Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Very Good mail. Shabhaash. Bhaskar. , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy " <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote: > > Dear friend, > > In most of the valuable text of religion, philosophy and jyotish, > > > the authors declares thieir text > > to be sacred, secret > > > to induce the feeling of sincere urge towards learning. > > Even BPHS ( all versions) > > says > > " the Vidya of Jyotish need not be offered to the disbeliever > > - which might result in day by day increase in the misery of > > the guru " > > the quote is > > " Na dadayat para shishyaya datte dukha dine dine " . > > > Similarly all the Yoga Asanas, Pranayam literatures like > > 'Yoga Vashishta' > > " Hatha Yoga Pradipika' etc. > > were till now highly guarded secret > > untill the courageious and noble minded > > sage Baba Ram Dev unfolded these secrets before the public > > for their overall benefit. > > So dissemination of correct knowledge requires the > > strength of character > > and mastery over these knowledge by > > the native and > > project/ disseminate these knowledge before public > > so that > > the secret knowledge is misused to the minimal. > > For example Baba Ram Dev Jee teaches us > > Pranayam for healthy living... > > > but seldom He is going to teach the public > > how to live for Hundered Years > > without food and water... > > > although the same may already be a part of His acquired/ experienced > > wisdom ! > > > So masters of the Jaimini System > > should come forward with disclosure of that > > much of undisputed and established wisdom > > within minimal chances of misuse... > > > as the secrets of " Hatha Yoga Pradipika " and > > " Pranayam Rahashya " and " Yoga Vashishta " etc. > > were demonstrated by Baba Ram Dev Jee before the masses. > > Only positve contributions to society like Baba Ram Dev > > can show that we are the true disciple/ learner of our > > secret wisdoms. Baba Ram Dev never argued over correctness of > > Asansa or Pranayam technique with anybody. > > Never quoted classics...to justify his technique. > > They are open for public. Anyone can replicate them. Test them. > > Hope lots of positive contirbutions on Jyotish come forward > > from the reverend Masters/ Disciples of the Jaimini > > System/ Traditions of Jyotish. > > Regards, > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > , " Sreenadh " sreesog@ wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > Below is an informative post by teli Shanmukha. Please note that he is the same person who maintains the astrology blog on Jaimini system at: http://sutramritam.blogspot.com/ He is connected to SJC and Sanjay Rath and is an Electronics Engineer working in reputed scientific organization in India. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > vedic astrology , teli Shanmukha <teli_sha2002@> wrote: > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > Namaste Sri Narasimha, > > > > Please go through the following. > > > > You Wrote : Though Some people believe that the keys to Jaimini’s cryptic teachings lie with some secret paramparas, it is a questionable belief. > > > > I beg to differ in this issue. It is not a belief, but a fact. I have ample references to support that this system has been a secret and I have provided them in a couple of instances earlier. When Somanatha Mishra writes in his Kalpalatha that this Jaimini system is a secret one, do you think or understand that he is lying? If you think so, it is really an indological view. When Somanatha Mishra writes that the calculation of the rasi dasas was clearly explained in Mula Sasthra by Kalidasa and Krishna Mishra writes he wrote this science based on Sarvajna Muni commentary of Jaimini, is it they are lying or Are we blind enough?. Somanatha or whoever the commentator writes something on Jaimini and declares this as a Secret science, they mean it and they want to state the factual issue. You can check out even the very recent commentator like Durga Prasada Dvivedi, the author of Jaimini Padyamritam, verbally declares the view of Vriddha Karika on Argala is > > secret. The same is the case with the Raghava Bhatta. So, it is not a belief but a fact. All these commentators do write to educate and enrich our knowledge, not to bluff nor wrote for fear of some learned scholar questions their writing in future. > > > > Before answering and at least considering the points above, declaring at you will the above things are simple beliefs is regretted. > > > > You wrote: Some more people believe that keys to Jaimini’s cryptic teachings lie in some commentaries by scholars such as Neelakantha, Raghava Bhatta, Nrisimha