[2] 2 New Jaimini Manuscripts Uploaded - Saptarishis Astrology

July 11, 2009

Hi,

This is to PVR and in general

to others too

We normally don't write on

Sohamsa since our Magazine release announcements were blocked earlier couple of

times and hence we are posting on Jyotish Group & Ancient Indian Astrology

with the consent of their moderators. At the same time it must be made clear

that as a policy we are not allowed to post on public or common forums and this

time we must break this rule as PVR has posted a valid post.

a) Thank you for making the

attempt to translate the requisite verse and that is exactly what our intention

was to inspire people to come forward and translate one commentary. Infact if

you can use your sanskrit knowledge and translate the complete 6 commentaries

it would help jyotishis as till date these commentaries were not available on

the net or any one or any parampara made an effort to translate it in English.

It is only when various commentaries are translated things will become more

clearer in Jaimini and as you or someone said once 'we cannot rely on just one

person or one parampara for any genuine teachings' especially when these

paramparas are unable to quote a single shloka from any commentaries for their

dasas or calculations or new lagnas or divisional charts.

b) This post of ours was posted

on various forums except Sohamsa, it mentioned 2 manuscripts whereas so far we

have posted parts of 6 Jaimini Manuscripts, but so far we have not recd a

single mail of appreciation for Maduraji, Shanmukha or Ravindra Bhagavat who

have released this so generously. Praise or fame might not be their intention

nor did they ever ask for it. As this kind of releasing of Jaimini Manuscripts

have happened for the first time probably, a kind thank you by the jyotish

community would have been nice and inspire them to get more manuscripts out

from other sources. We are not trying to tell you that you should have said

thank you but to the whole jyotish community that we must inspire others or any

parampara to atleast come out with few jaimini or jyotish manuscripts and that

should be kept in the open for everyone to review, translate or make the

attempt to do so. One is made to remember a great spiritual yogi who was once a

jyotishi told us that the word 'Thank You' does not exist in the vocabulary of

jyotishis.

> This particular manuscript

was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer

> ParamGuru from a parampara

in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish

> conference but inspite of

4 years passing by not a single page has

come

> from his kind self, maybe

he got busy & blame cannot be put on one

> single person for not

coming out with the translation,

If there isn't ANY intention to

"blame", then why even mention this?

Different people pursue

different priorities. It is wrong to expect

specific things from people and

be disappointed.

c) If we want anyone to teach

us dharma or karma we will ask him/ her, provided we feel he or she has

understood it. Re the intention of mentioning about the Paramguru, well to

understand karma is very difficult & cannot be easily gotten by reciting

mantras or by donations of free magazines or books. Our reply can be divided

into two parts

1) Sometimes we make judgements

about people who do lot of mantra and homams, but these people are unable to

speak the full truth of their own sins or the sins of their Gurus, so that

others don't commit costly mistakes of following their gurus and in jyotish sometimes

these mistakes cripple the lives of these students. Making a judgement about

such a person that what is the use of doing all these homams when there is wrong

doings on the part of their gurus esp when the student knows it & turns a

nelsons eye towards it, not warn others - this whole point can be judged on our

part, bad remarks passed and but it is better not to judge a (or this) person

or a (any) statement and better to mind one's own business is what we have

learnt when we started on the journey to understand karma.

2) The reason behind our

statement was to inspire people to translate as waiting for 4 years, not

hearing a single word from that ParamGuru especially when he promised that he

would translate it. So it is not our expectation or judgement on their

priorities, just what they promised & no communication from their end. This

can be frustrating in our attempts to bring out the real Jaimini than the

current joke of Jaimini astrology it is in. Lets just say that atleast you were

inspired to translate one shloka of it whereas after uploading 6 manuscripts only

one shloka has been attempted to be translated, so understanding it would take

few years or lifetimes. We were once promised by someone that he would

translate 'The Last Book Of Astrology' written by a Yogi and the greatest book

we have ever read, he said in 1 month he will do so, now he has disappeared

with it since 3 years and when confronted re it, he said there is no jyotishi

in the world who deserves to read such a spiritual book, he formed his opinion

about others, about not wanting the finest knowledge to come out, the loss is

ours and of the world as we don't have a copy of it now and generations will

not be able to understand what has been written in it. Guess that is our fate

to all our jyotish community as most of us have concentrated on only getting

fame with astrology thereby creating bad karma and guess the consciousness is

no longer pure enough for something good to come out.

