Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Dear Sunil ji, //sri Budha asked him to b with him for 2 yrs and> b silent and he will not b allowed to ask any question till the period> is over .The person accepted it and on appointed day the person dont> seems to b come forward to ask any question ,so bhagavan himself asked> him ,did u find answer to ur questions so that man said in humble voice ,sure all my questions are answered// When I read the above story - It reminds me the lines from Dakshnamoorti stotra, which reads -===>Chitram Vata tharor mole vruddha,Sishya, Guror Yuva,Gurostu mounam vykhyanam,Sishyasthu china samsaya It is strange to see, The very old disciples, And the very young teacher, Who sit under a banyan tree, With the teacher always observing silence, And the students getting all the doubts cleared.<=== Dakshana moorti (The guru form of Siva with face towards the South) stotra beautiful and a good translation is available at: http://www.hindupedia.com/en/Sri_Dakshinamurthy_Stotram Love and regards,Sreenadh , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> Dear Mohit Ji> > Thanks for ur mail> > There is a story in budha charitha> > One famous scholar who argues and defeats every one and he is very much> proud of his Knowldge approached Bhagavan sri Budha and asked various> questions and his aim was to show Bhagavan Budha as some one silly in> frnt of his own sisya s .sri Budha asked him to b with him for 2 yrs and> b silent and he will not b allowed to ask any question till the period> is over .The person accepted it and on appointed day the person dont> seems to b come forward to ask any question ,so bhagavan himself asked> him ,did u find answer to ur questions> > so that man said in humble voice ,sure all my questions are answered> > ( i hope all budhists and followers of budha will excuse me , this> story, as i am quoting frm memory and any mistakes u all can point out )> > same way some theories and dictums needs some time to go tru our mind> and percolate to every cell in our body and then u will b enlightened of> it ,our rishies blessings also will b with such a person who is> continusously searching and meditating for it .> Old Astrologers in india were called as daivanjna ,it is not an easy> status ( they not fortune tellers but considered as acharya s and guru> s ,even kings were respecting him and asking questions also with due> respect )> > For ur information only --i stopped any kind of astrological> consultancy and i refer money to u only to show that how important is> time for every body and we shud respect other s time and what ever> service as they also has a family and life to take care of> > thanks and rgrds sunil nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Dear sreenadh ji Thanks thanks for relevent quote too rgrds sunil nair , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> //sri Budha asked him to b with him for 2 yrs and> > b silent and he will not b allowed to ask any question till the period> > is over .The person accepted it and on appointed day the person dont> > seems to b come forward to ask any question ,so bhagavan himself asked> > him ,did u find answer to ur questions so that man said in humble> voice ,sure all my questions are answered//> When I read the above story - It reminds me the lines from> Dakshnamoorti stotra, which reads -> ===>> Chitram Vata tharor mole vruddha,> Sishya, Guror Yuva,> Gurostu mounam vykhyanam,> Sishyasthu china samsaya> It is strange to see,> The very old disciples,> And the very young teacher,> Who sit under a banyan tree,> With the teacher always observing silence,> And the students getting all the doubts cleared.> <===> Dakshana moorti (The guru form of Siva with face towards the South)> stotra beautiful and a good translation is available at:> http://www.hindupedia.com/en/Sri_Dakshinamurthy_Stotram> <http://www.hindupedia.com/en/Sri_Dakshinamurthy_Stotram>> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > Dear Mohit Ji> >> > Thanks for ur mail> >> > There is a story in budha charitha> >> > One famous scholar who argues and defeats every one and he is very> much> > proud of his Knowldge approached Bhagavan sri Budha and asked various> > questions and his aim was to show Bhagavan Budha as some one silly in> > frnt of his own sisya s .sri Budha asked him to b with him for 2 yrs> and> > b silent and he will not b allowed to ask any question till the period> > is over .The person accepted it and on appointed day the person dont> > seems to b come forward to ask any question ,so bhagavan himself asked> > him ,did u find answer to ur questions> >> > so that man said in humble voice ,sure all my questions are answered> >> > ( i hope all budhists and followers of budha will excuse me , this> > story, as i am quoting frm memory and any mistakes u all can point out> )> >> > same way some theories and dictums needs some time to go tru our mind> > and percolate to every cell in our body and then u will b enlightened> of> > it ,our rishies blessings also will b with such a person who is> > continusously searching and meditating for it .