 9) then why it should not be true when

it is plus minus forty five degrees? He says we are also marking as on the

rashis when actually it is not.

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> > > > > > > > > Thus according to Dhreengraji, it should be true for 45

degreees if true for 8 (or 9)degrees.Am I right Dhreengraji? what would Jhaaji

and Bhattachrjyaji say? Please give reasons why Dhreengraji is not right? Thank

you,

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> > > > > > > > > Regards,

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> > > > > > > > > HAri Malla

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> > > > > > > > > , Vinay Jha wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > > Mr Dinesh Dheengra Ji ,

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> > > > > > > > > > Your statement about " age-old point " reveals your hatred for

ancient wisdom just because it is ancient. Moreover, your statement about

correspondence of raashis with constellations shows that you are neither a

scientist nor an astrologer. If you are a scientist, how can you prove that

physical stars or planets can have astrological effects ? If you are a supporter

of astrology, why you do not test astrology on the basis of its standard

( " age-old " ) principles before discarding them, which are " age-old " (ie,

outdated) for you ?

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> > > > > > > > > > <<< " Vinayji is saying it is age old point:- i think Vinay

ji himself has not checked the position of conestellation on ecliptic... " . >>>

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> > > > > > > > > > I studied these things since 1973. You may read the

following :

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> > > > > > > > > > http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ NASA%27s_ Report%3B_

%26_my_Paper_ accepted_ by_CAOS%2C_ IISc

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> > > > > > > > > > Ignorance can be cured, but there is no cure for prejudice.

One who is biased against " age-old " things should keep away from astrology,

because it is an age-old thing.

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> > > > > > > > > > I gave a more detailed answer to Mt Hari Malla about this

point, but you do not desrve such an answer, because you have already written me

off as an outdated person.

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> > > > > > > > > > -VJ

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> > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= = =========

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> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

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> > > > > > > > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya

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> > > > > > > > > > Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:58:17 PM

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> > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Rashi in Vedic literature,

the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Dheengraji,

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> >

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> > > > > > > > > > Shri Harimallaji thinks that the constellations (Nakshatras)

in the ecliptic band were chosen arbitrarilily and that they are also of no use

if other constellations outside the ecliptic band are not considered to be of

having any effect on man. This is his assertion and subsequently he reasserted

that. Assertions and reassertions are after all assertions. He never cared to

understand why the constellations in the ecliptic band was chosen in the first

place in preference to the constallationa outside the ecliptic band. Do you

think he is right in ignoring the reasons for the preferential choice of the

constallation in theecliptic band? Or should we assume that he is ignorant of

the same?

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> > > > > > > > > > He admits that he does not believe in astrology. It appears

to me that he is trying to mean that if the constellations outside the ecliptic

band have no effect on man then the constellations within the ecliptic band also

would not have any effect on man and therefore the astrology, which involves

these useless constellations is also of no use to man. He says so because he

does not know in the first place why the constallations in the ecliptic band

were chosen preferentially. Do you think that his assertions has any merit?

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> > > > > > > > > > Do you think this assessment of mine holds any truth?

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> > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

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> > > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

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> > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 6/26/09, dineshdheengra wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > > dineshdheengra

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> > > > > > > > > > Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the

Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> > > > > > > > > > Friday, June 26, 2009, 5:01 AM

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> > > > > > > > > > Dear Vinayji, Sunilji and HariMallaji,

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> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > I have some eyeopener ideas for this mail chain, those are

as below:-

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degrees away from ecliptic plane(anybody may check from wikipedia or anything)

means those are away from ecliptic and are affecting us so what we should think

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but those are away from ecliptic(8 to 9 degrees from ecliptic on both side means

+8 to -8) so it means those stars(by which constellations are made) are

affecting us than insimilar fashion stars which are 45 degrees away from

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will raise such doubts. Mr SKB has made an age old point. All astrologers use

zodiacal region and none uses the fringes of skies.

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that plane of the solar system will have the same effect on the Earth as the

constellations on the plane of the solar system ie. the ecliptic. Has any

theoretical astrophysicist done any such work on that and reported the findings

in scientific literature? Secondly the costellations on the ecliptic alone are

useful for astronomical dating of past events.

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at the receiving end and not the stars about each other.The light we receive

from the different stars are known to us only and it is possible to compare

their effects on us. Their effects would be similar, other things remaining the

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then the other stars too will effect us in the same way.

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if you want to say that some stars are priviledged to effect us whereas other

stars do not have the priviledge, instead of bringing irrelevant questions.

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since you are showing off so much as a scientific mind. I have not made any

assertions, only you have. I am too small to make assertions. I only raised some

questions. Once your scientific knowledge finds answers raised by questions, I

assure you that I will start learning from you.

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more!! And in fact reading my mind too - u even know what i think! I will

appreciate if you could find answers to my questions with your scientific

knowledge and enlighten me also. Then we could take our discussion forward.

Otherwise we are just engaging in useless discussions.