d) Also it has been observed

that after a manuscript is given to someone it suddenly becomes someone's

parampara knowledge and immediately courses or scholar programs are started. In

order to stop such allegations on such paramparas we must give source and credit

to people like Ravindra Bhagavat, Madura Krishnamoorthy Shastri ji &

Shanmukha who are helping in opening releasing manuscripts for the benefit of

all jyotish lovers without bothering to think that it can become someone's

parampara knowledge after 5 years when new batch of followers come in esp when

the so called paramparas have not removed a single manuscript on Jaimini till

date inspite of 10-15 years of parampara, that is if they have it.

After reading this mail you

(PVR) might think that our reply was too sharp and maybe hitting at urs or

someones parampara, it is not so, there is certain respect for you (not due to

ur homams or software releases, but other things) and also for those paramparas,

but truth needs to be out at what's happening wrong and even if it is our Guru

who has done the wrong we won't stop from telling the truth.

Regards,

Admin

Saptarishis Astrology - Free

Digital Global Astro Magazine

As Read In 96 Countries

www.saptarishisastrology.com

July 11, 2009

Dear Sirs,

This is to remind you, not to erase the memory of Jyotish_Ganga too

which too has allowed your postings on their Group.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " saptarishisastrology "

<saptarishis wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> This is to PVR and in general to others too

>

> We normally don't write on Sohamsa since our Magazine release

> announcements were blocked earlier couple of times and hence we are

> posting on Jyotish Group & Ancient Indian Astrology with the consent

of

> their moderators. At the same time it must be made clear that as a

> policy we are not allowed to post on public or common forums and this

> time we must break this rule as PVR has posted a valid post.

>

> a) Thank you for making the attempt to translate the requisite verse

and

> that is exactly what our intention was to inspire people to come

forward

> and translate one commentary. Infact if you can use your sanskrit

> knowledge and translate the complete 6 commentaries it would help

> jyotishis as till date these commentaries were not available on the

net

> or any one or any parampara made an effort to translate it in English.

> It is only when various commentaries are translated things will become

> more clearer in Jaimini and as you or someone said once 'we cannot

rely

> on just one person or one parampara for any genuine teachings'

> especially when these paramparas are unable to quote a single shloka

> from any commentaries for their dasas or calculations or new lagnas or

> divisional charts.

>

> b) This post of ours was posted on various forums except Sohamsa, it

> mentioned 2 manuscripts whereas so far we have posted parts of 6

Jaimini

> Manuscripts, but so far we have not recd a single mail of appreciation

> for Maduraji, Shanmukha or Ravindra Bhagavat who have released this so

> generously. Praise or fame might not be their intention nor did they

> ever ask for it. As this kind of releasing of Jaimini Manuscripts have

> happened for the first time probably, a kind thank you by the jyotish

> community would have been nice and inspire them to get more

manuscripts

> out from other sources. We are not trying to tell you that you should

> have said thank you but to the whole jyotish community that we must

> inspire others or any parampara to atleast come out with few jaimini

or

> jyotish manuscripts and that should be kept in the open for everyone

to

> review, translate or make the attempt to do so. One is made to

remember

> a great spiritual yogi who was once a jyotishi told us that the word

> 'Thank You' does not exist in the vocabulary of jyotishis.

>

> This particular manuscript was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer

>

> > ParamGuru from a parampara in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish

>

> > conference but inspite of 4 years passing by not a single page has

>

> come

>

> > from his kind self, maybe he got busy & blame cannot be put on one

>

> > single person for not coming out with the translation,

>

> If there isn't ANY intention to " blame " , then why even mention this?

>

> Different people pursue different priorities. It is wrong to expect

>

> specific things from people and be disappointed.

