Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Dear friends,  Namaste,  Sorry to point out Kaulji's poor sense of humour. The Sun moves one-twelfth of the ecliptic in one month and Brihaspati also  moves one twelfth of the ecliptic in one solar year. So it is natural that the ancient astronomers named the twelve segments of the ecliptic as twelve Rashis and they had chosen to identify these Rashis  by the shape of the formation of the stars within it. This was astronomically necessary for describing the location of the grahas at different times. This is an empirical nomenclature without any etymological background. It is deplorable that Kaulji is ignorant about this need for identification of the Rashis and yet he is trying to  make fun of our ancient astronomers by seeking some real animal behaviour from the name of the Rashis. If Kaulji thought that there should be better ways of identification of the Rashis then had anybody prevented him from coming out with his suggestions for alternative and more appropriate names?  Regards,  Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Fri, 8/7/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved wrote: Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved [VRI] Fw: [vedic astrology] Re:Jupiter in moveable sign vedic_research_institute Friday, August 7, 2009, 1:10 AM  Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, AKKaul@@ wrote: Dear friends, Namaste! Let me tell you some astrological jokes! Aries i.e. a ram is moveable, i.e. it moves, but Taurus the Bull is fixed! Is it waiting for being attacked by the ram? Gemini the dual bodied is dwisvabhava i.e. ambivlent! That must be the real astrological sign of jyotihis since almost all of them are ambivalent when making predictions! Cancer the crab is moveable but the lion is fixed! Must be waiting for the crab to mount it! And Virgin is again ambivalent. I understand that--all virigins, whether male or female, are always amibavlent! Scales is moveable! That beats me hollow! On the other hand, Scorpion is fixed! Must be waiting for being weighed in scales! The horse-riding- archer is ambivalent! I hope we do not have such archers in our armed forces at least! A crocodile, no doubt is moveable, and the pitcher is fixed! So the crocodile will go into the pitcher! And the two-fishes are again amibivalent! Dithering like some of our netas! And the tail pice-of all these hilarious postulates is that all these rams and bulls and twins and crabs and lions and virgins and scales and scorpions and archers and crocodiles and pitchers and fish are imaginary figures, of a still more imaginary " circle of animals " known as zodiac---Rashichakr a! The height of this hilarious tale is that all the imaginary animate and inanimate bodies are equal to one another in every respect, including the weight and size etc. etc. I have read Arabian Nights in my college days! But am surprisied that that work did not include such fantastic tales as the ones just narrated above. no doubt " astrology does not need any proofs " for being a phantasmagoria baseed as it is on such " fantastic " facts! With regards, A K Kaul Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Astro.Vedas@ @ wrote: > > < I have seen in many nativities where Jupiter is placed in 10H in movable sign and such jatak's have either fallen from there Dharma or trouble to father and so on. > > > Meray Priy Dost Goelji, our Brihaspati Bhagwan (God) gives wisdom and show path to keep Dharma intact, not your lovely Jupiter planet. > > In Vedas Brihaspati Bhagwan is mentioned as God not as planet. > > Our many Hindu Gurus had put so many efforts to revive Hindu Dharma on the basis of VEDAS but all went in vain because of abuses from JYOTISH. They said that in our Dharma there is no idol worship and God is in all things but now we see worship of planets and chanting of Mantras for Mars planet that is why our Gurus said that VEDAS and Brahmnas are supreme and they said Purans are degraded scriptures. > > I am really thrilled to get to know how Jupiter planet gives wisdom, i think we should bring some material from Jupiter planet and mix it with our milk to drink so that we all become very much intelligent or we should trap electro-magnetic waves which we are getting over here from Jupiter planet just to become more intelligent through those waves. > > If i am saying wrong then why ppl don’t try the above suggestions, means first our Goelji should drink that energy drink (I mean that Milk) > > Aapka Priy Dost > Astro.Vedas > > PS:- Goelji don’t take my words as negative comments as i have seen that at least you talk of Jyotish at least through bookish knowledge means at least on the basis of some base though that base is already