Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Dear Neelam ji and Swarna ji, I saw the message exchanges between you two on the subject of character (based on the Rahu in 9 thread). I would like share or add the little i know in this regard: 1. Like Neelam ji pointed out, i agree that Character of the native is mainly based on lagna and LL. 2. Psychology depends on the native's Moon 3. 5th house is house of emotions and subtle-feelings (also intelligence, creativity and speculation). Several afflictions to 5th H and L can indicate negative emotions and problems related to that. Especially, when 5th-6th lords combine along with another malefic...(mentioned by Mr. KN Rao in one of his books) 4. 4th house = sukhasthana. It shows the inner harmony of the person (which normally also gets reflected in the character). I think Swarna ji is trying to point out this fact--this house can be given considerable importance for knowing the peace of mind and domestic harmony (including domestic and marriage harmony). 5. 8th and 12th house indicates secret behaviour (can be for good or bad and depends on the character and psychology) Ofcourse, holistic approach (as Neelam ji has pointed out) is needed in judging. If anything incorrect, please excuse me in advance. Kind regards, venkat P.S: The above listed points I learned from Dr. A.P. Rao (i got interest in astrology during the lord of 5th and 8th in my chart-Guru) and also, recently, by reading the books of Dr. B. V. Raman and Mr. K.N. Rao. My respects to all of them and also to the learned group members. I started learning astrology 9 months ago. > Namaste to all members, > > I observed that all members in the group are discussing about Rahu in the 9th house, i want to share my knowledge with you at this moment regarding Rahu's placement in 9th house. I observed some member's telling that they observed people having rahu in 9th house and still they are good natured persons. I'm new to this group, still i observed everyone is well versed in Astrology, anyway i want to share my openion here. > > I know that here everyone knows the simple principle in Astrology is that by seeing at a single aspect in a horoscope we can't give conclusion about the person. Let me explain this clearly, If we need to analyse whether a person is having any ill effects because of rahu's placement in 9th house like doing wrong things, not following relegion, not giving respect to elders etc. First we need to see his lagna and it's lord placement for his nature. > 2. We have to see 2nd house to analyse buddhi of the person. > > 3. we have to see 4th house and it's lord placement for his character. > > 4.5th house and it's lord for his mind set and thinking style. > > 5. 7th for public relations with people > > 6.9th for his luck to acheive something good in life, whether he gives respect to elders, guru etc and whether he followes relegion or not. > > 7.11th for analysing having good friends and brothers and sister and their influence on him > > 8.12th house for secret acts which he will do privately. > > May be a person may have Rahu in 9th house, but when we observe the above points in his chart, if he has good houses with less afflictions (i mean other houses except 9th house) then we can expect he will be a good person. This is my openion that we can talk about a person's nature, wrong acts only by seeing all this aspects. > > Thanks for reading my mail. I welcome everyone's openion's on my mail. > > Thanks, > Swarna. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > ancient_indian_ astrology > Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:05:18 PM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu_ 9H_Request_Memebers > > > Dear Sreeram ji & Manoj ji, > > One should be humble enough to swallow one's pride. No one is perfect in this world....at least I am not! If we are perfect planets would not have any control in our lives....that is what I feel. > > blessings, > > Renu > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Mr. Manoj Chandran ji, > > > > So long tempers in control and discussion goes healthy..... it is > > fine..... as members deeply interested in astrology, we all strongly > > believe that our life is influenced by planets / dasha patterns.... . so > > all members involved in discussions should realize that this and when > > time is NOT in individual's favor, better to avoid or NOT to participate > > in discussions. .... on has to take conscious decision.... . and those > > evaluating chart also...should be careful enough ..while commenting.. .. > > so that things are in total control..... > > > > With regards, > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Dear Ventak Ji, Thank you for our comments. Neelam Ji has already made specific astro points. There is some thing specific you missed in your 5H delianation. Buddhi. 5th lord as a marker for morality. Agreed. In addition to what you mentioned, most importantly, 5H deontes discrimination, Buddhi. Only if discrimination is severely afflicted can we pronounce immorality as a given. Infact Seshadri Iyer gave such importance to it that(as per his teachings) we need to look at two things. a) Is the 5L aspecting the LL or is it in Nak of LL b) Look at the panchamsha (5th harmonic chart) and see the childhood of the individual. If the individual has a well conditioned benefic in the Lagna or 5H or 9H of the panchamsha and it is also in good condition in Rashi, then the individual gained from a good moral environment when he grew up. Teenage years are especially important. Also 5H is 9th from the 9th and 9th is the dharmasthana.So it is directly connected to morality through Bhavath Bhavam. Note also lord of the 5H of the Kalapurusha Sun gets debilitated in the 7H (Libra) of the Kalapurusha. 2nd house as a marker for Buddhi? This I have not seen any where else and I am unable to come up with a logic as to why this will be. Maybe the confusion is because Parashara says 7L in 2H gives many wives. But that is a different logic altogether. In my humble opinion, Manas afflictions: 4H, 4L & Moon Buddhi affliction: 5H, 5L, Mercury. Basic nature of individual LL, Lagna. But with severe Buddhi affliction along with Lagna, LL affliction, an astute student of astrology must right away look for othe pointers to immorality (like affliction of Venus, 7H, 7L etc). 