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earth whereas others are not capable of effecting.Is that what you intend to

say? If so can you give some reason, why this should be so.Also what type of

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the basic two-slit experiment in quantum physics (infact the first basic step in

understanding quantum physics) which no scientist has been able to understand

and explain. How can two electrons millions of light years away influence each

other? How do they know about each other? He should read about it and then he

should just shut up, and not comment based on his so-called scientific

knowledge. And he should wait for science to come up with an explanation (which

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Kalamadhav without giving any reference. None of these has said that Uttarayana

will, for ever, occur when the Sun comes to the Makar Rashi Since the 3rd

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sky (Satapatha Brahmana 10.2.1). Mesh (Ram) is the symbol of the Mesh Rashi,

Vrshabh (Bull) has become the symbol of the Vrshabh Rashi. We need not think

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stars in the ecliptic and that each group of star is named after the main star

called Yoga Tara. For example, the Krittika nakshatra is a group of 6 stars.

This is the astronomical fact. In Astrology these 27 Nakshatras are divided into

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fake knowledge.. However, in future if any or all of the the hundreds of the

members of all the astrology groups request you to teach them, then of course

you can start your teaching program. In that case please address your mail to

them and not to me. Is that clear? BTW, why don't you educate your idol Kaul and

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after animals and mythological characters.For example, the contellations Leo was

named after lion, Pisces after two fish,and Taurus after a bull " .Do you

understand that the scientists recognise each rashi as one constellations. The

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that it is in the interest of Dharma, even though you yourself do not believe in

Phalita Jyotisha. You don't even know that the ecliptic has 27 constellations

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be considered in astrology.I have said only 12 constellations are used in

astrology out of total of 88, existing in the sky.I have also said,since only a

few constellations (only 12)are taken out of total of 88 as known to be in the

sky, it proves that the stars do not effect us directly.I have found you

incapable to understand the meaning of this sentence. Is my expression in

English so weak that you are not able to understand its logic? I hope that you

do not believe some stars effect us and others do not.Do you think only 12

groups of stars effect us and the remaining 76 groups categorised by science are

incapable to effect us? My understanding is that if 12 groups effects us, then

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hindu mythology, we have no such story.This also proves that it was not

originally ours.In their concept, Aries is also equivalent to vernal

equinox.Your fixed Aries concept without relationship with the vernal equinox is

not only unacceptable from their concept, but also from the concept of our own

puranas like the Bhagvatam about mesh rashi.Our Bhagvatam repeats again again

that makar sankranti represents uttrayan.Not only that our dharmas shastra like

Dharma sindhu also says so. But you being ignorant about dharma shastra like

Dharma sindhu, kala madhav etc talk like a unread and non religious person.. You

also do not take the trouble to read them. You know only how to stick to your

limited knowledge and say if we have to celebrate uttarayan then we can join

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makar sankranti is free from uttarayan, you people have shown the ignorance of

the century.I can understand you have not read dharma shastras as mentioned

above.But what I cannot understand is why do you not purchase a book and

read.They are not costly books. Or go to a library and read them.But do not make

the jokes of the century by saying mesh sankranti is not linked to vernal

equinox and makar sankranti is not linked to winter solstice.Bhagvatam itself is

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and not here. In future please do not talk to me about Calendar reform. You have

harassed me enough in the AIA group with your nonsensical ideas such as need for

renaming the Rashis and Nakshatras and also that instead of 12 constellations 88

constellations should be considered in astrology and that it is in the interest

of Dharma even though you yourself do not believe in Phalita Jyotisha. You don't

even know that the ecliptic has 27 constellations and not 12.. I made you admit

that nothing like consideration of 88 constellations is mentioned in the ancient

texts and that these are your own wild ideas. If you want to create a new form

of Jyotish shastra please go and do it yourself and publish a book and get the

recognition yourself. But don't try to involve me in your absurd ideas. Please

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Vedanga jyotisha. I told him where to find the Vedanga Jyotisha, published by

INSA. Any Vedic scholar will understand that the verses I gave show the presence

of Rashi in Veda. Also tell them that all the nine grahas are also in the Veda.

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Svarabhanu in Veda. The Sun, the Moon and Brihaspati are of course in the same

name. I already told AKK that Manu had told that the Kings should consult

Astrologers. thereby approving the use of Astrology. If AKK cannot find a copy

of the Manu smriti you can tell him that it is in the Internet. If you people

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Dear Rohini,Not really. I was telling that Narakasura and Bhagadatta of Pragjyotishpur were asuras and they were yavanas too. Mayasura was probably from Pragjyotishpur. Do you know that Varahamihira and his astrologer daughter-in-law Khona were from the Assam- West Bengal border. It is believed that Khona surpassed Varahamihira in the knowledge of Jyotish shastra. At one time the Jyotish shastra flourished in the North-Eastern India. From my studies I find that the Greeks appear to have learnt everything from India. Plato came out of Greece for more than a decade in quest of knowledge and he did visit India in the 5th century BCE. When he returned to Greece he founded his Academy of higher learning in Greece in the late 5th ventury BCE. His institute was the first of its kind in the western world. Now you

