[VRI] Vedana Jyotisha--Rashi mantra is spurioius and nothing but spurious!

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

Namaste,

 

1)

Yes it was I (S.K.Bhattacharjya) who said that the Vedanga Jyorisha (VJ) (which

was edited by Dr. K.V.Sharma) and published by INSA is available on the Internet

and that was because  to my knowledge no other copy  is available in the

Internet. If Mr. A.K.Kaul kniws of any copy edited by any other editor he may

let us know.

 

2)

In the INSA copy the editor Dr. K.V.Sharma had relegated the Verse no. 4 of

Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha (Y-VJ), which mentioned Meena rashi and sidelined it and

commented in page 50 that it is patently an interpolated verse as Rashi is of

foreign origin and came to India only during the 1st Century AD  along with

Greek astrology. However at the same time he stresses the importance of this

verse and he says that this verse serves a useful purpose and that is why it is

interpolated. Thus Dr.K.V.Sharma admittd that this verse is an essential verse

but was relegated just because of the prejudice because of the thinking that the

Rashis were not known to the Indians before 1st century AD (CE) This essential 

verse was substituted by bringing in the concluding verse no. 35 of Rig Vedanga

Jyotisha (R-VJ), which is the unimportant concluding verse of RV-J as you can

see yourself from the meaning of the verse as given by Dr. K.V.Sharma himself as

follows:

 

R-VJ: 35 : " Like the combs of the peacocks and the crest jewels of the serpents

so does the lore of Jyotisha stand at the head of all the lores forming the

auxilliaries of the Vedas. "

 

3)

Mr.A.K.Kaul does not know that Dr. Kuppanna Sastry died in 1978 and that his

book was to be originally

published by the Bharataiya Vidya Bhavan but finally INSA got it edited

by Dr. K.V.Sharma and published it in 1984. That is why A.K.Kaul mentions about

the Holay's book. which he did not know that it was published in 1986 (in

Marathi) and in 1989 (in English), ie. several years after the publication of

the INSA book. Similarly Dr Suresh Chndra Mishra's book was also published in

2003 ie nine years after the INSA book. Once the INSA book mentioned the

maligned YVJ - 4 as interpolated the other authors also automatically followed

suit and did not make an issue about it as long the verse remained in the text.

Incidentally Mr. Holay had imagined the presence of a 19-year yuga cycle in VJ

but Dr. Abhyankar had proved it beyond doubt that Holay was wrong. However Mr.

Chandrahari seems to support Holay.

 

4)

In the INSA book there is another unnumbered verse after verse no.43 This verse

is important as it mentions that it is Lagadha's work. Dr. K.V.Sharma says in

page 36 that in Weber's first edition this verse appeared unnumbered before the

last verse 43 of Y-VJ buthe says that in Shama Sastry's book this verse is

numbered 43 and the last verse as 44.

 

Friends now you can see for yourself that original verse Y-VJ:4 was made verse

no.5 without numbering  and was looked down upon with suspicion by the 

people, who were holding Pingreean views and thus they have attempted to damage

the Vedanga Jyotisha, which is considered the eye of the Veda.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K.Bhattacharjya

 

 

--- On Sun, 7/26/09, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote:

 

jyotirved <jyotirved

[VRI] Vedana Jyotisha--Rashi mantra is spurioius and nothing but

spurious!

vedic_research_institute

Cc: indian_astrology_group_daily_digest ,

hinducalendar

Sunday, July 26, 2009, 2:20 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear friends,

 

Namastey!

 

Below is a copy of Message No. 2807 by Shri S. Bhattacharjya

in WAVES-VEDIC forum.

 

Then In message No.  2874 of June 26, 09, Shri Bhattacharjya

had said further:

 

“ 6)INSA stands for Indian national Science Academy. The

Vedanga Jyotisha was published in their " Indian Journal of History of

Science, Vol.19, No. 4, Supplement. Their website is  www.insa.ac. inâ€

 

  Now the same Shri Bhjattacharjya says that that work of INSA has

been published/edited under the influence of Pingree!

