Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Dear chandu ji Thanks for ur mail we can forget abt d-60 for time being and its ruling deities as diffrnt SW ( even frm same makers ) giving diffrnt amsa rulers and dieties ur observation abt jup venus and 3/11 position is very interesting so i request every one in grp to discuss such charts frm their possession and Known charts i dig up some charts But Birth time is not sure ,may b some r correct ,i omitted all polititians max as many can incite controversy only but included some which is curious Being celebrity charts the Birth time need not b correct prince charles -The heir to british throne -Nov 14th 1948 at 21.15 hrs London has jup venus in mutual kendra s ( venus also debilated ) Queen Elizabeth -11 ( The longest reigning Monarch of british Kingdom -April 21 ,1926 at 2 am London has venus and jup 2/12 and jup is debilated Balasaheb Thackeray -the Centre of gravity of maharashtra politics -jan 23rd 1927 at 7 am hrs pune -same day and month of netaji Born i heard -has jup and venus in mutual kendra s The fallen star of south indian politics Kum -jayalalita 24th feb 1948 at 15 hrs Mysore has jup and venus in mutual kendra s Sharad pawar -The aspirant for PM power --dec 12 th 1940 at 5.30 am Baramati jup and venus aspecting each other Sonia gandhi (The lady at 10 janapath ) a typical case of kangal yoga - june 6th 1931 at 21 30 hrs Milan italy -,jup and venus together Raja Matha vijayaraje scindia oct 12th 1919 at 23 hrs Gwalior -jup and venus 2 /12 arvind Mafatlal -april 4th 1918 at 1.45 hrs Ahmedabad jup ,venus in metual kendra s Capt Krishnan nair of Leela grp of Hotels 9th feb 1922 at 17 .20 hrs at cannannore jup and venus in mutual Kona Kumaramangalam Birla ( birla empire ) 14th June 1967 at 8.45 hrs calcutta ,jup venus in lagna LaLa charath ram ( DCM grp ) 1st jan 1918 at 23 .30 hrs Delhi ,venus jup in mutual kona Rai Bahadur Mohan singh Oberoi ( oberoi grp of hotels ) -15th aug 1900 at 00 hrs Lahora pak jup venus 6/8 Nusli wadia ( Bomay dying ) 15th feb 1944 at 13 .30 hrs Bomay -jup venus 6/8 R P Goenka (was a leading indian business man ) march 1st 1930 at 8.45 hrs calcutta jup venus in kendra each other Rahul Bajaj ( hamara Bajaj ) 10th June 1938 at 5 .10 hrs calcutta Jup venus in mutual Kona Ratan Tata ( the real Tata breed frm tata stable ) 28th dec 1937 at 6.30 hrs Bomaby Jup and venus 2/12 Shah rukh khan ( king Khan ) -nov 2 1965 at 02 .30 hrs delhi Jup venus asepcting each other Imran Khan 25th Nov 1952 at 6 .45 hrs Lahore Jup venus in trikona s sachin tendulkar( Master blaster ) 21 -april -1973 at 1800 hrs at bombay Jup and venus in kendra s sure i find some charts Like saddam hussien has venus and jup in 3/11 axis now it is for grp to ponder over it rgrds sunil nair , "Chandu2chill" <nanna_id2006 wrote:>> Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Neelam Ji, and Ash Ji,> > As Ash Ji mentioned it is a special and rare Chart to study and find out Astrological reasoning behind the Actual happenings in the native's life. Any beginer/novice like me find it very ordinary or even predict bad combination for all martial happiness let alone wealth creation..> > Certainly it is special and challenging Chart for even> seasoned/experienced Astro professionals as well.> > Well, having said that, i did little extra study on this chart long before and was looking for some astro pointers for his success and his life's journey in my initial study. Well, Sunil Ji, Neelam ji, and others have given their valuale inputs, I would like to share some of my findings..> > 1) When the chart as per my understanding when applying the standared dictums and even looking at SAV/BAV points and studying D1 and D9 nothing was matching, his success and astro teachings/pointers were all exactly reverse as Ash ji mentioned in his mail. Then one fine day i found some very useful information on SJC website link i.e. Shri Visti Larsen's Audio lecturer on "Shashti Amsa" D-60 and *Amsa Rulers/Dieties* and their significations in this present life of the native and how to study (i have 2 Audio files with me) and relate them. Thanks to Shri Larsen, he has explained beautifully then immedialty i checked with Dhirubai's chart with JHora 7.2 I saw his Lagna and LL Jupiter's both amsa rulers/dieties are *Kubera* (Caution Note: present JHora 7.32 does not show his Lagna Amsa ruler as Kubera instead is shows as Deva now.. I do not know what is the reason may be some programming bug/calculation mistake)> > And you see ALL his Lagnas are same!!> > 2) Second point is Rahu. Rahu in 3H in own Nakshatra and despositor Saturn though in 2/12 postion but aspected by LL Jupiter from 10H A ruthless self efforts (3H) coupled with strong intention to Make Money and make use of Mass/Public's Money and thereby creating his own wealth(2L Saturn in 2H) had lead him to take any amount of Risks Now tell me who(Public) has not made Money by investing in his Company? even Auto Drivers, Paan Shop-keepers especially in Gujarat Made huge Money and profited. Even i and my father made Money...> > 3) Now the Astrological Secrete of his success, sustainance and grwoth of his wealth you see just after Rahu Dasa ended his Jupiter MD started in my humble opinion this Rahu Dasa and subsequent begining LL dasa helped him in timely manner... BUT this is not the Secrete.. The Secret is...............> > Jupiter and Venus. Two great benafics are in 3/11 axis. This is the REAL Position of Rags to Riches persons PLEASE TEST IT VERIFY IT with all your known chart(s) and persons degree of Richness may veri before shooting me any questions on this please...> > If Jupiter and Venus are placed in 3/11 in D1 or in D9 or in BOTH D1 and D9 This is a sure shot postion for up-liftment of the person That person is BOUND to get and amass wealth.> > Now Check the Dhirubhai Ambani's chart in his chart Jup and Venus are in 3/11 axis in both Rasi and Navamsa!!!!> > My 2 cents...hope this helps...> > Regards> > Chandu2Chill> > P S: for immediate verification of this secrete i.e. Jup and Venus in 3/11 position please check the chart of another great man Mr. Amitaab Bachhan..> > > > > > > > > > , "sunil nair" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > Dear Ash ji> > Thanks for raising many questions abt this chart> > Due to time constraints i dont hav much time to go tru this chart ,other wise u know i will not stay back> > As triple lagna ( let us blv the BT and data is correct for time being) will increase any small raja yoga s many fold ( sure we dont hav any tool to measure the magnitude of success right now ) as neelam ji also pointed out.> > 19 ( jhora ) or 20 points in SAV is generaly shows may b strt working or earning frm that age shown in lagnashta varga as shri late patel ji also pointed out as givn in Deva kerala> > also frm mars ( it is with nodes -so weak ) period onwrds we can see a sort of anukul dasa s were running , rahu has a sort of raja yoga> karakatwa in his chart ( since it can giv sani s effects and mars effect too who is 5th L and Moola trikon stan is mesha rasi ) and sat was also maraka for him> > may b other s ( frm diffrnt streams and back ground with their favrite> sampradaya ) can go for it and explain it more effectivly> > if more events are known we wud hav argue more effectivly> > even has Gaja kesari yoga frm Moon and lagna also so many other yoga s> ,sun and moon also has many yoga s ,also lagna lord in 10th House .2> benefic in 12th house is not a Laibility as it is a place of our> investmnts ( except jup i blv in male charts ) and how we will invest> our savings or how we will spend it ,so it will giv many fold effects> in income frm wise investmnts .( malefic may giv wrong discission in> investmnts ) ,also benefics generaly supports the house behind and ahed it too (think abt theory of papa karthari yoga and Logic )> > But if this is chart ,and without any info abt the nativ 's i dont think very many astrologers will b ever successful in spelling results> correctly we also never know also any of his family astrologer has ever givn them any hint of his such rise in his chart b4 hand> > thanks and rgrds sunil nair> > if i get more quality time i will revisit chart again .> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Shri Ash Ji, Thank you so much for your feedback and other valuable Database to ponder upon:-) and dig deep surely it will help for a student like me.. i agree with you on your explainations on D-60 and Dieties even i never heard about it when started learning and exploring Astrology But with my serious intention to probe further and luckily i found some useful info as i mentioned earlier. Well, long before when my Village Astrologer used to predict/guide the seekers i remember he was using his old Panchangas and referring ONLY RASI and NAVAMSA charts he did try to explain me then BUT i was not at all interested at that time... But trust me when i started studying seriously i only foucused on D1 and D9 Still continue the same..and found it to be useful.. I am dead against for these so called celebreties and their charts some gullible Astologers using them (celebrity Charts) and explaining (all Postmortem)beutifully with fancy Astro lingos Yogas etc etc and making public fool.... BUT in my personal view i don't just call/consider Dhrirubai Ambani and for that matter Amitaab Bacchan as mere celebrities..for me THEY are Sheer Hard Workers and Go-getters i observed their life events (rise/fall contraversies srrounding them etc) right from my childhood thanks to my Rahu MD and my Dad i came to know about Dhirubai long before when i was just 15-16 yrs old...But then i was not at all aware of Astrology (as much as i have now) and never looked from Astrological point of view...So they are special to me and for my Astrology study..:-) I agree with you that you provided host of other celebrities/Businessmen Data for further study where Jupiter and Venus are NOT in 3/11 axis yet they are OR we can call them succesful high achievers wealthy etc.... BUT i can only request you and all who are interested in this thread kindly Stick to this Jup and Ven in 3/11 axis and see the charts and native's life vis-a-vis. Forget about the Amabani and Amitaab's Charts let us look at our near and dear ones and whom we now personlly and tally their actual and practical events and life happenings... if anybody has this postions I am quoting this position again and i missed one point in my earlier message... ***If Jupiter and Venus are in 3/11 in either D1 or in D9 or in Both the person is Bound to get up-liftment in his/her life. If either of them (Jup or Venus) happens to be Lagna Lord then it is sure shot result and sign of Rags to Riches. Now that doesn't mean it will not work for the other Lagnas But the quantum/degree of wealth creation may varies But surely there will be a progress in native's life*** Note: I do not have any classics reference to back this up As this was taught by one of the learned Astrologer to me and asked me to observe this in as many charts as possible. if anyone in the group has any ancient text's reference please do share... Dear Shri Ash Ji, I was reading your response to my post thank you for the same.. But to me you are not sounding usual and i see some sarcastic comments.. as well. I am surprised and was not expected this from a cheerful Teacher like you honestly.... Sir, as far as me is concerned i have NOT touched or gave any full-proof method of or in Astrology.. I shared What i learnt and what have been taught to me by many learned persons read as Gurujis... Between Sir, in my humble opinion you (KAS) can better explain this above positions of Jup and Venus in 3/11 axis as these are the Upachaya Houses and and KAS deals and perhaps the principle of KAS are based on Upachaya Houses.. Please correct me if i am wrong Regards Chandu2Chill , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Dear chandu ji Thanks for ur mail we can forget abt d-60 for time being and its ruling deities as diffrnt SW ( even frm same makers ) giving diffrnt amsa rulers and dieties ur observation abt jup venus and 3/11 position is very interesting so i request every one in grp to discuss such charts frm their possession and Known charts i dig up some charts But Birth time is not sure ,may b some r correct ,i omitted all polititians max as many can incite controversy only but included some which is curious Being celebrity charts the Birth time need not b correct prince charles -The heir to british throne -Nov 14th 1948 at 21.15 hrs London has jup venus in mutual kendra s ( venus also debilated ) Queen Elizabeth -11 ( The longest reigning Monarch of british Kingdom -April 21 ,1926 at 2 am London has venus and jup 2/12 and jup is debilated Balasaheb Thackeray -the Centre of gravity of maharashtra politics -jan 23rd 1927 at 7 am hrs pune -same day and month of netaji Born i heard-has jup and venus in mutual kendra s The fallen star of south indian politics Kum -jayalalita 24th feb 1948 at 15 hrs Mysore has jup and venus in mutual kendra s Sharad pawar -The aspirant for PM power --dec 12 th 1940 at 5.30 am Baramati jup and venus aspecting each other Sonia gandhi (The lady at 10 janapath ) a typical case of kangal yoga - june 6th 1931 at 21 30 hrs Milan italy -,jup and venus together Raja Matha vijayaraje scindia oct 12th 1919 at 23 hrs Gwalior -jup and venus 2 /12 arvind Mafatlal -april 4th 1918 at 1.45 hrs Ahmedabad jup ,venus in metual kendra s Capt Krishnan nair of Leela grp of Hotels 9th feb 1922 at 17 .20 hrs at cannannore jup and venus in mutual Kona Kumaramangalam Birla ( birla empire ) 14th June 1967 at 8.45 hrs calcutta ,jup venus in lagna LaLa charath ram ( DCM grp ) 1st jan 1918 at 23 .30 hrs Delhi ,venus jup in mutual kona Rai Bahadur Mohan singh Oberoi ( oberoi grp of hotels ) -15th aug 1900 at 00 hrs Lahora pak jup venus 6/8 Nusli wadia ( Bomay dying ) 15th feb 1944 at 13 .30 hrs Bomay -jup venus 6/8 R P Goenka (was a leading indian business man ) march 1st 1930 at 8.45 hrs calcutta jup venus in kendra each other Rahul Bajaj ( hamara Bajaj ) 10th June 1938 at 5 .10 hrs calcutta Jup venus in mutual Kona Ratan Tata ( the real Tata breed frm tata stable ) 28th dec 1937 at 6.30 hrs Bomaby Jup and venus 2/12 Shah rukh khan ( king Khan ) -nov 2 1965 at 02 .30 hrs delhi Jup venus asepcting each other Imran Khan 25th Nov 1952 at 6 .45 hrs Lahore Jup venus in trikona s sachin tendulkar( Master blaster ) 21 -april -1973 at 1800 hrs at bombay Jup and venus in kendra s sure i find some charts Like saddam hussien has venus and jup in 3/11 axis now it is for grp to ponder over it rgrds sunil nair > , " Chandu2chill " > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Neelam Ji, and Ash Ji, > > > > As Ash Ji mentioned it is a special and rare Chart to study and find > out Astrological reasoning behind the Actual happenings in the native's > life. Any beginer/novice like me find it very ordinary or even predict > bad combination for all martial happiness let alone wealth creation.. > > > > Certainly it is special and challenging Chart for even > > seasoned/experienced Astro professionals as well. > > > > Well, having said that, i did little extra study on this chart long > before and was looking for some astro pointers for his success and his > life's journey in my initial study. Well, Sunil Ji, Neelam ji, and > others have given their valuale inputs, I would like to share some of my > findings.. > > > > 1) When the chart as per my understanding when applying the standared > dictums and even looking at SAV/BAV points and studying D1 and D9 > nothing was matching, his success and astro teachings/pointers were all > exactly reverse as Ash ji mentioned in his mail. Then one fine day i > found some very useful information on SJC website link i.e. Shri Visti > Larsen's Audio lecturer on " Shashti Amsa " D-60 and *Amsa Rulers/Dieties* > and their significations in this present life of the native and how to > study (i have 2 Audio files with me) and relate them. Thanks to Shri > Larsen, he has explained beautifully then immedialty i checked with > Dhirubai's chart with JHora 7.2 I saw his Lagna and LL Jupiter's both > amsa rulers/dieties are *Kubera* (Caution Note: present JHora 7.32 does > not show his Lagna Amsa ruler as Kubera instead is shows as Deva now.. I > do not know what is the reason may be some programming bug/calculation > mistake) > > > > And you see ALL his Lagnas are same!! > > > > 2) Second point is Rahu. Rahu in 3H in own Nakshatra and despositor > Saturn though in 2/12 postion but aspected by LL Jupiter from 10H A > ruthless self efforts (3H) coupled with strong intention to Make Money > and make use of Mass/Public's Money and thereby creating his own > wealth(2L Saturn in 2H) had lead him to take any amount of Risks Now > tell me who(Public) has not made Money by investing in his Company? even > Auto Drivers, Paan Shop-keepers especially in Gujarat Made huge Money > and profited. Even i and my father made Money... > > > > 3) Now the Astrological Secrete of his success, sustainance and grwoth > of his wealth you see just after Rahu Dasa ended his Jupiter MD started > in my humble opinion this Rahu Dasa and subsequent begining LL dasa > helped him in timely manner... BUT this is not the Secrete.. The Secret > is............... > > > > Jupiter and Venus. Two great benafics are in 3/11 axis. This is the > REAL Position of Rags to Riches persons PLEASE TEST IT VERIFY IT with > all your known chart(s) and persons degree of Richness may veri before > shooting me any questions on this please... > > > > If Jupiter and Venus are placed in 3/11 in D1 or in D9 or in BOTH D1 > and D9 This is a sure shot postion for up-liftment of the person That > person is BOUND to get and amass wealth. > > > > Now Check the Dhirubhai Ambani's chart in his chart Jup and Venus are > in 3/11 axis in both Rasi and Navamsa!!!! > > > > My 2 cents...hope this helps... > > > > Regards > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > P S: for immediate verification of this secrete i.e. Jup and Venus in > 3/11 position please check the chart of another great man Mr. Amitaab > Bachhan.