may ask as to why then Pingree thought that the Indians learnt everything from the Greeks. It is because of the Jonesian chronology, based on which Prof. Max Muller proposed the Aryan Invasion Theory (AIT) and fixed the earliest date of the Rigveda as the 12th century BCE. All the AIT-followers believed that Sandracottus was Chandragupta Maurya and automatically the date of his guru, Vishnugupta (or Kautilya or Chanakya), who was a teaccher at the Takshashila university, got fixed around 4th century BCE. Being an honest person (rightly Swami Vivekananda calls him a great saint) Prof. Max Muller realised that his chronology was suspect and he himself put the first nail in the coffin of AIT by saying that nobody can tell the date of the Rigveda. He even indicated that it could even be in the 4th millennium BCE. However the colonialist historians were in no mood to listen to Max Muller again and they conveniently ignored Max Muller's revised opinion.

He must now be turning in his grave. Because of this distorted chronology Dr. David Pingree thought that the date of Plato's academy preceded that of he Takshashila university, whereas in reality the Takshashila university preceded Plato's institute by more than a millennium. Plato and his subsequent followers got all the knowledge freom India and then it went to the entire west. One can call Pingree a distortionist but in reality he was a victim of the Jonesian chronology.--- On Thu, 7/9/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote:Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani[vedic astrology] Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Siderealvedic astrology Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 5:07 PM

Chi Chi Dada! Now you are saying that Surya-siddhanta was of greek origin?

Maybe in those very ancient times the world was not as divided as it is today with silos of cultural, ethnic, racial, national and other types! Maybe back then nations were principalities with God the ultimate monarch and not the mini and micro Gods that preside over nations these days! Maybe knowledge and love flowed more easily and readily across the continents which for all I know may have been closer, physically, mentally and spiritually!

After all, I have heard that DNA analysis indicates that all human beings (Caucasians, Mongolian, Australio-african, blah blah blah) are more alike than different! I don't buy the story of Genesis (Adam and Eve) literally but one wonders ...!

Rohiniranjan

vedic astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

>

> Many a times the words Yavana and Asura were used synonymously. Mayasura was a yavana too.

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> --- On Thu, 7/9/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote:

>

> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

> vedic astrology

> Thursday, July 9, 2009, 8:24 AM

>

> Sunil Da,

>

> You should not subordinate facts to opinions. Bhagadatta was king of Kamrupa but was lord of Yavanas in the west too : this is said in MBH and is not my opinion. But MBh says Yavanas lived in south India as well (see the references already sent by me). I have not found a single reference of yavanas living in Kamrup. But I know Yavanas of west were NRI who went out or were expelled by earlier chakravartins of India due to their nefarious samskaara : it is proven by Havi to gods and Yajnic karmakaanda by ancestors of Greeks as narrated by Aristophanes in his drama "The Birds" written around the end of 5th century BCE (Eurocentricists deliberately neglect such direct evidences). Bhagadatta was the most illustrious among all kings hailing from outside Ayravarta and came from an asuric land. Hence, it is not strange that yavanas from Afghanistan accepted his leadership. I prepared a list of peoples and kings siding with Kauravas and with Pandavas, and

found

>

> that found that it was not a family feud over five villages but a gigantic Civil War or a World War dividing all peoples on cultural lines : among those upholding Dharma and Adharma, to put it in simplistic terms. Shalya was related to Pandavas but fought against them without any grievance against pandavas. The reason is explained by Karna, who narrates the non-Aryan culture of Madra-desha. Thus , MBh is about a War between Dharma and Adharma. Seen in this broad perspective, it is not surprising why yavanas regarded the most Asuric king as their leader, perhaps before they came to fight this War. Bhagadatta was a great Tantric. He used Narayanastra against Arjuna, which Lord Krishna took on himself. MBh mentions many Astras and Shastras which have now vanished.

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> -VJ

> ============ ========= = ==____________ _________ _________ __

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> Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @>

>

> vedic astrology

>

> Thursday, July 9, 2009 8:15:39 AM

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> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> Dear Vinay,

>

> Why did you hold the reasons in the first place? Bhagadatta took the yavanas along his way and his way was from Kamarupa to Hastinapur. If you know more reasons please do let us know. Common sense says that the yavanas did not come to Hastinapur without a leader. So it is difficult for me to understand that the Yavanas had chosen Bhagadatta as their leader only after they reached Hastinapur.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> SKB

>

> --- On Wed, 7/8/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

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> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

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> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> vedic astrology

>

> Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 9:27 AM

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> Sunil Da,

>

> You should apply your critical faculties to explain the apparent discrepancy between king of Assam being lord of west, instead of denying the existence of a verse in an ancient text. Should I give my reasons ? But you dismiss facts cited by me, how will you admit opinions coming from me ??

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> -VJ

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> Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @>

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> vedic astrology

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> Wednesday, July 8, 2009 11:45:57 AM

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> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> Dear Vinay,

>

> Please check your book. Even the route is given that Bhagadatta went from Kamarupa through Bengal and like that. So how can he be a king of the west? He is known to be a son of Narakasura also.