baseless means your knowledge base is also dot dot dot dot dot....Goelji aisay kaisay chaleygi aapki gaadi... > > But others talk on the basis of no classics and those use to be based on only their third eye and all ppl’s third eye see difft difft results for only and only one outcome. > > > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, gkgoel@@ wrote: > > > > Dear PRASHANT JI, > > I have not invented Astrology , as such it does not > > matter if a person(s) have different views. > > I follow chitra paksha Ayanamsa as such initial point of sidereal signs commence opposite to it: > > Aries 0-30 deg > > Cancer 90-120 deg > > Libra 180- 210 deg and finally > > Capiricorn 270-300 deg > > are called movable signs. > > If Jupiter is placed in these sectors , 12H FROM it suffers. > > We follow compartmental system of house where a whole sign > > is considered a bhava (house). > > The above dictum is based on these definitions. > > It works, > > Regards, > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > " Prashant@ " <Prashant@> > > Indian_astrology_ group_daily_ digest@grou ps.com > > Wednesday, 29 July, 2009 12:50:47 AM > > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] Re:Jupiter in moveable sign > > > > > > Dear Shri Goelji, > > > > What signs are movable signs?? I just want to check veracity of the astrological theorem written by you. > > > > Please dont take my mail as personal affront. > > > > Regs, > > Prashant Pandey > > > > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ . co.in> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ . co.in> > > >>[vedic astrology] Re:Jupiter in moveable sign > > >>Ultraton_16@ > > >>Cc: astrologyandremedie s , " sohamsa " <sohamsa@ s .com>, vedic astrology > > >>Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 9:56 AM > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>Dear Friend , > > >>Kindly remember that whenever Jupiter is in movable sign , > > >>the 12H from it suffers. > > >>If you will strengthen Jupiter , there may be bad effect on the > > >>signification of 11H. > > >>Regards, > > >> > > >>G.K.GOEL > > >>Ph: 09350311433 > > >>Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > >>NEW DELHI-110 076 > > >>INDIA > > >> > > >> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Dear friends, Namaste, Sorry to point out Kaulji's poor sense of humour. The Sun moves one-twelfth of the ecliptic in one month and Brihaspati also moves one twelfth of the ecliptic in one solar year. So it is natural that the ancient astronomers named the twelve segments of the ecliptic as twelve Rashis and they had chosen to identify these Rashis by the shape of the formation of the stars within it. This was astronomically necessary for describing the location of the grahas at different times. This is an empirical nomenclature without any etymological background. It is deplorable that Kaulji is ignorant about this need for identification of the Rashis and yet he is trying to make fun of our ancient astronomers by seeking some real animal behaviour from the name of the Rashis. If Kaulji thought that there should be better ways of identification of the Rashis then had anybody prevented him from coming out with his suggestions for alternative and more appropriate names? Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Fri, 8/7/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved wrote: Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved[VRI] Fw: [vedic astrology] Re:Jupiter in moveable signvedic_research_institute Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 1:10 AM Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, AKKaul@@ wrote:Dear friends,Namaste!Let me tell you some astrological jokes! Aries i.e. a ram is moveable, i.e. it moves, but Taurus the Bull is fixed! Is it waiting for being attacked by the ram? Gemini the dual bodied is dwisvabhava i.e. ambivlent! That must be the real astrological sign of jyotihis since almost all of them are ambivalent when making predictions!Cancer the crab is moveable but the lion is fixed! Must be waiting for the crab to mount it! And Virgin is again ambivalent. I understand that--all virigins, whether male or female, are always amibavlent!Scales is moveable! That beats me hollow! On the other hand, Scorpion is fixed! Must be waiting for being weighed in scales! The horse-riding- archer is ambivalent! I hope we do not have such archers in our armed forces at least!A crocodile, no doubt is moveable, and the pitcher is fixed! So the crocodile will go into the pitcher! And the two-fishes are again amibivalent! Dithering like some of our netas!And the tail pice-of all these hilarious postulates is that all these rams and bulls and twins and crabs and lions and virgins