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ji > > > > Thanks for raising many questions abt this chart > > > > Due to time constraints i dont hav much time to go tru this chart > ,other wise u know i will not stay back > > > > As triple lagna ( let us blv the BT and data is correct for time > being) will increase any small raja yoga s many fold ( sure we dont hav > any tool to measure the magnitude of success right now ) as neelam ji > also pointed out. > > > > 19 ( jhora ) or 20 points in SAV is generaly shows may b strt working > or earning frm that age shown in lagnashta varga as shri late patel ji > also pointed out as givn in Deva kerala > > > > also frm mars ( it is with nodes -so weak ) period onwrds we can see > a sort of anukul dasa s were running , rahu has a sort of raja yoga > > karakatwa in his chart ( since it can giv sani s effects and mars > effect too who is 5th L and Moola trikon stan is mesha rasi ) and sat > was also maraka for him > > > > may b other s ( frm diffrnt streams and back ground with their favrite > > sampradaya ) can go for it and explain it more effectivly > > > > if more events are known we wud hav argue more effectivly > > > > even has Gaja kesari yoga frm Moon and lagna also so many other yoga s > > ,sun and moon also has many yoga s ,also lagna lord in 10th House .2 > > benefic in 12th house is not a Laibility as it is a place of our > > investmnts ( except jup i blv in male charts ) and how we will invest > > our savings or how we will spend it ,so it will giv many fold effects > > in income frm wise investmnts .( malefic may giv wrong discission in > > investmnts ) ,also benefics generaly supports the house behind and > ahed it too (think abt theory of papa karthari yoga and Logic ) > > > > But if this is chart ,and without any info abt the nativ 's i dont > think very many astrologers will b ever successful in spelling results > > correctly we also never know also any of his family astrologer has > ever givn them any hint of his such rise in his chart b4 hand > > > > thanks and rgrds sunil nair > > > > if i get more quality time i will revisit chart again . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Respected Sunil Nair ji, Thanks for initiating a new thread and giving charts Regards--- On Fri, 8/14/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Jup and Venus in 3/11 position Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 11:07 PM Dear chandu ji Thanks for ur mail we can forget abt d-60 for time being and its ruling deities as diffrnt SW ( even frm same makers ) giving diffrnt amsa rulers and dieties ur observation abt jup venus and 3/11 position is very interesting so i request every one in grp to discuss such charts frm their possession and Known charts i dig up some charts But Birth time is not sure ,may b some r correct ,i omitted all polititians max as many can incite controversy only but included some which is curious Being celebrity charts the Birth time need not b correct prince charles -The heir to british throne -Nov 14th 1948 at 21.15 hrs London has jup venus in mutual kendra s ( venus also debilated ) Queen Elizabeth -11 ( The longest reigning Monarch of british Kingdom -April 21 ,1926 at 2 am London has venus and jup 2/12 and jup is debilated Balasaheb Thackeray -the Centre of gravity of maharashtra politics -jan 23rd 1927 at 7 am hrs pune -same day and month of netaji Born i heard -has jup and venus in mutual kendra s The fallen star of south indian politics Kum -jayalalita 24th feb 1948 at 15 hrs Mysore has jup and venus in mutual kendra s Sharad pawar -The aspirant for PM power --dec 12 th 1940 at 5.30 am Baramati jup and venus aspecting each other Sonia gandhi (The lady at 10 janapath ) a typical case of kangal yoga - june 6th 1931 at 21 30 hrs Milan italy -,jup and venus together Raja Matha vijayaraje scindia oct 12th 1919 at 23 hrs Gwalior -jup and venus 2 /12 arvind Mafatlal -april 4th 1918 at 1.45 hrs Ahmedabad jup ,venus in metual kendra s Capt Krishnan nair of Leela grp of Hotels 9th feb 1922 at 17 .20 hrs at cannannore jup and venus in mutual Kona Kumaramangalam Birla ( birla empire ) 14th June 1967 at 8.45 hrs calcutta ,jup venus in lagna LaLa charath ram ( DCM grp ) 1st jan 1918 at 23 .30 hrs Delhi ,venus jup in mutual kona Rai Bahadur Mohan singh Oberoi ( oberoi grp of hotels ) -15th aug 1900 at 00 hrs Lahora pak jup venus 6/8 Nusli wadia ( Bomay dying ) 15th feb 1944 at 13 .30 hrs Bomay -jup venus 6/8 R P Goenka (was a leading indian business man ) march 1st 1930 at 8.45 hrs calcutta jup venus in kendra each other Rahul Bajaj ( hamara Bajaj ) 10th June 1938 at 5 .10 hrs calcutta Jup venus in mutual Kona Ratan Tata ( the real Tata breed frm tata stable ) 28th dec 1937 at 6.30 hrs Bomaby Jup and venus 2/12 Shah rukh khan ( king Khan ) -nov 2 1965 at 02 .30 hrs delhi Jup venus asepcting each other Imran Khan 25th Nov 1952 at 6 .45 hrs Lahore Jup venus in trikona s sachin tendulkar( Master blaster ) 21 -april -1973 at 1800 hrs at bombay Jup and venus in kendra s sure i find some charts Like saddam hussien has venus and jup in 3/11 axis now it is for grp to ponder over it rgrds sunil nair , "Chandu2chill" <nanna_id2006 wrote:>> Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Neelam Ji, and Ash Ji,> > As Ash Ji mentioned it is a special and rare Chart to study and find out Astrological reasoning behind the Actual happenings in the native's life. Any beginer/novice like me find it very ordinary or even predict bad combination for all martial happiness let alone wealth creation..> > Certainly it is special and challenging Chart for even> seasoned/experienced Astro professionals as well.> > Well, having said that, i did little extra study on this chart long before and was looking for some astro pointers for his success and his life's journey in my initial study. Well, Sunil Ji, Neelam ji, and others have given their valuale inputs, I would like to share some of my findings..> > 1) When the chart as per my understanding when applying the standared dictums and even looking at SAV/BAV points and studying D1 and D9 nothing was matching, his success and astro teachings/pointers were all exactly reverse as Ash ji mentioned in his mail. Then one fine day i found some very useful information on SJC website link i.e. Shri Visti Larsen's Audio lecturer on "Shashti Amsa" D-60 and *Amsa Rulers/Dieties* and their significations in this present life of the native and how to study (i have 2 Audio files with me) and relate them. Thanks to Shri Larsen, he has explained beautifully then immedialty i checked with Dhirubai's chart with JHora 7.2 I saw his Lagna and LL Jupiter's both amsa rulers/dieties are *Kubera* (Caution Note: present JHora 7.32 does not show his Lagna Amsa ruler as Kubera instead is shows as Deva now.. I do not know what is the reason may be some programming bug/calculation mistake)> > And you see ALL his Lagnas are same!!> > 2) Second point is Rahu. Rahu in 3H in own Nakshatra and despositor Saturn though in 2/12 postion but aspected by LL Jupiter from 10H A ruthless self efforts (3H) coupled with strong intention to Make Money and make use of Mass/Public's Money and thereby creating his own wealth(2L Saturn in 2H) had lead him to take any amount of Risks Now tell me who(Public) has not made Money by investing in his Company? even Auto Drivers, Paan Shop-keepers especially in Gujarat Made huge Money and profited. Even i and my father made Money...> > 3) Now the Astrological Secrete of his success, sustainance and grwoth of his wealth you see just after Rahu Dasa ended his Jupiter MD started in my humble opinion this Rahu Dasa and subsequent begining LL dasa helped him in timely manner... BUT this is not the Secrete.. The Secret is...............> > Jupiter and Venus. Two great benafics are in 3/11 axis. This is the REAL Position of Rags to Riches persons PLEASE TEST IT VERIFY IT with all your known chart(s) and persons degree of Richness may veri before shooting me any questions on this please...> > If Jupiter and Venus are placed in 3/11 in D1 or in D9 or in BOTH D1 and D9 This is a sure shot postion for up-liftment of the person That person is BOUND to get and amass wealth.> > Now Check the Dhirubhai Ambani's chart in his chart Jup and Venus are in 3/11 axis in both Rasi and Navamsa!!!!> > My 2 cents...hope this helps...> > Regards> > Chandu2Chill> > P S: for immediate verification of this secrete i.e. Jup and Venus in 3/11 position please check the chart of another great man Mr. Amitaab Bachhan..> > > > > > > > > > , "sunil nair" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > Dear Ash ji> > Thanks for raising many questions abt this chart> > Due to time constraints i dont hav much time to go tru this chart ,other wise u know i will not stay back> > As triple lagna ( let us blv the BT and data is correct for time being) will increase any small raja yoga s many fold ( sure we dont hav any tool to measure the magnitude of success right now ) as neelam ji also pointed out.> > 19 ( jhora ) or 20 points in SAV is generaly shows may b strt working or earning frm that age shown in lagnashta varga as shri late patel ji also pointed out as givn in Deva kerala> > also frm mars ( it is with nodes -so weak ) period onwrds we can see a sort of anukul dasa s were running , rahu has a sort of raja yoga> karakatwa in his chart ( since it can giv sani s effects and mars effect too who is 5th L and Moola trikon stan is mesha rasi ) and sat was also maraka for him> > may b other s ( frm diffrnt streams and back ground with their favrite> sampradaya ) can go for it and explain it more effectivly> > if more events are known we wud hav argue more effectivly> > even has Gaja kesari yoga frm Moon and lagna also so many other yoga s> ,sun and moon also has many yoga s ,also lagna lord in 10th House .2> benefic in 12th house is not a Laibility as it is a place of our> investmnts ( except jup i blv in male charts ) and how we will invest> our savings or how we will spend it ,so it will giv many fold effects> in income frm wise investmnts .( malefic may giv wrong discission in> investmnts ) ,also benefics generaly supports the house behind and ahed it too (think abt theory of papa karthari yoga and Logic )> > But if this is chart ,and without any info abt the nativ 's i dont think very many astrologers will b ever successful in spelling results> correctly we also never know also any of his family astrologer has ever givn them any hint of his such rise in his chart b4 hand> > thanks and rgrds sunil nair> > if i get more quality time i will revisit chart again .> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Dear chandu Ji Thanks for ur post I was not giving any purticular opinion nor i was enforcing any ideas in the name of astrology By saying let us forget D-60 The reason was in india each lagna On an average rises in 2 hrs each ,so 2x 60 minits givs 120 Minits .so d-60 means every 2 minits Lagna may change and so is planets evn .if u go to more higher varga s the diffrnce is again more and u can visualise it .also i took ur statemnt in terms of logic ,i never asked even dictums of jup ,venus in 3/11 what i was asking every one to see in normal charts and see the rise happened esp Nativ with 50 or abov age .Other wise in celebrity charts we can endorese or establish any dictums as there is so many in india and aborad in various fields .Bill gates ,Saddam huessien ,maharshi Mahesh yogi ,sai baba of putta parthi and Harshad Mehta of Indian share market were few exmples which qualifies the dictum u r mentioning .But we shud exercise caution here as so many other planets also may b influeing the above said planets and we hav to see how it makes or breaks a person .But same time majority dont qualify also so when we see a Baby chart can we spell this out -that is this a chart of Billinaire only on this basis --that was my question as we are discussing and trying to fine tune our skills same time accepting and respecting each other .Hope i am clear here Even that is why I am asking grp to come with supporting or contradicting charts with each every deviations of discussion s in grp but many is worried abt near and dear one s only and never bother to collect charts of even neighbors or even frnds other wise we would hav 100s of charts required for each discussions for every treads or sub treads .sure we r not adamant and wants only working results with every combo or yoga we r discussing or its exceptions and other riders for such yoga s .Did u hear about athi manusha Yoga ?? ( jup and venus is constutiuent of that yoga ) rgrds sunil nair , "Chandu2chill" <nanna_id2006 wrote:>> Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Shri Ash Ji,> > Thank you so much for your feedback and other valuable Database to ponder upon:-) and dig deep surely it will help for a student like me..> > i agree with you on your explainations on D-60 and Dieties even i never heard about it when started learning and exploring Astrology > But with my serious intention to probe further and luckily i found some useful info as i mentioned earlier.> > Well, long before when my Village Astrologer used to predict/guide the seekers i remember he was using his old Panchangas and referring ONLY RASI and NAVAMSA charts he did try to explain me then BUT i was not at all interested at that time... But trust me when i started studying seriously i only foucused on D1 and D9 Still continue the same..and found it to be useful.. > > I am dead against for these so called celebreties and their charts some gullible Astologers using them (celebrity Charts) and explaining (all Postmortem)beutifully with fancy Astro lingos Yogas etc etc and making public fool....> > BUT in my personal view i don't just call/consider Dhrirubai Ambani and for that matter Amitaab Bacchan as mere celebrities..for me THEY are Sheer Hard Workers and Go-getters i observed their life events (rise/fall contraversies srrounding them etc) right from my childhood thanks to my Rahu MD and my Dad i came to know about Dhirubai long before when i was just 15-16 yrs old...But then i was not at all aware of Astrology (as much as i have now) and never looked from Astrological point of view...So they are special to me and for my Astrology study..:-)> > I agree with you that you provided host of other > celebrities/Businessmen Data for further study where Jupiter and Venus are NOT in 3/11 axis yet they are OR we can call them succesful high achievers wealthy etc.... > > BUT i can only request you and all who are interested in this thread kindly Stick to this Jup and Ven in 3/11 axis and see the charts and native's life vis-a-vis. Forget about the Amabani and Amitaab's Charts let us look at our near and dear ones and whom we now personlly and tally their actual and practical events and life happenings... if anybody has this postions > > I am quoting this position again and i missed one point in my earlier message...> > ***If Jupiter and Venus are in 3/11 in either D1 or in D9 or in Both the person is Bound to get up-liftment in his/her life. If either of them (Jup or Venus) happens to be Lagna Lord then it is sure shot result and sign of Rags to Riches. Now that doesn't mean it will not work for the other Lagnas But the quantum/degree of wealth creation may varies But surely there will be a progress in native's life*** > > Note: I do not have any classics reference to back this up As this was taught by one of the learned Astrologer to me and asked me to observe this in as many charts as possible. if anyone in the group has any ancient text's reference please do share...> > Dear Shri Ash Ji,> > I was reading your response to my post thank you for the same.. But to me you are not sounding usual and i see some sarcastic comments.. as well. I am surprised and was not expected this from a cheerful Teacher like you honestly....> > Sir, as far as me is concerned i have NOT touched or gave any full-proof method of or in Astrology.. I shared What i learnt and what have been taught to me by many learned persons read as Gurujis... > > Between > > Sir, in my humble opinion you (KAS) can better explain this above positions of Jup and Venus in 3/11 axis as these are the Upachaya Houses and and KAS deals and perhaps the principle of KAS are based on Upachaya Houses..