4H affliction will be a supporting factor if present for sure. Infact I use to neglect the 4H for these matters until Sunil Ji (who is another knowledgeable Moderator on this Group, just like Neelam Ji is) pointed out to me to try this fact and yes it works. It makes sense because 4H is 12th from the 5H. It also has classical sanction because Parashara says BPHS Sharma Ji version, page 276, Shlokha 4. "If LL is placed in the 4H the person can be lascivious (full of lust)" (Even with my limited knowledge of Sanskrit I can identify the word Kamee)". Ofcourse note the involvment of LL being critical here. Now the trap that as students we can fall into is by reading the 5H given in BPHS and come to the conclusion, since no mention of morality, vices etc is given, that 5H is not important for these matters. Infact it is critical for these matters. If we look at some of the classical texts talk about what the 5H signifies, you will find phrases like "Embrace of a courtesan", "Sex with a prostitute" etc. That is why an experienced teacher is very important in sorting out the important things to look for. Since Jyotish was an oral tradition, books help but are not enough to get the whole picture. Regards, -Manoj Venkat <v.sivagnanam Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 6:17:10 AM character analysis Dear Neelam ji and Swarna ji,I saw the message exchanges between you two on the subject of character (based on the Rahu in 9 thread).I would like share or add the little i know in this regard:1. Like Neelam ji pointed out, i agree that Character of the native is mainly based on lagna and LL.2. Psychology depends on the native's Moon3. 5th house is house of emotions and subtle-feelings (also intelligence, creativity and speculation) . Several afflictions to 5th H and L can indicate negative emotions and problems related to that. Especially, when 5th-6th lords combine along with another malefic...(mentione d by Mr. KN Rao in one of his books)4. 4th house = sukhasthana. It shows the inner harmony of the person (which normally also gets reflected in the character). I think Swarna ji is trying to point out this fact--this house can be given considerable importance for knowing the peace of mind and domestic harmony (including domestic and marriage harmony).5. 8th and 12th house indicates secret behaviour (can be for good or bad and depends on the character and psychology)Ofcourse, holistic approach (as Neelam ji has pointed out) is needed in judging.If anything incorrect, please excuse me in advance.Kind regards,venkatP.S: The above listed points I learned from Dr. A.P. Rao (i got interest in astrology during the lord of 5th and 8th in my chart-Guru) and also, recently, by reading the books of Dr. B. V. Raman and Mr. K.N. Rao. My respects to all of them and also to the learned group members. I started learning astrology 9 months ago.> Namaste to all members,> > I observed that all members in the group are discussing about Rahu in the 9th house, i want to share my knowledge with you at this moment regarding Rahu's placement in 9th house. I observed some member's telling that they observed people having rahu in 9th house and still they are good natured persons. I'm new to this group, still i observed everyone is well versed in Astrology, anyway i want to share my openion here.> > I know that here everyone knows the simple principle in Astrology is that by seeing at a single aspect in a horoscope we can't give conclusion about the person. Let me explain this clearly, If we need to analyse whether a person is having any ill effects because of rahu's placement in 9th house like doing wrong things, not following relegion, not giving respect to elders etc. First we need to see his lagna and it's lord placement for his nature.> 2. We have to see 2nd house to analyse buddhi of the person.> > 3. we have to see 4th house and it's lord placement for his character.> > 4.5th house and it's lord for his mind set and thinking style.> > 5. 7th for public relations with people > > 6.9th for his luck to acheive something good in life, whether he gives respect to elders, guru etc and whether he followes relegion or not.> > 7.11th for analysing having good friends and brothers and sister and their influence on him> > 8.12th house for secret acts which he will do privately.> > May be a person may have Rahu in 9th house, but when we observe the above points in his chart, if he has good houses with less afflictions (i mean other houses except 9th house) then we can expect he will be a good person. This is my openion that we can talk about a person's nature, wrong acts only by seeing all this aspects.> > Thanks for reading my mail. I welcome everyone's openion's on my mail.> > Thanks,> Swarna.> > ____________ _________ _________ __> renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com> Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:05:18 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu_ 9H_Request_Memebers> > > Dear Sreeram ji & Manoj ji,> > One should be humble enough to swallow one's pride. No one is perfect in this world....at least I am not! If we are perfect planets would not have any control in our lives....that is what I feel.> > blessings,> > Renu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64@ ..> wrote:> >> > > > Namaste Mr. Manoj Chandran ji,> > > > So long tempers in control and discussion goes healthy..... it is> > fine..... as members deeply interested in astrology, we all strongly> > believe that our life is influenced by planets / dasha patterns.... . so> > all members involved in discussions should realize that this and when> > time is NOT in individual's favor, better to avoid or NOT to participate> > in discussions. ..... on has to take conscious decision.... . and those> > evaluating chart also...should be careful enough ..while commenting.. ..> > so that things are in total control.....> > > > With regards,> > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Dear Manojji, //Look at the panchamsha (5th harmonic chart) and see the childhood of the individual. If the individual has a well conditioned benefic in the Lagna or 5H or 9H of the panchamsha and it is also in good condition in Rashi, then the individual gained from a good moral environment when he grew up. Teenage years are especially important.// Very Nice description on the use of panchamsha. but how D-5 is related to childhood, any more hints ? Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Ventak Ji, > > Thank you for our comments. > > Neelam Ji has already made specific astro points. There is some thing specific you missed in your 5H delianation. Buddhi. > > 5th lord as a marker for morality. Agreed. In addition to what you mentioned, most importantly, 5H deontes discrimination, Buddhi. Only if discrimination is severely afflicted can we pronounce immorality as a given. Infact Seshadri Iyer gave such importance to it that(as per his teachings) we need to look at two things. a) Is the 5L aspecting the LL or is it in Nak of LL b) Look at the panchamsha (5th harmonic chart) and see the childhood of the individual. If the individual has a well conditioned benefic in the Lagna or 5H or 9H of the panchamsha and it is also in good condition in Rashi, then the individual gained from a good moral environment when he grew up. Teenage years are especially important. > Also 5H is 9th from the 9th and 9th is the dharmasthana.So it is directly connected to morality through Bhavath Bhavam. > Note also lord of the 5H of the Kalapurusha Sun gets debilitated in the 7H (Libra) of the Kalapurusha. > > 2nd house as a marker for Buddhi? This I have not seen any where else and I am unable to come up with a logic as to why this will be. Maybe the confusion is because Parashara says 7L in 2H gives many wives. But that is a different logic altogether. > > In my humble opinion, Manas afflictions: 4H, 4L & Moon Buddhi affliction: 5H, 5L, Mercury.. Basic nature of individual LL, Lagna. But with severe Buddhi affliction along with Lagna, LL affliction, an astute student of astrology must right away look for othe pointers to immorality (like affliction of Venus, 7H, 7L etc). 