and scales and scorpions and archers and crocodiles and pitchers and fish are imaginary figures, of a still more imaginary "circle of animals" known as zodiac---Rashichakr a! The height of this hilarious tale is that all the imaginary animate and inanimate bodies are equal to one another in every respect, including the weight and size etc. etc.I have read Arabian Nights in my college days! But am surprisied that that work did not include such fantastic tales as the ones just narrated above.no doubt "astrology does not need any proofs" for being a phantasmagoria baseed as it is on such "fantastic" facts!With regards,A K KaulIndian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Astro.Vedas@ @ wrote:>> < I have seen in many nativities where Jupiter is placed in 10H in movable sign and such jatak's have either fallen from there Dharma or trouble to father and so on. >>> Meray Priy Dost Goelji, our Brihaspati Bhagwan (God) gives wisdom and show path to keep Dharma intact, not your lovely Jupiter planet.>> In Vedas Brihaspati Bhagwan is mentioned as God not as planet.>> Our many Hindu Gurus had put so many efforts to revive Hindu Dharma on the basis of VEDAS but all went in vain because of abuses from JYOTISH. They said that in our Dharma there is no idol worship and God is in all things but now we see worship of planets and chanting of Mantras for Mars planet that is why our Gurus said that VEDAS and Brahmnas are supreme and they said Purans are degraded scriptures.>> I am really thrilled to get to know how Jupiter planet gives wisdom, i think we should bring some material from Jupiter planet and mix it with our milk to drink so that we all become very much intelligent or we should trap electro-magnetic waves which we are getting over here from Jupiter planet just to become more intelligent through those waves.>> If i am saying wrong then why ppl don’t try the above suggestions, means first our Goelji should drink that energy drink (I mean that Milk)>> Aapka Priy Dost> Astro.Vedas>> PS:- Goelji don’t take my words as negative comments as i have seen that at least you talk of Jyotish at least through bookish knowledge means at least on the basis of some base though that base is already baseless means your knowledge base is also dot dot dot dot dot....Goelji aisay kaisay chaleygi aapki gaadi...>> But others talk on the basis of no classics and those use to be based on only their third eye and all ppl’s third eye see difft difft results for only and only one outcome.>>> Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, gkgoel@@ wrote:> >> > Dear PRASHANT JI,> > I have not invented Astrology , as such it does not> > matter if a person(s) have different views.> > I follow chitra paksha Ayanamsa as such initial point of sidereal signs commence opposite to it:> > Aries 0-30 deg> > Cancer 90-120 deg> > Libra 180- 210 deg and finally> > Capiricorn 270-300 deg> > are called movable signs.> > If Jupiter is placed in these sectors , 12H FROM it suffers.> > We follow compartmental system of house where a whole sign> > is considered a bhava (house).> > The above dictum is based on these definitions.> > It works,> > Regards,> >> >> >> > G.K.GOEL> > Ph: 09350311433> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > NEW DELHI-110 076> > INDIA> >> >> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > "Prashant@" <Prashant@>> > Indian_astrology_ group_daily_ digest@grou ps.com> > Wednesday, 29 July, 2009 12:50:47 AM> > [ind. & West. Astrology] Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] Re:Jupiter in moveable sign> >> >> > Dear Shri Goelji,> >> > What signs are movable signs?? I just want to check veracity of the astrological theorem written by you.> >> > Please dont take my mail as personal affront.> >> > Regs,> > Prashant Pandey> >> > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ . co.in> wrote:> > >> > >> > >>Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ . co.in>> > >>[vedic astrology] Re:Jupiter in moveable sign> > >>Ultraton_16@ > > >>Cc: astrologyandremedie s , "sohamsa" <sohamsa@ s .com>, vedic astrology> > >>Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 9:56 AM> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Dear Friend ,> > >>Kindly remember that whenever Jupiter is in movable sign ,> > >>the 12H from it suffers.> > >>If you will strengthen Jupiter , there may be bad effect on the> > >>signification of 11H.> > >>Regards,> > >>> > >>G.K.GOEL> > >>Ph: 09350311433> > >>Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > >>NEW DELHI-110 076> > >>INDIA> > >>> > >> recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/> > >>> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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