Suri etc. that too a questionable belief. The caliber and reliability of these not-so-ancient scholars, who came during an interesting period in Indian astrology and astronomy, is unclear. > > > > Alas, as somebody pointed out, you are axing anything and everything. To judge one’s caliber and reliability on the basis of their period of existence is very dogmatic. It is no problem if you try to understand anything with an independent interpretation. But, if you axe any knowledge on Jaimini to prove your point is highly questionable. Do believe whatever you want, but don’t propagate these not so factual issues. > > > > Can you tell me the period of Krishna Mishra or the most ancient literature available on Jaimini Vaanchanaathiyam? Can you tell me how pious or bad living they had? Is it somebody becomes not intelligent or great by their period. What nonsense is this? Do you mean the medieval people are not reliable? In fact, it is for their invaluable service, we have all these ancient knowledge survived. They devoted their families to protect the ancient manuscripts to the possible extent from the non-hindu invaders. > > > > Yes, we all believe and venerate Sage Parasara. Yet, we never know whether the author of the present available BPHS is the puranic Sage Parasara. Try to find out the period of Krishna Mishra, who is definitely after Varahamihira as he declares that he is Raj Jyotish of Vikramaditya, so that we can decide how ancient he was. > > > > Do you believe if I say there are some commentaries which explain the applicability of Rasi dasas based on the yoga on the horoscope? Can you show me the instance in BHPS which explain Rasi dasa applicability? If not how can we conclude that BPHS is the most reliable and final authority on Jaimini pointers? As you always points out, we don’t have these many dasas without a purpose. I agree that PHPS holds valuable information on Astrology, but kindly remember it as a compendium. The real clue to the Jaimini lies in Bhashyas (commentaries) not in BPHS. Why Raghava Bhatta interpretation of Arudha Padas and dasa years and calculation of Hora, Ghatika Lagna endorsed by Nadi work like Chandra Kala Nadi. And that has been used by scholars in Andhra Pradesh for centuries? Are they blind to this so called Bible of Astrology BPHS. It is like the famous dialog in Kanyasulkam play “Anni Vedallone Unnaishaâ€. > > > > One final question. Kindly state, at least according to humble knowledge, which one is the Parasara authored text from the following list. > > > > > > BPHS compiled by Sitaram Jha > > BPHS compiled by Devaki Chandra Jha > > BPHS compiled by Sridhara Pandita > > PHPS compiled by Ganesha Datta Pathak > > BPHS commented by Girish Chandra Sharma > > BPHS commented by Santaanam and others > > BPHS commented by Madhura Krishna Murthy > > > > Of course, the above list is not comprehensive and do feel free to state if any other BPHS version, is the real one authored by Sage Parasara. > > > > Why I write all this is for I know how much I respect and believe in you. If I read your recent views I might someday believe what preach is correct. You have been and are a most influential person to me and so are to most of students here. > > > > I end this mail with a note that Jaimini not being cryptic. It is Amrita, the sacred nectar and if you really try for this you will get it. That’s why my Guru named his commentary “Jaimini Sutramritamâ€. As long as we long for a simple honey or sugar cane juice, we never feel the nectar. My personal request and humble submission to you that please read the other valuable information on Jaimini along with BPHS to understand this science, else it would be a futile attempt, however the sincere it be. > > > > Regards, > > Shanmukha > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Dear Mrutyunjay Tripathy, As you are aware There is fundamental difference between Sutra and other literature. Sacredness and secretness went together in past and nothing has changed . In recent past V Ramamurty ,Who was a shrutidhar learnt jaimini from Varanshi but could not find a single person fit to receive/pass on Sutra knowledge.This is not so with compilations attributed in name of Rsi for they have very general purpose to help mankind . Sruti smriti and sutra have different dimensions and can they be equated? This is here I feel we need discrimination. with regards RCS , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy " <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote: > > Dear friend, > > In most of the valuable text of religion, philosophy and jyotish, > > > the authors declares thieir text > > to be sacred, secret > > > to induce the feeling of sincere urge