4H affliction will be a supporting factor if present for sure. Infact I use to neglect the 4H for these matters until Sunil Ji (who is another knowledgeable Moderator on this Group, just like Neelam Ji is) pointed out to me to try this fact and yes it works. It makes sense because 4H is 12th from the 5H. It also has classical sanction because Parashara says > > BPHS Sharma Ji version, page 276, Shlokha 4. > > " If LL is placed in the 4H the person can be lascivious (full of lust) " (Even with my limited knowledge of Sanskrit I can identify the word Kamee) " . Ofcourse note the involvment of LL being critical here. > > Now the trap that as students we can fall into is by reading the 5H given in BPHS and come to the conclusion, since no mention of morality, vices etc is given, that 5H is not important for these matters. Infact it is critical for these matters. If we look at some of the classical texts talk about what the 5H signifies, you will find phrases like " Embrace of a courtesan " , " Sex with a prostitute " etc. That is why an experienced teacher is very important in sorting out the important things to look for. Since Jyotish was an oral tradition, books help but are not enough to get the whole picture. > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > > > > ________________________________ > Venkat <v.sivagnanam > > Friday, July 17, 2009 6:17:10 AM > character analysis > > > Dear Neelam ji and Swarna ji, > > I saw the message exchanges between you two on the subject of character (based on the Rahu in 9 thread). > > I would like share or add the little i know in this regard: > > 1. Like Neelam ji pointed out, i agree that Character of the native is mainly based on lagna and LL. > 2. Psychology depends on the native's Moon > 3. 5th house is house of emotions and subtle-feelings (also intelligence, creativity and speculation) . Several afflictions to 5th H and L can indicate negative emotions and problems related to that. Especially, when 5th-6th lords combine along with another malefic...(mentione d by Mr. KN Rao in one of his books) > 4. 4th house = sukhasthana. It shows the inner harmony of the person (which normally also gets reflected in the character).. I think Swarna ji is trying to point out this fact--this house can be given considerable importance for knowing the peace of mind and domestic harmony (including domestic and marriage harmony). > 5. 8th and 12th house indicates secret behaviour (can be for good or bad and depends on the character and psychology) > > Ofcourse, holistic approach (as Neelam ji has pointed out) is needed in judging. > > If anything incorrect, please excuse me in advance. > > Kind regards, > venkat > > P.S: The above listed points I learned from Dr. A.P. Rao (i got interest in astrology during the lord of 5th and 8th in my chart-Guru) and also, recently, by reading the books of Dr. B. V. Raman and Mr. K.N. Rao. My respects to all of them and also to the learned group members. I started learning astrology 9 months ago. > > > Namaste to all members, > > > > I observed that all members in the group are discussing about Rahu in the 9th house, i want to share my knowledge with you at this moment regarding Rahu's placement in 9th house. I observed some member's telling that they observed people having rahu in 9th house and still they are good natured persons. I'm new to this group, still i observed everyone is well versed in Astrology, anyway i want to share my openion here. > > > > I know that here everyone knows the simple principle in Astrology is that by seeing at a single aspect in a horoscope we can't give conclusion about the person. Let me explain this clearly, If we need to analyse whether a person is having any ill effects because of rahu's placement in 9th house like doing wrong things, not following relegion, not giving respect to elders etc. First we need to see his lagna and it's lord placement for his nature. > > 2. We have to see 2nd house to analyse buddhi of the person. > > > > 3. we have to see 4th house and it's lord placement for his character. > > > > 4.5th house and it's lord for his mind set and thinking style. > > > > 5. 7th for public relations with people > > > > 6.9th for his luck to acheive something good in life, whether he gives respect to elders, guru etc and whether he followes relegion or not. > > > > 7.11th for analysing having good friends and brothers and sister and their influence on him > > > > 8.12th house for secret acts which he will do privately. > > > > May be a person may have Rahu in 9th house, but when we observe the above points in his chart, if he has good houses with less afflictions (i mean other houses except 9th house) then we can expect he will be a good person. This is my openion that we can talk about a person's nature, wrong acts only by seeing all this aspects. > > > > Thanks for reading my mail. I welcome everyone's openion's on my mail. > > > > Thanks, > > Swarna. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:05:18 PM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu_ 9H_Request_Memebers > > > > > > Dear Sreeram ji & Manoj ji, > > > > One should be humble enough to swallow one's pride. No one is perfect in this world....at least I am not! If we are perfect planets would not have any control in our lives....that is what I feel. > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste Mr. Manoj Chandran ji, > > > > > > So long tempers in control and discussion goes healthy..... it is > > > fine..... as members deeply interested in astrology, we all strongly > > > believe that our life is influenced by planets / dasha patterns.... . so > > > all members involved in discussions should realize that this and when > > > time is NOT in individual's favor, better to avoid or NOT to participate > > > in discussions. .... on has to take conscious decision.... . and those > > > evaluating chart also...should be careful enough ..while commenting.. .. > > > so that things are in total control..... > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Dear Vijay Ji, We need to look at the Vimshottari Dasha that runs in childhood/teenage years. Look at how that planet is placed, along with D-5 Lord, Me, Rashi 5L