Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Manoj, Even I get Scorpio lagna for this lady. But tell me is it possible for a person born in Chicago, USA and another person born in Delhi, India at the same time to get the same lagna? If you change the place of birth in the given data, from Chicago to Delhi, you still get Scorpio lagna rising. Please clarify....I am confused. blessings, Renu , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear All, > > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance). This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source. > > Natal Chart > Date: May 8, 1954 > Time: 19:40:00 > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) > Place: 87 W 39' 00 " , 41 N 51' 00 " > Chicago, Illinois, USA > Altitude: 596.00 meters > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left) > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa) > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left) > Sunrise: 5:43:28 > Sunset: 19:51:13 > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36 > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession. > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it. > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9. > > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!! > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H. > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra. > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > > > > ________________________________ > Sreenadh <sreesog > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM > Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji, > In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that " Lagna lord is placed in lagna " , and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by " lagna lord in lagna " and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by " 8th lord in lagna in own house " . Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - " since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana) " . > The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong. > > > > with regards, > > S.R.Balasubramaniam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi. blessings, Renu , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear All, > > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance). This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source. > > Natal Chart > Date: May 8, 1954 > Time: 19:40:00 > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) > Place: 87 W 39' 00 " , 41 N 51' 00 " > Chicago, Illinois, USA > Altitude: 596.00 meters > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left) > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa) > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left) > Sunrise: 5:43:28 > Sunset: 19:51:13 > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36 > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession. > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it. > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9. > > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!! > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H. > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra. > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > > > > ________________________________ > Sreenadh <sreesog > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM > Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji, > In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that " Lagna lord is placed in lagna " , and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by " lagna lord in lagna " and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by " 8th lord in lagna in own house " . Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - " since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana) " . > The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong. > > > > with regards, > > S.R.Balasubramaniam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear all, More examples of my clients having 8th lord in 8th house. August 16, 1977 Time: 18:35:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 76 E 56' 00 " , 15 N 30' 00 " This person is in foreign country. Makar Lagna, sun in 8th house with mercury (9L) & moon. Recently his father died in Mars\mercury antardasa. ----------------- December 16, 1975 Time: 13:43:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 76 E 36' 00 " , 28 N 15' 00 " Meena Lagna with venus in 8th house with rahu. A Guiness book record horder and many limca book record holder. This person has very good artistic abilities. Now Rahu\venus is running and his name and fame is increasing many fold day by day. -------------- June 22, 1979 Time: 16:50:08 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 74 E 30' 00 " , 26 N 06' 00 " Scorpio Lagna, mercury in 8th house with sun. This person is too much disturbed in job, his father met the fatal accident in Rahu\rahu, after that he has to face all responsibilities. ------------- Thanking you, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear All, > > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance). This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source. > > Natal Chart > Date: May 8, 1954 > Time: 19:40:00 > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) > Place: 87 W 39' 00 " , 41 N 51' 00 " > Chicago, Illinois, USA > Altitude: 596.00 meters > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left) > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa) > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left) > Sunrise: 5:43:28 > Sunset: 19:51:13 > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36 > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession. > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it. > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9. > > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!! > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H. > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra. > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > > > > ________________________________ > Sreenadh <sreesog > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM > Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji, > In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that " Lagna lord is placed in lagna " , and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by " lagna lord in lagna " and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by " 8th lord in lagna in own house " . Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - " since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana) " . > The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong. > > > > with regards, > > S.R.Balasubramaniam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear All, Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna. Natal Chart May 8, 1954Time: 19:40:00Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00" Chicago, Illinois, USATithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left) Sunrise: 5:43:28Sunset: 19:51:13Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15Sidereal Time: 9:54:36 Regards, -Manoj renunw <renunw Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Manoj ji,A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > Natal Chart> May 8, 1954> Time: 19:40:00> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> Chicago, Illinois, USA> Altitude: 596.00 meters> Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> Sunrise: 5:43:28> Sunset: 19:51:13> Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sreenadh <sreesog >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)".> The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> >> > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> >> > with regards,> > S.R.Balasubramaniam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear All, Correct planetary positions should look like this: Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 22 Li 28' 15.04" Visa 1 Li ArSun - AmK 24 Ar 38' 46.21" Bhar 4 Ar ScMoon - MK 16 Cn 02' 45.40" Push 4 Cn ScMars - PiK 14 Sg 04' 38.63" PSha 1 Sg LeMercury - AK 24 Ar 44' 18.29" Bhar 4 Ar ScJupiter - DK 3 Ge 37' 23.23" Mrig 4 Ge ScVenus - BK 19 Ta 06' 33.28" Rohi 3 Ta GeSaturn ® - PK 11 Li 53' 46.33" Swat 2 Li CpRahu - GK 23 Sg 23' 35.62" PSha 4 Sg ScKetu 23 Ge 23' 35.62" Puna 2 Ge TaMaandi 11 Ta 06' 45.46" Rohi 1 Ta ArGulika 24 Ar 05' 16.95" Bhar 4 Ar Sc Regards, -Manoj Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:26:03 PMRe: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear All, Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna. Natal Chart May 8, 1954Time: 19:40:00Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00" Chicago, Illinois, USATithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left) Sunrise: 5:43:28Sunset: 19:51:13Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15Sidereal Time: 9:54:36 Regards, -Manoj renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Manoj ji,A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > Natal Chart> May 8, 1954> Time: 19:40:00> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> Chicago, Illinois, USA> Altitude: 596.00 meters> Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> Sunrise: 5:43:28> Sunset: 19:51:13> Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sreenadh <sreesog >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)".