Exalted Malefics in sensitive Bhavas-all afflicted

July 28, 2009

Dear friend,

Exalted saturn afflicted stongly by 12th lord sun.

Exalted Mars weak due to weakness of saturn and close aspect of Rahu afflicting

it.

Exalted Jupiter's dispositor moon is strongly afflicted by ketu and signlord of

moon is debilited.

When the planets or their sign lords suffer 98% to 100 % aflictions

by the functional malefics

the so called exalted planets

loose their complete strength to

the vicious afflictions by functional malefics/ strong natura malefics.

Additionally as per Kalyan Verma of Saravali

weak sun and afflicted moon ( by ketu) as well as its lord sun under debilition

robs the complete yoga fructificaiton powers of the horoscope.

So (A) weaknes of dispositors

(B) strong afflictions and

robs the strength of the horoscope.

Regards,

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Thanks Renu ji, sure that was a typo! I meant D-1 and D-9.

>

> I hope you see the point now. I can't do a complete chart right now, but you

> can see an important factor.

> Both from Lagna and moon, 11L has gone to 6H of difficulties and in 8H from

> its house. From moon it s also 2L. Whatever the native may have through

> lagna, she may be able to enjoy!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> 2009/7/28 renunw <renunw

>

> >

> > Neelam ji,

> >

> > Thanks for reminding the basics..inexperience makes me forget these things.

> >

> > Yes, in this chart neither any benefic in kendras nor any malefic in 3,6,

> > or 11.

> >

> > I suppose you meant D-1 & D-9, where you get empty kendras in this

> > particular chart.

> >

> > The only Dhana Yoga I can see is the conjunction of LL and 5HL in 2H. LL is

> > retrograde and afflicted by 12HL debilitated Sun too.

> >

> > Even from Moon rashi it is the same combo in 9H.

> >

> > Hence, basically no Dhana yoga activated in this chart.

> >

> > Thanks...each exercise is a learning tool.

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > --- In

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> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renu ji,

> > >

> > > Can you count the Dhan yogas in this chart? Both from lagna and moon?

> > >

> > > Have you noticed the empty kendras, both in D-1 and D-10?

> > >

> > > Basic principles we must not forget, weather exalted or debllitated,

> > > Benefics are not good in 3/6/8/12 and when in these houses, they spoil

> > the

> > > significations of their houses and signs.

> > > Malefics are not good in any house except 3/6/11 and they spoil the

> > > significations of the house they are posited in.

> > > e.g. Mars is a strong malefic (natural as well as functional) in 5H,

> > hence

> > > will be harmful for 5H.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > > 2009/7/28 renunw <renunw@>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji

> > > >

> > > > Sorry... forgot to give birth data.

> > > >

> > > > Natal Chart

> > > >

> > > > November 6, 1954

> > > >

> > > > Time: 4:10:00

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 80 E 02' 00 " , 7 N 28' 00 "

> > > > Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka

> > > >

> > > > blessings,

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > --- In

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> > <%40>,

> >

> > > > " renunw " <renunw@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets, namely....Sa, Ma & Ju and

> > Sun

> > > > debilitated.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between an exalted

> > benefic

> > > > and an exalted malefic. Native has many financial problems.

> > > > >

> > > > > But she has two nice daughters.

> > > > >

> > > > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H.

> > > > >

> > > > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the confinement of her 2nd

> > > > daughter and the result was she could conceive no more. Did exalted

> > Mars in

> > > > 5H do this?

> > > > >

> > > > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct with Sa & Su. Then, Me

> > > > becomes a retrograde malefic. Is that the reason why she is being

> > deprived

> > > > of wealth though Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is

> > placed in

> > > > house of wealth, 2H?

> > > > >

> > > > > Husband owns good property but not interested in improving them. 7HL

> > > > though exalted in 11H, is aspected by exalted Mars. Is this the reason

> > why

> > > > beneficial results from exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars owns

> > 3H &

> > > > 8H, destructive to 2H indications.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is retrograde in 3H.

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the cause of her misfortune...exalted planets aspecting each

> > > > other or Lagna and 9th house lords being retrograde and placed

> > adversely or

> > > > both?

