Some Ramblings

May 2, 2009

Some Ramblings

Last Updated on Friday, 01 May 2009 09:34

Written by Vinita, Sreenadh OG

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avoided. Always give the original thread URL as a reference, in the beginning of the document. [Thread: /message/422] [This is a conversation record write-up prepared based on a thread happened in AIA . Please note that, many points from the original discussion might have been omitted here to make this readable] Vinita: Yesterday

I went through the files section, basically your articles - to

understand some to the things that we are talking of here. The 0 point

in Chandrahari Ayanamsa, the BT rectification etc. My first thought was

- Christ, what am I doing on a forum like this? This is meant for

knowledgeable people - people who know astrology and Ganita

(mathematics). Though you have been extremely encouraging and patient

with at times inane questions from my side - the best thing for a

person like me would be to remain shut.

The thought also crossed my mind that I could be suffering from

indigestion - the rumblings that go on with undigested food in the

stomach. But as a novice in this area let me still give you some

feedback, for whatever that is worth.

First let me thank u for clarifying that astrology is basically Kala

Tantra, a study of time. What I like particularly is what u said about

understanding the rhythm of time. It almost sounded like the Ayurvedic

doctor putting the finger on the pulse. So when you can understand the

pulse of time you can understand so many things. There can be different

techniques for catching the pulse as there are different systems in

astrology, but the essence remains the same.

Then you said that in order to understand time you study motions,

motions of planets. That is even more interesting - Motions in relation

to a stationary zodiac, motions of the planets, motions of the earth.

The whole talk of the 0 point is a search of where the sidereal

coincided with the tropical while the earth "wobbled" on its axis. (Why

the lagna jumps 180 degrees at the poles may once again have something to do with the motion of the earth?)

But the most interesting thing perhaps is whether the study of the

macro could be combined with the micro. (Again back to relativity and

quantum mechanics?). I am really looking forward to your exposition of

the Prasnamarga - the present moment, and how truth can be derived from

there.

And finally, whether there is anything that can bend time to one's own

wishes, by bending to the divine wish - where motions stop and time has

no meaning? Thank

you, once again for putting so many delectable things on the plate.

Though the appetite is always there to gobble up food what I should

mind is the poor stomach, which is only a small pouch of extremely

limited capacity. Sreenadh: It was beautiful - Thank you. You have collected many important points and presented them in a single mail. Quote First let me thank u for clarifying that astrology is basically Kala Tantra, a study of time. Unquote Yes, It is one of the most important points. Quote What

I like particularly is what you said about understanding the rhythm of

time. It almost sounded like the Ayurvedic doctor putting the finger on

the pulse. So when you can understand the pulse of time you can

understand so many things. There can be different techniques for

catching the pulse as there are different systems in astrology, but the

essence remains the same. Unquote You

have put it beautifully. Yes, there can be different techniques for

catching the pulse, as there are different systems in astrology. That

is why Tropical and Sidereal predictive astrology existed even from

time of Vedic period simultaneously, and gave true results. That is why

if we take any point in the ecliptic and make a predictive system after

proper study it can give good results for a short span (many 25-50

years) but not long. (Why ecliptic alone, even the path of moon could a

reference for creating a temporary predictive system) That is why for

giving exact results for long a fixed frame of reference, and a

mathematical abstraction of the fluctuations, becomes important - and

so the Sidereal Zodiac with Meshadi as Zero point. Yes, in all these

situations the essence remains the same - study of the pulse of time. Quote Then

you said that in order to understand time you study motions, motions of

planets. That is even more interesting - Motions in relation to a

stationary zodiac, motions of the planets, motions of the earth. The

whole talk of the 0 point is a search of where the sidereal coincided

with the tropical while the earth "wobbled" on its axis. Unquote Absolutely right - Motions should be judged against a fixed framework - like the coordinates plotted on a graph. Quote (Why the lagna jumps 180 degrees at the poles may once again have something to do with the motion of the earth?) Unquote Exactly

right - and that is why that question is very important. Does it tell

us that the current calculation system given in JHora (for Lagna

calculation for polar regions) is not in line with the fundamental

concept of Rishis? If Lagna is supposed to give the "the relative angle

of rotation of earth with reference to the Zero point with in 360 deg",

then how can it jump? It shouldn't! What does that mean? Are we wrongly

taking opposite point in such situations, because the fundamentals are

still undigested? Can't you see how even the big questions

automatically gets answered when we are ready to stick to the

fundamentals? I think the answer hides here – why lagna jumps and why

it shouldn't. Please

follow the Link provided by Vijayadas ji some days before - and see how

the wrong consideration of house system as different from Rasis could

lead to more erroneous concepts - such as non existence of some houses

in horoscope etc. Please remember that in 360 deg all signs and all

houses do exist. If it were a continuous 360 deg rotation of a single

point, everything would be ok. If somebody is changing the reference

points - it should be a wrong calculation, which is a violation of the

fundamentals. Rishis defined Lagna as "The point of ecliptic that rises

in the east". So the question of vernamalga ji "What is this East after

all?" That is the right question and he is pointing in the right

direction.. Quote But

the most interesting thing perhaps is whether the study of the macro

could be combined with the micro. (again back to relativity and quantum

mechanics?). Unquote You spotted it rightly. This

is the thread of thought that leads us towards the extreme concepts of

science - let it be Relativity, Quantum mechanics, Storage mechanism of

human memory, Biological clocks and circadian rhythm or the like. It is

also the thread that leads us towards Philosophical concepts regarding

the different thinking methods (Scientific and holistic), Subjective

and Objective study methods, study of mind (which like a broken glass)

that could only see things through classification and the like. Quote And

finally, whether there is anything that can bend time to one's own

wishes, by bending to the divine wish - where motions stop and time has

no meaning? Unquote Yes,

as you rightly spotted - it is one of the extreme areas. Why

meditation? What is it? Could there exist a space-time continuum with

in brain? Is there some unknown link between the inner and the outer

world - inner having the power to modify the outer directly?! Where

motions stop, and time has no meaning - Is that a scientific concept

(as in relativity) or subjective experience (as in meditation)? Where

does all this subjective and objective merge? Where does this

scientific and holistic merge? Where do all these fragments merge into

one - integrating everything! Where is that ONENESS? Are we going to

study (!) it also through classification?! Yes, you are to the path of

spirituality. Dear vinita ji, save this mail (this question and this

answer) separately. This is something special of you. No more answers for some time……… Because I don't have any…………….. But meditate on this for some time…… You will see the light inside....……….. Is that Siva or is that ONE………? Is that whirl or storm inside……..? Is that rhythm or pulsing breath…? Jyotish makes us mad or divine……? Mass destruction sure ensured….! Beware that you have to build…..! Dare to say - you astro fools……. But dare not say – you astro fools…! Things can shine when light comes by…. Inner light of true sun shine……………... Hope and wait for Siva to rise…………. Destroy all for new buildings………...! But all buildings are with out life…... Only souls can view sunlight……….!! Idols are fore mere worship………….. Inner divinity worth pursuit………...! P.S.

Life is not mechanical, so as true astrology. Astrological constructs

are mechanical. So it is worthless with out a true astrologer.

Astrology has two purposes they say – worldly and spiritual. Which one

you choose? How many things you would destroy! Why you always want to

deny things and stand away from the crowd! - 0 -