> The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> >> > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> >> > with regards,> > S.R.Balasubramaniam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Goel ji and Respected group members, How would be the results for Saggitarius lagna and Moon in Cancer in own house (8th) along with Saturn. Would in this case Saturn provide longetivity and mystic qualities? Will moon give the results of being Swagrahi or this combination is an exception? June 19, 1977 Time: 18:57 Time Zone: +5:30 (East of GMT) Co ordinates: 23°19′N 75°04′E Current Mahadasha: Ketu (in 4th house) regards Roshan Vijay Goel <goyalvj Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 8:11:52 AM Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear all,More examples of my clients having 8th lord in 8th house.August 16, 1977Time: 18:35:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 76 E 56' 00", 15 N 30' 00"This person is in foreign country.Makar Lagna, sun in 8th house with mercury (9L) & moon.Recently his father died in Mars\mercury antardasa.------------ -----December 16, 1975Time: 13:43:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 76 E 36' 00", 28 N 15' 00"Meena Lagna with venus in 8th house with rahu.A Guiness book record horder and many limca book record holder.This person has very good artistic abilities.Now Rahu\venus is running and his name and fame is increasing many fold day by day.------------ --June 22, 1979Time: 16:50:08Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 74 E 30' 00", 26 N 06' 00"Scorpio Lagna, mercury in 8th house with sun.This person is too much disturbed in job, his father met the fatal accident in Rahu\rahu, after that he has to face all responsibilities.------------ -Thanking you,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur.ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > Natal Chart> May 8, 1954> Time: 19:40:00> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> Chicago, Illinois, USA> Altitude: 596.00 meters> Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> Sunrise: 5:43:28> Sunset: 19:51:13> Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sreenadh <sreesog >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)".> The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> >> > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> >> > with regards,> > S.R.Balasubramaniam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear learned members of the forum, If I am correct we are not analyzing the charts, but like to learn what happens to the native if 8th lord is in 8th, or lagna lord is in 8th or 8th lord is in lagna. Regards.--- On Thu, 8/6/09, rossin ucile <kandisa_ur wrote: rossin ucile <kandisa_urRe: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 11:20 AM Dear Goel ji and Respected group members, How would be the results for Saggitarius lagna and Moon in Cancer in own house (8th) along with Saturn. Would in this case Saturn provide longetivity and mystic qualities? Will moon give the results of being Swagrahi or this combination is an exception? June 19, 1977 Time: 18:57 Time Zone: +5:30 (East of GMT) Co ordinates: 23°19′N 75°04′E Current Mahadasha: Ketu (in 4th house) regards Roshan Vijay Goel <goyalvj Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 8:11:52 AM Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear all,More examples of my clients having 8th lord in 8th house.August 16, 1977Time: 18:35:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 76 E 56' 00", 15 N 30' 00"This person is in foreign country.Makar Lagna, sun in 8th house with mercury (9L) & moon.Recently his father died in Mars\mercury antardasa.------------ -----December 16, 1975Time: 13:43:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 76 E 36' 00", 28 N 15' 00"Meena Lagna with venus in 8th house with rahu.A Guiness book record horder and many limca book record holder.This person has very good artistic abilities.Now Rahu\venus is running and his name and fame is increasing many fold day by day.------------ --June 22, 1979Time: 16:50:08Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 74 E 30' 00", 26 N 06' 00"Scorpio Lagna, mercury in 8th house with sun.This person is too much disturbed in job, his father met the fatal accident in Rahu\rahu, after that he has to face all responsibilities.------------ -Thanking you,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur.ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > Natal Chart> May 8, 1954> Time: 19:40:00> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> Chicago, Illinois, USA> Altitude: 596.00 meters> Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> Sunrise: 5:43:28> Sunset: 19:51:13> Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sreenadh <sreesog >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)".> The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> >> > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> >> > with regards,> > S.R.Balasubramaniam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Kursija Ji, You are absolutely correct. We dont analyze personal charts in this group. We only offer such charts only as examples for specific combination. Even in that case we only look at that specific combinations. The only reason I presented that chart was because it was an example of Dasha of 8L in 8H that showed its effects quite dramatically. Regards, -Manoj S.C. Kursija <sckursija Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 11:31:48 PMRe: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear learned members of the forum, If I am correct we are not analyzing the charts, but like to learn what happens to the native if 8th lord is in 8th, or lagna lord is in 8th or 8th lord is in lagna. Regards.--- On Thu, 8/6/09, rossin ucile <kandisa_ur > wrote: rossin ucile <kandisa_ur >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, August 6, 2009, 11:20 AM Dear Goel ji and Respected group members, How would be the results for Saggitarius lagna and Moon in Cancer in own house (8th) along with Saturn. Would in this case Saturn provide longetivity and mystic qualities? Will moon give the results of being Swagrahi or this combination is an exception? June 19, 1977 Time: 18:57 Time Zone: +5:30 (East of GMT) Co ordinates: 23°19′N 75°04′E Current Mahadasha: Ketu (in 4th house) regards Roshan Vijay Goel <goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, August 6, 2009 8:11:52 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear all,More examples of my clients having 8th lord in 8th house.August 16, 1977Time: 18:35:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 76 E 56' 00", 15 N 30' 00"This person is in foreign country.Makar Lagna, sun in 8th house with mercury (9L) & moon.Recently his father died in Mars\mercury antardasa.------------ -----December 16, 1975Time: 13:43:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 76 E 36' 00", 28 N 15' 00"Meena Lagna with venus in 8th house with rahu.A Guiness book record horder and many limca book record holder.This person has very good artistic abilities.Now Rahu\venus is running and his name and fame is increasing many fold day by day.------------ --June 22, 1979Time: 16:50:08Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 74 E 30' 00", 26 N 06' 00"Scorpio Lagna, mercury in 8th house with sun.This person is too much disturbed in job, his father met the fatal accident in Rahu\rahu, after that he has to face all responsibilities.------------ -Thanking you,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur.ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > Natal Chart> May 8, 1954> Time: 19:40:00> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> Chicago, Illinois, USA> Altitude: 596.00 meters> Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> Sunrise: 5:43:28> Sunset: 19:51:13> Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sreenadh <sreesog >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)".> The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> >> > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> >> > with regards,> > S.R.Balasubramaniam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Respected Gurujans, Well my father has Rahu in 8th house , n in Rahu dasha he was quite sucessful (wit little ups n downs) His Birth Details r 19-08-1947 time is 11.05am place is Dehradun--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 5:40 AM Dear All, Correct planetary positions should look like this: Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 22 Li 28' 15.04" Visa 1 Li ArSun - AmK 24 Ar 38' 46.21" Bhar 4 Ar ScMoon - MK 16 Cn 02' 45.40" Push 4 Cn ScMars - PiK 14 Sg 04' 38.63" PSha 1 Sg LeMercury - AK 24 Ar 44' 18.29" Bhar 4 Ar ScJupiter - DK 3 Ge 37' 23.23" Mrig 4 Ge ScVenus - BK 19 Ta 06' 33.28" Rohi 3 Ta GeSaturn ® - PK 11 Li 53' 46.33" Swat 2 Li CpRahu - GK 23 Sg 23' 35.62" PSha 4 Sg ScKetu 23 Ge 23' 35.62" Puna 2 Ge TaMaandi 11 Ta 06' 45.46" Rohi 1 Ta ArGulika 24 Ar 05' 16.95" Bhar 4 Ar Sc Regards, -Manoj Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, August 5, 2009 10:26:03 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear All, Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna. Natal Chart May 8, 1954Time: 19:40:00Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00" Chicago, Illinois, USATithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left) Sunrise: 5:43:28Sunset: 19:51:13Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15Sidereal Time: 9:54:36 Regards, -Manoj renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Manoj ji,A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > Natal Chart> May 8, 1954> Time: 19:40:00> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> Chicago, Illinois, USA> Altitude: 596.00 meters> Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> Sunrise: 5:43:28> Sunset: 19:51:13> Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sreenadh <sreesog >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)".