On Testing Placidus House System/ Equal House System and their efficacy

July 22, 2009

Dear Bhaskar Jee and other friends,

The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage Satyacharya and

sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao (Meena).

I have no disagreement over use of star or use of sub or even sub-sub.

I have no disagreement of using the- Ruling Planets ( the main controlling

planets of the prasna chart- having maximum Kala Bala as per traditional

principle)

My points of disagreement are :-

(i)use of Placidus system of houses

(ii)what was the need for Western Aspects when we already had Sripati Paddhati

on aspects when we had a more compact and accurate system of measuring planetary

aspects( refer Graha and Bhava Bala book by Dr BV Raman)

(iii) takeing cusp of the house as the beginning point of the house...rather

than mid-point or most effect point of the house.

(iv) elimination of significators using Ruling Planets....My humble view that

these redundant significators gets generated...

Does not KP readers mention of elimination of significators on the basis of

Ruling Planet Theory ?

Why these extra significators.....and their elimination by RPs ?

just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and ...taking the

cusp as the beginning of the House.

I had already worked out all the examples given on the KP readers simply on the

basis of the equal houses system and treating the cusp as

the middle of the house- and using the

traditional planetary aspects and karaktwa had got the

same finanl results.

A simple research/ experiment proposal:

------

Here is a simple proposal for testing the (A)Placidus System of Houses and

(B)taking cusp of the house as beginning point of the house.

--

Let us use Indian Independence Chart ( where we can not debate about the

error in birth time; which is a very general plea taken to hide the failures in

astrology)

Let us some of use adept in original KP system use the KP Ayanamsa as well as

Placidus Sytem of House.

Let us start giving mundane prediction about India and its people and places

on trial basis for every month - just as experiement to test.

On first week of every month - from this month onward Myself or other members of

the group whoever like will submit their readings on Indian Independence Chart

simply on the basis of equal house system, taking cusp of the house as midpoint

of the houses using rasi-navamsa, star and sub and usual traditional planetary

aspects as per Sripati Paddhati, and the Vimshottari as well as Ashottari Dasa

wherever applicable.

---

Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other follower of the original KP system come

forward and spare some time to give his monthly readings on the Indian

Indpendence chart using his original KP System.

----

Since the //test of pudding lies in its effectivness//

Let us not make any analysis / criticism of the (A) Placidus System of Houses/

Equal House System of Houses or (B) using cusp of the house as the

beginning/middle of a house- as per Western System.

----

Let us do this experimentation for 12 months and see the best of the two

systems.

Note: Please donot confine this as an event between Dear Bhashkar Jee and

Myself. All astrologers using the original KP/ non-KP may comeforward with an

open mind and make their positive contributions without making any personal

criticism or harsh words in their writings. Let us do some experimentation in a

cool and focussed manner.

With regards and best wishes to all,

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

July 22, 2009

Dear Mritunjay ji,

// The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao (Meena). //

This is what I have been saying since last 2 Years on these Forum. You are repeating the same thing. There is no ambuigity about it or any new discovery.

// My points of disagreement are : //

Your points of disagreements are not of any utility to me, because anyone is free to use whatever methods one finds is right. In this case Krishnamurthyji used what he found as right. I also find this as right. Why he choose to use these, can be asked to him and not asked to me because I dont waste time over experimenting again and again on whatever a stalwart has found as right and what works fine with me and scores of other KP Followers. I once again suggest you to read the KP Readers so that you get your answers instead of me looking back at those and mentinong the Page numbers or doing "Copy paste".

// just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House. //

The Placidus system is erroneous - is Your thinking and you can stay with it. No issues. But can you prove that it is erroneous. If You can prove this, then please write a article and publish it in the KP Magazine which is a monthly magazine and lets see whether it is accepted and what are the responses for the same. I am no way conected to your likes and dislikes and neither care to remove your doubts. If You wish to call "Idli" as "Medu Vada" then fine with me.

// Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other follower of the original KP system come forward and spare some time to give his monthly readings on the Indian Indpendence chart using his original KP System.//

I have very clearly mentioned on umpteen times, that I am not interested in Mundane predictions and have no knowledge in bifercating the results or making predictions for what you have suggested. Neither have I got spare time for all this. But why dont you do so with your knowledge of Shripathi and Equal House system ? We will certainly give you the due respect and acclaim for the right predictions made by You.

I have nothing to prove to anybody. The food I cook in my kitchen is well accepted and eaten heartily by those who eat the same. I am also unbiased towards any system of prgnostication, be it Tarot, Crystal gazing, Dowsing, KP, Traditional, Sayana, Nirayana, Naadi astrology, Placidus, Equal House, Shripathi. For me all work and bear my respect for each.

Thanks and regards,

Bhaskar.

, "Mrutyunjay Tripathy" <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar Jee and other friends,> > > The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao (Meena).> > I have no disagreement over use of star or use of sub or even sub-sub.> > I have no disagreement of using the- Ruling Planets ( the main controlling planets of the prasna chart- having maximum Kala Bala as per traditional principle)> > My points of disagreement are :-> > (i)use of Placidus system of houses> > (ii)what was the need for Western Aspects when we already had Sripati Paddhati on aspects when we had a more compact and accurate system of measuring planetary aspects( refer Graha and Bhava Bala book by Dr BV Raman)> > (iii) takeing cusp of the house as the beginning point of the house...rather than mid-point or most effect point of the house.> > (iv) elimination of significators using Ruling Planets....My humble view that these redundant significators gets generated...> > Does not KP readers mention of elimination of significators on the basis of Ruling Planet Theory ?> > > Why these extra significators.....and their elimination by RPs ?> > just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House.> > I had already worked out all the examples given on the KP readers simply on the basis of the equal houses system and treating the cusp as > > the middle of the house- and using the> > traditional planetary aspects and karaktwa had got the > > same finanl results.> > > A simple research/ experiment proposal:> ------> > Here is a simple proposal for testing the (A)Placidus System of Houses and (B)taking cusp of the house as beginning point of the house.> > --> Let us use Indian Independence Chart ( where we can not debate about the error in birth time; which is a very general plea taken to hide the failures in astrology)> > Let us some of use adept in original KP system use the KP Ayanamsa as well as Placidus Sytem of House.> > > Let us start giving mundane prediction about India and its people and places on trial basis for every month - just as experiement to test.> > On first week of every month - from this month onward Myself or other members of the group whoever like will submit their readings on Indian Independence Chart simply on the basis of equal house system, taking cusp of the house as midpoint of the houses using rasi-navamsa, star and sub and usual traditional planetary aspects as per Sripati Paddhati, and the Vimshottari as well as Ashottari Dasa wherever applicable.> ---> > Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other follower of the original KP system come forward and spare some time to give his monthly readings on the Indian Indpendence chart using his original KP System.> > ----> > Since the //test of pudding lies in its effectivness// > > Let us not make any analysis / criticism of the (A) Placidus System of Houses/ Equal House System of Houses or (B) using cusp of the house as the beginning/middle of a house- as per Western System.> > ----> Let us do this experimentation for 12 months and see the best of the two systems.> > > Note: Please donot confine this as an event between Dear Bhashkar Jee and Myself. All astrologers using the original KP/ non-KP may comeforward with an open mind and make their positive contributions without making any personal criticism or harsh words in their writings. Let us do some experimentation in a cool and focussed manner.> > With regards and best wishes to all,> > Mrutyunjay Tripathy>

July 22, 2009

Dear all,

Since most of the regular readers know very well that I was never

interested in these two branches of astrology - " Medical " and " Mundane "

and have always accepted that this is not my cup of tea, in this case we

have now with us only Shri Mrutunajay ji left with his Equal House and

Shripathy Knowledge, and Traditional aspects theory.

I expect to see a lot many spectacular predictions coming from him after

all this exchanges of mails, and time spent, and I hope we have a treat

for us in the next one month, alongwith the solid Logic which we hope to

receive alongwith the Mundane predictions given on India, by Shri

Mritunjay ji. Wherever the predictions are right, let him also explain

why the other divsision of House system will not work. And whenever his

predictions are wrong let him explain why they went wrong.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Mritunjay ji,

> // The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage

> Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao

> (Meena). // This is what I have been saying since last 2 Years on

> these Forum. You are repeating the same thing. There is no ambuigity

> about it or any new discovery.

> // My points of disagreement are : // Your points of disagreements

> are not of any utility to me, because anyone is free to use whatever

> methods one finds is right. In this case Krishnamurthyji used what he

> found as right. I also find this as right. Why he choose to use these,

> can be asked to him and not asked to me because I dont waste time over

> experimenting again and again on whatever a stalwart has found as

right

> and what works fine with me and scores of other KP Followers. I once

> again suggest you to read the KP Readers so that you get your answers

> instead of me looking back at those and mentinong the Page numbers or

> doing " Copy paste " .

> // just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and

> ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House. // The Placidus

> system is erroneous - is Your thinking and you can stay with it. No

> issues. But can you prove that it is erroneous. If You can prove this,

> then please write a article and publish it in the KP Magazine which is

a

> monthly magazine and lets see whether it is accepted and what are the

> responses for the same. I am no way conected to your likes and

dislikes

> and neither care to remove your doubts. If You wish to call " Idli " as

> " Medu Vada " then fine with me. // Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other

> follower of the original KP system come forward and spare some time to

> give his monthly readings on the Indian Indpendence chart using his

> original KP System.// I have very clearly mentioned on umpteen times,

> that I am not interested in Mundane predictions and have no knowledge

in

> bifercating the results or making predictions for what you have

> suggested. Neither have I got spare time for all this. But why dont

you

> do so with your knowledge of Shripathi and Equal House system ? We

will

> certainly give you the due respect and acclaim for the right

predictions

> made by You. I have nothing to prove to anybody. The food I cook in

> my kitchen is well accepted and eaten heartily by those who eat the

> same. I am also unbiased towards any system of prgnostication, be it

> Tarot, Crystal gazing, Dowsing, KP, Traditional, Sayana, Nirayana,

Naadi

> astrology, Placidus, Equal House, Shripathi. For me all work and bear

my

> respect for each. Thanks and regards, Bhaskar.

>

> , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy "

> astrologer_mrutyunjay@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Jee and other friends,

> >

> > The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage

> Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao

> (Meena).

> >

> > I have no disagreement over use of star or use of sub or even

sub-sub.

> >

> > I have no disagreement of using the- Ruling Planets ( the main

> controlling planets of the prasna chart- having maximum Kala Bala as

per

> traditional principle)

> >

> > My points of disagreement are :-

> >

> > (i)use of Placidus system of houses

> >

> > (ii)what was the need for Western Aspects when we already had

Sripati

> Paddhati on aspects when we had a more compact and accurate system of

> measuring planetary aspects( refer Graha and Bhava Bala book by Dr BV

> Raman)

> >

> > (iii) takeing cusp of the house as the beginning point of the

> house...rather than mid-point or most effect point of the house.

> >

> > (iv) elimination of significators using Ruling Planets....My humble

> view that these redundant significators gets generated...

> >

> > Does not KP readers mention of elimination of significators on the

> basis of Ruling Planet Theory ?

> >

> > Why these extra significators.....and their elimination by RPs ?

> >

> > just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and

> ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House.