> > > > >

> > > > > blessings,

> > > > >

> > > > > Renu

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

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> > <%40>,

> > > > " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear manoj ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology one of the gr8

> > > > > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i am fan of saiva

> > sidhas

> > > > > > and agastay too )

> > > > > >

> > > > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy brothers pls forgiv

> > me

> > > > > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted planets aspects each

> > other

> > > > > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for Non tamil speaking

> > crowd

> > > > > > )

> > > > > >

> > > > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any charts pls post it and

> > may b

> > > > > > we can see it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

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> > <%40>,

> >

> > > > " sunil nair "

> > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear manoj Ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for ur good words

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in kendras need not

> > spoil

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha maha purusha raja

> > yogas

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted Mars in Lagna and

> > some

> > > > > > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all this is various Maha

> > purusha

> > > > > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont see such planets

> > spoils

> > > > > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv factors r there

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted planets In kendra (

> > like

> > > > > > sat

> > > > > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu in capri ( the 4th

> > House

> > > > > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in kendra is sarpa yoga

> > > > > > according

> > > > > > > to varahamihira )

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very importent things abt the

> > > > > > dictums

> > > > > > > propogated by many that of exalted vakra planets that they behav

> > like

> > > > > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is almost not working any

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > charts )

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

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> > <%40>,

> > > > Manoj Chandran

> > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This example is great in showing us that one factor does not

> > make a

> > > > > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that the whole chart needs

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics say " Retrograde Exalted

> > > > > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated " . This is obviously not

> > true

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > this chart either.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will look in to it closely

> > when I

> > > > > > > find some time.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > renunw renunw@

> > > > > > > > To:

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> > <%40>

> >

> > > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM

> > > > > > > > Re: Exalted Malefics in

> > > > > > sensitive

> > > > > > > Bhavas

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till

> > he

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > 38 yrs old //

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born in 1954 and got married

> > in

> > > > > > 1981,

> > > > > > > means he was 27 years old when he got married.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the educative mail elaborating on

> > > > > > > avasthas and various other factors.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 years of age. You may have

> > > > > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in profession after

> > marriage.

> > > > > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational company, and now holding

> > the

> > > > > > > same position in another company. Holds some important positions

> > in

> > > > > > > various organizations currently.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > blessings,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Renu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil

> > nair "

> > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear renu ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sure thanks

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or malefic

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till

> > he

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > 38

> > > > > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable marriage ( as sat movs slowly

> > only

> > > > > > > and it

> > > > > > > > > is one of his traits )

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more stronger than original one as

> > moon is

> > > > > > > with a

> > > > > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act like Lagna Lord in 9th House

> > and

> > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > House is place of Luck and supporting good traits of 9th

> > House

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was behaving badly during its

> > dasa

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and venus was bala avasta )

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is good ( dont take verbatim )

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered ,that is why i said

> > Placements

> > > > > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects shud b considered along with

> > > > amsa

> > > > > > > .s

> > > > > > > > > for delinating each charts and dasa 's

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will giv some of its traits and

> > > > > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect

> > > > > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th February 1981 [the best

> > thing

> > > > > > > happened

> > > > > > > > > to him...so says his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in

> > 1983

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a

> > number

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > promotions... .. rising to the highest position in his

> > > > > > > > > career.##### #########

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm Lagna and aspected by 2nd

> > Lord

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > is dhana yoga combo

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna Lord aspected By 9th Lord

> > venus

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Any details abt his father ,childhood and also his success in

> > > > > > > profession

> > > > > > > > > b4 and after marriage .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw "

> > > > > > > <renunw@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > They say the birth time could be correct.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The best period in his life had been the exalted vakra

> > malefic

> > > > > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a malefic????? ? [remember

> > Sreenadh

> > > > > > ji

> > > > > > > > > mentioning that no planet is malefic or benefic.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job with the commencement of Sa

> > MD,

> > > > he

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing happened to

> > him..so

> > > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 and 1984 and

> > > > > > > throughout

> > > > > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number of promotions..

> > ..

> > > > > > > rising

> > > > > > > > > to the highest position in his career.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in Mercury-Venus period involving

> > 3rd,

> > > > > > > 6th,

> > > > > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly sicknesses.. .to son and himself.