etc. D-5 by itself is not specific to childhood alone, but, because childhood influences are very formative and important for morality. So the assumption is that if the moral upbringing was strong, even if a morally doubtful period comes along, the native "may" have the strength to say "No" to the temptations due to instilled morality when he/she was young. However some times afflcition is so bad that even this does not stop immoral behaviour. There are other qualifications that also need to be done like "sole enemy" concept. Some Grahas are considered the "sole enemy" of other Grahas. If a sole enemy happens to aspect then it lessens the benefits substantially. Regards, -Manoj Vijay Goel <goyalvj Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 10:34:22 AM Re: character analysis Dear Manojji,//Look at the panchamsha (5th harmonic chart) and see the childhood of the individual. If the individual has a well conditioned benefic in the Lagna or 5H or 9H of the panchamsha and it is also in good condition in Rashi, then the individual gained from a good moral environment when he grew up. Teenage years are especially important.//Very Nice description on the use of panchamsha. but how D-5 is related to childhood, any more hints ? :)Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur.ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Ventak Ji, > > Thank you for our comments.> > Neelam Ji has already made specific astro points. There is some thing specific you missed in your 5H delianation. Buddhi. > > 5th lord as a marker for morality. Agreed. In addition to what you mentioned, most importantly, 5H deontes discrimination, Buddhi. Only if discrimination is severely afflicted can we pronounce immorality as a given. Infact Seshadri Iyer gave such importance to it that(as per his teachings) we need to look at two things. a) Is the 5L aspecting the LL or is it in Nak of LL b) Look at the panchamsha (5th harmonic chart) and see the childhood of the individual. If the individual has a well conditioned benefic in the Lagna or 5H or 9H of the panchamsha and it is also in good condition in Rashi, then the individual gained from a good moral environment when he grew up. Teenage years are especially important.> Also 5H is 9th from the 9th and 9th is the dharmasthana. So it is directly connected to morality through Bhavath Bhavam.> Note also lord of the 5H of the Kalapurusha Sun gets debilitated in the 7H (Libra) of the Kalapurusha.> > 2nd house as a marker for Buddhi? This I have not seen any where else and I am unable to come up with a logic as to why this will be. Maybe the confusion is because Parashara says 7L in 2H gives many wives. But that is a different logic altogether.> > In my humble opinion, Manas afflictions: 4H, 4L & Moon Buddhi affliction: 5H, 5L, Mercury.. Basic nature of individual LL, Lagna. But with severe Buddhi affliction along with Lagna, LL affliction, an astute student of astrology must right away look for othe pointers to immorality (like affliction of Venus, 7H, 7L etc). 4H affliction will be a supporting factor if present for sure. Infact I use to neglect the 4H for these matters until Sunil Ji (who is another knowledgeable Moderator on this Group, just like Neelam Ji is) pointed out to me to try this fact and yes it works. It makes sense because 4H is 12th from the 5H. It also has classical sanction because Parashara says > > BPHS Sharma Ji version, page 276, Shlokha 4.> > "If LL is placed in the 4H the person can be lascivious (full of lust)" (Even with my limited knowledge of Sanskrit I can identify the word Kamee)". Ofcourse note the involvment of LL being critical here.> > Now the trap that as students we can fall into is by reading the 5H given in BPHS and come to the conclusion, since no mention of morality, vices etc is given, that 5H is not important for these matters. Infact it is critical for these matters. If we look at some of the classical texts talk about what the 5H signifies, you will find phrases like "Embrace of a courtesan", "Sex with a prostitute" etc. That is why an experienced teacher is very important in sorting out the important things to look for. Since Jyotish was an oral tradition, books help but are not enough to get the whole picture.> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Venkat <v.sivagnanam@ ...>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, July 17, 2009 6:17:10 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] character analysis> > > Dear Neelam ji and Swarna ji,> > I saw the message exchanges between you two on the subject of character (based on the Rahu in 9 thread).> > I would like share or add the little i know in this regard:> > 1.. Like Neelam ji pointed out, i agree that Character of the native is mainly based on lagna and LL.> 2. Psychology depends on the native's Moon> 3. 5th house is house of emotions and subtle-feelings (also intelligence, creativity and speculation) . Several afflictions to 5th H and L can indicate negative emotions and problems related to that. Especially, when 5th-6th lords combine along with another malefic...(mentione d by Mr. KN Rao in one of his books)> 4. 4th house = sukhasthana. It shows the inner harmony of the person (which normally also gets reflected in the character).. I think Swarna ji is trying to point out this fact--this house can be given considerable importance for knowing the peace of mind and domestic harmony (including domestic and marriage harmony).> 5. 8th and 12th house indicates secret behaviour (can be for good or bad and depends on the character and psychology)> > Ofcourse, holistic approach (as Neelam ji has pointed out) is needed in judging.> > If anything incorrect, please excuse me in advance.> > Kind regards,> venkat> > P.S: The above listed points I learned from Dr. A.P. Rao (i got interest in astrology during the lord of 5th and 8th in my chart-Guru) and also, recently, by reading the books of Dr. B. V.. Raman and Mr. K.N. Rao. My respects to all of them and also to the learned group members. I started learning astrology 9 months ago.> > > Namaste to all members,> > > > I observed that all members in the group are discussing about Rahu in the 9th house, i want to share my knowledge with you at this moment regarding Rahu's placement in 9th house. I observed some member's telling that they observed people having rahu in 9th house and still they are good natured persons. I'm new to this group, still i observed everyone is well versed in Astrology, anyway i want to share my openion here.> > > > I know that here everyone knows the simple principle in Astrology is that by seeing at a single aspect in a horoscope we can't give conclusion about the person. Let me explain this clearly, If we need to analyse whether a person is having any ill effects because of rahu's placement in 9th house like doing wrong things, not following relegion, not giving respect to elders etc. First we need to see his lagna and it's lord placement for his nature.