towards learning. > > Even BPHS ( all versions) > > says > > " the Vidya of Jyotish need not be offered to the disbeliever > > - which might result in day by day increase in the misery of > > the guru " > > the quote is > > " Na dadayat para shishyaya datte dukha dine dine " . > > > Similarly all the Yoga Asanas, Pranayam literatures like > > 'Yoga Vashishta' > > " Hatha Yoga Pradipika' etc. > > were till now highly guarded secret > > untill the courageious and noble minded > > sage Baba Ram Dev unfolded these secrets before the public > > for their overall benefit. > > So dissemination of correct knowledge requires the > > strength of character > > and mastery over these knowledge by > > the native and > > project/ disseminate these knowledge before public > > so that > > the secret knowledge is misused to the minimal. > > For example Baba Ram Dev Jee teaches us > > Pranayam for healthy living... > > > but seldom He is going to teach the public > > how to live for Hundered Years > > without food and water... > > > although the same may already be a part of His acquired/ experienced > > wisdom ! > > > So masters of the Jaimini System > > should come forward with disclosure of that > > much of undisputed and established wisdom > > within minimal chances of misuse... > > > as the secrets of " Hatha Yoga Pradipika " and > > " Pranayam Rahashya " and " Yoga Vashishta " etc. > > were demonstrated by Baba Ram Dev Jee before the masses. > > Only positve contributions to society like Baba Ram Dev > > can show that we are the true disciple/ learner of our > > secret wisdoms. Baba Ram Dev never argued over correctness of > > Asansa or Pranayam technique with anybody. > > Never quoted classics...to justify his technique. > > They are open for public. Anyone can replicate them. Test them. > > Hope lots of positive contirbutions on Jyotish come forward > > from the reverend Masters/ Disciples of the Jaimini > > System/ Traditions of Jyotish. > > Regards, > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > Below is an informative post by teli Shanmukha. Please note that he is the same person who maintains the astrology blog on Jaimini system at: http://sutramritam.blogspot.com/ He is connected to SJC and Sanjay Rath and is an Electronics Engineer working in reputed scientific organization in India. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > vedic astrology , teli Shanmukha <teli_sha2002@> wrote: > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > Namaste Sri Narasimha, > > > > Please go through the following. > > > > You Wrote : Though Some people believe that the keys to Jaimini’s cryptic teachings lie with some secret paramparas, it is a questionable belief. > > > > I beg to differ in this issue. It is not a belief, but a fact. I have ample references to support that this system has been a secret and I have provided them in a couple of instances earlier. When Somanatha Mishra writes in his Kalpalatha that this Jaimini system is a secret one, do you think or understand that he is lying? If you think so, it is really an indological view. When Somanatha Mishra writes that the calculation of the rasi dasas was clearly explained in Mula Sasthra by Kalidasa and Krishna Mishra writes he wrote this science based on Sarvajna Muni commentary of Jaimini, is it they are lying or Are we blind enough?. Somanatha or whoever the commentator writes something on Jaimini and declares this as a Secret science, they mean it and they want to state the factual issue. You can check out even the very recent commentator like Durga Prasada Dvivedi, the author of Jaimini Padyamritam, verbally declares the view of Vriddha Karika on Argala is > > secret. The same is the case with the Raghava Bhatta. So, it is not a belief but a fact. All these commentators do write to educate and enrich our knowledge, not to bluff nor wrote for fear of some learned scholar questions their writing in future. > > > > Before answering and at least considering the points above, declaring at you will the above things are simple beliefs is regretted. > > > > You wrote: Some more people believe that keys to Jaimini’s cryptic teachings lie in some commentaries by scholars such as Neelakantha, Raghava Bhatta, Nrisimha Suri etc. that too a questionable belief. The caliber and reliability of these not-so-ancient scholars, who came during an interesting period in Indian astrology and astronomy, is unclear. > > > > Alas, as somebody pointed out, you are axing anything and everything. To judge one’s caliber and reliability on the basis of their period of existence is very dogmatic. It is no problem if you try to understand anything with an independent interpretation. But, if you axe any knowledge