> > But

> > > > > > now

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > major problem.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's chart though some of you may be

> > > > > > > familiar

> > > > > > > > > with it as we have discussed it under the topic exchange of

> > 5th

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > 7th

> > > > > > > > > lords.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in Colombo, Sri Lanka.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > blessings,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Renu

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil

> > > > nair "

> > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat dasa as vakra malefics dasa was

> > also

> > > > > > > one of

> > > > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > discussion points

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > also let me know how far correct is his birth time as in

> > > > > > navamsa

> > > > > > > > > Lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > changes

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day of marriage and his wife's chart

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > highly

> > > > > > > > > > > appreciable

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " renunw "

> > > > > > > <renunw@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or

> > older

> > > > > > > > > looking or

> > > > > > > > > > > mature partner who is dependable and hence the

> > relationship/

> > > > > > > marriage

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > long lasting?//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a male where Saturn is in Libra 7H.

> > The

> > > > > > wife

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > this person is mature and dependable, but not older

> > looking

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > > older.

> > > > > > > > > > > But she has a well built physique. In fact, she is 5

> > years

> > > > > > > younger

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > this native. They have a very good normal relationship.

> > They

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > married

> > > > > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, let me give you his birth data.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > April 1, 1954

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00

> > > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > blessings,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Renu

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn are

> > > > > > > separative

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > function poorly when placed in the 7th Bhava? But what

> > about

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > > > > malefics are Exalted. Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in

> > > > > > Libra?

> > > > > > > Does

> > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a very confident yet dominant partner

> > and

> > > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Native benefits because he/she is able to deal well with

> > that

> > > > > > > strong

> > > > > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older

> > or

> > > > > > > older

> > > > > > > > > > > looking or mature partner who is dependable and hence the

> > > > > > > > > > > relationship/ marriage is long lasting?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any one have examples of such charts where some

> > one

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > ran/is

> > > > > > > > > > > running the Dasha of such a planet? Any comments?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

July 28, 2009

Very nice explanation Tripathy ji and neelam ji. Your mails are like sheer priceless lessons.Regards, Anita--- On Tue, 28/7/09, Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote:

Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_mrutyunjay Re: Exalted Malefics in sensitive Bhavas-all afflicted Date: Tuesday, 28 July, 2009, 10:32 AM

Dear friend,Exalted saturn afflicted stongly by 12th lord sun.Exalted Mars weak due to weakness of saturn and close aspect of Rahu afflicting it.Exalted Jupiter's dispositor moon is strongly afflicted by ketu and signlord of moon is debilited.When the planets or their sign lords suffer 98% to 100 % aflictionsby the functional maleficsthe so called exalted planets loose their complete strength tothe vicious afflictions by functional malefics/ strong natura malefics.Additionally as per Kalyan Verma of Saravaliweak sun and afflicted moon ( by ketu) as well as its lord sun under debilitionrobs the complete yoga fructificaiton powers of the horoscope.So (A) weaknes of dispositors (B) strong afflictions and© weaknes of both sun and moon and their dispositorsrobs the strength of the horoscope.Regards,Mrutyunjay

Tripathyancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ....> wrote:>> Thanks Renu ji, sure that was a typo! I meant D-1 and D-9.> > I hope you see the point now. I can't do a complete chart right now, but you> can see an important factor.> Both from Lagna and moon, 11L has gone to 6H of difficulties and in 8H from> its house. From moon it s also 2L. Whatever the native may have through> lagna, she may be able to enjoy!> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/7/28 renunw <renunw> > >> >> > Neelam ji,> >> > Thanks for reminding the basics..inexperienc e makes me forget

these things.> >> >> > Yes, in this chart neither any benefic in kendras nor any malefic in 3,6,> > or 11.> >> > I suppose you meant D-1 & D-9, where you get empty kendras in this> > particular chart.> >> > The only Dhana Yoga I can see is the conjunction of LL and 5HL in 2H. LL is> > retrograde and afflicted by 12HL debilitated Sun too.> >> > Even from Moon rashi it is the same combo in 9H.> >> > Hence, basically no Dhana yoga activated in this chart..> >> > Thanks...each exercise is a learning tool.> >> > blessings,> >> > Renu> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Renu ji,> > >> > > Can you count the Dhan yogas in this chart? Both from lagna and moon?> > >> > > Have you noticed the empty kendras, both in D-1 and D-10?> > >> > > Basic principles we must not forget, weather exalted or debllitated,> > > Benefics are not good in 3/6/8/12 and when in these houses, they spoil> > the> > > significations of their houses and signs.> > > Malefics are not good in any house except 3/6/11 and they spoil the> > > significations of the house they are posited in.> > > e.g. Mars is a strong malefic (natural as well as