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> SKB

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> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

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> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

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> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> vedic astrology

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> Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 10:07 PM

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> Sunil Da,

>

> MBh is a complex text containing layers added during different periods. It is a painstaking task to find out the original stratum.

>

> Sabha Parva, chapter-14 of Gitapress edition ( chapter-13 of internet version) says in verse 14 (verse 13 in internet edition) that Bhagadatta was "Yavanaadhipati" and was "lord of the West (Prateechya) like Varuna"

>

> Internet edition is not reliable because it is based on the critical edition which excluded many genuine verses on the basis of an illogical principle : exclusion of verses not common to all manuscripts. Yet, this edition is a hany tool for easy references : you can get advantage of search box for locating al referwences of terms lke "yavana" or "Bhagadatta" or "Pragjyotishapur" . Pragjyotishapur lirally means "City of the Eastern Lights". But Bhagadatta is eulogised as Lord of the West !! Only a complete scanning of MBh can clear which verses are genuine and which are interpolations. For instance, the term "yavana" occurs only once in the critical edition's Adi Parva, although terms like chyavana occurs many times. Hence, sandhi must be taken into account.

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> Three days ago, I suggested a topic "Astrological concepts in Mahabharata" for PhD thesis to my friend in Sanskrit department of Vikram University, Ujjain, Dr Musalgaonkar, a famous Sanskrit scholar, for his student. He has asked me to provide an outline on whose basis he and his student could prepare the synopsis. I intend to confine the thesis to theoretical concepts of Jyotisha and leave out those portions future researchers which do not fit into this theme. for instance, the statements of Bhishma Pitamaha can be compared with Paitaamaha Siddhanta of Panchsiddhantikaa of Varaha Mihira, or the computational or theoretical statements in MBh can be compared with Suryasiddhanta and other siddhantas.

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> -VJ

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> Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @>

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> vedic astrology

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> Tuesday, July 7, 2009 3:31:31 PM

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> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> Bhagadatta brought the Yavanas from his land as far as I remember reading about it.

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> --- On Tue, 7/7/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

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> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

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> vedic astrology

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> Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 12:00 AM

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> Sunil Da,

>

> Bhagadatta is clearly described as an Asura and not as an Yavana. all yavanas fought on the side of Kauravas. Bhagadatta was one of leading commanders of Kauravas. If he led some yavanas too, among others, it does not mean yavanas came from Kamrupa. Yavana is derived from Ionia, the letter "I" in Ionia carried a mark which was pronounced as "Ya" in Greek but later influence of Semitic script for this Aryan language distorted the pronumciation as well and now Ionia is pronounced according to its Semitic (Roman, derived from Hebrew ) script and not according to its original pronunciation. There are numerous instances of Yavana used for Greeks in ancient literature. Read Milinda Panho, in which King Milinda (Minander) was a yavana. Alexander and Greek ambassadors are called as yavanas in ancient Indian literature. The Sanskrit term Yavanika was borrowed from Greek drama which was played not is halls but in open fields and needed curtains ; indian drama

did

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> not need curtains originally and has no native term for Yavanika (curtain for drama).

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> -VJ

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> ============ ========= = ==

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> ____________ _________ _________ __

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> Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @>

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> vedic astrology

>

> Tuesday, July 7, 2009 7:08:22 AM

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> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

>

> Not only there is no mention of the Greek civilisation in the ancient texts. there is also no description of their habitat and the ways of their life. Their very identification as the Yavanas itself is suspect as Bhagadatta, the son of Narakasura, was the King of Kamrupa and he led a group of yavanas to Hastinapur and if one goes by this then the yavanas were the residents of Kamarupa. These Yavanas were not much different from the Danavas as Kamarupa was also the place of the Danavas along with nthe Asuras. Narakasura had Banasura as a contemporary king.also near Kamarupa.

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> SKB

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> --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

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> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

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> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> vedic astrology

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> Monday, July 6, 2009, 10:29 AM

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> Sunil Da,

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> <<< "no such mention of the Greek civilistion is there in the ancient Indian texts." >>>

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> I have found references to Yavanas as barbarians in Mahabharata & c. Yavanas (Ionian Greeks learnt civilisation much later.

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> -VJ

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> "sunil_bhattacharjy a @" <sunil_bhattacharjy a @>

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> vedic astrology

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> Monday, July 6, 2009 10:51:49 AM

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> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

>

> Dear Rohini,

>

> I know that you did not refer to calendar and there is no need to refer to calendar in the round of present discussions. But Shri Hari Malla took off tangentially to give it a calendar angle as if to mean that we are following the Gregorian calendar and that is the only reason for our progress. So to set things right I broughrt to the notice of the members that we had both the calendars in the ancient times and without making any comp[romise both the calendar coexisted. Many people are making noise that the Makar Sankranti shoiuld be celebrated on the UIttarayana day. I want to ask them whether they know of any reference which states if the Makar Sankranti was observed when at the beginning of the Treta Yuga the Uttarayana occurred in the Krittika Nakshatra.