>

> c) If we want anyone to teach us dharma or karma we will ask him/ her,

> provided we feel he or she has understood it. Re the intention of

> mentioning about the Paramguru, well to understand karma is very

> difficult & cannot be easily gotten by reciting mantras or by

donations

> of free magazines or books. Our reply can be divided into two parts

>

> 1) Sometimes we make judgements about people who do lot of mantra and

> homams, but these people are unable to speak the full truth of their

own

> sins or the sins of their Gurus, so that others don't commit costly

> mistakes of following their gurus and in jyotish sometimes these

> mistakes cripple the lives of these students. Making a judgement about

> such a person that what is the use of doing all these homams when

there

> is wrong doings on the part of their gurus esp when the student knows

it

> & turns a nelsons eye towards it, not warn others - this whole point

can

> be judged on our part, bad remarks passed and but it is better not to

> judge a (or this) person or a (any) statement and better to mind one's

> own business is what we have learnt when we started on the journey to

> understand karma.

>

> 2) The reason behind our statement was to inspire people to translate

as

> waiting for 4 years, not hearing a single word from that ParamGuru

> especially when he promised that he would translate it. So it is not

our

> expectation or judgement on their priorities, just what they promised

&

> no communication from their end. This can be frustrating in our

attempts

> to bring out the real Jaimini than the current joke of Jaimini

astrology

> it is in. Lets just say that atleast you were inspired to translate

one

> shloka of it whereas after uploading 6 manuscripts only one shloka has

> been attempted to be translated, so understanding it would take few

> years or lifetimes. We were once promised by someone that he would

> translate 'The Last Book Of Astrology' written by a Yogi and the

> greatest book we have ever read, he said in 1 month he will do so, now

> he has disappeared with it since 3 years and when confronted re it, he

> said there is no jyotishi in the world who deserves to read such a

> spiritual book, he formed his opinion about others, about not wanting

> the finest knowledge to come out, the loss is ours and of the world as

> we don't have a copy of it now and generations will not be able to

> understand what has been written in it. Guess that is our fate to all

> our jyotish community as most of us have concentrated on only getting

> fame with astrology thereby creating bad karma and guess the

> consciousness is no longer pure enough for something good to come out.

>

> d) Also it has been observed that after a manuscript is given to

someone

> it suddenly becomes someone's parampara knowledge and immediately

> courses or scholar programs are started. In order to stop such

> allegations on such paramparas we must give source and credit to

people

> like Ravindra Bhagavat, Madura Krishnamoorthy Shastri ji & Shanmukha

who

> are helping in opening releasing manuscripts for the benefit of all

> jyotish lovers without bothering to think that it can become someone's

> parampara knowledge after 5 years when new batch of followers come in

> esp when the so called paramparas have not removed a single manuscript

> on Jaimini till date inspite of 10-15 years of parampara, that is if

> they have it.

>

> After reading this mail you (PVR) might think that our reply was too

> sharp and maybe hitting at urs or someones parampara, it is not so,

> there is certain respect for you (not due to ur homams or software

> releases, but other things) and also for those paramparas, but truth

> needs to be out at what's happening wrong and even if it is our Guru

who

> has done the wrong we won't stop from telling the truth.

>

> Regards,

>

> Admin

>

> Saptarishis Astrology - Free Digital Global Astro Magazine

>

> As Read In 96 Countries

>

> www.saptarishisastrology.com <http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/>

>

July 11, 2009

I welcome this post and also the work done by those three persons to release the

hidden knowledge to the public.

In fact Posts like this should be allowed in all astrological forums.And those

who dont allow such posts are doing a great sin to their profession(astrology)

I am curious to know about the " last Book of Astrology "

I dont understand why the saptarishis people cannot recover it from the person

to whom they exercising power.

Only by learning from original sanskrits we can learn real Jaimini astrology and

we should not find fault with the correctness of jaimini astrology as there are

so many internet Jaimini gurus who claim themselves as a scholar by attending

few lectures run by groups and learning from interpolated verses.

They must realise that There are so many valuable commentaries written on

Jaimini by able scholars who have had access to wide resources of original

Jaimini text.

