Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Shri Harimallaji, Glad to know that you have the commentary on Vedanga Jyotisha by Somakara with further comments by Dr. Shivaraj Kaudinyayan. Thank you for taking the trouble of giving the address of Chowkhamba Sanskrit PratisthanI know their address as I purchased some books from them on an earlier occasion. To my knowledge Somakara's commentary is only on the Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha (Y-VJ) portion of the Vedanga Jyotisha (VJ) and he has not written any commentary of the Rig Vedanga Jyotisha (R-VJ) portion of VJ. Further to my knowledge Somakara's commentary has a bad name as he was unsuccessful in explaining the verses properly and my understanding is that this commentary is not so ppular. Probably Dr. Shivarajji had explained the verses properly. Though I don't have the book with me at the moment I shall have to request one of my contacts in Delhi to send that same to me but that is going to take some time. Now that you have brought the Somakara's commentary on the picture why don't you quote the first five verses and the last two verses of Y-VJ from the Somakara's book. That itself will help us to sort out the issue. Sincerely, -SKB --- On Wed, 7/29/09, harimalla <harimalla wrote: harimalla <harimalla Re: Rashi in Vedanga Jyotisha Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 12:47 AM Deasr Bhattacharjyaji, The copy of VedangaJyotisham I have, is commented by Somakar who, I am told lived 4oo to 5oo years back.This copy does not contain the verse you have mentioned.You can purchase a copy from Chaukhamba Sankrit pratisthan. This work of Somakar, seems to be the only real proof that the verse you have mentioned was interpolated. The book can be purchased with further comments by Shivaraj Acharya Kaundinnyayan, ph D, D.Litt. Chaukhamba Sankrit pratisthan 38 U. A.Bunglow road, Jawarhar Nagar, PB No. 2113, Delhi 11ooo7 tel.23856391 , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > Dear friends, > > Vedanga Jyotisha mentions Meena Rashi and states > as to how by knowing the positions of Brihaspati in the other rashis one can > calculate the remaining years in a 5-year Yuga. But some lay people may raise the question as to why the Vedanga jyotisha > has mentioned only one rashi and that it not enough to conclude that > Vedanga Jyotisha supports the existence of all the twelve rashis. The answer to that question is that any person knowing > Sanskrit would know that the word " Rashayah " is in plural and that > " Prabhriti Rashayah " in Vedanga Jyotisha refers to the presence of other eleven rashis too, though without naming them. There is no need to > name all the rashis in the text? Vedanga Jyotisha is for the scholars, > who know what the twelve rashis are and it is not for the lay people who > do not know the names of the other eleven rashis. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Shri Harimallaji, You have three options as follows: !) Give the first five verses and the last two verses of the Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha in the Devanagari script as given in the commentary of Somakara. Or 2) If the above is difficult then give the relevant verses in transliteration in Roman script (English) Or 3) Scan the pages containing the relevant verses and put them in the file section and also notify the downloading of the file. t seems some unscrupulous persons like Prashant Pandey had already quoted your mail in another forum. Hence is the urgency to sort out the truth. Sincerely, SKB --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Re: Re: Rashi in Vedanga Jyotisha Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 6:05 PM Shri Harimallaji, Glad to know that you have the commentary on Vedanga Jyotisha by Somakara with further comments by Dr. Shivaraj Kaudinyayan. Thank you for taking the trouble of giving the address of Chowkhamba Sanskrit PratisthanI know their address as I purchased some books from them on an earlier occasion. To my knowledge Somakara's commentary is only on the Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha (Y-VJ) portion of the Vedanga Jyotisha (VJ) and he has not written any commentary of the Rig Vedanga Jyotisha (R-VJ) portion of VJ. Further to my knowledge Somakara's commentary has a bad name as he was unsuccessful in explaining the verses properly and my understanding is that this commentary is not so ppular. Probably Dr. Shivarajji had explained the verses