 

These are the prevarications “Vedic astrologers†make!

 

Surprisingly, Holay’s edition shows the Mina Rashi mantra as

spurious! Hindi edition of a Delhi publisher shows that mantra as spurious! 

INSA

edition shows that mantra as spurious!  S. B. Dikshit has just not thought it

fit even to refer to such a spurious mantra in his magnum opus, “History of

Indian astronomyâ€, and he has declared, like all the true scholars of

eminence,

that there are no Rashis in the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha!  Somakar, the

earliest recorded Sanskrit commentator of an unknown era on the Vedanga

Jyotisha also has shown that mantra as spurious!

 

Have all these commentators and translators been under

Pingree’s influence?  Were Somakar of yore  and S. B. Dikshit, a redoubtable

scholar of nineteenth century, also influenced by Pingree even before he

(Pingree)was born?

 

 

 

In any case, why does  Shri Bhjattacharjya not upload a copy

of the page, indicating the edition and publisher, that contains the spurious

mantra as the original mantra, as claimed by Shri Bhattacharyjay and his mentor

in his post in AIA.

 

With regards,

 

A K Kaul

 

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#2807 in WAVES-VEDIC by Shri Sunil Bhattacharjya

 

Dear Sreenadhji,

 

 

 

Thank you very much for such a comprehensive reply.  I

am sending copies of this mail to the other groups also. Avinash Sathaye seems

to be an ardent admirer of  Avtar Krishen Kaul and hence Sathaye

 was doubting my mention of Vedanga Jyotisha and AKK also

seems to be conveniently conniving at the lapse of Sathaye. Thank you once

again.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 5/26/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

 

 

 

Sreenadh <sreesog

 

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Fw: [VRI] Fwd: Reference for Rashi's in

Vedas

 

ancient_indian_ astrology

 

Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 6:41 PM

 

Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,

 

   Give him the following references . If more references are

required, that also is available.

 

============ ==

 

   AIA Website Article: Vendic Month Names

 

Some preliminary evidence to prove the existence of Meshadi

month names in Vedic period is given below –

 

1) Take the Yajur

Vedanga Jyotisha text and read the 5th sloka. It reads as follows -

 

Ye brihaspatina bhuktva MEENAN prabbriti rasayaH

 

te hritaH panchabhiryataH yaH seshaH sa parigrihaH

 

(Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha - sloka 5)

 

[Take the sign count of Jupiter counting from Meena Rasi

(Pisces Sign), ............ .......etc] I believe you have noticed the words

'Meenan prabhriti RasayaH' [signs counted from Meena Rasi (Pisces Sign)]. That

proves the existence of signs like Meena, Mesha etc in Vedanga Jyotisha period.

 

 

2) Take the Rk Vedanga

Jyotisha text next. Flip the pages to reach the 11th sloka. It reads –

 

Sravishtabhyam gunabhyastan prag-viLAGNAN vinirdiset

 

Suryat masan palabhyastan vidyacchandramasanr itun

 

(Rk Vedanga Jyotisha - sloka 11)

 

Please notice the words - " Prag vilangnan " (From

the eastern LAGNA; from the eastern RISING SIGN) " Lagna " means,

" Raseenam Udayo Lagna " (The SIGN rising in the east is termed LAGNA).

 

 

3) Take the copy of

Boudhayana Sutra. In it you will find a quote that reads - " Meena Meshayor

Mesha Vrishabhayor VasantaH " [The Vasanta Ritu could be either in

Meena-Mesha or in Mesha-Vrishabha (as per the period of time and geographical

location)]

 

4) Then take the

Rigveda itself and try to understand the wordings such as - " Dwadasaram

nahi tajjaraya " , " Dwadaya pradhayaschakrameka m " etc etc.