> The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> >> > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> >> > with regards,> > S.R.Balasubramaniam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 8th lord has its own unexpected untoward events sudden in life it should be never forgotten whatever satisfying varga benefic etc etc does not help whatever it is see the stars in zodiac 8th house scorpios stars jupiter 4th pads mars and raghu bukthis , saturn and mercury stars 10,11, and mercury 3,6 house mercury stars both or not good as 6th and 11th padhakas it is a double sided coin the untoward event defnitely always for good forthcoming but as expected in later date i have rishbha lagna jupiter in lagna dot deg every time jupiter give me in bukthi and antharas untoward unexpected events in star very bad negative in the due course for a big benefit i have observed it is a turning point see the 6 7 8 house are tangential line and from next to 8th 9,10,11th house of zodiac from danus is a upward line and trend in life 8th house isa climax in everthing give sharp change in line of life it is exact climax every bhava is good and bad of the otherside counting from other bhavas for a nagative events sairaman--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Date: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 12:15 PM Dear Kursija Ji, You are absolutely correct. We dont analyze personal charts in this group. We only offer such charts only as examples for specific combination. Even in that case we only look at that specific combinations. The only reason I presented that chart was because it was an example of Dasha of 8L in 8H that showed its effects quite dramatically. Regards, -Manoj S.C. Kursija <sckursija >ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, August 5, 2009 11:31:48 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear learned members of the forum, If I am correct we are not analyzing the charts, but like to learn what happens to the native if 8th lord is in 8th, or lagna lord is in 8th or 8th lord is in lagna. Regards.--- On Thu, 8/6/09, rossin ucile <kandisa_ur > wrote: rossin ucile <kandisa_ur >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, August 6, 2009, 11:20 AM Dear Goel ji and Respected group members, How would be the results for Saggitarius lagna and Moon in Cancer in own house (8th) along with Saturn. Would in this case Saturn provide longetivity and mystic qualities? Will moon give the results of being Swagrahi or this combination is an exception? June 19, 1977 Time: 18:57 Time Zone: +5:30 (East of GMT) Co ordinates: 23°19′N 75°04′E Current Mahadasha: Ketu (in 4th house) regards Roshan Vijay Goel <goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, August 6, 2009 8:11:52 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear all,More examples of my clients having 8th lord in 8th house.August 16, 1977Time: 18:35:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 76 E 56' 00", 15 N 30' 00"This person is in foreign country.Makar Lagna, sun in 8th house with mercury (9L) & moon.Recently his father died in Mars\mercury antardasa.------------ -----December 16, 1975Time: 13:43:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 76 E 36' 00", 28 N 15' 00"Meena Lagna with venus in 8th house with rahu.A Guiness book record horder and many limca book record holder.This person has very good artistic abilities.Now Rahu\venus is running and his name and fame is increasing many fold day by day.------------ --June 22, 1979Time: 16:50:08Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 74 E 30' 00", 26 N 06' 00"Scorpio Lagna, mercury in 8th house with sun.This person is too much disturbed in job, his father met the fatal accident in Rahu\rahu, after that he has to face all responsibilities.------------ -Thanking you,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur.ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > Natal Chart> May 8, 1954> Time: 19:40:00> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> Chicago, Illinois, USA> Altitude: 596.00 meters> Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> Sunrise: 5:43:28> Sunset: 19:51:13> Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sreenadh <sreesog >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)".> The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> >> > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> >> > with regards,> > S.R.Balasubramaniam> Looking for local information? Find it on Local Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Virmani ji i am getting Libra lagna and rahu in 7th House aries am i missing some thing here ? also pls giv us the co ordinates of the place Dehradune too rgrds sunil nair , Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 wrote:>> Respected Gurujans,> > Well my father has Rahu in 8th house , n in Rahu dasha he was quite sucessful (wit little ups n downs) His Birth Details r 19-08-1947 time is 11.05am place is Dehradun> > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj wrote:> > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj Re: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 5:40 AM> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > Correct planetary positions should look like this:> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> Lagna 22 Li 28' 15.04" Visa 1 Li Ar> Sun - AmK 24 Ar 38' 46.21" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> Moon - MK 16 Cn 02' 45.40" Push 4 Cn Sc> Mars - PiK 14 Sg 04' 38.63" PSha 1 Sg Le> Mercury - AK 24 Ar 44' 18.29" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> Jupiter - DK 3 Ge 37' 23.23" Mrig 4 Ge Sc> Venus - BK 19 Ta 06' 33.28" Rohi 3 Ta Ge> Saturn ® - PK 11 Li 53' 46.33" Swat 2 Li Cp> Rahu - GK 23 Sg 23' 35.62" PSha 4 Sg Sc> Ketu 23 Ge 23' 35.62" Puna 2 Ge Ta> Maandi 11 Ta 06' 45.46" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> Gulika 24 Ar 05' 16.95" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:26:03 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. > > If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna.> > Natal Chart> May 8, 1954> Time: 19:40:00> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> Chicago, Illinois, USA> Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> Sunrise: 5:43:28> Sunset: 19:51:13> Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15> Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > > > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago > 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.> > blessings,> > Renu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > > > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > > > Natal Chart> > May 8, 1954> > Time: 19:40:00> > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> > Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> > Chicago, Illinois, USA> > Altitude: 596.00 meters> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> > Sunrise: 5:43:28> > Sunset: 19:51:13> > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > > > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > > > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Sreenadh sreesog@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> > In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)".> > The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > >> > > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> > >> > > with regards,> > > S.R.Balasubramaniam> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Respected Sunil g , Yes it is Libra lagna Long:78E02"00,Lat:30N19"00 Time zone:-5:30:00--- On Thu, 8/6/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:35 AM Dear Virmani ji i am getting Libra lagna and rahu in 7th House aries am i missing some thing here ? also pls giv us the co ordinates of the place Dehradune too rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Gurujans,> > Well my father has Rahu in 8th house , n in Rahu dasha he was quite sucessful (wit little ups n downs) His Birth Details r 19-08-1947 time is 11.05am place is Dehradun> > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote:> > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ...> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, August 6, 2009, 5:40 AM> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > Correct planetary positions should look like this:> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> Lagna 22 Li 28' 15.04" Visa 1 Li Ar> Sun - AmK 24 Ar 38' 46.21" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> Moon - MK 16 Cn 02' 45.40" Push 4 Cn Sc> Mars - PiK 14 Sg 04' 38.63" PSha 1 Sg Le> Mercury - AK 24 Ar 44' 18.29" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> Jupiter - DK 3 Ge 37' 23.23" Mrig 4 Ge Sc> Venus - BK 19 Ta 06' 33.28" Rohi 3 Ta Ge> Saturn ® - PK 11 Li 53' 46.33" Swat 2 Li Cp> Rahu - GK 23 Sg 23' 35.62" PSha 4 Sg Sc> Ketu 23 Ge 23' 35.62" Puna 2 Ge Ta> Maandi 11 Ta 06' 45.46" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> Gulika 24 Ar 05' 16.95" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:26:03 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. > > If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna.> > Natal Chart> May 8, 1954> Time: 19:40:00> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> Chicago, Illinois, USA> Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> Sunrise: 5:43:28> Sunset: 19:51:13> Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15> Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > > > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago > 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.