>

> Plato, the guru of Aristotle, went out of Greece and he is said to have even visited India and that without him the knowledge of India would not have gone to the West (of course, obviously at that time). This is given in a Paper in the journal "Theosophy", vol.27, No. 10 (August 1939). There is another paper antitled "Plato in Afghanistan and India", by W.L.Lorimer in American Journal of Philology, vol. 53, No. 2, (1932). After returning from India Plato established an Instiutute of Higher learning in Athens, the first institute of its kind in the West. The university at Takshashila was established a mellennium before Plato's institute in Greece. Herodotus also wrote about India even befpre Plato. However no such mention of the Greek civilistion is there in the ancient Indian texts.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Sat, 7/4/09, Rohiniranjan wrote:

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> Rohiniranjan

>

> [vedic astrology] Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

>

> vedic astrology

>

> Saturday, July 4, 2009, 8:24 PM

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> Dear Sunil-da,

>

> I just posted a fact as it exists now and was not trying to definitively connect it to any zodiac, calendar or agenda etc :-)

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> Regardless of how it was perceived, or used by others, here or elsewhere, who responded to the best of their personal perspectives -- and I am ready to believe that they all did so transparently for I am convinced that no one who is posting and sharing on this forum has any ulterior motive or personal sneaky agenda.

>

> Essentially, we all are at a beach that faces an OCEAN. For example the Pacific Ocean?

>

> Each of us keep tossing a pebble, a stone into the OCEAN and if we time it right when an incoming tide SWELLS in, we have a choice:

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> Did our launch (am talking stones not missiles!) was well planned and well-timed {Consumer}

>

> Was the launch responsible for the TIDE? {Creator!}

>

> We are back to the original question: Destiny or Free-Will?

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> RR

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> vedic astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya wrote:

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> >

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> > Dear Rohini,

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> >

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> > In the ancient times we had both the Seasonal (Tropical) and the Sidereeal calendars. The two were existing in side by side without interfering with each other. The Gregorian calendar is originally based on Vedic Seasonal calendar taken to the west much before Jesus Christ was born. Julius ceasar ammended it and then Gregory ammnded it further. Greeks got a lot of knowledge from us. Do you know that Aristotle studies in Takshashila? It is reported that even Plato came to Takshashila. Then in the 4th century BCE Megasthenes learnt from India during his stay in india as the Greek ambassador. Later on Ptolemy sent ambassador to the court of Samudragupta. All these people learnt a lot from India.

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> >

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> > Best wishes,

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> >

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> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> > --- On Sat, 7/4/09, harimalla@ . wrote:

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> >

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> > harimalla@ .

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> > Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> > Saturday, July 4, 2009, 7:08 PM

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> > Daear Rohiniranjanji,

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> > I am temptd to say that the reason for the ecocnomic ascension you are mentioning is not due to vedic calendar reform, but by adopting the corected sayan Gregorian calendar, which is widely used in India now a days.The true progress and peace can be guaranted when the vedic calendar itself is reformed.

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> > Regards,

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> > Hari Malla

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> >

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> > , "Rohiniranjan" wrote:

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> > > Jha Saheb,

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> > >

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> > > Nothing cryptic there :-)

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> > > News is full of stories about how India is moving rapidly towards becoming a significant marketplace and an economic power, alongside China.

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> > >

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> > > I was talking from a very mundane (english word, not the astrological connotation! ) perspective ;-)

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> > > RR

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> > >

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> > > , Vinay Jha wrote:

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> > > > Sir,

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> > > > I fail to understand your cryptography in spite of my years of training in linguistics :

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> > > >

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> > > > <<< "... And The Ascension has begun again from what I hear ..." >>>

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> > > >

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> > > > Can you write simpler English for lesser folks like us ?

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> > > >

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> > > > -Sincerely,

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> > > >

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> > > > -Vinay Jha

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> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

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> > > > Rohiniranjan

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> > > >

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> > > > Thursday, July 2, 2009 5:00:41 AM

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> > > > Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> > > > Dear Jha Saheb,

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> > > >

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> > > > Since you quoted and seemingly responded to the content in my message inspite of addressing Sunil-Da, it would be impolite of me to not respond to you directly ;-)

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> > > >

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> > > > .... And The Ascension has begun again from what I hear and that is GREAT NEWS from my Matribhoomi!

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> > > >

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> > > > Best wishes as always,

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> > > >

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> > > > Rohiniranjan

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> > > >

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> > > > , Vinay Jha wrote:

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> > > > > Sunil Da,

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> > > > > Even for agriculture and related activities, Midini Jyotish does not prescribe tropical astrology. Nirayana Mesha Samkrannti gives phala of whole year in all fields , including agriculture and climate. Similarly, mundane horoscopes for other samkrantis and nakshatra transits yield accurate results only when sidereal method is followed. Seasons are tropical, but their regulators are medini (mundane) horoscopes of solar transits into nirayana Raashis and Nakshatras.

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> > > > > Countries which follow tropical astrology have prospered onlt recently. During 99% of whole human history, India was far better than Europe in agriculture & c.