> > 2. We have to see 2nd house to analyse buddhi of the person.> > > > 3. we have to see 4th house and it's lord placement for his character.> > > > 4.5th house and it's lord for his mind set and thinking style.> > > > 5. 7th for public relations with people > > > > 6.9th for his luck to acheive something good in life, whether he gives respect to elders, guru etc and whether he followes relegion or not.> > > > 7.11th for analysing having good friends and brothers and sister and their influence on him> > > > 8.12th house for secret acts which he will do privately.> > > > May be a person may have Rahu in 9th house, but when we observe the above points in his chart, if he has good houses with less afflictions (i mean other houses except 9th house) then we can expect he will be a good person. This is my openion that we can talk about a person's nature, wrong acts only by seeing all this aspects.> > > > Thanks for reading my mail. I welcome everyone's openion's on my mail.> > > > Thanks,> > Swarna.> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, July 16, 2009 6:05:18 PM> > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rahu_ 9H_Request_Memebers> > > > > > Dear Sreeram ji & Manoj ji,> > > > One should be humble enough to swallow one's pride. No one is perfect in this world....at least I am not! If we are perfect planets would not have any control in our lives....that is what I feel.> > > > blessings,> > > > Renu> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Namaste Mr. Manoj Chandran ji,> > > > > > So long tempers in control and discussion goes healthy..... it is> > > fine..... as members deeply interested in astrology, we all strongly> > > believe that our life is influenced by planets / dasha patterns.... . so> > > all members involved in discussions should realize that this and when> > > time is NOT in individual's favor, better to avoid or NOT to participate> > > in discussions. .... on has to take conscious decision.... . and those> > > evaluating chart also...should be careful enough ..while commenting.. ..> > > so that things are in total control......> > > > > > With regards,> > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Dear Manoj ji,//Look at the panchamsha (5th harmonic chart) and see the childhood of the individual.////D-5 by itself is not specific to childhood alone, but, because childhood influences are very formative and important for morality. // I am sorry to intervene, but who has said 5H denotes childhood? It does denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all about one’s children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the exact reference where 5H is taken for a native’s own childhood? Morality, yes, but not for the reason you’ve given. 5H is used to study spiritual inclinations, upasana and religious practices to obtain the grace of god. It also reveals the status attained by an individual in his past journey of spiritual growth and progress, for which MORAL FIBRE forms the core. May be I am missing something. Ever ready to learn and update myself.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Dear Neelam Ji, You are correct. D-5 does not denote childhood, but I was taught to look at vimshottari dasha period of the planet running during the formative years (which I generalized as childhood, probably incorrectly). I was taught that the position of this planet in D-5 will help determine the moral fibre of the individual since these are formative years (in general). I should not have said "see the childhood of the individual" I should have said "see the planet whose dasha is running during the child hood of the individual placed in the D-5". For the second point, yes I was taught that D-5 denotes moral fibre of the individual and maybe my extrapolation from that was incorrect. I stand corrected. Regards, -Manoj neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:53:48 AMRe: Re: character analysis Dear Manoj ji,//Look at the panchamsha (5th harmonic chart) and see the childhood of the individual./ ///D-5 by itself is not specific to childhood alone, but, because childhood influences are very formative and important for morality. // I am sorry to intervene, but who has said 5H denotes childhood? It does denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all about one’s children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the exact reference where 5H is taken for a native’s own childhood? Morality, yes, but not for the reason you’ve given. 5H is used to study spiritual inclinations, upasana and religious practices to obtain the grace of god. It also reveals the status attained by an individual in his past journey of spiritual growth and progress, for which MORAL FIBRE forms the core.May be I am missing something. Ever ready to learn and update myself.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Dear Neelam Ji, Sorry if this appears twice, it did not seem to appear the first time. Thank you for intervening You are correct. D-5 does not denote childhood. I was taught to look at vimshottari dasha period of the planet running during the formative years (which I generalized as childhood, probably incorrectly).. I was taught that the position of this planet in D-5 will help determine the moral fibre of the individual since these are formative years (in general). I should not have said "see the childhood of the individual" I should have said "see the planet whose dasha is running during the child hood of the individual placed in the D-5". For the second point, yes I was taught that D-5 denotes moral fibre of the individual and I realize from your comments that my understanding of "why that was so" was incorrect. I stand corrected. But, do you agree with the above concept that the Dasha planet's during the young years placement in D-5 can give important clues regarding morality? I did not come up with this myself. It came from an experienced teacher, but nobody is perfect. Regards, -Manoj neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:53:48 AMRe: Re: character analysis Dear Manoj ji,//Look at the panchamsha (5th harmonic chart) and see the childhood of the individual./ ///D-5 by itself is not specific to childhood alone, but, because childhood influences are very formative and important for morality. // I am sorry to intervene, but who has said 5H denotes childhood? It does denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all about one’s children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the exact reference where 5H is taken for a native’s own childhood? Morality, yes, but not for the reason you’ve given. 5H is used to study spiritual inclinations, upasana and religious practices to obtain the grace of god. It also reveals the status attained by an individual in his past journey of spiritual growth and progress, for which MORAL FIBRE forms the core.May be I am missing something. Ever ready to learn and update myself.