> > Old Astrologers in india were called as daivanjna ,it is not an easy> > status ( they not fortune tellers but considered as acharya s and> guru> > s ,even kings were respecting him and asking questions also with due> > respect )> >> > For ur information only --i stopped any kind of astrological> > consultancy and i refer money to u only to show that how important is> > time for every body and we shud respect other s time and what ever> > service as they also has a family and life to take care of> >> > thanks and rgrds sunil nair> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Dear Sirs, It is my understanding that Actual Thread to which this thread relates has run long.Quote and story here is superb but contexts does not fit and match.I heard in my younger days this episode from OSHO. Story relates to realization of self as super self through silent mind so is the case of transmission of knowledge by young Guru dakshinmurti to elder rsi through silence . No sirs ! Here issue was simple technical. I could not see any transmission of basic truth of astrology in spite of scores of mail:after all it was Rahu ,It was VIII house.And time is When Jup is debilitated Rahu too in same sign. It reminds me a old teaching. Astrology has two streams.One governed by Jupiter and other governed by Rahu. Jupiter stands for knowledge imparted by Rsi and whereas from power of Rahu is all astrology born out of research by those who have learn the basics and applied in selective way through their intelligence. Human mind is influenced by planets , irrespective we analyze chart position by the system of Rahu or Jupiter. But our depth of knowledge is reflected by our hold on principles. Hope there is nothing to rejoice if we are able to silence our critics but our quest should continue to search the truth. Is ignorance a real bliss ? I am sure No one should agree with me. Therefore Hope this mail is not taken offensive but thought provoking. with regards. RCS , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Dear sreenadh ji > > Thanks > > thanks for relevent quote too > > rgrds sunil nair > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > //sri Budha asked him to b with him for 2 yrs and > > > b silent and he will not b allowed to ask any question till the > period > > > is over .The person accepted it and on appointed day the person dont > > > seems to b come forward to ask any question ,so bhagavan himself > asked > > > him ,did u find answer to ur questions so that man said in humble > > voice ,sure all my questions are answered// > > When I read the above story - It reminds me the lines from > > Dakshnamoorti stotra, which reads - > > ===> > > Chitram Vata tharor mole vruddha, > > Sishya, Guror Yuva, > > Gurostu mounam vykhyanam, > > Sishyasthu china samsaya > > It is strange to see, > > The very old disciples, > > And the very young teacher, > > Who sit under a banyan tree, > > With the teacher always observing silence, > > And the students getting all the doubts cleared. > > <=== > > Dakshana moorti (The guru form of Siva with face towards the > South) > > stotra beautiful and a good translation is available at: > > http://www.hindupedia.com/en/Sri_Dakshinamurthy_Stotram > > <http://www.hindupedia.com/en/Sri_Dakshinamurthy_Stotram> > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mohit Ji > > > > > > Thanks for ur mail > > > > > > There is a story in budha charitha > > > > > > One famous scholar who argues and defeats every one and he is very > > much > > > proud of his Knowldge approached Bhagavan sri Budha and asked > various > > > questions and his aim was to show Bhagavan Budha as some one silly > in > > > frnt of his own sisya s .sri Budha asked him to b with him for 2 yrs > > and > > > b silent and he will not b allowed to ask any question till the > period > > > is over .The person accepted it and on appointed day the person dont > > > seems to b come forward to ask any question ,so bhagavan himself > asked > > > him ,did u find answer to ur questions > > > > > > so that man said in humble voice ,sure all my questions are answered > > > > > > ( i hope all budhists and followers of budha will excuse me , this > > > story, as i am quoting frm memory and any mistakes u all can point > out > > ) > > > > > > same way some theories and dictums needs some time to go tru our > mind > > > and percolate to every cell in our body and then u will b > enlightened > > of > > > it ,our rishies blessings also will b with such a person who is > > > continusously searching and meditating for it . > > > Old Astrologers in india were called as daivanjna ,it is not an easy > > > status ( they not fortune tellers but considered as acharya s and > > guru > > > s ,even kings were respecting him and asking questions also with due > > > respect ) > > > > > > For ur information only --i stopped any kind of astrological > > > consultancy and i refer money to u only to show that how important > is > > > time for every body and we shud respect other s time and what ever > > > service as they also has a family and life to take care of > > > > > > thanks and rgrds sunil nair > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Dear Srivastava ji, A dark mind sees darkness everywhere and bright might sees light and hope even in darkness. Yes, a positive mindset is difficult to achieve even for so called swamis. Please note that whether it is Rahu, Saturn or Jupiter or Venus it does not make any difference for the sincere practical astrologer - since he is more interested in derived results and the planets and horoscope is just a tool at his hands; for him a Jupiter does not have any special relevance or importance than Rahu; both are just tools for him that help him to derive results; whether the results be positive or negative for the native - astrologers happiness and confidence lies in correctly identifying the results irrespective of whether they are positive or negative or whether they are derived utilizing Jupiter or Rahu. Hope you will learn to look at astrology from an astrologer's perspective (whether as a teacher or student of astrology). Hope this helps.//> Therefore Hope this mail is not taken offensive but thought provoking.// Yes, your mail was though provoking -but more about your mindset than about astrology. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "R.C.Srivastava" <swami.rcs wrote:>> Dear Sirs,> > It is my understanding that Actual Thread to which this thread relates has run long.Quote and story here is superb but contexts does not fit and match.I heard in my younger days this episode from OSHO.> > Story relates to realization of self as super self through silent mind so is the case of transmission of knowledge by young Guru dakshinmurti to elder rsi through silence .> No sirs ! Here issue was simple technical.> I could not see any transmission of basic truth of astrology in spite of scores of mail:after all it was Rahu ,It was VIII house.And time is When Jup is debilitated Rahu too in same sign.> > It reminds me a old teaching.> Astrology has two streams.One governed by Jupiter and other governed by Rahu.> Jupiter stands for knowledge imparted by Rsi and whereas from power of Rahu is all astrology born out of research by those who have learn the basics and applied in selective way through their intelligence.> > Human mind is influenced by planets , irrespective we analyze chart position by the system of Rahu or Jupiter.> > But our depth of knowledge is reflected by our hold on principles.> > Hope there is nothing to rejoice if we are able to silence our critics but our quest should continue to search the truth.> > > > Is ignorance a real bliss ?> > I am sure No one should agree with me.> > Therefore Hope this mail is not taken offensive but thought provoking.> with regards.> > RCS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 This one of the most positive mails written by our Dear Sreenadhji. I like this. regards/Bhaskar. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Srivastava ji, > A dark mind sees darkness everywhere and bright might sees light and > hope even in darkness. [] Yes, a positive mindset is difficult to > achieve even for so called swamis. [] > Please note that whether it is Rahu, Saturn or Jupiter or Venus it > does not make any difference for the sincere practical astrologer - > since he is more interested in derived results and the planets and > horoscope is just a tool at his hands; for him a Jupiter does not have > any special relevance or importance than Rahu; both are just tools for > him that help him to derive results; whether the results be positive or > negative for the native - astrologers happiness and confidence lies in > correctly identifying the results irrespective of whether they are > positive or negative or whether they are derived utilizing Jupiter or > Rahu. Hope you will learn to look at astrology from an astrologer's > perspective (whether as a teacher or student of astrology). Hope this > helps. > //> Therefore Hope this mail is not taken offensive but thought > provoking.