Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Dear Ritu ji, Thanks for your feedback. You haven't talked on Quantum. Please talk on the Quantum of Height? I am quite sure you and so many others have Raj Yogs but not everyone becomes Dhirubhai Ambani if you know what I mean. So how is that angle studied. Can you please talk a bit on that. The reason i ask is that, if some chart comes blindly to you, then how or what approach can you take to identify that, the chart would be special. Also when you talk of " Raj Yog " what is the meaning of a " Raj yog " so that everyone is on the same page. How do you quantify the " status " of the raj yog? i.e. in some chart, someone else has a raj yog and he comes and retires as a manager in a small firm, someone might become a pundit in a temple (high authority) or someone might become the president of a country or a CEO of a very large company. How do you study that angle. Kindly share your thoughts and experiences please. Cheers !!! Ash , Ritu Malhotra <ritukm.2005 wrote: > > Hi, > > > > DhirubaiAmbani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > December 28, 1932 > > > > > > > > Time:6:37 AM > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > Place:Chorwad, 70 E 14' 00 " , 21 N 01' > 00 " > > > If the above data is correct, than kundli have such yogas. > > Dhanu lagna -> lord of 1st house is in 10th house +vely. > > Yogas in this kundli - > > > 1- sun + moon -> in lagna is itself a 1raj yoga. > 2- bhagesh ie the lord of 9th house make a relation with 1st house, ie lagna. > >   when 1st and 9h house make any +e combination -> raj yoga. > > > 3- rahu in 3rd house -> raj yoga and highly politcal person. > 4- guru in 10th house - dhan yoga > give vision to 2nd house dhanesh, vision to 4th house own sign, and vision to 9th house -> victory on enemies, and social circle. > > Dhanu lagna -> lord of 1st house is in 10th house +vely. > > > > 5- + ve dasa > > 29-4-41 to 47 surya dasa -> +ve dasa > 47 - 57 moon dasa -> more +dasa > 57 - 64 mars dasa -> weak dasa > 64 - 82 rahu dasa -> best +ve dasa > 82 -98 guru dasa -> best +dasa > 98 - 17 sahni dasa -> weak dasa -> health issues > > > dhan yoga - shani give exalted vision to 11th house -> the house of all profit and gains. >                - guru give falls vision to 2nd house >                - surya + chandara in lagana is it self a raj yoga -> +ve suraya alone in lagna destroy mostly the devil effect in life. where he stands, he commands. give name fame, wealth 2 native. > > 10th house karama house - > guru give good result to person. make person hard worker and provide sucess to person in his working area. > > > These above all the above factors to give him height. > > > Weak Points : > > mangal , budha ND SHUKRA. > > Dual effect - shani > > shani is his own sign, planet give gud result in his own sign. in his 2nd house, the dhanesh. > > give disturbance to 8th house. ie 4 his health issue. > > the dasa of 7h is markesh. he died in shani > budha dasa.  the lord of 7th budha is in 12th house. -ve yoga. and dasa. >  > >   > --- On Wed, 12/8/09, Ash's Corner <kas wrote: > > Ash's Corner <kas > RE: Re: When will 8th Lord or planet in 8th give Riches ? > > Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 9:18 PM  > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > >  > > Thanks for replying and justifying Death and Marriage. > >  > > Yes, I would be eager to understand on why based on this > chart, Dhirubhai Ambani ji reached such high pinnacle. > >  > > On one hand, his kids are fighting but at the same time they > have together increased the empire. > Children fight and then they make up, such is the game of politics. However, that is as far as children go, > but main focus is that Dhirubhai with this chart, > started from nothing and he build such a large empire. This is a special chart. > >  > > He also had children, wife and a marital life, no divorce > which indicates he had a home. > >  > > Those who quote / study Ashtakavarga from standard texts, I would > like to hear their opinion as well on how such a wealthy man with such a > personality has only 20 points in lagna and 26 in 2nd house and less > than 28 points in 9th house as well which is of luck and sanchit karm. > >  > > Also I am curious to understand how as per standard dictum > i..e. based on unccha, neecha, mt > based judging of strength of a planet, here no planet is in unccha > sign or MT. Also 2 planets are in > 12th house. 