> >

> > I had already worked out all the examples given on the KP readers

> simply on the basis of the equal houses system and treating the cusp

as

> >

> > the middle of the house- and using the

> >

> > traditional planetary aspects and karaktwa had got the

> >

> > same finanl results.

> >

> > A simple research/ experiment proposal:

> > ------

> >

> > Here is a simple proposal for testing the (A)Placidus System of

Houses

> and (B)taking cusp of the house as beginning point of the house.

> >

> > --

> > Let us use Indian Independence Chart ( where we can not debate about

> the error in birth time; which is a very general plea taken to hide

the

> failures in astrology)

> >

> > Let us some of use adept in original KP system use the KP Ayanamsa

as

> well as Placidus Sytem of House.

> >

> > Let us start giving mundane prediction about India and its people

and

> places on trial basis for every month - just as experiement to test.

> >

> > On first week of every month - from this month onward Myself or

other

> members of the group whoever like will submit their readings on Indian

> Independence Chart simply on the basis of equal house system, taking

> cusp of the house as midpoint of the houses using rasi-navamsa, star

and

> sub and usual traditional planetary aspects as per Sripati Paddhati,

and

> the Vimshottari as well as Ashottari Dasa wherever applicable.

> >

---

> >

> > Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other follower of the original KP system

> come forward and spare some time to give his monthly readings on the

> Indian Indpendence chart using his original KP System.

> >

----

> >

> > Since the //test of pudding lies in its effectivness//

> >

> > Let us not make any analysis / criticism of the (A) Placidus System

of

> Houses/ Equal House System of Houses or (B) using cusp of the house as

> the beginning/middle of a house- as per Western System.

> >

----

> > Let us do this experimentation for 12 months and see the best of the

> two systems.

> >

> > Note: Please donot confine this as an event between Dear Bhashkar

Jee

> and Myself. All astrologers using the original KP/ non-KP may

> comeforward with an open mind and make their positive contributions

> without making any personal criticism or harsh words in their

writings.

> Let us do some experimentation in a cool and focussed manner.

> >

> > With regards and best wishes to all,

> >

> > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> >

>

July 22, 2009

Dear Bhaskar Jee,

A tons of thanx for your coolness.

Interestingly I have a lot of other very good astrologer friends following

original KP as well as the cuspal intelinks principles- who are otherwise

excellent in their natal/ prashna readings of horoscope.

Interestingly all of them shy away from making Mundane Astrological Readings for

Indian Independence chart using KP system. Whatever may be the reason but it is

sure there would be no excuses left for probable inaccuracy of birth time in

Mundane Astrology !

Hope someday some KP system follower or the KP Astrological Magazine will have

the time and courage to do predictions on Indian Independence Chart using the KP

system !

If any member have any good articles/ write ups/ books containing astrological

readings of Indian Independence Chart using KP System...please be noble enough

to share the information in the group for the sake of promotion of astrological

wisdom.

Regards,

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

Note : In the last post I am just suggesting a mode for experimention for

experiment oriented astrologers/ members those who have time and inclination to

do.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Mritunjay ji,

> // The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage

> Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao

> (Meena). // This is what I have been saying since last 2 Years on

> these Forum. You are repeating the same thing. There is no ambuigity

> about it or any new discovery.

> // My points of disagreement are : // Your points of disagreements

> are not of any utility to me, because anyone is free to use whatever

> methods one finds is right. In this case Krishnamurthyji used what he

> found as right. I also find this as right. Why he choose to use these,

> can be asked to him and not asked to me because I dont waste time over

> experimenting again and again on whatever a stalwart has found as right

> and what works fine with me and scores of other KP Followers. I once

> again suggest you to read the KP Readers so that you get your answers

> instead of me looking back at those and mentinong the Page numbers or

> doing " Copy paste " .

> // just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and

> ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House. // The Placidus

> system is erroneous - is Your thinking and you can stay with it. No

> issues. But can you prove that it is erroneous. If You can prove this,

> then please write a article and publish it in the KP Magazine which is a

> monthly magazine and lets see whether it is accepted and what are the

> responses for the same. I am no way conected to your likes and dislikes

> and neither care to remove your doubts. If You wish to call " Idli " as

> " Medu Vada " then fine with me. // Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other

> follower of the original KP system come forward and spare some time to

> give his monthly readings on the Indian Indpendence chart using his

> original KP System.// I have very clearly mentioned on umpteen times,

> that I am not interested in Mundane predictions and have no knowledge in

> bifercating the results or making predictions for what you have

> suggested. Neither have I got spare time for all this. But why dont you

> do so with your knowledge of Shripathi and Equal House system ? We will

> certainly give you the due respect and acclaim for the right predictions

> made by You. I have nothing to prove to anybody. The food I cook in

> my kitchen is well accepted and eaten heartily by those who eat the

> same. I am also unbiased towards any system of prgnostication, be it

> Tarot, Crystal gazing, Dowsing, KP, Traditional, Sayana, Nirayana, Naadi

> astrology, Placidus, Equal House, Shripathi. For me all work and bear my

> respect for each. Thanks and regards, Bhaskar.

>

> , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy "

> <astrologer_mrutyunjay@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Jee and other friends,

> >

> > The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage

> Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao

> (Meena).

> >

> > I have no disagreement over use of star or use of sub or even sub-sub.

> >

> > I have no disagreement of using the- Ruling Planets ( the main

> controlling planets of the prasna chart- having maximum Kala Bala as per

> traditional principle)

> >

> > My points of disagreement are :-

> >

> > (i)use of Placidus system of houses

> >

> > (ii)what was the need for Western Aspects when we already had Sripati

> Paddhati on aspects when we had a more compact and accurate system of

> measuring planetary aspects( refer Graha and Bhava Bala book by Dr BV

> Raman)

> >

> > (iii) takeing cusp of the house as the beginning point of the

> house...rather than mid-point or most effect point of the house.

> >

> > (iv) elimination of significators using Ruling Planets....My humble

> view that these redundant significators gets generated...

> >

> > Does not KP readers mention of elimination of significators on the

> basis of Ruling Planet Theory ?

> >

> > Why these extra significators.....and their elimination by RPs ?

> >

> > just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and

> ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House.

> >

> > I had already worked out all the examples given on the KP readers

> simply on the basis of the equal houses system and treating the cusp as

> >

> > the middle of the house- and using the

> >

> > traditional planetary aspects and karaktwa had got the

> >

> > same finanl results.

> >

> > A simple research/ experiment proposal:

> > ------

> >

> > Here is a simple proposal for testing the (A)Placidus System of Houses

> and (B)taking cusp of the house as beginning point of the house.

> >

> > --

> > Let us use Indian Independence Chart ( where we can not debate about

> the error in birth time; which is a very general plea taken to hide the

> failures in astrology)

> >

> > Let us some of use adept in original KP system use the KP Ayanamsa as

> well as Placidus Sytem of House.

> >

> > Let us start giving mundane prediction about India and its people and

> places on trial basis for every month - just as experiement to test.

> >

> > On first week of every month - from this month onward Myself or other

> members of the group whoever like will submit their readings on Indian

> Independence Chart simply on the basis of equal house system, taking

> cusp of the house as midpoint of the houses using rasi-navamsa, star and

> sub and usual traditional planetary aspects as per Sripati Paddhati, and

> the Vimshottari as well as Ashottari Dasa wherever applicable.

> > ---

> >

> > Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other follower of the original KP system

> come forward and spare some time to give his monthly readings on the

> Indian Indpendence chart using his original KP System.

> >

> > ----

> >

> > Since the //test of pudding lies in its effectivness//

> >

> > Let us not make any analysis / criticism of the (A) Placidus System of

> Houses/ Equal House System of Houses or (B) using cusp of the house as

> the beginning/middle of a house- as per Western System.

> >

> > ----

> > Let us do this experimentation for 12 months and see the best of the

> two systems.

> >

> > Note: Please donot confine this as an event between Dear Bhashkar Jee

> and Myself. All astrologers using the original KP/ non-KP may

> comeforward with an open mind and make their positive contributions

> without making any personal criticism or harsh words in their writings.

> Let us do some experimentation in a cool and focussed manner.

> >

> > With regards and best wishes to all,

> >

> > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> >

>

July 22, 2009

Dear Bhaskar Jee and all,

Thanx for your encouragement and support.

Regards,

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> Since most of the regular readers know very well that I was never

> interested in these two branches of astrology - " Medical " and " Mundane "

> and have always accepted that this is not my cup of tea, in this case we

> have now with us only Shri Mrutunajay ji left with his Equal House and

> Shripathy Knowledge, and Traditional aspects theory.

>

> I expect to see a lot many spectacular predictions coming from him after

> all this exchanges of mails, and time spent, and I hope we have a treat

> for us in the next one month, alongwith the solid Logic which we hope to

> receive alongwith the Mundane predictions given on India, by Shri

> Mritunjay ji. Wherever the predictions are right, let him also explain

> why the other divsision of House system will not work. And whenever his

> predictions are wrong let him explain why they went wrong.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

, " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mritunjay ji,

> > // The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage

> > Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao

> > (Meena). // This is what I have been saying since last 2 Years on

> > these Forum. You are repeating the same thing. There is no ambuigity

> > about it or any new discovery.

> > // My points of disagreement are : // Your points of disagreements

> > are not of any utility to me, because anyone is free to use whatever

> > methods one finds is right. In this case Krishnamurthyji used what he

> > found as right. I also find this as right. Why he choose to use these,

> > can be asked to him and not asked to me because I dont waste time over

> > experimenting again and again on whatever a stalwart has found as

> right

> > and what works fine with me and scores of other KP Followers. I once

> > again suggest you to read the KP Readers so that you get your answers

> > instead of me looking back at those and mentinong the Page numbers or

> > doing " Copy paste " .

> > // just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and

> > ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House. // The Placidus

> > system is erroneous - is Your thinking and you can stay with it. No

> > issues. But can you prove that it is erroneous. If You can prove this,

> > then please write a article and publish it in the KP Magazine which is

> a

> > monthly magazine and lets see whether it is accepted and what are the

> > responses for the same. I am no way conected to your likes and

> dislikes

> > and neither care to remove your doubts. If You wish to call " Idli " as

> > " Medu Vada " then fine with me. // Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other

> > follower of the original KP system come forward and spare some time to

> > give his monthly readings on the Indian Indpendence chart using his

> > original KP System.// I have very clearly mentioned on umpteen times,

> > that I am not interested in Mundane predictions and have no knowledge

> in

> > bifercating the results or making predictions for what you have

> > suggested. Neither have I got spare time for all this. But why dont

> you

> > do so with your knowledge of Shripathi and Equal House system ? We

> will

> > certainly give you the due respect and acclaim for the right

> predictions

> > made by You. I have nothing to prove to anybody. The food I cook in

> > my kitchen is well accepted and eaten heartily by those who eat the

> > same. I am also unbiased towards any system of prgnostication, be it

> > Tarot, Crystal gazing, Dowsing, KP, Traditional, Sayana, Nirayana,

> Naadi

> > astrology, Placidus, Equal House, Shripathi. For me all work and bear

> my

> > respect for each. Thanks and regards, Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy "

> > astrologer_mrutyunjay@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar Jee and other friends,

> > >

> > > The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage

> > Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao

> > (Meena).

> > >

> > > I have no disagreement over use of star or use of sub or even

> sub-sub.