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> > > > > -VJ

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> > > > > Rohiniranjan

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> > > > > Wednesday, July 1, 2009 6:38:50 AM

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> > > > > Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> > > > > Maybe they (Sayan) should be utilized for agriculture because of seasons and how crops and harvests are connected to the LOCAL seasons in the different zones all within this world of ours?

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> > > > > Places where SAYAN ZODIAC has been followed for decades and centuries or longer -- do seem to have better harvests and more food available for some strange reason...

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> > > > > , Vinay Jha wrote:

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> > > > > > Well said Sunil da. In astrology, Sun is only one of many Grahas, and not the sole arbiter of everything. Hence, Sayana Raashis cannot be used to make horoscopes.

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> > > > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya

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> > > > > > Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:41:55 AM

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> > > > > > Re: Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> > > > > > Dear members,

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> > > > > > I am really flabbergasted by the following statemenmt :

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> > > > > > Thus there is calendar reform proposal to move the rashis too by one month to match with the original seasons, ie to name the bresent meen rashi as the new epochal mesh rashi.

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> > > > > > Unquote

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> > > > > > How can the Nirayana Rashis move as contain fixed (non-moving) Nakshatras? The Sayana rashis are anyway the imitation rashis and they only move along with the moving Tropical zodiac.

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> > > > > > Regards,

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> > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

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> > > > > > --- On Mon, 6/29/09, harimalla@rocketmai l.com wrote:

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> > > > > > harimalla@rocketmai l.com

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> > > > > > Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> > > > > > Monday, June 29, 2009, 6:53 PM

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> > > > > > Dear Rohiniranjanji,

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> > > > > > May your wish to keep it a mature forum with a good past and a good future be fulfilled!

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> > > > > > To my knowledge,precessio n which is the wobbly motion of the earth changing the pole stars in the long run, does not influence the eclliptic path and its shape.This precession is independant although both this motion and the annual orbit of the earth is carried out by the earth.

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> > > > > > This precession is caused mainly by the lunar gravitaion on the earth whereas the earth orbit is cased by the gravitation of the sun on the earth.Precession does shift the seasons or ayanamsa about one month in 2150 years.thus originally about 1700 years ago mesh sankranti was spring equinox.Due to precesion, the spring equnox has moved by 24 days in the solar sense, and one full month in the lunar sense.Thus there is calendar reform proposal to move the rashis too by one month to match with the original seasons, ie to name the bresent meen rashi as the new epochal mesh rashi.This is necessary to celebrate the festivals in their resbective seasons.

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> > > > > > Regards,

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> > > > > > Hari Malla

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> > > > > > , "Rohiniranjan" wrote:

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> > > > > > > Dinesh-ji,

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> > > > > > > Fascinating discussions and it is wonderful to see that other than good-hearted jibs and jabs -- no abusive outpourings have ensued as has become the norm in some places :-(

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> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > Let us maintain the decorum continuingly for this is a mature forum that was once blessed by none other than Sri K.N. Rao who has done for Jyotish what an injection of adrenaline would do to a dying person, or one of those electrical defibrillators, that resuscitate dying people, that are now being installed in malls and shopping plazas in some developed nations.

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> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > This matter about the ecliptic belt, which I was told is really created by the projected travel-path of the earth around the sun (creating the apparent movement of sun, the ayanas, the seasons and what not) -- although SUN has its slower true motion too (galactic) --- I am curious to find out if the notion of "ecliptic" and what it is is at all influenced by the slow polar wobble of the earth which makes it point towards a different pole star over the long cycle of ayanamsha as the S.V.P. shifts?

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> > > > > > > RR

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> > > > > > > , Dinesh Dheengra wrote:

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> > > > > > > > Dear Respected Sunilji, Mallaji and Jhaaji,

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> > > > > > > > My work is just to show that how constellations' s star are scattered around the ecliptic.

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> > > > > > > > i will comeup with document and ppl will see it and will bear in mind what Sunilji and Mallaji were saying.

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> > > > > > > > Mallaji said that stars which are away from ecliptic should also affect on earth like other stars affect us.

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> > > > > > > > Sunilji said that all constellation' s star are on ecliptic so only those can affect and others can not.

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> > > > > > > > But my point was that stars which formed the consteallation itself are scattered -9 to +9 degrees from ecliptic so in the same way stars which are more away from ecliptic should also affect it.Many planets even dont go to partcular constellation and we say it is in that Rashi( as SBji has siad that Rashis came up with animal shaped constellation) .

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> > > > > > > > Give me some time i will show that to all of you the reality.

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> > > > > > > > Till that time LOVE TO ALL....

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> > > > > > > > Love you all

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> > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 28/6/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya wrote:

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> > > > > > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya

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> > > > > > > > Re: Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> > > > > > > > Sunday, 28 June, 2009, 8:59 AM

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> > > > > > > > Dear Dheengraji,

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> > > > > > > > I am waiting for your reply to my mail No. 23743. For your ready reference I am repeating the contents of that mail below:

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> > > > > > > > Shri Harimallaji thinks that the constellations (Nakshatras) in the ecliptic

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> > > > > > > > band were chosen arbitrarilily and that they are also of no use if other

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> > > > > > > > constellations outside the ecliptic band are not considered to be of having any

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> > > > > > > > effect on man. This is his assertion and subsequently he reasserted that.