> > blessings,> > Renu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > > > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > > > Natal Chart> > May 8, 1954> > Time: 19:40:00> > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> > Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> > Chicago, Illinois, USA> > Altitude: 596.00 meters> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> > Sunrise: 5:43:28> > Sunset: 19:51:13> > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > > > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > > > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Sreenadh sreesog@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> > In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)".> > The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > >> > > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> > >> > > with regards,> > > S.R.Balasubramaniam> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > http://mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Kursija ji and Manoj ji, Humble greetings. With reference to the below mail, I believe that the query posted by me follows the parameter we are talking about; 8th lord in eighth house. the reason of raising this query is that some astrologers believe that Moon in his own house in 8th does not give the results of being in own rashi. You may definitely decide not to respond to that, however the direct remark of "discussing personal horoscopes" is a bit far. Thanks and regards Roshan S.C. Kursija <sckursija Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 10:31:48 AMRe: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear learned members of the forum, If I am correct we are not analyzing the charts, but like to learn what happens to the native if 8th lord is in 8th, or lagna lord is in 8th or 8th lord is in lagna. Regards.--- On Thu, 8/6/09, rossin ucile <kandisa_ur > wrote: rossin ucile <kandisa_ur >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, August 6, 2009, 11:20 AM Dear Goel ji and Respected group members, How would be the results for Saggitarius lagna and Moon in Cancer in own house (8th) along with Saturn. Would in this case Saturn provide longetivity and mystic qualities? Will moon give the results of being Swagrahi or this combination is an exception? June 19, 1977 Time: 18:57 Time Zone: +5:30 (East of GMT) Co ordinates: 23°19′N 75°04′E Current Mahadasha: Ketu (in 4th house) regards Roshan Vijay Goel <goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, August 6, 2009 8:11:52 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear all,More examples of my clients having 8th lord in 8th house.August 16, 1977Time: 18:35:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 76 E 56' 00", 15 N 30' 00"This person is in foreign country.Makar Lagna, sun in 8th house with mercury (9L) & moon.Recently his father died in Mars\mercury antardasa.------------ -----December 16, 1975Time: 13:43:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 76 E 36' 00", 28 N 15' 00"Meena Lagna with venus in 8th house with rahu.A Guiness book record horder and many limca book record holder.This person has very good artistic abilities.Now Rahu\venus is running and his name and fame is increasing many fold day by day.------------ --June 22, 1979Time: 16:50:08Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 74 E 30' 00", 26 N 06' 00"Scorpio Lagna, mercury in 8th house with sun.This person is too much disturbed in job, his father met the fatal accident in Rahu\rahu, after that he has to face all responsibilities.------------ -Thanking you,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur.ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > Natal Chart> May 8, 1954> Time: 19:40:00> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> Chicago, Illinois, USA> Altitude: 596.00 meters> Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> Sunrise: 5:43:28> Sunset: 19:51:13> Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sreenadh <sreesog >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)".> The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> >> > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> >> > with regards,> > S.R.Balasubramaniam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Mohit ji Then how it will b applicable in tread being discussed any way thanks for giving a chart and results of rahu dasa rgrds sunil nair , Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 wrote:>> Respected Sunil g ,> > Yes it is Libra lagna Long:78E02"00,Lat:30N19"00 Time zone:-5:30:00> > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:35 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Virmani ji > > i am getting Libra lagna and rahu in 7th House aries > > am i missing some thing here ? also pls giv us the co ordinates of the place Dehradune too > > rgrds sunil nair > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> >> > Respected Gurujans,> > > > Well my father has Rahu in 8th house , n in Rahu dasha he was quite sucessful (wit little ups n downs) His Birth Details r 19-08-1947 time is 11.05am place is Dehradun> > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 5:40 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > Correct planetary positions should look like this:> > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > Lagna 22 Li 28' 15.04" Visa 1 Li Ar> > Sun - AmK 24 Ar 38' 46.21" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > Moon - MK 16 Cn 02' 45.40" Push 4 Cn Sc> > Mars - PiK 14 Sg 04' 38.63" PSha 1 Sg Le> > Mercury - AK 24 Ar 44' 18.29" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > Jupiter - DK 3 Ge 37' 23.23" Mrig 4 Ge Sc> > Venus - BK 19 Ta 06' 33.28" Rohi 3 Ta Ge> > Saturn ® - PK 11 Li 53' 46.33" Swat 2 Li Cp> > Rahu - GK 23 Sg 23' 35.62" PSha 4 Sg Sc> > Ketu 23 Ge 23' 35.62" Puna 2 Ge Ta> > Maandi 11 Ta 06' 45.46" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> > Gulika 24 Ar 05' 16.95" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > > > > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:26:03 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. > > > > If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna.> > > > Natal Chart> > May 8, 1954> > Time: 19:40:00> > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> > Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> > Chicago, Illinois, USA> > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> > Sunrise: 5:43:28> > Sunset: 19:51:13> > Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15> > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > > > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago > > 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.> > > > blessings,> > > > Renu> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > > > > > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > > > > > Natal Chart> > > May 8, 1954> > > Time: 19:40:00> > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> > > Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> > > Chicago, Illinois, USA> > > Altitude: 596.00 meters> > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> > > Sunrise: 5:43:28> > > Sunset: 19:51:13> > > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > > > > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > > > > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > > > > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > > > > > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > > > > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > > > > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > > > > > Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Sreenadh sreesog@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> > > In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)".> > > The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > >> > > > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> > > >> > > > with regards,> > > > S.R.Balasubramaniam> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > http://mail. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Roshan Ji, //the reason of raising this query is that some astrologers believe that Moon in his own house in 8th does not give the results of being in own rashi.// Thanks for clarifying your question with more specifics. I have never heard of this dictum? I have only heard of the dictum that the luminaries (Sun and Moon) are not considered as malefic due to their 8L status? So may be some one from the group knows more about this? Regards, -Manoj rossin ucile <kandisa_ur Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 3:18:47 AMRe: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Kursija ji and Manoj ji, Humble greetings. With reference to the below mail, I believe that the query posted by me follows the parameter we are talking about; 8th lord in eighth house. the reason of raising this query is that some astrologers believe that Moon in his own house in 8th does not give the results of being in own rashi. You may definitely decide not to respond to that, however the direct remark of "discussing personal horoscopes" is a bit far. Thanks and regards Roshan S.C. Kursija <sckursija >ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, August 6, 2009 10:31:48 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear learned members of the forum, If I am correct we are not analyzing the charts, but like to learn what happens to the native if 8th lord is in 8th, or lagna lord is in 8th or 8th lord is in lagna. Regards.