> > >

> > > I have no disagreement of using the- Ruling Planets ( the main

> > controlling planets of the prasna chart- having maximum Kala Bala as

> per

> > traditional principle)

> > >

> > > My points of disagreement are :-

> > >

> > > (i)use of Placidus system of houses

> > >

> > > (ii)what was the need for Western Aspects when we already had

> Sripati

> > Paddhati on aspects when we had a more compact and accurate system of

> > measuring planetary aspects( refer Graha and Bhava Bala book by Dr BV

> > Raman)

> > >

> > > (iii) takeing cusp of the house as the beginning point of the

> > house...rather than mid-point or most effect point of the house.

> > >

> > > (iv) elimination of significators using Ruling Planets....My humble

> > view that these redundant significators gets generated...

> > >

> > > Does not KP readers mention of elimination of significators on the

> > basis of Ruling Planet Theory ?

> > >

> > > Why these extra significators.....and their elimination by RPs ?

> > >

> > > just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and

> > ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House.

> > >

> > > I had already worked out all the examples given on the KP readers

> > simply on the basis of the equal houses system and treating the cusp

> as

> > >

> > > the middle of the house- and using the

> > >

> > > traditional planetary aspects and karaktwa had got the

> > >

> > > same finanl results.

> > >

> > > A simple research/ experiment proposal:

> > > ------

> > >

> > > Here is a simple proposal for testing the (A)Placidus System of

> Houses

> > and (B)taking cusp of the house as beginning point of the house.

> > >

> > > --

> > > Let us use Indian Independence Chart ( where we can not debate about

> > the error in birth time; which is a very general plea taken to hide

> the

> > failures in astrology)

> > >

> > > Let us some of use adept in original KP system use the KP Ayanamsa

> as

> > well as Placidus Sytem of House.

> > >

> > > Let us start giving mundane prediction about India and its people

> and

> > places on trial basis for every month - just as experiement to test.

> > >

> > > On first week of every month - from this month onward Myself or

> other

> > members of the group whoever like will submit their readings on Indian

> > Independence Chart simply on the basis of equal house system, taking

> > cusp of the house as midpoint of the houses using rasi-navamsa, star

> and

> > sub and usual traditional planetary aspects as per Sripati Paddhati,

> and

> > the Vimshottari as well as Ashottari Dasa wherever applicable.

> > >

> ---

> > >

> > > Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other follower of the original KP system

> > come forward and spare some time to give his monthly readings on the

> > Indian Indpendence chart using his original KP System.

> > >

> ----

> > >

> > > Since the //test of pudding lies in its effectivness//

> > >

> > > Let us not make any analysis / criticism of the (A) Placidus System

> of

> > Houses/ Equal House System of Houses or (B) using cusp of the house as

> > the beginning/middle of a house- as per Western System.

> > >

> ----

> > > Let us do this experimentation for 12 months and see the best of the

> > two systems.

> > >

> > > Note: Please donot confine this as an event between Dear Bhashkar

> Jee

> > and Myself. All astrologers using the original KP/ non-KP may

> > comeforward with an open mind and make their positive contributions

> > without making any personal criticism or harsh words in their

> writings.

> > Let us do some experimentation in a cool and focussed manner.

> > >

> > > With regards and best wishes to all,

> > >

> > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> > >

> >

>

July 22, 2009

Dear Mritunjay ji,

I have never done two things in astrology and neither wish to do them.

First is that I never shy of any challenge, or request or call for

explanations. The next is I do not use an excuse of inaccurate Birth

timings as a shield to defend anything. In my last 3 years stay on these

Jyotish groups, you will never find an single instance of above with

relations to me.

I genuinely dont know " Mundane astrology " and have never predicted and

dont know how to predict. I am also not interested in the same presently

for wish to spend spare time if any, in learning a lot more things in

Natal Astrology before expanding to Mundane.

For me the reasons apart from above are plenty , for not yet indulging

in Mundane, which I will relate some other day.

As regards to being cool, I only get enraged when some direct attempt or

attack is made at me or some guru of any system, from a Novice person,

which you are not. If you believe me, I have always considered you much

above the present lot of contributors in most of the Groups including JG

and JR. I know that you spend some time on charts, work honestly,

sincerely and little pain stakingly and do not try to fool. (One of my

thoughts on seeing you reply to Members has been - Yeh aadmi asli Pundit

hai, Padha likha aur baaki Panditon se accha hai, (Pundit because You

are a Tripathi))

Astrology is a vast science and none of us can claim to be

perefctionists. There will always be some areas where you will be better

than me, I will be better than You, and they will be better than us.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " Mrutyunjay Tripathy "

<astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar Jee,

>

> A tons of thanx for your coolness.

>

> Interestingly I have a lot of other very good astrologer friends

following original KP as well as the cuspal intelinks principles- who

are otherwise excellent in their natal/ prashna readings of horoscope.

>

> Interestingly all of them shy away from making Mundane Astrological

Readings for Indian Independence chart using KP system. Whatever may be

the reason but it is sure there would be no excuses left for probable

inaccuracy of birth time in Mundane Astrology !

>

> Hope someday some KP system follower or the KP Astrological Magazine

will have the time and courage to do predictions on Indian Independence

Chart using the KP system !

>

> If any member have any good articles/ write ups/ books containing

astrological readings of Indian Independence Chart using KP

System...please be noble enough to share the information in the group

for the sake of promotion of astrological wisdom.

>

> Regards,

>

> Mrutyunjay Tripathy

>

> Note : In the last post I am just suggesting a mode for experimention

for experiment oriented astrologers/ members those who have time and

inclination to do.

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mritunjay ji,

> > // The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage

> > Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao

> > (Meena). // This is what I have been saying since last 2 Years on

> > these Forum. You are repeating the same thing. There is no ambuigity

> > about it or any new discovery.

> > // My points of disagreement are : // Your points of disagreements

> > are not of any utility to me, because anyone is free to use whatever

> > methods one finds is right. In this case Krishnamurthyji used what

he

> > found as right. I also find this as right. Why he choose to use

these,

> > can be asked to him and not asked to me because I dont waste time

over

> > experimenting again and again on whatever a stalwart has found as

right

> > and what works fine with me and scores of other KP Followers. I once

> > again suggest you to read the KP Readers so that you get your

answers

> > instead of me looking back at those and mentinong the Page numbers

or

> > doing " Copy paste " .

> > // just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and

> > ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House. // The Placidus

> > system is erroneous - is Your thinking and you can stay with it. No

> > issues. But can you prove that it is erroneous. If You can prove

this,

> > then please write a article and publish it in the KP Magazine which

is a

> > monthly magazine and lets see whether it is accepted and what are

the

> > responses for the same. I am no way conected to your likes and

dislikes

> > and neither care to remove your doubts. If You wish to call " Idli "

as

> > " Medu Vada " then fine with me. // Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other

> > follower of the original KP system come forward and spare some time

to

> > give his monthly readings on the Indian Indpendence chart using his

> > original KP System.// I have very clearly mentioned on umpteen

times,

> > that I am not interested in Mundane predictions and have no

knowledge in

> > bifercating the results or making predictions for what you have

> > suggested. Neither have I got spare time for all this. But why dont

you

> > do so with your knowledge of Shripathi and Equal House system ? We

will

> > certainly give you the due respect and acclaim for the right

predictions

> > made by You. I have nothing to prove to anybody. The food I cook in

> > my kitchen is well accepted and eaten heartily by those who eat the

> > same. I am also unbiased towards any system of prgnostication, be it

> > Tarot, Crystal gazing, Dowsing, KP, Traditional, Sayana, Nirayana,

Naadi

> > astrology, Placidus, Equal House, Shripathi. For me all work and

bear my

> > respect for each. Thanks and regards, Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Mrutyunjay

Tripathy "

> > <astrologer_mrutyunjay@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar Jee and other friends,

> > >

> > > The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage

> > Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao

> > (Meena).

> > >

> > > I have no disagreement over use of star or use of sub or even

sub-sub.

> > >

> > > I have no disagreement of using the- Ruling Planets ( the main

> > controlling planets of the prasna chart- having maximum Kala Bala as

per

> > traditional principle)

> > >

> > > My points of disagreement are :-

> > >

> > > (i)use of Placidus system of houses

> > >

> > > (ii)what was the need for Western Aspects when we already had

Sripati

> > Paddhati on aspects when we had a more compact and accurate system

of

> > measuring planetary aspects( refer Graha and Bhava Bala book by Dr

BV

> > Raman)

> > >

> > > (iii) takeing cusp of the house as the beginning point of the

> > house...rather than mid-point or most effect point of the house.

> > >

> > > (iv) elimination of significators using Ruling Planets....My

humble

> > view that these redundant significators gets generated...

> > >

> > > Does not KP readers mention of elimination of significators on the

> > basis of Ruling Planet Theory ?

> > >

> > > Why these extra significators.....and their elimination by RPs ?

> > >

> > > just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and

> > ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House.

> > >

> > > I had already worked out all the examples given on the KP readers

> > simply on the basis of the equal houses system and treating the cusp

as

> > >

> > > the middle of the house- and using the

> > >

> > > traditional planetary aspects and karaktwa had got the

> > >

> > > same finanl results.

> > >

> > > A simple research/ experiment proposal:

> > > ------

> > >

> > > Here is a simple proposal for testing the (A)Placidus System of

Houses

> > and (B)taking cusp of the house as beginning point of the house.

> > >

--

> > > Let us use Indian Independence Chart ( where we can not debate

about

> > the error in birth time; which is a very general plea taken to hide

the

> > failures in astrology)

> > >

> > > Let us some of use adept in original KP system use the KP Ayanamsa

as

> > well as Placidus Sytem of House.

> > >

> > > Let us start giving mundane prediction about India and its people

and

> > places on trial basis for every month - just as experiement to test.

> > >

> > > On first week of every month - from this month onward Myself or

other

> > members of the group whoever like will submit their readings on

Indian

> > Independence Chart simply on the basis of equal house system, taking

> > cusp of the house as midpoint of the houses using rasi-navamsa, star

and

> > sub and usual traditional planetary aspects as per Sripati Paddhati,

and

> > the Vimshottari as well as Ashottari Dasa wherever applicable.

> > >

---

> > >

> > > Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other follower of the original KP

system

> > come forward and spare some time to give his monthly readings on the

> > Indian Indpendence chart using his original KP System.

> > >

----

> > >

> > > Since the //test of pudding lies in its effectivness//

> > >

> > > Let us not make any analysis / criticism of the (A) Placidus

System of

> > Houses/ Equal House System of Houses or (B) using cusp of the house

as

> > the beginning/middle of a house- as per Western System.

> > >

----

> > > Let us do this experimentation for 12 months and see the best of

the

> > two systems.

> > >

> > > Note: Please donot confine this as an event between Dear Bhashkar

Jee

> > and Myself. All astrologers using the original KP/ non-KP may

> > comeforward with an open mind and make their positive contributions

> > without making any personal criticism or harsh words in their

writings.

> > Let us do some experimentation in a cool and focussed manner.

> > >

> > > With regards and best wishes to all,

> > >

> > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> > >

> >

>

July 23, 2009

Dear Bhaskar Jee,

Thank for your noble words.

I agree I had not so far seen or find

any excuses from you..

nor any short of quick- fix or blanket readings.

This honest has made for the reputation of your jyotish group as well as your

self.

Hope God showers his/her blessing of longlife and

wisdom upon you for the benefit of all of us.

