Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Dear All, I have seen some controversial statements about "Saturn in 4th house" in this group. When not discuss the same in detail quoting the ancient astro classics and by verifying the same based on life example charts and experience? * Saturn in 4th house generally give bad results - what results? * Saturn in 4th is good for mother's longevity and happiness from mother for some signs - which signs and why Saturn should provide happiness from mother? * Saturn in 4th house can be much beneficial providing Sasa Yoga for many houses - Which houses, and what are the results to be predicted? * Saturn in 4th house can provide luxury vehicles to the native in some houses - Which houses and why? * Saturn in 4th can indicate both the gain of traditional lineage and hereditary property and also the loss of the same - For which houses and what conditions need to be satisfied? * Saturn in 4th can indicate untimely death of mother - what conditions need to be fulfilled for this to become true? * Does Saturn in 4th make a native interested in politics? - if so why? * Is it that Saturn in 4th will give bad results only, or will it give good results as well? If so what good results and why? Thus, I invite you all to discuss this subject of Saturn in 4th house in detail? Love and regards,Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Sreenadhji,This is an excellent question...i have this exact same question - as a novice in this field i definitely want to understand topics like this - although I do not hope to ever reach the level of a professional astrologer, I am interested in understanding basics and some nuances of this. Also, Saturn in 4th house in an enemy house, such as simha would definitely act different than Saturn 4th in exalt house (tula) right... it is these kinds of details that I am curious to learn. If this is a silly question, and if this is not the right level for me to ask, then I apologise. God bless us all.Hari SmaraNs,Pranadasa On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear All, I have seen some controversial statements about " Saturn in 4th house " in this group. When not discuss the same in detail quoting the ancient astro classics and by verifying the same based on life example charts and experience? * Saturn in 4th house generally give bad results - what results? * Saturn in 4th is good for mother's longevity and happiness from mother for some signs - which signs and why Saturn should provide happiness from mother? * Saturn in 4th house can be much beneficial providing Sasa Yoga for many houses - Which houses, and what are the results to be predicted? * Saturn in 4th house can provide luxury vehicles to the native in some houses - Which houses and why? * Saturn in 4th can indicate both the gain of traditional lineage and hereditary property and also the loss of the same - For which houses and what conditions need to be satisfied? * Saturn in 4th can indicate untimely death of mother - what conditions need to be fulfilled for this to become true? * Does Saturn in 4th make a native interested in politics? - if so why? * Is it that Saturn in 4th will give bad results only, or will it give good results as well? If so what good results and why? Thus, I invite you all to discuss this subject of Saturn in 4th house in detail? Love and regards,Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Dear Sreenadh ji, A small input - Saturn in 4th house, and 12th lord aspecting this Saturn/placed in the 4th, or aspecting the 4th house, and/if The Moon also linked to this combination in any way, will produce detachment in the native. Bad for material, domestic bliss and comforts or happiness from Home Life, but very good for the latter part of Life, when one wishes to enter the Sanyas ashram. Love and regards, Bhaskar. , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear All,> I have seen some controversial statements about "Saturn in 4th house"> in this group. When not discuss the same in detail quoting the ancient> astro classics and by verifying the same based on life example charts > and experience?> * Saturn in 4th house generally give bad results - what results?> * Saturn in 4th is good for mother's longevity and happiness from> mother for some signs - which signs and why Saturn should provide> happiness from mother?> * Saturn in 4th house can be much beneficial providing Sasa Yoga for> many houses - Which houses, and what are the results to be predicted?> * Saturn in 4th house can provide luxury vehicles to the native in> some houses - Which houses and why?> * Saturn in 4th can indicate both the gain of traditional lineage and> hereditary property and also the loss of the same - For which houses and> what conditions need to be satisfied?> * Saturn in 4th can indicate untimely death of mother - what> conditions need to be fulfilled for this to become true?> * Does Saturn in 4th make a native interested in politics? - if so> why?> * Is it that Saturn in 4th will give bad results only, or will it give> good results as well? If so what good results and why?> Thus, I invite you all to discuss this subject of Saturn in 4th house > in detail?> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Dear Members and Esteemed Astrologers, I recollect that Saturn in 4th in Simha had giev a fatal heart attack at the age of 45. I shall if possible give the details of the native the moment I lay hands on the horoscope. D. D. Trivedi --- On Fri, 14/8/09, s s <freemorons wrote: s s <freemorons Re: Saturn in 4th House Friday, 14 August, 2009, 10:46 PM Sreenadhji, This is an excellent question...i have this exact same question - as a novice in this field i definitely want to understand topics like this - although I do not hope to ever reach the level of a professional astrologer, I am interested in understanding basics and some nuances of this. Also, Saturn in 4th house in an enemy house, such as simha would definitely act different than Saturn 4th in exalt house (tula) right... it is these kinds of details that I am curious to learn. If this is a silly question, and if this is not the right level for me to ask, then I apologise. God bless us all. Hari SmaraNs, Pranadasa On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Respected D.D. Trivedi, Thanks for sharing you view, but factors cannot be ignored. It will be better to give full details. Regards --- On Sat, 8/15/09, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote: > dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 > Re: Saturn in 4th House > > Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:16 AM > Dear Members and Esteemed > Astrologers, > > I recollect that Saturn in 4th in Simha had giev a fatal > heart attack at the age of 45. I shall if possible give the > details of the native the moment I lay hands on the > horoscope. > > D. D. Trivedi > > --- On Fri, 14/8/09, s s <freemorons > wrote: > > > s s <freemorons > Re: Saturn in 4th > House > > Friday, 14 August, 2009, 10:46 PM > > > > > > > Sreenadhji, > > > This is an excellent question...i have this exact same > question - as a novice in this field i definitely want to > understand topics like this - although I do not hope to ever > reach the level of a professional astrologer, I am > interested in understanding basics and some nuances of > this. > > > Also, Saturn in 4th house in an enemy house, such as simha > would definitely act different than Saturn 4th in exalt > house (tula) right... it is these kinds of details that I am > curious to learn. > > > If this is a silly question, and if this is not the right > level for me to ask, then I apologise. God bless us all. > > > Hari SmaraNs, > Pranadasa > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Sreenadh > <sreesog > wrote: > > > See the Web's breaking stories, > chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz./ > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Dear Bhaskarji, That is true. Also my 4 annas on this topic with references to all the other points : If saturn in friendly sign, it gives loving but overpowering mother. If it is in enemy sign, the love part will be less, I guess. For house/home, it gives big, old and later in life for the 1st condition. About materialistic or detachment, I have an example of Venus + Sat + Sun + Mercury in Tauraus in 4th. Yet to see any signs of detachment. Chiranjiv Mehta + 91 9324168001 --- On Fri, 14/8/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > Re: Saturn in 4th House > > Friday, 14 August, 2009, 11:44 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > A small input - > Saturn in 4th house, and 12th lord aspecting this > Saturn/placed in the 4th, or aspecting the 4th house, and/if > The Moon also linked to this combination in any way, will > produce detachment in the native. > Bad for material, domestic bliss and comforts or > happiness from Home Life, but very good for the latter part > of Life, when one wishes to enter the Sanyas ashram. > Love and regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > I have seen some controversial statements about > " Saturn in 4th house " > > in this group. When not discuss the same in detail > quoting the ancient > > astro classics and by verifying the same based on life > example charts > > and experience? > > * Saturn in 4th house generally give bad results - > what results? > > * Saturn in 4th is good for mother's longevity and > happiness from > > mother for some signs - which signs and why Saturn > should provide > > happiness from mother? > > * Saturn in 4th