 

5) Take Maitreya Sutra

and in it you will find a quote as follows –

 

Ravina langhito masaschandraH khyato malipluchaH

 

masadwaye yadapyekaRASIM Sankrametadityastat radyo

malipluchaH

 

[if two lunar months falls with a single sidereal solar

month (Rasi; Sign) - i.e. if Sun TRANSITS two lunar months with in Rasis (Sign)

- then that month is known with the special name " Maliplucha " (the

unclean month)]

 

This quote proves that sidereal solar months where clearly

in existence and use during Vedic period.

 

6) If even this is not

enough then kid like stories are better for you. So take the Puranas and you

will find numerous references to Signs in all of them, Such as in Garuda

Purana, Agni Purana or numerous other Puranas.

 

Love and regards,

 

Sreenadh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,Namaste,1)Yes it was I (S.K.Bhattacharjya) who said that the Vedanga Jyorisha (VJ) (which was edited by Dr. K.V.Sharma) and published by INSA is available on the Internet and that was because to my knowledge no other copy is available in the Internet. If Mr. A.K.Kaul kniws of any copy edited by any other editor he may let us know.2)In the INSA copy the editor Dr. K.V.Sharma had relegated the Verse no. 4 of Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha (Y-VJ), which mentioned Meena rashi and sidelined it and commented in page 50 that it is patently an interpolated verse as Rashi is of foreign origin and came to India only during the 1st Century AD along with Greek astrology. However at the same time he stresses the importance of this verse and he says that this verse serves a useful purpose and that is why it is

interpolated. Thus Dr.K.V.Sharma admittd that this verse is an essential verse but was relegated just because of the prejudice because of the thinking that the Rashis were not known to the Indians before 1st century AD (CE) This essential verse was substituted by bringing in the concluding verse no. 35 of Rig Vedanga Jyotisha (R-VJ), which is the unimportant concluding verse of RV-J as you can see yourself from the meaning of the verse as given by Dr. K.V.Sharma himself as follows:R-VJ: 35 : "Like the combs of the peacocks and the crest jewels of the serpents so does the lore of Jyotisha stand at the head of all the lores forming the auxilliaries of the Vedas."3)Mr.A.K.Kaul does not know that Dr. Kuppanna Sastry died in 1978 and that his book was to be originally

published by the Bharataiya Vidya Bhavan but finally INSA got it edited

by Dr. K.V.Sharma and published it in 1984. That is why A.K.Kaul mentions about the Holay's book. which he did not know that it was published in 1986 (in Marathi) and in 1989 (in English), ie. several years after the publication of the INSA book. Similarly Dr Suresh Chndra Mishra's book was also published in 2003 ie nine years after the INSA book. Once the INSA book mentioned the maligned YVJ - 4 as interpolated the other authors also automatically followed suit and did not make an issue about it as long the verse remained in the text. Incidentally Mr. Holay had imagined the presence of a 19-year yuga cycle in VJ but Dr. Abhyankar had proved it beyond doubt that Holay was wrong. However Mr. Chandrahari seems to support Holay.4)In the INSA book there is another unnumbered verse after verse no.43 This verse is important as it mentions that it is Lagadha's work. Dr. K.V.Sharma says in page 36 that in Weber's first edition this verse appeared

unnumbered before the last verse 43 of Y-VJ buthe says that in Shama Sastry's book this verse is numbered 43 and the last verse as 44. Friends now you can see for yourself that original verse Y-VJ:4 was made verse no.5 without numbering and was looked down upon with suspicion by the people, who were holding Pingreean views and thus they have attempted to damage the Vedanga Jyotisha, which is considered the eye of the Veda.Regards,Sunil K.Bhattacharjya--- On Sun, 7/26/09, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote:jyotirved <jyotirved[VRI] Vedana Jyotisha--Rashi mantra is spurioius and nothing but spurious!vedic_research_institute Cc: indian_astrology_group_daily_digest , hinducalendar Date:

Sunday, July 26, 2009, 2:20 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear friends, Namastey! Below is a copy of Message No. 2807 by Shri S. Bhattacharjya

in WAVES-VEDIC forum. Then In message No. 2874 of June 26, 09, Shri Bhattacharjya

had said further: “ 6)INSA stands for Indian national Science Academy. The

Vedanga Jyotisha was published in their "Indian Journal of History of

Science, Vol.19, No. 4, Supplement. Their website is www.insa.ac. inâ€

Now the same Shri Bhjattacharjya says that that work of INSA has

been published/edited under the influence of Pingree! These are the prevarications “Vedic astrologers†make! Surprisingly, Holay’s edition shows the Mina Rashi mantra as

spurious! Hindi edition of a Delhi publisher shows that mantra as spurious! INSA

edition shows that mantra as spurious! S. B. Dikshit has just not thought it

fit even to refer to such a spurious mantra in his magnum opus, “History of

Indian astronomyâ€, and he has declared, like all the true scholars of eminence,

that there are no Rashis in the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha! Somakar, the

earliest recorded Sanskrit commentator of an unknown era on the Vedanga

Jyotisha also has shown that mantra as spurious! Have all these commentators and translators been under

Pingree’s influence? Were Somakar of yore and S. B. Dikshit, a redoubtable

scholar of nineteenth century, also influenced by Pingree even before he

(Pingree)was born? In any case, why does Shri Bhjattacharjya not upload a copy

of the page, indicating the edition and publisher, that contains the spurious

mantra as the original mantra, as claimed by Shri Bhattacharyjay and his mentor

in his post in AIA. With regards, A K Kaul **** *** *****

***** ***** ***** **** #2807 in WAVES-VEDIC by Shri Sunil Bhattacharjya Dear Sreenadhji, Thank you very much for such a comprehensive reply. I

am sending copies of this mail to the other groups also. Avinash Sathaye seems

to be an ardent admirer of Avtar Krishen Kaul and hence Sathaye

was doubting my mention of Vedanga Jyotisha and AKK also

seems to be conveniently conniving at the lapse of Sathaye. Thank you once

again. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

--- On Tue, 5/26/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Fw: [VRI] Fwd: Reference for Rashi's in

Vedas

ancient_indian_ astrology

Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 6:41 PM Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,

Give him the following references . If more references are

required, that also is available.

============ ==

AIA Website Article: Vendic Month Names Some preliminary evidence to prove the existence of Meshadi

month names in Vedic period is given below – 1) Take the Yajur

Vedanga Jyotisha text and read the 5th sloka. It reads as follows - Ye brihaspatina bhuktva MEENAN prabbriti rasayaH te hritaH panchabhiryataH yaH seshaH sa parigrihaH (Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha - sloka 5) [Take the sign count of Jupiter counting from Meena Rasi

(Pisces Sign), ............ .......etc] I believe you have noticed the words

'Meenan prabhriti RasayaH' [signs counted from Meena Rasi (Pisces Sign)]. That

proves the existence of signs like Meena, Mesha etc in Vedanga Jyotisha period.

2) Take the Rk Vedanga

Jyotisha text next. Flip the pages to reach the 11th sloka. It reads – Sravishtabhyam gunabhyastan prag-viLAGNAN vinirdiset Suryat masan palabhyastan vidyacchandramasanr itun (Rk Vedanga Jyotisha - sloka 11) Please notice the words - "Prag vilangnan" (From

the eastern LAGNA; from the eastern RISING SIGN) "Lagna" means,

"Raseenam Udayo Lagna" (The SIGN rising in the east is termed LAGNA).