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Respected Neelamji,Namaskar !//Morality, yes, but not for the reason you've given. 5H is used to study spiritual inclinations, upasana and religious practices to obtain the grace of god. It also reveals the status attained by an individual in his past journey of spiritual growth and progress, for which MORAL FIBRE forms the core.//This is true, i also agree to this.//It does denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all about one's children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the exact reference where 5H is taken for a native's own childhood?//Above statement i do not agree, Neither KnRao nor Sanjay Rath, and few other's (i read) have ever used D-5 for children\progeny\childbirth, for this they are always using D-7.Since D-5 chart comes under tajik categary practical uses of this chart is less done by reputed and learned astrologers.For own childhood matter we can use D-12 and D-24, D-6 and D-30 but D-5 is also not related to childhood, we can use it for the awards and achievement (made during childhood or later).For morality i think D-30 chart is most appropiate as In Stree jatak, the uses of this chart has be emphasized in classic also, we can apply to purush jatak . Your post always indicate indept understanding over the subject, may be i have missed some point.Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur.One more point i remembered from KnRao books that whenver Birth lagna is weak or has some infliction of balaristha, than lagna and moon weak or malefic position in D-30 chart is not desirable and can bring mishaps. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Manoj ji,> > //Look at the panchamsha (5th harmonic chart) and see the childhood of the> individual.//> //D-5 by itself is not specific to childhood alone, but, because childhood> influences are very formative and important for morality. //> > I am sorry to intervene, but who has said 5H denotes childhood? It does> denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all about one's> children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the exact> reference where 5H is taken for a native's own childhood?> > Morality, yes, but not for the reason you've given. 5H is used to study> spiritual inclinations, upasana and religious practices to obtain the grace> of god. It also reveals the status attained by an individual in his past> journey of spiritual growth and progress, for which MORAL FIBRE forms the> core.> > May be I am missing something. Ever ready to learn and update myself.> > Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji,I am sorry may be I couldn't express properly. I didn't mean D-5, it was the 5H I was referring to//It does denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all about one's children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the exact reference where 5H is taken for a native's own childhood?//In any case, I have never really felt the need to check any matter from D-5 so far. Saptamsha of course is used to know about children.Thanks and RegardsNeelam 2009/7/19 Vijay Goel <goyalvj Respected Neelamji,Namaskar !//Morality, yes, but not for the reason you've given. 5H is used to study spiritual inclinations, upasana and religious practices to obtain the grace of god. It also reveals the status attained by an individual in his past journey of spiritual growth and progress, for which MORAL FIBRE forms the core.// This is true, i also agree to this.//It does denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all about one's children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the exact reference where 5H is taken for a native's own childhood?// Above statement i do not agree, Neither KnRao nor Sanjay Rath, and few other's (i read) have ever used D-5 for children\progeny\childbirth, for this they are always using D-7. Since D-5 chart comes under tajik categary practical uses of this chart is less done by reputed and learned astrologers. For own childhood matter we can use D-12 and D-24, D-6 and D-30 but D-5 is also not related to childhood, we can use it for the awards and achievement (made during childhood or later). For morality i think D-30 chart is most appropiate as In Stree jatak, the uses of this chart has be emphasized in classic also, we can apply to purush jatak . Your post always indicate indept understanding over the subject, may be i have missed some point.Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur.One more point i remembered from KnRao books that whenver Birth lagna is weak or has some infliction of balaristha, than lagna and moon weak or malefic position in D-30 chart is not desirable and can bring mishaps. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: >> Dear Manoj ji,> > //Look at the panchamsha (5th harmonic chart) and see the childhood of the> individual.//> //D-5 by itself is not specific to childhood alone, but, because childhood > influences are very formative and important for morality. //> > I am sorry to intervene, but who has said 5H denotes childhood? It does> denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all about one's > children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the exact> reference where 5H is taken for a native's own childhood?> > Morality, yes, but not for the reason you've given. 5H is used to study > spiritual inclinations, upasana and religious practices to obtain the grace> of god. It also reveals the status attained by an individual in his past> journey of spiritual growth and progress, for which MORAL FIBRE forms the > core.> > May be I am missing something. Ever ready to learn and update myself.> > Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Respected Neelamji, I am very sorry i ignored the 5H (instead i took D-5). I have to improve myself in reading and writing skills. I seriously apologize for my negligence. Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > I am sorry may be I couldn't express properly. I didn't mean D-5, it was the > 5H I was referring to > > //It does denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all > about one's children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the > exact reference where *5H *is taken for a native's own childhood?// > > In any case, I have never really felt the need to check any matter from D-5 > so far. Saptamsha of course is used to know about children. > > Thanks and Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/7/19 Vijay Goel <goyalvj > > > > > > > Respected Neelamji, > > > > Namaskar ! > > > > //Morality, yes, but not for the reason you've given. 5H is used to study > > spiritual inclinations, upasana and religious practices to obtain the grace > > of god. It also reveals the status attained by an individual in his past > > journey of spiritual growth and progress, for which MORAL FIBRE forms the > > core.