house can be much beneficial providing > Sasa Yoga for > > many houses - Which houses, and what are the results > to be predicted? > > * Saturn in 4th house can provide luxury vehicles to > the native in > > some houses - Which houses and why? > > * Saturn in 4th can indicate both the gain of > traditional lineage and > > hereditary property and also the loss of the same - > For which houses and > > what conditions need to be satisfied? > > * Saturn in 4th can indicate untimely death of mother > - what > > conditions need to be fulfilled for this to become > true? > > * Does Saturn in 4th make a native interested in > politics? - if so > > why? > > * Is it that Saturn in 4th will give bad results only, > or will it give > > good results as well? If so what good results and > why? > > Thus, I invite you all to discuss this subject of > Saturn in 4th house > > in detail? > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for local information? Find it on Local http://in.local./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 While I have the Sat-simha combination (i think one of the forum rules is that we should not discuss own horoscope, so am stopping from saying it)....but here is one 27 Nov '46, 12:30 noon, Mangalore. This person has seen nothing but hardship in life. Sat in karkatak, retrograde. Pranadasa On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:46 AM, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20wrote: > > > Dear Members and Esteemed Astrologers, > > I recollect that Saturn in 4th in Simha had giev a fatal heart attack at > the age of 45. I shall if possible give the details of the native the moment > I lay hands on the horoscope. > > D. D. Trivedi > > --- On Fri, 14/8/09, s s <freemorons <freemorons%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > s s <freemorons <freemorons%40gmail.com>> > Re: Saturn in 4th House > > To: <%40.\ com> > Friday, 14 August, 2009, 10:46 PM > > > > Sreenadhji, > > This is an excellent question...i have this exact same question - as a > novice in this field i definitely want to understand topics like this - > although I do not hope to ever reach the level of a professional astrologer, > I am interested in understanding basics and some nuances of this. > > Also, Saturn in 4th house in an enemy house, such as simha would definitely > act different than Saturn 4th in exalt house (tula) right... it is these > kinds of details that I am curious to learn. > > If this is a silly question, and if this is not the right level for me to > ask, then I apologise. God bless us all. > > Hari SmaraNs, > Pranadasa > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out > Buzz. http://in.buzz./ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Dear Sreenath ji, I had collected some of 'high lights' of Saturn in 4th house - in general: 1. A favourable Saturn will give much landed property. 2. The person will be separated from mother. 3. Closing part of the person's life will be miserable. 4. Health could suffer in early part of life. 5. He/she will be serious and deciplined. 6. He/she will prefer solitude. and feel 'disconnected' in relationship with others. 7. The person will always be in confused disposition and mentally disturbed - no constructive stable thoughts or acts, 8. Maternal uncle, enemies to family and loss of assets could disturb at all times, caused through weak Saturn. 9. The spouse may not be of good conduct (to check if any other Planet could change this 'inference') 10. Father should live long. 11. Career will have fluctuated success. 12. Education could suffer 13. The person's thought could be dispassionate. 14. One may find disfavour with his superiors in work place. 15. The native could have lonely end. 16. Ugliness, pessimism, depression, hard hearted, usage of harsh words, perversity, paranoia, tendency to look down when talking, eye for details on any minor thing, are some of the qualities one would gain in the period of 20 to 45 years of age. A.V.Pathi, Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingham, Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996, (consultation fees charged for direct detailed studies) Elec. Money Transfer to: Canara Bank, Chennai, India also at: kountinya29 s s <freemorons Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 6:16:55 PMRe: Saturn in 4th House Sreenadhji, This is an excellent question...i have this exact same question - as a novice in this field i definitely want to understand topics like this - although I do not hope to ever reach the level of a professional astrologer, I am interested in understanding basics and some nuances of this. Also, Saturn in 4th house in an enemy house, such as simha would definitely act different than Saturn 4th in exalt house (tula) right... it is these kinds of details that I am curious to learn. If this is a silly question, and if this is not the right level for me to ask, then I apologise. God bless us all. Hari SmaraNs, Pranadasa On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: Dear All, I have seen some controversial statements about "Saturn in 4th house" in this group. When not discuss the same in detail quoting the ancient astro classics and by verifying the same based on life example charts and experience? * Saturn in 4th house generally give bad results - what results? * Saturn in 4th is good for mother's longevity and happiness from mother for some signs - which signs and why Saturn should provide happiness from mother? * Saturn in 4th house can be much beneficial providing Sasa Yoga for many houses - Which houses, and what are the results to be predicted? * Saturn in 4th house can provide luxury vehicles to the native in some houses - Which houses and why? * Saturn in 4th can indicate both the gain of traditional lineage and hereditary property and also the loss of the same - For which houses and what conditions need to be satisfied? * Saturn in 4th can indicate untimely death of mother - what conditions need to be fulfilled for this to become true? * Does Saturn in 4th make a native interested in politics? - if so why? * Is it that Saturn in 4th will give bad results only, or will it give good results as well? If so what good results and why? Thus, I invite you all to discuss this subject of Saturn in 4th house in detail? Love and regards,Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Dear Venkatachala pathi ji, That is informative. I will share the ancient quotes on Saturn in 4th and the connected results in another mail.Love and regards,Sreenadh , venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote:>> Dear Sreenath ji,> > I had collected some of 'high lights' of Saturn in 4th house - in general:> > 1. A favourable Saturn will give much landed property.> 2. The person will be separated from mother.> 3. Closing part of the person's life will be miserable.> 4. Health could suffer in early part of life.> 5. He/she will be serious and deciplined.> 6. He/she will prefer solitude. and feel 'disconnected' in relationship with others.> 7. The person will always be in confused disposition and mentally disturbed - no constructive stable thoughts or acts,> 8. Maternal uncle, enemies to family and loss of assets could disturb at all times, caused through weak Saturn.> 9. The spouse may not be of good conduct (to check if any other Planet could change this 'inference')> 10. Father should live long.> 11. Career will have fluctuated success.> 12. Education could suffer> 13. The person's thought could be dispassionate.> 14. One may find disfavour with his superiors in work place.> 15. The native could have lonely end.> 16. Ugliness, pessimism, depression, hard hearted, usage of harsh words, perversity, paranoia,> tendency to look down when talking, eye for details on any minor thing, are some of the qualities one would gain in the period > of 20 to 45 years of age.> > > A.V.Pathi, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Dear Shri A.V. Pathi, I am giving below an example of Saturn in the 4th house. DOB : 13th July 1943 TOB 11.15pm War Time POB Khedbrahma, North Gujarat The lagna is Aquarius and hence the Saturn becomes benefic. Saturn is placed in 4th house in the zodiacal sign of Taurus. He is an exceptionally good General Surgeon holding Top Most position in one of the best Private Hospital in Mumbai. He has got all the benefits which a modern person would like in life however he never seems to be in Good Mood. D. D. Trivedi --- On Sat, 15/8/09, venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote: venkatachala pathi <pathiav Re: Saturn in 4th House Saturday, 15 August, 2009, 6:54 PM Dear Sreenath ji, I had collected some of 'high lights' of Saturn in 4th house - in general: 1. A favourable Saturn will give much landed property. 2. The person will be separated from mother. 3. Closing part of the person's life will be miserable. 4. Health could suffer in early part of life. 5. He/she will be serious and deciplined. 6. He/she will prefer solitude. and feel 'disconnected' in relationship with others. 7. The person will always be in confused disposition and mentally disturbed - no constructive stable thoughts or acts, 8. Maternal uncle, enemies to family and loss of assets could disturb at all times, caused through weak Saturn. 9. The spouse may not be of good conduct (to check if any other Planet could change this 'inference') 10. Father should live long. 11. Career will have fluctuated success. 12. Education could suffer 13. The person's thought could be dispassionate. 14. One may find disfavour with his superiors in work place. 