Doubts on the effects of Vakri and Vargotamma planets

[Guest guest]

Dear Learned members:

Could you please throw some light and clear my following doubts:

 

1. What is the effect of a vakri planet (malefic / benefic)?

Some say a planet in vakri is not good and some say its okay and fine.

Some say that retrogression makes a planet strong

Some say a neecha planet being vakri is almost exalted whereas an exalted planet

in vakri is debilitated. What does scriptures say and what does your experience

say? Please throw some light with examples on the these issues.

 

2. Is vargothamma concept applied only w.r.t. D9? Can we use vargothamma concept

also to other divisional charts? Can we say that, for example, if Venus being

10th lord in rasi and vargothamma in D10 then its good for professional rise?

 

3. If vargothamma is equivalent to exaltation then what is the effect of a

neecha planet in vargothamma? Is it good or bad or average like neecha bhanga?

Can it be also considered to be exalted? Please give an example. Because i have

a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga) in 12th house in both D1 (leo

lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).

(24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)

 

Thank you for your time and looking forward to your detailed response that will

enable me to learn from you all.

 

My respects to you all. Be blessed by the divine light!

 

kind regards,

Venkat

[Guest guest]

Dear Venkat Ji,

 

You have asked several "billion dollar questions" . So let me reverse the table and ask you simple questions and ask you to start the discussion, since this is a discussion group (and not a Q & A group) and you should start the discussion, with your views first:

 

You wrote:

 

//Because i have a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga) in 12th house in both D1 (leo lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).(24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)//

 

1. Please explain why do you think Mars is Neecha Bhanga? Can you please state the different rules for Neecha Bhanga and why you say Mars is Neecha Bhanga?

 

2. If you convince yourself (and us) that Mars is indeed Neecha Bhanga, then please let us know what results do you expect from the Neecha Bhanga Mars vs Plain Neecha Mars in General.

 

3. Now can you corroborate the above theoritical discussion with your practical Life example? Given below are the dashas you have been through so far. Is this calculation correct? If so, can you discuss how your Mars Dasha and Rahu Dasha have been?

 

Vimsottari Dasa:

Maha Dasas:

Mars: 1980-01-19 - 1987-01-19 Rah: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19

(I have left out Jupiter dasha since it is not of interest to us, we are not reading your chart and only interested in Neecha/ Neecha Bhanga)

 

How about Rahu-Mars:

 

Rah MD: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19

Antardasas in this MD:

Mars: 2004-01-02 - 2005-01-19

 

Please discuss the above theoritical answers with your practical experience.

 

Let us start with the "simple" concept of Neecha Bhanga first and then we can deal with the rest.

 

Please also note that in general we dont encourage personal chart examples, unless it illustrates a general concept, because people tend to get very personal and causes problems .

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Venkat <v.sivagnanam Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:12:25 PM Doubts on the effects of Vakri and Vargotamma planets

Dear Learned members:Could you please throw some light and clear my following doubts:1. What is the effect of a vakri planet (malefic / benefic)? Some say a planet in vakri is not good and some say its okay and fine. Some say that retrogression makes a planet strongSome say a neecha planet being vakri is almost exalted whereas an exalted planet in vakri is debilitated. What does scriptures say and what does your experience say? Please throw some light with examples on the these issues.2. Is vargothamma concept applied only w.r.t. D9? Can we use vargothamma concept also to other divisional charts? Can we say that, for example, if Venus being 10th lord in rasi and vargothamma in D10 then its good for professional rise?3. If vargothamma is equivalent to exaltation then what is the effect of a neecha planet in vargothamma? Is it good or bad or average like neecha bhanga? Can it be also considered to be exalted?

Please give an example. Because i have a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga) in 12th house in both D1 (leo lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).(24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)Thank you for your time and looking forward to your detailed response that will enable me to learn from you all.My respects to you all. Be blessed by the divine light!kind regards,Venkat

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj Chandran,

I agree with you to change the discussion from Rahu or other planets in 8th to Neech bhanga in rachi chart or exalted in Rashi chart and neech in D/9 etc.

Regards--- On Thu, 8/13/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Doubts on the effects of Vakri and Vargotamma planets Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 4:26 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Venkat Ji,

 

You have asked several "billion dollar questions" . So let me reverse the table and ask you simple questions and ask you to start the discussion, since this is a discussion group (and not a Q & A group) and you should start the discussion, with your views first:

 

You wrote:

 

//Because i have a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga) in 12th house in both D1 (leo lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).(24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)//

 

1. Please explain why do you think Mars is Neecha Bhanga? Can you please state the different rules for Neecha Bhanga and why you say Mars is Neecha Bhanga?

 

2. If you convince yourself (and us) that Mars is indeed Neecha Bhanga, then please let us know what results do you expect from the Neecha Bhanga Mars vs Plain Neecha Mars in General.

 

3. Now can you corroborate the above theoritical discussion with your practical Life example? Given below are the dashas you have been through so far. Is this calculation correct? If so, can you discuss how your Mars Dasha and Rahu Dasha have been?

 

Vimsottari Dasa:

Maha Dasas:

Mars: 1980-01-19 - 1987-01-19 Rah: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19

(I have left out Jupiter dasha since it is not of interest to us, we are not reading your chart and only interested in Neecha/ Neecha Bhanga)

 

How about Rahu-Mars:

 

Rah MD: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19

Antardasas in this MD:

Mars: 2004-01-02 - 2005-01-19

 

Please discuss the above theoritical answers with your practical experience.

 

Let us start with the "simple" concept of Neecha Bhanga first and then we can deal with the rest.

 

Please also note that in general we dont encourage personal chart examples, unless it illustrates a general concept, because people tend to get very personal and causes problems .

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Venkat <v.sivagnanam Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:12:25 PM Doubts on the effects of Vakri and Vargotamma planets

Dear Learned members:Could you please throw some light and clear my following doubts:1. What is the effect of a vakri planet (malefic / benefic)? Some say a planet in vakri is not good and some say its okay and fine. Some say that retrogression makes a planet strongSome say a neecha planet being vakri is almost exalted whereas an exalted planet in vakri is debilitated. What does scriptures say and what does your experience say? Please throw some light with examples on the these issues.2. Is vargothamma concept applied only w.r.t. D9? Can we use vargothamma concept also to other divisional charts? Can we say that, for example, if Venus being 10th lord in rasi and vargothamma in D10 then its good for professional rise?3. If vargothamma is equivalent to exaltation then what is the effect of a neecha planet in vargothamma? Is it good or bad or average like neecha bhanga? Can it be also considered to be exalted?

Please give an example. Because i have a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga) in 12th house in both D1 (leo lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).(24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)Thank you for your time and looking forward to your detailed response that will enable me to learn from you all.My respects to you all. Be blessed by the divine light!kind regards,Venkat

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Manoj:

 

//Because i have a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga) in 12th

house in both D1 (leo lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).

(24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)//

 

1. Please explain why do you think Mars is Neecha Bhanga? Can you please

state the different rules for Neecha Bhanga and why you say Mars is Neecha

Bhanga?

 

Answer: As far as I have learned, When the dispositor of the sign where the

neecha planet is placed or when the planet that is exalted in the same sign is

in a kendra from moon or from lagna then the neechatva gets annuled.

Also if a planet is neecha in D1 and exalted in D9 that also can gives neecha

bhanga (according to Uttar kalamritam).

 

Also, if a planet is exalted and vakri, some say, that it behaves as if it

is neecha .

 

2. If you convince yourself (and us) that Mars is indeed Neecha Bhanga, then

please let us know what results do you expect from the Neecha Bhanga Mars vs

Plain Neecha Mars in General.

 

a. Here, in this case dispositor of Mars, i.e. Moon is in 10th from lagna.

So, mars has got neecha bhanga. First will give some troubles but eventually

also give some solutions to overcome the same.

b. Mars is vargothamma - which is good

c. Mars moves to 11 th house in chalita chakra (and mars is weak being in

bhava sandhi - it can not produce its complete effects).

 

3. Now can you corroborate the above theoritical discussion with your

practical Life example? Given below are the dashas you have been through so far.

Is this calculation correct? If so, can you discuss how your Mars Dasha and Rahu

Dasha have been?

Vimsottari Dasa:

Maha Dasas:

Mars: 1980-01-19 - 1987-01-19

Rah: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19

 

Answer: As you have correctly indicated Mars dasha period was from: 1980-01-19 -

1987-01-19. I was born during Mars-Guru period (Aug 1981).