3) Take the copy of

Boudhayana Sutra. In it you will find a quote that reads - "Meena Meshayor

Mesha Vrishabhayor VasantaH" [The Vasanta Ritu could be either in

Meena-Mesha or in Mesha-Vrishabha (as per the period of time and geographical

location)] 4) Then take the

Rigveda itself and try to understand the wordings such as - "Dwadasaram

nahi tajjaraya" , "Dwadaya pradhayaschakrameka m" etc etc. 5) Take Maitreya Sutra

and in it you will find a quote as follows – Ravina langhito masaschandraH khyato malipluchaH masadwaye yadapyekaRASIM Sankrametadityastat radyo

malipluchaH [if two lunar months falls with a single sidereal solar

month (Rasi; Sign) - i.e. if Sun TRANSITS two lunar months with in Rasis (Sign)

- then that month is known with the special name "Maliplucha" (the

unclean month)] This quote proves that sidereal solar months where clearly

in existence and use during Vedic period. 6) If even this is not

enough then kid like stories are better for you. So take the Puranas and you

will find numerous references to Signs in all of them, Such as in Garuda

Purana, Agni Purana or numerous other Puranas. Love and regards, Sreenadh

 

[Guest guest]

--- On Sun, 8/2/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyaRe: [VRI] Vedana Jyotisha--Rashi mantra is spurioius and nothing but spurious!vedic_research_institute Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 1:11 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear friends,

 

It is regrettable that Shri Kaul had not understtod my mail properly, which even a schoolboy will understand. The original verse mentioning the Meena Rashi was verse No. 4 in the Yajur Vedfanga Jyotisha (Y-VJ) and the editors who were influenced by Pingree's views thought that the Greeks had taught Rashi to the Indians much after the Vedanga Jyotisha was composed and that is why the verse must be spurious. So they brought in the verse No. 35 from the Rig Vedanga Jyotisha (R-VJ) and placed it in position No. 4 in the Y-VJ. Naturally the original verse was pushed to the fifth place and they numbered it as Zero.

 

Nobody is beating around the bush and nobody is trying to obfuscate the issue. You are calling Sreenadhji my mentor just because he mentioned about the verse in his mail. Then Shri Kaul should better ask Sreenadhji directly if he has any difficulty in understanding what I wrote. In fact in stead of me the last mail should have been written by Sreenadhji as it was he who was the first to point out the verse in the Y-VJ. Further if Shri Kaul thinks that Rashis are not mentioned in the Veda, Vedanga Jyotisha and the Puranas and that the Indians learnt Astrology from the Greeks I have nothing to say. I am not compelling him to accept my views. Let him take it or leave it.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved wrote:

Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirvedRe: [VRI] Vedana Jyotisha--Rashi mantra is spurioius and nothing but spurious!vedic_research_institute Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 7:48 AM

 

 

Shri Bhatacharjya has quoted, in h is original message to WAVES-Vedic, his mentor as saying, quote"Some preliminary evidence to prove the existence of Meshadi month names in Vedic period is given below – 1) Take the Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha text and read the 5th sloka. It reads as follows -Ye brihaspatina bhuktva MEENAN prabbriti rasayaHte hritaH panchabhiryataH yaH seshaH sa parigrihaH (Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha - sloka 5)"End quoteWhere is that fifth shloka, pl.?Why beat about the bush and obfuscate the issue to such an extent that the readers get distracted from "the eye of the fish" i.e. the fact that ths mantra is nothing but spurious. If there does exist ay work that has not listed the spurious mantra as "zero" Why not scan the page of that work, indicating its editor, publisher and year of publisher?Regards,A K Kaul vedic_research_ institute, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:>> Dear friends,> > Namaste,> > 1)> Yes it was I (S.K.Bhattacharjya) who said that the Vedanga Jyorisha (VJ) (which was edited by Dr. K.V.Sharma) and published by INSA is available on the Internet and that was because to my knowledge no other copy is available in the Internet. If Mr. A.K.Kaul kniws of any copy edited by any other editor he may let us know.> > 2)> In the INSA copy the editor Dr. K.V.Sharma had relegated the Verse no. 4 of Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha (Y-VJ), which mentioned Meena rashi and sidelined it and commented in page 50 that it is patently an interpolated verse as Rashi is of foreign origin and came to India only during the 1st