15. The native could have lonely end. 16. Ugliness, pessimism, depression, hard hearted, usage of harsh words, perversity, paranoia, tendency to look down when talking, eye for details on any minor thing, are some of the qualities one would gain in the period of 20 to 45 years of age. A.V.Pathi, Astrologer, 'Oxton House', 6, Hawthorn Road,Cherry Willingham, Lincoln LN3 4JT, United Kingdom . 0044+01522+595996, (consultation fees charged for direct detailed studies) Elec. Money Transfer to: Canara Bank, Chennai, India also at: kountinya29@ gmail.com s s <freemorons (AT) gmail (DOT) com> ancient_indian_ astrology Friday, August 14, 2009 6:16:55 PM Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Saturn in 4th House Sreenadhji, This is an excellent question...i have this exact same question - as a novice in this field i definitely want to understand topics like this - although I do not hope to ever reach the level of a professional astrologer, I am interested in understanding basics and some nuances of this. Also, Saturn in 4th house in an enemy house, such as simha would definitely act different than Saturn 4th in exalt house (tula) right... it is these kinds of details that I am curious to learn. If this is a silly question, and if this is not the right level for me to ask, then I apologise. God bless us all. Hari SmaraNs, Pranadasa On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: Dear All, I have seen some controversial statements about " Saturn in 4th house " in this group. When not discuss the same in detail quoting the ancient astro classics and by verifying the same based on life example charts and experience? * Saturn in 4th house generally give bad results - what results? * Saturn in 4th is good for mother's longevity and happiness from mother for some signs - which signs and why Saturn should provide happiness from mother? * Saturn in 4th house can be much beneficial providing Sasa Yoga for many houses - Which houses, and what are the results to be predicted? * Saturn in 4th house can provide luxury vehicles to the native in some houses - Which houses and why? * Saturn in 4th can indicate both the gain of traditional lineage and hereditary property and also the loss of the same - For which houses and what conditions need to be satisfied? * Saturn in 4th can indicate untimely death of mother - what conditions need to be fulfilled for this to become true? * Does Saturn in 4th make a native interested in politics? - if so why? * Is it that Saturn in 4th will give bad results only, or will it give good results as well? If so what good results and why? Thus, I invite you all to discuss this subject of Saturn in 4th house in detail? Love and regards, Sreenadh See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Dear Dushyant trivedi ji Thanks for posting chart and subsequent feed back when quoting war time pls also post time adjustmnt and lagna Dgree also so as new comers in grp to make chart s and study it thanks and rgrds sunilo nair , dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote:>> Dear Shri A.V. Pathi,> > I am giving below an example of Saturn in the 4th house.> > DOB : 13th July 1943> TOB 11.15pm War Time> POB Khedbrahma, North Gujarat> > The lagna is Aquarius and hence the Saturn becomes benefic. Saturn is placed in 4th house in the zodiacal sign of Taurus.> > He is an exceptionally good General Surgeon holding Top Most position in one of the best Private Hospital in Mumbai.> > He has got all the benefits which a modern person would like in life however he never seems to be in Good Mood.> > D. D. Trivedi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Dear Mr. Sunil Nair, The War time correction is -1hour. Using Chitra Paksha Ayanamsa I get Lagna degree as AQUARIUS 16* 32' 42 " . Hope this suffies your requirement. D. D. Trivedi --- On Sun, 16/8/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Saturn in 4th House Sunday, 16 August, 2009, 9:45 AM Dear Dushyant trivedi ji Thanks for posting chart and subsequent feed back when quoting war time pls also post time adjustmnt and lagna Dgree also so as new comers in grp to make chart s and study it thanks and rgrds sunilo nair ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@.. .> wrote: > > Dear Shri A.V. Pathi, > > I am giving below an example of Saturn in the 4th house. > > DOB : 13th July 1943 > TOB 11.15pm War Time > POB Khedbrahma, North Gujarat > > The lagna is Aquarius and hence the Saturn becomes benefic. Saturn is placed in 4th house in the zodiacal sign of Taurus. > > He is an exceptionally good General Surgeon holding Top Most position in one of the best Private Hospital in Mumbai. > > He has got all the benefits which a modern person would like in life however he never seems to be in Good Mood. > > D. D. Trivedi recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Dear Dushyant Ji Sure ,i was aware of it as i hav see Amitabh ji s chart and rajiv gandhi s chart But when we post charts we shud avoid max confusions which can other wise work like a hindrance to many new memebrs into astrology and its discussions thanks for posting the required informations rgrds sunil nair , dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote:>> Dear Mr. Sunil Nair,> > The War time correction is -1hour. Using Chitra Paksha Ayanamsa I get Lagna degree as AQUARIUS 16* 32' 42".> > Hope this suffies your requirement.> > D. D. Trivedi> > --- On Sun, 16/8/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: Saturn in 4th House> > Sunday, 16 August, 2009, 9:45 AM> > Dear Dushyant trivedi ji> > Thanks for posting chart and subsequent feed back> > when quoting war time pls also post time adjustmnt and lagna Dgree also so as new comers in grp to make chart s and study it> > thanks and rgrds sunilo nair> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .> wrote:> >> > Dear Shri A.V. Pathi,> > > > I am giving below an example of Saturn in the 4th house.> > > > DOB : 13th July 1943> > TOB 11.15pm War Time> > POB Khedbrahma, North Gujarat> > > > The lagna is Aquarius and hence the Saturn becomes benefic. Saturn is placed in 4th house in the zodiacal sign of Taurus.> > > > He is an exceptionally good General Surgeon holding Top Most position in one of the best Private Hospital in Mumbai.> > > > He has got all the benefits which a modern person would like in life however he never seems to be in Good Mood.> > > > D. D. Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommends that you upgrade to the new and safer Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Dear Sreenadh ji I am aware of a person whose horoscope has Saturn in 4H with Sasa yoga(Cancer Lagna). She is having all comforts in life and is leading probably a very happy life. She is blessed with two children who are now in good position. Her mother is nearing 80 and is fairly healthy, not only doing her own activities but also doing chores of the house cooking, cleaning, washing and all that. I hope it answers your mail partly.regards,Udupa.On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear All, I have seen some controversial statements about " Saturn in 4th house " in this group. When not discuss the same in detail quoting the ancient astro classics and by verifying the same based on life example charts and experience? * Saturn in 4th house generally give bad results - what results? * Saturn in 4th is good for mother's longevity and happiness from mother for some signs - which signs and why Saturn should provide happiness from mother? * Saturn in 4th house can be much beneficial providing Sasa Yoga for many houses - Which houses, and what are the results to be predicted? * Saturn in 4th house can provide luxury vehicles to the native in some houses - Which houses and why? * Saturn in 4th can indicate both the gain of traditional lineage and hereditary property and also the loss of the same - For which houses and what conditions need to be satisfied? * Saturn in 4th can indicate untimely death of mother - what conditions need to be fulfilled for this to become true? * Does Saturn in 4th make a native interested in politics? - if so why? * Is it that Saturn in 4th will give bad results only, or will it give good results as well? If so what good results and why? Thus, I invite you all to discuss this subject of Saturn in 4th house in detail? Love and regards,Sreenadh -- Please visit my website http://www.astrocare.in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 dear bhaskarji and other members. I am giving below the details of a native with saturn in simha. dob:mar 17th 1950 time 10.15 am place: Dindigul. I know this native since 1974. to some extent he leads a sort of detached life, married has a son, detached in the sense he has not bothered much abt family. a workalcholic, now retired from service. He lost his father in 1998. HIs mother is still alive. he is very comfortable as far as finances are concerned. has a craze for gold ornaments. Fond of liquor between 1988 to 2008, because of parties hosted by company where he was working. now he has reduced the frequeency of his intake because of Deep vein thrombosis problem. 