 

General effects: As I was a kid, i am stating the facts as given by my parents

and grandparents: I started speaking very early (around 2.5 yrs i was very much

clear in conversing). I joined the school when i was 3 years and hence i was

under-age till the end of my schooling. I was considered as a good

and intelligent student (top 5%). It seems i used to be very martain - will be

running wrecklessly here and there, can not stay quiet--sometimes very

aggressive

like breaking bottles at home, throwing utensils here and there etc. Always

fighting with my sister. This energetic! behaviour worried my parents a lot and

finally led the change of my name from Venkatesh (initially given name) to

Venkataragavalu (telugu numerologist) based on numerology!

My parents said that after changing the name i became much calmer than before!

 

Meanwhile, mars dasha also caused on and off health problems. More related to

respiratory (ENT) problems (not asthma) combined with fever.

 

Other significant events during Mars dasha:

 

Ma-Sa (1981-82) : ENT troubles and fever. One time very serious.

Ma-Me (1983): sister was born (mars as karaka, Mercury in third house of navamsa

aspected by third lord).

Ma-Ke (1984): accident to father (mars 9th lord) but he recovered. It was a

major accident but he escaped without fracture though he was put under bed rest

for several months to recover the body and back-bone subjected to stress and

shock from the impact.

During Mars and rahu dasha general domestic happiness was average, (mars 4th

lord), with some on and off quarrels within family (neecha effect)- but nothing

went out of proportion-all ended amicably (neecha bhanga+vargothamma effect).

 

One can see that neecha mars has given problems. However, since it is

yogakaraka, it has neecha bhanga and also vargothamma i feel that the effects

were not severe.

 

 

(I have left out Jupiter dasha since it is not of interest to us, we are not

reading your chart and only interested in Neecha/ Neecha Bhanga)

 

Answer: What you have done is right. It is not my intention to have any

predictions or readings from the group members. I have posted the questions for

learning the concepts. So any help is appreciated.

 

 

4.How about Rahu-Mars:

Rah MD: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19

Antardasas in this MD:

Mars: 2004-01-02 - 2005-01-19

 

Answer: Rahu-Mars period i had some gastro-intestinal problems (Mars and rahu

aspects 6th house in D1) due to some protozoal infection which was cured at the

beginning of Gu-Gu. It was a period of stress also. But nothing

severe.

 

 

5. Please discuss the above theoritical answers with your practical experience.

Let us start with the " simple " concept of Neecha Bhanga first and then we can

deal with the rest. Please also note that in general we dont encourage personal

chart examples, unless it illustrates a general concept, because people tend to

get very personal and causes problems .

 

Answer: I can assure you that i will not cause any problem. But still as a

matter of group policy, if you do not want to discuss this case, we can take any

other case depending on your or other members inputs which can explain the

concepts that i intend to learn.

 

I have given my view points along with the facts. Now, you all can expand my

understanding with your views.

 

Thank you for your consideration, time and be blessed by the divine light!

 

Regards,

Venkat

 

 

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Venkat Ji,

>  

> You have asked several " billion dollar questions " . So let me reverse

the table and ask you simple questions and ask you to start the discussion,

since this is a discussion group (and not a Q & A group) and you should start

the discussion, with your views first:

>  

> You wrote:

>

> //Because i have a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga) in 12th

house in both D1 (leo lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).

> (24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)//

>

> 1. Please explain why do you think Mars is Neecha Bhanga? Can you please state

the different rules for Neecha Bhanga and why you say Mars is Neecha Bhanga?

>

> 2. If you convince yourself (and us) that Mars is indeed Neecha Bhanga, then

please let us know what results do you expect from the Neecha Bhanga Mars vs

Plain Neecha Mars in General.

>  

> 3. Now can you corroborate the above theoritical discussion with your

practical Life example? Given below are the dashas you have been through so far.

Is this calculation correct? If so, can you discuss how your Mars Dasha and Rahu

Dasha have been?

>   Vimsottari Dasa:

>  Maha Dasas:

>  Mars: 1980-01-19 - 1987-01-19 

>  Rah: 1987-01-19  - 2005-01-19

>  

> (I have left out Jupiter dasha since it is not of interest to us, we are not

reading your chart and only interested in Neecha/ Neecha Bhanga)

>

> How about Rahu-Mars:

>

> Rah MD: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19

>   Antardasas in this MD:

>    Mars: 2004-01-02  - 2005-01-19

>  

> Please discuss the above theoritical answers with your practical experience.

>  

> Let us start with the " simple " concept of Neecha Bhanga first and then we can

deal with the rest.

>  

> Please also note that in general we dont encourage personal chart examples,

unless it illustrates a general concept, because people tend to get very

personal and causes problems .

>

> Regards,

>  -Manoj

>  

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Venkat <v.sivagnanam

>

> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:12:25 PM

> Doubts on the effects of Vakri and

Vargotamma planets

>

>  

> Dear Learned members:

> Could you please throw some light and clear my following doubts:

>

> 1. What is the effect of a vakri planet (malefic / benefic)?

> Some say a planet in vakri is not good and some say its okay and fine.

> Some say that retrogression makes a planet strong

> Some say a neecha planet being vakri is almost exalted whereas an exalted

planet in vakri is debilitated. What does scriptures say and what does your

experience say? Please throw some light with examples on the these issues.

>

> 2. Is vargothamma concept applied only w.r.t. D9? Can we use vargothamma

concept also to other divisional charts? Can we say that, for example, if Venus

being 10th lord in rasi and vargothamma in D10 then its good for professional

rise?

>

> 3. If vargothamma is equivalent to exaltation then what is the effect of a

neecha planet in vargothamma? Is it good or bad or average like neecha bhanga?

Can it be also considered to be exalted? Please give an example. Because i have

a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga) in 12th house in both D1 (leo

lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).

> (24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)

>

> Thank you for your time and looking forward to your detailed response that

will enable me to learn from you all.

>

> My respects to you all. Be blessed by the divine light!

>

> kind regards,

> Venkat

>

[Guest guest]

Dear friend,

 

4th lord mars

 

vargottma in 12th house

 

and being vakri

 

can give you

 

lot of interest in

 

possessing

4th house related matters

 

such as academic certificates, vehicles, real estates/ houses.

 

Did mars provide you with all these benefits ?

 

Since your born in Mars period...it is supposed that these things must have been

acquired

 

by your father.

 

Please provide feed back for futher discussion.

 

Regards,

 

 

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

 

, " Venkat " <v.sivagnanam

wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Manoj:

>

> //Because i have a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga) in 12th

house in both D1 (leo lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).

> (24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)//

>

> 1. Please explain why do you think Mars is Neecha Bhanga? Can you please

state the different rules for Neecha Bhanga and why you say Mars is Neecha

Bhanga?

>

> Answer: As far as I have learned, When the dispositor of the sign where

the neecha planet is placed or when the planet that is exalted in the same sign

is in a kendra from moon or from lagna then the neechatva gets annuled.

> Also if a planet is neecha in D1 and exalted in D9 that also can gives neecha

bhanga (according to Uttar kalamritam).

>

> Also, if a planet is exalted and vakri, some say, that it behaves as if it

is neecha .

>

> 2. If you convince yourself (and us) that Mars is indeed Neecha Bhanga,

then please let us know what results do you expect from the Neecha Bhanga Mars

vs Plain Neecha Mars in General.

>

> a. Here, in this case dispositor of Mars, i.e. Moon is in 10th from lagna.

So, mars has got neecha bhanga. First will give some troubles but eventually

also give some solutions to overcome the same.

> b. Mars is vargothamma - which is good

> c. Mars moves to 11 th house in chalita chakra (and mars is weak being in

bhava sandhi - it can not produce its complete effects).

>

> 3. Now can you corroborate the above theoritical discussion with your

practical Life example? Given below are the dashas you have been through so far.

Is this calculation correct? If so, can you discuss how your Mars Dasha and Rahu

Dasha have been?

> Vimsottari Dasa:

> Maha Dasas:

> Mars: 1980-01-19 - 1987-01-19

> Rah: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19

>

> Answer: As you have correctly indicated Mars dasha period was from: 1980-01-19

- 1987-01-19. I was born during Mars-Guru period (Aug 1981).