The real jaimini astrology will be revealed to all only when scholars well

versed in astrology and sanskrit translate these shlokas and bring it to light

for the knowledge of the General public.I feel this group has lot of scholars

who can do it being selfless.

regards

vinoth

, " saptarishisastrology "

<saptarishis wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> This is to PVR and in general to others too

>

> We normally don't write on Sohamsa since our Magazine release

> announcements were blocked earlier couple of times and hence we are

> posting on Jyotish Group & Ancient Indian Astrology with the consent of

> their moderators. At the same time it must be made clear that as a

> policy we are not allowed to post on public or common forums and this

> time we must break this rule as PVR has posted a valid post.

>

> a) Thank you for making the attempt to translate the requisite verse and

> that is exactly what our intention was to inspire people to come forward

> and translate one commentary. Infact if you can use your sanskrit

> knowledge and translate the complete 6 commentaries it would help

> jyotishis as till date these commentaries were not available on the net

> or any one or any parampara made an effort to translate it in English.

> It is only when various commentaries are translated things will become

> more clearer in Jaimini and as you or someone said once 'we cannot rely

> on just one person or one parampara for any genuine teachings'

> especially when these paramparas are unable to quote a single shloka

> from any commentaries for their dasas or calculations or new lagnas or

> divisional charts.

>

> b) This post of ours was posted on various forums except Sohamsa, it

> mentioned 2 manuscripts whereas so far we have posted parts of 6 Jaimini

> Manuscripts, but so far we have not recd a single mail of appreciation

> for Maduraji, Shanmukha or Ravindra Bhagavat who have released this so

> generously. Praise or fame might not be their intention nor did they

> ever ask for it. As this kind of releasing of Jaimini Manuscripts have

> happened for the first time probably, a kind thank you by the jyotish

> community would have been nice and inspire them to get more manuscripts

> out from other sources. We are not trying to tell you that you should

> have said thank you but to the whole jyotish community that we must

> inspire others or any parampara to atleast come out with few jaimini or

> jyotish manuscripts and that should be kept in the open for everyone to

> review, translate or make the attempt to do so. One is made to remember

> a great spiritual yogi who was once a jyotishi told us that the word

> 'Thank You' does not exist in the vocabulary of jyotishis.

>

> This particular manuscript was given to a famous Jaimini astrologer

>

> > ParamGuru from a parampara in front of us in Jan 2005 at a jyotish

>

> > conference but inspite of 4 years passing by not a single page has

>

> come

>

> > from his kind self, maybe he got busy & blame cannot be put on one

>

> > single person for not coming out with the translation,

>

> If there isn't ANY intention to " blame " , then why even mention this?

>

> Different people pursue different priorities. It is wrong to expect

>

> specific things from people and be disappointed.

>

> c) If we want anyone to teach us dharma or karma we will ask him/ her,

> provided we feel he or she has understood it. Re the intention of

> mentioning about the Paramguru, well to understand karma is very

> difficult & cannot be easily gotten by reciting mantras or by donations

> of free magazines or books. Our reply can be divided into two parts

>

> 1) Sometimes we make judgements about people who do lot of mantra and

> homams, but these people are unable to speak the full truth of their own

> sins or the sins of their Gurus, so that others don't commit costly

> mistakes of following their gurus and in jyotish sometimes these

> mistakes cripple the lives of these students. Making a judgement about

> such a person that what is the use of doing all these homams when there

> is wrong doings on the part of their gurus esp when the student knows it

> & turns a nelsons eye towards it, not warn others - this whole point can

> be judged on our part, bad remarks passed and but it is better not to

> judge a (or this) person or a (any) statement and better to mind one's

> own business is what we have learnt when we started on the journey to

> understand karma.

>

> 2) The reason behind our statement was to inspire people to translate as

> waiting for 4 years, not hearing a single word from that ParamGuru

> especially when he promised that he would translate it. So it is not our

> expectation or judgement on their priorities, just what they promised &

> no communication from their end. This can be frustrating in our attempts

> to bring out the real Jaimini than the current joke of Jaimini astrology

> it is in. Lets just say that atleast you were inspired to translate one