// > > > > This is true, i also agree to this. > > > > //It does denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all > > about one's children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the > > exact reference where 5H is taken for a native's own childhood?// > > > > Above statement i do not agree, Neither KnRao nor Sanjay Rath, and few > > other's (i read) have ever used D-5 for children\progeny\childbirth, for > > this they are always using D-7. > > Since D-5 chart comes under tajik categary practical uses of this chart is > > less done by reputed and learned astrologers. > > For own childhood matter we can use D-12 and D-24, D-6 and D-30 but D-5 is > > also not related to childhood, we can use it for the awards and achievement > > (made during childhood or later). > > For morality i think D-30 chart is most appropiate as In Stree jatak, the > > uses of this chart has be emphasized in classic also, we can apply to purush > > jatak . > > > > Your post always indicate indept understanding over the subject, may be i > > have missed some point. > > > > > > Thankyou, > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > > One more point i remembered from KnRao books that whenver Birth lagna is > > weak or has some infliction of balaristha, than lagna and moon weak or > > malefic position in D-30 chart is not desirable and can bring mishaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > //Look at the panchamsha (5th harmonic chart) and see the childhood of > > the > > > individual.// > > > //D-5 by itself is not specific to childhood alone, but, because > > childhood > > > influences are very formative and important for morality. // > > > > > > I am sorry to intervene, but who has said 5H denotes childhood? It does > > > denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all about one's > > > children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the exact > > > reference where 5H is taken for a native's own childhood? > > > > > > Morality, yes, but not for the reason you've given. 5H is used to study > > > spiritual inclinations, upasana and religious practices to obtain the > > grace > > > of god. It also reveals the status attained by an individual in his past > > > journey of spiritual growth and progress, for which MORAL FIBRE forms the > > > core. > > > > > > May be I am missing something. Ever ready to learn and update myself. > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Dea Vijay Goel, It is very interesting discussion //Morality, yes, but not for the reason you've given. 5H is used to study spiritual inclinations, upasana and religious practices to obtain the grace of god. It also reveals the status attained by an individual in his past journey of spiritual growth and progress, for which MORAL FIBRE forms the core.// Would pl explain, In my chart, Jupiter 5th lord (from Scorpio lagna), placed in 7th (Taurus) as retrograted. How do i interpret my spiritual inclinations and my past journey of spiritual growth and prrogress. This is my most interesting subject in Astrology, I learned Vedic Astrology but could not find much on this. If you have any sharing info on books/persons please let me know Regards Venkat viswasai www.viswasai.blogspot.com "A Perfect Master is God in human form, an individual who has become God, and he is absolutely beyond all normal bounds; his every activity is outside the scope of one's human limited vision".--- On Sun, 7/19/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: Vijay Goel <goyalvj Re: character analysis Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 6:09 AM Respected Neelamji,Namaskar !//Morality, yes, but not for the reason you've given. 5H is used to study spiritual inclinations, upasana and religious practices to obtain the grace of god. It also reveals the status attained by an individual in his past journey of spiritual growth and progress, for which MORAL FIBRE forms the core.//This is true, i also agree to this.//It does denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all about one's children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the exact reference where 5H is taken for a native's own childhood?//Above statement i do not agree, Neither KnRao nor Sanjay Rath, and few other's (i read) have ever used D-5 for children\progeny\ childbirth, for this they are always using D-7.Since D-5 chart comes under tajik categary practical uses of this chart is less done by reputed and learned astrologers.For own childhood matter we can use D-12 and D-24, D-6 and D-30 but D-5 is also not related to childhood, we can use it for the awards and achievement (made during childhood or later).For morality i think D-30 chart is most appropiate as In Stree jatak, the uses of this chart has be emphasized in classic also, we can apply to purush jatak . Your post always indicate indept understanding over the subject, may be i have missed some point.Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur.One more point i remembered from KnRao books that whenver Birth lagna is weak or has some infliction of balaristha, than lagna and moon weak or malefic position in D-30 chart is not desirable and can bring mishaps. ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Manoj ji,> > //Look at the panchamsha (5th harmonic chart) and see the childhood of the> individual./ /> //D-5 by itself is not specific to childhood alone, but, because childhood> influences are very formative and important for morality. //> > I am sorry to intervene, but who has said 5H denotes childhood? It does> denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all about one's> children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the exact> reference where 5H is taken for a native's own childhood?> > Morality, yes, but not for the reason you've given. 5H is used to study> spiritual inclinations, upasana and religious practices to obtain the grace> of god. It also reveals the status attained by an individual in his past> journey of spiritual growth and progress, for which MORAL FIBRE forms the> core.> > May be I am missing something. Ever ready to learn and update myself.> > Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 No issues Vijay ji. Communication is a two-way process. Both writer and reader are equally responsible for good understanding, but writer is always more to be blamed for any misunderstanding!RegardsNeelam 2009/7/19 Vijay Goel <goyalvj Respected Neelamji, I am very sorry i ignored the 5H (instead i took D-5). I have to improve myself in reading and writing skills. I seriously apologize for my negligence. Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > I am sorry may be I couldn't express properly. I didn't mean D-5, it was the > 5H I was referring to > > //It does denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all > about one's children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the > exact reference where *5H *is taken for a native's own childhood?