Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Re: Re: Come to senses Mr Vinay Jha Cc: Ancient_indian_astrology Saturday, July 18, 2009, 5:29 AM Dear all, Since Vinay Jha's stay in the AIA group he has been abusing and maligning me, as addicted to wine, even though I am a teetotaller. Inspite of that I tried to forget his abuses. But he is incorrigible. When in a mail I said that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers he took lot of pains to quote several verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere the Rig Veda had said that we are brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse where the Rig Veda indeed ays that we all are brothers. Recently when I said that Svetasvatara Upanishad mentions Samkhya he challenged and said that Sankhya is not mentioned in that upanishad and I had to quote the relevant verse to show that he was wrong. On another occasion when I said that Magha mentioned in the Vedanga Jyotisha is Purnimanta Maghahe he opposed it saying that the Siddhantas do not accept that. Then I asked him to show a verse from the Suryasiddhanta to support that. Then he realised his mistake and accepted that the Magha mentioned in the Vedanga Jyotisha is Purnimanta month indeed. Several times he made unfounded claims. Everytime he tries to mislead the members with false information. If we go by his interpretation then Lord Rama's birth occurred about a million years ago. Purana, the fifth veda, gives the lineology of the Suryavamsha and that does not say that Lord Rama was born a million years ago. People like Vinay Jha are causing immense damage to the image of Hinduism. He claims to be a monk and also vaunts that because of that he has access to secret knowledge, which the ordinary mortals like us do not have. It is preposterous and nobody including the great Adi Sankaracharaya had not boasted like that. He appears to have some sort of megalomania and thinks himself to be a great scholar authorised to slight other people. Now I realise that Chandrahariji was right in telling us in AIA about Mr. Vinay Jha. At that time I did not like the strong words used by Chandrahariji but now I realise what made Chandrahariji to write like that. In these fora we have arguments and exchanges of information to sort out topical matters intellectually but Vinay Jha believes in vitiating the environment. He is somewhat sophisticated and does not hurl abuses with sexual overtones like some other members had done earlier. Nonetheless he gives abuses bordering on that. He thinks that if someone does not accept his views then that person must be his enemy. Sincerely, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Sat, 7/18/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ > Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya! Saturday, July 18, 2009, 4:01 AM , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > Dear Rohini, > > Vinay Jha is dumbfounded by the relation 2700 Divya varsha = 3030 Manush Varsha. It is clear that he does not have answer to that and that is why he is running away from the crucial question. As I have the truth on my side so I don't have to worry. In good faith I offered that let us agree to disagree but he imagined that I was trying to escape. In fact he has closed the escape route for himself. Now he wants to fight to finish and he has already taken the help of some Maharathi. Now he is threatening to bring many more Maharathis on his side. > > Enjoy, Good entertainment in the offing really. > > Best wishes, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ... wrote: > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ... > Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, MrVinay Jha. > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 11:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini ji & c, > > > > It is clear that Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya does not care for scriptures and > > believes false quotations will help him to establish a false concept as > > true. Hence, I have requested some university heads and professors to > > join internet fora. Today, Dr Radhakant Mishra, who became HOD of > > Jyotisha Dept as well as of Faculty last year in KSD Sanskrit > > University, also agreed to devote some time in these fora. > > > > Some senior Jyotishis & c from national leadership of Rashtriya > > Svayamsevaka Samgha are soon joining these fora to take care of Mr Sunil > > Bhattacharjya & c. They cannot be abused away, they know how to deal with > > abusers and liars. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= = == > > , " vinayjhaa16 " <vinayjhaa16@ ....> > > wrote: > > > > > > To Rohini Ji & c, > > > > > > Mr Sunil Ji says " If my memory serves me right even the Vishnu purana > > > also gives... " . > > > > > > I had provided the website address of Mahirishi Institute of > > management > > > (http://is1.mum. edu/vedicreserve / <http://is1.mum. edu/vedicreserve /> > > ) > > > where all these debated texts are available. Why Sunil Ji relies on > > his > > > fallible memory instead of consulting the texts ? Neither Vishnu > > Purana > > > (or any other text) says Kaliyuga to be of 4800 years, nor Vayu Purana > > > says what he wrongly quotes. I possess many Puranas in my room, and > > many > > > more in electric form downloaded from reliable sites, but I do not > > > possess Vayu Purana at present, but I requested Dr Girija Shankar > > > Shastri, the foremost astrologer of Allahabad and HOD of sankrit > > there, > > > to scan Vayu purana. He did so and reported that Vayu Purana does not > > > support what Sunil ji claims. > > > > > > Dr Girija Shankar Shastri has edited and published many rare Sanskrit > > > manuscripts of Jyotisha and is invited by many universities as an > > expert > > > in PhD interviews (recently, he was a member of an expert committee > > > constituted by KSD Sanskrit University for interviewing those > > candidates > > > who were already PhD and were applicant for major research Project of > > > UGC, I was also a member there). Dr Girija Shankar Shastri is a busy > > > person, and not very deft in handling computers, but has agreed to > > join > > > this group. I hope Sunil Ji will will not abuse him in the manner he > > > does me, otherwise he may face libel suits, because many judges and > > > advocates of Allahabad are supportes and disciples of Dr Girija > > Shankar > > > Shastri due to erudition of the latter. A monk can neglect to file a > > > libel suit, but others may do. Mr Sunil should understand the meaning > > of > > > " erudite gentleman " . Mr Sunil is refuting the evidence of so many > > > Puranas & c sent by me and is refusing to cite verses which he wrongly > > > quotes. > > > > > > I have requested the General Secretary of Akhila Bhaaratiya Vidvat > > > Parishada (of Varanasi) to join these forums to see how Hindu > > scriptures > > > are being misquoted in astrological fora ; this person is also the > > > member of national executive of RSS and is a former weditor of Vishva > > > Panchanga of BHU, and is a firebrand opponent of fall falsehoods, and > > > has agreed to spend some time in these fora. > > > > > > If needed, I will request other reputed scholars of India to see the > > > state of things in internet fora. Mr Sunil is heading towards greater > > > troubles if he sticks to falsehood and abuses. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ============ ======= === > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya > > > sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > > > Sometime back I suggested to Mr. Vinay Jha to read the Vayu Purana > > as > > > according to me the Vayu purana clearly defines what are the Divya > > > varsha and the Manushya varsha and that purana also gives the example > > > that 2700 Divya varsha (Sidereal Solar year) is equal to 3030 Sidereal > > > Lunar calendar, so that there would not be any confusion. If my memory > > > serves me right even the Vishnu purana also gives an example to > > > > show that the spam of Kali yuga is 48000 (360,000 / 75 = 4800) > > years, > > > > in human calculations. > > > > > > > > Then all of a sudden, even before he could read the Vayu purana on > > > that topic, he attacked me on the subject of the span of yuga again. > > > Instead of trying to sort out the issue he tried to show > > one-up-manship > > > and I have to will-nilly try to project what is the truth. > > > > > > > > I have already said more than once that > > > > let us agree to disagree. Let him say that he agrees to disagree and > > > > then this exchange automatically comes to an end. But I doubt if an > > > > egoist like him can agree to disagree and leave the topic. He thinks > > > that by hook or crook he can trounce me. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ > > > > Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, MrVinay > > > Jha. > > > > > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to > > time > > > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from > > BVRaman's > > > astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...! ) trying to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may > > pronounce > > > a judgment in our cyber-village? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will leave > > that > > > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks! > > Just > > > as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful, healthwise > > by > > > doctors) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like > > that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhul chook leni deni! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives > > the > > > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle = 2700 > > > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha. > > > > > > > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is > > > avoiding Vayu purana all along. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is > > citing > > > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka and > > not > > > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some > > > wrong ideas about Sanskrit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > > > > > > > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil > > > bhattacharjya! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was > > > equal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and > > refuses > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses > > from > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he > > hibernated > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with new > > > lies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I > > sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar, > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods, > > feigning > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me " an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince > > > everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and > > is > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > haughty to admit his errors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which > > says > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa > > > m " (Amsha- vi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chapter-3, verse 10) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night / > > > (and) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods > > > (=asuraodvishaam) . " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one chaturyuga.. > > . " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because Mr > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear > > verdict > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my " invention ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata > > > (khanda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means days > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says > > > " Daive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah , ahastatrodagayanam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee > > varsham " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here varsha > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is divided > > thus > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night " . > > MBh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see > > verse > > > 15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in > > > maanushalaukika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (but not in devaloka). " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient > > > Jyotisha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Siddhantas : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years > > for > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and > > > Earth's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in > > Suryasiddhanta, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of > > > Mahabharata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000 > > normal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses > > 5-6) > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse > > > 10). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not > > > 43200000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta, > > Aryabhatiya > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu > > > Dharmottara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar " years > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse > > direction > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say that > > > 360 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one divya > > year > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga). > > > Exactly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3, > > verses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have > > > lengths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of > > > Satyuga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya " years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of > > > four > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even schoolboys > > do > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive > > > drinking, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken > > daily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers. > > > Then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted several > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it > > is > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse > > where > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed the > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all 49 > > > Marutas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans, > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic > > times, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda > > never > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should > > cite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without a > > > goblet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic > > Sanskrit > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep away > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are needed > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool may > > > pose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which he > > > went > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this > > connection, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also cited > > > verses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Matsya Purana : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A century > > of > > > men > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One > > > Thousand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in Verses18-19 > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linga Purana cited below) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien. Let us > > > agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu purana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (57.17) " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that > > Divyavarsha > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as shown > > > below, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana, > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24, ch-5) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst half of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > verse-25, ch-5) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is " divasa " > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says > > it > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to him, > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is defined in > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and > > > dakshina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make one year > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various > > types > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one > > > human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said > > that > > > " 30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language is > > copy > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga > > > said by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaayu) : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse > > > 61-62 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > measured in terms of this solar measure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha > > to > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact > > replica > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse-7 says : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of > > > gods) " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga. > > Verses > > > 15- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam) > > > varshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the > > ratio > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 852000 divya varshas = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha " (verse > > > 15-16) ; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of > > gods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, Verse-15 says : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varsha of Gods " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam " , ie, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (of 360 human years) " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane > > chaahanee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and > > > dakshinaayana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are called > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (maanusha-loka) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his > > > abusive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to one > > > solar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes a > > > mess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to his > > > lack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in indological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing > > as > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= == === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Dear all,Since Vinay Jha's stay in the AIA group he has been abusing and maligning me, as addicted to wine, even though I am a teetotaller. Inspite of that I tried to forget his abuses. But he is incorrigible. When in a mail I said that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers he took lot of pains to quote several verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere the Rig Veda had said that we are brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse where the Rig Veda indeed ays that we all are brothers. Recently when I said that Svetasvatara Upanishad mentions Samkhya he challenged and said that Sankhya is not mentioned in that upanishad and I had to quote the relevant verse to show that he was wrong. On another occasion when I said that Magha mentioned in the Vedanga Jyotisha is Purnimanta Maghahe he opposed it saying that the Siddhantas do not accept that. Then I asked him to show a verse from the Suryasiddhanta to support that. Then he realised his mistake and accepted that the Magha mentioned in the Vedanga Jyotisha is Purnimanta month indeed. Several times he made unfounded claims. Everytime he tries to mislead the members with false information. If we go by his interpretation then Lord Rama's birth occurred about a million years ago. Purana, the fifth veda, gives the lineology of the Suryavamsha and that does not say that Lord Rama was born a million years ago. People like Vinay Jha are causing immense damage to the image of Hinduism. He claims to be a monk and also vaunts that because of that he has access to secret knowledge, which the ordinary mortals like us do not have. It is preposterous and nobody including the great Adi Sankaracharaya had not boasted like that. He appears to have some sort of megalomania and thinks himself to be a great scholar authorised to slight other people. Now I realise that Chandrahariji was right in telling us in AIA about Mr. Vinay Jha. At that time I did not like the strong words used by Chandrahariji but now I realise what made Chandrahariji to write like that. In these fora we have arguments and exchanges of information to sort out topical matters intellectually but Vinay Jha believes in vitiating the environment. He is somewhat sophisticated and does not hurl abuses with sexual overtones like some other members had done earlier. Nonetheless he gives abuses bordering on that. He thinks that if someone does not accept his views then that person must be his enemy.Sincerely,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Sat, 7/18/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote:vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16Subject: Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya! Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 4:01 AM , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > Dear Rohini, > > Vinay Jha is dumbfounded by the relation 2700 Divya varsha = 3030 Manush Varsha. It is clear that he does not have answer to that and that is why he is running away from the crucial question. As I have the truth on my side so I don't have to worry. In good faith I offered that let us agree to disagree but he imagined that I was trying to escape. In fact he has closed the escape route for himself. Now he wants to fight to finish and he has already taken the help of some Maharathi. Now he is threatening to bring many more Maharathis on his side. > > Enjoy, Good entertainment in the offing really. > > Best wishes, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ... wrote: > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ... > Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, MrVinay Jha. > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 11:49 PM > > > > > > To Rohini ji & c, > > > > It is clear that Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya does not care for scriptures and > > believes false quotations will help him to establish a false concept as > > true. Hence, I have requested some university heads and professors to > > join internet fora. Today, Dr Radhakant Mishra, who became HOD of > > Jyotisha Dept as well as of Faculty last year in KSD Sanskrit > > University, also agreed to devote some time in these fora. > > > > Some senior Jyotishis & c from national leadership of Rashtriya > > Svayamsevaka Samgha are soon joining these fora to take care of Mr Sunil > > Bhattacharjya & c. They cannot be abused away, they know how to deal with > > abusers and liars. > > > > -VJ > > ============ ========= = == > > , "vinayjhaa16" <vinayjhaa16@ ....> > > wrote: > > > > > > To Rohini Ji & c, > > > > > > Mr Sunil Ji says "If my memory serves me right even the Vishnu purana > > > also gives...". > > > > > > I had provided the website address of Mahirishi Institute of > > management > > > (http://is1.mum. edu/vedicreserve / <http://is1.mum. edu/vedicreserve /> > > ) > > > where all these debated texts are available. Why Sunil Ji relies on > > his > > > fallible memory instead of consulting the texts ? Neither Vishnu > > Purana > > > (or any other text) says Kaliyuga to be of 4800 years, nor Vayu Purana > > > says what he wrongly quotes. I possess many Puranas in my room, and > > many > > > more in electric form downloaded from reliable sites, but I do not > > > possess Vayu Purana at present, but I requested Dr Girija Shankar > > > Shastri, the foremost astrologer of Allahabad and HOD of sankrit > > there, > > > to scan Vayu purana. He did so and reported that Vayu Purana does not > > > support what Sunil ji claims. > > > > > > Dr Girija Shankar Shastri has edited and published many rare Sanskrit > > > manuscripts of Jyotisha and is invited by many universities as an > > expert > > > in PhD interviews (recently, he was a member of an expert committee > > > constituted by KSD Sanskrit University for interviewing those > > candidates > > > who were already PhD and were applicant for major research Project of > > > UGC, I was also a member there). Dr Girija Shankar Shastri is a busy > > > person, and not very deft in handling computers, but has agreed to > > join > > > this group. I hope Sunil Ji will will not abuse him in the manner he > > > does me, otherwise he may face libel suits, because many judges and > > > advocates of Allahabad are supportes and disciples of Dr Girija > > Shankar > > > Shastri due to erudition of the latter. A monk can neglect to file a > > > libel suit, but others may do. Mr Sunil should understand the meaning > > of > > > "erudite gentleman". Mr Sunil is refuting the evidence of so many > > > Puranas & c sent by me and is refusing to cite verses which he wrongly > > > quotes. > > > > > > I have requested the General Secretary of Akhila Bhaaratiya Vidvat > > > Parishada (of Varanasi) to join these forums to see how Hindu > > scriptures > > > are being misquoted in astrological fora ; this person is also the > > > member of national executive of RSS and is a former weditor of Vishva > > > Panchanga of BHU, and is a firebrand opponent of fall falsehoods, and > > > has agreed to spend some time in these fora. > > > > > > If needed, I will request other reputed scholars of India to see the > > > state of things in internet fora. Mr Sunil is heading towards greater > > > troubles if he sticks to falsehood and abuses. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ============ ======= === > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya > > > sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohini, > > > > > > > > Sometime back I suggested to Mr. Vinay Jha to read the Vayu Purana > > as > > > according to me the Vayu purana clearly defines what are the Divya > > > varsha and the Manushya varsha and that purana also gives the example > > > that 2700 Divya varsha (Sidereal Solar year) is equal to 3030 Sidereal > > > Lunar calendar, so that there would not be any confusion. If my memory > > > serves me right even the Vishnu purana also gives an example to > > > > show that the spam of Kali yuga is 48000 (360,000 / 75 = 4800) > > years, > > > > in human calculations. > > > > > > > > Then all of a sudden, even before he could read the Vayu purana on > > > that topic, he attacked me on the subject of the span of yuga again. > > > Instead of trying to sort out the issue he tried to show > > one-up-manship > > > and I have to will-nilly try to project what is the truth. > > > > > > > > I have already said more than once that > > > > let us agree to disagree. Let him say that he agrees to disagree and > > > > then this exchange automatically comes to an end. But I doubt if an > > > > egoist like him can agree to disagree and leave the topic. He thinks > > > that by hook or crook he can trounce me. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan jyotish_vani@ > > > > Re: Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, MrVinay > > > Jha. > > > > > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dada, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual ways! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time to > > time > > > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from > > BVRaman's > > > astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...! ) trying to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may > > pronounce > > > a judgment in our cyber-village? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ?? Educate us "great unwashed" with stuff that ... (I will leave > > that > > > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the blanks! > > Just > > > as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful, healthwise > > by > > > doctors) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something like > > that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhul chook leni deni! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya > > > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana gives > > the > > > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle = 2700 > > > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha. > > > > > > > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he is > > > avoiding Vayu purana all along. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He is > > citing > > > verses about "Devaanam varsha", which is applicable to Devaloka and > > not > > > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up some > > > wrong ideas about Sanskrit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...> > > > > > > > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr Sunil > > > bhattacharjya! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To All : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha was > > > equal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and > > refuses > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him verses > > from > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he > > hibernated > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed with new > > > lies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and I > > sent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive liar, > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods, > > feigning > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me "an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrigible liar". Here are the proofs which will convince > > > everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly, and > > is > > > too > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > haughty to admit his errors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana, which > > says > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa chaiva-asuradvishaa > > > m"(Amsha- vi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chapter-3, verse 10) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It means : "12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya day-night / > > > (and) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods > > > (=asuraodvishaam) ." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next verse says : "such 12000 yesrs are equal to one chaturyuga.. > > ." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word because Mr > > > Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear > > verdict > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as "my" invention ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from Mahabharata > > > (khanda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike" , which means days > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17 says > > > "Daive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah , ahastatrodagayanam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam" : in which "Daive raatryahanee > > varsham" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > means "(human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods". Here varsha > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from preceding two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means "this daiva day+night is divided > > thus > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine night". > > MBh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year : see > > verse > > > 15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in > > > maanushalaukika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (but not in devaloka)." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient > > > Jyotisha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Siddhantas : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar years > > for > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000 and > > > Earth's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in > > Suryasiddhanta, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day count in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of Suryasiddhanta) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of > > > Mahabharata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which 4320000 > > normal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see verses > > 5-6) > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i, verse > > > 10). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and not > > > 43200000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts. His > > > stand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta, > > Aryabhatiya > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana, Vishnu > > > Dharmottara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga is of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000 divine > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can he put "1582237828 sunrises" in only 12000 "solar" years > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse > > direction > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say that > > > 360 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "human" ("maanusha", see verse 6) years are equal to one divya > > year > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12000 "divya" years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga). > > > Exactly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3, > > verses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have > > > lengths > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of yugas is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of > > > Satyuga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 "divya" years > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the sequence of > > > four > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even schoolboys > > do > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive > > > drinking, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken > > daily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers. > > > Then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted several > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig Veda it > > is > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse > > where > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he missed the > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that "all 49 > > > Marutas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are equal bhraatara". If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be humans, > > > born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic > > times, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ? Rgveda > > never > > > said > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "we are all brothers". Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He should > > cite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures without a > > > goblet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic > > Sanskrit > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should keep away > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are needed > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every fool may > > > pose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of context. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after which he > > > went > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences, but > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing that > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this > > connection, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also cited > > > verses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Matsya Purana : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meaning: "Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A century > > of > > > men > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years make > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One > > > Thousand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divine years." ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in Verses18-19 > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Linga Purana cited below) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But Mr Sunil answered : "Thank you for the trouble takien. Let us > > > agree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu purana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (57.17)". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : "Vayu purana says that > > Divyavarsha > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I said : "Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask him > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote the verse verbatim." In reply, I got abuses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as shown > > > below, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada Purana, > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more details > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet" (verse-24, ch-5) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam" (forst half of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > verse-25, ch-5) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two ayanas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans) which is > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "din" of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is "divasa" > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu Purana, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB says > > it > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is "vague" to him, > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse-5 defines "maanusha" measure, and then "maasa' is defined in > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara and > > > dakshina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make one year > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates various > > types > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as > > > different > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say one > > > human > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is said > > that > > > "30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month", the language is > > copy > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ("trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah"). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It means "360 years of humans are equal to one divya samvatsara". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya Purana > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much (poorva-bhaaga > > > said by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaayu) : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas, verse > > > 61-62 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined on > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the measure of > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun divides day > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and year are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > measured in terms of this solar measure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly in > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya varsha > > to > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact > > replica > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage Pulastya : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse-7 says : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day (of > > > gods)" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one chaturyuga. > > Verses > > > 15- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say that "one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya (suraadinaam) > > > varshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years" : the > > ratio > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 852000 divya varshas = > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha" (verse > > > 15-16) ; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh /" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage Shaunaka says > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as day > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra of > > gods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, Verse-15 says : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans are > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varsha of Gods" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next line says "iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam" , ie, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very divya > > > year > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (of 360 human years)" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : "ayane > > chaahanee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paramaayur-nirupita m", ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and > > > dakshinaayana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are called > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "varsha" or "dvaasha" (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (maanusha-loka) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified his > > > abusive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one falsehood > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There are some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal to one > > > solar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil makes a > > > mess > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due to his > > > lack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in indological > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts posing > > as > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= == === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Dear Sunil-Da, Please allow kid-brother to share, if I may? One of my teachers once quoted someone who said, " Discretion is the better part of valour! " . This goes well with another saying that says, " Choose your battles carefully...! " I know that is a bit of an over-statement because there is no War or battles or enemies in this etheric ?reality? that Internet is -- but must one snap out and respond each time the wind blows, this way or that way? Interestingly, we can only smell when we are silent and not talking or responding (expelling breath!), have you noticed? If we just stop responding and sense (smell in french language I believe the word sense means?), we will stop reacting and give out witness self an opportunity to realize that the wind even when it blows turbulently, dangerously and destructively -- also 'helplessly' carries a whiff of the scent of Jasmine and Lavender that it happened to blow across and had no clue what all it was carrying! The wind