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Interesting observation

 

 

Last Updated on Tuesday, 14 April 2009 02:37

 

Written by Hari, Sreenadh OG, Souvik Datta, Pandit Arjun

 

Monday, 13 April 2009 19:24

[Participants: Hari, Sreenadh OG, Souvik Datta, Pandit Arjun] [Editor: Sreenadh OG] (Source: AIA Website: An Interesting Observation ) Admin Note: Any editor preparing such write-ups based on AIA Group conversations are requested to follow the below guidelines. The participants and editors name should be mentioned at the top of the documentThe

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avoided. Always give the original thread URL as a reference, in the beginning of the document. [Thread URL: /message/89] [This is a conversation record write-up prepared based on a thread happened in AIA . (). Please note that, many points from the original discussion might have been omitted here to make this readable] Hari (Jyotisa Shisya): Nowadays,

in the early morning, I go outside and sit on the porch to enjoy the

cool morning air. Today I was a little later than usual and wondering

if I had missed the milkman's knock. A crow came up and perched on the

parapet wall near to where I was sitting. Into my mind came the

following questions in *sequence* : (1) Will the milkman come to deliver the milk? Crows response: three caws (2) Will I get the expected speed post today? Crows response: two caws The crow then flew away. Actual situation: The milkman came and the speed post didn't arrive as of now. Is it a coincidence that YES has three letters while NO has two letters? Who is more intuitive? The crow or the fellow sitting on the porch?

Jyotish lesson: Make it a habit to observe acutely what is happening

around you and try to decipher the meaning of what you observe relative

to the situation. The art of deciphering nimittas or sakuna sastra is

an invaluable tool for the Jyotisha. Sreenadh: It is the description of just an incident but the story seems to hide a lot of meaning - and is really good!! PS:

Read it in the light of discussions on the chart of Pramod Mahajan and

about the validity of astrology, then only the true beauty of the story

will be revealed. The Promod Mahajan incident itself seems to be one of the nimittas we (the astrologers) should observe. [Editor: On 22 April 2006,

Pramod Mahajan was shot at and fatally injured by his brother Pravin

Mahajan over a family dispute. He succumbed to his wounds 13 days

later. After the news about Pramod Mahajen being shot was out, numerous

famous and infamous astrologers started predicting about whether he

will live or die – taking advantage of the 50-50 situation. Many famous

astrologers like Sanjay Rath, pathetically failed in those chance

predictions, while some like KN Rao, Madhu Nair etc predicted the

outcome fairly correctly. (The number of astrologers who might try to

take advantage of even such tragic situations are many in number. But

such incidents also help us to identify the usefulness of the mind made

astrological theories in practical situations). The above narration by

Jyotish Shisya was probably describing the above situation in a

humorous way] Pandit Arjun: Even

though these sakuna sastras are interesting, I did not read or learn

them as I did not find any classics on them. If you could refer any

classics mentioning these sakuna sastra or any old books on how to read

from animal hints, I would like to learn them also. If predictions can

be made on the caws of a crow and barks of a dog and the fall of a

lizard, it is really an easy task for an astrologer. Sreenadh: It

not due to the reference to sakuna sastras that I presented that mail,

but due to the hidden double meaning and anomaly. Becoming serious, now

coming to the subject of 'Sakuna' and 'Nimitta' (If you are one a

travel the Nimittas that you observe in the start of the journey - with

approx 100 m - is termed Sakuna and all omens are generally termed

'Nimitta'), it is a subject dealt with in Samhitas. So the available

ancient classics that deal with this subject would be samhita texts

like - Brihat samhita, Harita samhita, Samasa samhita, Maha yatra etc.

Prasna texts like Prasnamaraga, Prasnanushtana padhati etc also refer

to various omens related to Prasna in an elaborate manner. Texts like

Kerala prasna samgraha, Prasna Koutuka gives omens to be observed

related to touching of body parts by the qurent. In texts like Siva

sworodaya and Agni purana omens judged from breath pattern are

mentioned. Even Ayurvedic classic texts like Ashtanga Hridaya also

discusses omens that would help the doctor to judge the disease,

situation and the possible outcome of the treatment. This system is

very old as is evident from the statement of 'Vishnugupta'