// > > In any case, I have never really felt the need to check any matter from D-5 > so far. Saptamsha of course is used to know about children. > > Thanks and Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/7/19 Vijay Goel <goyalvj > > > > > > > Respected Neelamji, > > > > Namaskar ! > > > > //Morality, yes, but not for the reason you've given. 5H is used to study > > spiritual inclinations, upasana and religious practices to obtain the grace > > of god. It also reveals the status attained by an individual in his past > > journey of spiritual growth and progress, for which MORAL FIBRE forms the > > core.// > > > > This is true, i also agree to this. > > > > //It does denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all > > about one's children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the > > exact reference where 5H is taken for a native's own childhood?// > > > > Above statement i do not agree, Neither KnRao nor Sanjay Rath, and few > > other's (i read) have ever used D-5 for children\progeny\childbirth, for > > this they are always using D-7. > > Since D-5 chart comes under tajik categary practical uses of this chart is > > less done by reputed and learned astrologers. > > For own childhood matter we can use D-12 and D-24, D-6 and D-30 but D-5 is > > also not related to childhood, we can use it for the awards and achievement > > (made during childhood or later). > > For morality i think D-30 chart is most appropiate as In Stree jatak, the > > uses of this chart has be emphasized in classic also, we can apply to purush > > jatak . > > > > Your post always indicate indept understanding over the subject, may be i > > have missed some point. > > > > > > Thankyou, > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > > One more point i remembered from KnRao books that whenver Birth lagna is > > weak or has some infliction of balaristha, than lagna and moon weak or > > malefic position in D-30 chart is not desirable and can bring mishaps. > > > > > > > > > > > > , neelam gupta > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > //Look at the panchamsha (5th harmonic chart) and see the childhood of > > the > > > individual.// > > > //D-5 by itself is not specific to childhood alone, but, because > > childhood > > > influences are very formative and important for morality. // > > > > > > I am sorry to intervene, but who has said 5H denotes childhood? It does > > > denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all about one's > > > children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the exact > > > reference where 5H is taken for a native's own childhood? > > > > > > Morality, yes, but not for the reason you've given. 5H is used to study > > > spiritual inclinations, upasana and religious practices to obtain the > > grace > > > of god. It also reveals the status attained by an individual in his past > > > journey of spiritual growth and progress, for which MORAL FIBRE forms the > > > core. > > > > > > May be I am missing something. Ever ready to learn and update myself. > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Dear Neelam Ji, Vijay Ji, and All, My understanding is that D-7 is for children because 11th from 7th is 5th, same logic for D-9 (11th from 9th is 7th). Why does this logic not work for D-10? I am guessing similar logic works for D-12 (11th from 12 is 10H which denotes gains from the father (2nd from 9th). Regards, -Manoj neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 3:36:48 AMRe: Re: character analysis Dear Vijay Goel ji,I am sorry may be I couldn't express properly. I didn't mean D-5, it was the 5H I was referring to//It does denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all about one's children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the exact reference where 5H is taken for a native's own childhood?//In any case, I have never really felt the need to check any matter from D-5 so far. Saptamsha of course is used to know about children.Thanks and RegardsNeelam 2009/7/19 Vijay Goel <goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Respected Neelamji,Namaskar !//Morality, yes, but not for the reason you've given. 5H is used to study spiritual inclinations, upasana and religious practices to obtain the grace of god. It also reveals the status attained by an individual in his past journey of spiritual growth and progress, for which MORAL FIBRE forms the core.//This is true, i also agree to this.//It does denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all about one's children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the exact reference where 5H is taken for a native's own childhood?//Above statement i do not agree, Neither KnRao nor Sanjay Rath, and few other's (i read) have ever used D-5 for children\progeny\ childbirth, for this they are always using D-7.Since D-5 chart comes under tajik categary practical uses of this chart is less done by reputed and learned astrologers.For own childhood matter we can use D-12 and D-24, D-6 and D-30 but D-5 is also not related to childhood, we can use it for the awards and achievement (made during childhood or later).For morality i think D-30 chart is most appropiate as In Stree jatak, the uses of this chart has be emphasized in classic also, we can apply to purush jatak . Your post always indicate indept understanding over the subject, may be i have missed some point. Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur.One more point i remembered from KnRao books that whenver Birth lagna is weak or has some infliction of balaristha, than lagna and moon weak or malefic position in D-30 chart is not desirable and can bring mishaps. ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Manoj ji,> > //Look at the panchamsha (5th harmonic chart) and see the childhood of the> individual./ /> //D-5 by itself is not specific to childhood alone, but, because childhood> influences are very formative and important for morality. //> > I am sorry to intervene, but who has said 5H denotes childhood? It does> denote children, progeny, child birth. It may be seen for all about one's> children but not for own childhood. Could you please quote the exact> reference where 5H is taken for a native's own childhood?> > Morality, yes, but not for the reason you've given. 5H is used to study> spiritual inclinations, upasana and religious practices to obtain the grace> of god. It also reveals the status attained by an individual in his past> journey of spiritual growth and progress, for which MORAL FIBRE forms the> core.> > May be I am missing something. Ever ready to learn and update myself.> > Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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