functional) in 5H,> > hence> > > will be harmful for 5H.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > 2009/7/28 renunw <renunw@>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji> > > >> > > > Sorry... forgot to give birth data.> > > >> > > > Natal Chart> > > >> > > > November 6, 1954> > > >> > > > Time: 4:10:00> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > Place: 80 E 02' 00", 7 N 28' 00"> > > > Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka> > > >> > > > blessings,> > > >> > > > Renu> > > >> > > >> > >

> ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> >> > > > "renunw" <renunw@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji,> > > > >> > > > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets, namely....Sa, Ma & Ju and> > Sun> > > > debilitated.> > > > >> > > > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between an exalted> > benefic> > > > and an exalted malefic. Native has many financial problems.> >

> > >> > > > > But she has two nice daughters.> > > > >> > > > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H.> > > > >> > > > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H.> > > > >> > > > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the confinement of her 2nd> > > > daughter and the result was she could conceive no more. Did exalted> > Mars in> > > > 5H do this?> > > > >> > > > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct with Sa & Su. Then, Me> > > > becomes a retrograde malefic. Is that the reason why she is being> > deprived> > > > of wealth though Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is> > placed in> > > > house of wealth, 2H?> > > > >>

> > > > Husband owns good property but not interested in improving them. 7HL> > > > though exalted in 11H, is aspected by exalted Mars. Is this the reason> > why> > > > beneficial results from exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars owns> > 3H & > > > > 8H, destructive to 2H indications.> > > > >> > > > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is retrograde in 3H.> > > > >> > > > > What is the cause of her misfortune.. .exalted planets aspecting each> > > > other or Lagna and 9th house lords being retrograde and placed> > adversely or> > > > both?> > > > >> > > > > blessings,> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > > >> > >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala @> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > dear manoj ji> > > > > >> > > > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology one of the gr8> > > > > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i am fan of saiva> > sidhas> > > > > > and agastay too )> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > uchan uchane

pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy brothers pls forgiv> > me> > > > > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted planets aspects each> > other> > > > > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for Non tamil speaking> > crowd> > > > > > )> > > > > >> > > > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any charts pls post it and> > may b> > > > > > we can see it> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> >> > > > "sunil nair"> > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala @> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear manoj Ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks for ur good words> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in kendras need not> > spoil> > > > > > that> > > > > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha maha purusha raja> > yogas> > > > > > >> > > > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted Mars in Lagna and> > some> > > >

> > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all this is various Maha> > purusha> > > > > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont see such planets> > spoils> > > > > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv factors r there> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted planets In kendra (> > like> > > > > > sat> > > > > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu in capri ( the 4th> > House> > > > > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in kendra is sarpa yoga> > > > > > according> > > > > > > to varahamihira )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very importent things abt

the> > > > > > dictums> > > > > > > propogated by many that of exalted vakra planets that they behav> > like> > > > > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is almost not working any> > of> > > > the> > > > > > > charts )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > thanks> > > > > > >> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> >

<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > Manoj Chandran> > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This example is great in showing us that one factor does not> > make a> > > > > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that the whole chart needs> > to> > > > be> > > > > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics say "Retrograde Exalted> > > > > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated" . This is obviously not> > true> > > > > > in> > > > > > > this chart either.> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will look in to it closely> > when I> > > > > > > find some time.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > renunw renunw@> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%

40. com>> > <ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> >> > > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM> > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Exalted Malefics in> > > > > > sensitive> > > > > > > Bhavas> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till> > he> > > > > > is> > > > > > > 38 yrs old //> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born in 1954 and got married> > in> > > > >