>

> General effects: As I was a kid, i am stating the facts as given by my parents

and grandparents: I started speaking very early (around 2.5 yrs i was very much

clear in conversing). I joined the school when i was 3 years and hence i was

under-age till the end of my schooling. I was considered as a good

> and intelligent student (top 5%). It seems i used to be very martain - will be

running wrecklessly here and there, can not stay quiet--sometimes very

aggressive

> like breaking bottles at home, throwing utensils here and there etc. Always

fighting with my sister. This energetic! behaviour worried my parents a lot and

finally led the change of my name from Venkatesh (initially given name) to

Venkataragavalu (telugu numerologist) based on numerology!

> My parents said that after changing the name i became much calmer than before!

>

> Meanwhile, mars dasha also caused on and off health problems. More related to

respiratory (ENT) problems (not asthma) combined with fever.

>

> Other significant events during Mars dasha:

>

> Ma-Sa (1981-82) : ENT troubles and fever. One time very serious.

> Ma-Me (1983): sister was born (mars as karaka, Mercury in third house of

navamsa aspected by third lord).

> Ma-Ke (1984): accident to father (mars 9th lord) but he recovered. It was a

major accident but he escaped without fracture though he was put under bed rest

for several months to recover the body and back-bone subjected to stress and

shock from the impact.

> During Mars and rahu dasha general domestic happiness was average, (mars 4th

lord), with some on and off quarrels within family (neecha effect)- but nothing

went out of proportion-all ended amicably (neecha bhanga+vargothamma effect).

>

> One can see that neecha mars has given problems. However, since it is

yogakaraka, it has neecha bhanga and also vargothamma i feel that the effects

were not severe.

>

>

> (I have left out Jupiter dasha since it is not of interest to us, we are not

reading your chart and only interested in Neecha/ Neecha Bhanga)

>

> Answer: What you have done is right. It is not my intention to have any

predictions or readings from the group members. I have posted the questions for

learning the concepts. So any help is appreciated.

>

>

> 4.How about Rahu-Mars:

> Rah MD: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19

> Antardasas in this MD:

> Mars: 2004-01-02 - 2005-01-19

>

> Answer: Rahu-Mars period i had some gastro-intestinal problems (Mars and rahu

aspects 6th house in D1) due to some protozoal infection which was cured at the

beginning of Gu-Gu. It was a period of stress also. But nothing

> severe.

>

>

> 5. Please discuss the above theoritical answers with your practical

experience. Let us start with the " simple " concept of Neecha Bhanga first and

then we can deal with the rest. Please also note that in general we dont

encourage personal chart examples, unless it illustrates a general concept,

because people tend to get very personal and causes problems .

>

> Answer: I can assure you that i will not cause any problem. But still as a

matter of group policy, if you do not want to discuss this case, we can take any

other case depending on your or other members inputs which can explain the

concepts that i intend to learn.

>

> I have given my view points along with the facts. Now, you all can expand my

understanding with your views.

>

> Thank you for your consideration, time and be blessed by the divine light!

>

> Regards,

> Venkat

>

>

> , Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Venkat Ji,

> >  

> > You have asked several " billion dollar questions " . So let me reverse

the table and ask you simple questions and ask you to start the discussion,

since this is a discussion group (and not a Q & A group) and you should start

the discussion, with your views first:

> >  

> > You wrote:

> >

> > //Because i have a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga) in 12th

house in both D1 (leo lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).

> > (24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)//

> >

> > 1. Please explain why do you think Mars is Neecha Bhanga? Can you please

state the different rules for Neecha Bhanga and why you say Mars is Neecha

Bhanga?

> >

> > 2. If you convince yourself (and us) that Mars is indeed Neecha Bhanga, then

please let us know what results do you expect from the Neecha Bhanga Mars vs

Plain Neecha Mars in General.

> >  

> > 3. Now can you corroborate the above theoritical discussion with your

practical Life example? Given below are the dashas you have been through so far.

Is this calculation correct? If so, can you discuss how your Mars Dasha and Rahu

Dasha have been?

> >   Vimsottari Dasa:

> >  Maha Dasas:

> >  Mars: 1980-01-19 - 1987-01-19 

> >  Rah: 1987-01-19  - 2005-01-19

> >  

> > (I have left out Jupiter dasha since it is not of interest to us, we are not

reading your chart and only interested in Neecha/ Neecha Bhanga)

> >

> > How about Rahu-Mars:

> >

> > Rah MD: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19

> >   Antardasas in this MD:

> >    Mars: 2004-01-02  - 2005-01-19

> >  

> > Please discuss the above theoritical answers with your practical experience.

> >  

> > Let us start with the " simple " concept of Neecha Bhanga first and then we

can deal with the rest.

> >  

> > Please also note that in general we dont encourage personal chart examples,

unless it illustrates a general concept, because people tend to get very

personal and causes problems .

> >

> > Regards,

> >  -Manoj

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Venkat <v.sivagnanam@>

> >

> > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:12:25 PM

> > Doubts on the effects of Vakri and

Vargotamma planets

> >

> >  

> > Dear Learned members:

> > Could you please throw some light and clear my following doubts:

> >

> > 1. What is the effect of a vakri planet (malefic / benefic)?

> > Some say a planet in vakri is not good and some say its okay and fine.

> > Some say that retrogression makes a planet strong

> > Some say a neecha planet being vakri is almost exalted whereas an exalted

planet in vakri is debilitated. What does scriptures say and what does your

experience say? Please throw some light with examples on the these issues.

> >

> > 2. Is vargothamma concept applied only w.r.t. D9? Can we use vargothamma

concept also to other divisional charts? Can we say that, for example, if Venus

being 10th lord in rasi and vargothamma in D10 then its good for professional

rise?

> >

> > 3. If vargothamma is equivalent to exaltation then what is the effect of a

neecha planet in vargothamma? Is it good or bad or average like neecha bhanga?

Can it be also considered to be exalted? Please give an example. Because i have

a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga) in 12th house in both D1 (leo

lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).

> > (24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)

> >

> > Thank you for your time and looking forward to your detailed response that

will enable me to learn from you all.

> >

> > My respects to you all. Be blessed by the divine light!

> >

> > kind regards,

> > Venkat

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Mrutyunjay,

 

4th house lord is neecha with neecha bhanga and vargotamma. But it is not vakri

as you have mentioned.

 

It did not give me any vehicles (may be a motorbike to my father), no

lands/houses. I was too small to have any academic certificates during Mars

dasha but now i hold degrees now.

 

From my childhood till date i am only owning and riding bicycle or using public

transport.

 

Moreover: May I kindly request you to explain the principle or concept on which

your following statement is based upon:

 

//4th lord mars vargottma in 12th house and being vakri

can give you lot of interest in possessing 4th house related matters

such as academic certificates, vehicles, real estates/ houses//

 

 

kind regards,

Venkat

 

 

 

 

 

, " Mrutyunjay Tripathy "

<astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote:

>

> Dear friend,

>

> 4th lord mars

>

> vargottma in 12th house

>

> and being vakri

>

> can give you

>

> lot of interest in

>

> possessing

> 4th house related matters

>

> such as academic certificates, vehicles, real estates/ houses.

>

> Did mars provide you with all these benefits ?

>

> Since your born in Mars period...it is supposed that these things must have

been acquired

>

> by your father.

>

> Please provide feed back for futher discussion.

>

> Regards,

>

>

> Mrutyunjay Tripathy

>

> , " Venkat " <v.sivagnanam@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Manoj:

> >

> > //Because i have a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga) in 12th

house in both D1 (leo lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).

> > (24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)//

> >

> > 1. Please explain why do you think Mars is Neecha Bhanga? Can you please

state the different rules for Neecha Bhanga and why you say Mars is Neecha

Bhanga?

> >

> > Answer: As far as I have learned, When the dispositor of the sign where

the neecha planet is placed or when the planet that is exalted in the same sign

is in a kendra from moon or from lagna then the neechatva gets annuled.

> > Also if a planet is neecha in D1 and exalted in D9 that also can gives

neecha bhanga (according to Uttar kalamritam).

> >

> > Also, if a planet is exalted and vakri, some say, that it behaves as if

it is neecha .

> >

> > 2. If you convince yourself (and us) that Mars is indeed Neecha Bhanga,

then please let us know what results do you expect from the Neecha Bhanga Mars

vs Plain Neecha Mars in General.

