Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Dear Shanmukha ji, Thank you very much for your feedback. In the chapters from 1 to 4 also there s a lot of calculations? What have you heard from your sources, on what kind of calculations are there / were there in those chapters 5, 6, 7 and 8th? Any idea? Speculation? Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca vedic astrology [vedic astrology ] On Behalf Of Shanmukha Wednesday August 5, 2009 2:38 AM ; vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Fwd: Re: Jaimini - Upadesha Sutra sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002 wrote: Om Namah Sivaya Namaste, The following is the information I have from my study. Sage Jaimini wrote 8 chapters, four chapters each on mathematical and predictive part. The four chapters that was commented by Sri Sanjay, P.S.Sastri, Suresh Chandra Mishra etc. belong to Predictive Part. Even in the 3rd and 4th chapters, there are two versions. The sutras in Neelakantha commentary differes from that is available in print now. This was told by the scholar, who is fortunate to gethold of Neelakantha commentary with him. Yes, You read it correct, Neelakantha commentary for 3rd and 4th chapters. That again differes from the commentary by Soamanatha Mishra for 3rd and 4th chapters. Yet, most of the sutras in 3rd and 4th chapters are in line with the manuscript available in a manuscript library, so we can say 3rd and 4th chapters available now might be authentic. My Guru Sri Iranganti Rangacharya opines, there are Gems and of course interpolations in 3rd and 4th chapters. Krishna Mishra and Raghava Bhatta give some more sutras to identify the Devata Bhakti in addition to what is available in print. That will be evident if we study them. Are we going to do this? And hence, it is definitely possible that we might lost some part of Jaimini Sutras. Without learning this, we can't say Jaimini Sutras are complete. Best Regards, Shanmukha sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Ash's Corner@ " <kas@> wrote: > > Dear Groups, > > I have a basic query and if someone can throw some light on it, I shall be > grateful. > > As per the preface that I read in Sanjay Ji's book, Sanjay ji mentioned that > there were in total 8 Chapters. > > Commentary on only 4 chapters are given. > > It was not clear where are the other 4 chapters? What happened to them? > Have those chapters been kept with any parampara or is that knowledge lost? > > Does any one know what was in those 4 chapters? > > Does Sanjay ji's Grandfather or Sanmukha Telis Guru ji know about those 4 > missing chapter? > > It would be a tremendous loss if those have gone missing? > > Can anyone throw some light on this please. > > Thanks, > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Shanmukha ji, Logically, the Mathematical part / portion should come first and using that one can derive on the predictive portion. Why would Jaimini Maharishi put the Mathematical portion in the last 4 chapters? Also, if what Maharishi wrote is an Upadesha, which means that its sort of an advisory book, so what calculations are we talking here. The verses of the maharishi are coded and short and sweet, pregnant with a lot of meaning, so if there are any astronomical calculation then those could be referred to any standard book, so I am not clear on what mathematical part would be in those 4 chapters. Can you throw some light on this please? Was this told by your Guru ji that the last 4 chapters would contain mathematical portion? I am curious to understand what Mathematics would the Maharishi Jaimini give upadesha on? Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Sreenadh Wednesday August 5, 2009 2:54 AM To: Subject: Fwd: Re: Jaimini - Upadesha Sutra Dear Shanmukha ji, That was an informative post - Thanks. //> Sage Jaimini wrote 8 chapters, four chapters each on mathematical and predictive part. // Any quotes from the 4 chapters mathematical part of Jaimini sutra is available now or not? Love and regards, Sreenadh , " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002 wrote: > > sohamsa , " Shanmukha " teli_sha2002@ wrote: > > Om Namah Sivaya > > Namaste, > > The following is the information I have from my study. > > Sage Jaimini wrote 8 chapters, four chapters each on mathematical and predictive part. The four chapter s that was commented by Sri Sanjay, P.S.Sastri, Suresh Chandra Mishra etc. belong to Predictive Part. > > Even in the 3rd and 4th chapters, there are two versions. The sutras in Neelakantha commentary differes from that is available in print now. This was told by the scholar, who is fortunate to gethold of Neelakantha commentary with him. > > Yes, You read it correct, Neelakantha commentary for 3rd and 4th chapters. > > That again differes from the commentary by Soamanatha Mishra for 3rd and 4th chapters. > > Yet, most of the sutras in 3rd and 4th chapters are in line with the manuscript available in a manuscript library, so we can say 3rd and 4th chapters available now might be authentic. > > My Guru Sri Iranganti Rangacharya opines, there are Gems and of course interpolations in 