> 1981,> > > > > > > means he was 27 years old when he got married.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the educative mail elaborating on> > > > > > > avasthas and various other factors.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 years of age. You may have> > > > > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in profession after> > marriage.> > > > > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational company, and now holding> > the> > > > > > > same position in another company. Holds some important positions> > in> > > > > > > various organizations currently.> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > blessings,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil> > nair"> > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear renu ji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sure thanks> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or malefic> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till> > he> > > > >

> is> > > > > > > 38> > > > > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable marriage ( as sat movs slowly> > only> > > > > > > and it> > > > > > > > > is one of his traits )> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more stronger than original one as> > moon is> > > > > > > with a> > > > > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act like Lagna Lord in 9th House> > and> > > > > > > 9th> > > > > > > > > House is place of Luck and supporting good traits of 9th> > House> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was behaving badly during its> > dasa> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and venus was bala avasta )> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is good ( dont take verbatim )> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered ,that is why i said> > Placements> > > > > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects shud b considered

along with> > > > amsa> > > > > > > .s> > > > > > > > > for delinating each charts and dasa 's> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will giv some of its traits and> > > > > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect> > > > > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th February 1981 [the best> > thing> > > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > to him...so says his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in> > 1983> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a> > number> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > >

promotions.. . .. rising to the highest position in his> > > > > > > > > career.##### #########> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm Lagna and aspected by 2nd> > Lord> > > > > > and> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > is dhana yoga combo> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna Lord aspected By 9th Lord> > venus> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Any details abt his father ,childhood and also his success in> > > > > > > profession> > > > > > > > > b4 and after marriage .> > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw"> > > > > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > They say the birth time could be correct.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The best period in his life had been

the exalted vakra> > malefic> > > > > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a malefic????? ? [remember> > Sreenadh> > > > > > ji> > > > > > > > > mentioning that no planet is malefic or benefic.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job with the commencement of Sa> > MD,> > > > he> > > > > > > got> > > > > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing happened to> > him..so> > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 and 1984 and> > > > > > > throughout> > > > > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a

number of promotions..> > ..> > > > > > > rising> > > > > > > > > to the highest position in his career.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in Mercury-Venus period involving> > 3rd,> > > > > > > 6th,> > > > > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly sicknesses.. .to son and himself.> > But> > > > > > now> > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > major problem.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's chart though some of you may be> > > > > > > familiar> > > > > > > > > with it as we have discussed it under the

topic exchange of> > 5th> > > > > > and> > > > > > > 7th> > > > > > > > > lords.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil> > > > nair"> > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat dasa as vakra malefics dasa was> > also> > > > > > > one of> > > > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > > > discussion

points> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > also let me know how far correct is his birth time as in> > > > > > navamsa> > > > > > > > > Lagna> > > > > > > > > > > changes> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day of marriage and his wife's chart> > it> > > > is> > > > > > > > > highly> > > > > > > > > > > appreciable> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com,> > "renunw"> > > > > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or> > older> > > > > > > > > looking or> > > > > > > > > > > mature partner who is dependable and hence the> > relationship/> > > > > > > marriage> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > long lasting?//> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > I have a chart of a male where Saturn is in Libra 7H.> > The> > > > > > wife> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > this person is mature and dependable, but not older> > looking> > > > or> > > > > > > > > older.> > > > > > > > > > > But she has a well built physique. In fact, she is 5> > years> > > > > > > younger> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > this native. They have a very good normal relationship.> > They> > > > > > got> > > > > > > > > married> > > > > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa.> > > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, let me give you his birth data.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > April 1, 1954> > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00> > > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' 00", 6 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > blessings,>

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn are> > > > > > > separative> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > function poorly when placed in the 7th Bhava? But what> > about> > > > > > > when> > > > > > > > > these> > > > > > > > > >

> malefics are Exalted. Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in> > > > > > Libra?> > > > > > > Does> > > > > > > > > Sun> > > > > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a very confident yet dominant partner> > and> > > > > > > hence> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > Native benefits because he/she is able to deal well with> > that> > > > > > > strong> > > > > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older> > or> > > > > > > older> > > > > > > > > > > looking or mature partner who is dependable and hence the> > > > > > > > > > > relationship/

marriage is long lasting?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any one have examples of such charts where some> > one> > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > ran/is> > > > > > > > > > > running the Dasha of such a planet? Any comments?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > >

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