8th > lord is in 1st house etc etc. Then I am very interested to hear the > opinion of the learned on the judging of strength on how that is approached. > >  > > How the quantum is studied or approached? > >  > > If this chart came to us blindly, without knowing who’s > chart this is, how would one approach it and identify the quantum or rise in > life from nothing? > >  > > Are there any quotes for those who have studied ancient books > like Sreenadh ji and I am > sure there might be so many on this esteemed list who can give some insight > based on their studies with their Guru ji’s or > based on their own research and findings ? > >  > > Ancient Astrology from Rishi Horas (as per definition of this group), Jaimini, KP, Tropical, SA etc etc > there are so many techniques or paths. > >  > > Anyone who has got some insights from their esteemed Guru ji’s and gyan should also > give their opinions and that will help everyone learn. > >  > >  > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > >  > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of sunil nair > > Wednesday August 12, 2009 > 11:52 PM > > To: > ancient_indian_ astrology > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] > Re: When will 8th Lord or planet in 8th give Riches ? > > > > > >  > >  > > > Dear Ash ji > > > > > >  Thanks for taking this chart. > > > > If we hav more events we cud hav discuss furhter more better and effectiv > to eastblish each systems ,all Lagna/sun/moon in one sign ,so even > with events it will make every one a difficult chart to test the birth time > givn is correct or not ,thinking birth date s may b correct . > > > > I also seen sani in neechamsa in 5th House aries and his kids rivalry > each other is well known now in all over world > > > > Death dasa is tallying since it is also marak frm moon also ( both sat > and merc ) > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > > > >  Sat MD: 1998-04-26 (17:01:08) - 2017-04-26 (7:35:56) > >  Merc AD: 2001-04-29 (11:31:38) - 2004-01-07 (14:11:34) > >   Moon PD: 2002-06-13 (2:38:17) - 2002-09-03 (0:51:36) > > > >    Sookshma-antardasas in this PD: > > > > & nbs p;  Moon: 2002-06-13 (2:38:17) - 2002-06-19 (22:29:23) > >    Mars: 2002-06-19 (22:29:23) - 2002-06-24 (17:11:10) > > > > > > Marriage in 1954 too we can see some way tallies as merc is 7th L and moon dasa > at times qualifies it and also aspecting 7th House planet too . > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > > > >  Moon MD: 1947-04-27 (8:11:56) - 1957-04-26 (18:23:56) > >  Merc AD: 1953-02-24 (22:08:56) - 1954-07-27 (8:23:38) > > > >   Pratyantardasas in this AD: > > > >   Merc: 1953-02-24 (22:08:56) - 1953-05-09 (5:24:01) > >   Ket: 1953-05-09 (5:24:01) - 1953-06-08 (9:47:52) > >   Ven: 1953-06-08 (9:47:52) - 1953-09-02 (15:30:19) > >   Sun: 1953-09-02 (15:30:19) - 1953-09-28 (12:25:03) > >   Moon: 1953-09-28 (12:25:03) - 1953-11-10 (15:16:17) > >   Mars: 1953-11-10 (15:16:17) - 1953-12-10 (19:40:08) > >   Rah: 1953-12-10 (19:40:08) - 1954-02-26 (10:24:20) > >   Jup: 1954-02-26 (10:24:20) - 1954-05-06 (10:10:18) > >   Sat: 1954-05-06 (10:10:18) - 1954-07-27 (8:23:38) > > > > > > My question was simple ,assuming chart is correct how we can see this is one of > the best chart for showing the quality and magnitude of success which every one > Knows it is as good as one of the rags to riches story > > > > i think More events ,date of birth of kids etc will b of help ful > > > > I am here inviting all to discuss with their favrite sampradaya s > > > > even if we see jaimini aruda (AL ) in meena rasi and sani and venus and merc is > inflencing his 11house ,but his success strted in rahu dasa with a planet in > 12th frm AL ( and i blv he was working in Yemen ( a muslim country represented > By rahu also ) in begining of rahu dasa > > > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > > > >  Rah MD: 1964-04-26 (11:08:20) - 1982-04-26 (19:53:56) > > > > i think shri shanmukha can giv more illumination on it -even i dont > see much jaimini raja yogas too other than this in his chart .