2years back I read an article abt stars and its qualities wherein they have mentione male members born under sadhyam star do crave for liquor. He has an aversion for fruits. regards, k.gopu--- On Sat, 8/15/09, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote: chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjivRe: Re: Saturn in 4th House Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 1:37 PM Dear Bhaskarji,That is true. Also my 4 annas on this topic with references to all the other points :If saturn in friendly sign, it gives loving but overpowering mother.If it is in enemy sign, the love part will be less, I guess.For house/home, it gives big, old and later in life for the 1st condition.About materialistic or detachment, I have an example of Venus + Sat + Sun + Mercury in Tauraus in 4th. Yet to see any signs of detachment.Chiranjiv Mehta+ 91 9324168001--- On Fri, 14/8/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Saturn in 4th House> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, 14 August, 2009, 11:44 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> A small input -> Saturn in 4th house, and 12th lord aspecting this> Saturn/placed in the 4th, or aspecting the 4th house, and/if> The Moon also linked to this combination in any way, will> produce detachment in the native.> Bad for material, domestic bliss and comforts or> happiness from Home Life, but very good for the latter part> of Life, when one wishes to enter the Sanyas ashram.> Love and regards,> Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "Sreenadh" <sreesog > wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > I have seen some controversial statements about> "Saturn in 4th house"> > in this group. When not discuss the same in detail> quoting the ancient> > astro classics and by verifying the same based on life> example charts > > and experience?> > * Saturn in 4th house generally give bad results -> what results?> > * Saturn in 4th is good for mother's longevity and> happiness from> > mother for some signs - which signs and why Saturn> should provide> > happiness from mother?> > * Saturn in 4th house can be much beneficial providing> Sasa Yoga for> > many houses - Which houses, and what are the results> to be predicted?> > * Saturn in 4th house can provide luxury vehicles to> the native in> > some houses - Which houses and why?> > * Saturn in 4th can indicate both the gain of> traditional lineage and> > hereditary property and also the loss of the same -> For which houses and> > what conditions need to be satisfied?> > * Saturn in 4th can indicate untimely death of mother> - what> > conditions need to be fulfilled for this to become> true?> > * Does Saturn in 4th make a native interested in> politics? - if so> > why?> > * Is it that Saturn in 4th will give bad results only,> or will it give> > good results as well? If so what good results and> why?> > Thus, I invite you all to discuss this subject of> Saturn in 4th house > > in detail?> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for local information? Find it on Local http://in.local. / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Dear sorabh sharma JI I welcome u to grp .But i hav some advise also to giv u as this is a discussion grp and a core team of moderators r here working 24x7 basis depending on their time zone and avaialblity of time . If u remebr we had very nice discussions in past when i hav ample of time for grp astrology in offline and in various grps ,still i cherish those days But ur advise directed to shri Bhaskar ji who is a prominent memebr in this grp is highly unsolicited and even the chart u posted wont qualify for such statements of bhaskar ji ,sure the chart has sani in 4th House and tallies with the general tread of discussion i invite ur attention on Bhaskar ji s statemnts he said ######A small input - Saturn in 4th house, and 12th lord aspecting this Saturn/placed in the4th, or aspecting the 4th house, and/if The Moon also linked to thiscombination in any way, will produce detachment in the native. Bad for material, domestic bliss and comforts or happiness from Home Life, but very good for the latter part of Life, when one wishes to enter the Sanyas ashram.#####So it is clear ,u r chart where sani in in 4th house exalted and 4th Lord in lagna ,sani only aspected By rahu and no connection with Moon or 12th L ,any way dont qualify for that i blv .Also i request u to dont use any remarks or direct attacking language in grp ,as many of this memebrs feels a Longingness and Homely in this very grp and when ever a new memebr comes and directs their mails to them they feels agitated and it may spoil the general cordial atmosphere of this grp .But i know u r a genuine person and real id ,many may even think when a new comer strts some thing like this ,even they may think that u came here with agenda .i know u r a sincere resercher in astrology and not a astrologer looking for cleints or business .But when we talk with astrologicaly seniors ( even if they r wrong ) so long as they dont use any bad language and any personal attacks against u ,pls treat them with respect .Also call or address every body in grp with a Ji attached unless u r sure they are very young than ur age or they requested u to not to use the suffix .Wat u said is correct ,we hav to consider whole charts and other specific factors Like vargas ,strnght of planets etc to even Dasa for fruitifications of such events .But such a advice is not applicable when we simply discuss the placements of planets in a purticualr House ,sure after posting charts ,u can argue pro and anti against any statments ,but not with direct attack style presentation while discussing.i am not aware of any Out of grp fights or events ,if anything happend ,pls keep it out of the grp rgrds sunil nair , "mrsorabhsharma" <mrsorabhsharma wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar > > I think it would be premature to say that every horoscope with saturn in the 4th aspected by the 12th lord with a moon connection would cause an upset in dosmestic bliss. The whole horoscope must be examined in full - as an overall calculation and the right dashas must be present in the right age of the native to make any of the statements true. You have not even mentioned looking at the chart in the navamsa, from the moon, or from the 4th lord or from the dasha lord. these factors HAVE to be taken into consideration. > > june 22 1983> 09:10 am > antwerp, belgium> > saturn in the 4th aspected by rahu in the 12th. Moon is debilitated and aspected by the 12th lord mercury. according to your theory this would make a person detached - when actually, this person is extremely homely - for a young girl living in a modern city thats quite rare > > > 'Bad for material, domestic bliss and comforts or happiness from Home> > Life, but very good for the latter part of Life, when one wishes to> > enter the Sanyas ashram'> > she is born in a very wealthy family and has a lot of material benefits. she has domestic bliss - gets along fine with her parents and very fond of her mother. sanayasi in later part of life ? well time will tell - although that could prove true as sun is in 12th and linked closely with rahu. the aspect from saturn on sun in 12th could prove this point. So as far as saturn in the 4th is concerned, yes - for a sanayasi yoga it maybe beneficial if and only if other factors and the right dasha is present. It becomes very dangerous to give predictions based on the placement of one or two planets! > > Aum Tat Sat> Sorabh Sharma> > , "Bhaskar" bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > A small input -> > > > Saturn in 4th house, and 12th lord aspecting this Saturn/placed in the> > 4th, or aspecting the 4th house, and/if The Moon also linked to this> > combination in any way, will produce detachment in the native.> > > > Bad for material, domestic bliss and comforts or happiness from Home> > Life, but very good for the latter part of Life, when one wishes to> > enter the Sanyas ashram.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > > I have seen some controversial statements about "Saturn in 4th house"> > > in this group. When not discuss the same in detail quoting the ancient> > > astro classics and by verifying the same based on life example charts> > > and experience?> > > * Saturn in 4th house generally give bad results - what results?> > > * Saturn in 4th is good for mother's longevity and happiness from> > > mother for some signs - which signs and why Saturn should provide> > > happiness from mother?> > > * Saturn in 4th house can be much beneficial providing Sasa Yoga for> > > many houses - Which houses, and what are the results to be predicted?> > > * Saturn in 4th house can provide luxury vehicles to the native in> > > some houses - Which houses and why?> > > * Saturn in 4th can indicate both the gain of traditional lineage and> > > hereditary property and also the loss of the same - For which houses> > and> > > what conditions need to be satisfied?> > > * Saturn in 4th can indicate untimely death of mother - what> > > conditions need to be fulfilled for this to become true?> > > * Does Saturn in 4th make a native interested in politics? - if so> > > why?> > > * Is it that Saturn in 4th will give bad results only, or will it give> > > good results as well? If so what good results and why?> > > Thus, I invite you all to discuss this subject of Saturn in 4th house> > > in detail?> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Dear Sharma ji, Of course this would very much premature and immature too, if one says like this. I agree with you fully. No astrologer worth his salt would ever just base predictions based on Planets in housewise without going in the other intracasies of the chart. But we were discussing on general placements housewise and not related to any Particular Lagna. For instance the Sun may be good in Lagna for a Leo ascendant, but for a Capricorn Lagna, this position may not be favourable. Though the Sun is in the first House in both cases. regards/Bhaskar. , " mrsorabhsharma " <mrsorabhsharma wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar > > I think it would be premature to say that every horoscope with saturn in the 4th aspected by the 12th lord with a moon connection would cause an upset in dosmestic bliss. The whole horoscope must be examined in full - as an overall calculation and the right dashas must be present in the right age of the native to make any of the statements true. You have not even mentioned looking at the chart in the navamsa, from the moon, or from the 4th lord or from the dasha lord. these factors HAVE to be taken into consideration. > > june 22 1983 > 09:10 am > antwerp, belgium > > saturn in the 4th aspected by rahu in the 12th. Moon is debilitated and aspected by the 12th lord mercury. according to your theory this would make a person detached - when actually, this person is extremely homely - for a young girl living in a modern city thats quite rare > > > 'Bad for material, domestic bliss and comforts or happiness from Home > > Life, but very good for the latter part of Life, when one wishes to > > enter the Sanyas ashram' > > she is born in a very wealthy family and has a lot of material benefits. she has domestic bliss - gets along fine with her parents and very fond of her mother. sanayasi in later part of life ? well time will tell - although that could prove true as sun is in 12th and linked closely with rahu. the aspect from saturn on sun in 12th could prove this point. So as far as saturn in the 4th is concerned, yes - for a sanayasi yoga it maybe beneficial if and only if other factors and the right dasha is present. It becomes very dangerous to give predictions based on the placement of one or two planets! > > Aum Tat Sat > Sorabh Sharma > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > A small input - > > > > Saturn in 4th house, and 12th lord aspecting this Saturn/placed in the > > 4th, or aspecting the 4th house, and/if The Moon also linked to this > > combination in any way, will produce detachment in the native. > > > > Bad for material, domestic bliss and comforts or happiness from Home > > Life, but very good for the latter part of Life, when one wishes to > > enter the Sanyas ashram. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > I have seen some controversial statements about " Saturn in 4th house " > > > in this group. When not discuss the same in detail quoting the ancient > > > astro classics and by verifying the same based on life example charts > > > and experience? > > > * Saturn in 4th house generally give bad results - what results? > > > * Saturn in 4th is good for mother's longevity and happiness from > > > mother for some signs - which signs and why Saturn should provide > > > happiness from mother? > > > * Saturn in 4th house can be much beneficial providing Sasa Yoga for > > > many houses - Which houses, and what are the results to be predicted? > > > * Saturn in 4th house can provide luxury vehicles to the native in > > > some houses - Which houses and why? > > > * Saturn in 4th can indicate both the gain of traditional lineage and > > > hereditary property and also the loss of the same - For which houses > > and > > > what conditions need to be satisfied? > > > * Saturn in 4th can indicate untimely death of mother - what > > > conditions need to be fulfilled for this to become true? > > > * Does Saturn in 4th make a native interested in politics? - if so > > > why? > > > * Is it that Saturn in 4th will give bad results only, or will it give > > > good results as well? If so what good results and why? > > > Thus, I invite you all to discuss this subject of Saturn in 4th house > > > in detail? > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Dear Dhananjayan ji, Nice example ! May 4, 1969 Time: 23:40:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 79 E 04' 00 " , 12 N 13' 00 " Can you tell us what happened in vimsottari Venus\sun period from arpil 85 to april 86 and sun\venus in dec 06 to dec 07. Does his mother suffers seriously in this period ?. As per brigu sutra Lagnesh saturn in 4th house give long life to mother. this sutra is working in this example . Thankyou, Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur , Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya wrote: > > Pranams, > > Dear Mr.Sreenadh ji, > > I have a client whose DOB:4th May 1969 @ 23.40 hrs IST in 79 E 04 : > 12 N 13 (Tz 5.30). > 1) He is pious , kind hearted and a liberal donor of good cause,., > 2) He is post graduate and CFA, > 3) Most obedient to his parents and daily after his morning bath, it is his routine practice to get his mother's blessings by his sastanganamaskaram(his both the parents are alive), > 4)His mother is around 65 years of age suffering from Diabetics,Osteoporosis,Glaucoma. > 5)His wife is a PG,a girl of cheerful temperament,has high regards to her in-laws, > 6) He has two sons who are very calm and intelligent, > 7) He often complains of chest pain and back pain due to Lumbar spodylitis, > 8) He owns Two costly Japanese make cars, > 9) No house of his own, > 10) Workaholic and daily commutes to his office which is at a long distance. > I hope the above birth data and the native's real life situations may help to draw some specific conclusions. > Regards / Dhananjayan > P.S:THE ABOVE DATA IS SUBSCRIBED AFTER OWNERS PERMISSION,HENCE THE DELAY. > > > > > --- On Fri, 14/8/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > Sreenadh <sreesog > Saturn in 4th House > > Friday, 14 August, 2009, 10:35 PM > > > > > > Dear All, > I have seen some controversial statements about " Saturn in 4th house " in this group. When not discuss the same in detail quoting the ancient astro classics and by verifying the same based on life example charts and experience? > * Saturn in 4th house generally give bad results - what results? > * Saturn in 4th is good for mother's longevity and happiness from mother for some signs - which signs and why Saturn should provide happiness from mother? > * Saturn in 4th house can be much beneficial providing Sasa Yoga for many houses - Which houses, and what are the results to be predicted? > * Saturn in 4th house can provide luxury vehicles to the native in some houses - Which houses and why? > * Saturn in 4th can indicate both the gain of traditional lineage and hereditary property and also the loss of the same - For which houses and what conditions need to be satisfied? > * Saturn in 4th can indicate untimely death of mother - what conditions need to be fulfilled for this to become true? > * Does Saturn in 4th make a native interested in politics? - if so why? > * Is it that Saturn in 4th will give bad results only, or will it give good results as well? If so what good results and why? > Thus, I invite you all to discuss this subject of Saturn in 4th house in detail? > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Email names for you! > Get the Email name you & #39;ve always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. > Hurry before someone else does! > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Respected Sunil nair ji, Namaskar ! " the athi manusha yoga jup and venus aspecting each other is Known as athi manusha yoga-means they 7/7 each other ( pls search such charts and let us also discuss ,(i know sarath powar ,Jyothi basu ,henry Kissinger,fiedel castro ,boris yetsin ,L K advani ,Ramakrishna hegde ,Dr subramnyam swami ,shah rukh khan ,sunil gavaskar to name few has this combination -even if birth time is wrong) it says they hav ability to fight against odds and achiev success hence it is known as athi manusha yoga ,other than Normal people " Very Good Info. Does this yoga is for 7-7 position only? Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Dear dhananjayan ji > > Thanks for ur chart and subsequent feed back ( here is my observations > at a glance ) > > here sani is lagna Lord ( we hav Shri BV Raman ,shri amitabh bhachan and > even sanath jayasurya etc are few ppl who has sani as Lagna lord and > mostly in 4th ( if at all the lagna is correct and sanath jayasurya has > sani in 3rd House of Parakram bhava and every one Knows he is a sports > man -sure it is a blanket statemnt ,we hav to see whole chart ) > > And same sani is with a exlated Planet ,and his sani even if debilation > is cancelled due to proximity to sun another exalted planet ,his sani > dasa is over b4 birth itself as he born in Jyeshta nakshtra ( so may b > he had sani dasa in past life itself ) > And after he born in merc dasa we can see almost he got some what good > dasa except sun ( pls giv feed back on the dasa and events as he is with > a debilated planet ) in bhava sun goes to 5th house too > also has guru and ketu both dharmic planets in 9th house of dharma and > 9th L is in 5th house of mertis of past life and in mantra stana and > putra stana ,merc aspected by moon givs a tinge of sarasawathi yoga ,and > in sthira rasi givs a stability and strnght in thoughts and idea s . > > Now debilated Moon dasa is going on and it is aspected by again 9th L > frm Lagna and in 11th house with 11th Lord > > frm moon itself merc is 11th L ( mooltrikona sign ) > > pls giv us some feed backs on this, abt this dasa too > > here i like to add some thing which is our chandu ji was asking me which > i forget to post it due to time constraints ) > > the athi manusha yoga > > jup and venus aspecting each other is Known as athi manusha yoga-means > they 7/7 each other ( pls search such charts and let us also discuss > ,(i know sarath powar ,Jyothi basu ,henry Kissinger,fiedel castro ,boris > yetsin ,L K advani ,Ramakrishna hegde ,Dr subramnyam swami ,shah rukh > khan ,sunil gavaskar to name few has this combination -even if birth > time is wrong ) > > it says they hav ability to fight against odds and achiev success hence > it is known as athi manusha yoga ,other than Normal people > > let us together see in normal Known charts and see How it is frutifying > ,let us see this seperatly > in both male and female charts > > rgrds sunil nair > > , Dhananjayan Brahma > <abhanaya@> wrote: > > > > > Pranams, > > > > Dear Mr.Sreenadh ji, > > > > I have a client whose DOB:4th May 1969 @ 23.40 hrs IST in 79 E 04 : > > 12 N 13 (Tz 5.30). > > 1) He is pious , kind hearted and a liberal donor of good cause,., > > 2) He is post graduate and CFA, > > 3) Most obedient to his parents and daily after his morning bath, it > is his routine practice to get his mother's blessings by his > sastanganamaskaram(his both the parents are alive), > > 4)His mother is around 65 years of age suffering from > Diabetics,Osteoporosis,Glaucoma. > > 5)His wife is a PG,a girl of cheerful temperament,has high regards to > her in-laws, > > 6) He has two sons who are very calm and intelligent, > > 7) He often complains of chest pain and back pain due to Lumbar > spodylitis, > > 8) He owns Two costly Japanese make cars, > > 9) No house of his own, > > 10) Workaholic and daily commutes to his office which is at a long > distance. > > I hope the above birth data and the native's real life situations may > help to draw some specific conclusions. > > Regards / Dhananjayan > > P.S:THE ABOVE DATA IS SUBSCRIBED AFTER OWNERS PERMISSION,HENCE THE > DELAY. > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 14/8/09, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ > > Saturn in 4th House > > > > Friday, 14 August, 2009, 10:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > I have seen some controversial statements about " Saturn in 4th > house " in this group. When not discuss the same in detail quoting the > ancient astro classics and by verifying the same based on life example > charts and experience? > > * Saturn in 4th house generally give bad results - what results? > > * Saturn in 4th is good for mother's longevity and happiness from > mother for some signs - which signs and why Saturn should provide > happiness from mother? > > * Saturn in 4th house can be much beneficial providing Sasa Yoga for > many houses - Which houses, and what are the results to be predicted? > > * Saturn in 4th house can provide luxury vehicles to the native in > some houses - Which houses and why? > > * Saturn in 4th can indicate both the gain of traditional lineage > and hereditary property and also the loss of the same - For which houses > and what conditions need to be satisfied? > > * Saturn in 4th can indicate untimely death of mother - what > conditions need to be fulfilled for this to become true? > > * Does Saturn in 4th make a native interested in politics? - if so > why? > > * Is it that Saturn in 4th will give bad results only, or will it > give good results as well? If so what good results and why? > > Thus, I invite you all to discuss this subject of Saturn in 4th > house in detail? > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Email names for you! > > Get the Email name you & #39;ve always wanted on the new @ymail and > @rocketmail. > > Hurry before someone else does! > > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Dear Sri Sunil Ji, and Shri Dhananjayan Ji, Thank you for sharing the chart and native's life events for stduy.. And Shri Sunil Ji.... //here i like to add some thing which is our chandu ji was asking me which i forget to post it due to time constraints)the athi manusha yoga jup and venus aspecting each other is Known as athi manusha yoga-means they 7/7 each other ( pls search such charts and let us also discuss,(i know sarath powar ,Jyothi basu ,henry Kissinger,fiedel castro ,boris yetsin ,L K advani ,Ramakrishna hegde ,Dr subramnyam swami ,shah rukh khan, sunil gavaskar to name few has this combination - even if birth time is wrong)// Thank you for illuminating us and sharing your valuable knowledge.. with regards and respect Chandu2Chill P S: //- even if birth time is wrong//..hah..ha..ha i got it why you mentioned this !!!:-):-) good Tit-for-Tat.....:-) , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > Dear dhananjayan ji > > Thanks for ur chart and subsequent feed back ( here is my observations > at a glance ) > > here sani is lagna Lord ( we hav Shri BV Raman ,shri amitabh bhachan and > even sanath jayasurya etc are few ppl who has sani as Lagna lord and > mostly in 4th ( if at all the lagna is correct and sanath jayasurya has > sani in 3rd House of Parakram bhava and every one Knows he is a sports > man -sure it is a blanket statemnt ,we hav to see whole chart ) > > And same sani is with a exlated Planet ,and his sani even if debilation > is cancelled due to proximity to sun another exalted planet ,his sani > dasa is over b4 birth itself as he born in Jyeshta nakshtra ( so may b > he had sani dasa in past life itself ) > And after he born in merc dasa we can see almost he got some what good > dasa except sun ( pls giv feed back on the dasa and events as he is with > a debilated planet ) in bhava sun goes to 5th house too > also has guru and ketu both dharmic planets in 9th house of dharma and > 9th L is in 5th house of mertis of past life and in mantra stana and > putra stana ,merc aspected by moon givs a tinge of sarasawathi yoga ,and > in sthira rasi givs a stability and strnght in thoughts and idea s . > > Now debilated Moon dasa is going on and it is aspected by again 9th L > frm Lagna and in 11th house with 11th Lord > > frm moon itself merc is 11th L ( mooltrikona sign ) > > pls giv us some feed backs on this, abt this dasa too > > here i like to add some thing which is our chandu ji was asking me which > i forget to post it due to time constraints ) > > the athi manusha yoga > > jup and venus aspecting each other is Known as athi manusha yoga-means > they 7/7 each other ( pls search such charts and let us also discuss > ,(i know sarath powar ,Jyothi basu ,henry Kissinger,fiedel castro ,boris > yetsin ,L K advani ,Ramakrishna hegde ,Dr subramnyam swami ,shah rukh > khan ,sunil gavaskar to name few has this combination -even if birth > time is wrong ) > > it says they hav ability to fight against odds and achiev success hence > it is known as athi manusha yoga ,other than Normal people > > let us together see in normal Known charts and see How it is frutifying > ,let us see this seperatly > in both male and female charts > > rgrds sunil nair > > , Dhananjayan Brahma > <abhanaya@> wrote: > > > > > Pranams, > > > > Dear Mr.Sreenadh ji, > > > > I have a client whose DOB:4th May 1969 @ 23.40 hrs IST in 79 E 04 : > > 12 N 13 (Tz 5.30). > > 1) He is pious , kind hearted and a liberal donor of good cause,., > > 2) He is post graduate and CFA, > > 3) Most obedient to his parents and daily after his morning bath, it > is his routine practice to get his mother's blessings by his > sastanganamaskaram(his both the parents are alive), > > 4)His mother is around 65 years of age suffering from > Diabetics,Osteoporosis,Glaucoma. > > 5)His wife is a PG,a girl of cheerful temperament,has high regards to > her in-laws, > > 6) He has two sons who are very calm and intelligent, > > 7) He often complains of chest pain and back pain due to Lumbar > spodylitis, > > 8) He owns Two costly Japanese make cars, > > 9) No house of his own, > > 10) Workaholic and daily commutes to his office which is at a long > distance. > > I hope the above birth data and the native's real life situations may > help to draw some specific conclusions. > > Regards / Dhananjayan > > P.S:THE ABOVE DATA IS SUBSCRIBED AFTER OWNERS PERMISSION,HENCE THE > DELAY. > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 14/8/09, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ > > Saturn in 4th House > > > > Friday, 14 August, 2009, 10:35 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > I have seen some controversial statements about " Saturn in 4th > house " in this group. When not discuss the same in detail quoting the > ancient astro classics and by verifying the same based on life example > charts and experience? > > * Saturn in 4th house generally give bad results - what results? > > * Saturn in 4th is good for mother's longevity and happiness from > mother for some signs - which signs and why Saturn should provide > happiness from mother? > > * Saturn in 4th house can be much beneficial providing Sasa Yoga for > many houses - Which houses, and what are the results to be predicted? > > * Saturn in 4th house can provide luxury vehicles to the native in > some houses - Which houses and why? > > * Saturn in 4th can indicate both the gain of traditional lineage > and hereditary property and also the loss of the same - For which houses > and what conditions need to be satisfied? > > * Saturn in 4th can indicate untimely death of mother - what > conditions need to be fulfilled for this to become true? > > * Does Saturn in 4th make a native interested in politics? - if so > why? > > * Is it that Saturn in 4th will give bad results only, or will it > give good results as well? If so what good results and why? > > Thus, I invite you all to discuss this subject of Saturn in 4th > house in detail? > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Email names for you! > > Get the Email name you & #39;ve always wanted on the new @ymail and > @rocketmail. > > Hurry before someone else does! > > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel Ji sure planets shud b in 7th frm each other .i dont know nor has any idea if it is mentioned in any rishi Horas but this is frm oral traditions of kerala .so may b or may not b has some approval frm rishi parampara .sure all other conditions we seen prior to ascertain any raja yogas is applicable to such charts I find such persons has some peculiarity ( sure mostly when planets r in best places and dignity ) and generaly they r distinct frm the General crowd rgrds sunil nair , "Vijay Goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Respected Sunil nair ji,> > Namaskar !