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> > > > > > > > Assertions and reassertions are after all assertions. He never cared to

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> > > > > > > > understand why the constellations in the ecliptic band was chosen in the first

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> > > > > > > > place in preference to the constallationa outside the ecliptic band. Do you

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> > > > > > > > think he is right in ignoring the reasons for the preferential choice of the

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> > > > > > > > constallation in theecliptic band? Or should we assume that he is ignorant of

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> > > > > > > > He admits that he does not believe in astrology. It appears to me that he

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> > > > > > > > is trying to mean that if the constellations outside the ecliptic band have no

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> > > > > > > > effect on man then the constellations within the ecliptic band also would not

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> > > > > > > > have any effect on man and therefore the astrology, which involves these useless

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> > > > > > > > constellations is also of no use to man. He says so because he does not know in

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> > > > > > > > the first place why the constallations in the ecliptic band were chosen

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> > > > > > > > preferentially. Do you think that his assertions has any merit?

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> > > > > > > > Do you think this assessment of mine holds any truth?

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> > > > > > > > Unquote

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> > > > > > > > Awaiting your reply.

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> > > > > > > > Sincerely,

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> > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

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> > > > > > > > Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> > > > > > > > Saturday, June 27, 2009, 8:54 PM

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> > > > > > > > Dear Dhreengraji, Jhaaji and Bhattacharjyaji,

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> > > > > > > > The discussion is taking a interesting turn.I think truth is truth, old or new. Jhaaji is saying it is a age old thing, but there is no problem in being age old.Many times the older, the more truer. Thus let us concentrate in what Dheengraji is saying.

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> > > > > > > > Thus according to Dhreengraji, it should be true for 45 degreees if true for 8 (or 9)degrees.Am I right Dhreengraji? what would Jhaaji and Bhattachrjyaji say? Please give reasons why Dhreengraji is not right? Thank you,

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> > > > > > > > HAri Malla

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> > > > > > > > , Vinay Jha wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > Mr Dinesh Dheengra Ji ,

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> > > > > > > > > Your statement about "age-old point" reveals your hatred for ancient wisdom just because it is ancient. Moreover, your statement about correspondence of raashis with constellations shows that you are neither a scientist nor an astrologer. If you are a scientist, how can you prove that physical stars or planets can have astrological effects ? If you are a supporter of astrology, why you do not test astrology on the basis of its standard ("age-old") principles before discarding them, which are "age-old" (ie, outdated) for you ?

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> > > > > > > > > I studied these things since 1973. You may read the following :

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> > > > > > > > > Ignorance can be cured, but there is no cure for prejudice. One who is biased against "age-old" things should keep away from astrology, because it is an age-old thing.

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> > > > > > > > > I gave a more detailed answer to Mt Hari Malla about this point, but you do not desrve such an answer, because you have already written me off as an outdated person.

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> > > > > > > > > -VJ

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> > > > > > > > > Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:58:17 PM

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> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Rashi in Vedic literature, the Relevant Chronology and the Sidereal

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> > > > > > > > > Shri Harimallaji thinks that the constellations (Nakshatras) in the ecliptic band were chosen arbitrarilily and that they are also of no use if other constellations outside the ecliptic band are not considered to be of having any effect on man. This is his assertion and subsequently he reasserted that. Assertions and reassertions are after all assertions. He never cared to understand why the constellations in the ecliptic band was chosen in the first place in preference to the constallationa outside the ecliptic band. Do you think he is right in ignoring the reasons for the preferential choice of the constallation in theecliptic band? Or should we assume that he is ignorant of the same?

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> > > > > > > > > He admits that he does not believe in astrology. It appears to me that he is trying to mean that if the constellations outside the ecliptic band have no effect on man then the constellations within the ecliptic band also would not have any effect on man and therefore the astrology, which involves these useless constellations is also of no use to man. He says so because he does not know in the first place why the constallations in the ecliptic band were chosen preferentially. Do you think that his assertions has any merit?

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> > > > > > > > > Sincerely,

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> > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

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> > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 6/26/09, dineshdheengra wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > Friday, June 26, 2009, 5:01 AM

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> > > > > > > > > Dear Vinayji, Sunilji and HariMallaji,

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> > > > > > > > > I have some eyeopener ideas for this mail chain, those are as below:-

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> > > > > > > > > Constellations like Libra, Leo , aries etc etc... are 8 to 9 degrees away from ecliptic plane(anybody may check from wikipedia or anything) means those are away from ecliptic and are affecting us so what we should think about the stars which could be 45 degrees away from ecliptic

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> > > > > > > > > So sunilji's statement doent not hold any truth

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> > > > > > > > > Vinayji is saying it is age old point:- i think Vinay ji himself has not checked the position of conestellation on ecliptic...