3rd and 4th chapters. > > Krishna Mishra and Raghava Bhatta give some more sutras to identify the Devata Bhakti in ad dition to what is available in print. That will be evident if we study them. Are we going to do this? > > And hence, it is definitely possible that we might lost some part of Jaimini Sutras. Without learning this, we can't say Jaimini Sutras are complete. > > Best Regards, > Shanmukha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Dear Shanmukha ji, You wrote the following, text quoted below. “> > The following is the information I have from my study. > > Sage Jaimini wrote 8 chapters, four chapters each on mathematical and > predictive part. The four chapter s that was commented by Sri Sanjay, > P.S.Sastri, Suresh Chandra Mishra etc. belong to Predictive Part.” Based on what you wrote above, I gathered that the LAST 4 chapters would be on Mathematical as the FIRST 4 chapters are on predictive part. Otherwise we can say that 1st 4 chapters of Jaimini are missing (mathematical portion) and the last 4 of predictive have been found in the manuscripts. Do you know how Shri Somnath Mishra ji came to that conclusion that the FIRST 4 chapters were on mathematical part? If that is true then the 1st 4 chapters are missing and not the last 4. What is your Guru ji’s and your opinion? Have you spoken to any other jaimini scholars. No one has replied to my mail on sohamsa list, so it seems no one is interested to help me understand this. I must thank you for spending your time to reply to my mail. Its appreciated. Cheers !!! Ash On Behalf Of Shanmukha Thursday August 6, 2009 2:06 AM To: Subject: Fwd: Re: Jaimini - Upadesha Sutra Om Namah Sivaya Dear All, Did I say mathematical part belongs to the last 4 chapters? Your logic is correct and mathematical part shall come first. Somanatha Mishra writes " Sage Jaimini, in fact he venerate Him as Bhagavan Acharya Jaimini, wrote first 4 chapters on mathematical part. " Look at the Vriddha Karika verses on Hora, Drekkana, Navamsa, Saptamsa etc. calculations which are different from classical methods. Regards, Shanmukha , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Shanmukha ji, > > Logically, the Mathematical part / portion should come first and using that > one can derive on the predictive portion. > > Why would Jaimini Maharishi put the Mathematical portion in the last 4 > chapters? > > Also, if what Maharishi wrote is an Upadesha, which means that its sort of > an advisory book, so what calculations are we talking here. The verses of > the maharishi are coded and short and sweet, pregnant with a lot of meaning, > so if there are any astronomical calculation then those could be referred to > any standard book, so I am not clear on what mathematical part would be in > those 4 chapters. > > Can you throw some light on this please? > > Was this told by your Guru ji that the last 4 chapters would contain > mathematical portion? I am curious to understand what Mathematics would the > Maharishi Jaimini give upadesha on? > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of Sreenadh > Wednesday August 5, 2009 2:54 AM > > Fwd: Re: Jaimini - Upadesha Sutra > > > Dear Shanmukha ji, > That was an informative post - Thanks. > //> Sage Jaimini wrote 8 chapters, four chapters each on mathematical and > predictive part. // > Any quotes from the 4 chapters mathematical part of Jaimini sutra is > available now or not? > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " Shanmukha " > <teli_sha2002@> wrote: > > > > sohamsa , " Shanmukha " teli_sha2002@ wrote: > > > > Om Namah Sivaya > > > > Namaste, > > > > The following is the information I have from my study. > > > > Sage Jaimini wrote 8 chapters, four chapters each on mathematical and > predictive part. The four chapter s that was commented by Sri Sanjay, > P.S.Sastri, Suresh Chandra Mishra etc. belong to Predictive Part. > > > > Even in the 3rd and 4th chapters, there are two versions. The sutras in > Neelakantha commentary differes from that is available in print now. This > was told by the scholar, who is fortunate to gethold of Neelakantha > commentary with him. > > > > Yes, You read it correct, Neelakantha commentary for 3rd and 4th chapters. > > > > > That again differes from the commentary by Soamanatha Mishra for 3rd and > 4th chapters. > > > > Yet, most of the sutras in 3rd and 4th chapters are in line with the > manuscript available in a manuscript library, so we can say 3rd and 4th > chapters available now might be authentic. > > > > My Guru Sri Iranganti Rangacharya opines, there are Gems and of course > interpolations in 3rd and 4th chapters. > > > > Krishna Mishra and Raghava Bhatta give some more sutras to identify the > Devata Bhakti in ad dition to what is available in print. That will be > evident if we study them. Are we going to do this? > > > > And hence, it is definitely possible that we might lost some part of > Jaimini Sutras. Without learning this, we can't say Jaimini Sutras are > complete. > > > > Best Regards, > > Shanmukha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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