> "the athi manusha yoga> > jup and venus aspecting each other is Known as athi manusha yoga-means they 7/7 each other ( pls search such charts and let us also discuss ,(i know sarath powar ,Jyothi basu ,henry Kissinger,fiedel castro ,boris yetsin ,L K advani ,Ramakrishna hegde ,Dr subramnyam swami ,shah rukh khan ,sunil gavaskar to name few has this combination -even if birth time is wrong) > > it says they hav ability to fight against odds and achiev success hence it is known as athi manusha yoga ,other than Normal people" > > Very Good Info.> Does this yoga is for 7-7 position only?> > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> > > , "sunil nair" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear dhananjayan ji> > > > Thanks for ur chart and subsequent feed back ( here is my observations> > at a glance )> > > > here sani is lagna Lord ( we hav Shri BV Raman ,shri amitabh bhachan and> > even sanath jayasurya etc are few ppl who has sani as Lagna lord and> > mostly in 4th ( if at all the lagna is correct and sanath jayasurya has> > sani in 3rd House of Parakram bhava and every one Knows he is a sports> > man -sure it is a blanket statemnt ,we hav to see whole chart )> > > > And same sani is with a exlated Planet ,and his sani even if debilation> > is cancelled due to proximity to sun another exalted planet ,his sani> > dasa is over b4 birth itself as he born in Jyeshta nakshtra ( so may b> > he had sani dasa in past life itself )> > And after he born in merc dasa we can see almost he got some what good> > dasa except sun ( pls giv feed back on the dasa and events as he is with> > a debilated planet ) in bhava sun goes to 5th house too> > also has guru and ketu both dharmic planets in 9th house of dharma and> > 9th L is in 5th house of mertis of past life and in mantra stana and> > putra stana ,merc aspected by moon givs a tinge of sarasawathi yoga ,and> > in sthira rasi givs a stability and strnght in thoughts and idea s .> > > > Now debilated Moon dasa is going on and it is aspected by again 9th L> > frm Lagna and in 11th house with 11th Lord> > > > frm moon itself merc is 11th L ( mooltrikona sign )> > > > pls giv us some feed backs on this, abt this dasa too> > > > here i like to add some thing which is our chandu ji was asking me which> > i forget to post it due to time constraints )> > > > the athi manusha yoga> > > > jup and venus aspecting each other is Known as athi manusha yoga-means> > they 7/7 each other ( pls search such charts and let us also discuss> > ,(i know sarath powar ,Jyothi basu ,henry Kissinger,fiedel castro ,boris> > yetsin ,L K advani ,Ramakrishna hegde ,Dr subramnyam swami ,shah rukh> > khan ,sunil gavaskar to name few has this combination -even if birth> > time is wrong )> > > > it says they hav ability to fight against odds and achiev success hence> > it is known as athi manusha yoga ,other than Normal people> > > > let us together see in normal Known charts and see How it is frutifying> > ,let us see this seperatly> > in both male and female charts> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > , Dhananjayan Brahma> > <abhanaya@> wrote:> > >> > > > > Pranams,> > >> > > Dear Mr.Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > I have a client whose DOB:4th May 1969 @ 23.40 hrs IST in 79 E 04 :> > > 12 N 13 (Tz 5.30).> > > 1) He is pious , kind hearted and a liberal donor of good cause,.,> > > 2) He is post graduate and CFA,> > > 3) Most obedient to his parents and daily after his morning bath, it> > is his routine practice to get his mother's blessings by his> > sastanganamaskaram(his both the parents are alive),> > > 4)His mother is around 65 years of age suffering from> > Diabetics,Osteoporosis,Glaucoma.> > > 5)His wife is a PG,a girl of cheerful temperament,has high regards to> > her in-laws,> > > 6) He has two sons who are very calm and intelligent,> > > 7) He often complains of chest pain and back pain due to Lumbar> > spodylitis,> > > 8) He owns Two costly Japanese make cars,> > > 9) No house of his own,> > > 10) Workaholic and daily commutes to his office which is at a long> > distance.> > > I hope the above birth data and the native's real life situations may> > help to draw some specific conclusions.> > > Regards / Dhananjayan> > > P.S:THE ABOVE DATA IS SUBSCRIBED AFTER OWNERS PERMISSION,HENCE THE> > DELAY.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --- On Fri, 14/8/09, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Sreenadh sreesog@> > > Saturn in 4th House> > > > > > Friday, 14 August, 2009, 10:35 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear All,> > > I have seen some controversial statements about "Saturn in 4th> > house" in this group. When not discuss the same in detail quoting the> > ancient astro classics and by verifying the same based on life example> > charts and experience?> > > * Saturn in 4th house generally give bad results - what results?> > > * Saturn in 4th is good for mother's longevity and happiness from> > mother for some signs - which signs and why Saturn should provide> > happiness from mother?> > > * Saturn in 4th house can be much beneficial providing Sasa Yoga for> > many houses - Which houses, and what are the results to be predicted?> > > * Saturn in 4th house can provide luxury vehicles to the native in> > some houses - Which houses and why?> > > * Saturn in 4th can indicate both the gain of traditional lineage> > and hereditary property and also the loss of the same - For which houses> > and what conditions need to be satisfied?> > > * Saturn in 4th can indicate untimely death of mother - what> > conditions need to be fulfilled for this to become true?> > > * Does Saturn in 4th make a native interested in politics? - if so> > why?> > > * Is it that Saturn in 4th will give bad results only, or will it> > give good results as well? If so what good results and why?> > > Thus, I invite you all to discuss this subject of Saturn in 4th> > house in detail?> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > New Email names for you!> > > Get the Email name you & #39;ve always wanted on the new @ymail and> > @rocketmail.> > > Hurry before someone else does!> > > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Dear Dhananjayan ji, I will come back to this Saturn in 4th house thread in another mail. Thanks for bringing back the discussion to this subject.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya wrote:>> Pranams,> > Dear Mr.Sreenadh ji,> > I have a client whose DOB:4th May 1969 @ 23.40 hrs IST in 79 E 04 : > 12 N 13 (Tz 5.30).> 1) He is pious , kind hearted and a liberal donor of good cause,.,> 2) He is post graduate and CFA,> 3) Most obedient to his parents and daily after his morning bath, it is his routine practice to get his mother's blessings by his sastanganamaskaram(his both the parents are alive),> 4)His mother is around 65 years of age suffering from Diabetics,Osteoporosis,Glaucoma.> 5)His wife is a PG,a girl of cheerful temperament,has high regards to her in-laws,> 6) He has two sons who are very calm and intelligent,> 7) He often complains of chest pain and back pain due to Lumbar spodylitis,> 8) He owns Two costly Japanese make cars,> 9) No house of his own,> 10) Workaholic and daily commutes to his office which is at a long distance.> I hope the above birth data and the native's real life situations may help to draw some specific conclusions.> Regards / Dhananjayan> P.S:THE ABOVE DATA IS SUBSCRIBED AFTER OWNERS PERMISSION,HENCE THE DELAY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji, That is very informative and systematic approach; I appreciate it. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Vijay Goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Respected Bhaskerji and other respected members,> > Thankyou for sharing your experience.> > //will produce detachment in the native....but very good for the latter> part of Life, when one wishes to enter the Sanyas ashram. //> > This statement is very true, irrespective of any 'Avastha' of saturn and> if other condition as you have mentioned is also fulfilled than it is> sure.> > This is also confirmed by great astrologer Shri H n Katwe. Due to this> tendency they become great donors, they donate lands to Trusts and> sometimes everything for the cause of humanity and may lead poor life> in old age.> > Few important inputs which should be kept in mind:> > 1)As per 'Mansagri' If saturn is in 'Direct motion' he is bad for> siblings and friends (Bandu Nashak) and sickly. If saturn is in 'Retro> Motion' , it destroyes wife, children even servants and leave his> village or motherland.> The important thing is that we must see that Retro saturn is worst and> it completetly destroys happiness of 4th house.> What i feel that the values of MOON is completely destroyed but the> values of Venus may florish if saturn is in good avastha.