> >

> > a. Here, in this case dispositor of Mars, i.e. Moon is in 10th from

lagna. So, mars has got neecha bhanga. First will give some troubles but

eventually also give some solutions to overcome the same.

> > b. Mars is vargothamma - which is good

> > c. Mars moves to 11 th house in chalita chakra (and mars is weak being in

bhava sandhi - it can not produce its complete effects).

> >

> > 3. Now can you corroborate the above theoritical discussion with your

practical Life example? Given below are the dashas you have been through so far.

Is this calculation correct? If so, can you discuss how your Mars Dasha and Rahu

Dasha have been?

> > Vimsottari Dasa:

> > Maha Dasas:

> > Mars: 1980-01-19 - 1987-01-19

> > Rah: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19

> >

> > Answer: As you have correctly indicated Mars dasha period was from:

1980-01-19 - 1987-01-19. I was born during Mars-Guru period (Aug 1981).

> >

> > General effects: As I was a kid, i am stating the facts as given by my

parents and grandparents: I started speaking very early (around 2.5 yrs i was

very much clear in conversing). I joined the school when i was 3 years and hence

i was under-age till the end of my schooling. I was considered as a good

> > and intelligent student (top 5%). It seems i used to be very martain - will

be running wrecklessly here and there, can not stay quiet--sometimes very

aggressive

> > like breaking bottles at home, throwing utensils here and there etc. Always

fighting with my sister. This energetic! behaviour worried my parents a lot and

finally led the change of my name from Venkatesh (initially given name) to

Venkataragavalu (telugu numerologist) based on numerology!

> > My parents said that after changing the name i became much calmer than

before!

> >

> > Meanwhile, mars dasha also caused on and off health problems. More related

to respiratory (ENT) problems (not asthma) combined with fever.

> >

> > Other significant events during Mars dasha:

> >

> > Ma-Sa (1981-82) : ENT troubles and fever. One time very serious.

> > Ma-Me (1983): sister was born (mars as karaka, Mercury in third house of

navamsa aspected by third lord).

> > Ma-Ke (1984): accident to father (mars 9th lord) but he recovered. It was a

major accident but he escaped without fracture though he was put under bed rest

for several months to recover the body and back-bone subjected to stress and

shock from the impact.

> > During Mars and rahu dasha general domestic happiness was average, (mars 4th

lord), with some on and off quarrels within family (neecha effect)- but nothing

went out of proportion-all ended amicably (neecha bhanga+vargothamma effect).

> >

> > One can see that neecha mars has given problems. However, since it is

yogakaraka, it has neecha bhanga and also vargothamma i feel that the effects

were not severe.

> >

> >

> > (I have left out Jupiter dasha since it is not of interest to us, we are not

reading your chart and only interested in Neecha/ Neecha Bhanga)

> >

> > Answer: What you have done is right. It is not my intention to have any

predictions or readings from the group members. I have posted the questions for

learning the concepts. So any help is appreciated.

> >

> >

> > 4.How about Rahu-Mars:

> > Rah MD: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19

> > Antardasas in this MD:

> > Mars: 2004-01-02 - 2005-01-19

> >

> > Answer: Rahu-Mars period i had some gastro-intestinal problems (Mars and

rahu aspects 6th house in D1) due to some protozoal infection which was cured at

the beginning of Gu-Gu. It was a period of stress also. But nothing

> > severe.

> >

> >

> > 5. Please discuss the above theoritical answers with your practical

experience. Let us start with the " simple " concept of Neecha Bhanga first and

then we can deal with the rest. Please also note that in general we dont

encourage personal chart examples, unless it illustrates a general concept,

because people tend to get very personal and causes problems .

> >

> > Answer: I can assure you that i will not cause any problem. But still as a

matter of group policy, if you do not want to discuss this case, we can take any

other case depending on your or other members inputs which can explain the

concepts that i intend to learn.

> >

> > I have given my view points along with the facts. Now, you all can expand my

understanding with your views.

> >

> > Thank you for your consideration, time and be blessed by the divine light!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Venkat

> >

> >

> > , Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Venkat Ji,

> > > �

> > > You have asked several " billion dollar questions " . So let me reverse

the�table and ask you simple questions and ask you to start the discussion,

since this is a discussion group (and not a�Q & A group)�and you should

start the discussion, with your views first:

> > > �

> > > You wrote:

> > >

> > > //Because i have a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga) in 12th

house in both D1 (leo lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).

> > > (24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)//

> > >

> > > 1. Please explain why do you think Mars is Neecha Bhanga? Can you please

state the different rules for Neecha Bhanga and why you say Mars is Neecha

Bhanga?

> > >

> > > 2. If you convince yourself (and us) that Mars is indeed Neecha Bhanga,

then please let us know what results do you expect from the Neecha Bhanga Mars

vs Plain Neecha Mars in General.

> > > �

> > > 3. Now can you corroborate the above theoritical discussion with your

practical Life example? Given below are the dashas you have been through so far.

Is this calculation correct? If so, can you discuss how your Mars Dasha and Rahu

Dasha have been?

> > > ��Vimsottari Dasa:

> > > �Maha Dasas:

> > > �Mars: 1980-01-19 - 1987-01-19�

> > > �Rah: 1987-01-19� - 2005-01-19

> > > �

> > > (I have left out Jupiter dasha since it is not of interest to us, we are

not reading your chart and only interested in Neecha/ Neecha Bhanga)

> > >

> > > How about Rahu-Mars:

> > >

> > > Rah MD: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19

> > > � Antardasas in this MD:

> > > �� Mars: 2004-01-02� - 2005-01-19

> > > �

> > > Please discuss the above theoritical answers with your practical

experience.

> > > �

> > > Let us start with the " simple " concept of Neecha Bhanga first and then we

can deal with the rest.

> > > �

> > > Please also note that in general we dont encourage personal chart

examples, unless it illustrates a general concept, because people tend to get

very personal and causes problems .

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > �-Manoj

> > > �

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Venkat <v.sivagnanam@>

> > >

> > > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:12:25 PM

> > > Doubts on the effects of Vakri and

Vargotamma planets

> > >

> > > �

> > > Dear Learned members:

> > > Could you please throw some light and clear my following doubts:

> > >

> > > 1. What is the effect of a vakri planet (malefic / benefic)?

> > > Some say a planet in vakri is not good and some say its okay and fine.

> > > Some say that retrogression makes a planet strong

> > > Some say a neecha planet being vakri is almost exalted whereas an exalted

planet in vakri is debilitated. What does scriptures say and what does your

experience say? Please throw some light with examples on the these issues.

> > >

> > > 2. Is vargothamma concept applied only w.r.t. D9? Can we use vargothamma

concept also to other divisional charts? Can we say that, for example, if Venus

being 10th lord in rasi and vargothamma in D10 then its good for professional

rise?

> > >

> > > 3. If vargothamma is equivalent to exaltation then what is the effect of a

neecha planet in vargothamma? Is it good or bad or average like neecha bhanga?

Can it be also considered to be exalted? Please give an example. Because i have

a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga) in 12th house in both D1 (leo

lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).

> > > (24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)

> > >

> > > Thank you for your time and looking forward to your detailed response that

will enable me to learn from you all.

> > >

> > > My respects to you all. Be blessed by the divine light!