Century AD along with Greek astrology. However at the same time he stresses the importance of this verse and he says that this verse serves a useful purpose and that is why it is interpolated. Thus Dr.K.V.Sharma admittd that this verse is an essential verse but was relegated just because of the prejudice because of the thinking that the Rashis were not known to the Indians before 1st century AD (CE) This essential verse was substituted by bringing in the concluding verse no. 35 of Rig Vedanga Jyotisha (R-VJ), which is the unimportant concluding verse of RV-J as you can see yourself from the meaning of the verse as given by Dr. K.V.Sharma himself as follows:> > R-VJ: 35 : "Like the combs of the peacocks and the crest jewels of the serpents so does the lore of Jyotisha stand at the head of all the lores forming the auxilliaries of the Vedas."> > 3)> Mr.A.K.Kaul does not know that Dr. Kuppanna Sastry died in

1978 and that his book was to be originally> published by the Bharataiya Vidya Bhavan but finally INSA got it edited> by Dr. K.V.Sharma and published it in 1984. That is why A.K.Kaul mentions about the Holay's book. which he did not know that it was published in 1986 (in Marathi) and in 1989 (in English), ie. several years after the publication of the INSA book. Similarly Dr Suresh Chndra Mishra's book was also published in 2003 ie nine years after the INSA book. Once the INSA book mentioned the maligned YVJ - 4 as interpolated the other authors also automatically followed suit and did not make an issue about it as long the verse remained in the text. Incidentally Mr. Holay had imagined the presence of a 19-year yuga cycle in VJ but Dr. Abhyankar had proved it beyond doubt that Holay was wrong. However Mr. Chandrahari seems to support Holay.> > 4)> In the INSA book there is another unnumbered verse after verse no.43

This verse is important as it mentions that it is Lagadha's work. Dr. K.V.Sharma says in page 36 that in Weber's first edition this verse appeared unnumbered before the last verse 43 of Y-VJ buthe says that in Shama Sastry's book this verse is numbered 43 and the last verse as 44. > > Friends now you can see for yourself that original verse Y-VJ:4 was made verse no.5 without numbering and was looked down upon with suspicion by the people, who were holding Pingreean views and thus they have attempted to damage the Vedanga Jyotisha, which is considered the eye of the Veda.> > Regards,> > Sunil K.Bhattacharjya> > > --- On Sun, 7/26/09, jyotirved <jyotirved@. ..> wrote:> > jyotirved <jyotirved@. ..>> [VRI] Vedana Jyotisha--Rashi mantra is spurioius and nothing but spurious!> vedic_research_ institute> Cc: indian_astrology_ group_daily_ digest@grou ps.com, hinducalendar> Sunday, July 26, 2009, 2:20 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > Namastey! > > Below is a copy of Message No. 2807 by Shri S. Bhattacharjya> in WAVES-VEDIC forum. > > Then In message No. 2874

of June 26, 09, Shri Bhattacharjya> had said further: > > “ 6)INSA stands for Indian national Science Academy. The> Vedanga Jyotisha was published in their "Indian Journal of History of> Science, Vol.19, No. 4, Supplement. Their website is www.insa.ac. inâ€> > Now the same Shri Bhjattacharjya says that that work of INSA has> been published/edited under the influence of Pingree! > > These are the prevarications “Vedic astrologers†make! > > Surprisingly, Holay’s edition shows the Mina Rashi mantra as> spurious! Hindi edition of a Delhi publisher shows that mantra as spurious! INSA> edition shows that mantra as spurious! S. B. Dikshit has just not thought it> fit even to refer to such a spurious mantra in his magnum opus, “History of> Indian astronomyâ€, and he has declared, like all the true scholars of