Regards,

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Mritunjay ji,

>

> I have never done two things in astrology and neither wish to do them.

> First is that I never shy of any challenge, or request or call for

> explanations. The next is I do not use an excuse of inaccurate Birth

> timings as a shield to defend anything. In my last 3 years stay on these

> Jyotish groups, you will never find an single instance of above with

> relations to me.

>

> I genuinely dont know " Mundane astrology " and have never predicted and

> dont know how to predict. I am also not interested in the same presently

> for wish to spend spare time if any, in learning a lot more things in

> Natal Astrology before expanding to Mundane.

>

> For me the reasons apart from above are plenty , for not yet indulging

> in Mundane, which I will relate some other day.

>

> As regards to being cool, I only get enraged when some direct attempt or

> attack is made at me or some guru of any system, from a Novice person,

> which you are not. If you believe me, I have always considered you much

> above the present lot of contributors in most of the Groups including JG

> and JR. I know that you spend some time on charts, work honestly,

> sincerely and little pain stakingly and do not try to fool. (One of my

> thoughts on seeing you reply to Members has been - Yeh aadmi asli Pundit

> hai, Padha likha aur baaki Panditon se accha hai, (Pundit because You

> are a Tripathi))

>

> Astrology is a vast science and none of us can claim to be

> perefctionists. There will always be some areas where you will be better

> than me, I will be better than You, and they will be better than us.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

, " Mrutyunjay Tripathy "

> <astrologer_mrutyunjay@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Jee,

> >

> > A tons of thanx for your coolness.

> >

> > Interestingly I have a lot of other very good astrologer friends

> following original KP as well as the cuspal intelinks principles- who

> are otherwise excellent in their natal/ prashna readings of horoscope.

> >

> > Interestingly all of them shy away from making Mundane Astrological

> Readings for Indian Independence chart using KP system. Whatever may be

> the reason but it is sure there would be no excuses left for probable

> inaccuracy of birth time in Mundane Astrology !

> >

> > Hope someday some KP system follower or the KP Astrological Magazine

> will have the time and courage to do predictions on Indian Independence

> Chart using the KP system !

> >

> > If any member have any good articles/ write ups/ books containing

> astrological readings of Indian Independence Chart using KP

> System...please be noble enough to share the information in the group

> for the sake of promotion of astrological wisdom.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> >

> > Note : In the last post I am just suggesting a mode for experimention

> for experiment oriented astrologers/ members those who have time and

> inclination to do.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mritunjay ji,

> > > // The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage

> > > Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao

> > > (Meena). // This is what I have been saying since last 2 Years on

> > > these Forum. You are repeating the same thing. There is no ambuigity

> > > about it or any new discovery.

> > > // My points of disagreement are : // Your points of disagreements

> > > are not of any utility to me, because anyone is free to use whatever

> > > methods one finds is right. In this case Krishnamurthyji used what

> he

> > > found as right. I also find this as right. Why he choose to use

> these,

> > > can be asked to him and not asked to me because I dont waste time

> over

> > > experimenting again and again on whatever a stalwart has found as

> right

> > > and what works fine with me and scores of other KP Followers. I once

> > > again suggest you to read the KP Readers so that you get your

> answers

> > > instead of me looking back at those and mentinong the Page numbers

> or

> > > doing " Copy paste " .

> > > // just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and

> > > ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House. // The Placidus

> > > system is erroneous - is Your thinking and you can stay with it. No

> > > issues. But can you prove that it is erroneous. If You can prove

> this,

> > > then please write a article and publish it in the KP Magazine which

> is a

> > > monthly magazine and lets see whether it is accepted and what are

> the

> > > responses for the same. I am no way conected to your likes and

> dislikes

> > > and neither care to remove your doubts. If You wish to call " Idli "

> as

> > > " Medu Vada " then fine with me. // Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other

> > > follower of the original KP system come forward and spare some time

> to

> > > give his monthly readings on the Indian Indpendence chart using his

> > > original KP System.// I have very clearly mentioned on umpteen

> times,

> > > that I am not interested in Mundane predictions and have no

> knowledge in

> > > bifercating the results or making predictions for what you have

> > > suggested. Neither have I got spare time for all this. But why dont

> you

> > > do so with your knowledge of Shripathi and Equal House system ? We

> will

> > > certainly give you the due respect and acclaim for the right

> predictions

> > > made by You. I have nothing to prove to anybody. The food I cook in

> > > my kitchen is well accepted and eaten heartily by those who eat the

> > > same. I am also unbiased towards any system of prgnostication, be it

> > > Tarot, Crystal gazing, Dowsing, KP, Traditional, Sayana, Nirayana,

> Naadi

> > > astrology, Placidus, Equal House, Shripathi. For me all work and

> bear my

> > > respect for each. Thanks and regards, Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > , " Mrutyunjay

> Tripathy "

> > > <astrologer_mrutyunjay@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar Jee and other friends,

> > > >

> > > > The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage

> > > Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao

> > > (Meena).

> > > >

> > > > I have no disagreement over use of star or use of sub or even

> sub-sub.

> > > >

> > > > I have no disagreement of using the- Ruling Planets ( the main

> > > controlling planets of the prasna chart- having maximum Kala Bala as

> per

> > > traditional principle)

> > > >

> > > > My points of disagreement are :-

> > > >

> > > > (i)use of Placidus system of houses

> > > >

> > > > (ii)what was the need for Western Aspects when we already had

> Sripati

> > > Paddhati on aspects when we had a more compact and accurate system

> of

> > > measuring planetary aspects( refer Graha and Bhava Bala book by Dr

> BV

> > > Raman)

> > > >

> > > > (iii) takeing cusp of the house as the beginning point of the

> > > house...rather than mid-point or most effect point of the house.

> > > >

> > > > (iv) elimination of significators using Ruling Planets....My

> humble

> > > view that these redundant significators gets generated...

> > > >

> > > > Does not KP readers mention of elimination of significators on the

> > > basis of Ruling Planet Theory ?

> > > >

> > > > Why these extra significators.....and their elimination by RPs ?

> > > >

> > > > just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and

> > > ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House.

> > > >

> > > > I had already worked out all the examples given on the KP readers

> > > simply on the basis of the equal houses system and treating the cusp

> as

> > > >

> > > > the middle of the house- and using the

> > > >

> > > > traditional planetary aspects and karaktwa had got the

> > > >

> > > > same finanl results.

> > > >

> > > > A simple research/ experiment proposal:

> > > > ------

> > > >

> > > > Here is a simple proposal for testing the (A)Placidus System of

> Houses

> > > and (B)taking cusp of the house as beginning point of the house.

> > > >

> --

> > > > Let us use Indian Independence Chart ( where we can not debate

> about

> > > the error in birth time; which is a very general plea taken to hide

> the

> > > failures in astrology)

> > > >

> > > > Let us some of use adept in original KP system use the KP Ayanamsa

> as

> > > well as Placidus Sytem of House.

> > > >

> > > > Let us start giving mundane prediction about India and its people

> and

> > > places on trial basis for every month - just as experiement to test.

> > > >

> > > > On first week of every month - from this month onward Myself or

> other

> > > members of the group whoever like will submit their readings on

> Indian

> > > Independence Chart simply on the basis of equal house system, taking

> > > cusp of the house as midpoint of the houses using rasi-navamsa, star

> and

> > > sub and usual traditional planetary aspects as per Sripati Paddhati,

> and

> > > the Vimshottari as well as Ashottari Dasa wherever applicable.

> > > >

> ---

> > > >

> > > > Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other follower of the original KP

> system

> > > come forward and spare some time to give his monthly readings on the

> > > Indian Indpendence chart using his original KP System.

> > > >

> ----

> > > >

> > > > Since the //test of pudding lies in its effectivness//

> > > >

> > > > Let us not make any analysis / criticism of the (A) Placidus

> System of

> > > Houses/ Equal House System of Houses or (B) using cusp of the house

> as

> > > the beginning/middle of a house- as per Western System.

> > > >

> ----

> > > > Let us do this experimentation for 12 months and see the best of

> the

> > > two systems.

> > > >

> > > > Note: Please donot confine this as an event between Dear Bhashkar

> Jee

> > > and Myself. All astrologers using the original KP/ non-KP may

> > > comeforward with an open mind and make their positive contributions

> > > without making any personal criticism or harsh words in their

> writings.

> > > Let us do some experimentation in a cool and focussed manner.

> > > >

> > > > With regards and best wishes to all,

> > > >

> > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 27, 2009

Dear Bhaskara Ji,

Namaskar

Did Sage Satyacharya declare that Aswini is ruled by Kethu , Bharani by Venus etc ? If so , can you cite the relevant quotation ?

or are you simply relying on a casual statement of late Dr Raman, in one of his books ,that Satyacharya considered stellar position ?

DURGA.......

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Mritunjay ji,> // The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage> Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao> (Meena). // This is what I have been saying since last 2 Years on> these Forum. You are repeating the same thing. There is no ambuigity> about it or any new discovery.> // My points of disagreement are : // Your points of disagreements> are not of any utility to me, because anyone is free to use whatever> methods one finds is right. In this case Krishnamurthyji used what he> found as right. I also find this as right. Why he choose to use these,> can be asked to him and not asked to me because I dont waste time over> experimenting again and again on whatever a stalwart has found as right> and what works fine with me and scores of other KP Followers. I once> again suggest you to read the KP Readers so that you get your answers> instead of me looking back at those and mentinong the Page numbers or> doing "Copy paste".> // just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and> ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House. // The Placidus> system is erroneous - is Your thinking and you can stay with it. No> issues. But can you prove that it is erroneous. If You can prove this,> then please write a article and publish it in the KP Magazine which is a> monthly magazine and lets see whether it is accepted and what are the> responses for the same. I am no way conected to your likes and dislikes> and neither care to remove your doubts. If You wish to call "Idli" as> "Medu Vada" then fine with me. // Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other> follower of the original KP system come forward and spare some time to> give his monthly readings on the Indian Indpendence chart using his> original KP System.// I have very clearly mentioned on umpteen times,> that I am not interested in Mundane predictions and have no knowledge in> bifercating the results or making predictions for what you have> suggested. Neither have I got spare time for all this. But why dont you> do so with your knowledge of Shripathi and Equal House system ? We will> certainly give you the due respect and acclaim for the right predictions> made by You. I have nothing to prove to anybody. The food I cook in> my kitchen is well accepted and eaten heartily by those who eat the> same. I am also unbiased towards any system of prgnostication, be it> Tarot, Crystal gazing, Dowsing, KP, Traditional, Sayana, Nirayana, Naadi> astrology, Placidus, Equal House, Shripathi. For me all work and bear my> respect for each. Thanks and regards, Bhaskar.> > > > > > , "Mrutyunjay Tripathy"> astrologer_mrutyunjay@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskar Jee and other friends,> >> >> > The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage> Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao> (Meena).> >> > I have no disagreement over use of star or use of sub or even sub-sub.> >> > I have no disagreement of using the- Ruling Planets ( the main> controlling planets of the prasna chart- having maximum Kala Bala as per> traditional principle)> >> > My points of disagreement are :-> >> > (i)use of Placidus system of houses> >> > (ii)what was the need for Western Aspects when we already had Sripati> Paddhati on aspects when we had a more compact and accurate system of> measuring planetary aspects( refer Graha and Bhava Bala book by Dr BV> Raman)> >> > (iii) takeing cusp of the house as the beginning point of the> house...rather than mid-point or most effect point of the house.> >> > (iv) elimination of significators using Ruling Planets....My humble> view that these redundant significators gets generated...> >> > Does not KP readers mention of elimination of significators on the> basis of Ruling Planet Theory ?> >> >> > Why these extra significators.....and their elimination by RPs ?> >> > just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and> ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House.> >> > I had already worked out all the examples given on the KP readers> simply on the basis of the equal houses system and treating the cusp as> >> > the middle of the house- and using the> >> > traditional planetary aspects and karaktwa had got the> >> > same finanl results.> >> >> > A simple research/ experiment proposal:> > ------> >> > Here is a simple proposal for testing the (A)Placidus System of Houses> and (B)taking cusp of the house as beginning point of the house.> >> > --> > Let us use Indian Independence Chart ( where we can not debate about> the error in birth time; which is a very general plea taken to hide the> failures in astrology)> >> > Let us some of use adept in original KP system use the KP Ayanamsa as> well as Placidus Sytem of House.> >> >> > Let us start giving mundane prediction about India and its people and> places on trial basis for every month - just as experiement to test.> >> > On first week of every month - from this month onward Myself or other> members of the group whoever like will submit their readings on Indian> Independence Chart simply on the basis of equal house system, taking> cusp of the house as midpoint of the houses using rasi-navamsa, star and> sub and usual traditional planetary aspects as per Sripati Paddhati, and> the Vimshottari as well as Ashottari Dasa wherever applicable.> > ---> >> > Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other follower of the original KP system> come forward and spare some time to give his monthly readings on the> Indian Indpendence chart using his original KP System.> >> > ----> >> > Since the //test of pudding lies in its effectivness//> >> > Let us not make any analysis / criticism of the (A) Placidus System of> Houses/ Equal House System of Houses or (B) using cusp of the house as> the beginning/middle of a house- as per Western System.> >> > ----> > Let us do this experimentation for 12 months and see the best of the> two systems.> >> >> > Note: Please donot confine this as an event between Dear Bhashkar Jee> and Myself. All astrologers using the original KP/ non-KP may> comeforward with an open mind and make their positive contributions> without making any personal criticism or harsh words in their writings.> Let us do some experimentation in a cool and focussed manner.> >> > With regards and best wishes to all,> >> > Mrutyunjay Tripathy> >>