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> > > > > > > > > because age old point also give same clue and we have so many works present between us

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> > > > > > > > > > Only a person totally ignorat of or opposed to astrology will raise such doubts. Mr SKB has made an age old point. All astrologers use zodiacal region and none uses the fringes of skies.

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> > > > > > > > > > How are you? May I request you to ask the gentleman, who wrote the following, as to the scientific and logical reasoning for his claims.

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> > > > > > > > > > Please evaluate for yourself when his reply comes.ThanK you,

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> > > > > > > > > > > It is insanity to claim that the constellations outside that plane of the solar system will have the same effect on the Earth as the constellations on the plane of the solar system ie. the ecliptic. Has any theoretical astrophysicist done any such work on that and reported the findings in scientific literature? Secondly the costellations on the ecliptic alone are useful for astronomical dating of past events.

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> > > > > > > > > > > Your question is irrelevant here because we on earth are at the receiving end and not the stars about each other.The light we receive from the different stars are known to us only and it is possible to compare their effects on us. Their effects would be similar, other things remaining the same..

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> > > > > > > > > > > My assertion remains that if some of the stars effect us then the other stars too will effect us in the same way.

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> > > > > > > > > > > Do you have some comments on this opinion.Please comment if you want to say that some stars are priviledged to effect us whereas other stars do not have the priviledge, instead of bringing irrelevant questions.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you side tracking the questions that I raised since you are showing off so much as a scientific mind. I have not made any assertions, only you have. I am too small to make assertions. I only raised some questions. Once your scientific knowledge finds answers raised by questions, I assure you that I will start learning from you.

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Sunil da has made many good points. But I must elaborate two points.

Firstly, Asura and Yavana are not synonymns. Kamsa was an Asura, but his close

relatives Vasudeva and Lord Krishna were not Asuras. And Kamsa was not an

yavana. There were Asuras within and outside India, and there were yavanas in

and out of India too. Both were against Vedic culture. Hence, in certain

contexts these terms could be exchanged, but not always. Mayasura was certainly

not a yavana, there is no reference in any ancient text to this effect. Besides,

Pragjyotishapur means the City of Eastern Light (ie, First Dawn, because it was

the easternmost city of India). It does not mean the City of Jyotisha-shaastra,

as Sunil Da suggests.

Pragjyotishapur was not the only city occupied by Asuras for some time. Besides

Asuras like Kamsa in Mathura, archaeologists have found Asurakot in Sind

belonging to the Harappan Culture, two Asuragarhs in North Bihar and many more

sites bearing the term Asura like Asuraadih in Madhubani or Balirajgarh (Bali

was an Asura), etc.

Asuras could not be confined to any particular geographical region or to ant

race. A single family had Kamsa as an Asura and Devaki named from the root Deva,

which suggests that Kamsa was not an Asura by birth. The Asuragarh in Madhubani

had an adjacent site named after Chaanoor, the Asura warrior of Kamsa who was an

Andhra, which shows Asura were found in south too. Hence, Asura was a religious

category, which was opposed to Vedic culture which stressed brahmacharya,

tapasyaa, indriya-nigraha, etc, while Asuras were Bhoga-vaadins (sensualists)

only some exceptions were like Maya who purified themselves through Tapasyaa.

Some Asuras performed tapasyaa merely to attain tantric powers, their goal was

not moksha.

Second point on which I differ from Sunil Da is his belief in innocent mistakes

of western indologists. I worked for 12 years on comparative linguistics of Indo

European languages, and came to the conclusion that ALL renowned

Indo-Europeanists were driven by racist urge to supress truth. If principles of

modern linguistics are applied without any bias and even if all Indo European

branches are accorded equal weightage, in spite of the fact that Vedic is far

older to Lithuanian whose oldest proofs are of 16thy century, all Proto-Indo

European etymons of all important roots prove to be Vedic in 100 % cases if we

take simple statistical averages on vowel diagrams of Daniel Jones and apply

same method to consonants. Early indologists knew this, and therefore propounded

a Central Asia homeland, although no Indo European language was then found in

Central Asia, and this homeland was proposed simply because evidences suggested

Indic to be connected to

Greek-Latin-Keltic of south Europe and Indic also was related to Slavo-Germanic

of north Europe, but these north and south branches of Europe had weaker

connections between them. Such evidence suggested an Indian Homeland, but

Cengtral Asia was proposed without any evidence in Central Asia. Later, one

single affinity between north and south European branches was found, and this

single coincidental affinity was found enough to push Homeland to eastern europe

and even to Germany.

David Pingree had more proofs than 19th century indologists in favour of Undian

Homeland, and therefore worked with greater zeal to supress truth, for which a

special department was instituted in Brown University.

My book is in progress in which I am carrying a thorough analysis of serious

errors in the field of ancient astronomy made by Colebrooke, Burgess, Whitney,

Pingree, etc.

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[vedic astrology] Re: Rashi in Vedic literature / Greeks learnt

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That is so beautifl dada. Please tell us more.

Rohini

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law Khona were from the Assam- West Bengal border. It is believed that Khona