> > >

> > > kind regards,

> > > Venkat

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Venkat ji, Thanks for that elaborate and informative inputs. //Also, if a planet is exalted and vakri, some say, that it behaves as if it is neecha .// Who says so? What is your reference for the above statement? //> One can see that neecha mars has given problems. However, since it

is yogakaraka, it has neecha bhanga and also vargothamma i feel that

the effects were not severe.// You are right - If a planet is neecha (debilitated) it will definitely give its intended bad results, but if Neecha Bhanga is present the effects will not be severe (even though there is no cancellation). Neecha bhanga is not actually 'cancellation of debilitation' but only 'mellowing down of debilitation effects' only. Note: My opinion is that there is nothing called "cancellation of results" in astrology. (If so it would have been nearly impossible for astrologers to predict any results at all; it is just because 'there is no cancellation of results' that we are able to predict even for fragments like 'Saturn in 4th house' or 'Rahu in 8th house' or 'Sun in lagna'). Without rejecting the concept of "Cancellation of results", it is impossible to learn Ancient Indian Astrology" in a systematic way - I believe.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Venkat" <v.sivagnanam wrote:>> Dear Mr. Manoj:> > //Because i have a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga) in 12th house in both D1 (leo lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).> (24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)//> > 1. Please explain why do you think Mars is Neecha Bhanga? Can you please state the different rules for Neecha Bhanga and why you say Mars is Neecha Bhanga?> > Answer: As far as I have learned, When the dispositor of the sign where the neecha planet is placed or when the planet that is exalted in the same sign is in a kendra from moon or from lagna then the neechatva gets annuled. > Also if a planet is neecha in D1 and exalted in D9 that also can gives neecha bhanga (according to Uttar kalamritam).> > Also, if a planet is exalted and vakri, some say, that it behaves as if it is neecha .> > 2. If you convince yourself (and us) that Mars is indeed Neecha Bhanga, then please let us know what results do you expect from the Neecha Bhanga Mars vs Plain Neecha Mars in General.> > a. Here, in this case dispositor of Mars, i.e. Moon is in 10th from lagna. So, mars has got neecha bhanga. First will give some troubles but eventually also give some solutions to overcome the same.> b. Mars is vargothamma - which is good> c. Mars moves to 11 th house in chalita chakra (and mars is weak being in bhava sandhi - it can not produce its complete effects).> > 3. Now can you corroborate the above theoritical discussion with your practical Life example? Given below are the dashas you have been through so far. Is this calculation correct? If so, can you discuss how your Mars Dasha and Rahu Dasha have been?> Vimsottari Dasa:> Maha Dasas:> Mars: 1980-01-19 - 1987-01-19 > Rah: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19> > Answer: As you have correctly indicated Mars dasha period was from: 1980-01-19 - 1987-01-19. I was born during Mars-Guru period (Aug 1981).> > General effects: As I was a kid, i am stating the facts as given by my parents and grandparents: I started speaking very early (around 2.5 yrs i was very much clear in conversing). I joined the school when i was 3 years and hence i was under-age till the end of my schooling. I was considered as a good> and intelligent student (top 5%). It seems i used to be very martain - will be running wrecklessly here and there, can not stay quiet--sometimes very aggressive> like breaking bottles at home, throwing utensils here and there etc. Always fighting with my sister. This energetic! behaviour worried my parents a lot and finally led the change of my name from Venkatesh (initially given name) to Venkataragavalu (telugu numerologist) based on numerology!> My parents said that after changing the name i became much calmer than before!> > Meanwhile, mars dasha also caused on and off health problems. More related to respiratory (ENT) problems (not asthma) combined with fever.> > Other significant events during Mars dasha:> > Ma-Sa (1981-82) : ENT troubles and fever. One time very serious.> Ma-Me (1983): sister was born (mars as karaka, Mercury in third house of navamsa aspected by third lord).> Ma-Ke (1984): accident to father (mars 9th lord) but he recovered. It was a major accident but he escaped without fracture though he was put under bed rest for several months to recover the body and back-bone subjected to stress and shock from the impact.> During Mars and rahu dasha general domestic happiness was average, (mars 4th lord), with some on and off quarrels within family (neecha effect)- but nothing went out of proportion-all ended amicably (neecha bhanga+vargothamma effect).> > One can see that neecha mars has given problems. However, since it is yogakaraka, it has neecha bhanga and also vargothamma i feel that the effects were not severe.> > > (I have left out Jupiter dasha since it is not of interest to us, we are not reading your chart and only interested in Neecha/ Neecha Bhanga)> > Answer: What you have done is right. It is not my intention to have any predictions or readings from the group members. I have posted the questions for learning the concepts. So any help is appreciated.> > > 4.How about Rahu-Mars:> Rah MD: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19> Antardasas in this MD:> Mars: 2004-01-02 - 2005-01-19> > Answer: Rahu-Mars period i had some gastro-intestinal problems (Mars and rahu aspects 6th house in D1) due to some protozoal infection which was cured at the beginning of Gu-Gu. It was a period of stress also. But nothing> severe.> > > 5. Please discuss the above theoritical answers with your practical experience. Let us start with the "simple" concept of Neecha Bhanga first and then we can deal with the rest. Please also note that in general we dont encourage personal chart examples, unless it illustrates a general concept, because people tend to get very personal and causes problems .> > Answer: I can assure you that i will not cause any problem. But still as a matter of group policy, if you do not want to discuss this case, we can take any other case depending on your or other members inputs which can explain the concepts that i intend to learn. > > I have given my view points along with the facts. Now, you all can expand my understanding with your views.> > Thank you for your consideration, time and be blessed by the divine light!> > Regards,> Venkat> > > , Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ wrote:> >> > Dear Venkat Ji,> > > > You have asked several "billion dollar questions" . So let me reverse the table and ask you simple questions and ask you to start the discussion, since this is a discussion group (and not a Q & A group) and you should start the discussion, with your views first:> > > > You wrote:> > > > //Because i have a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga) in 12th house in both D1 (leo lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).> > (24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)//> > > > 1. Please explain why do you think Mars is Neecha Bhanga? Can you please state the different rules for Neecha Bhanga and why you say Mars is Neecha Bhanga?> > > > 2. If you convince yourself (and us) that Mars is indeed Neecha Bhanga, then please let us know what results do you expect from the Neecha Bhanga Mars vs Plain Neecha Mars in General.> > > > 3. Now can you corroborate the above theoritical discussion with your practical Life example? Given below are the dashas you have been through so far. Is this calculation correct? If so, can you discuss how your Mars Dasha and Rahu Dasha have been?> > Vimsottari Dasa:> > Maha Dasas:> > Mars: 1980-01-19 - 1987-01-19 > > Rah: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19> > > > (I have left out Jupiter dasha since it is not of interest to us, we are not reading your chart and only interested in Neecha/ Neecha Bhanga)> > > > How about Rahu-Mars:> > > > Rah MD: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19 > > Antardasas in this MD:> > Mars: 2004-01-02 - 2005-01-19 > > > > Please discuss the above theoritical answers with your practical experience.> > > > Let us start with the "simple" concept of Neecha Bhanga first and then we can deal with the rest.> > > > Please also note that in general we dont encourage personal chart examples, unless it illustrates a general concept, because people tend to get very personal and causes problems .> > > > Regards,> > -Manoj

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

Thanks for your comments.

Regarding the following statement:

 

//Also, if a planet is exalted and vakri, some say, that it behaves as

if it is neecha .//

 

Pointer 1:

 

The following is an excerpt from a message that you have posted to the groups in

the past under the thread names as: Retrograde of planets.

 

As per Phaladeepika †"

 

Vakram gate swacha phalam vidadyal

 

Sapatna neecharksha gato(a)pi khetaH

 

(Phaladeepika)

 

[Even if in enemy sign or in debilitation, if the planet is retrograde, the

result equivalent to exaltation should be predicted (since exaltation makes them

stronger)]

 

In this it is mentioned that a vakri planet in debilitation = result will be

like exalted one.

 

This is my question: So, now should we not take that the opposite is also true.

That is vakri and exalted planet can loose its power to do good (though it can

not turn out bad).

 

 

Pointer 2:

In another post under the same thread, Mr. Bhaskar ji, on Oct 20 2008 s, has

written to the group the following statement:

 

PLEASE READ THE FIRST LINE OF MY MAIL AS -

 

" Yes, Retrogression for EXALTED planets may not be good actually "

 

I have no comments on actual retrogression, but only commenting on exalted

retro, and debilitated retro.

 

/message/14967

 

My question: Mr. Bhaskar ji could you please elaborate your statements with

more examples and explanations - if possible with reference to any literature on

this point. Thanks a lot.

 

 

Now, please give me your practical tips and share your experience on how to use

the vakri+exaltated planet or vakri+debilitated planet or malefic+vakri planet,

benefic+vakri planet while using them in predictions.

 

I am asking this for learning purpose only. Any goodself can guide me.

 

Thanks a lot for your time and consideration. Be blessed by the divine light!

 

Kind regards,

Venkat

 

 

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Venkat ji,

> Thanks for that elaborate and informative inputs.

> //Also, if a planet is exalted and vakri, some say, that it behaves as

> if it is neecha .//

> Who says so? What is your reference for the above statement?