> > Please correct me if i am wrong> > Regards> > Chandu2Chill> > > > > > , "sunil nair" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > Dear chandu ji> > Thanks for ur mail> > we can forget abt d-60 for time being and its ruling deities as diffrnt SW ( even frm same makers ) giving diffrnt amsa rulers and dieties ur observation abt jup venus and 3/11 position is very interesting> > so i request every one in grp to discuss such charts frm their> possession and Known charts> > i dig up some charts But Birth time is not sure ,may b some r correct ,i omitted all polititians max as many can incite controversy only but included some which is curious> > Being celebrity charts the Birth time need not b correct> > prince charles -The heir to british throne -Nov 14th 1948 at 21.15 hrs> London has jup venus in mutual kendra s ( venus also debilated )> Queen Elizabeth -11 ( The longest reigning Monarch of british Kingdom> -April 21 ,1926 at 2 am London has venus and jup 2/12 and jup is> debilated> > Balasaheb Thackeray -the Centre of gravity of maharashtra politics -jan 23rd 1927 at 7 am hrs pune -same day and month of netaji Born i heard-has jup and venus in mutual kendra s> The fallen star of south indian politics Kum -jayalalita 24th feb 1948> at 15 hrs Mysore> > has jup and venus in mutual kendra s> > Sharad pawar -The aspirant for PM power --dec 12 th 1940 at 5.30 am> Baramati jup and venus aspecting each other> > Sonia gandhi (The lady at 10 janapath ) a typical case of kangal yoga - june 6th 1931 at 21 30 hrs Milan italy -,jup and venus together> > Raja Matha vijayaraje scindia oct 12th 1919 at 23 hrs Gwalior -jup and venus 2 /12> > arvind Mafatlal -april 4th 1918 at 1.45 hrs Ahmedabad jup ,venus in> metual kendra s> > Capt Krishnan nair of Leela grp of Hotels 9th feb 1922 at 17 .20 hrs at cannannore jup and venus in mutual Kona> > Kumaramangalam Birla ( birla empire ) 14th June 1967 at 8.45 hrs> calcutta ,jup venus in lagna> > LaLa charath ram ( DCM grp ) 1st jan 1918 at 23 .30 hrs Delhi ,venus jup in mutual kona> > Rai Bahadur Mohan singh Oberoi ( oberoi grp of hotels ) -15th aug 1900> at 00 hrs Lahora pak> > jup venus 6/8> > Nusli wadia ( Bomay dying ) 15th feb 1944 at 13 .30 hrs Bomay -jup venus 6/8> > R P Goenka (was a leading indian business man ) march 1st 1930 at 8.45> hrs calcutta> > jup venus in kendra each other> > Rahul Bajaj ( hamara Bajaj ) 10th June 1938 at 5 .10 hrs calcutta> Jup venus in mutual Kona Ratan Tata ( the real Tata breed frm tata stable ) 28th dec 1937 at 6.30 hrs Bomaby Jup and venus 2/12> > Shah rukh khan ( king Khan ) -nov 2 1965 at 02 .30 hrs delhi Jup venus asepcting each other> > Imran Khan 25th Nov 1952 at 6 .45 hrs Lahore Jup venus in trikona s> > sachin tendulkar( Master blaster ) 21 -april -1973 at 1800 hrs at> bombay Jup and venus in kendra s> > sure i find some charts Like saddam hussien has venus and jup in 3/11> axis now it is for grp to ponder over it> > rgrds sunil nair> > > > , "Chandu2chill"> > <nanna_id2006@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Neelam Ji, and Ash Ji,> > >> > > As Ash Ji mentioned it is a special and rare Chart to study and find> > out Astrological reasoning behind the Actual happenings in the native's> > life. Any beginer/novice like me find it very ordinary or even predict> > bad combination for all martial happiness let alone wealth creation..> > >> > > Certainly it is special and challenging Chart for even> > > seasoned/experienced Astro professionals as well.> > >> > > Well, having said that, i did little extra study on this chart long> > before and was looking for some astro pointers for his success and his> > life's journey in my initial study. Well, Sunil Ji, Neelam ji, and> > others have given their valuale inputs, I would like to share some of my> > findings..> > >> > > 1) When the chart as per my understanding when applying the standared> > dictums and even looking at SAV/BAV points and studying D1 and D9> > nothing was matching, his success and astro teachings/pointers were all> > exactly reverse as Ash ji mentioned in his mail. Then one fine day i> > found some very useful information on SJC website link i.e. Shri Visti> > Larsen's Audio lecturer on "Shashti Amsa" D-60 and *Amsa Rulers/Dieties*> > and their significations in this present life of the native and how to> > study (i have 2 Audio files with me) and relate them. Thanks to Shri> > Larsen, he has explained beautifully then immedialty i checked with> > Dhirubai's chart with JHora 7.2 I saw his Lagna and LL Jupiter's both> > amsa rulers/dieties are *Kubera* (Caution Note: present JHora 7.32 does> > not show his Lagna Amsa ruler as Kubera instead is shows as Deva now.. I> > do not know what is the reason may be some programming bug/calculation> > mistake)> > >> > > And you see ALL his Lagnas are same!!> > >> > > 2) Second point is Rahu. Rahu in 3H in own Nakshatra and despositor> > Saturn though in 2/12 postion but aspected by LL Jupiter from 10H A> > ruthless self efforts (3H) coupled with strong intention to Make Money> > and make use of Mass/Public's Money and thereby creating his own> > wealth(2L Saturn in 2H) had lead him to take any amount of Risks Now> > tell me who(Public) has not made Money by investing in his Company? even> > Auto Drivers, Paan Shop-keepers especially in Gujarat Made huge Money> > and profited. Even i and my father made Money...> > >> > > 3) Now the Astrological Secrete of his success, sustainance and grwoth> > of his wealth you see just after Rahu Dasa ended his Jupiter MD started> > in my humble opinion this Rahu Dasa and subsequent begining LL dasa> > helped him in timely manner... BUT this is not the Secrete.. The Secret> > is...............> > >> > > Jupiter and Venus. Two great benafics are in 3/11 axis. This is the> > REAL Position of Rags to Riches persons PLEASE TEST IT VERIFY IT with> > all your known chart(s) and persons degree of Richness may veri before> > shooting me any questions on this please...> > >> > > If Jupiter and Venus are placed in 3/11 in D1 or in D9 or in BOTH D1> > and D9 This is a sure shot postion for up-liftment of the person That> > person is BOUND to get and amass wealth.> > >> > > Now Check the Dhirubhai Ambani's chart in his chart Jup and Venus are> > in 3/11 axis in both Rasi and Navamsa!!!!> > >> > > My 2 cents...hope this helps...> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > Chandu2Chill> > >> > > P S: for immediate verification of this secrete i.e. Jup and Venus in> > 3/11 position please check the chart of another great man Mr. Amitaab> > Bachhan..> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Ash ji> > >> > > Thanks for raising many questions abt this chart> > >> > > Due to time constraints i dont hav much time to go tru this chart> > ,other wise u know i will not stay back> > >> > > As triple lagna ( let us blv the BT and data is correct for time> > being) will increase any small raja yoga s many fold ( sure we dont hav> > any tool to measure the magnitude of success right now ) as neelam ji> > also pointed out.> > >> > > 19 ( jhora ) or 20 points in SAV is generaly shows may b strt working> > or earning frm that age shown in lagnashta varga as shri late patel ji> > also pointed out as givn in Deva kerala> > >> > > also frm mars ( it is with nodes -so weak ) period onwrds we can see> > a sort of anukul dasa s were running , rahu has a sort of raja yoga> > > karakatwa in his chart ( since it can giv sani s effects and mars> > effect too who is 5th L and Moola trikon stan is mesha rasi ) and sat> > was also maraka for him> > >> > > may b other s ( frm diffrnt streams and back ground with their favrite> > > sampradaya ) can go for it and explain it more effectivly> > >> > > if more events are known we wud hav argue more effectivly> > >> > > even has Gaja kesari yoga frm Moon and lagna also so many other yoga s> > > ,sun and moon also has many yoga s ,also lagna lord in 10th House .2> > > benefic in 12th house is not a Laibility as it is a place of our> > > investmnts ( except jup i blv in male charts ) and how we will invest> > > our savings or how we will spend it ,so it will giv many fold effects> > > in income frm wise investmnts .( malefic may giv wrong discission in> > > investmnts ) ,also benefics generaly supports the house behind and> > ahed it too (think abt theory of papa karthari yoga and Logic )> > >> > > But if this is chart ,and without any info abt the nativ 's i dont> > think very many astrologers will b ever successful in spelling results> > > correctly we also never know also any of his family astrologer has> > ever givn them any hint of his such rise in his chart b4 hand> > >> > > thanks and rgrds sunil nair> > >> > > if i get more quality time i will revisit chart again .> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Respected Shri Sunil Ji, First of all my sincere thanks to you for your very informative and educative post as usual.. I am speachless and can't find any word for your dedication and selflessness in guiding all querists/seekers including me here in AIA, despite your busy schedule and personal work. Thank you once again Sir.. Appreciate and value your time.. (at the same time i am getting pressure too:-):-( work/dig more on the subject....) I understood all your points and you and many active participants know that i am always on a question mode only and would like to know/learn from the knowledgable people like kind yourself... But, before i put this point (i.e. Jupitar and Venus in 3/11 axis) and my little sharing on Dhirubhai's Chart, i double checked the Birth Data just to make sure it is the correct or let some other learned may vouch (just for study and sharing purpose) when i got the confirmation from the learned ones then i just added my observation, findings, and re-confirmation of one of my teacher's advise on this.. Otherwise also a very simple Astology CAN Work as Shri Bhaskar Ji and Dhananjay ji puts it or made it easy/clear... for me personally it (Chart) was not that easy due to my limited knowledge and understanding Now again with your following information... //Bill gates ,Saddam huessien ,maharshi Mahesh yogi ,sai baba of putta parthi and Harshad Mehta of Indian share market were few exmples which qualifies the dictum u r mentioning .But we shud exercise caution here as so many other planets also may b influeing the above said planets and we hav to see how it makes or breaks a person.// True. And I am convinced of this (Jup and Vensu 3/11 axis) position and results whatever i have been told and observed now... Even though the given birth data of above mentioned personalities or Dhirubhai's may or many not be correct.. Yes, i agree with you completely that one has to exercise caution here certainly other planets may or perhaphs have a say in the chart no doubt about that. even the said position of Jup and Venus is present in the chart, but Lagna may be different, Dasha pattern may vari and so on and so fouth. So i will definitely look into that.. Let other learned members share more on this thread we have 3000+ members certainly many of them are with Rich Knowledge and experience....:-) //Did u hear about athi manusha Yoga ?? (jup and venus is constutiuent of that yoga)// No Sir i haven't heard about this Yoga.. please do throw some light on this whenever the time permits With regards and respect Chandu2Chill , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Dear chandu Ji Thanks for ur post I was not giving any purticular opinion nor i was enforcing any ideas in the name of astrology By saying let us forget D-60 The reason was in india each lagna On an average rises in 2 hrs each, so 2x 60 minits givs 120 Minits .so d-60 means every 2 minits Lagna may change and so is planets evn .if u go to more higher varga s the diffrnce is again more and u can visualise it . also i took ur statemnt in terms of logic ,i never asked even dictums of jup ,venus in 3/11 what i was asking every one to see in normal charts and see the rise happened esp Nativ with 50 or abov age . Other wise in celebrity charts we can endorese or establish any dictums as there is so many in india and aborad in various fields . Bill gates ,Saddam huessien ,maharshi Mahesh yogi ,sai baba of putta parthi and Harshad Mehta of Indian share market were few exmples which qualifies the dictum u r mentioning .But we shud exercise caution here as so many other planets also may b influeing the above said planets and we hav to see how it makes or breaks a person . But same time majority dont qualify also so when we see a Baby chart can we spell this out -that is this a chart of Billinaire only on this basis --that was my question as we are discussing and trying to fine tune our skills same time accepting and respecting each other . Hope i am clear here Even that is why I am asking grp to come with supporting or contradicting charts with each every deviations of discussion s in grp but many is worried abt near and dear one s only and never bother to collect charts of even neighbors or even frnds other wise we would hav 100s of charts required for each discussions for every treads or sub treads . sure we r not adamant and wants only working results with every combo or yoga we r discussing or its exceptions and other riders for such yogas. Did u hear about athi manusha Yoga ?? (jup and venus is constutiuent of that yoga) rgrds sunil nair > , " Chandu2chill " > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Shri Ash Ji, > > > > Thank you so much for your feedback and other valuable Database to > ponder upon:-) and dig deep surely it will help for a student like me.. > > > > i agree with you on your explainations on D-60 and Dieties even i > never heard about it when started learning and exploring Astrology > > But with my serious intention to probe further and luckily i found > some useful info as i mentioned earlier. > > > > Well, long before when my Village Astrologer used to predict/guide the > seekers i remember he was using his old Panchangas and referring ONLY > RASI and NAVAMSA charts he did try to explain me then BUT i was not at > all interested at that time... But trust me when i started studying > seriously i only foucused on D1 and D9 Still continue the same..and > found it to be useful.. > > > > I am dead against for these so called celebreties and their charts > some gullible Astologers using them (celebrity Charts) and explaining > (all Postmortem)beutifully with fancy Astro lingos Yogas etc etc and > making public fool.... > > > > BUT in my personal view i don't just call/consider Dhrirubai Ambani > and for that matter Amitaab Bacchan as mere celebrities..for me THEY are > Sheer Hard Workers and Go-getters i observed their life events > (rise/fall contraversies srrounding them etc) right from my childhood > thanks to my Rahu MD and my Dad i came to know about Dhirubai long > before when i was just 15-16 yrs old...But then i was not at all aware > of Astrology (as much as i have now) and never looked from Astrological > point of view...So they are special to me and for my Astrology > study..:-) > > > > I agree with you that you provided host of other > > celebrities/Businessmen Data for further study where Jupiter and Venus > are NOT in 3/11 axis yet they are OR we can call them succesful high > achievers wealthy etc.... > > > > BUT i can only request you and all who are interested in this thread > kindly Stick to this Jup and Ven in 3/11 axis and see the charts and > native's life vis-a-vis. Forget about the Amabani and Amitaab's Charts > let us look at our near and dear ones and whom we now personlly and > tally their actual and practical events and life happenings... if > anybody has this postions > > > > I am quoting this position again and i missed one point in my earlier > message... > > > > ***If Jupiter and Venus are in 3/11 in either D1 or in D9 or in Both > the person is Bound to get up-liftment in his/her life. If either of > them (Jup or Venus) happens to be Lagna Lord then it is sure shot result > and sign of Rags to Riches. Now that doesn't mean it will not work for > the other Lagnas But the quantum/degree of wealth creation may varies > But surely there will be a progress in native's life*** > > > > Note: I do not have any classics reference to back this up As this was > taught by one of the learned Astrologer to me and asked me to observe > this in as many charts as possible. if anyone in the group has any > ancient text's reference please do share... > > > > Dear Shri Ash Ji, > > > > I was reading your response to my post thank you for the same.. But to > me you are not sounding usual and i see some sarcastic comments.. as > well. I am surprised and was not expected this from a cheerful Teacher > like you honestly.... > > > > Sir, as far as me is concerned i have NOT touched or gave any > full-proof method of or in Astrology.. I shared What i learnt and what > have been taught to me by many learned persons read as Gurujis... > > > > Between > > > > Sir, in my humble opinion you (KAS) can better explain this above > positions of Jup and Venus in 3/11 axis as these are the Upachaya Houses > and and KAS deals and perhaps the principle of KAS are based on Upachaya > Houses.. > > > > Please correct me if i am wrong > > > > Regards > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear chandu ji > > > > Thanks for ur mail > > > > we can forget abt d-60 for time being and its ruling deities as > diffrnt SW ( even frm same makers ) giving diffrnt amsa rulers and > dieties ur observation abt jup venus and 3/11 position is very > interesting > > > > so i request every one in grp to discuss such charts frm their > > possession and Known charts > > > > i dig up some charts But Birth time is not sure ,may b some r correct > ,i omitted all polititians max as many can incite controversy only but > included some which is curious > > > > Being celebrity charts the Birth time need not b correct > > > > prince charles -The heir to british throne -Nov 14th 1948 at 21.15 hrs > > London has jup venus in mutual kendra s ( venus also debilated ) > > Queen Elizabeth -11 ( The longest reigning Monarch of british Kingdom > > -April 21 ,1926 at 2 am London has venus