July 27, 2009

Dear Durga ji,

namaskaram.

I do not understand that after so many days of this message being

posted, you have chosen to ask me something which is irrelevant, but I

feel is done with a purpose to sight a chink in my armours.

1) Please introduce yourself.

2) Next, what are we going to gain with this excersise?

3) Do You understand Sanskrit shlokas ?

4) I do not. If You do, then you can find this easier than me.

5) If I spend some time on search for the relevant quotation and let you

know, then what will be proved ? Or disapproved ?

6) How is this going to help in general discussions of predictive

astrology?

7) And why cannot you read the full thread, who is speaking what, and

ask Shri Mrutunjayji about this, who seems to be more aware of such

origins, who has actually quoted this, while I have seconded the same.

8) How does it show and where, that I relied on a casual statement of

Late Dr.Raman ? Where did I cite Mr. Raman at all ? You have got me all

confused.

I feel you have been hasty in writing the mail.

You expect one to remember shlokas from every text (And there are many)

and cite them whenever one asks for them, and that too for Lordships of

the Stars. In this era ?

Please satisfy my queries first. And also come out clear with what are

you trying to come to conclude ?

regards/Bhaskar.

, " durga050 "

<durga050 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskara Ji,

>

> Namaskar

>

> Did Sage Satyacharya declare that Aswini is ruled by Kethu , Bharani

by

> Venus etc ? If so , can you cite the relevant quotation ?

>

> or are you simply relying on a casual statement of late Dr Raman, in

one

> of his books ,that Satyacharya considered stellar position ?

>

> DURGA.......

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mritunjay ji,

> > // The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage

> > Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao

> > (Meena). // This is what I have been saying since last 2 Years on

> > these Forum. You are repeating the same thing. There is no ambuigity

> > about it or any new discovery.

> > // My points of disagreement are : // Your points of disagreements

> > are not of any utility to me, because anyone is free to use whatever

> > methods one finds is right. In this case Krishnamurthyji used what

he

> > found as right. I also find this as right. Why he choose to use

these,

> > can be asked to him and not asked to me because I dont waste time

over

> > experimenting again and again on whatever a stalwart has found as

> right

> > and what works fine with me and scores of other KP Followers. I once

> > again suggest you to read the KP Readers so that you get your

answers

> > instead of me looking back at those and mentinong the Page numbers

or

> > doing " Copy paste " .

> > // just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and

> > ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House. // The Placidus

> > system is erroneous - is Your thinking and you can stay with it. No

> > issues. But can you prove that it is erroneous. If You can prove

this,

> > then please write a article and publish it in the KP Magazine which

is

> a

> > monthly magazine and lets see whether it is accepted and what are

the

> > responses for the same. I am no way conected to your likes and

> dislikes

> > and neither care to remove your doubts. If You wish to call " Idli "

as

> > " Medu Vada " then fine with me. // Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other

> > follower of the original KP system come forward and spare some time

to

> > give his monthly readings on the Indian Indpendence chart using his

> > original KP System.// I have very clearly mentioned on umpteen

times,

> > that I am not interested in Mundane predictions and have no

knowledge

> in

> > bifercating the results or making predictions for what you have

> > suggested. Neither have I got spare time for all this. But why dont

> you

> > do so with your knowledge of Shripathi and Equal House system ? We

> will

> > certainly give you the due respect and acclaim for the right

> predictions

> > made by You. I have nothing to prove to anybody. The food I cook in

> > my kitchen is well accepted and eaten heartily by those who eat the

> > same. I am also unbiased towards any system of prgnostication, be it

> > Tarot, Crystal gazing, Dowsing, KP, Traditional, Sayana, Nirayana,

> Naadi

> > astrology, Placidus, Equal House, Shripathi. For me all work and

bear

> my

> > respect for each. Thanks and regards, Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Mrutyunjay

Tripathy "

> > astrologer_mrutyunjay@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskar Jee and other friends,

> > >

> > > The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage

> > Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao

> > (Meena).

> > >

> > > I have no disagreement over use of star or use of sub or even

> sub-sub.

> > >

> > > I have no disagreement of using the- Ruling Planets ( the main

> > controlling planets of the prasna chart- having maximum Kala Bala as

> per

> > traditional principle)

> > >

> > > My points of disagreement are :-

> > >

> > > (i)use of Placidus system of houses

> > >

> > > (ii)what was the need for Western Aspects when we already had

> Sripati

> > Paddhati on aspects when we had a more compact and accurate system

of

> > measuring planetary aspects( refer Graha and Bhava Bala book by Dr

BV

> > Raman)

> > >

> > > (iii) takeing cusp of the house as the beginning point of the

> > house...rather than mid-point or most effect point of the house.

> > >

> > > (iv) elimination of significators using Ruling Planets....My

humble

> > view that these redundant significators gets generated...

> > >

> > > Does not KP readers mention of elimination of significators on the

> > basis of Ruling Planet Theory ?

> > >

> > > Why these extra significators.....and their elimination by RPs ?

> > >

> > > just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and

> > ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House.

> > >

> > > I had already worked out all the examples given on the KP readers

> > simply on the basis of the equal houses system and treating the cusp

> as

> > >

> > > the middle of the house- and using the

> > >

> > > traditional planetary aspects and karaktwa had got the

> > >

> > > same finanl results.

> > >

> > > A simple research/ experiment proposal:

> > > ------

> > >

> > > Here is a simple proposal for testing the (A)Placidus System of

> Houses

> > and (B)taking cusp of the house as beginning point of the house.

> > >

--

> > > Let us use Indian Independence Chart ( where we can not debate

about

> > the error in birth time; which is a very general plea taken to hide

> the

> > failures in astrology)

> > >

> > > Let us some of use adept in original KP system use the KP Ayanamsa

> as

> > well as Placidus Sytem of House.

> > >

> > > Let us start giving mundane prediction about India and its people

> and

> > places on trial basis for every month - just as experiement to test.

> > >

> > > On first week of every month - from this month onward Myself or

> other

> > members of the group whoever like will submit their readings on

Indian

> > Independence Chart simply on the basis of equal house system, taking

> > cusp of the house as midpoint of the houses using rasi-navamsa, star

> and

> > sub and usual traditional planetary aspects as per Sripati Paddhati,

> and

> > the Vimshottari as well as Ashottari Dasa wherever applicable.

> > >

> ---

> > >

> > > Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other follower of the original KP

system

> > come forward and spare some time to give his monthly readings on the

> > Indian Indpendence chart using his original KP System.

> > >

> ----

> > >

> > > Since the //test of pudding lies in its effectivness//

> > >

> > > Let us not make any analysis / criticism of the (A) Placidus

System

> of

> > Houses/ Equal House System of Houses or (B) using cusp of the house

as

> > the beginning/middle of a house- as per Western System.

> > >

> ----

> > > Let us do this experimentation for 12 months and see the best of

the

> > two systems.

> > >

> > > Note: Please donot confine this as an event between Dear Bhashkar

> Jee

> > and Myself. All astrologers using the original KP/ non-KP may

> > comeforward with an open mind and make their positive contributions

> > without making any personal criticism or harsh words in their

> writings.

> > Let us do some experimentation in a cool and focussed manner.