( but jaimini > scholars of 7 and 8 karaka paksha can illuminate us ) > thanks and rgrds sunil nair > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " ashsam73 " <kas@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji, > > > > > > Just check his death as per KAS. It is in the highest powrer planet. > > > > > > Guru ji had asked the same question to the KAS list members some years > back about similar thing that you have raised :-). > > > > > > Some of the answers will rattle the very basics that many follow. > > > > > > Only Shani is in own house but its in neecha navamsa. > > > > > > Most people think that planest in unccha sthan, mool trikon sthan, friends > sign are very good and powerful, then how come a chart as powerful as that of > Dhirubhai Ambani ji's does not have such combinations? > > > > > > This is a fantastic chart for all to discuss. > > > > > > This chart is a very special chart and I am curious to understand how one > studies such charts w.r.t quality and quantum of success, how this chart is > different from another chart which might have more planets in unccha sthan or > mt or own sign and what are the rules along with the exceptions that makes one > rise to such high levels and in other cases the rise is not such high. > > > > > > If Sreenadh ji in the end can dig up some excellent verses from his > ancient books it will help all. > > > > > > In many posts when quoting, texts are giving sign placement to judge the > power of a planet. In this chart, not a single planet is in unccha or mool > trikon sign. > > > > > > Even SAV points in 1st house are only 20 and 2nd house has only 26 bindus > in SAV as well and from lagna sun and moon at that !!! > > > > > > Those following ashtakavarg, is that indicative of the wealth ammased by > this native with a hous e that has less than 28 bindus i.e. not powerful at the > surface? > > > > > > 2 planets are in 12th house (as per what I have experiened that many > consider 8th and 12th house to be bad), then 2 planet are in 12th house. > > > > > > some schools consider MT sign to be more powerful than the other sign so > in this case, 11th is Mool trikon on Venus as compared to 6th house so one > cannot even say that there is VRY as if one considers 11th lord in 12th as > compared to 6th lord in 12th. > > > > > > 8th house is considered bad then 8th lord is in 1st house in house of > self, shouldnt that be terrible, if u go verbatim that a bad lord in good > house? > > > > > > Please take this email and argue each point and please do not get > antagonized by it. Take it as an opportunity to dig up verses if that is what > one beleives and principles of jyotish with which one can prove beyond any > reasonable doubt that this chart is that of a person who came up from Rag's to > riches. > > > > > > Sunil ji, some events > > > > > > 1) Death 6th july 2002 > > > 2) Marriage in 1954 is what I could find. > > > > > > Event justification for death using the same technique used in the > previous death example. > > > > > > Death in Sa/Me. Sa is 3rd lord and antra of is Me who is deputed by Mars. > Mars has highest power for 8th house and Me has 2nd highest they are in 4:10 so > Me is deputed by Ma as antra of mercury comes first in Shani MD and Mars > aspects 3rd house so itself or its Samdharmi can give the result. Standard > laws. > > > > > > Sun transits sign of Ju and nak of Mercury. Ju is LoE (1st lord) and Me is > 2nd highest power. > > > > > > Daily points are in rising trend. > > > > > > 5th July 2002 -> 196 > > > 6th july 2002 -> 197 > > > > > > > > > Rest of the details one can get from wikipedia as well. > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ y ahoogroups.com, " sunil nair " > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji ,chandu ji and Bhaskar ji > > > > > > > > Thanks for this chart of dhirubhai ambani > > > > > > > > It was one of the intriguing chart for me > > > > > > > > at one Look there is Not any big raja Yoga s except swagrhi sani in > 2nd > > > > House ( let us forget abt suryadi yogas and chandra di yogas and > other > > > > yoga s ) and sun ,moon and lagna ( means all the three lagna s > repeats > > > > in one sign ) in one sign ,born in sukla prathama .He strted rising > > > > possiblity in the period of rahu in 3rd House ,aspected By 5th L and > > > > 12th L ,upto here i can understand ,but his popularity and promince > > > > happened in jup dasa ,but if u see Jup is in santhi ,mritha avasta > and > > > > debilated in amsa ,can many astrologers has the courage to declare > this > > > > dasa is goi ng to b one of the best tho it is lagna L and 4th L of > chart > > > > assuming the chart is correct