and jup 2/12 and jup is > > debilated > > > > Balasaheb Thackeray -the Centre of gravity of maharashtra politics > -jan 23rd 1927 at 7 am hrs pune -same day and month of netaji Born i > heard-has jup and venus in mutual kendra s > > The fallen star of south indian politics Kum -jayalalita 24th feb 1948 > > at 15 hrs Mysore > > > > has jup and venus in mutual kendra s > > > > Sharad pawar -The aspirant for PM power --dec 12 th 1940 at 5.30 am > > Baramati jup and venus aspecting each other > > > > Sonia gandhi (The lady at 10 janapath ) a typical case of kangal yoga > - june 6th 1931 at 21 30 hrs Milan italy -,jup and venus together > > > > Raja Matha vijayaraje scindia oct 12th 1919 at 23 hrs Gwalior -jup > and venus 2 /12 > > > > arvind Mafatlal -april 4th 1918 at 1.45 hrs Ahmedabad jup ,venus in > > metual kendra s > > > > Capt Krishnan nair of Leela grp of Hotels 9th feb 1922 at 17 .20 hrs > at cannannore jup and venus in mutual Kona > > > > Kumaramangalam Birla ( birla empire ) 14th June 1967 at 8.45 hrs > > calcutta ,jup venus in lagna > > > > LaLa charath ram ( DCM grp ) 1st jan 1918 at 23 .30 hrs Delhi ,venus > jup in mutual kona > > > > Rai Bahadur Mohan singh Oberoi ( oberoi grp of hotels ) -15th aug 1900 > > at 00 hrs Lahora pak > > > > jup venus 6/8 > > > > Nusli wadia ( Bomay dying ) 15th feb 1944 at 13 .30 hrs Bomay -jup > venus 6/8 > > > > R P Goenka (was a leading indian business man ) march 1st 1930 at 8.45 > > hrs calcutta > > > > jup venus in kendra each other > > > > Rahul Bajaj ( hamara Bajaj ) 10th June 1938 at 5 .10 hrs calcutta > > Jup venus in mutual Kona Ratan Tata ( the real Tata breed frm tata > stable ) 28th dec 1937 at 6.30 hrs Bomaby Jup and venus 2/12 > > > > Shah rukh khan ( king Khan ) -nov 2 1965 at 02 .30 hrs delhi Jup > venus asepcting each other > > > > Imran Khan 25th Nov 1952 at 6 .45 hrs Lahore Jup venus in trikona s > > > > sachin tendulkar( Master blaster ) 21 -april -1973 at 1800 hrs at > > bombay Jup and venus in kendra s > > > > sure i find some charts Like saddam hussien has venus and jup in 3/11 > > axis now it is for grp to ponder over it > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Neelam Ji, and Ash Ji, > > > > > > > > As Ash Ji mentioned it is a special and rare Chart to study and > find > > > out Astrological reasoning behind the Actual happenings in the > native's > > > life. Any beginer/novice like me find it very ordinary or even > predict > > > bad combination for all martial happiness let alone wealth > creation.. > > > > > > > > Certainly it is special and challenging Chart for even > > > > seasoned/experienced Astro professionals as well. > > > > > > > > Well, having said that, i did little extra study on this chart > long > > > before and was looking for some astro pointers for his success and > his > > > life's journey in my initial study. Well, Sunil Ji, Neelam ji, and > > > others have given their valuale inputs, I would like to share some > of my > > > findings.. > > > > > > > > 1) When the chart as per my understanding when applying the > standared > > > dictums and even looking at SAV/BAV points and studying D1 and D9 > > > nothing was matching, his success and astro teachings/pointers were > all > > > exactly reverse as Ash ji mentioned in his mail. Then one fine day i > > > found some very useful information on SJC website link i.e. Shri > Visti > > > Larsen's Audio lecturer on " Shashti Amsa " D-60 and *Amsa > Rulers/Dieties* > > > and their significations in this present life of the native and how > to > > > study (i have 2 Audio files with me) and relate them. Thanks to Shri > > > Larsen, he has explained beautifully then immedialty i checked with > > > Dhirubai's chart with JHora 7.2 I saw his Lagna and LL Jupiter's > both > > > amsa rulers/dieties are *Kubera* (Caution Note: present JHora 7.32 > does > > > not show his Lagna Amsa ruler as Kubera instead is shows as Deva > now.. I > > > do not know what is the reason may be some programming > bug/calculation > > > mistake) > > > > > > > > And you see ALL his Lagnas are same!! > > > > > > > > 2) Second point is Rahu. Rahu in 3H in own Nakshatra and > despositor > > > Saturn though in 2/12 postion but aspected by LL Jupiter from 10H A > > > ruthless self efforts (3H) coupled with strong intention to Make > Money > > > and make use of Mass/Public's Money and thereby creating his own > > > wealth(2L Saturn in 2H) had lead him to take any amount of Risks Now > > > tell me who(Public) has not made Money by investing in his Company? > even > > > Auto Drivers, Paan Shop-keepers especially in Gujarat Made huge > Money > > > and profited. Even i and my father made Money... > > > > > > > > 3) Now the Astrological Secrete of his success, sustainance and > grwoth > > > of his wealth you see just after Rahu Dasa ended his Jupiter MD > started > > > in my humble opinion this Rahu Dasa and subsequent begining LL dasa > > > helped him in timely manner... BUT this is not the Secrete.. The > Secret > > > is............... > > > > > > > > Jupiter and Venus. Two great benafics are in 3/11 axis. This is > the > > > REAL Position of Rags to Riches persons PLEASE TEST IT VERIFY IT > with > > > all your known chart(s) and persons degree of Richness may veri > before > > > shooting me any questions on this please... > > > > > > > > If Jupiter and Venus are placed in 3/11 in D1 or in D9 or in BOTH > D1 > > > and D9 This is a sure shot postion for up-liftment of the person > That > > > person is BOUND to get and amass wealth. > > > > > > > > Now Check the Dhirubhai Ambani's chart in his chart Jup and Venus > are > > > in 3/11 axis in both Rasi and Navamsa!!!! > > > > > > > > My 2 cents...hope this helps... > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > > > P S: for immediate verification of this secrete i.e. Jup and Venus > in > > > 3/11 position please check the chart of another great man Mr. > Amitaab > > > Bachhan.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji > > > > > > > > Thanks for raising many questions abt this chart > > > > > > > > Due to time constraints i dont hav much time to go tru this chart > > > ,other wise u know i will not stay back > > > > > > > > As triple lagna ( let us blv the BT and data is correct for time > > > being) will increase any small raja yoga s many fold ( sure we dont > hav > > > any tool to measure the magnitude of success right now ) as neelam > ji > > > also pointed out. > > > > > > > > 19 ( jhora ) or 20 points in SAV is generaly shows may b strt > working > > > or earning frm that age shown in lagnashta varga as shri late patel > ji > > > also pointed out as givn in Deva kerala > > > > > > > > also frm mars ( it is with nodes -so weak ) period onwrds we can > see > > > a sort of anukul dasa s were running , rahu has a sort of raja yoga > > > > karakatwa in his chart ( since it can giv sani s effects and mars > > > effect too who is 5th L and Moola trikon stan is mesha rasi ) and > sat > > > was also maraka for him > > > > > > > > may b other s ( frm diffrnt streams and back ground with their > favrite > > > > sampradaya ) can go for it and explain it more effectivly > > > > > > > > if more events are known we wud hav argue more effectivly > > > > > > > > even has Gaja kesari yoga frm Moon and lagna also so many other > yoga s > > > > ,sun and moon also has many yoga s ,also lagna lord in 10th House > .2 > > > > benefic in 12th house is not a Laibility as it is a place of our > > > > investmnts ( except jup i blv in male charts ) and how we will > invest > > > > our savings or how we will spend it ,so it will giv many fold > effects > > > > in income frm wise investmnts .( malefic may giv wrong discission > in > > > > investmnts ) ,also benefics generaly supports the house behind and > > > ahed it too (think abt theory of papa karthari yoga and Logic ) > > > > > > > > But if this is chart ,and without any info abt the nativ 's i dont > > > think very many astrologers will b ever successful in spelling > results > > > > correctly we also never know also any of his family astrologer has > > > ever givn them any hint of his such rise in his chart b4 hand > > > > > > > > thanks and rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > if i get more quality time i will revisit chart again . > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Dear Chandu ji, Firstly my mail was supposed to be in light humor and people who read my post I hoped would just laugh. Hence the “LOL” in the last line of my mail (btw all work and no play makes jack a dull boy lol). Secondly I am not a teacher, I am just a member here who is taking part in a discussion. Thirdly, Dear Chandu ji, 3rd and 11th house are straight forward. I think there was a discussion here or maybe on KAS list I don’t remember now. 3rd is 10th from 6th house. 6th house is that of Job, health etc etc. So we will stick to Job angles as that’s what your focus is. 3rd is 10th from 6th of as we say House D. 11th is 6th from 6th and we call that House E. 10th and 6th are most powerful upchay sthan as they are upchay from Phal as well as Karak sthan. Karak for 6th house is 1st, and 3rd is 3rd from 1st and 11th is 11th from 1st. Now, GENERALLY benefics have more than 4 bindus. Ve and Ju being benefics GENERALLY have more than 4 bindus. Therefore when we add the layer of Ashtakavarga, then we are brining in the other planets and their relative positions from each other that means yogas they are forming in reference to lagna and w.r.t planets. Now since you have mentioned 3rd /9th house i.e. in reference to lagna then that portion we know and u can check that in the individual BAV’s charts for Ve and Ju in the points distrubtion for Lagna. We also need to know where or what relation are the other 6 planets making with Ve or Ju. Now any planet in D or E house or in this case 3rd and 11th with more than 4 bindus will become very eager as well to deliver the result. 6th house is the KARAK for 11th. The status (quality) of the 6th house will have its say over the 11th house matters i.e income. i.e a person doing a menial job will get his remuneration accordingly whereas a person doing a job as a CA or some professional job, might be earning higher accordingly. Btw, this was my earlier question on Dhirubhai ambanis chart regarding how u judge the quality / quantum. 6th house is also for social status. 3rd house is also upchay or 6th or House E from 10th house. Therefore 3rd house is special that way as it is D for 6th and E for 10th. So it triggers both. 11th house is D for 2nd and E for 6th so it triggers 2nd or wealth and 6th. Same way planets in these house with more than 4 bindus means planets that have good yoga support from other planets and lagna as well. Now, this is only for triggering 6th house. Now hard work and parakram is 3rd house as focus and that is different from 6th house. For authority, 10th house is of main focus and not 6th. Yes, 10th house is 5th from 6th or House C i.e. its next generation (just as 1st and 5th are 1st is self and 5th is child or the next generation and both have same nakshatras). Wealth is different again, with main focus on 2nd house, then 11th and 7th become powerful upchay that aid in the generation and accumulation of wealth. Deash, Kaal and Paatra is important as well. Back in the old days, a very learned person and with nice family was supposed to be a wealthy person, today the one with more bank balance. So I hope u get the reference. From 1 planet in KAS we can’t say anything because fundamentally we are using ASHTAKAVARGA and for that we need all 7 planets and their position from lagna to get full picture and then degrees to get navamsa and vargas from which we get samdharmi. So we can just talk in General here. Another angle to study is that planets in 3rd house will make one work hard as they will ASPECT 9th house. 3rd house is that of parakram and 9th is opposite of that i.e. what we call “luck” so things happen without us putting in a lot of effort. KAS101 Law – Planets aspecting House A, B and C WILL NOT GIVE THE RESULT. Therefore planets in 3rd house will all aspect 9th hosue thereby will not give easy result so one will have to work for it. Same way 11th house is self earned income and 5th house is unearned income so we attribute stocks, gambling etc. Therefore plantes in 11th house will aspect 5th house so it will not give unearned income, so one will have to earn it. Also note 5th and 9th are trines and they are upchay for 12th house the house of ultimate enjoyment or Moksh. Everyone loves to have the dasha or antra of trines don’t they J lol... Yes, so in conclusion, we just cannot have a blanket statement staying that there will be a rise from rags to riches without studying the full chart in detail, but in general planets in 3rd and 11th house with more than 4 bindus or the lords of 3rd and 11th will trigger 6th house which is service, job, health, social status etc etc. Also at the same time, keep in mind that 6th house is also considered the most malefic house. Therefore if other factors are there, then these 2 house will increase 6th house malefic results. Laghu parasari I believe considers these to be malefic, in that connotation. Hope that helps Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Chandu2chill Saturday August 15, 2009 2:28 AM To: Subject: Re: Jup and Venus in 3/11 position Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Shri Ash Ji, Thank you so much for your feedback and other valuable Database to ponder upon:-) and dig deep surely it will help for a student like me.. i agree with you on your explainations on D-60 and Dieties even i never heard about it when started learning and exploring Astrology But with my serious intention to probe further and luckily i found some useful info as i mentioned earlier. Well, long before when my Village Astrologer used to predict/guide the seekers i remember he was using his old Panchangas and referring ONLY RASI and NAVAMSA charts he did try to explain me then BUT i was not at all interested at that time... But trust me when i started studying seriously i only foucused on D1 and D9 Still continue the same..and found it to be useful.. I am dead against for these so called celebreties and their charts some gullible Astologers using them (celebrity Charts) and explaining (all Postmortem)beutifully with fancy Astro lingos Yogas etc etc and making public fool.... BUT in my personal view i don't just call/consider Dhrirubai Ambani and for that matter Amitaab Bacchan as mere celebrities..for me THEY are Sheer Hard Workers and Go-getters i observed their life events (rise/fall contraversies srrounding them etc) right from my childhood thanks to my Rahu MD and my Dad i came to know about Dhirubai long before when i was just 15-16 yrs old...But then i was not at all aware of Astrology (as much as i have now) and never looked from Astrological point of view...So they are special to me and for my Astrology study..:-) I agree with you that you provided host of other celebrities/Businessmen Data for further study where Jupiter and Venus are NOT in 3/11 axis yet they are OR we can call them succesful high achievers wealthy etc.... BUT i can only request you and all who are interested in this thread kindly Stick to this Jup and Ven in 3/11 axis and see the charts and native's life vis-a-vis. Forget about the Amabani and Amitaab's Charts let us look at our near and dear ones and whom we now personlly and tally their actual and practical events and life happenings... if anybody has this postions I am quoting this position again and i missed one point in my earlier message... ***If Jupiter and Venus are in 3/11 in either D1 or in D9 or in Both the person is Bound to get up-liftment in his/her life. If either of them (Jup or Venus) happens to be Lagna Lord then it is sure shot result and sign of Rags to Riches. Now that doesn't mean it will not work for the other Lagnas But the quantum/degree of wealth creation may varies But surely there will be a progress in native's life*** Note: I do not have any classics reference to back this up As this was taught by one of the learned Astrologer to me and asked me to observe this in as many charts as possible. if anyone in the group has any ancient text's reference please do share... Dear Shri Ash Ji, I was reading your response to my post thank you for the same.. But to me you are not sounding usual and i see some sarcastic comments.. as well. I am surprised and was not expected this from a cheerful Teacher like you honestly.... Sir, as far as me is concerned i have NOT touched or gave any full-proof method of or in Astrology.. I shared What i learnt and what have been taught to me by many learned persons read as Gurujis... Between Sir, in my humble opinion you (KAS) can better explain this above positions of Jup and Venus in 3/11 axis as these are the Upachaya Houses and and KAS deals and perhaps the principle of KAS are based on Upachaya Houses.. Please correct me if i am wrong Regards Chandu2Chill , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Dear chandu ji Thanks for ur mail we can forget abt d-60 for time being and its ruling deities as diffrnt SW ( even frm same makers ) giving diffrnt amsa rulers and dieties ur observation abt jup venus and 3/11 position is very interesting so i request every one in grp to discuss such charts frm their possession and Known charts i dig up some charts But Birth time is not sure ,may b some r correct ,i omitted all polititians max as many can incite controversy only but included some which is