> > >

> > > With regards and best wishes to all,

> > >

> > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> > >

> >

>

July 27, 2009

dear respected Bhaskar ji Durga ji is a Old memebr and has done astro lessons frm some real swamies who were real masters in that field .so she /he dont need any introductions ,as i can vouch that it is not a fake id rest of sashtartha u pls continue with her /him rgrds sunil nair , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Durga ji,> > namaskaram.> > I do not understand that after so many days of this message being> posted, you have chosen to ask me something which is irrelevant, but I> feel is done with a purpose to sight a chink in my armours.> > 1) Please introduce yourself.> > 2) Next, what are we going to gain with this excersise?> > 3) Do You understand Sanskrit shlokas ?> > 4) I do not. If You do, then you can find this easier than me.> > 5) If I spend some time on search for the relevant quotation and let you> know, then what will be proved ? Or disapproved ?> > 6) How is this going to help in general discussions of predictive> astrology?> > 7) And why cannot you read the full thread, who is speaking what, and> ask Shri Mrutunjayji about this, who seems to be more aware of such> origins, who has actually quoted this, while I have seconded the same.> > 8) How does it show and where, that I relied on a casual statement of> Late Dr.Raman ? Where did I cite Mr. Raman at all ? You have got me all> confused.> > I feel you have been hasty in writing the mail.> > You expect one to remember shlokas from every text (And there are many)> and cite them whenever one asks for them, and that too for Lordships of> the Stars. In this era ?> > Please satisfy my queries first. And also come out clear with what are> you trying to come to conclude ?> > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > , "durga050"> durga050@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Bhaskara Ji,> >> > Namaskar> >> > Did Sage Satyacharya declare that Aswini is ruled by Kethu , Bharani> by> > Venus etc ? If so , can you cite the relevant quotation ?> >> > or are you simply relying on a casual statement of late Dr Raman, in> one> > of his books ,that Satyacharya considered stellar position ?> >> >> >> > DURGA.......> >> >> >> >> > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Mritunjay ji,> > > // The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage> > > Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao> > > (Meena). // This is what I have been saying since last 2 Years on> > > these Forum. You are repeating the same thing. There is no ambuigity> > > about it or any new discovery.> > > // My points of disagreement are : // Your points of disagreements> > > are not of any utility to me, because anyone is free to use whatever> > > methods one finds is right. In this case Krishnamurthyji used what> he> > > found as right. I also find this as right. Why he choose to use> these,> > > can be asked to him and not asked to me because I dont waste time> over> > > experimenting again and again on whatever a stalwart has found as> > right> > > and what works fine with me and scores of other KP Followers. I once> > > again suggest you to read the KP Readers so that you get your> answers> > > instead of me looking back at those and mentinong the Page numbers> or> > > doing "Copy paste".> > > // just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and> > > ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House. // The Placidus> > > system is erroneous - is Your thinking and you can stay with it. No> > > issues. But can you prove that it is erroneous. If You can prove> this,> > > then please write a article and publish it in the KP Magazine which> is> > a> > > monthly magazine and lets see whether it is accepted and what are> the> > > responses for the same. I am no way conected to your likes and> > dislikes> > > and neither care to remove your doubts. If You wish to call "Idli"> as> > > "Medu Vada" then fine with me. // Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other> > > follower of the original KP system come forward and spare some time> to> > > give his monthly readings on the Indian Indpendence chart using his> > > original KP System.// I have very clearly mentioned on umpteen> times,> > > that I am not interested in Mundane predictions and have no> knowledge> > in> > > bifercating the results or making predictions for what you have> > > suggested. Neither have I got spare time for all this. But why dont> > you> > > do so with your knowledge of Shripathi and Equal House system ? We> > will> > > certainly give you the due respect and acclaim for the right> > predictions> > > made by You. I have nothing to prove to anybody. The food I cook in> > > my kitchen is well accepted and eaten heartily by those who eat the> > > same. I am also unbiased towards any system of prgnostication, be it> > > Tarot, Crystal gazing, Dowsing, KP, Traditional, Sayana, Nirayana,> > Naadi> > > astrology, Placidus, Equal House, Shripathi. For me all work and> bear> > my> > > respect for each. Thanks and regards, Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Mrutyunjay> Tripathy"> > > astrologer_mrutyunjay@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar Jee and other friends,> > > >> > > >> > > > The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage> > > Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao> > > (Meena).> > > >> > > > I have no disagreement over use of star or use of sub or even> > sub-sub.> > > >> > > > I have no disagreement of using the- Ruling Planets ( the main> > > controlling planets of the prasna chart- having maximum Kala Bala as> > per> > > traditional principle)> > > >> > > > My points of disagreement are :-> > > >> > > > (i)use of Placidus system of houses> > > >> > > > (ii)what was the need for Western Aspects when we already had> > Sripati> > > Paddhati on aspects when we had a more compact and accurate system> of> > > measuring planetary aspects( refer Graha and Bhava Bala book by Dr> BV> > > Raman)> > > >> > > > (iii) takeing cusp of the house as the beginning point of the> > > house...rather than mid-point or most effect point of the house.> > > >> > > > (iv) elimination of significators using Ruling Planets....My> humble> > > view that these redundant significators gets generated...> > > >> > > > Does not KP readers mention of elimination of significators on the> > > basis of Ruling Planet Theory ?> > > >> > > >> > > > Why these extra significators.....and their elimination by RPs ?> > > >> > > > just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and> > > ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House.> > > >> > > > I had already worked out all the examples given on the KP readers> > > simply on the basis of the equal houses system and treating the cusp> > as> > > >> > > > the middle of the house- and using the> > > >> > > > traditional planetary aspects and karaktwa had got the> > > >> > > > same finanl results.> > > >> > > >> > > > A simple research/ experiment proposal:> > > > ------> > > >> > > > Here is a simple proposal for testing the (A)Placidus System of> > Houses> > > and (B)taking cusp of the house as beginning point of the house.> > > >> > > >> --> > > > Let us use Indian Independence Chart ( where we can not debate> about> > > the error in birth time; which is a very general plea taken to hide> > the> > > failures in astrology)> > > >> > > > Let us some of use adept in original KP system use the KP Ayanamsa> > as> > > well as Placidus Sytem of House.> > > >> > > >> > > > Let us start giving mundane prediction about India and its people> > and> > > places on trial basis for every month - just as experiement to test.> > > >> > > > On first week of every month - from this month onward Myself or> > other> > > members of the group whoever like will submit their readings on> Indian> > > Independence Chart simply on the basis of equal house system, taking> > > cusp of the house as midpoint of the houses using rasi-navamsa, star> > and> > > sub and usual traditional planetary aspects as per Sripati Paddhati,> > and> > > the Vimshottari as well as Ashottari Dasa wherever applicable.> > > >> > ---> > > >> > > > Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other follower of the original KP> system> > > come forward and spare some time to give his monthly readings on the> > > Indian Indpendence chart using his original KP System.> > > >> > > >> > ----> > > >> > > > Since the //test of pudding lies in its effectivness//> > > >> > > > Let us not make any analysis / criticism of the (A) Placidus> System> > of> > > Houses/ Equal House System of Houses or (B) using cusp of the house> as> > > the beginning/middle of a house- as per Western System.> > > >> > > >> > ----> > > > Let us do this experimentation for 12 months and see the best of> the> > > two systems.> > > >> > > >> > > > Note: Please donot confine this as an event between Dear Bhashkar> > Jee> > > and Myself. All astrologers using the original KP/ non-KP may> > > comeforward with an open mind and make their positive contributions> > > without making any personal criticism or harsh words in their> > writings.> > > Let us do some experimentation in a cool and focussed manner.> > > >> > > > With regards and best wishes to all,> > > >> > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy> > > >> > >> >>

July 27, 2009

Dear Shri Sunil Nair ji,

Okay. In that case he does not need any explanations from me. He must be

knowing about Udu dasa which calculation if he looks for in Satya

Jatakam(Adhyaya 4) he will find the mention of stars.

In any case I am not a old Pundit who prides in knowledge of the

whereabouts of what is mentioned where. I know people who know what

Chapter of SrimadBhagavatam has what incident -Leela played by the Lord,

but these same people I do not find them living on the principles

extolled by the Lord Krishna.

I believe much in application part of astrology, and not bother to spend

time on who has said what and where.

Satya jatakam authored by Sage Satyacharya is based on Dhruva Nadi. This

traetise deals with Panchasiddhanta - Bhavaphala, Grahakarakatva,and

Dashaphala.

The nakshatra or Star automatically comes into picture, because in one

of the illustrations taken by Satyacharya the Lagna is Vargottama, which

implies Navamsha Lagna is taken into consideration. When we talk of

Navamsha then the division of 3.20degrees comes in picture,a nd when we

talk of this division then the Star and StarLord comes in picture.

Now what beats me is naming the Star Lords as they have been named, and

why - This is the query put up by Shri Durgaji. This stumps me. Why

should I bother whey a Mango is called by that name or why an apple is

called by that name, or why The Heavens is owned by the God. I do not

have a exhaustive copy of the SatyaJatakam , but in Chapter 2 one should

find the Nakshatra Siddhantam.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> dear respected Bhaskar ji

>

> Durga ji is a Old memebr and has done astro lessons frm some real

> swamies who were real masters in that field .

>

> so she /he dont need any introductions ,as i can vouch that it is not

a

> fake id

>

> rest of sashtartha u pls continue with her /him

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Durga ji,

> >

> > namaskaram.

> >

> > I do not understand that after so many days of this message being

> > posted, you have chosen to ask me something which is irrelevant, but

I

> > feel is done with a purpose to sight a chink in my armours.

> >

> > 1) Please introduce yourself.

> >

> > 2) Next, what are we going to gain with this excersise?

> >

> > 3) Do You understand Sanskrit shlokas ?

> >

> > 4) I do not. If You do, then you can find this easier than me.

> >

> > 5) If I spend some time on search for the relevant quotation and let

> you

> > know, then what will be proved ? Or disapproved ?

> >

> > 6) How is this going to help in general discussions of predictive

> > astrology?

> >

> > 7) And why cannot you read the full thread, who is speaking what,

and

> > ask Shri Mrutunjayji about this, who seems to be more aware of such

> > origins, who has actually quoted this, while I have seconded the

same.

> >

> > 8) How does it show and where, that I relied on a casual statement

of

> > Late Dr.Raman ? Where did I cite Mr. Raman at all ? You have got me

> all

> > confused.

> >

> > I feel you have been hasty in writing the mail.

> >

> > You expect one to remember shlokas from every text (And there are

> many)

> > and cite them whenever one asks for them, and that too for Lordships

> of

> > the Stars. In this era ?

> >

> > Please satisfy my queries first. And also come out clear with what

are

> > you trying to come to conclude ?

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " durga050 "

> > durga050@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskara Ji,

> > >

> > > Namaskar

> > >

> > > Did Sage Satyacharya declare that Aswini is ruled by Kethu ,

Bharani

> > by

> > > Venus etc ? If so , can you cite the relevant quotation ?

> > >

> > > or are you simply relying on a casual statement of late Dr Raman,

in

> > one

> > > of his books ,that Satyacharya considered stellar position ?

> > >

> > > DURGA.......

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mritunjay ji,

> > > > // The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage

> > > > Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG

Rao

> > > > (Meena). // This is what I have been saying since last 2 Years

on

> > > > these Forum. You are repeating the same thing. There is no

> ambuigity

> > > > about it or any new discovery.

> > > > // My points of disagreement are : // Your points of

disagreements

> > > > are not of any utility to me, because anyone is free to use

> whatever

> > > > methods one finds is right. In this case Krishnamurthyji used

what

> > he

> > > > found as right. I also find this as right. Why he choose to use

> > these,

> > > > can be asked to him and not asked to me because I dont waste

time

> > over

> > > > experimenting again and again on whatever a stalwart has found

as

> > > right

> > > > and what works fine with me and scores of other KP Followers. I

> once

> > > > again suggest you to read the KP Readers so that you get your

> > answers

> > > > instead of me looking back at those and mentinong the Page

numbers

> > or

> > > > doing " Copy paste " .

> > > > // just because of the erronous - Placidus System of

Houses...and

> > > > ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House. // The

Placidus

> > > > system is erroneous - is Your thinking and you can stay with it.

> No

> > > > issues. But can you prove that it is erroneous. If You can prove

> > this,

> > > > then please write a article and publish it in the KP Magazine

> which

> > is

> > > a

> > > > monthly magazine and lets see whether it is accepted and what

are

> > the

> > > > responses for the same. I am no way conected to your likes and

> > > dislikes

> > > > and neither care to remove your doubts. If You wish to call

" Idli "

> > as

> > > > " Medu Vada " then fine with me. // Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any

> other

> > > > follower of the original KP system come forward and spare some

> time

> > to

> > > > give his monthly readings on the Indian Indpendence chart using

> his

> > > > original KP System.// I have very clearly mentioned on umpteen

> > times,

> > > > that I am not interested in Mundane predictions and have no

> > knowledge

> > > in

> > > > bifercating the results or making predictions for what you have

> > > > suggested. Neither have I got spare time for all this. But why

> dont

> > > you

> > > > do so with your knowledge of Shripathi and Equal House system ?