// > Yes, your mail was though provoking -but more about your mindset than > about astrology. [] > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " R.C.Srivastava " > swami.rcs@ wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > It is my understanding that Actual Thread to which this thread > relates has run long.Quote and story here is superb but contexts does > not fit and match.I heard in my younger days this episode from OSHO. > > > > Story relates to realization of self as super self through silent mind > so is the case of transmission of knowledge by young Guru dakshinmurti > to elder rsi through silence . > > No sirs ! Here issue was simple technical. > > I could not see any transmission of basic truth of astrology in spite > of scores of mail:after all it was Rahu ,It was VIII house.And time is > When Jup is debilitated Rahu too in same sign. > > > > It reminds me a old teaching. > > Astrology has two streams.One governed by Jupiter and other governed > by Rahu. > > Jupiter stands for knowledge imparted by Rsi and whereas from power > of Rahu is all astrology born out of research by those who have learn > the basics and applied in selective way through their intelligence. > > > > Human mind is influenced by planets , irrespective we analyze chart > position by the system of Rahu or Jupiter. > > > > But our depth of knowledge is reflected by our hold on principles. > > > > Hope there is nothing to rejoice if we are able to silence our critics > but our quest should continue to search the truth. > > > > > > > > Is ignorance a real bliss ? > > > > I am sure No one should agree with me. > > > > Therefore Hope this mail is not taken offensive but thought provoking. > > with regards. > > > > RCS > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Dear Sirs, usually your mails are full of wisdom thats why I joined this forum. I liked,in your mail //Hope you will learn to look at astrology from an astrologer's perspective // Yes that is sincere & valuable viewpoint. And it was what exactly I pointed out bringing out difference in story and astrological truths. BTW astrologer should be beyond a mindset to do justice with a chart. Thanks for response. regards RCS. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Srivastava ji, > A dark mind sees darkness everywhere and bright might sees light and > hope even in darkness. [] Yes, a positive mindset is difficult to > achieve even for so called swamis. [] > Please note that whether it is Rahu, Saturn or Jupiter or Venus it > does not make any difference for the sincere practical astrologer - > since he is more interested in derived results and the planets and > horoscope is just a tool at his hands; for him a Jupiter does not have > any special relevance or importance than Rahu; both are just tools for > him that help him to derive results; whether the results be positive or > negative for the native - astrologers happiness and confidence lies in > correctly identifying the results irrespective of whether they are > positive or negative or whether they are derived utilizing Jupiter or > Rahu. Hope you will learn to look at astrology from an astrologer's > perspective (whether as a teacher or student of astrology). Hope this > helps. > //> Therefore Hope this mail is not taken offensive but thought > provoking.// > Yes, your mail was though provoking -but more about your mindset than > about astrology. [] > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " R.C.Srivastava " > <swami.rcs@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > It is my understanding that Actual Thread to which this thread > relates has run long.Quote and story here is superb but contexts does > not fit and match.I heard in my younger days this episode from OSHO. > > > > Story relates to realization of self as super self through silent mind > so is the case of transmission of knowledge by young Guru dakshinmurti > to elder rsi through silence . > > No sirs ! Here issue was simple technical. > > I could not see any transmission of basic truth of astrology in spite > of scores of mail:after all it was Rahu ,It was VIII house.And time is > When Jup is debilitated Rahu too in same sign. > > > > It reminds me a old teaching. > > Astrology has two streams.One governed by Jupiter and other governed > by Rahu. > > Jupiter stands for knowledge imparted by Rsi and whereas from power > of Rahu is all astrology born out of research by those who have learn > the basics and applied in selective way through their intelligence. > > > > Human mind is influenced by planets , irrespective we analyze chart > position by the system of Rahu or Jupiter. > > > > But our depth of knowledge is reflected by our hold on principles. > > > > Hope there is nothing to rejoice if we are able to silence our critics > but our quest should continue to search the truth. > > > > > > > > Is ignorance a real bliss ? > > > > I am sure No one should agree with me. > > > > Therefore Hope this mail is not taken offensive but thought provoking. > > with regards. > > > > RCS > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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