curious Being celebrity charts the Birth time need not b correct prince charles -The heir to british throne -Nov 14th 1948 at 21.15 hrs London has jup venus in mutual kendra s ( venus also debilated ) Queen Elizabeth -11 ( The longest reigning Monarch of british Kingdom -April 21 ,1926 at 2 am London has venus and jup 2/12 and jup is debilated Balasaheb Thackeray -the Centre of gravity of maharashtra politics -jan 23rd 1927 at 7 am hrs pune -same day and month of netaji Born i heard-has jup and venus in mutual kendra s The fallen star of south indian politics Kum -jayalalita 24th feb 1948 at 15 hrs Mysore has jup and venus in mutual kendra s Sharad pawar -The aspirant for PM power --dec 12 th 1940 at 5.30 am Baramati jup and venus aspecting each other Sonia gandhi (The lady at 10 janapath ) a typical case of kangal yoga - june 6th 1931 at 21 30 hrs Milan italy -,jup and venus together Raja Matha vijayaraje scindia oct 12th 1919 at 23 hrs Gwalior -jup and venus 2 /12 arvind Mafatlal -april 4th 1918 at 1.45 hrs Ahmedabad jup ,venus in metual kendra s Capt Krishnan nair of Leela grp of Hotels 9th feb 1922 at 17 .20 hrs at cannannore jup and venus in mutual Kona Kumaramangalam Birla ( birla empire ) 14th June 1967 at 8.45 hrs calcutta ,jup venus in lagna LaLa charath ram ( DCM grp ) 1st jan 1918 at 23 .30 hrs Delhi ,venus jup in mutual kona Rai Bahadur Mohan singh Oberoi ( oberoi grp of hotels ) -15th aug 1900 at 00 hrs Lahora pak jup venus 6/8 Nusli wadia ( Bomay dying ) 15th feb 1944 at 13 .30 hrs Bomay -jup venus 6/8 R P Goenka (was a leading indian business man ) march 1st 1930 at 8.45 hrs calcutta jup venus in kendra each other Rahul Bajaj ( hamara Bajaj ) 10th June 1938 at 5 .10 hrs calcutta Jup venus in mutual Kona Ratan Tata ( the real Tata breed frm tata stable ) 28th dec 1937 at 6.30 hrs Bomaby Jup and venus 2/12 Shah rukh khan ( king Khan ) -nov 2 1965 at 02 .30 hrs delhi Jup venus asepcting each other Imran Khan 25th Nov 1952 at 6 .45 hrs Lahore Jup venus in trikona s sachin tendulkar( Master blaster ) 21 -april -1973 at 1800 hrs at bombay Jup and venus in kendra s sure i find some charts Like saddam hussien has venus and jup in 3/11 axis now it is for grp to ponder over it rgrds sunil nair > , " Chandu2chill " > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Neelam Ji, and Ash Ji, > > > > As Ash Ji mentioned it is a special and rare Chart to study and find > out Astrological reasoning behind the Actual happenings in the native's > life. Any beginer/novice like me find it very ordinary or even predict > bad combination for all martial happiness let alone wealth creation.. > > > > Certainly it is special and challenging Chart for even > > seasoned/experienced Astro professionals as well. > > > > Well, having said that, i did little extra study on this chart long > before and was looking for some astro pointers for his success and his > life's journey in my initial study. Well, Sunil Ji, Neelam ji, and > others have given their valuale inputs, I would like to share some of my > findings.. > > > > 1) When the chart as per my understanding when applying the standared > dictums and even looking at SAV/BAV points and studying D1 and D9 > nothing was matching, his success and astro teachings/pointers were all > exactly reverse as Ash ji mentioned in his mail. Then one fine day i > found some very useful information on SJC website link i.e. Shri Visti > Larsen's Audio lecturer on " Shashti Amsa " D-60 and *Amsa Rulers/Dieties* > and their significations in this present life of the native and how to > study (i have 2 Audio files with me) and relate them. Thanks to Shri > Larsen, he has explained beautifully then immedialty i checked with > Dhirubai's chart with JHora 7.2 I saw his Lagna and LL Jupiter's both > amsa rulers/dieties are *Kubera* (Caution Note: present JHora 7.32 does > not show his Lagna Amsa ruler as Kubera instead is shows as Deva now.. I > do not know what is the reason may be some programming bug/calculation > mistake) > > > > And you see ALL his Lagnas are same!! > > > > 2) Second point is Rahu. Rahu in 3H in own Nakshatra and despositor > Saturn though in 2/12 postion but aspected by LL Jupiter from 10H A > ruthless self efforts (3H) coupled with strong intention to Make Money > and make use of Mass/Public's Money and thereby creating his own > wealth(2L Saturn in 2H) had lead him to take any amount of Risks Now > tell me who(Public) has not made Money by investing in his Company? even > Auto Drivers, Paan Shop-keepers especially in Gujarat Made huge Money > and profited. Even i and my father made Money... > > > > 3) Now the Astrological Secrete of his success, sustainance and grwoth > of his wealth you see just after Rahu Dasa ended his Jupiter MD started > in my humble opinion this Rahu Dasa and subsequent begining LL dasa > helped him in timely manner... BUT this is not the Secrete.. The Secret > is............... > > > > Jupiter and Venus. Two great benafics are in 3/11 axis. This is the > REAL Position of Rags to Riches persons PLEASE TEST IT VERIFY IT with > all your known chart(s) and persons degree of Richness may veri before > shooting me any questions on this please... > > > > If Jupiter and Venus are placed in 3/11 in D1 or in D9 or in BOTH D1 > and D9 This is a sure shot postion for up-liftment of the person That > person is BOUND to get and amass wealth. > > > > Now Check the Dhirubhai Ambani's chart in his chart Jup and Venus are > in 3/11 axis in both Rasi and Navamsa!!!! > > > > My 2 cents...hope this helps... > > > > Regards > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > P S: for immediate verification of this secrete i.e. Jup and Venus in > 3/11 position please check the chart of another great man Mr. Amitaab > Bachhan.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ash ji > > > > Thanks for raising many questions abt this chart > > > > Due to time constraints i dont hav much time to go tru this chart > ,other wise u know i will not stay back > > > > As triple lagna ( let us blv the BT and data is correct for time > being) will increase any small raja yoga s many fold ( sure we dont hav > any tool to measure the magnitude of success right now ) as neelam ji > also pointed out. > > > > 19 ( jhora ) or 20 points in SAV is generaly shows may b strt working > or earning frm that age shown in lagnashta varga as shri late patel ji > also pointed out as givn in Deva kerala > > > > also frm mars ( it is with nodes -so weak ) period onwrds we can see > a sort of anukul dasa s were running , rahu has a sort of raja yoga > > karakatwa in his chart ( since it can giv sani s effects and mars > effect too who is 5th L and Moola trikon stan is mesha rasi ) and sat > was also maraka for him > > > > may b other s ( frm diffrnt streams and back ground with their favrite > > sampradaya ) can go for it and explain it more effectivly > > > > if more events are known we wud hav argue more effectivly > > > > even has Gaja kesari yoga frm Moon and lagna also so many other yoga s > > ,sun and moon also has many yoga s ,also lagna lord in 10th House .2 > > benefic in 12th house is not a Laibility as it is a place of our > > investmnts ( except jup i blv in male charts ) and how we will invest > > our savings or how we will spend it ,so it will giv many fold effects > > in income frm wise investmnts .( malefic may giv wrong discission in > > investmnts ) ,also benefics generaly supports the house behind and > ahed it too (think abt theory of papa karthari yoga and Logic ) > > > > But if this is chart ,and without any info abt the nativ 's i dont > think very many astrologers will b ever successful in spelling results > > correctly we also never know also any of his family astrologer has > ever givn them any hint of his such rise in his chart b4 hand > > > > thanks and rgrds sunil nair > > > > if i get more quality time i will revisit chart again . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Dear Sunil ji, You have explained it very well and have highlighted some points that no one generally talks about. Mostly everyone is talking about Yogas. Just for an example, 2 people have Gaj kesari yog or for simplicity sake one of the Panch mahapurush yoga. What will the quantum of that or quality of that? Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of sunil nair Saturday August 15, 2009 7:11 AM To: Subject: Re: Jup and Venus in 3/11 position Dear chandu Ji Thanks for ur post I was not giving any purticular opinion nor i was enforcing any ideas in the name of astrology By saying let us forget D-60 The reason was in india each lagna On an average rises in 2 hrs each ,so 2x 60 minits givs 120 Minits .so d-60 means every 2 minits Lagna may change and so is planets evn .if u go to more higher varga s the diffrnce is again more and u can visualise it . also i took ur statemnt in terms of logic ,i never asked even dictums of jup ,venus in 3/11 what i was asking every one to see in normal charts and see the rise happened esp Nativ with 50 or abov age . Other wise in celebrity charts we can endorese or establish any dictums as there is so many in india and aborad in various fields . Bill gates ,Saddam huessien ,maharshi Mahesh yogi ,sai baba of putta parthi and Harshad Mehta of Indian share market were few exmples which qualifies the dictum u r mentioning .But we shud exercise caution here as so many other planets also may b influeing the above said planets and we hav to see how it makes or breaks a person . But same time majority dont qualify also so when we see a Baby chart can we spell this out -that is this a chart of Billinaire only on this basis --that was my question as we are discussing and trying to fine tune our skills same time accepting and respecting each other . Hope i am clear here Even that is why I am asking grp to come with supporting or contradicting charts with each every deviations of discussion s in grp but many is worried abt near and dear one s only and never bother to collect charts of even neighbors or even frnds other wise we would hav 100s of charts required for each discussions for every treads or sub treads . sure we r not adamant and wants only working results with every combo or yoga we r discussing or its exceptions and other riders for such yoga s . Did u hear about athi manusha Yoga ?? ( jup and venus is constutiuent of that yoga ) rgrds sunil nair , " Chandu2chill " <nanna_id2006 wrote: > > Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Shri Ash Ji, > > Thank you so much for your feedback and other valuable Database to ponder upon:-) and dig deep surely it will help for a student like me.. > > i agree with you on your explainations on D-60 and Dieties even i never heard about it when started learning and exploring Astrology > But with my serious intention to probe further and luckily i found some useful info as i mentioned earlier. > > Well, long before when my Village Astrologer used to predict/guide the seekers i remember he was using his old Panchangas and referring ONLY RASI and NAVAMSA charts he did try to explain me then BUT i was not at all interested at that time... But trust me when i started studying seriously i only foucused on D1 and D9 Still continue the same..and found it to be useful.. > > I am dead against for these so called celebreties and their charts some gullible Astologers using them (celebrity Charts) and explaining (all Postmortem)beutifully with fancy Astro lingos Yogas etc etc and making public fool.... > > BUT in my personal view i don't just call/consider Dhrirubai Ambani and for that matter Amitaab Bacchan as mere celebrities..for me THEY are Sheer Hard Workers and Go-getters i observed their life events (rise/fall contraversies srrounding them etc) right from my childhood thanks to my Rahu MD and my Dad i came to know about Dhirubai long before when i was just 15-16 yrs old...But then i was not at all aware of Astrology (as much as i have now) and never looked from Astrological point of view...So they are special to me and for my Astrology study..:-) > > I agree with you that you provided host of other > celebrities/Businessmen Data for further study where Jupiter and Venus are NOT in 3/11 axis yet they are OR we can call them succesful high achievers wealthy etc.... > > BUT i can only request you and all who are interested in this thread kindly Stick to this Jup and Ven in 3/11 axis and see the charts and native's life vis-a-vis. Forget about the Amabani and Amitaab's Charts let us look at our near and dear ones and whom we now personlly and tally their actual and practical events and life happenings... if anybody has this postions > > I am quoting this position again and i missed one point in my earlier message... > > ***If Jupiter and Venus are in 3/11 in either D1 or in D9 or in Both the person is Bound to get up-liftment in his/her life. If either of them (Jup or Venus) happens to be Lagna Lord then it is sure shot result and sign of Rags to Riches. Now that doesn't mean it will not work for the other Lagnas But the quantum/degree of wealth creation may varies But surely there will be a progress in native's life*** > > Note: I do not have any classics reference to back this up As this was taught by one of the learned Astrologer to me and asked me to observe this in as many charts as possible. if anyone in the group has any ancient text's reference please do share... > > Dear Shri Ash Ji, > > I was reading your response to my post thank you for the same.. But to me you are not sounding usual and i see some sarcastic comments.. as well. I am surprised and was not expected this from a cheerful Teacher like you honestly.... > > Sir, as far as me is concerned i have NOT touched or gave any full-proof method of or in Astrology.. I shared What i learnt and what have been taught to me by many learned persons read as Gurujis... > > Between > > Sir, in my humble opinion you (KAS) can better explain this above positions of Jup and Venus in 3/11 axis as these are the Upachaya Houses and and KAS deals and perhaps the principle of KAS are based on Upachaya Houses.. > > Please correct me if i am wrong > > Regards > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > , " sunil nair " astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > Dear chandu ji > > Thanks for ur mail > > we can forget abt d-60 for time being and its ruling deities as diffrnt SW ( even frm same makers ) giving diffrnt amsa rulers and dieties ur observation abt jup venus and 3/11 position is very interesting > > so i request every one in grp to discuss such charts frm their > possession and Known charts > > i dig up some charts But Birth time is not sure ,may b some r correct ,i omitted all polititians max as many can incite controversy only but included some which is curious > > Being celebrity charts the Birth time need not b correct > > prince charles -The heir to british throne -Nov 14th 1948 at 21.15 hrs > London has jup venus in mutual kendra s ( venus also debilated ) > Queen Elizabeth -11 ( The longest reigning Monarch of british Kingdom > -April 21 ,1926 at 2 am London has venus and jup 2/12 and jup is > debilated > > Balasaheb Thackeray -the Centre of gravity of maharashtra politics -jan 23rd 1927 at 7 am hrs pune -same day and month of netaji Born i heard-has jup and venus in mutual kendra s > The fallen star of south indian politics Kum -jayalalita 24th feb 1948 > at 15 hrs Mysore > > has jup and venus in mutual kendra s > > Sharad pawar -The aspirant for PM power --dec 12 th 1940 at 5.30 am > Baramati jup and venus aspecting each other > > Sonia gandhi (The lady at 10 janapath ) a typical case of kangal yoga - june 6th 1931 at 21 30 hrs Milan italy -,jup and venus together > > Raja Matha vijayaraje scindia oct 12th 1919 at 23 hrs Gwalior -jup and venus 2 /12 > > arvind Mafatlal -april 4th 1918 at 1.45 hrs Ahmedabad jup ,venus in > metual kendra s > > Capt Krishnan nair of Leela grp of Hotels 9th feb 1922 at 17 .20 hrs at cannannore jup and venus in mutual Kona > > Kumaramangalam Birla ( birla empire ) 14th June 1967 at 8.45 hrs > calcutta ,jup venus in lagna > > LaLa charath ram ( DCM grp ) 1st jan 1918 at 23 .30 hrs Delhi ,venus jup in mutual kona > > Rai Bahadur Mohan singh Oberoi ( oberoi grp of hotels ) -15th aug 1900 > at 00 hrs Lahora pak > > jup venus 6/8 > > Nusli wadia ( Bomay dying ) 15th feb 1944 at 13 .30 hrs Bomay -jup venus 6/8 > > R P Goenka (was a leading indian business man ) march 1st 1930 at 8.45 > hrs calcutta > > jup venus in kendra each other > > Rahul Bajaj ( hamara Bajaj ) 10th June 1938 at 5 .10 hrs calcutta > Jup venus in mutual Kona Ratan Tata ( the real Tata breed frm tata stable ) 28th dec 1937 at 6.30 hrs Bomaby Jup and venus 2/12 > > Shah rukh khan ( king Khan ) -nov 2 1965 at 02 .30 hrs delhi Jup venus asepcting each other > > Imran Khan 25th Nov 1952 at 6 .45 hrs Lahore Jup venus in trikona s > > sachin tendulkar( Master blaster ) 21 -april -1973 at 1800 hrs at > bombay Jup and venus in kendra s > > sure i find some charts Like saddam hussien has venus and jup in 3/11 > axis now it is for grp to ponder over it > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Neelam Ji, and Ash Ji, > > > > > > As Ash Ji mentioned it is a special and rare Chart to study and find > > out Astrological reasoning behind the Actual happenings in the native's > > life. Any beginer/novice like me find it very ordinary or even predict > > bad combination for all martial happiness let alone wealth creation.. > > > > > > Certainly it is special and challenging Chart for even > > > seasoned/experienced