on Jaimini to prove your point is highly questionable. Do believe whatever you want, but don’t propagate these not so factual issues. > > > > Can you tell me the period of Krishna Mishra or the most ancient literature available on Jaimini Vaanchanaathiyam? Can you tell me how pious or bad living they had? Is it somebody becomes not intelligent or great by their period. What nonsense is this? Do you mean the medieval people are not reliable? In fact, it is for their invaluable service, we have all these ancient knowledge survived. They devoted their families to protect the ancient manuscripts to the possible extent from the non-hindu invaders. > > > > Yes, we all believe and venerate Sage Parasara. Yet, we never know whether the author of the present available BPHS is the puranic Sage Parasara. Try to find out the period of Krishna Mishra, who is definitely after Varahamihira as he declares that he is Raj Jyotish of Vikramaditya, so that we can decide how ancient he was. > > > > Do you believe if I say there are some commentaries which explain the applicability of Rasi dasas based on the yoga on the horoscope? Can you show me the instance in BHPS which explain Rasi dasa applicability? If not how can we conclude that BPHS is the most reliable and final authority on Jaimini pointers? As you always points out, we don’t have these many dasas without a purpose. I agree that PHPS holds valuable information on Astrology, but kindly remember it as a compendium. The real clue to the Jaimini lies in Bhashyas (commentaries) not in BPHS. Why Raghava Bhatta interpretation of Arudha Padas and dasa years and calculation of Hora, Ghatika Lagna endorsed by Nadi work like Chandra Kala Nadi. And that has been used by scholars in Andhra Pradesh for centuries? Are they blind to this so called Bible of Astrology BPHS. It is like the famous dialog in Kanyasulkam play “Anni Vedallone Unnaishaâ€. > > > > One final question. Kindly state, at least according to humble knowledge, which one is the Parasara authored text from the following list. > > > > > > BPHS compiled by Sitaram Jha > > BPHS compiled by Devaki Chandra Jha > > BPHS compiled by Sridhara Pandita > > PHPS compiled by Ganesha Datta Pathak > > BPHS commented by Girish Chandra Sharma > > BPHS commented by Santaanam and others > > BPHS commented by Madhura Krishna Murthy > > > > Of course, the above list is not comprehensive and do feel free to state if any other BPHS version, is the real one authored by Sage Parasara. > > > > Why I write all this is for I know how much I respect and believe in you. If I read your recent views I might someday believe what preach is correct. You have been and are a most influential person to me and so are to most of students here. > > > > I end this mail with a note that Jaimini not being cryptic. It is Amrita, the sacred nectar and if you really try for this you will get it. That’s why my Guru named his commentary “Jaimini Sutramritamâ€. As long as we long for a simple honey or sugar cane juice, we never feel the nectar. My personal request and humble submission to you that please read the other valuable information on Jaimini along with BPHS to understand this science, else it would be a futile attempt, however the sincere it be. > > > > Regards, > > Shanmukha > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Dear Srivastava ji, well said we need discrimination..... Love and regards, gopi. , "R.C.Srivastava" <swami.rcs wrote:>> Dear Mrutyunjay Tripathy,> As you are aware There is fundamental difference between Sutra and other literature.> Sacredness and secretness went together in past and nothing has changed . In recent past V Ramamurty ,Who was a shrutidhar learnt jaimini from Varanshi but could not find a single person fit to receive/pass on Sutra knowledge.This is not so with compilations attributed in name of Rsi for they have very general purpose to help mankind .> Sruti smriti and sutra have different dimensions and can they be equated? This is here I feel we need discrimination.> with regards> > RCS> > > , "Mrutyunjay Tripathy" astrologer_mrutyunjay@ wrote:> >> > Dear friend,> > > > In most of the valuable text of religion, philosophy and jyotish,> > > > > > the authors declares thieir text > > > > to be sacred, secret> > > > > > to induce the feeling of sincere urge towards learning.> > > > Even BPHS ( all versions)> > > > says> > > > "the Vidya of Jyotish need not be offered to the disbeliever> > > > - which might result in day by day increase in the misery of> > > > the guru"> > > > the quote is> > > > " Na dadayat para shishyaya datte dukha dine dine".> > > > > > Similarly all the Yoga Asanas, Pranayam literatures like> > > > 'Yoga Vashishta'> > > > "Hatha Yoga Pradipika' etc.