(chanakya) in Chanakya sutra: "Upastita vinasa prakrityakarena karyena

drisyate" Meaning, the future possibility of destruction or bad out

comes would be indicated by the natural omens. E.g.: Before rain we see

the clouds - it is an omen Before earth quake the animals react - it is

an omen The classification of omens which depends on various basic

principles itself is a big subject to deal with. By the way we value

the statement of Vishnugupta (chanakya) because he is the reputed

author of a reputed astrological classic called `Vishnugupta Hora'. You

said: Quote If

you could refer any classics mentioning these shakuna shastra or any

old books on how to read from animal hints, i would like to learn them

also. Unquote If

want to be systematic and authentic, to understand the animal behavior,

it is better to read modern texts on the subject and depend on direct

observation and study of animals and nature. Mihira in Mahayatra (also

known as Brihat Yogayatra) asks us to study the animal behavior and

nature from direct observation. Yes, I here you ask, where is astrology

in it. The astrologer is supposed to predict and for that he is

collecting all the tools he could, whetherthat is related to planets

and Rasi Chakra or not. This is specially important in Ashtamangala

Prasna etc. For them the concept while considering animal behavior etc

was, "it is important are you able to predict future events accurately

and how you do it is not important"! But remember, this concept is JUST

PART of the big Nimitta system and not a rule that depict the WHOLE

Nimitta system. I hope the above references will be sufficient to give

you a start on the subject, of omens. Quote If predictions can be made on the caws of a crow and barks of a dog and the fall of a lizard, it is really an easy task for an astrologer. Unquote No

it is wrong. Wisely and efficiently using and understanding this system

is one of the hardest tasks! I have heard a story related to

observation of a Nimitta by an Ayurvedic doctor. He visited one of the

patients with his Sishya and having digestion problems. He observed the

smell and presence of Jackfruit near to the bed of the patient, and

from that omen observed that eating of too much jackfruit was the cause

of indigestion. Another day the in the absence of the guru the Sishya

had to visit a patient with the same problem. He was unable to locate

the problem by diagnosis, so he looked around for omens, and found some

grass near to the bed of patient. So he immediately asked "Did you ate

grass yesterday?". Same is story of and the study of the system of

"Omen observation". It is in a better damaged state similar to the

Jataka stream of astrology at present. We could find knowledge related

to Nature, climate, body language, breath pattern, astrological

knowledge of zodiac and planets, animal behavior, biology, psychology,

hundreds of beliefs, many superstitions all getting used WITH THE AIM

OF PREDICTING THE FUTURE in this branch astrology. It is the ancient

mother of several streams of knowledge. We should have to look at the

subject of omens in a new light. May the grace of nature be with us,

with that grace let us be with it, to understand the world around us in

a better way, so that everything will reflect in us, and give us clues

about the future possibilities which helps us in prediction. PS: - The astrologer is like a mirror who reflects the nature and the qurent himself. - He is a person who see - which others can not see (Even in day to day life) ·-He

is a person who hear - which others can not hear (Even in day to day

life) Meaning he observes with attention and understands much more from

what others too see and hear. He is the wise man who is there to say

what he saw and heard to others, but in a different mould, so that it

would be beneficial to them. Souvik Datta: This reminds me of the string theory on quantum physics... Sreenadhji, do you exist in parallel universes? J Sreenadh: Lol.....yes!

In a parallel universe called Kerala (with an indecipherable and

cumbersome language 'Malalayalam'), where an astrologer started

speaking English recently only. But the wonder is that, these people of

the south India, have started copying old Sanskrit texts into their

regional scripts, before hundreds of years, and those texts become

extinct in North India but still many references and slokas are still

available in these regional scripts!

They felt it difficult to write Sanskrit and have created 2 scripts -

popularly known as 'Grandha lipi' or 'Grandha script'. Grandha lipi

means a script that was created to write Sanskrit in a script that

resembles regional scripts (with less alphabets)of Kerala and

Tamilnadu. These scripts are – 1) Tamil

Grandha lipi (Now only available in preserved texts in manuscript

libraries) [Tamil is the language of the state 'Tamilnadu'] 2) Malayalam Grandha lipi (This later become the slandered script of Malayalam) [Malayalam is the language of the state 'Kerala']

Malayalam Grandha lipi become Malayalam and maybe because of that many

ancient Sanskrit slokas and sloka references are available in this

language and texts. The astrological knowledge in this language is

already explored although the fruits are not yet completely presented

to the world. But the Tamil Grandha lipi is an unexplored treasure!

Many spend years to translate Sanskrit texts to Tamil Grandha lipi and

as you may know Tamil is an older and ancient language than Malayalam.

Now nobody reads and uses 'Tamil Grandha lipi', but the manuscripts

libraries (all over India)

have thousands of 'Grandha lipi' texts preserved with them! Who knows,

we many find many, 'thought to be lost texts' in this collection. It is

another treasure for we children to play with - caused by language

development and its history. I think, even though I am able to notice

this regarding Malayalam and Tamil, there is a possibility that this is

the same situation with all the other regional scripts as well.

Somebody should conduct a search for 'Sanskrit astrological classics in

regional scripts'. Then from Southern states and from states like Kashmir, Orisa etc new knowledge and lost texts may spring and rise to their feet, becoming visible to all. [Editor:

The thread died there, possibly because Souvik datta or any one else

didn't knew much about such lost languages and civilizations especially

connected to South India. The areas this thread pointed-to but left unexplored re – - Analyzing instant coffee like new born theories getting tested in practical contexts - More about the theoretical foundations of Sakuna or Nimitta Sastra - Exploring the subject of ancient scripts and languages further] - 0 –