> //> One can see that neecha mars has given problems. However, since it

> is yogakaraka, it has neecha bhanga and also vargothamma i feel that the

> effects were not severe.//

> You are right - If a planet is neecha (debilitated) it will definitely

> give its intended bad results, but if Neecha Bhanga is present the

> effects will not be severe (even though there is no cancellation).

> Neecha bhanga is not actually 'cancellation of debilitation' but only

> 'mellowing down of debilitation effects' only.

> Note: My opinion is that there is nothing called " cancellation of

> results " in astrology. (If so it would have been nearly impossible for

> astrologers to predict any results at all; it is just because 'there is

> no cancellation of results' that we are able to predict even for

> fragments like 'Saturn in 4th house' or 'Rahu in 8th house' or 'Sun in

> lagna'). Without rejecting the concept of " Cancellation of results " , it

> is impossible to learn Ancient Indian Astrology " in a systematic way - I

> believe.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Venkat "

> <v.sivagnanam@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Manoj:

> >

> > //Because i have a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga)

> in 12th house in both D1 (leo lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).

> > (24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)//

> >

> > 1. Please explain why do you think Mars is Neecha Bhanga? Can you

> please state the different rules for Neecha Bhanga and why you say Mars

> is Neecha Bhanga?

> >

> > Answer: As far as I have learned, When the dispositor of the sign

> where the neecha planet is placed or when the planet that is exalted in

> the same sign is in a kendra from moon or from lagna then the neechatva

> gets annuled.

> > Also if a planet is neecha in D1 and exalted in D9 that also can gives

> neecha bhanga (according to Uttar kalamritam).

> >

> > Also, if a planet is exalted and vakri, some say, that it behaves

> as if it is neecha .

> >

> > 2. If you convince yourself (and us) that Mars is indeed Neecha

> Bhanga, then please let us know what results do you expect from the

> Neecha Bhanga Mars vs Plain Neecha Mars in General.

> >

> > a. Here, in this case dispositor of Mars, i.e. Moon is in 10th from

> lagna. So, mars has got neecha bhanga. First will give some troubles but

> eventually also give some solutions to overcome the same.

> > b. Mars is vargothamma - which is good

> > c. Mars moves to 11 th house in chalita chakra (and mars is weak

> being in bhava sandhi - it can not produce its complete effects).

> >

> > 3. Now can you corroborate the above theoritical discussion with

> your practical Life example? Given below are the dashas you have been

> through so far. Is this calculation correct? If so, can you discuss how

> your Mars Dasha and Rahu Dasha have been?

> > Vimsottari Dasa:

> > Maha Dasas:

> > Mars: 1980-01-19 - 1987-01-19

> > Rah: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19

> >

> > Answer: As you have correctly indicated Mars dasha period was from:

> 1980-01-19 - 1987-01-19. I was born during Mars-Guru period (Aug 1981).

> >

> > General effects: As I was a kid, i am stating the facts as given by my

> parents and grandparents: I started speaking very early (around 2.5 yrs

> i was very much clear in conversing). I joined the school when i was 3

> years and hence i was under-age till the end of my schooling. I was

> considered as a good

> > and intelligent student (top 5%). It seems i used to be very martain -

> will be running wrecklessly here and there, can not stay

> quiet--sometimes very aggressive

> > like breaking bottles at home, throwing utensils here and there etc.

> Always fighting with my sister. This energetic! behaviour worried my

> parents a lot and finally led the change of my name from Venkatesh

> (initially given name) to Venkataragavalu (telugu numerologist) based on

> numerology!

> > My parents said that after changing the name i became much calmer than

> before!

> >

> > Meanwhile, mars dasha also caused on and off health problems. More

> related to respiratory (ENT) problems (not asthma) combined with fever.

> >

> > Other significant events during Mars dasha:

> >

> > Ma-Sa (1981-82) : ENT troubles and fever. One time very

> serious.

> > Ma-Me (1983): sister was born (mars as karaka, Mercury in third house

> of navamsa aspected by third lord).

> > Ma-Ke (1984): accident to father (mars 9th lord) but he recovered. It

> was a major accident but he escaped without fracture though he was put

> under bed rest for several months to recover the body and back-bone

> subjected to stress and shock from the impact.

> > During Mars and rahu dasha general domestic happiness was average,

> (mars 4th lord), with some on and off quarrels within family (neecha

> effect)- but nothing went out of proportion-all ended amicably (neecha

> bhanga+vargothamma effect).

> >

> > One can see that neecha mars has given problems. However, since it is

> yogakaraka, it has neecha bhanga and also vargothamma i feel that the

> effects were not severe.

> >

> >

> > (I have left out Jupiter dasha since it is not of interest to us, we

> are not reading your chart and only interested in Neecha/ Neecha Bhanga)

> >

> > Answer: What you have done is right. It is not my intention to have

> any predictions or readings from the group members. I have posted the

> questions for learning the concepts. So any help is appreciated.

> >

> >

> > 4.How about Rahu-Mars:

> > Rah MD: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19

> > Antardasas in this MD:

> > Mars: 2004-01-02 - 2005-01-19

> >

> > Answer: Rahu-Mars period i had some gastro-intestinal problems (Mars

> and rahu aspects 6th house in D1) due to some protozoal infection which

> was cured at the beginning of Gu-Gu. It was a period of stress also. But

> nothing

> > severe.

> >

> >

> > 5. Please discuss the above theoritical answers with your practical

> experience. Let us start with the " simple " concept of Neecha Bhanga

> first and then we can deal with the rest. Please also note that in

> general we dont encourage personal chart examples, unless it illustrates

> a general concept, because people tend to get very personal and causes

> problems .

> >

> > Answer: I can assure you that i will not cause any problem. But still

> as a matter of group policy, if you do not want to discuss this case, we

> can take any other case depending on your or other members inputs which

> can explain the concepts that i intend to learn.

> >

> > I have given my view points along with the facts. Now, you all can

> expand my understanding with your views.

> >

> > Thank you for your consideration, time and be blessed by the divine

> light!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Venkat

> >

> >

> > , Manoj Chandran

> chandran_manoj@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Venkat Ji,

> > >

> > > You have asked several " billion dollar questions " . So let me

> reverse the table and ask you simple questions and ask you to start the

> discussion, since this is a discussion group (and not a Q & A group) and

> you should start the discussion, with your views first:

> > >

> > > You wrote:

> > >

> > > //Because i have a chart with Mars is neecha (with neecha bhnaga) in

> 12th house in both D1 (leo lagna) and D9 (leo lagna).

> > > (24.08.1981, 6:38 a.m., chennai)//

> > >

> > > 1. Please explain why do you think Mars is Neecha Bhanga? Can you

> please state the different rules for Neecha Bhanga and why you say Mars

> is Neecha Bhanga?

> > >

> > > 2. If you convince yourself (and us) that Mars is indeed Neecha

> Bhanga, then please let us know what results do you expect from the

> Neecha Bhanga Mars vs Plain Neecha Mars in General.

> > >

> > > 3. Now can you corroborate the above theoritical discussion with

> your practical Life example? Given below are the dashas you have been

> through so far. Is this calculation correct? If so, can you discuss how

> your Mars Dasha and Rahu Dasha have been?

> > > Vimsottari Dasa:

> > > Maha Dasas:

> > > Mars: 1980-01-19 - 1987-01-19

> > > Rah: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19

> > >

> > > (I have left out Jupiter dasha since it is not of interest to us, we

> are not reading your chart and only interested in Neecha/ Neecha Bhanga)

> > >

> > > How about Rahu-Mars:

> > >

> > > Rah MD: 1987-01-19 - 2005-01-19

> > > Antardasas in this MD:

> > > Mars: 2004-01-02 - 2005-01-19

> > >

> > > Please discuss the above theoritical answers with your practical

> experience.

> > >

> > > Let us start with the " simple " concept of Neecha Bhanga first and

> then we can deal with the rest.

> > >

> > > Please also note that in general we dont encourage personal chart

> examples, unless it illustrates a general concept, because people tend

> to get very personal and causes problems .