> Person becomes cold hearted and he hates (fears) poverty completely and> tries to overcome it with all efforts.> > 2)As per Bhrigu sutra :> if saturn is also Lagnesh than mother will have long age.> If saturn is 8th lord than mother will die early (also same for father).> > 3) Native can have two mothers or two wifes (one seperates early). (I> think we must look moon, venus, 4L,7L, etc also).> Seperation from father could be there or father could be sick. (8th from> 9th house and enemy to sun).> Overall sukh from parents is lost.> > Example of One famous cinema star Marylyn Monroe am producing :> Female :> June 1, 1926> Time: 9:30:00> Time Zone: 8:00:00 (West of GMT)> Place: 118 W 14' 34", 34 N 03' 08"> Los Angeles, California, USA> > "Exalted Retro Saturn in 4th house"> > Her Statement :> Femme fatale :> " I knew I belong to the public and to the world, not because i was> talented or even beautiful, but because i had never belonged to anything> or anyone else. Only the public can make a star. It's the studios who> try to make a system out of it"> > This is a very good chart to understand saturn in 4th house.> > Step parents, multiple marriage, huge publicity, No children, disease at> old age, everything , all masala of sani is present > > (In this kaliyog we are not looking for Sri Ram Horoscope atleast from> west)> > Link is :> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marylyn_Monroe> > The words from Shri Katwe fits well here, native is unhappy in his> childhood and in old age. Only in middle part of life he flourishes.> > Thankyou,> Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Thankyou Shreenadhji, It's all your blessing and inspiration of this group. Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > That is very informative and systematic approach; I appreciate it. > [] > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " Vijay Goel " > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > Respected Bhaskerji and other respected members, > > > > Thankyou for sharing your experience. > > > > //will produce detachment in the native....but very good for the > latter > > part of Life, when one wishes to enter the Sanyas ashram. // > > > > This statement is very true, irrespective of any 'Avastha' of saturn > and > > if other condition as you have mentioned is also fulfilled than it is > > sure. > > > > This is also confirmed by great astrologer Shri H n Katwe. Due to this > > tendency they become great donors, they donate lands to Trusts and > > sometimes everything for the cause of humanity and may lead poor life > > in old age. > > > > Few important inputs which should be kept in mind: > > > > 1)As per 'Mansagri' If saturn is in 'Direct motion' he is bad for > > siblings and friends (Bandu Nashak) and sickly. If saturn is in 'Retro > > Motion' , it destroyes wife, children even servants and leave his > > village or motherland. > > The important thing is that we must see that Retro saturn is worst and > > it completetly destroys happiness of 4th house. > > What i feel that the values of MOON is completely destroyed but the > > values of Venus may florish if saturn is in good avastha. > > Person becomes cold hearted and he hates (fears) poverty completely > and > > tries to overcome it with all efforts. > > > > 2)As per Bhrigu sutra : > > if saturn is also Lagnesh than mother will have long age. > > If saturn is 8th lord than mother will die early (also same for > father). > > > > 3) Native can have two mothers or two wifes (one seperates early). (I > > think we must look moon, venus, 4L,7L, etc also). > > Seperation from father could be there or father could be sick. (8th > from > > 9th house and enemy to sun). > > Overall sukh from parents is lost. > > > > Example of One famous cinema star Marylyn Monroe am producing : > > Female : > > June 1, 1926 > > Time: 9:30:00 > > Time Zone: 8:00:00 (West of GMT) > > Place: 118 W 14' 34 " , 34 N 03' 08 " > > Los Angeles, California, USA > > > > " Exalted Retro Saturn in 4th house " > > > > Her Statement : > > Femme fatale : > > " I knew I belong to the public and to the world, not because i was > > talented or even beautiful, but because i had never belonged to > anything > > or anyone else. Only the public can make a star. It's the studios who > > try to make a system out of it " > > > > This is a very good chart to understand saturn in 4th house. > > > > Step parents, multiple marriage, huge publicity, No children, disease > at > > old age, everything , all masala of sani is present > > > > (In this kaliyog we are not looking for Sri Ram Horoscope atleast from > > west) > > > > Link is : > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marylyn_Monroe > > > > The words from Shri Katwe fits well here, native is unhappy in his > > childhood and in old age. Only in middle part of life he flourishes. > > > > Thankyou, > > Best Wishes, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Dear Sharma ji, If You feel that you have learnt the rules of KN Rao ji for marriage, right, then I invite you to a Group which is especially meant for persons like you. We are having regular quizzes there, and you may participate in the latest one, which too is been initiated by a common member of this Group itself, Shri MS Bohraji. The Group is / We would certainly like to see the success of the rules you have learnt with regards to marriage timings. There will be no ambuigity or theoritical lessons to impress here in the aforesaid group, but actual results will show how much one has learnt. best wishes and regards, Bhaskar. , "mrsorabhsharma" <mrsorabhsharma wrote:>> Dearest Sreenadh Ji> > lol u r absolutely right in what u say and i will try and be slower in my approaches. Actually, Without your knowledge i have always considered you to be a teacher of mine - i LOVE the way you approach astrology because i think its the approach of research that makes a fine astrologer. I have recently been searching a lot into marriage and timing and find that K N Rao's methods work quite effectively. Buf If an experienced astrologer such as yourself could please look at my original message 'marriage timing and foreign indications' i would greatly appreciate it so i can see for myself whether i am on the right track and my way of analysis is correct or not. Thank you.> > with love and warm regards> sorabh > > > > > , "Sreenadh" sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sorabha Sharma ji,> > //note in the chart that from the moon saturn is the 4th lord in the> > 12th -> > if u look at the nakshatras u will see more connections -and pls see> > vargas for> > further questions//> > Please try to go one step at a time and one mouthful at a time; it is> > not good or possible to take the whole meal in in one go. [] That> > will rip the mouth and if became successful in reaching the stomach will> > create indigestion. [] Careful baby stepping is always better.> > I have heard a story -> > To someone learning to fight in preliminary months it was asked> > howmany people you can fight? He answered even if 100 people come> > together I can fight them.> > Then again after 1 or two years of practice the teacher repeated the> > question, howmany people you can fight? He answered may be 10.> > The training continued, and when he became mature and near skillful as> > the teacher, the teacher again asked, howmany people you can fight? The> > student humbly answered - may be one, and luck should favor me as well> > to win. []> > The story is applicable in all kinds of learning - even in astrology.> > []> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "mrsorabhsharma"> > <mrsorabhsharma@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil Ji and Bhaskar Ji> > >> > > I did not mean any offence – if you took it that way i apologise> > – sometimes my emails I know can sound a little aggressive or maybe> > a little direct – but its only because i like to get to the point> > not because i have any type of personal vendetta. The main point i> > wanted to make in the email was not directed at Bhaskar Ji who i know is> > a senior astrologer and who has my respect, but to all the novice> > astrologers out there who make dangerous predictions based on the> > position of one or two planets. As you know – a lot of people do> > come to astrologers in need of advice during difficult periods and if in> > those times some of these so called astrologers give a negative> > prediction based on the placement of one or two planets it can be very> > disheartening for the individual concerned.> > >> > > However, You must must note sunil ji that no one is a perfect> > astrologer – even K N Rao who i consider the best astrologer in this> > present time admits he is only right 80% of the time. One must be able> > to accept constructive criticism whether it is by a senior member or a> > more junior/beginner level jyotish who has a valid point. If one sticks> > to one's own principles without an open mind which accepts and adapts to> > new ideas then such a person can never become a complete astrologer -> > and this is a research forum after all.> > >> > > ps - note in the chart that from the moon saturn is the 4th lord in> > the 12th - if u look at the nakshatras u will see more connections -and> > pls see vargas for further questions - this is exactly why i mentioend> > it is very dangerous to look at charts with a snapshots !> > >> > > Aum Tat Sat> > > Sorabh Sharma> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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