We

> > > will

> > > > certainly give you the due respect and acclaim for the right

> > > predictions

> > > > made by You. I have nothing to prove to anybody. The food I cook

> in

> > > > my kitchen is well accepted and eaten heartily by those who eat

> the

> > > > same. I am also unbiased towards any system of prgnostication,

be

> it

> > > > Tarot, Crystal gazing, Dowsing, KP, Traditional, Sayana,

Nirayana,

> > > Naadi

> > > > astrology, Placidus, Equal House, Shripathi. For me all work and

> > bear

> > > my

> > > > respect for each. Thanks and regards, Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " Mrutyunjay

> > Tripathy "

> > > > astrologer_mrutyunjay@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar Jee and other friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage

> > > > Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG

Rao

> > > > (Meena).

> > > > >

> > > > > I have no disagreement over use of star or use of sub or even

> > > sub-sub.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have no disagreement of using the- Ruling Planets ( the main

> > > > controlling planets of the prasna chart- having maximum Kala

Bala

> as

> > > per

> > > > traditional principle)

> > > > >

> > > > > My points of disagreement are :-

> > > > >

> > > > > (i)use of Placidus system of houses

> > > > >

> > > > > (ii)what was the need for Western Aspects when we already had

> > > Sripati

> > > > Paddhati on aspects when we had a more compact and accurate

system

> > of

> > > > measuring planetary aspects( refer Graha and Bhava Bala book by

Dr

> > BV

> > > > Raman)

> > > > >

> > > > > (iii) takeing cusp of the house as the beginning point of the

> > > > house...rather than mid-point or most effect point of the house.

> > > > >

> > > > > (iv) elimination of significators using Ruling Planets....My

> > humble

> > > > view that these redundant significators gets generated...

> > > > >

> > > > > Does not KP readers mention of elimination of significators on

> the

> > > > basis of Ruling Planet Theory ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Why these extra significators.....and their elimination by RPs

?

> > > > >

> > > > > just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and

> > > > ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House.

> > > > >

> > > > > I had already worked out all the examples given on the KP

> readers

> > > > simply on the basis of the equal houses system and treating the

> cusp

> > > as

> > > > >

> > > > > the middle of the house- and using the

> > > > >

> > > > > traditional planetary aspects and karaktwa had got the

> > > > >

> > > > > same finanl results.

> > > > >

> > > > > A simple research/ experiment proposal:

> > > > > ------

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is a simple proposal for testing the (A)Placidus System

of

> > > Houses

> > > > and (B)taking cusp of the house as beginning point of the house.

> > > > >

> > --

> > > > > Let us use Indian Independence Chart ( where we can not debate

> > about

> > > > the error in birth time; which is a very general plea taken to

> hide

> > > the

> > > > failures in astrology)

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us some of use adept in original KP system use the KP

> Ayanamsa

> > > as

> > > > well as Placidus Sytem of House.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us start giving mundane prediction about India and its

> people

> > > and

> > > > places on trial basis for every month - just as experiement to

> test.

> > > > >

> > > > > On first week of every month - from this month onward Myself

or

> > > other

> > > > members of the group whoever like will submit their readings on

> > Indian

> > > > Independence Chart simply on the basis of equal house system,

> taking

> > > > cusp of the house as midpoint of the houses using rasi-navamsa,

> star

> > > and

> > > > sub and usual traditional planetary aspects as per Sripati

> Paddhati,

> > > and

> > > > the Vimshottari as well as Ashottari Dasa wherever applicable.

> > > > >

> > >

> ---

> > > > >

> > > > > Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other follower of the original KP

> > system

> > > > come forward and spare some time to give his monthly readings on

> the

> > > > Indian Indpendence chart using his original KP System.

> > > > >

> > >

> ----

> > > > >

> > > > > Since the //test of pudding lies in its effectivness//

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us not make any analysis / criticism of the (A) Placidus

> > System

> > > of

> > > > Houses/ Equal House System of Houses or (B) using cusp of the

> house

> > as

> > > > the beginning/middle of a house- as per Western System.

> > > > >

> > >

> ----

> > > > > Let us do this experimentation for 12 months and see the best

of

> > the

> > > > two systems.

> > > > >

> > > > > Note: Please donot confine this as an event between Dear

> Bhashkar

> > > Jee

> > > > and Myself. All astrologers using the original KP/ non-KP may

> > > > comeforward with an open mind and make their positive

> contributions

> > > > without making any personal criticism or harsh words in their

> > > writings.

> > > > Let us do some experimentation in a cool and focussed manner.

> > > > >

> > > > > With regards and best wishes to all,

> > > > >

> > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 10, 2009

Bhaskarji,

Namaskar

Durga is "SHE" and not he

Not to anotogonise you , I wrote the mail.

Works like "Rudrayamalam" has something else to say about stellarlordship(misconceived ?) than what we are told about. I thought of initiating a serious discussion , hence wrote the mail . Not anymore

Forget it .

Please don't reply

DURGA..............

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Durga ji,> > namaskaram.> > I do not understand that after so many days of this message being> posted, you have chosen to ask me something which is irrelevant, but I> feel is done with a purpose to sight a chink in my armours.> > 1) Please introduce yourself.> > 2) Next, what are we going to gain with this excersise?> > 3) Do You understand Sanskrit shlokas ?> > 4) I do not. If You do, then you can find this easier than me.> > 5) If I spend some time on search for the relevant quotation and let you> know, then what will be proved ? Or disapproved ?> > 6) How is this going to help in general discussions of predictive> astrology?> > 7) And why cannot you read the full thread, who is speaking what, and> ask Shri Mrutunjayji about this, who seems to be more aware of such> origins, who has actually quoted this, while I have seconded the same.> > 8) How does it show and where, that I relied on a casual statement of> Late Dr.Raman ? Where did I cite Mr. Raman at all ? You have got me all> confused.> > I feel you have been hasty in writing the mail.> > You expect one to remember shlokas from every text (And there are many)> and cite them whenever one asks for them, and that too for Lordships of> the Stars. In this era ?> > Please satisfy my queries first. And also come out clear with what are> you trying to come to conclude ?> > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > , "durga050"> durga050@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Bhaskara Ji,> >> > Namaskar> >> > Did Sage Satyacharya declare that Aswini is ruled by Kethu , Bharani> by> > Venus etc ? If so , can you cite the relevant quotation ?> >> > or are you simply relying on a casual statement of late Dr Raman, in> one> > of his books ,that Satyacharya considered stellar position ?> >> >> >> > DURGA.......> >> >> >> >> > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Mritunjay ji,> > > // The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage> > > Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao> > > (Meena). // This is what I have been saying since last 2 Years on> > > these Forum. You are repeating the same thing. There is no ambuigity> > > about it or any new discovery.> > > // My points of disagreement are : // Your points of disagreements> > > are not of any utility to me, because anyone is free to use whatever> > > methods one finds is right. In this case Krishnamurthyji used what> he> > > found as right. I also find this as right. Why he choose to use> these,> > > can be asked to him and not asked to me because I dont waste time> over> > > experimenting again and again on whatever a stalwart has found as> > right> > > and what works fine with me and scores of other KP Followers. I once> > > again suggest you to read the KP Readers so that you get your> answers> > > instead of me looking back at those and mentinong the Page numbers> or> > > doing "Copy paste".> > > // just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and> > > ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House. // The Placidus> > > system is erroneous - is Your thinking and you can stay with it. No> > > issues. But can you prove that it is erroneous. If You can prove> this,> > > then please write a article and publish it in the KP Magazine which> is> > a> > > monthly magazine and lets see whether it is accepted and what are> the> > > responses for the same. I am no way conected to your likes and> > dislikes> > > and neither care to remove your doubts. If You wish to call "Idli"> as> > > "Medu Vada" then fine with me. // Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other> > > follower of the original KP system come forward and spare some time> to> > > give his monthly readings on the Indian Indpendence chart using his> > > original KP System.// I have very clearly mentioned on umpteen> times,> > > that I am not interested in Mundane predictions and have no> knowledge> > in> > > bifercating the results or making predictions for what you have> > > suggested. Neither have I got spare time for all this. But why dont> > you> > > do so with your knowledge of Shripathi and Equal House system ? We> > will> > > certainly give you the due respect and acclaim for the right> > predictions> > > made by You. I have nothing to prove to anybody. The food I cook in> > > my kitchen is well accepted and eaten heartily by those who eat the> > > same. I am also unbiased towards any system of prgnostication, be it> > > Tarot, Crystal gazing, Dowsing, KP, Traditional, Sayana, Nirayana,> > Naadi> > > astrology, Placidus, Equal House, Shripathi. For me all work and> bear> > my> > > respect for each. Thanks and regards, Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Mrutyunjay> Tripathy"> > > astrologer_mrutyunjay@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhaskar Jee and other friends,> > > >> > > >> > > > The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage> > > Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG Rao> > > (Meena).> > > >> > > > I have no disagreement over use of star or use of sub or even> > sub-sub.> > > >> > > > I have no disagreement of using the- Ruling Planets ( the main> > > controlling planets of the prasna chart- having maximum Kala Bala as> > per> > > traditional principle)> > > >> > > > My points of disagreement are :-> > > >> > > > (i)use of Placidus system of houses> > > >> > > > (ii)what was the need for Western Aspects when we already had> > Sripati> > > Paddhati on aspects when we had a more compact and accurate system> of> > > measuring planetary aspects( refer Graha and Bhava Bala book by Dr> BV> > > Raman)> > > >> > > > (iii) takeing cusp of the house as the beginning point of the> > > house...rather than mid-point or most effect point of the house.> > > >> > > > (iv) elimination of significators using Ruling Planets....My> humble> > > view that these redundant significators gets generated...> > > >> > > > Does not KP readers mention of elimination of significators on the> > > basis of Ruling Planet Theory ?> > > >> > > >> > > > Why these extra significators.....and their elimination by RPs ?> > > >> > > > just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and> > > ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House.> > > >> > > > I had already worked out all the examples given on the KP readers> > > simply on the basis of the equal houses system and treating the cusp> > as> > > >> > > > the middle of the house- and using the> > > >> > > > traditional planetary aspects and karaktwa had got the> > > >> > > > same finanl results.> > > >> > > >> > > > A simple research/ experiment proposal:> > > > ------> > > >> > > > Here is a simple proposal for testing the (A)Placidus System of> > Houses> > > and (B)taking cusp of the house as beginning point of the house.> > > >> > > >> --> > > > Let us use Indian Independence Chart ( where we can not debate> about> > > the error in birth time; which is a very general plea taken to hide> > the> > > failures in astrology)> > > >> > > > Let us some of use adept in original KP system use the KP Ayanamsa> > as> > > well as Placidus Sytem of House.> > > >> > > >> > > > Let us start giving mundane prediction about India and its people> > and> > > places on trial basis for every month - just as experiement to test.> > > >> > > > On first week of every month - from this month onward Myself or> > other> > > members of the group whoever like will submit their readings on> Indian> > > Independence Chart simply on the basis of equal house system, taking> > > cusp of the house as midpoint of the houses using rasi-navamsa, star> > and> > > sub and usual traditional planetary aspects as per Sripati Paddhati,> > and> > > the Vimshottari as well as Ashottari Dasa wherever applicable.> > > >> > ---> > > >> > > > Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other follower of the original KP> system> > > come forward and spare some time to give his monthly readings on the> > > Indian Indpendence chart using his original KP System.> > > >> > > >> > ----> > > >> > > > Since the //test of pudding lies in its effectivness//> > > >> > > > Let us not make any analysis / criticism of the (A) Placidus> System> > of> > > Houses/ Equal House System of Houses or (B) using cusp of the house> as> > > the beginning/middle of a house- as per Western System.> > > >> > > >> > ----> > > > Let us do this experimentation for 12 months and see the best of> the> > > two systems.> > > >> > > >> > > > Note: Please donot confine this as an event between Dear Bhashkar> > Jee> > > and Myself. All astrologers using the original KP/ non-KP may> > > comeforward with an open mind and make their positive contributions> > > without making any personal criticism or harsh words in their> > writings.> > > Let us do some experimentation in a cool and focussed manner.> > > >> > > > With regards and best wishes to all,> > > >> > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy> > > >> > >> >>

August 10, 2009

Durga ji,

Namaskaar to you too.