eminence,> that there are no Rashis in the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha! Somakar, the> earliest recorded Sanskrit commentator of an unknown era on the Vedanga> Jyotisha also has shown that mantra as spurious! > > Have all these commentators and translators been under> Pingree’s influence? Were Somakar of yore and S. B. Dikshit, a redoubtable> scholar of nineteenth century, also influenced by Pingree even before he> (Pingree)was born? > > > > In any case, why does Shri Bhjattacharjya not upload a copy> of the page, indicating the edition and publisher, that contains the spurious> mantra as the original mantra, as claimed by Shri Bhattacharyjay and his mentor> in his post in AIA. > > With regards, > > A K Kaul > >

**** *** *****

***** ***** ***** **** > > > > #2807 in WAVES-VEDIC by Shri Sunil Bhattacharjya > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > Thank you very much for such a comprehensive reply. I> am sending copies of this mail to the other groups also. Avinash Sathaye seems> to be an

ardent admirer of Avtar Krishen Kaul and hence Sathaye> was doubting my mention of Vedanga Jyotisha and AKK also> seems to be conveniently conniving at the lapse of Sathaye. Thank you once> again. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@>> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Fw: [VRI] Fwd: Reference for Rashi's in> Vedas> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 6:41 PM > > Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, > > Give him the following references . If more references are> required, that also is available. > > ============

==> > AIA Website Article: Vendic Month Names > > Some preliminary evidence to prove the existence of Meshadi> month names in Vedic period is given below – > > 1) Take the Yajur> Vedanga Jyotisha text and read the 5th sloka. It reads as follows - > > Ye brihaspatina bhuktva MEENAN prabbriti rasayaH > > te hritaH panchabhiryataH yaH seshaH sa parigrihaH > > (Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha - sloka 5) > > [Take the sign count of Jupiter counting from Meena Rasi> (Pisces Sign), ............ .......etc] I believe you have noticed the words> 'Meenan prabhriti RasayaH' [signs counted from Meena Rasi (Pisces Sign)]. That> proves the existence of signs like Meena, Mesha etc in Vedanga Jyotisha period.> > > 2) Take the Rk Vedanga> Jyotisha text next. Flip the pages to reach the 11th

sloka. It reads – > > Sravishtabhyam gunabhyastan prag-viLAGNAN vinirdiset > > Suryat masan palabhyastan vidyacchandramasanr itun > > (Rk Vedanga Jyotisha - sloka 11) > > Please notice the words - "Prag vilangnan" (From> the eastern LAGNA; from the eastern RISING SIGN) "Lagna" means,> "Raseenam Udayo Lagna" (The SIGN rising in the east is termed LAGNA).> > > 3) Take the copy of> Boudhayana Sutra. In it you will find a quote that reads - "Meena Meshayor> Mesha Vrishabhayor VasantaH" [The Vasanta Ritu could be either in> Meena-Mesha or in Mesha-Vrishabha (as per the period of time and geographical> location)] > > 4) Then take the> Rigveda itself and try to understand the wordings such as - "Dwadasaram> nahi tajjaraya" , "Dwadaya pradhayaschakrameka m" etc etc. > > 5) Take Maitreya

Sutra> and in it you will find a quote as follows – > > Ravina langhito masaschandraH khyato malipluchaH > > masadwaye yadapyekaRASIM Sankrametadityastat radyo> malipluchaH > > [if two lunar months falls with a single sidereal solar> month (Rasi; Sign) - i.e. if Sun TRANSITS two lunar months with in Rasis (Sign)> - then that month is known with the special name "Maliplucha" (the> unclean month)] > > This quote proves that sidereal solar months where clearly> in existence and use during Vedic period. > > 6) If even this is not> enough then kid like stories are better for you. So take the Puranas and you> will find numerous references to Signs in all of them, Such as in Garuda> Purana, Agni Purana or numerous other Puranas. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh> > >

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