Astro professionals as well. > > > > > > Well, having said that, i did little extra study on this chart long > > before and was looking for some astro pointers for his success and his > > life's journey in my initial study. Well, Sunil Ji, Neelam ji, and > > others have given their valuale inputs, I would like to share some of my > > findings.. > > > > > > 1) When the chart as per my understanding when applying the standared > > dictums and even looking at SAV/BAV points and studying D1 and D9 > > nothing was matching, his success and astro teachings/pointers were all > > exactly reverse as Ash ji mentioned in his mail. Then one fine day i > > found some very useful information on SJC website link i.e. Shri Visti > > Larsen's Audio lecturer on " Shashti Amsa " D-60 and *Amsa Rulers/Dieties* > > and their significations in this present life of the native and how to > > study (i have 2 Audio files with me) and relate them. Thanks to Shri > > Larsen, he has explained beautifully then immedialty i checked with > > Dhirubai's chart with JHora 7.2 I saw his Lagna and LL Jupiter's both > > amsa rulers/dieties are *Kubera* (Caution Note: present JHora 7.32 does > > not show his Lagna Amsa ruler as Kubera instead is shows as Deva now.. I > > do not know what is the reason may be some programming bug/calculation > > mistake) > > > > > > And you see ALL his Lagnas are same!! > > > > > > 2) Second point is Rahu. Rahu in 3H in own Nakshatra and despositor > > Saturn though in 2/12 postion but aspected by LL Jupiter from 10H A > > ruthless self efforts (3H) coupled with strong intention to Make Money > > and make use of Mass/Public's Money and thereby creating his own > > wealth(2L Saturn in 2H) had lead him to take any amount of Risks Now > > tell me who(Public) has not made Money by investing in his Company? even > > Auto Drivers, Paan Shop-keepers especially in Gujarat Made huge Money > > and profited. Even i and my father made Money... > > > > > > 3) Now the Astrological Secrete of his success, sustainance and grwoth > > of his wealth you see just after Rahu Dasa ended his Jupiter MD started > > in my humble opinion this Rahu Dasa and subsequent begining LL dasa > > helped him in timely manner... BUT this is not the Secrete.. The Secret > > is............... > > > > > > Jupiter and Venus. Two great benafics are in 3/11 axis. This is the > > REAL Position of Rags to Riches persons PLEASE TEST IT VERIFY IT with > > all your known chart(s) and persons degree of Richness may veri before > > shooting me any questions on this please... > > > > > > If Jupiter and Venus are placed in 3/11 in D1 or in D9 or in BOTH D1 > > and D9 This is a sure shot postion for up-liftment of the person That > > person is BOUND to get and amass wealth. > > > > > > Now Check the Dhirubhai Ambani's chart in his chart Jup and Venus are > > in 3/11 axis in both Rasi and Navamsa!!!! > > > > > > My 2 cents...hope this helps... > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > P S: for immediate verification of this secrete i.e. Jup and Venus in > > 3/11 position please check the chart of another great man Mr. Amitaab > > Bachhan.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji > > > > > > Thanks for raising many questions abt this chart > > > > > > Due to time constraints i dont hav much time to go tru this chart > > ,other wise u know i will not stay back > > > > > > As triple lagna ( let us blv the BT and data is correct for time > > being) will increase any small raja yoga s many fold ( sure we dont hav > > any tool to measure the magnitude of success right now ) as neelam ji > > also pointed out. > > > > > > 19 ( jhora ) or 20 points in SAV is generaly shows may b strt working > > or earning frm that age shown in lagnashta varga as shri late patel ji > > also pointed out as givn in Deva kerala > > > > > > also frm mars ( it is with nodes -so weak ) period onwrds we can see > > a sort of anukul dasa s were running , rahu has a sort of raja yoga > > > karakatwa in his chart ( since it can giv sani s effects and mars > > effect too who is 5th L and Moola trikon stan is mesha rasi ) and sat > > was also maraka for him > > > > > > may b other s ( frm diffrnt streams and back ground with their favrite > > > sampradaya ) can go for it and explain it more effectivly > > > > > > if more events are known we wud hav argue more effectivly > > > > > > even has Gaja kesari yoga frm Moon and lagna also so many other yoga s > > > ,sun and moon also has many yoga s ,also lagna lord in 10th House .2 > > > benefic in 12th house is not a Laibility as it is a place of our > > > investmnts ( except jup i blv in male charts ) and how we will invest > > > our savings or how we will spend it ,so it will giv many fold effects > > > in income frm wise investmnts .( malefic may giv wrong discission in > > > investmnts ) ,also benefics generaly supports the house behind and > > ahed it too (think abt theory of papa karthari yoga and Logic ) > > > > > > But if this is chart ,and without any info abt the nativ 's i dont > > think very many astrologers will b ever successful in spelling results > > > correctly we also never know also any of his family astrologer has > > ever givn them any hint of his such rise in his chart b4 hand > > > > > > thanks and rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > if i get more quality time i will revisit chart again . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Dear Ash, What you wanted to say comes out strikingly. What I percieve of same. Though you are a very accomplished astrologer and a person who is well read so maybe I am wrong in my perceptions because I am just a ordinary astrologer who looks up several charts in a day without going in deep study of same due to professional committments and lack of time given to this study. But my take all the same . The Quantum would mostly depend on the persons circumstances and the society in which he grows up, lives and mingles with. For a Taxi Driver , a Gajkesari or a Raj Yoga appearing may make him in time to come the owner of 4 Taxis and he may employ 4 Drivers under him to run his Taxis. But he may not become the owner of the KingFisher Fleet of Airlines. For a MP, a Vipareeta Raj Yoga may get him the PM's seat in time to come. But he may not become Amitabh Bachhan to gain international fame and glory and his fame may be restricted to third world countries only. The fate Line in the palm is seen similiarly reaching the Mount of Jupiter in many persons hands , but for one it may end in a Career from a sweeper to a Clerk, while for the other it may end with a Good paper Merchant from being a raddiwala initially. regards/Bhaskar. , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Sunil ji, > > You have explained it very well and have highlighted some points that no one > generally talks about. > > Mostly everyone is talking about Yogas. Just for an example, 2 people have > Gaj kesari yog or for simplicity sake one of the Panch mahapurush yoga. > What will the quantum of that or quality of that? > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of sunil nair > Saturday August 15, 2009 7:11 AM > > Re: Jup and Venus in 3/11 position > > > > Dear chandu Ji > > > Thanks for ur post > > I was not giving any purticular opinion nor i was enforcing any ideas in the > name of astrology By saying let us forget D-60 > > The reason was in india each lagna On an average rises in 2 hrs each ,so 2x > 60 minits givs 120 Minits .so d-60 means every 2 minits Lagna may change and > so is planets evn .if u go to more higher varga s the diffrnce is again more > and u can visualise it . > > also i took ur statemnt in terms of logic ,i never asked even dictums of > jup ,venus in 3/11 > > what i was asking every one to see in normal charts and see the rise > happened esp Nativ with 50 or abov age . > > Other wise in celebrity charts we can endorese or establish any dictums as > there is so many in india and aborad in various fields . > > Bill gates ,Saddam huessien ,maharshi Mahesh yogi ,sai baba of putta parthi > and Harshad Mehta of Indian share market were few exmples which qualifies > the dictum u r mentioning .But we shud exercise caution here as so many > other planets also may b influeing the above said planets and we hav to see > how it makes or breaks a person . > > But same time majority dont qualify also > > so when we see a Baby chart can we spell this out -that is this a chart of > Billinaire only on this basis --that was my question as we are discussing > and trying to fine tune our skills same time accepting and respecting each > other . > > Hope i am clear here > > Even that is why I am asking grp to come with supporting or contradicting > charts with each every deviations of discussion s in grp > > but many is worried abt near and dear one s only and never bother to collect > charts of even neighbors or even frnds > > other wise we would hav 100s of charts required for each discussions for > every treads or sub treads . > > sure we r not adamant and wants only working results with every combo or > yoga we r discussing or its exceptions and other riders for such yoga s . > > Did u hear about athi manusha Yoga ?? ( jup and venus is constutiuent of > that yoga ) > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > , " Chandu2chill " > nanna_id2006@ wrote: > > > > Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Shri Ash Ji, > > > > Thank you so much for your feedback and other valuable Database to ponder > upon:-) and dig deep surely it will help for a student like me.. > > > > i agree with you on your explainations on D-60 and Dieties even i never > heard about it when started learning and exploring Astrology > > But with my serious intention to probe further and luckily i found some > useful info as i mentioned earlier. > > > > Well, long before when my Village Astrologer used to predict/guide the > seekers i remember he was using his old Panchangas and referring ONLY RASI > and NAVAMSA charts he did try to explain me then BUT i was not at all > interested at that time... But trust me when i started studying seriously i > only foucused on D1 and D9 Still continue the same..and found it to be > useful.. > > > > I am dead against for these so called celebreties and their charts some > gullible Astologers using them (celebrity Charts) and explaining (all > Postmortem)beutifully with fancy Astro lingos Yogas etc etc and making > public fool.... > > > > BUT in my personal view i don't just call/consider Dhrirubai Ambani and > for that matter Amitaab Bacchan as mere celebrities..for me THEY are Sheer > Hard Workers and Go-getters i observed their life events (rise/fall > contraversies srrounding them etc) right from my childhood thanks to my Rahu > MD and my Dad i came to know about Dhirubai long before when i was just > 15-16 yrs old...But then i was not at all aware of Astrology (as much as i > have now) and never looked from Astrological point of view...So they are > special to me and for my Astrology study..:-) > > > > I agree with you that you provided host of other > > celebrities/Businessmen Data for further study where Jupiter and Venus are > NOT in 3/11 axis yet they are OR we can call them succesful high achievers > wealthy etc.... > > > > BUT i can only request you and all who are interested in this thread > kindly Stick to this Jup and Ven in 3/11 axis and see the charts and > native's life vis-a-vis. Forget about the Amabani and Amitaab's Charts let > us look at our near and dear ones and whom we now personlly and tally their > actual and practical events and life happenings... if anybody has this > postions > > > > I am quoting this position again and i missed one point in my earlier > message... > > > > ***If Jupiter and Venus are in 3/11 in either D1 or in D9 or in Both the > person is Bound to get up-liftment in his/her life. If either of them (Jup > or Venus) happens to be Lagna Lord then it is sure shot result and sign of > Rags to Riches. Now that doesn't mean it will not work for the other Lagnas > But the quantum/degree of wealth creation may varies But surely there will > be a progress in native's life*** > > > > Note: I do not have any classics reference to back this up As this was > taught by one of the learned Astrologer to me and asked me to observe this > in as many charts as possible. if anyone in the group has any ancient text's > reference please do share... > > > > Dear Shri Ash Ji, > > > > I was reading your response to my post thank you for the same.. But to me > you are not sounding usual and i see some sarcastic comments.. as well. I am > surprised and was not expected this from a cheerful Teacher like you > honestly.... > > > > Sir, as far as me is concerned i have NOT touched or gave any full-proof > method of or in Astrology.. I shared What i learnt and what have been taught > to me by many learned persons read as Gurujis... > > > > Between > > > > Sir, in my humble opinion you (KAS) can better explain this above > positions of Jup and Venus in 3/11 axis as these are the Upachaya Houses and > and KAS deals and perhaps the principle of KAS are based on Upachaya > Houses.. > > > > Please correct me if i am wrong > > > > Regards > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear chandu ji > > > > Thanks for ur mail > > > > we can forget abt d-60 for time being and its ruling deities as diffrnt SW > ( even frm same makers ) giving diffrnt amsa rulers and dieties ur > observation abt jup venus and 3/11 position is very interesting > > > > so i request every one in grp to discuss such charts frm their > > possession and Known charts > > > > i dig up some charts But Birth time is not sure ,may b some r correct ,i > omitted all polititians max as many can incite controversy only but included > some which is curious > > > > Being celebrity charts the Birth time need not b correct > > > > prince charles -The heir to british throne -Nov 14th 1948 at 21.15 hrs > > London has jup venus in mutual kendra s ( venus also debilated ) > > Queen Elizabeth -11 ( The longest reigning Monarch of british Kingdom > > -April 21 ,1926 at 2 am London has venus and jup 2/12 and jup is > > debilated > > > > Balasaheb Thackeray -the Centre of gravity of maharashtra politics -jan > 23rd 1927 at 7 am hrs pune -same day and month of netaji Born i heard-has > jup and venus in mutual kendra s > > The fallen star of south indian politics Kum -jayalalita 24th feb 1948 > > at 15 hrs Mysore > > > > has jup and venus in mutual kendra s > > > > Sharad pawar -The aspirant for PM power --dec 12 th 1940 at 5.30 am > > Baramati jup and venus aspecting each other > > > > Sonia gandhi (The lady at 10 janapath ) a typical case of kangal yoga - > june 6th 1931 at 21 30 hrs Milan italy -,jup and venus together > > > > Raja Matha vijayaraje scindia oct 12th 1919 at 23 hrs Gwalior -jup and > venus 2 /12 > > > > arvind Mafatlal -april 4th 1918 at 1.45 hrs Ahmedabad jup ,venus in > > metual kendra s > > > > Capt Krishnan nair of Leela grp of Hotels 9th feb 1922 at 17 .20 hrs at > cannannore jup and venus in mutual Kona > > > > Kumaramangalam Birla ( birla empire ) 14th June 1967 at 8.45 hrs > > calcutta ,jup venus in lagna > > > > LaLa charath ram ( DCM grp ) 1st jan 1918 at 23 .30 hrs Delhi ,venus jup > in mutual kona > > > > Rai Bahadur Mohan singh Oberoi ( oberoi grp of hotels ) -15th aug 1900 > > at 00 hrs Lahora pak > > > > jup venus 6/8 > > > > Nusli wadia ( Bomay dying ) 15th feb 1944 at 13 .30 hrs Bomay -jup venus > 6/8 > > > > R P Goenka (was a leading indian business man ) march 1st 1930 at 8.45 > > hrs calcutta > > > > jup venus in kendra each other > > > > Rahul Bajaj ( hamara Bajaj ) 10th June 1938 at 5 .10 hrs calcutta > > Jup venus in mutual Kona Ratan Tata ( the real Tata breed frm tata stable > ) 28th dec 1937 at 6.30 hrs Bomaby Jup and venus 2/12 > > > > Shah rukh khan ( king Khan ) -nov 2 1965 at 02 .30 hrs delhi Jup venus > asepcting each other > > > > Imran Khan 25th Nov 1952 at 6 .45 hrs Lahore Jup venus in trikona s > > > > sachin tendulkar( Master blaster ) 21 -april -1973 at 1800 hrs at > > bombay Jup and venus in kendra s > > > > sure i find some charts Like saddam hussien has venus and jup in 3/11 > > axis now it is for grp to ponder over it > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Neelam Ji, and Ash Ji, > > > > > > > > As Ash Ji mentioned it is a special and rare Chart to study and find > > > out Astrological reasoning behind the Actual happenings in the native's > > > life. Any beginer/novice like me find it very ordinary or even predict > > > bad combination for all martial happiness let alone wealth creation.. > > > > > > > > Certainly it is special and challenging Chart for even > > > > seasoned/experienced Astro professionals as well. > > > > > > > > Well, having said that, i did little extra study on this chart long > > > before and was looking for some astro pointers for his success and his > > > life's journey in my initial study. Well, Sunil Ji, Neelam ji, and > > > others have given their valuale inputs, I would like to share some of my > > > findings.. > > > > > > > > 1) When the chart as per my understanding when applying the standared > > > dictums and even looking at SAV/BAV points and studying D1 and D9 > > > nothing was matching, his success and astro teachings/pointers were all > > > exactly reverse as Ash ji mentioned in his mail. Then one fine day i > > > found some very useful information on SJC website link i.e. Shri Visti > > > Larsen's Audio lecturer on " Shashti Amsa " D-60 and *Amsa Rulers/Dieties* > > > and their significations in this present life of the native and how to > > > study (i have 2 Audio files with me) and relate them. Thanks to Shri > > > Larsen, he has explained beautifully then immedialty i checked with > > > Dhirubai's chart with JHora 7.2 I saw his Lagna and LL Jupiter's both > > > amsa rulers/dieties are *Kubera* (Caution Note: present JHora 7.32 does > > > not show his Lagna Amsa ruler as Kubera instead is shows as Deva now.. I > > > do not know what is the reason may be some programming bug/calculation > > > mistake) > > > > > > > > And you see ALL his Lagnas are same!! > > > > > > > > 2) Second point is Rahu. Rahu in 3H in own Nakshatra and despositor > > > Saturn though in 2/12 postion but aspected by LL Jupiter from 10H A > > > ruthless self efforts (3H) coupled with strong intention to Make Money > > > and make use of Mass/Public's Money and thereby creating his own > > > wealth(2L Saturn in 2H) had lead him to take any amount of Risks Now > > > tell me who(Public) has not made Money by investing in his Company? even > > > Auto Drivers, Paan Shop-keepers especially in Gujarat Made huge Money > > > and profited. Even i and my father made Money... > > > > > > > > 3) Now the Astrological Secrete of his success, sustainance and grwoth > > > of his wealth you see just after Rahu Dasa ended his Jupiter MD started > > > in my humble opinion this Rahu Dasa and subsequent begining LL dasa > > > helped him in timely manner... BUT this is not the Secrete.. The Secret > > > is............... > > > > > > > > Jupiter and Venus. Two great benafics are in 3/11 axis. This is the > > > REAL Position of Rags to Riches persons PLEASE TEST IT VERIFY IT with > > > all your known chart(s) and persons degree of Richness may veri before > > > shooting me any questions on this please... > > > > > > > > If Jupiter and Venus are placed in 3/11 in D1 or in D9 or in BOTH D1 > > > and D9 This is a sure shot postion for up-liftment of the person That > > > person is BOUND to get and amass wealth. > > > > > > > > Now Check the Dhirubhai Ambani's chart in his chart Jup and Venus are > > > in 3/11 axis in both Rasi and Navamsa!!!! > > > > > > > > My 2 cents...hope this helps... > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > > > P S: for immediate verification of this secrete i.e. Jup and Venus in > > > 3/11 position please check the chart of another great man Mr. Amitaab > > > Bachhan.