--- On Thu, 8/6/09, rossin ucile <kandisa_ur > wrote: rossin ucile <kandisa_ur >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, August 6, 2009, 11:20 AM Dear Goel ji and Respected group members, How would be the results for Saggitarius lagna and Moon in Cancer in own house (8th) along with Saturn. Would in this case Saturn provide longetivity and mystic qualities? Will moon give the results of being Swagrahi or this combination is an exception? June 19, 1977 Time: 18:57 Time Zone: +5:30 (East of GMT) Co ordinates: 23°19′N 75°04′E Current Mahadasha: Ketu (in 4th house) regards Roshan Vijay Goel <goyalvj (AT) gmail (DOT) com>ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, August 6, 2009 8:11:52 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear all,More examples of my clients having 8th lord in 8th house.August 16, 1977Time: 18:35:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 76 E 56' 00", 15 N 30' 00"This person is in foreign country.Makar Lagna, sun in 8th house with mercury (9L) & moon.Recently his father died in Mars\mercury antardasa.------------ -----December 16, 1975Time: 13:43:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 76 E 36' 00", 28 N 15' 00"Meena Lagna with venus in 8th house with rahu.A Guiness book record horder and many limca book record holder.This person has very good artistic abilities.Now Rahu\venus is running and his name and fame is increasing many fold day by day.------------ --June 22, 1979Time: 16:50:08Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 74 E 30' 00", 26 N 06' 00"Scorpio Lagna, mercury in 8th house with sun.This person is too much disturbed in job, his father met the fatal accident in Rahu\rahu, after that he has to face all responsibilities.------------ -Thanking you,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur.ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > Natal Chart> May 8, 1954> Time: 19:40:00> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> Chicago, Illinois, USA> Altitude: 596.00 meters> Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> Sunrise: 5:43:28> Sunset: 19:51:13> Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sreenadh <sreesog >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)"..> The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> >> > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> >> > with regards,> > S.R.Balasubramaniam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Members, One more example of Rahu in 8th house that gave very good results in its Mahadasha. DOB 16th Oct 1923 TOB : 14.20 POB: Khedbrahma, North Gujarat He is at present in his 86th year year and is healthy. D.D.Trivedi--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 wrote: Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33Re: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Date: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 1:41 PM Respected Gurujans, Well my father has Rahu in 8th house , n in Rahu dasha he was quite sucessful (wit little ups n downs) His Birth Details r 19-08-1947 time is 11.05am place is Dehradun--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)ancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, August 6, 2009, 5:40 AM Dear All, Correct planetary positions should look like this: Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 22 Li 28' 15.04" Visa 1 Li ArSun - AmK 24 Ar 38' 46.21" Bhar 4 Ar ScMoon - MK 16 Cn 02' 45.40" Push 4 Cn ScMars - PiK 14 Sg 04' 38.63" PSha 1 Sg LeMercury - AK 24 Ar 44' 18.29" Bhar 4 Ar ScJupiter - DK 3 Ge 37' 23.23" Mrig 4 Ge ScVenus - BK 19 Ta 06' 33.28" Rohi 3 Ta GeSaturn ® - PK 11 Li 53' 46.33" Swat 2 Li CpRahu - GK 23 Sg 23' 35.62" PSha 4 Sg ScKetu 23 Ge 23' 35.62" Puna 2 Ge TaMaandi 11 Ta 06' 45.46" Rohi 1 Ta ArGulika 24 Ar 05' 16.95" Bhar 4 Ar Sc Regards, -Manoj Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, August 5, 2009 10:26:03 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear All, Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna. Natal Chart May 8, 1954Time: 19:40:00Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00" Chicago, Illinois, USATithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left) Sunrise: 5:43:28Sunset: 19:51:13Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15Sidereal Time: 9:54:36 Regards, -Manoj renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Manoj ji,A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > Natal Chart> May 8, 1954> Time: 19:40:00> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> Chicago, Illinois, USA> Altitude: 596.00 meters> Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> Sunrise: 5:43:28> Sunset: 19:51:13> Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sreenadh <sreesog >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)".> The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> >> > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> >> > with regards,> > S.R.Balasubramaniam>____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ http://mail. See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear All, One more example today i had discussion with the native's relative.: July 12, 1977 Time: 13:36:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " Jaipur, India Ayanamsa: 23-32-35.33 Tula Lagna with venus in 8th house with host of planets. This native was thrown out from house especially family business by his parents mainly with father in the current dasa of Vimsottari Dasa: Rah MD: 1993-03-07 - 2011-03-07 Moon AD: 2008-08-18 - 2010-02-17 Thanks Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " Vijay Goel " <goyalvj wrote: > > Dear all, > > More examples of my clients having 8th lord in 8th house. > > August 16, 1977 > Time: 18:35:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 76 E 56' 00 " , 15 N 30' 00 " > > This person is in foreign country. > Makar Lagna, sun in 8th house with mercury (9L) & moon. > Recently his father died in Mars\mercury antardasa. > ----------------- > December 16, 1975 > Time: 13:43:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 76 E 36' 00 " , 28 N 15' 00 " > > Meena Lagna with venus in 8th house with rahu. > > A Guiness book record horder and many limca book record holder. > This person has very good artistic abilities. > > Now Rahu\venus is running and his name and fame is increasing many fold day by day. > -------------- > June 22, 1979 > Time: 16:50:08 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 74 E 30' 00 " , 26 N 06' 00 " > > Scorpio Lagna, mercury in 8th house with sun. > > This person is too much disturbed in job, his father met the fatal accident in Rahu\rahu, after that he has to face all responsibilities. > > ------------- > > Thanking you, > Regards, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance). This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source. > > > > Natal Chart > > Date: May 8, 1954 > > Time: 19:40:00 > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) > > Place: 87 W 39' 00 " , 41 N 51' 00 " > > Chicago, Illinois, USA > > Altitude: 596.00 meters > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left) > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa) > > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left) > > Sunrise: 5:43:28 > > Sunset: 19:51:13 > > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36 > > > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession. > > > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it. > > > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9. > > > > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!! > > > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H. > > > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra. > > > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> > > > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM > > Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji, > > In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that " Lagna lord is placed in lagna " , and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by " lagna lord in lagna " and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by " 8th lord in lagna in own house " . Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - " since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana) " . > > The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong. > > > > > > with regards, > > > S.R.Balasubramaniam > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, Death of father does not match with Libra lagna, however it does match with Scorpio lagna. To confirm the birth chart, please give more events if possible. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Manoj Chandran Thursday August 6, 2009 1:26 AM Re: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear All, Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna. Natal Chart May 8, 1954 Time: 19:40:00 Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) Place: 87 W 39' 00 " , 41 N 51' 00 " Chicago, Illinois, USA Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left) Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa) Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left) Sunrise: 5:43:28 Sunset: 19:51:13 Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15 Sidereal Time: 9:54:36 Regards, -Manoj renunw <renunw Wednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Manoj ji, A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi. blessings, Renu ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > Dear All, > > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source. > > Natal Chart > May 8, 1954 > Time: 19:40:00 > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) > Place: 87 W 39' 00 " , 41 N 51' 00 " > Chicago, Illinois, USA > Altitude: 596.00 meters > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left) > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa) > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left) > Sunrise: 5:43:28 > Sunset: 19:51:13 > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36 > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession. > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it. > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9. > > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!! > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H. > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra. > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Sreenadh <sreesog > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji, > In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that " Lagna lord is placed in lagna " , and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by " lagna lord in lagna " and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by " 8th lord in lagna in own house " . Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - " since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana) " . > The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong. > > > > with regards, > > S.R.Balasubramaniam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Ash Ji, I am sorry I am not able to give any more details. If I remember correctly I got it from some astrological magazine or conference. I had only written down the details of birth and also specific instruction that 1 hr day light savings time should be applied and specifically Time zone of 5:00 West of GMT. The only details it talked about was the inheritance and that she was a therapist. Regards, -Manoj "Ash's Corner" <kas Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 12:58:05 PMRE: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Manoj ji, Death of father does not match with Libra lagna, however it does match with Scorpio lagna. To confirm the birth chart, please give more events if possible. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Manoj ChandranThursday August 6, 2009 1:26 AMancient_indian_ astrologyRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear All, Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna. Natal Chart May 8, 1954Time: 19:40:00Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00" Chicago, Illinois, USATithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left) Sunrise: 5:43:28Sunset: 19:51:13Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15Sidereal Time: 9:54:36 Regards, -Manoj renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Manoj ji,A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > Natal Chart> May 8, 1954> Time: 19:40:00> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> Chicago, Illinois, USA> Altitude: 596.00 meters> Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> Sunrise: 5:43:28> Sunset: 19:51:13> Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sreenadh <sreesog >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)".> The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> >> > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> >> > with regards,> > S.R..Balasubramaniam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, I have read books where in the birth time was “so called rectified” to match the system one was using. If this satisfies and justifies the members then that is fine. However, to me, this birth time is inaccurate. If the fathers death is in 1983 i.e Moon antra then that is not matching. If say we get 10 events and 9 of them match except fathers death then we can say that the birth time is in line. With Sco lagna, death of father is in antra of Mars (1st lord), 10th from 4th and at same time 1st house is 6th from 8th. MD is that of Venus who is Karak for 5th and placed in 7th house in Taurus which is also mool karak sthan for 5th. Even the antra before that (depending on the exact time). Mars was in about August transiting over 8th house where Shani has got 0 power, so after August she might have received the inheritance once Ma got into 9th house. With Libra lagna, both the events are not falling in line atleast as per my calculation. Dear Manoj ji, I had to write the above, otherwise I would not be doing justice to my own conscience. If as per yours and even if for others calculation if Libra lagna matches then its good. But I cannot agree with Libra being lagna based on 2 events, yes if there were more events, and all in line with libra lagna then I could agree, but in the absence of any further event and u personally not knowing the lady, I will disagree with the birth time given. Cheers !!! Ash On Behalf Of Manoj Chandran Thursday August 6, 2009 4:26 PM To: Re: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Ash Ji, I am sorry I am not able to give any more details. If I remember correctly I got it from some astrological magazine or conference. I had only written down the details of birth and also specific instruction that 1 hr day light savings time should be applied and specifically Time zone of 5:00 West of GMT. The only details it talked about was the inheritance and that she was a therapist. Regards, -Manoj " Ash's Corner " <kas Thursday, August 6, 2009 12:58:05 PM RE: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Manoj ji, Death of father does not match with Libra lagna, however it does match with Scorpio lagna. To confirm the birth chart, please give more events if possible. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology @. com] On Behalf Of Manoj Chandran Thursday August 6, 2009 1:26 AM ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear All, Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna. Natal Chart May 8, 1954 Time: 19:40:00 Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) Place: 87 W 39' 00 " , 41 N 51' 00 " Chicago, Illinois, USA Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left) Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa) Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left) Sunrise: 5:43:28 Sunset: 19:51:13 Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15 Sidereal Time: 9:54:36 Regards, -Manoj renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com Wednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Manoj ji, A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi. blessings, Renu ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > Dear All, > > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source. > > Natal Chart > May 8, 1954 > Time: 19:40:00 > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) > Place: 87 W 39' 00 " , 41 N 51' 00 " > Chicago, Illinois, USA > Altitude: 596.00 meters > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left) > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa) > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left) > Sunrise: 5:43:28 > Sunset: 19:51:13 > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36 > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession. > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it. > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9. > > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!! > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H. > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra. > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Sreenadh <sreesog > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji, > In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that " Lagna lord is placed in lagna " , and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by " lagna lord in lagna " and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by " 8th lord in lagna in own house " . Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - " since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana) " . > The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong. > > > > with regards, > > S.R..Balasubramaniam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Ash Ji, Thank your for your comments. Unfortunately I dont know the lady. I vaguely remember the name of the astrologer who presented this article. I will send him an email and see if he responds to my email. If he does, I will post it. If not, you have the last word on this . Regards, -Manoj "Ash's Corner" <kas Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 2:00:46 PMRE: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Manoj ji, I have read books where in the birth time was “so called rectified†to match the system one was using. If this satisfies and justifies the members then that is fine. However, to me, this birth time is inaccurate. If the fathers death is in 1983 i.e Moon antra then that is not matching. If say we get 10 events and 9 of them match except fathers death then we can say that the birth time is in line. With Sco lagna, death of father is in antra of Mars (1st lord), 10th from 4th and at same time 1st house is 6th from 8th. MD is that of Venus who is Karak for 5th and placed in 7th house in Taurus which is also mool karak sthan for 5th. Even the antra before that (depending on the exact time). Mars was in about August transiting over 8th house where Shani has got 0 power, so after August she might have received the inheritance once Ma got into 9th house. With Libra lagna, both the events are not falling in line atleast as per my calculation. Dear Manoj ji, I had to write the above, otherwise I would not be doing justice to my own conscience. If as per yours and even if for others calculation if Libra lagna matches then its good. But I cannot agree with Libra being lagna based on 2 events, yes if there were more events, and all in line with libra lagna then I could agree, but in the absence of any further event and u personally not knowing the lady, I will disagree with the birth time given. Cheers !!! Ash ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Manoj ChandranThursday August 6, 2009 4:26 PMancient_indian_ astrologyRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Ash Ji, I am sorry I am not able to give any more details. If I remember correctly I got it from some astrological magazine or conference. I had only written down the details of birth and also specific instruction that 1 hr day light savings time should be applied and specifically Time zone of 5:00 West of GMT. The only details it talked about was the inheritance and that she was a therapist. Regards, -Manoj "Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca" <kasancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, August 6, 2009 12:58:05 PMRE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Manoj ji, Death of father does not match with Libra lagna, however it does match with Scorpio lagna. To confirm the birth chart, please give more events if possible. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Manoj ChandranThursday August 6, 2009 1:26 AMancient_indian_ astrologyRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear All, Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna. Natal Chart May 8, 1954Time: 19:40:00Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00" Chicago, Illinois, USATithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left) Sunrise: 5:43:28Sunset: 19:51:13Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15Sidereal Time: 9:54:36 Regards, -Manoj renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Manoj ji,A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > Natal Chart> May 8, 1954> Time: 19:40:00> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> Chicago, Illinois, USA> Altitude: 596.00 meters> Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> Sunrise: 5:43:28> Sunset: 19:51:13> Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sreenadh <sreesog >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)".> The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> >> > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> >> > with regards,> > S.R...Balasubramania m> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Respected Sunil ji n Gurujans Well will be waiting inspite of Rahu in 8th house gave better result then should be aspected , well after finishing this chart i have another chart of my chacha whoes Ketu in 8 th house gave him extra ordinary results, Thanks Mohit--- On Thu, 8/6/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 12:34 PM Dear Mohit ji Then how it will b applicable in tread being discussed any way thanks for giving a chart and results of rahu dasa rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Sunil g ,> > Yes it is Libra lagna Long:78E02"00, Lat:30N19" 00 Time zone:-5:30:00> > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:35 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Virmani ji > > i am getting Libra lagna and rahu in 7th House aries > > am i missing some thing here ? also pls giv us the co ordinates of the place Dehradune too > > rgrds sunil nair > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> >> > Respected Gurujans,> > > > Well my father has Rahu in 8th house , n in Rahu dasha he was quite sucessful (wit little ups n downs) His Birth Details r 19-08-1947 time is 11.05am place is Dehradun> > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote:> > > > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ...> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 5:40 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > Correct planetary positions should look like this:> > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > Lagna 22 Li 28' 15.04" Visa 1 Li Ar> > Sun - AmK 24 Ar 38' 46.21" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > Moon - MK 16 Cn 02' 45.40" Push 4 Cn Sc> > Mars - PiK 14 Sg 04' 38.63" PSha 1 Sg Le> > Mercury - AK 24 Ar 44' 18.29" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > Jupiter - DK 3 Ge 37' 23.23" Mrig 4 Ge Sc> > Venus - BK 19 Ta 06' 33.28" Rohi 3 Ta Ge> > Saturn ® - PK 11 Li 53' 46.33" Swat 2 Li Cp> > Rahu - GK 23 Sg 23' 35.62" PSha 4 Sg Sc> > Ketu 23 Ge 23' 35.62" Puna 2 Ge Ta> > Maandi 11 Ta 06' 45.46" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> > Gulika 24 Ar 05' 16.95" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > > > > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:26:03 PM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. > > > > If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna.> > > > Natal Chart> > May 8, 1954> > Time: 19:40:00> > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> > Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> > Chicago, Illinois, USA> > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> > Sunrise: 5:43:28> > Sunset: 19:51:13> > Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15> > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > > > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago > > 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.> > > > blessings,> > > > Renu> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > > > > > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > > > > > Natal Chart> > > May 8, 1954> > > Time: 19:40:00> > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> > > Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> > > Chicago, Illinois, USA> > > Altitude: 596.00 meters> > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> > > Sunrise: 5:43:28> > > Sunset: 19:51:13> > > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > > > > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > > > > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > > > > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > > > > > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > > > > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > > > > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > > > > > Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Sreenadh sreesog@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> > > In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)".> > > The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > >> > > > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> > > >> > > > with regards,> > > > S.R.Balasubramaniam> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > http://mail. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > http://mail. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Dear Mohit Ji U can post the other chart along with ur comments rgrds sunil nair , Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 wrote:>> Respected Sunil ji n Gurujans> > Well will be waiting inspite of Rahu in 8th house gave better result then should be aspected , well after finishing this chart i have another chart of my chacha whoes Ketu in 8 th house gave him extra ordinary results, Thanks Mohit> > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 12:34 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Mohit ji > > Then how it will b applicable in tread being discussed > > any way thanks for giving a chart and results of rahu dasa > > rgrds sunil nair > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> >> > Respected Sunil g ,> > > > Yes it is Libra lagna Long:78E02"00, Lat:30N19" 00 Time zone:-5:30:00> > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:35 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Virmani ji > > > > i am getting Libra lagna and rahu in 7th House aries > > > > am i missing some thing here ? also pls giv us the co ordinates of the place Dehradune too > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Gurujans,> > > > > > Well my father has Rahu in 8th house , n in Rahu dasha he was quite sucessful (wit little ups n downs) His Birth Details r 19-08-1947 time is 11.05am place is Dehradun> > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote:> > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ...> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 5:40 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > Correct planetary positions should look like this:> > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > > Lagna 22 Li 28' 15.04" Visa 1 Li Ar> > > Sun - AmK 24 Ar 38' 46.21" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > Moon - MK 16 Cn 02' 45.40" Push 4 Cn Sc> > > Mars - PiK 14 Sg 04' 38.63" PSha 1 Sg Le> > > Mercury - AK 24 Ar 44' 18.29" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > Jupiter - DK 3 Ge 37' 23.23" Mrig 4 Ge Sc> > > Venus - BK 19 Ta 06' 33.28" Rohi 3 Ta Ge> > > Saturn ® - PK 11 Li 53' 46.33" Swat 2 Li Cp> > > Rahu - GK 23 Sg 23' 35.62" PSha 4 Sg Sc> > > Ketu 23 Ge 23' 35.62" Puna 2 Ge Ta> > > Maandi 11 Ta 06' 45.46" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> > > Gulika 24 Ar 05' 16.95" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:26:03 PM> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. > > > > > > If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna.> > > > > > Natal Chart> > > May 8, 1954> > > Time: 19:40:00> > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> > > Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> > > Chicago, Illinois, USA> > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> > > Sunrise: 5:43:28> > > Sunset: 19:51:13> > > Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15> > > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > > > > > Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago > > > 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.> > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > Renu> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > May 8, 1954> > > > Time: 19:40:00> > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> > > > Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> > > > Chicago, Illinois, USA> > > > Altitude: 596.00 meters> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> > > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> > > > Sunrise: 5:43:28> > > > Sunset: 19:51:13> > > > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > > > > > > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > > > > > > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > > > > > > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > > > > > > > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > > > > > > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > > > > > > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> > > > In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in> lagana)".> > > > The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > >> > > > > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> > > > >> > > > > with regards,> > > > > S.R.Balasubramaniam> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > http://mail. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > http://mail. > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Dear friend, A classic example where 8th lord in 8th house is close to the cusp. Additionally fulfilling the condition of being placed in 12th from Arudha Lagna taking Mahadasa lord Rahu as the lagna lord. Regards, Mrutyunjay Tripathy , " Vijay Goel " <goyalvj wrote: > > Dear All, > > One more example today i had discussion with the native's relative.: > > July 12, 1977 > Time: 13:36:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " > Jaipur, India > Ayanamsa: 23-32-35.33 > > Tula Lagna with venus in 8th house with host of planets. > > This native was thrown out from house especially family business by his parents mainly with father in the current dasa of > > Vimsottari Dasa: > > Rah MD: 1993-03-07 - 2011-03-07 > Moon AD: 2008-08-18 - 2010-02-17 > > > Thanks > Regards, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > > > > , " Vijay Goel " <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > More examples of my clients having 8th lord in 8th house. > > > > August 16, 1977 > > Time: 18:35:00 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 76 E 56' 00 " , 15 N 30' 00 " > > > > This person is in foreign country. > > Makar Lagna, sun in 8th house with mercury (9L) & moon. > > Recently his father died in Mars\mercury antardasa. > > ----------------- > > December 16, 1975 > > Time: 13:43:00 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 76 E 36' 00 " , 28 N 15' 00 " > > > > Meena Lagna with venus in 8th house with rahu. > > > > A Guiness book record horder and many limca book record holder. > > This person has very good artistic abilities. > > > > Now Rahu\venus is running and his name and fame is increasing many fold day by day. > > -------------- > > June 22, 1979 > > Time: 16:50:08 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 74 E 30' 00 " , 26 N 06' 00 " > > > > Scorpio Lagna, mercury in 8th house with sun. > > > > This person is too much disturbed in job, his father met the fatal accident in Rahu\rahu, after that he has to face all responsibilities. > > > > ------------- > > > > Thanking you, > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > > > > , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance). This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source. > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > Date: May 8, 1954 > > > Time: 19:40:00 > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT) > > > Place: 87 W 39' 00 " , 41 N 51' 00 " > > > Chicago, Illinois, USA > > > Altitude: 596.00 meters > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha > > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left) > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa) > > > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left) > > > Sunrise: 5:43:28 > > > Sunset: 19:51:13 > > > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36 > > > > > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession. > > > > > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it. > > > > > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9. > > > > > > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!! > > > > > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H. > > > > > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra. > > > > > > Regards, > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> > > > > > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM > > > Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji, > > > In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that " Lagna lord is placed in lagna " , and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by " lagna lord in lagna " and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by " 8th lord in lagna in own house " . Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - " since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana) " . > > > The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong. > > > > > > > > with regards, > > > > S.R.Balasubramaniam > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Dear Ash Ji, Finally after two hours of searching, I found the original article I had taken my notes from. Now I remember I had read it in the AVCA magazine. Here it is. If you read through the article you will find that the chart I posted is one of the charts he talks about. This article has other charts on positive effects of 8th house for those who are interested. http://www.lightonVedic Astrology.com/articles-gifts.htm Regards, -Manoj "Ash's Corner" <kas Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 2:00:46 PMRE: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Manoj ji, I have read books where in the birth time was “so called rectified†to match the system one was using. If this satisfies and justifies the members then that is fine. However, to me, this birth time is inaccurate. If the fathers death is in 1983 i.e Moon antra then that is not matching. If say we get 10 events and 9 of them match except fathers death then we can say that the birth time is in line. With Sco lagna, death of father is in antra of Mars (1st lord), 10th from 4th and at same time 1st house is 6th from 8th. MD is that of Venus who is Karak for 5th and placed in 7th house in Taurus which is also mool karak sthan for 5th. Even the antra before that (depending on the exact time). Mars was in about August transiting over 8th house where Shani has got 0 power, so after August she might have received the inheritance once Ma got into 9th house. With Libra lagna, both the events are not falling in line atleast as per my calculation. Dear Manoj ji, I had to write the above, otherwise I would not be doing justice to my own conscience. If as per yours and even if for others calculation if Libra lagna matches then its good. But I cannot agree with Libra being lagna based on 2 events, yes if there were more events, and all in line with libra lagna then I could agree, but in the absence of any further event and u personally not knowing the lady, I will disagree with the birth time given. Cheers !!! Ash ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Manoj ChandranThursday August 6, 2009 4:26 PMancient_indian_ astrologyRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Ash Ji, I am sorry I am not able to give any more details. If I remember correctly I got it from some astrological magazine or conference. I had only written down the details of birth and also specific instruction that 1 hr day light savings time should be applied and specifically Time zone of 5:00 West of GMT. The only details it talked about was the inheritance and that she was a therapist. Regards, -Manoj "Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca" <kasancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, August 6, 2009 12:58:05 PMRE: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Manoj ji, Death of father does not match with Libra lagna, however it does match with Scorpio lagna. To confirm the birth chart, please give more events if possible. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Manoj ChandranThursday August 6, 2009 1:26 AMancient_indian_ astrologyRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear All, Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna. Natal Chart May 8, 1954Time: 19:40:00Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00" Chicago, Illinois, USATithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left) Sunrise: 5:43:28Sunset: 19:51:13Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15Sidereal Time: 9:54:36 Regards, -Manoj renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>ancient_indian_ astrologyWednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Dear Manoj ji,A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear All,> > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > Natal Chart> May 8, 1954> Time: 19:40:00> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> Chicago, Illinois, USA> Altitude: 596.00 meters> Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> Sunrise: 5:43:28> Sunset: 19:51:13> Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sreenadh <sreesog >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana)".> The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadhji,> >> > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> >> > with regards,> > S.R..Balasubramania m> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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