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > -Manoj

>

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Dear Venkat ji, //> In this it is mentioned that a vakri planet in debilitation = result will be like exalted one.>

This is my question: So, now should we not take that the opposite is

also true. That is vakri and exalted planet can loose its power to do

good (though it can not turn out bad).// No, that is NOT current - it cannot be! As you have clearly understood, as per phaladeepika, - * even a debilitated planet if in retrograde can be strong (similar to in exaltation) and can give beneficial results; * So if the planet is in exaltation and is in retrograde, it is evident that that the planet become VERY STRONG and will give very beneficial results! How come you assume it the other way round - I wonder! The same is the concept appreciated by Saravali, as evident from the fact that Saravali quotes a Rajayoga based on retrograde planet alone. Thus it is evident that even as per Saravali - "retrograde planets become strong and give beneficial results". But of course there is a lone reference in favor of your statement in a not so well known book - i.e. Trailokya Prakasha. The statement is as follows - " Vakraga abala vakranmargaga subhadha" (Trilokya Prakasha) [The planet is RETROGRADE motion is WEAK (and maleficial) and the same planet when turns DIRECT becomes beneficial (and STRONG)] But even this statement (which is just the opposite of the popular opinion - i.e. retro is strong and direct weak) only mean that - * Debilitated planet in retrograde is very weak and maleficial (and not strong and beneficial) * Exalted planet in retrograde is also weak and maleficial to and extend (and not very strong and very beneficial) Even this quote does not mean that - //retrograde and exalted planet can loose its power to do

good (though it can not turn out bad)/ - as you put it. That statement of yours is unsupported by any classics and the same CANNOT be deduced from my or bhaskar ji's statements as well. Even the above Trilokya prakasha statement is a neglected one and unsupported by other texts.//> Now, please give me your practical tips and share your experience

on how to use the vakri+exaltated planet or vakri+debilitated planet or

malefic+vakri planet, benefic+vakri planet while using them in

predictions.// 1) Vakri+ exalted planet = Just spell out the results attributed to Vakri planet and Exalted planets. Both will come correct since there is no cancellation of yogas in astrology. The results are generally beneficial; but please note that some maleficial results are also told for malefics in retrograde; and also for malefics even in exaltation. 2) vakri+debilitated planet = Just spell out the results attributed to Vakri planet and Debilitated planets. Both will come correct since there is no cancellation of yogas

in astrology. The results are a mix of some beneficial and mostly maleficial results in case of malefics, and some beneficial and some maleficial results in case of benefics. 3) malefic+vakri planet = Malefics in retrograde gives many bad results and make one suffer and wander a lot even though at the end gives good results. So in essence malefics in retrograde is beneficial but the results will not come so easily and for the native it won't be easy to agree that the period was benefical at all. Please check the results attributed to malefics in retrograde by Dasadhyayi and Saravali (you will find it in the archieves on the previous discussions on retrograde planets) 4) benefic+vakri planet = Benefics in retrograde gives many good results even though those results come a bit late only. Benefics in retrograde is beneficial; but we need to add some (good or bad) results of the previous sign (i.e. as if the planet is placed in previous sign) also into the results to get the correct picture. Please check the results attributed to benefics in

retrograde by Dasadhyayi and Saravali (you will find it in the

archieves on the previous discussions on retrograde planets) Hope this clarifies.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Venkat" <v.sivagnanam wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Thanks for your comments.> Regarding the following statement:> > //Also, if a planet is exalted and vakri, some say, that it behaves as> if it is neecha .//> > Pointer 1:> > The following is an excerpt from a message that you have posted to the groups in the past under the thread names as: Retrograde of planets.> > As per Phaladeepika â€"> > Vakram gate swacha phalam vidadyal> > Sapatna neecharksha gato(a)pi khetaH> > (Phaladeepika)> > [Even if in enemy sign or in debilitation, if the planet is retrograde, the result equivalent to exaltation should be predicted (since exaltation makes them stronger)]> > In this it is mentioned that a vakri planet in debilitation = result will be like exalted one.> > This is my question: So, now should we not take that the opposite is also true. That is vakri and exalted planet can loose its power to do good (though it can not turn out bad).> > > Pointer 2:> In another post under the same thread, Mr. Bhaskar ji, on Oct 20 2008 s, has written to the group the following statement:> > PLEASE READ THE FIRST LINE OF MY MAIL AS -> > " Yes, Retrogression for EXALTED planets may not be good actually" > > I have no comments on actual retrogression, but only commenting on exalted retro, and debilitated retro.> > /message/14967> > My question: Mr. Bhaskar ji could you please elaborate your statements with more examples and explanations - if possible with reference to any literature on this point. Thanks a lot.> > > Now, please give me your practical tips and share your experience on how to use the vakri+exaltated planet or vakri+debilitated planet or malefic+vakri planet, benefic+vakri planet while using them in predictions.> > I am asking this for learning purpose only. Any goodself can guide me.> > Thanks a lot for your time and consideration. Be blessed by the divine light!> > Kind regards,> Venkat

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

Nice mail. I also had a lot of confusion in the matter. Thanks.Regards, Anita--- On Sat, 15/8/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog Re: Doubts on the effects of Vakri and Vargotamma planets Date: Saturday, 15 August, 2009, 8:04 AM

Dear Venkat ji, //> In this it is mentioned that a vakri planet in debilitation = result will be like exalted one.> This is my question: So, now should we not take that the opposite is also true. That is vakri and exalted planet can loose its power to do good (though it can not turn out bad).// No, that is NOT current - it cannot be! As you have clearly understood, as per phaladeepika, - * even a debilitated planet if in retrograde can be strong (similar to in exaltation) and can give beneficial results; * So if the planet is in exaltation and is in retrograde, it is evident that that the planet become VERY STRONG and will give very beneficial results! How come you assume it the other way round - I wonder! The same is the concept appreciated by Saravali, as evident from the fact that Saravali quotes a Rajayoga based on

retrograde planet alone. Thus it is evident that even as per Saravali - "retrograde planets become strong and give beneficial results". But of course there is a lone reference in favor of your statement in a not so well known book - i.e. Trailokya Prakasha. The statement is as follows - " Vakraga abala vakranmargaga subhadha" (Trilokya Prakasha) [The planet is RETROGRADE motion is WEAK (and maleficial) and the same planet when turns DIRECT becomes beneficial (and STRONG)] But even this statement (which is just the opposite of the popular opinion - i.e. retro is strong and direct weak) only mean that - * Debilitated planet in retrograde is very weak and maleficial (and not strong and beneficial) * Exalted planet in retrograde is also weak and maleficial to and extend (and not very strong and very beneficial) Even this quote does not mean that -

//retrograde and exalted planet can loose its power to do good (though it can not turn out bad)/ - as you put it. That statement of yours is unsupported by any classics and the same CANNOT be deduced from my or bhaskar ji's statements as well. Even the above Trilokya prakasha statement is a neglected one and unsupported by other texts.//> Now, please give me your practical tips and share your experience on how to use the vakri+exaltated planet or vakri+debilitated planet or malefic+vakri planet, benefic+vakri planet while using them in predictions. // 1) Vakri+ exalted planet = Just spell out the results attributed to Vakri planet and Exalted planets. Both will come correct since there is no cancellation of yogas in astrology. The results are generally beneficial; but please note that some maleficial results are also told for malefics in retrograde; and also for malefics even in exaltation.

2) vakri+debilitated planet = Just spell out the results attributed to Vakri planet and Debilitated planets. Both will come correct since there is no cancellation of yogas in astrology. The results are a mix of some beneficial and mostly maleficial results in case of malefics, and some beneficial and some maleficial results in case of benefics. 3) malefic+vakri planet = Malefics in retrograde gives many bad results and make one suffer and wander a lot even though at the end gives good results. So in essence malefics in retrograde is beneficial but the results will not come so easily and for the native it won't be easy to agree that the period was benefical at all. Please check the results attributed to malefics in retrograde by Dasadhyayi and Saravali (you will find it in the archieves on the previous discussions on retrograde planets) 4) benefic+vakri planet = Benefics in retrograde gives many

good results even though those results come a bit late only. Benefics in retrograde is beneficial; but we need to add some (good or bad) results of the previous sign (i.e. as if the planet is placed in previous sign) also into the results to get the correct picture. Please check the results attributed to benefics in retrograde by Dasadhyayi and Saravali (you will find it in the archieves on the previous discussions on retrograde planets) Hope this clarifies.Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "Venkat" <v.sivagnanam@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Thanks for your comments.> Regarding the following statement:> > //Also, if a planet is exalted and vakri, some say, that it behaves as> if it is neecha .//> > Pointer 1:> > The following is an excerpt from a message that you have posted to

the groups in the past under the thread names as: Retrograde of planets.> > As per Phaladeepika â€"> > Vakram gate swacha phalam vidadyal> > Sapatna neecharksha gato(a)pi khetaH> > (Phaladeepika)> > [Even if in enemy sign or in debilitation, if the planet is retrograde, the result equivalent to exaltation should be predicted (since exaltation makes them stronger)]> > In this it is mentioned that a vakri planet in debilitation = result will be like exalted one.> > This is my question: So, now should we not take that the opposite is also true. That is vakri and exalted planet can loose its power to do good (though it can not turn out bad).> > > Pointer 2:> In another post under the same thread, Mr. Bhaskar ji, on Oct 20 2008 s, has written to the group the following statement:> > PLEASE READ THE FIRST LINE OF MY