> > > > were till now highly guarded secret> > > > untill the courageious and noble minded > > > > sage Baba Ram Dev unfolded these secrets before the public> > > > for their overall benefit.> > > > So dissemination of correct knowledge requires the > > > > strength of character> > > > and mastery over these knowledge by > > > > the native and > > > > project/ disseminate these knowledge before public> > > > so that> > > > the secret knowledge is misused to the minimal.> > > > For example Baba Ram Dev Jee teaches us > > > > Pranayam for healthy living...> > > > > > but seldom He is going to teach the public> > > > how to live for Hundered Years > > > > without food and water...> > > > > > although the same may already be a part of His acquired/ experienced> > > > wisdom !> > > > > > So masters of the Jaimini System > > > > should come forward with disclosure of that > > > > much of undisputed and established wisdom> > > > within minimal chances of misuse...> > > > > > as the secrets of "Hatha Yoga Pradipika" and > > > > "Pranayam Rahashya" and "Yoga Vashishta" etc.> > > > were demonstrated by Baba Ram Dev Jee before the masses.> > > > Only positve contributions to society like Baba Ram Dev> > > > can show that we are the true disciple/ learner of our> > > > secret wisdoms. Baba Ram Dev never argued over correctness of> > > > Asansa or Pranayam technique with anybody.> > > > Never quoted classics...to justify his technique.> > > > They are open for public. Anyone can replicate them. Test them.> > > > Hope lots of positive contirbutions on Jyotish come forward> > > > from the reverend Masters/ Disciples of the Jaimini> > > > System/ Traditions of Jyotish.> > > > Regards,> > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy> > > > , "Sreenadh" <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > > Below is an informative post by teli Shanmukha. Please note that he is the same person who maintains the astrology blog on Jaimini system at: http://sutramritam.blogspot.com/ He is connected to SJC and Sanjay Rath and is an Electronics Engineer working in reputed scientific organization in India.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > vedic astrology , teli Shanmukha <teli_sha2002@> wrote:> > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya> > > > > > Namaste Sri Narasimha,> > > > > > Please go through the following.> > > > > > You Wrote : Though Some people believe that the keys to Jaimini’s cryptic teachings lie with some secret paramparas, it is a questionable belief.> > > > > > I beg to differ in this issue. It is not a belief, but a fact. I have ample references to support that this system has been a secret and I have provided them in a couple of instances earlier. When Somanatha Mishra writes in his Kalpalatha that this Jaimini system is a secret one, do you think or understand that he is lying? If you think so, it is really an indological view. When Somanatha Mishra writes that the calculation of the rasi dasas was clearly explained in Mula Sasthra by Kalidasa and Krishna Mishra writes he wrote this science based on Sarvajna Muni commentary of Jaimini, is it they are lying or Are we blind enough?. Somanatha or whoever the commentator writes something on Jaimini and declares this as a Secret science, they mean it and they want to state the factual issue. You can check out even the very recent commentator like Durga Prasada Dvivedi, the author of Jaimini Padyamritam, verbally declares the view of Vriddha Karika on Argala is> > > secret. The same is the case with the Raghava Bhatta. So, it is not a belief but a fact. All these commentators do write to educate and enrich our knowledge, not to bluff nor wrote for fear of some learned scholar questions their writing in future.> > > > > > Before answering and at least considering the points above, declaring at you will the above things are simple beliefs is regretted.> > > > > > You wrote: Some more people believe that keys to Jaimini’s cryptic teachings lie in some commentaries by scholars such as Neelakantha, Raghava Bhatta, Nrisimha Suri etc. that too a questionable belief. The caliber and reliability of these not-so-ancient scholars, who came during an interesting period in Indian astrology and astronomy, is unclear.> > > > > > Alas, as somebody pointed out, you are axing anything and everything. To judge one’s caliber and reliability on the basis of their period of existence is very dogmatic. It is no problem if you try to understand anything with an independent interpretation. But, if you axe any knowledge on Jaimini to prove your point is highly questionable. Do believe whatever you want, but don’t propagate these not so factual issues.