and Birth time givn is correct to dot > ,b4 > > > > hand > > > > > > > > I invite every one 's opinions and suggestions here ( also request every > > > > one to post some Known events abt him so as to check the data ) > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Chandu2chill " > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji, > > > > > > > > > > No problems at all!!! i just wanted to know more about the Birth > Data > > > > that i have of Dhirubhai is relaible/same of correct since you and > > > > Bhaskar ji clarified, now i can consider it (B'data) to be the right > > > > one!! > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > & gt; > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, Chandu2chill ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have the same data from CHORWAD! Any problem with that? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/8/11 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandu 2 Chill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this coming from you. I have been watching you > for some > > > > time. You > > > > > > > have been able to pick up the strings of astrology > very fast in a > > > > small > > > > > > > time frame of 1-2 yea rs, and a very attentive student > . Very Good. > > > > > > > Really appreciable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I too have the same data of Dhirubhai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards./Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40yaho\ > > > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > > > " Chandu2chill " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Strong 8L in lagna with dhan yogas in the chart > give wealth as > > > > in > > > > > > > the case of Dhirubhai Ambani,// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just as an academic interest could you please > share the Birth > > > > Data of > > > > > > > Shri Dhirubhai Ambani? that you have? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have a data of him as below > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DhirubaiAmbani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > December 28, 1932 > > > > > > > > Time:6:37 AM > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > Place:Chorwad, 70 E 14' 00 " , 21 N 01' > 00 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chand2Chill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P S: Humor:- Name of the birth place (Chorwad)is > very > > > > funny!!!:-): -) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40yaho\ > > > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > > > neelam gupta > > > > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think riches would mean more than normal > financial gains or > > > > > > > wealth. As > > > > > > > > > wealth does not come by hard work alone, it > is often 8H which > > > > gives > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > unearned wealth and makes one rich. But more > often than not, > > > > 8H > > > > > > > wealth is > > > > > > > > > tainted. Anyhow, *to get any DHAN/riches, > the primary > > > > requirement is > > > > > > > to have > > > > > > > > > good Dhanyogas.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from those working in normal 8H > professions (excluding > > > > > > > underworld > > > > > > > > > types, etc), sudden gains can come from 8H. > Whenever native > > > > has > > > > > > > strong dhan > > > > > > > > > yogas and 8H/L or planets in 8H participate > in the yogas, and > > > > chart > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > otherwise strong getting navamsha support, > native will get > > > > unearned > > > > > > > wealth > > > > > > > > > through inheritance, bribes, investments, > underhand dealings, > > > > tax > > > > > > > evasions, > > > > > > > > > etc. Even the politicians, actors, and > spiritual gurus > > > > amassing > > > > > > > great wealth > > > > > > > > > in Swiss Accounts will go through their 8H. > We can see the > > > > charts of > > > > > > > Amitabh > > > > > > > > > Bachchan, OSHO, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Strong 8L in lagna with dhan yogas in the > chart give wealth as > > > > in > > > > > > > the case > > > > > > > > > of Dhirubhai Ambani, Strong 8L with 11L in > Kendra in 4H gave > > > > > > > Dheerendra > > > > > > > > > Brahmchari huge assets and wealth in the > relevant dashas.