You come after long gaps, always and have to excersise my mind to

understand what you are writing about.

I read a story at age of 18 (30 years ago) which I have not forgotten

and do not wish to, coz thats practical. Whenever I used to visit

Calcutta I enjoyed going to college street and buying books from there.

I purchased a Ramayana written by Shri Morari Bapu in those younger days

of his. (Now you can see him on TV). The story goes something like this

-

When you want to buy sing dana chana for Rs.2- just go, buy and eat it

and quench your hunger. How does it matter to you how the Kheti is done,

or after how many months the fasal is cut, or what Khad has to be put in

the field. If You try to find this out for everything then you will

loose your gaols in Life and waste this short Life gaining nothing " .

This works in all departments of Life.

Same goes with Astrology. I dont care for the origins, who write what,

neither much interested, neither in the history of astrology and neither

in once again trying to create rules or experiment those which my

seniors have already found as working.

For me a serious discussion means - Discussion on predictive astrology -

and not on the whereabouts of persons or subjects or topics or their

origins.

Hope you got it.

And thanks for sparing me - of this discussion.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " durga050 "

<durga050 wrote:

>

> Bhaskarji,

>

> Namaskar

>

> Durga is " SHE " and not he

>

> Not to anotogonise you , I wrote the mail.

>

> Works like " Rudrayamalam " has something else to say about

> stellarlordship(misconceived ?) than what we are told about. I thought

> of initiating a serious discussion , hence wrote the mail . Not

anymore

>

> Forget it .

>

> Please don't reply

>

> DURGA..............

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Durga ji,

> >

> > namaskaram.

> >

> > I do not understand that after so many days of this message being

> > posted, you have chosen to ask me something which is irrelevant, but

I

> > feel is done with a purpose to sight a chink in my armours.

> >

> > 1) Please introduce yourself.

> >

> > 2) Next, what are we going to gain with this excersise?

> >

> > 3) Do You understand Sanskrit shlokas ?

> >

> > 4) I do not. If You do, then you can find this easier than me.

> >

> > 5) If I spend some time on search for the relevant quotation and let

> you

> > know, then what will be proved ? Or disapproved ?

> >

> > 6) How is this going to help in general discussions of predictive

> > astrology?

> >

> > 7) And why cannot you read the full thread, who is speaking what,

and

> > ask Shri Mrutunjayji about this, who seems to be more aware of such

> > origins, who has actually quoted this, while I have seconded the

same.

> >

> > 8) How does it show and where, that I relied on a casual statement

of

> > Late Dr.Raman ? Where did I cite Mr. Raman at all ? You have got me

> all

> > confused.

> >

> > I feel you have been hasty in writing the mail.

> >

> > You expect one to remember shlokas from every text (And there are

> many)

> > and cite them whenever one asks for them, and that too for Lordships

> of

> > the Stars. In this era ?

> >

> > Please satisfy my queries first. And also come out clear with what

are

> > you trying to come to conclude ?

> >

> > regards/Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " durga050 "

> > durga050@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskara Ji,

> > >

> > > Namaskar

> > >

> > > Did Sage Satyacharya declare that Aswini is ruled by Kethu ,

Bharani

> > by

> > > Venus etc ? If so , can you cite the relevant quotation ?

> > >

> > > or are you simply relying on a casual statement of late Dr Raman,

in

> > one

> > > of his books ,that Satyacharya considered stellar position ?

> > >

> > > DURGA.......

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mritunjay ji,

> > > > // The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage

> > > > Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG

Rao

> > > > (Meena). // This is what I have been saying since last 2 Years

on

> > > > these Forum. You are repeating the same thing. There is no

> ambuigity

> > > > about it or any new discovery.

> > > > // My points of disagreement are : // Your points of

disagreements

> > > > are not of any utility to me, because anyone is free to use

> whatever

> > > > methods one finds is right. In this case Krishnamurthyji used

what

> > he

> > > > found as right. I also find this as right. Why he choose to use

> > these,

> > > > can be asked to him and not asked to me because I dont waste

time

> > over

> > > > experimenting again and again on whatever a stalwart has found

as

> > > right

> > > > and what works fine with me and scores of other KP Followers. I

> once

> > > > again suggest you to read the KP Readers so that you get your

> > answers

> > > > instead of me looking back at those and mentinong the Page

numbers

> > or

> > > > doing " Copy paste " .

> > > > // just because of the erronous - Placidus System of

Houses...and

> > > > ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House. // The

Placidus

> > > > system is erroneous - is Your thinking and you can stay with it.

> No

> > > > issues. But can you prove that it is erroneous. If You can prove

> > this,

> > > > then please write a article and publish it in the KP Magazine

> which

> > is

> > > a

> > > > monthly magazine and lets see whether it is accepted and what

are

> > the

> > > > responses for the same. I am no way conected to your likes and

> > > dislikes

> > > > and neither care to remove your doubts. If You wish to call

" Idli "

> > as

> > > > " Medu Vada " then fine with me. // Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any

> other

> > > > follower of the original KP system come forward and spare some

> time

> > to

> > > > give his monthly readings on the Indian Indpendence chart using

> his

> > > > original KP System.// I have very clearly mentioned on umpteen

> > times,

> > > > that I am not interested in Mundane predictions and have no

> > knowledge

> > > in

> > > > bifercating the results or making predictions for what you have

> > > > suggested. Neither have I got spare time for all this. But why

> dont

> > > you

> > > > do so with your knowledge of Shripathi and Equal House system ?

We

> > > will

> > > > certainly give you the due respect and acclaim for the right

> > > predictions

> > > > made by You. I have nothing to prove to anybody. The food I cook

> in

> > > > my kitchen is well accepted and eaten heartily by those who eat

> the

> > > > same. I am also unbiased towards any system of prgnostication,

be

> it

> > > > Tarot, Crystal gazing, Dowsing, KP, Traditional, Sayana,

Nirayana,

> > > Naadi

> > > > astrology, Placidus, Equal House, Shripathi. For me all work and

> > bear

> > > my

> > > > respect for each. Thanks and regards, Bhaskar.

> > > >

> > > > , " Mrutyunjay

> > Tripathy "

> > > > astrologer_mrutyunjay@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar Jee and other friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > The principle of using star lord was first propounded by sage

> > > > Satyacharya and sublord theory was first propounded by late RG

Rao

> > > > (Meena).

> > > > >

> > > > > I have no disagreement over use of star or use of sub or even

> > > sub-sub.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have no disagreement of using the- Ruling Planets ( the main

> > > > controlling planets of the prasna chart- having maximum Kala

Bala

> as

> > > per

> > > > traditional principle)

> > > > >

> > > > > My points of disagreement are :-

> > > > >

> > > > > (i)use of Placidus system of houses

> > > > >

> > > > > (ii)what was the need for Western Aspects when we already had

> > > Sripati

> > > > Paddhati on aspects when we had a more compact and accurate

system

> > of

> > > > measuring planetary aspects( refer Graha and Bhava Bala book by

Dr

> > BV

> > > > Raman)

> > > > >

> > > > > (iii) takeing cusp of the house as the beginning point of the

> > > > house...rather than mid-point or most effect point of the house.

> > > > >

> > > > > (iv) elimination of significators using Ruling Planets....My

> > humble

> > > > view that these redundant significators gets generated...

> > > > >

> > > > > Does not KP readers mention of elimination of significators on

> the

> > > > basis of Ruling Planet Theory ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Why these extra significators.....and their elimination by RPs

?

> > > > >

> > > > > just because of the erronous - Placidus System of Houses...and

> > > > ...taking the cusp as the beginning of the House.

> > > > >

> > > > > I had already worked out all the examples given on the KP

> readers

> > > > simply on the basis of the equal houses system and treating the

> cusp

> > > as

> > > > >

> > > > > the middle of the house- and using the

> > > > >

> > > > > traditional planetary aspects and karaktwa had got the

> > > > >

> > > > > same finanl results.

> > > > >

> > > > > A simple research/ experiment proposal:

> > > > > ------

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is a simple proposal for testing the (A)Placidus System

of

> > > Houses

> > > > and (B)taking cusp of the house as beginning point of the house.

> > > > >

> > --

> > > > > Let us use Indian Independence Chart ( where we can not debate

> > about

> > > > the error in birth time; which is a very general plea taken to

> hide

> > > the

> > > > failures in astrology)

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us some of use adept in original KP system use the KP

> Ayanamsa

> > > as

> > > > well as Placidus Sytem of House.

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us start giving mundane prediction about India and its

> people

> > > and

> > > > places on trial basis for every month - just as experiement to

> test.

> > > > >

> > > > > On first week of every month - from this month onward Myself

or

> > > other

> > > > members of the group whoever like will submit their readings on

> > Indian

> > > > Independence Chart simply on the basis of equal house system,

> taking

> > > > cusp of the house as midpoint of the houses using rasi-navamsa,

> star

> > > and

> > > > sub and usual traditional planetary aspects as per Sripati

> Paddhati,

> > > and

> > > > the Vimshottari as well as Ashottari Dasa wherever applicable.

> > > > >

> > >

> ---

> > > > >

> > > > > Let Shri Bhaskar Jee or any other follower of the original KP

> > system

> > > > come forward and spare some time to give his monthly readings on

> the

> > > > Indian Indpendence chart using his original KP System.

> > > > >

> > >

> ----

> > > > >

> > > > > Since the //test of pudding lies in its effectivness//

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us not make any analysis / criticism of the (A) Placidus

> > System

> > > of

> > > > Houses/ Equal House System of Houses or (B) using cusp of the

> house

> > as

> > > > the beginning/middle of a house- as per Western System.

> > > > >

> > >

> ----

> > > > > Let us do this experimentation for 12 months and see the best

of

> > the

> > > > two systems.

> > > > >

> > > > > Note: Please donot confine this as an event between Dear

> Bhashkar

> > > Jee

> > > > and Myself. All astrologers using the original KP/ non-KP may

> > > > comeforward with an open mind and make their positive

> contributions

> > > > without making any personal criticism or harsh words in their

> > > writings.

> > > > Let us do some experimentation in a cool and focussed manner.

> > > > >

> > > > > With regards and best wishes to all,

> > > > >

> > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

On Testing Placidus House System/ Equal House System and their efficacy

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