> > > > > > Can you tell me the period of Krishna Mishra or the most ancient literature available on Jaimini Vaanchanaathiyam? Can you tell me how pious or bad living they had? Is it somebody becomes not intelligent or great by their period. What nonsense is this? Do you mean the medieval people are not reliable? In fact, it is for their invaluable service, we have all these ancient knowledge survived. They devoted their families to protect the ancient manuscripts to the possible extent from the non-hindu invaders.> > > > > > Yes, we all believe and venerate Sage Parasara. Yet, we never know whether the author of the present available BPHS is the puranic Sage Parasara. Try to find out the period of Krishna Mishra, who is definitely after Varahamihira as he declares that he is Raj Jyotish of Vikramaditya, so that we can decide how ancient he was.> > > > > > Do you believe if I say there are some commentaries which explain the applicability of Rasi dasas based on the yoga on the horoscope? Can you show me the instance in BHPS which explain Rasi dasa applicability? If not how can we conclude that BPHS is the most reliable and final authority on Jaimini pointers? As you always points out, we don’t have these many dasas without a purpose. I agree that PHPS holds valuable information on Astrology, but kindly remember it as a compendium. The real clue to the Jaimini lies in Bhashyas (commentaries) not in BPHS. Why Raghava Bhatta interpretation of Arudha Padas and dasa years and calculation of Hora, Ghatika Lagna endorsed by Nadi work like Chandra Kala Nadi. And that has been used by scholars in Andhra Pradesh for centuries? Are they blind to this so called Bible of Astrology BPHS. It is like the famous dialog in Kanyasulkam play “Anni Vedallone Unnaishaâ€.> > > > > > One final question. Kindly state, at least according to humble knowledge, which one is the Parasara authored text from the following list.> > > > > > > > > BPHS compiled by Sitaram Jha> > > BPHS compiled by Devaki Chandra Jha> > > BPHS compiled by Sridhara Pandita> > > PHPS compiled by Ganesha Datta Pathak> > > BPHS commented by Girish Chandra Sharma> > > BPHS commented by Santaanam and others> > > BPHS commented by Madhura Krishna Murthy> > > > > > Of course, the above list is not comprehensive and do feel free to state if any other BPHS version, is the real one authored by Sage Parasara.> > > > > > Why I write all this is for I know how much I respect and believe in you. If I read your recent views I might someday believe what preach is correct. You have been and are a most influential person to me and so are to most of students here.> > > > > > I end this mail with a note that Jaimini not being cryptic. It is Amrita, the sacred nectar and if you really try for this you will get it. That’s why my Guru named his commentary “Jaimini Sutramritamâ€. As long as we long for a simple honey or sugar cane juice, we never feel the nectar. My personal request and humble submission to you that please read the other valuable information on Jaimini along with BPHS to understand this science, else it would be a futile attempt, however the sincere it be.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Shanmukha> > > > > > --- End forwarded message ---> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Namaste All, Yes, we need to discriminate between them. It is a must that Sruti be given the prime importance over Smriti. It is been the tradition. I want to add only one point. The ancient commentators of Jaimini declared that Jaimini system itself was a Secret System, not their commentaries. What Vemuri Ramasastri did to his collection of manuscripts is a conspiracy. Yet, Even my Guru was also a victim of mischief by the cunning sishyas. Somehow, this happens to this wonderful Jaimini system and IMHO, this may be one of the reason why this system has been a Secret for centuries. I believe Jaimini needs to be explored a lot since it is lost for centuries, then only one can test its efficacy without consulting ancient classics. For example, the primary concepts in Jaimini like Argala needs to explored at lot, which is the snapshot method of predicting the Rajayoga on the horoscope. Regards, Shanmukha , " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927 wrote: > > > Dear Srivastava ji, > > well said we need discrimination..... > > Love and regards, > > gopi. > , " R.C.Srivastava " > <swami.rcs@> wrote: > > > > Dear Mrutyunjay Tripathy, > > As you are aware There is fundamental difference between Sutra and > other literature. > > Sacredness and secretness went together in past and nothing has > changed . In recent past V Ramamurty ,Who was a shrutidhar learnt > jaimini from Varanshi but could