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji > > > > > > > > Thanks for raising many questions abt this chart > > > > > > > > Due to time constraints i dont hav much time to go tru this chart > > > ,other wise u know i will not stay back > > > > > > > > As triple lagna ( let us blv the BT and data is correct for time > > > being) will increase any small raja yoga s many fold ( sure we dont hav > > > any tool to measure the magnitude of success right now ) as neelam ji > > > also pointed out. > > > > > > > > 19 ( jhora ) or 20 points in SAV is generaly shows may b strt working > > > or earning frm that age shown in lagnashta varga as shri late patel ji > > > also pointed out as givn in Deva kerala > > > > > > > > also frm mars ( it is with nodes -so weak ) period onwrds we can see > > > a sort of anukul dasa s were running , rahu has a sort of raja yoga > > > > karakatwa in his chart ( since it can giv sani s effects and mars > > > effect too who is 5th L and Moola trikon stan is mesha rasi ) and sat > > > was also maraka for him > > > > > > > > may b other s ( frm diffrnt streams and back ground with their favrite > > > > sampradaya ) can go for it and explain it more effectivly > > > > > > > > if more events are known we wud hav argue more effectivly > > > > > > > > even has Gaja kesari yoga frm Moon and lagna also so many other yoga s > > > > ,sun and moon also has many yoga s ,also lagna lord in 10th House .2 > > > > benefic in 12th house is not a Laibility as it is a place of our > > > > investmnts ( except jup i blv in male charts ) and how we will invest > > > > our savings or how we will spend it ,so it will giv many fold effects > > > > in income frm wise investmnts .( malefic may giv wrong discission in > > > > investmnts ) ,also benefics generaly supports the house behind and > > > ahed it too (think abt theory of papa karthari yoga and Logic ) > > > > > > > > But if this is chart ,and without any info abt the nativ 's i dont > > > think very many astrologers will b ever successful in spelling results > > > > correctly we also never know also any of his family astrologer has > > > ever givn them any hint of his such rise in his chart b4 hand > > > > > > > > thanks and rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > if i get more quality time i will revisit chart again . > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Dear Shri Ash Ji, Thank you so much for your detailed explainations as per KAS indeed it was/is is very helpful.. i have taken note of your this mail for my future study and reference...as i lost whatever little touch that i had earlier in KAS teaching But i have the KAS-WS... //Secondly I am not a teacher, I am just a member here who is taking part in a discussion.// Sir, referring you as Teacher is my personal comment/opinion in fact Many of the forum Members here i consider them as my Teachers i don't want to make it look like too much personal or overshow from my side so i am sorry if i made a mistake by calling you as Teacher.. Rest assured all your other points are taken with due respect.. Regards Chandu2Chill , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Chandu ji, > > Firstly my mail was supposed to be in light humor and people who read my > post I hoped would just laugh. Hence the " LOL " in the last line of my mail > (btw all work and no play makes jack a dull boy lol). > > Secondly I am not a teacher, I am just a member here who is taking part in a > discussion. > > Thirdly, Dear Chandu ji, 3rd and 11th house are straight forward. I think > there was a discussion here or maybe on KAS list I don't remember now. > > 3rd is 10th from 6th house. 6th house is that of Job, health etc etc. So > we will stick to Job angles as that's what your focus is. > > 3rd is 10th from 6th of as we say House D. > > 11th is 6th from 6th and we call that House E. > > 10th and 6th are most powerful upchay sthan as they are upchay from Phal as > well as Karak sthan. Karak for 6th house is 1st, and 3rd is 3rd from 1st > and 11th is 11th from 1st. > > Now, GENERALLY benefics have more than 4 bindus. Ve and Ju being benefics > GENERALLY have more than 4 bindus. Therefore when we add the layer of > Ashtakavarga, then we are brining in the other planets and their relative > positions from each other that means yogas they are forming in reference to > lagna and w.r.t planets. Now since you have mentioned 3rd /9th house i.e. > in reference to lagna then that portion we know and u can check that in the > individual BAV's charts for Ve and Ju in the points distrubtion for Lagna. > We also need to know where or what relation are the other 6 planets making > with Ve or Ju. > > Now any planet in D or E house or in this case 3rd and 11th with more than 4 > bindus will become very eager as well to deliver the result. 6th house is > the KARAK for 11th. The status (quality) of the 6th house will have its say > over the 11th house matters i.e income. i.e a person doing a menial job > will get his remuneration accordingly whereas a person doing a job as a CA > or some professional job, might be earning higher accordingly. > > Btw, this was my earlier question on Dhirubhai ambanis chart regarding how u > judge the quality / quantum. 6th house is also for social status. > > 3rd house is also upchay or 6th or House E from 10th house. Therefore 3rd > house is special that way as it is D for 6th and E for 10th. So it triggers > both. 11th house is D for 2nd and E for 6th so it triggers 2nd or wealth > and 6th. Same way planets in these house with more than 4 bindus means > planets that have good yoga support from other planets and lagna as well. > > Now, this is only for triggering 6th house. Now hard work and parakram is > 3rd house as focus and that is different from 6th house. For authority, > 10th house is of main focus and not 6th. Yes, 10th house is 5th from 6th or > House C i.e. its next generation (just as 1st and 5th are 1st is self and > 5th is child or the next generation and both have same nakshatras). > > Wealth is different again, with main focus on 2nd house, then 11th and 7th > become powerful upchay that aid in the generation and accumulation of > wealth. > > Deash, Kaal and Paatra is important as well. > Back in the old days, a very learned person and with nice family was > supposed to be a wealthy person, today the one with more bank balance. So I > hope u get the reference. > > From 1 planet in KAS we can't say anything because fundamentally we are > using ASHTAKAVARGA and for that we need all 7 planets and their position > from lagna to get full picture and then degrees to get navamsa and vargas > from which we get samdharmi. > > So we can just talk in General here. > > Another angle to study is that planets in 3rd house will make one work hard > as they will ASPECT 9th house. 3rd house is that of parakram and 9th is > opposite of that i.e. what we call " luck " so things happen without us > putting in a lot of effort. > > KAS101 Law - Planets aspecting House A, B and C WILL NOT GIVE THE RESULT. > > Therefore planets in 3rd house will all aspect 9th hosue thereby will not > give easy result so one will have to work for it. Same way 11th house is > self earned income and 5th house is unearned income so we attribute stocks, > gambling etc. Therefore plantes in 11th house will aspect 5th house so it > will not give unearned income, so one will have to earn it. > > Also note 5th and 9th are trines and they are upchay for 12th house the > house of ultimate enjoyment or Moksh. Everyone loves to have the dasha or > antra of trines don't they :-) lol... > > Yes, so in conclusion, we just cannot have a blanket statement staying that > there will be a rise from rags to riches without studying the full chart in > detail, but in general planets in 3rd and 11th house with more than 4 bindus > or the lords of 3rd and 11th will trigger 6th house which is service, job, > health, social status etc etc. > > Also at the same time, keep in mind that 6th house is also considered the > most malefic house. Therefore if other factors are there, then these 2 > house will increase 6th house malefic results. > > Laghu parasari I believe considers these to be malefic, in that connotation. > > > Hope that helps > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of Chandu2chill > Saturday August 15, 2009 2:28 AM > > Re: Jup and Venus in 3/11 position > > > Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Shri Ash Ji, > > Thank you so much for your feedback and other valuable Database to ponder > upon:-) and dig deep surely it will help for a student like me.. > > i agree with you on your explainations on D-60 and Dieties even i never > heard about it when started learning and exploring Astrology > But with my serious intention to probe further and luckily i found some > useful info as i mentioned earlier. > > Well, long before when my Village Astrologer used to predict/guide the > seekers i remember he was using his old Panchangas and referring ONLY RASI > and NAVAMSA charts he did try to explain me then BUT i was not at all > interested at that time... But trust me when i started studying seriously i > only foucused on D1 and D9 Still continue the same..and found it to be > useful.. > > I am dead against for these so called celebreties and their charts some > gullible Astologers using them (celebrity Charts) and explaining (all > Postmortem)beutifully with fancy Astro lingos Yogas etc etc and making > public fool.... > > BUT in my personal view i don't just call/consider Dhrirubai Ambani and for > that matter Amitaab Bacchan as mere celebrities..for me THEY are Sheer Hard > Workers and Go-getters i observed their life events (rise/fall contraversies > srrounding them etc) right from my childhood thanks to my Rahu MD and my Dad > i came to know about Dhirubai long before when i was just 15-16 yrs > old...But then i was not at all aware of Astrology (as much as i have now) > and never looked from Astrological point of view...So they are special to me > and for my Astrology study..:-) > > I agree with you that you provided host of other > celebrities/Businessmen Data for further study where Jupiter and Venus are > NOT in 3/11 axis yet they are OR we can call them succesful high achievers > wealthy etc.... > > BUT i can only request you and all who are interested in this thread kindly > Stick to this Jup and Ven in 3/11 axis and see the charts and native's life > vis-a-vis. Forget about the Amabani and Amitaab's Charts let us look at our > near and dear ones and whom we now personlly and tally their actual and > practical events and life happenings... if anybody has this postions > > I am quoting this position again and i missed one point in my earlier > message... > > ***If Jupiter and Venus are in 3/11 in either D1 or in D9 or in Both the > person is Bound to get up-liftment in his/her life. If either of them (Jup > or Venus) happens to be Lagna Lord then it is sure shot result and sign of > Rags to Riches. Now that doesn't mean it will not work for the other Lagnas > But the quantum/degree of wealth creation may varies But surely there will > be a progress in native's life*** > > Note: I do not have any classics reference to back this up As this was > taught by one of the learned Astrologer to me and asked me to observe this > in as many charts as possible. if anyone in the group has any ancient text's > reference please do share... > > Dear Shri Ash Ji, > > I was reading your response to my post thank you for the same.. But to me > you are not sounding usual and i see some sarcastic comments.. as well. I am > surprised and was not expected this from a cheerful Teacher like you > honestly.... > > Sir, as far as me is concerned i have NOT touched or gave any full-proof > method of or in Astrology.. I shared What i learnt and what have been taught > to me by many learned persons read as Gurujis... > > Between > > Sir, in my humble opinion you (KAS) can better explain this above positions > of Jup and Venus in 3/11 axis as these are the Upachaya Houses and and KAS > deals and perhaps the principle of KAS are based on Upachaya Houses.. > > Please correct me if i am wrong > > Regards > > Chandu2Chill > > > <%40> , " sunil nair " > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > Dear chandu ji > > Thanks for ur mail > > we can forget abt d-60 for time being and its ruling deities as diffrnt SW ( > even frm same makers ) giving diffrnt amsa rulers and dieties ur observation > abt jup venus and 3/11 position is very interesting > > so i request every one in grp to discuss such charts frm their > possession and Known charts > > i dig up some charts But Birth time is not sure ,may b some r correct ,i > omitted all polititians max as many can incite controversy only but included > some which is curious > > Being celebrity charts the Birth time need not b correct > > prince charles -The heir to british throne -Nov 14th 1948 at 21.15 hrs > London has jup venus in mutual kendra s ( venus also debilated ) > Queen Elizabeth -11 ( The longest reigning Monarch of british Kingdom > -April 21 ,1926 at 2 am London has venus and jup 2/12 and jup is > debilated > > Balasaheb Thackeray -the Centre of gravity of maharashtra politics -jan 23rd > 1927 at 7 am hrs pune -same day and month of netaji Born i heard-has jup and > venus in mutual kendra s > The fallen star of south indian politics Kum -jayalalita 24th feb 1948 > at 15 hrs Mysore > > has jup and venus in mutual kendra s > > Sharad pawar -The aspirant for PM power --dec 12 th 1940 at 5.30 am > Baramati jup and venus aspecting each other > > Sonia gandhi (The lady at 10 janapath ) a typical case of kangal yoga - june > 6th 1931 at 21 30 hrs Milan italy -,jup and venus together > > Raja Matha vijayaraje scindia oct 12th 1919 at 23 hrs Gwalior -jup and venus > 2 /12 > > arvind Mafatlal -april 4th 1918 at 1.45 hrs Ahmedabad jup ,venus in > metual kendra s > > Capt Krishnan nair of Leela grp of Hotels 9th feb 1922 at 17 .20 hrs at > cannannore jup and venus in mutual Kona > > Kumaramangalam Birla ( birla empire ) 14th June 1967 at 8.45 hrs > calcutta ,jup venus in lagna > > LaLa charath ram ( DCM grp ) 1st jan 1918 at 23 .30 hrs Delhi ,venus jup in > mutual kona > > Rai Bahadur Mohan singh Oberoi ( oberoi grp of hotels ) -15th aug 1900 > at 00 hrs Lahora pak > > jup venus 6/8 > > Nusli wadia ( Bomay dying ) 15th feb 1944 at 13 .30 hrs Bomay -jup venus 6/8 > > R P Goenka (was a leading indian business man ) march 1st 1930 at 8.45 > hrs calcutta > > jup venus in kendra each other > > Rahul Bajaj ( hamara Bajaj ) 10th June 1938 at 5 .10 hrs calcutta > Jup venus in mutual Kona Ratan Tata ( the real Tata breed frm tata stable ) > 28th dec 1937 at 6.30 hrs Bomaby Jup and venus 2/12 > > Shah rukh khan ( king Khan ) -nov 2 1965 at 02 .30 hrs delhi Jup venus > asepcting each other > > Imran Khan 25th Nov 1952 at 6 .45 hrs Lahore Jup venus in trikona s > > sachin tendulkar( Master blaster ) 21 -april -1973 at 1800 hrs at > bombay Jup and venus in kendra s > > sure i find some charts Like saddam hussien has venus and jup in 3/11 > axis