is as helpless as the human that receives it. Hence the saying goes amongst wise: Do not kill the messenger but pick and choose what the message contained. The message is not the messenger as they rightly said! Sorry for my Bak Bak! I blame it on my tooth that is getting longer! Rohini vedic astrology , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya > Re: Re: Come to senses Mr Vinay Jha > > Cc: Ancient_indian_astrology > Saturday, July 18, 2009, 5:29 AM > > Dear all, > > Since Vinay Jha's stay in the AIA group he has been abusing and maligning me, as addicted to wine, even though I am a teetotaller. Inspite of that I tried to forget his abuses. But he is incorrigible. When in a mail I said that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers he took lot of pains to quote several verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere the Rig Veda had said that we are brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse where the Rig Veda indeed ays that we all are brothers. Recently when I said that Svetasvatara Upanishad mentions Samkhya he challenged and said that Sankhya is not mentioned in that upanishad and I had to quote the relevant verse to show that he was wrong. On another occasion when I said that Magha mentioned in the Vedanga Jyotisha is Purnimanta Maghahe he opposed it saying that the Siddhantas do not accept that. Then I asked him to show a verse from the Suryasiddhanta to support that. Then he realised his mistake and accepted that the Magha mentioned in the Vedanga Jyotisha is Purnimanta month indeed. Several times he made unfounded claims. Everytime he tries to mislead the members with false information. > > If we go by his interpretation then Lord Rama's birth occurred about a million years ago. Purana, the fifth veda, gives the lineology of the Suryavamsha and that does not say that Lord Rama was born a million years ago. People like Vinay Jha are causing immense damage to the image of Hinduism. He claims to be a monk and also vaunts that because of that he has access to secret knowledge, which the ordinary mortals like us do not have. It is preposterous and nobody including the great Adi Sankaracharaya had not boasted like that. He appears to have some sort of megalomania and thinks himself to be a great scholar authorised to slight other people. Now I realise that Chandrahariji was right in telling us in AIA about Mr. Vinay Jha. At that time I did not like the strong words used by Chandrahariji but now I realise what made Chandrahariji to write like that. > > In these fora we have arguments and exchanges of information to sort out topical matters intellectually but Vinay Jha believes in vitiating the environment. He is somewhat sophisticated and does not hurl abuses with sexual overtones like some other members had done earlier. Nonetheless he gives abuses bordering on that. He thinks that if someone does not accept his views then that person must be his enemy. > > > Sincerely, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Thank you Rohimi. Best wishes, SKB --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani wrote: Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani [vedic astrology] Fw: Re: Re: Come to senses Mr Vinay Jha vedic astrology Saturday, July 18, 2009, 7:37 PM Dear Sunil-Da, Please allow kid-brother to share, if I may? One of my teachers once quoted someone who said, " Discretion is the better part of valour! " . This goes well with another saying that says, " Choose your battles carefully... ! " I know that is a bit of an over-statement because there is no War or battles or enemies in this etheric ?reality? that Internet is -- but must one snap out and respond each time the wind blows, this way or that way? Interestingly, we can only smell when we are silent and not talking or responding (expelling breath!), have you noticed? If we just stop responding and sense (smell in french language I believe the word sense means?), we will stop reacting and give out witness self an opportunity to realize that the wind even when it blows turbulently, dangerously and destructively -- also 'helplessly' carries a whiff of the scent of Jasmine and Lavender that it happened to blow across and had no clue what all it was carrying! The wind is as helpless as the human that receives it. Hence the saying goes amongst wise: Do not kill the messenger but pick and choose what the message contained. The message is not the messenger as they rightly said! Sorry for my Bak Bak! I blame it on my tooth that is getting longer! Rohini vedic astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a > Re: Re: Come to senses Mr Vinay Jha > > Cc: Ancient_indian_ astrology > Saturday, July 18, 2009, 5:29 AM > > Dear all, > > Since Vinay Jha's stay in the AIA group he has been abusing and maligning me, as addicted to wine, even though I am a teetotaller. Inspite of that I tried to forget his abuses. But he is incorrigible. When in a mail I said that the Rig Veda says that we are all brothers he took lot of pains to quote several verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere the Rig Veda had said that we are brothers. Then I had to quote the exact verse where the Rig Veda indeed ays that we all are brothers. Recently when I said that Svetasvatara Upanishad mentions Samkhya he challenged and said that Sankhya is not mentioned in that upanishad and I had to quote the relevant verse to show that he was wrong. On another occasion when I said that Magha mentioned in the Vedanga Jyotisha is Purnimanta Maghahe he opposed it saying that the Siddhantas do not accept that. Then I asked him to show a verse from the Suryasiddhanta to support that. Then he realised his mistake and accepted that the Magha mentioned in the Vedanga Jyotisha is Purnimanta month indeed. Several times he made unfounded claims. Everytime he tries to mislead the members with false information. > > If we go by his interpretation then Lord Rama's birth occurred about a million years ago. Purana, the fifth veda, gives the lineology of the Suryavamsha and that does not say that Lord Rama was born a million years ago. People like Vinay Jha are causing immense damage to the image of Hinduism. He claims to be a monk and also vaunts that because of that he has access to secret knowledge, which the ordinary mortals like us do not have. It is preposterous and nobody including the great Adi Sankaracharaya had not boasted like that. He appears to have some sort of megalomania and thinks himself to be a great scholar authorised to slight other people. Now I realise that Chandrahariji was right in telling us in AIA about Mr. Vinay Jha. At that time I did not like the strong words used by Chandrahariji but now I realise what made Chandrahariji to write like that. > > In these fora we have arguments and exchanges of information to sort out topical matters intellectually but Vinay Jha believes in vitiating the environment. He is somewhat sophisticated and does not hurl abuses with sexual overtones like some other members had done earlier. Nonetheless he gives abuses bordering on that. He thinks that if someone does not accept his views then that person must be his enemy. > > > Sincerely, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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