not find a single person fit to > receive/pass on Sutra knowledge.This is not so with compilations > attributed in name of Rsi for they have very general purpose to help > mankind . > > Sruti smriti and sutra have different dimensions and can they be > equated? This is here I feel we need discrimination. > > with regards > > > > RCS > > > > > > , " Mrutyunjay Tripathy " > astrologer_mrutyunjay@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > In most of the valuable text of religion, philosophy and jyotish, > > > > > > > > > the authors declares thieir text > > > > > > to be sacred, secret > > > > > > > > > to induce the feeling of sincere urge towards learning. > > > > > > Even BPHS ( all versions) > > > > > > says > > > > > > " the Vidya of Jyotish need not be offered to the disbeliever > > > > > > - which might result in day by day increase in the misery of > > > > > > the guru " > > > > > > the quote is > > > > > > " Na dadayat para shishyaya datte dukha dine dine " . > > > > > > > > > Similarly all the Yoga Asanas, Pranayam literatures like > > > > > > 'Yoga Vashishta' > > > > > > " Hatha Yoga Pradipika' etc. > > > > > > were till now highly guarded secret > > > > > > untill the courageious and noble minded > > > > > > sage Baba Ram Dev unfolded these secrets before the public > > > > > > for their overall benefit. > > > > > > So dissemination of correct knowledge requires the > > > > > > strength of character > > > > > > and mastery over these knowledge by > > > > > > the native and > > > > > > project/ disseminate these knowledge before public > > > > > > so that > > > > > > the secret knowledge is misused to the minimal. > > > > > > For example Baba Ram Dev Jee teaches us > > > > > > Pranayam for healthy living... > > > > > > > > > but seldom He is going to teach the public > > > > > > how to live for Hundered Years > > > > > > without food and water... > > > > > > > > > although the same may already be a part of His acquired/ experienced > > > > > > wisdom ! > > > > > > > > > So masters of the Jaimini System > > > > > > should come forward with disclosure of that > > > > > > much of undisputed and established wisdom > > > > > > within minimal chances of misuse... > > > > > > > > > as the secrets of " Hatha Yoga Pradipika " and > > > > > > " Pranayam Rahashya " and " Yoga Vashishta " etc. > > > > > > were demonstrated by Baba Ram Dev Jee before the masses. > > > > > > Only positve contributions to society like Baba Ram Dev > > > > > > can show that we are the true disciple/ learner of our > > > > > > secret wisdoms. Baba Ram Dev never argued over correctness of > > > > > > Asansa or Pranayam technique with anybody. > > > > > > Never quoted classics...to justify his technique. > > > > > > They are open for public. Anyone can replicate them. Test them. > > > > > > Hope lots of positive contirbutions on Jyotish come forward > > > > > > from the reverend Masters/ Disciples of the Jaimini > > > > > > System/ Traditions of Jyotish. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Below is an informative post by teli Shanmukha. Please note that > he is the same person who maintains the astrology blog on Jaimini system > at: http://sutramritam.blogspot.com/ He is connected to SJC and Sanjay > Rath and is an Electronics Engineer working in reputed scientific > organization in India. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , teli Shanmukha > <teli_sha2002@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > Namaste Sri Narasimha, > > > > > > > > Please go through the following. > > > > > > > > You Wrote : Though Some people believe that the keys to > Jaimini’s cryptic teachings lie with some secret paramparas, it > is a questionable belief. > > > > > > > > I beg to differ in this issue. It is not a belief, but a fact. I > have ample references to support that this system has been a secret and > I have provided them in a couple of instances earlier. When Somanatha > Mishra writes in his Kalpalatha that this Jaimini system is a secret > one, do you think or understand that he is lying? If you think so, it is > really an indological view. When Somanatha Mishra writes that the > calculation of the rasi dasas was clearly explained in Mula Sasthra by > Kalidasa and Krishna Mishra writes he wrote this science based on > Sarvajna Muni commentary of Jaimini, is it they are lying or Are we > blind enough?. Somanatha or whoever the commentator writes something on > Jaimini and declares this as a Secret science, they mean it and they > want to state the factual issue. You can check out even the very recent > commentator like Durga Prasada Dvivedi, the author of Jaimini > Padyamritam, verbally declares the view of Vriddha Karika on