properly. Though I don't have the book with me at the moment I shall have to request one of my contacts in Delhi to send that same to me but that is going to take some time. Now that you have brought the Somakara's commentary on the picture why don't you quote the first five verses and the last two verses of Y-VJ from the Somakara's book. That itself will help us to sort out the issue. Sincerely, -SKB --- On Wed, 7/29/09, harimalla@rocketmai l.com <harimalla@rocketmai l.com> wrote: harimalla@rocketmai l.com <harimalla@rocketmai l.com> Re: Rashi in Vedanga Jyotisha Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 12:47 AM Deasr Bhattacharjyaji, The copy of VedangaJyotisham I have, is commented by Somakar who, I am told lived 4oo to 5oo years back.This copy does not contain the verse you have mentioned.You can purchase a copy from Chaukhamba Sankrit pratisthan. This work of Somakar, seems to be the only real proof that the verse you have mentioned was interpolated. The book can be purchased with further comments by Shivaraj Acharya Kaundinnyayan, ph D, D.Litt. Chaukhamba Sankrit pratisthan 38 U. A.Bunglow road, Jawarhar Nagar, PB No. 2113, Delhi 11ooo7 tel.23856391 , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > Dear friends, > > Vedanga Jyotisha mentions Meena Rashi and states > as to how by knowing the positions of Brihaspati in the other rashis one can > calculate the remaining years in a 5-year Yuga. But some lay people may raise the question as to why the Vedanga jyotisha > has mentioned only one rashi and that it not enough to conclude that > Vedanga Jyotisha supports the existence of all the twelve rashis. The answer to that question is that any person knowing > Sanskrit would know that the word " Rashayah " is in plural and that > " Prabhriti Rashayah " in Vedanga Jyotisha refers to the presence of other eleven rashis too, though without naming them. There is no need to > name all the rashis in the text? Vedanga Jyotisha is for the scholars, > who know what the twelve rashis are and it is not for the lay people who > do not know the names of the other eleven rashis. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Shri Harimallaji, I know you will not be able to substantiate your bogus claim. Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya Re: Re: Rashi in Vedanga Jyotisha Thursday, July 30, 2009, 5:49 PM Shri Harimallaji, You have three options as follows: !) Give the first five verses and the last two verses of the Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha in the Devanagari script as given in the commentary of Somakara. Or 2) If the above is difficult then give the relevant verses in transliteration in Roman script (English) Or 3) Scan the pages containing the relevant verses and put them in the file section and also notify the downloading of the file. t seems some unscrupulous persons like Prashant Pandey had already quoted your mail in another forum. Hence is the urgency to sort out the truth. Sincerely, SKB --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> wrote: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> Re: Re: Rashi in Vedanga Jyotisha Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 6:05 PM Shri Harimallaji, Glad to know that you have the commentary on Vedanga Jyotisha by Somakara with further comments by Dr. Shivaraj Kaudinyayan. Thank you for taking the trouble of giving the address of Chowkhamba Sanskrit PratisthanI know their address as I purchased some books from them on an earlier occasion. To my knowledge Somakara's commentary is only on the Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha (Y-VJ) portion of the Vedanga Jyotisha (VJ) and he has not written any commentary of the Rig Vedanga Jyotisha (R-VJ) portion of VJ. Further to my knowledge Somakara's commentary has a bad name as he was unsuccessful in explaining the verses properly and my understanding is that this commentary is not so ppular. Probably Dr. Shivarajji had explained the verses properly. Though I don't have the book with me at the moment I shall have to request one of my contacts in Delhi to send that same to me but that is going to take some time. Now that you have brought the Somakara's commentary on the picture why don't you quote the first five verses and the last two verses of Y-VJ from the Somakara's book. That itself will help us to sort out the issue. Sincerely, -SKB --- On Wed, 7/29/09, harimalla@rocketmai l.com <harimalla@rocketma i l.com> wrote: harimalla@rocketmai