MAIL AS -> > " Yes, Retrogression for EXALTED planets may not be good actually" > > I have no comments on actual retrogression, but only commenting on exalted retro, and debilitated retro.> > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 14967> > My question: Mr. Bhaskar ji could you please elaborate your statements with more examples and explanations - if possible with reference to any literature on this point. Thanks a lot.> > > Now, please give me your practical tips and share your experience on how to use the vakri+exaltated planet or vakri+debilitated planet or malefic+vakri planet, benefic+vakri planet while using them in predictions.> > I am asking this for learning purpose only. Any goodself can guide me.> > Thanks a lot for your time and consideration. Be blessed by the divine light!> > Kind

regards,> Venkat

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

Now many things are clear. Thanks for your kind explanation and time.

 

But still, i am not very clear with your last point. Based on the point 4 which

is below, i have few questions in my mind and please clarify those.

 

// 4) benefic+vakri planet = Benefics in retrograde gives many good results

even though those results come a bit late only. Benefics in retrograde is

beneficial; but we need to add some (good or bad) results of the previous sign

(i.e. as if the planet is placed in previous sign) also into the results to get

the correct picture. Please check the results attributed to benefics in

retrograde by Dasadhyayi and Saravali (you will find it in the archieves on the

previous discussions on retrograde planets)//

 

Questions:

 

1. Could you please say why the good results of the benefic+vakri planets come

late if the planet becomes strong being vakri (meaning its benefic nature also

becomes strong)? Should not be otherwise - i.e. they are very strong to give

good results quickly?

 

2. You mentioned//we need to add some (good or bad) results of the previous sign

(i.e. as if the planet is placed in previous sign) also into the results to get

the correct picture.//

 

Could you please explain how to apply or use the above sub-point with a simple

example: Lets take a rasi chart where, Makara lagna with venus exalted+vakri in

third house and second house has mars, sun and mercury. Saturn and moon are in

8th. Other planets are in lagna.

 

Thanks a lot and i am looking forward to your forthcoming explanation which will

clear all my doubts related to vakri!

 

Be blessed by the divine!

 

kind regards,

venkat

 

 

> Sreenadh <sreesog

> Re: Doubts on the effects of Vakri and

Vargotamma planets

>

> Saturday, 15 August, 2009, 8:04 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Venkat ji,

> //> In this it is mentioned that a vakri planet in debilitation = result will

be like exalted one.

> > This is my question: So, now should we not take that the opposite is also

true. That is vakri and exalted planet can loose its power to do good (though it

can not turn out bad).//

>   No, that is NOT current - it cannot be! As you have clearly understood, as

per phaladeepika, -

>  *  even a debilitated planet if in retrograde can be strong (similar to in

exaltation) and can give beneficial results;

>   * So if the planet is in exaltation and is in retrograde, it is evident

that that the planet become VERY STRONG and will give very beneficial results!

>   How come you assume it the other way round - I wonder! The same is the

concept appreciated by Saravali, as evident from the fact that Saravali quotes a

Rajayoga based on retrograde planet alone.  Thus it is evident that even as per

Saravali - " retrograde planets become strong and give beneficial results " .

>   But of course there is a lone reference in favor of your statement in a not

so well known book - i.e. Trailokya Prakasha.  The statement is as follows -

>   " Vakraga abala vakranmargaga subhadha " (Trilokya Prakasha)

>   [The planet is RETROGRADE motion is WEAK  (and maleficial) and the same

planet when turns DIRECT becomes beneficial (and STRONG)]

>   But even this statement (which is just the opposite of the popular opinion

- i.e. retro is strong and direct weak) only mean that -

>   * Debilitated planet in retrograde is very weak and maleficial (and not

strong and beneficial)

>   * Exalted planet in retrograde is also weak and maleficial to and extend

(and not very strong and very beneficial)

>    Even this quote does not mean that  - //retrograde and exalted planet

can loose its power to do good (though it can not turn out bad)/ - as you put

it.  That statement of yours is unsupported by any classics and the same CANNOT

be deduced from my or bhaskar ji's statements as well.  Even the above Trilokya

prakasha statement is a neglected one and unsupported by other texts.

> //> Now, please give me your practical tips and share your experience on how

to use the vakri+exaltated planet or vakri+debilitated planet or malefic+vakri

planet, benefic+vakri planet while using them in predictions. //

>   1) Vakri+ exalted planet = Just spell out the results attributed to Vakri

planet and Exalted planets. Both will come correct since there is no

cancellation of yogas in astrology. The results are generally beneficial; but

please note that some maleficial results are also told for malefics in

retrograde; and also for malefics even  in exaltation.

>   2)  vakri+debilitated planet = Just spell out the results attributed to

Vakri planet and Debilitated planets. Both will come correct since there is no

cancellation of yogas in astrology. The results are a mix of some beneficial and

mostly maleficial results in case of malefics, and some beneficial and some

maleficial results in case of benefics.

>   3)  malefic+vakri planet = Malefics in retrograde gives many bad results

and make one suffer and wander a lot even though at the end gives good results.

So in essence malefics in retrograde is beneficial but the results will not come

so easily and for the native it won't be easy to agree that the period was

benefical at all. Please check the results attributed to malefics in retrograde

by Dasadhyayi and Saravali (you will find it in the archieves on the previous

discussions on retrograde planets)

>    4) benefic+vakri planet = Benefics  in retrograde gives many good

results even though those results come a bit late only. Benefics  in retrograde

is beneficial; but we need to add some (good or bad) results of the previous

sign (i.e. as if the planet is placed in previous sign) also into the results to

get the correct picture. Please check the results attributed to benefics in

retrograde by Dasadhyayi and Saravali (you will find it in the archieves on the

previous discussions on retrograde planets)

>   Hope this clarifies.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Venkat " <v.sivagnanam@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > Thanks for your comments.

> > Regarding the following statement:

> >

> > //Also, if a planet is exalted and vakri, some say, that it behaves as

> > if it is neecha .//

> >

> > Pointer 1:

> >

> > The following is an excerpt from a message that you have posted to the

groups in the past under the thread names as: Retrograde of planets.

> >

> > As per Phaladeepika †"

> >

> > Vakram gate swacha phalam vidadyal

> >

> > Sapatna neecharksha gato(a)pi khetaH

> >

> > (Phaladeepika)

> >

> > [Even if in enemy sign or in debilitation, if the planet is retrograde, the

result equivalent to exaltation should be predicted (since exaltation makes them

stronger)]

> >

> > In this it is mentioned that a vakri planet in debilitation = result will be

like exalted one.

> >

> > This is my question: So, now should we not take that the opposite is also

true. That is vakri and exalted planet can loose its power to do good (though it

can not turn out bad).

> >

> >

> > Pointer 2:

> > In another post under the same thread, Mr. Bhaskar ji, on Oct 20 2008 s, has

written to the group the following statement:

> >

> > PLEASE READ THE FIRST LINE OF MY MAIL AS -

> >

> > " Yes, Retrogression for EXALTED planets may not be good actually "

> >

> > I have no comments on actual retrogression, but only commenting on exalted

retro, and debilitated retro.

> >

> > http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 14967

> >

> > My question: Mr. Bhaskar ji could you please elaborate your statements with

more examples and explanations - if possible with reference to any literature on

this point. Thanks a lot.

> >

> >

> > Now, please give me your practical tips and share your experience on how to

use the vakri+exaltated planet or vakri+debilitated planet or malefic+vakri

planet, benefic+vakri planet while using them in predictions.

> >

> > I am asking this for learning purpose only. Any goodself can guide me.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your time and consideration. Be blessed by the divine

light!

> >

> > Kind regards,

> > Venkat

>

>

>

>

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