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8H is 12H of father, one gets money when > father dies if 8H is > > > > > > > fortified. 8H > > > > > > > > > is 2H from 7H, wife brings money through > marriage and her job > > > > when > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > and benefic 7L is in 8H. Strong 8 L in 5H > can give gains > > > > through > > > > > > > speculation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These are just a few examples with basic > concepts. Charts of > > > > most of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > politicians, IAS Officers, Spiritual Gurus > can be seen how > > > > money is > > > > > > > dug from > > > > > > > > > 8H, and who helps! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Dear Ritu ji, Thanks for your feedback and replying to my queries and for being honest about the fact that the quantum portion being difficult, its much appreciated. One thing that has confused me is that u are using the house and karak to be same? Can you please confirm that so that I can understand that. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Ritu Malhotra Friday August 14, 2009 2:02 AM Re: Re: 8HL_8H_Riches_Ambani Ash ji, As an astrologer, 1st I check the birth details of kundli. As I have heared by many, Mr ambani was very poor in beginning of his life. His Father was not rich. Not got a good qualification. so he had a 2nd half dasa of shukra, placed in 12th house. so dasa tells us a weak financial position of Mr. Ambani in his begning of life. 2nd check - the lord of 5th house is effected with rahu in 9th house, rahu + mangal is not a good combination. 3rd check : dispute in his son - the 5th house is effected with mars. manga + rahu worst combination. All this shows that above data is some relavent to Mr. Ambani life. ---------------------- It is right, that I can't say this is the world richest man kundli. If I get it without this information that this is a kundli of world richest person. but I predict and say, this man is a who is one in billions. I can predict, this is dhan kuber, but can't say he is the world richest personality. I can say he will get a name fame, a solid leader, a hard worker, a gr8 politician. There are set rules, I told in my orevious email - 1st house, 10th house should be soild. 1st house has a combination with 9th house.. On can get name fame from a strong sun in the kundli. next are dasa system, +ve dasa of all - sun - good dasa , moon - average dasa , mars - struggling and rising dasa, rahu - powerful dasa, guru - most powerful dasa. And he gets mostly name fame in guru dasa. the karka dasa. weaker dasa - shani : the dasa of 2nd and 3rd house, but give effect to ashtam. All set in a hirarchy - no question to stop him for progress. Now aspects - shani is karak in 2nd house, he has in own sign makr, 1st aspect to 4th house, where he has a guru aspect there, guru has a aspect on shani and 2nd house. 2nd aspect of shani is on 8th house, health issues are there. - lagna is good, sun in lagna protect it in gr8 accssence. 3rd aspect : 11th house, the house of all profits and gains, gives his exalted vision to his profit house. All these factors make this kundli some thing different, u can say one in billions. --- On Thu, 13/8/09, ashsam73 <kas wrote: ashsam73 <kas Re: 8HL_8H_Riches_Ambani Thursday, 13 August, 2009, 7:37 AM Dear Ritu ji, Thanks for your feedback. You haven't talked on Quantum. Please talk on the Quantum of Height? I am quite sure you and so many others have Raj Yogs but not everyone becomes Dhirubhai Ambani if you know what I mean. So how is that angle studied. Can you please talk a bit on that. The reason i ask is that, if some chart comes blindly to you, then how or what approach can you take to identify that, the chart would be special. Also when you talk of " Raj Yog " what is the meaning of a " Raj yog " so that everyone is on the same page. How do you quantify the " status " of the raj yog? i.e. in some chart, someone else has a raj yog and he comes and retires as a manager in a small firm, someone might become a pundit in a temple (high authority) or someone might become the president of a country or a CEO of a very large company. How do you study that angle. Kindly share your thoughts and experiences please. Cheers !!! Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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