l.com <harimalla@rocketma i l.com> Re: Rashi in Vedanga Jyotisha Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 12:47 AM Deasr Bhattacharjyaji, The copy of VedangaJyotisham I have, is commented by Somakar who, I am told lived 4oo to 5oo years back.This copy does not contain the verse you have mentioned.You can purchase a copy from Chaukhamba Sankrit pratisthan. This work of Somakar, seems to be the only real proof that the verse you have mentioned was interpolated. The book can be purchased with further comments by Shivaraj Acharya Kaundinnyayan, ph D, D.Litt. Chaukhamba Sankrit pratisthan 38 U. A.Bunglow road, Jawarhar Nagar, PB No. 2113, Delhi 11ooo7 tel.23856391 , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > Dear friends, > > Vedanga Jyotisha mentions Meena Rashi and states > as to how by knowing the positions of Brihaspati in the other rashis one can > calculate the remaining years in a 5-year Yuga. But some lay people may raise the question as to why the Vedanga jyotisha > has mentioned only one rashi and that it not enough to conclude that > Vedanga Jyotisha supports the existence of all the twelve rashis. The answer to that question is that any person knowing > Sanskrit would know that the word " Rashayah " is in plural and that > " Prabhriti Rashayah " in Vedanga Jyotisha refers to the presence of other eleven rashis too, though without naming them. There is no need to > name all the rashis in the text? Vedanga Jyotisha is for the scholars, > who know what the twelve rashis are and it is not for the lay people who > do not know the names of the other eleven rashis. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Shri Harimallaji, I don't enter into any blind deal of any kind with anybody. All issues are decided on merit. Truth is never to be bargained with anything. You substantiate what you said. Why are unable to give the first five verses and the last two verses of the Yajur Vedanga jyotisha if you really got the Somaakra's original commentary? If you do not want to give the verses I shall myselg give those verses on receiving the gook. Hope it is clear to you. Sincerely, SKB --- On Fri, 7/31/09, harimalla <harimalla wrote: harimalla <harimalla Re: Rashi in Vedanga Jyotisha Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 7:12 PM Dear Bhattacharjyaji,Namaskar!If claim is substantiated, do you agreee to accept the most reasonable proposal of coordinated system of calendar reform? If this system is not acceptable to you, can you give an alternative proposal?Shall it be a deal,so you do not make excuses to run away from the hard facts, towards the end.Thank you,Regards,Hari Malla, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:>> Shri Harimallaji,> > I know you will not be able to substantiate your bogus claim.> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> > > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a> Re: Re: Rashi in Vedanga Jyotisha> > Thursday, July 30, 2009, 5:49 PM> > > > > > > Shri Harimallaji,> > You have three options as follows:> > !)> > Give the first five verses and the last two verses of the Yajur Vedanga> Jyotisha in the Devanagari script as given in the commentary of> Somakara. > > Or> > 2)> > If the above is difficult then give the relevant verses in transliteration in Roman script (English) > > Or> > 3)> > Scan the pages containing the relevant verses and put them in the file section and also notify the downloading of the file.> > t seems some unscrupulous persons like Prashant Pandey had already> quoted your mail in another forum. Hence is the urgency to sort out the> truth.> > Sincerely,> > SKB> > --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @> wrote:> > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @>> Re: Re: Rashi in Vedanga Jyotisha> > Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 6:05 PM> > > > Shri Harimallaji,> > Glad to know that you have the commentary on Vedanga Jyotisha by Somakara with further comments by Dr. Shivaraj Kaudinyayan. Thank you for taking the trouble of giving the address of Chowkhamba Sanskrit PratisthanI know their address as I purchased some books from them on an earlier occasion. To my knowledge Somakara's commentary is only on the Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha (Y-VJ) portion of the Vedanga Jyotisha (VJ) and he has not written any commentary of the Rig Vedanga Jyotisha (R-VJ) portion of VJ. Further to my knowledge Somakara's commentary has a bad name as he was unsuccessful in explaining the verses properly and my understanding is that this commentary is not so ppular. Probably Dr. Shivarajji had explained the verses properly. > > Though I don't have the book with me at the moment I shall have to request one of my contacts in Delhi to send that same to me but that is going to take some time. Now that you have brought the Somakara's commentary on the picture why don't you quote the first five verses and the last two verses of Y-VJ from the Somakara's book. That itself will help us to sort out the issue.