Argala is > > > > secret. The same is the case with the Raghava Bhatta. So, it is > not a belief but a fact. All these commentators do write to educate and > enrich our knowledge, not to bluff nor wrote for fear of some learned > scholar questions their writing in future. > > > > > > > > Before answering and at least considering the points above, > declaring at you will the above things are simple beliefs is regretted. > > > > > > > > You wrote: Some more people believe that keys to Jaimini’s > cryptic teachings lie in some commentaries by scholars such as > Neelakantha, Raghava Bhatta, Nrisimha Suri etc. that too a questionable > belief. The caliber and reliability of these not-so-ancient scholars, > who came during an interesting period in Indian astrology and astronomy, > is unclear. > > > > > > > > Alas, as somebody pointed out, you are axing anything and > everything. To judge one’s caliber and reliability on the basis > of their period of existence is very dogmatic. It is no problem if you > try to understand anything with an independent interpretation. But, if > you axe any knowledge on Jaimini to prove your point is highly > questionable. Do believe whatever you want, but don’t propagate > these not so factual issues. > > > > > > > > Can you tell me the period of Krishna Mishra or the most ancient > literature available on Jaimini Vaanchanaathiyam? Can you tell me how > pious or bad living they had? Is it somebody becomes not intelligent or > great by their period. What nonsense is this? Do you mean the medieval > people are not reliable? In fact, it is for their invaluable service, we > have all these ancient knowledge survived. They devoted their families > to protect the ancient manuscripts to the possible extent from the > non-hindu invaders. > > > > > > > > Yes, we all believe and venerate Sage Parasara. Yet, we never know > whether the author of the present available BPHS is the puranic Sage > Parasara. Try to find out the period of Krishna Mishra, who is > definitely after Varahamihira as he declares that he is Raj Jyotish of > Vikramaditya, so that we can decide how ancient he was. > > > > > > > > Do you believe if I say there are some commentaries which explain > the applicability of Rasi dasas based on the yoga on the horoscope? Can > you show me the instance in BHPS which explain Rasi dasa applicability? > If not how can we conclude that BPHS is the most reliable and final > authority on Jaimini pointers? As you always points out, we don’t > have these many dasas without a purpose. I agree that PHPS holds > valuable information on Astrology, but kindly remember it as a > compendium. The real clue to the Jaimini lies in Bhashyas (commentaries) > not in BPHS. Why Raghava Bhatta interpretation of Arudha Padas and dasa > years and calculation of Hora, Ghatika Lagna endorsed by Nadi work like > Chandra Kala Nadi. And that has been used by scholars in Andhra Pradesh > for centuries? Are they blind to this so called Bible of Astrology BPHS. > It is like the famous dialog in Kanyasulkam play “Anni Vedallone > Unnaishaâ€. > > > > > > > > One final question. Kindly state, at least according to humble > knowledge, which one is the Parasara authored text from the following > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > BPHS compiled by Sitaram Jha > > > > BPHS compiled by Devaki Chandra Jha > > > > BPHS compiled by Sridhara Pandita > > > > PHPS compiled by Ganesha Datta Pathak > > > > BPHS commented by Girish Chandra Sharma > > > > BPHS commented by Santaanam and others > > > > BPHS commented by Madhura Krishna Murthy > > > > > > > > Of course, the above list is not comprehensive and do feel free to > state if any other BPHS version, is the real one authored by Sage > Parasara. > > > > > > > > Why I write all this is for I know how much I respect and believe > in you. If I read your recent views I might someday believe what preach > is correct. You have been and are a most influential person to me and so > are to most of students here. > > > > > > > > I end this mail with a note that Jaimini not being cryptic. It is > Amrita, the sacred nectar and if you really try for this you will get > it. That’s why my Guru named his commentary “Jaimini > Sutramritamâ€. As long as we long for a simple honey or sugar cane > juice, we never feel the nectar. My personal request and humble > submission to you that please read the other valuable information on > Jaimini along with BPHS to understand this science, else it would be a > futile attempt, however the sincere it be. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Shanmukha > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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