> > Sincerely,> > -SKB> > --- On Wed, 7/29/09, harimalla@rocketmai l.com <harimalla@rocketma i l.com> wrote:> > harimalla@rocketmai l.com <harimalla@rocketma i l.com>> > Re: Rashi in Vedanga Jyotisha> > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 12:47 AM> > > > Deasr Bhattacharjyaji,> > The copy of VedangaJyotisham I have, is commented by Somakar who, I am told lived 4oo to 5oo years back.This copy does not contain the verse you have mentioned.You can purchase a copy from > > Chaukhamba Sankrit pratisthan. This work of Somakar, seems to be the only real proof that the verse you have mentioned was interpolated. The book can be purchased with further comments by Shivaraj Acharya Kaundinnyayan, ph D, D.Litt. > > Chaukhamba Sankrit pratisthan> > 38 U. A.Bunglow road, Jawarhar Nagar,> > PB No. 2113, Delhi 11ooo7> > tel.23856391> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> > >> > > Dear friends,> > > > > > Vedanga Jyotisha mentions Meena Rashi and states> > > as to how by knowing the positions of Brihaspati in the other rashis one can> > > calculate the remaining years in a 5-year Yuga. But some lay people may raise the question as to why the Vedanga jyotisha> > > has mentioned only one rashi and that it not enough to conclude that> > > Vedanga Jyotisha supports the existence of all the twelve rashis. The answer to that question is that any person knowing> > > Sanskrit would know that the word "Rashayah"is in plural and that> > > "Prabhriti Rashayah" in Vedanga Jyotisha refers to the presence of other eleven rashis too, though without naming them. There is no need to> > > name all the rashis in the text? Vedanga Jyotisha is for the scholars,> > > who know what the twelve rashis are and it is not for the lay people who> > > do not know the names of the other eleven rashis. > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Shri Harimallaji, What excuses are you talking about? Can you give any precedent? In fact I was wondering as to why were you sleeping so long as the topic of the Rashi has been going on for quite sometime. It started with the Rashi verse quoted by Sheenadhji in his mail. Have you seen the Vedanga Jyotisha translated by Mahamahopadhyaya Dr.R. Shama Shastri. Dr. Shama Sastri has the reputation of discovering the Kautilya's Artha shastra also from a rare manuscript. Sincerely, SKB --- On Fri, 7/31/09, harimalla <harimalla wrote: harimalla <harimalla Re: Rashi in Vedanga Jyotisha Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 10:12 PM Dear Bhattacharjyaji,It was my reply to you since you said I would not be able to substantiate it.If you are for the truth, you will get it, but you may have to wait a while.But when it comes, please no more excuses. It will also serve us to draw more conclusions. Let us pursue the truth relentlessly. Thank you.Regards,Hari malla, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:>> Shri Harimallaji,> > I don't enter into any blind deal of any kind with anybody. All issues are decided on merit. Truth is never to be bargained with anything. You substantiate what you said. Why are unable to give the first five verses and the last two verses of the Yajur Vedanga jyotisha if you really got the Somaakra's original commentary? If you do not want to give the verses I shall myselg give those verses on receiving the gook. Hope it is clear to you.> > Sincerely,> > SKB> > > > > --- On Fri, 7/31/09, harimalla@.. . <harimalla@. ..> wrote:> > > harimalla@.. . <harimalla@. ..>> Re: Rashi in Vedanga Jyotisha> > Friday, July 31, 2009, 7:12 PM> > > > > > > Dear Bhattacharjyaji,> Namaskar!If claim is substantiated, do you agreee to accept the most reasonable proposal of coordinated system of calendar reform? If this system is not acceptable to you, can you give an alternative proposal?> Shall it be a deal,so you do not make excuses to run away from the hard facts, towards the end.Thank you,> Regards,> Hari Malla> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> >> > Shri Harimallaji,> > > > I know you will not be able to substantiate your bogus claim.> > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> > > > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a> > Re: Re: Rashi in Vedanga Jyotisha> > > > Thursday, July 30, 2009, 5:49 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri Harimallaji,> > > > You have three options as follows:> > > > !)> > > > Give the first five verses and the last two verses of the Yajur Vedanga> > Jyotisha in the Devanagari script as given in the commentary of> > Somakara. > > > > Or> > > > 2)> > > > If the above is difficult then give the relevant verses in transliteration in Roman script (English) > > > > Or> > > > 3)> > > > Scan the pages containing the relevant verses and put them in the file section and also notify the downloading of the file.> > > > t seems some unscrupulous persons like Prashant Pandey had already> > quoted your mail in another forum. Hence is the urgency to sort out the> > truth.> > > > Sincerely,> > > > SKB> > > > --- On Wed, 7/29/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @> wrote:> > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a @>> > Re: Re: Rashi in Vedanga Jyotisha> > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 6:05 PM> > > > > > > > Shri Harimallaji,> > > > Glad to know that you have the commentary on Vedanga Jyotisha by Somakara with further comments by Dr. Shivaraj Kaudinyayan. Thank you for taking the trouble of giving the address of Chowkhamba Sanskrit PratisthanI know their address as I purchased some books from them on an earlier occasion. To my knowledge Somakara's commentary is only on the Yajur Vedanga Jyotisha (Y-VJ) portion of the Vedanga Jyotisha (VJ) and he has not written any commentary of the Rig Vedanga Jyotisha (R-VJ) portion of VJ. Further to my knowledge Somakara's commentary has a bad name as he was unsuccessful in explaining the verses properly and my understanding is that this commentary is not so ppular. Probably Dr. Shivarajji had explained the verses properly. > > > > Though I don't have the book with me at the moment I shall have to request one of my contacts in Delhi to send that same to me but that is going to take some time. Now that you have brought the Somakara's commentary on the picture why don't you quote the first five verses and the last two verses of Y-VJ from the Somakara's book. That itself will help us to sort out the issue.> > > > Sincerely,> > > > -SKB> > > > --- On Wed, 7/29/09, harimalla@rocketmai l.com <harimalla@rocketma i l.com> wrote:> > > > harimalla@rocketmai l.com <harimalla@rocketma i l.com>> > > > Re: Rashi in Vedanga Jyotisha> > > > > > > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 12:47 AM> > > > > > > > Deasr Bhattacharjyaji,> > > > The copy of VedangaJyotisham I have, is commented by Somakar who, I am told lived 4oo to 5oo years back.This copy does not contain the verse you have mentioned.You can purchase a copy from > > > > Chaukhamba Sankrit pratisthan. This work of Somakar, seems to be the only real proof that the verse you have mentioned was interpolated. The book can be purchased with further comments by Shivaraj Acharya Kaundinnyayan, ph D, D.Litt. > > > > Chaukhamba Sankrit pratisthan> > > > 38 U. A.Bunglow road, Jawarhar Nagar,> > > > PB No. 2113, Delhi 11ooo7> > > > tel.23856391> > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear friends,> > > > > > > > > > Vedanga Jyotisha mentions Meena Rashi and states> > > > > as to how by knowing the positions of Brihaspati in the other rashis one can> > > > > calculate the remaining years in a 5-year Yuga. But some lay people may raise the question as to why the Vedanga jyotisha> > > > > has mentioned only one rashi and that it not enough to conclude that> > > > > Vedanga Jyotisha supports the existence of all the twelve rashis. The answer to that question is that any person knowing> > > > > Sanskrit would know that the word "Rashayah"is in plural and that> > > > > "Prabhriti Rashayah" in Vedanga Jyotisha refers to the presence of other eleven rashis too, though without naming them. There is no need to> > > > > name all the rashis in the text? Vedanga Jyotisha is for the scholars,> > > > > who know what the twelve rashis are and it is not for the lay people who> > > > > do not know the names of the other eleven rashis. > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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