now it is for grp to ponder over it > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > <%40> , " Chandu2chill " > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Neelam Ji, and Ash Ji, > > > > > > As Ash Ji mentioned it is a special and rare Chart to study and find > > out Astrological reasoning behind the Actual happenings in the native's > > life. Any beginer/novice like me find it very ordinary or even predict > > bad combination for all martial happiness let alone wealth creation.. > > > > > > Certainly it is special and challenging Chart for even > > > seasoned/experienced Astro professionals as well. > > > > > > Well, having said that, i did little extra study on this chart long > > before and was looking for some astro pointers for his success and his > > life's journey in my initial study. Well, Sunil Ji, Neelam ji, and > > others have given their valuale inputs, I would like to share some of my > > findings.. > > > > > > 1) When the chart as per my understanding when applying the standared > > dictums and even looking at SAV/BAV points and studying D1 and D9 > > nothing was matching, his success and astro teachings/pointers were all > > exactly reverse as Ash ji mentioned in his mail. Then one fine day i > > found some very useful information on SJC website link i.e. Shri Visti > > Larsen's Audio lecturer on " Shashti Amsa " D-60 and *Amsa Rulers/Dieties* > > and their significations in this present life of the native and how to > > study (i have 2 Audio files with me) and relate them. Thanks to Shri > > Larsen, he has explained beautifully then immedialty i checked with > > Dhirubai's chart with JHora 7.2 I saw his Lagna and LL Jupiter's both > > amsa rulers/dieties are *Kubera* (Caution Note: present JHora 7.32 does > > not show his Lagna Amsa ruler as Kubera instead is shows as Deva now.. I > > do not know what is the reason may be some programming bug/calculation > > mistake) > > > > > > And you see ALL his Lagnas are same!! > > > > > > 2) Second point is Rahu. Rahu in 3H in own Nakshatra and despositor > > Saturn though in 2/12 postion but aspected by LL Jupiter from 10H A > > ruthless self efforts (3H) coupled with strong intention to Make Money > > and make use of Mass/Public's Money and thereby creating his own > > wealth(2L Saturn in 2H) had lead him to take any amount of Risks Now > > tell me who(Public) has not made Money by investing in his Company? even > > Auto Drivers, Paan Shop-keepers especially in Gujarat Made huge Money > > and profited. Even i and my father made Money... > > > > > > 3) Now the Astrological Secrete of his success, sustainance and grwoth > > of his wealth you see just after Rahu Dasa ended his Jupiter MD started > > in my humble opinion this Rahu Dasa and subsequent begining LL dasa > > helped him in timely manner... BUT this is not the Secrete.. The Secret > > is............... > > > > > > Jupiter and Venus. Two great benafics are in 3/11 axis. This is the > > REAL Position of Rags to Riches persons PLEASE TEST IT VERIFY IT with > > all your known chart(s) and persons degree of Richness may veri before > > shooting me any questions on this please... > > > > > > If Jupiter and Venus are placed in 3/11 in D1 or in D9 or in BOTH D1 > > and D9 This is a sure shot postion for up-liftment of the person That > > person is BOUND to get and amass wealth. > > > > > > Now Check the Dhirubhai Ambani's chart in his chart Jup and Venus are > > in 3/11 axis in both Rasi and Navamsa!!!! > > > > > > My 2 cents...hope this helps... > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > P S: for immediate verification of this secrete i.e. Jup and Venus in > > 3/11 position please check the chart of another great man Mr. Amitaab > > Bachhan.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji > > > > > > Thanks for raising many questions abt this chart > > > > > > Due to time constraints i dont hav much time to go tru this chart > > ,other wise u know i will not stay back > > > > > > As triple lagna ( let us blv the BT and data is correct for time > > being) will increase any small raja yoga s many fold ( sure we dont hav > > any tool to measure the magnitude of success right now ) as neelam ji > > also pointed out. > > > > > > 19 ( jhora ) or 20 points in SAV is generaly shows may b strt working > > or earning frm that age shown in lagnashta varga as shri late patel ji > > also pointed out as givn in Deva kerala > > > > > > also frm mars ( it is with nodes -so weak ) period onwrds we can see > > a sort of anukul dasa s were running , rahu has a sort of raja yoga > > > karakatwa in his chart ( since it can giv sani s effects and mars > > effect too who is 5th L and Moola trikon stan is mesha rasi ) and sat > > was also maraka for him > > > > > > may b other s ( frm diffrnt streams and back ground with their favrite > > > sampradaya ) can go for it and explain it more effectivly > > > > > > if more events are known we wud hav argue more effectivly > > > > > > even has Gaja kesari yoga frm Moon and lagna also so many other yoga s > > > ,sun and moon also has many yoga s ,also lagna lord in 10th House .2 > > > benefic in 12th house is not a Laibility as it is a place of our > > > investmnts ( except jup i blv in male charts ) and how we will invest > > > our savings or how we will spend it ,so it will giv many fold effects > > > in income frm wise investmnts .( malefic may giv wrong discission in > > > investmnts ) ,also benefics generaly supports the house behind and > > ahed it too (think abt theory of papa karthari yoga and Logic ) > > > > > > But if this is chart ,and without any info abt the nativ 's i dont > > think very many astrologers will b ever successful in spelling results > > > correctly we also never know also any of his family astrologer has > > ever givn them any hint of his such rise in his chart b4 hand > > > > > > thanks and rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > if i get more quality time i will revisit chart again . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji and all Members, Thank you for your wonderful response. This is exactly the discussion that I was hoping and to get the opinion of all members. I would like thank everyone who has entertained my question and given their valuable inputs. I had a bit of time, during the past few days, so I took part in the discussion. If for any reason, I have offended anyone, then I would like to apologies. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash On Behalf Of Bhaskar Saturday August 15, 2009 10:32 AM To: Subject: Re: Jup and Venus in 3/11 position Dear Ash, What you wanted to say comes out strikingly. What I percieve of same. Though you are a very accomplished astrologer and a person who is well read so maybe I am wrong in my perceptions because I am just a ordinary astrologer who looks up several charts in a day without going in deep study of same due to professional committments and lack of time given to this study. But my take all the same . The Quantum would mostly depend on the persons circumstances and the society in which he grows up, lives and mingles with. For a Taxi Driver , a Gajkesari or a Raj Yoga appearing may make him in time to come the owner of 4 Taxis and he may employ 4 Drivers under him to run his Taxis. But he may not become the owner of the KingFisher Fleet of Airlines. For a MP, a Vipareeta Raj Yoga may get him the PM's seat in time to come. But he may not become Amitabh Bachhan to gain international fame and glory and his fame may be restricted to third world countries only. The fate Line in the palm is seen similiarly reaching the Mount of Jupiter in many persons hands , but for one it may end in a Career from a sweeper to a Clerk, while for the other it may end with a Good paper Merchant from being a raddiwala initially. regards/Bhaskar. , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Sunil ji, > > You have explained it very well and have highlighted some points that no one > generally talks about. > > Mostly everyone is talking about Yogas. Just for an example, 2 people have > Gaj kesari yog or for simplicity sake one of the Panch mahapurush yoga. > What will the quantum of that or quality of that? > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of sunil nair > Saturday August 15, 2009 7:11 AM > > Re: Jup and Venus in 3/11 position > > > > Dear chandu Ji > > > Thanks for ur post > > I was not giving any purticular opinion nor i was enforcing any ideas in the > name of astrology By saying let us forget D-60 > > The reason was in india each lagna On an average rises in 2 hrs each ,so 2x > 60 minits givs 120 Minits .so d-60 means every 2 minits Lagna may change and > so is planets evn .if u go to more higher varga s the diffrnce is again more > and u can visualise it . > > also i took ur statemnt in terms of logic ,i never asked even dictums of > jup ,venus in 3/11 > > what i was asking every one to see in normal charts and see the rise > happened esp Nativ with 50 or abov age . > > Other wise in celebrity charts we can endorese or establish any dictums as > there is so many in india and aborad in various fields . > > Bill gates ,Saddam huessien ,maharshi Mahesh yogi ,sai baba of putta parthi > and Harshad Mehta of Indian share market were few exmples which qualifies > the dictum u r mentioning .But we shud exercise caution here as so many > other planets also may b influeing the above said planets and we hav to see > how it makes or breaks a person . > > But same time majority dont qualify also > > so when we see a Baby chart can we spell this out -that is this a chart of > Billinaire only on this basis --that was my question as we are discussing > and trying to fine tune our skills same time accepting and respecting each > other . > > Hope i am clear here > > Even that is why I am asking grp to come with supporting or contradicting > charts with each every deviations of discussion s in grp > > but many is worried abt near and dear one s only and never bother to collect > charts of even neighbors or even frnds > > other wise we would hav 100s of charts required for each discussions for > every treads or sub treads . > > sure we r not adamant and wants only working results with every combo or > yoga we r discussing or its exceptions and other riders for such yoga s . > > Did u hear about athi manusha Yoga ?? ( jup and venus is constutiuent of > that yoga ) > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > , " Chandu2chill " > nanna_id2006@ wrote: > > > > Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Shri Ash Ji, > > > > Thank you so much for your feedback and other valuable Database to ponder > upon:-) and dig deep surely it will help for a student like me.. > > > > i agree with you on your explainations on D-60 and Dieties even i never > heard about it when started learning and exploring Astrology > > But with my serious intention to probe further and luckily i found some > useful info as i mentioned earlier. > > > > Well, long before when my Village Astrologer used to predict/guide the > seekers i remember he was using his old Panchangas and referring ONLY RASI > and NAVAMSA charts he did try to explain me then BUT i was not at all > interested at that time... But trust me when i started studying seriously i > only foucused on D1 and D9 Still continue the same..and found it to be > useful.. > > > > I am dead against for these so called celebreties and their charts some > gullible Astologers using them (celebrity Charts) and explaining (all > Postmortem)beutifully with fancy Astro lingos Yogas etc etc and making > public fool.... > > > > BUT in my personal view i don't just call/consider Dhrirubai Ambani and > for that matter Amitaab Bacchan as mere celebrities..for me THEY are Sheer > Hard Workers and Go-getters i observed their life events (rise/fall > contraversies srrounding them etc) right from my childhood thanks to my Rahu > MD and my Dad i came to know about Dhirubai long before when i was just > 15-16 yrs old...But then i was not at all aware of Astrology (as much as i > have now) and never looked from Astrological point of view...So they are > special to me and for my Astrology study..:-) > > > > I agree with you that you provided host of other > > celebrities/Businessmen Data for further study where Jupiter and Venus are > NOT in 3/11 axis yet they are OR we can call them succesful high achievers > wealthy etc.... > > > > BUT i can only request you and all who are interested in this thread > kindly Stick to this Jup and Ven in 3/11 axis and see the charts and > native's life vis-a-vis. Forget about the Amabani and Amitaab's Charts let > us look at our near and dear ones and whom we now personlly and tally their > actual and practical events and life happenings... if anybody has this > postions > > > > I am quoting this position again and i missed one point in my earlier > message... > > > > ***If Jupiter and Venus are in 3/11 in either D1 or in D9 or in Both the > person is Bound to get up-liftment in his/her life. If either of them (Jup > or Venus) happens to be Lagna Lord then it is sure shot result and sign of > Rags to Riches. Now that doesn't mean it will not work for the other Lagnas > But the quantum/degree of wealth creation may varies But surely there will > be a progress in native's life*** > > > > Note: I do not have any classics reference to back this up As this was > taught by one of the learned Astrologer to me and asked me to observe this > in as many charts as possible. if anyone in the group has any ancient text's > reference please do share... > > > > Dear Shri Ash Ji, > > > > I was reading your response to my post thank you for the same.. But to me > you are not sounding usual and i see some sarcastic comments.. as well. I am > surprised and was not expected this from a cheerful Teacher like you > honestly.... > > > > Sir, as far as me is concerned i have NOT touched or gave any full-proof > method of or in Astrology.. I shared What i learnt and what have been taught > to me by many learned persons read as Gurujis... > > > > Between > > > > Sir, in my humble opinion you (KAS) can better explain this above > positions of Jup and Venus in 3/11 axis as these are the Upachaya Houses and > and KAS deals and perhaps the principle of KAS are based on Upachaya > Houses.. > > > > Please correct me if i am wrong > > > > Regards > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear chandu ji > > > > Thanks for ur mail > > > > we can forget abt d-60 for time being and its ruling deities as diffrnt SW > ( even frm same makers ) giving diffrnt amsa rulers and dieties ur > observation abt jup venus and 3/11 position is very interesting > > > > so i request every one in grp to discuss such charts frm their > > possession and Known charts > > > > i dig up some charts But Birth time is not sure ,may b some r correct ,i > omitted all polititians max as many can incite controversy only but included > some which is curious > > > > Being celebrity charts the Birth time need not b correct > > > > prince charles -The heir to british throne -Nov 14th 1948 at 21.15 hrs > > London has jup venus in mutual kendra s ( venus also debilated ) > > Queen Elizabeth -11 ( The longest reigning Monarch of british Kingdom > > -April 21 ,1926 at 2 am London has venus and jup 2/12 and jup is > > debilated > > > > Balasaheb Thackeray -the Centre of gravity of maharashtra politics -jan > 23rd 1927 at 7 am hrs pune -same day and month of netaji Born i heard-has > jup and venus in mutual kendra s > > The fallen star of south indian politics Kum -jayalalita 24th feb 1948 > > at 15 hrs Mysore > > > > has jup and venus in mutual kendra s > > > > Sharad pawar -The aspirant for PM power --dec 12 th 1940 at 5.30 am > > Baramati jup and venus aspecting each other > > > > Sonia gandhi (The lady at 10 janapath ) a typical case of kangal yoga - > june 6th 1931 at 21 30 hrs Milan italy -,jup and venus together > > > > Raja Matha vijayaraje scindia oct 12th 1919 at 23 hrs Gwalior -jup and > venus 2 /12 > > > > arvind Mafatlal -april 4th 1918 at 1.45 hrs Ahmedabad jup ,venus in > > metual kendra s > > > > Capt Krishnan nair of Leela grp of Hotels 9th feb 1922 at 17 .20 hrs at > cannannore jup and venus in mutual Kona > > > > Kumaramangalam Birla ( birla empire ) 14th June 1967 at 8.45 hrs > > calcutta ,jup venus in lagna > > > > LaLa charath ram ( DCM grp ) 1st jan 1918 at 23 .30 hrs Delhi ,venus jup > in mutual kona > > > > Rai Bahadur Mohan singh Oberoi ( oberoi grp of hotels ) -15th aug 1900 > > at 00 hrs Lahora pak > > > > jup venus 6/8 > > > > Nusli wadia ( Bomay dying ) 15th feb 1944 at 13 .30 hrs Bomay -jup venus > 6/8 > > > > R P Goenka (was a leading indian business man ) march 1st 1930 at 8.45 > > hrs calcutta > > > > jup venus in kendra each other > > > > Rahul Bajaj ( hamara Bajaj ) 10th June 1938 at 5 .10 hrs calcutta > > Jup venus in mutual Kona Ratan Tata ( the real Tata breed frm tata stable > ) 28th dec 1937 at 6.30 hrs Bomaby Jup and venus 2/12 > > > > Shah rukh khan ( king Khan ) -nov 2 1965 at 02 .30 hrs delhi Jup venus > asepcting each other > > > > Imran Khan 25th Nov 1952 at 6 .45 hrs Lahore Jup venus in trikona s > > > > sachin tendulkar( Master blaster ) 21 -april -1973 at 1800 hrs at > > bombay Jup and venus in kendra s > > > > sure i find some charts Like saddam hussien has venus and jup in 3/11 > > axis now it is for grp to ponder over it > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > , " Chandu2chill " > > > <nanna_id2006@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Shri Sunil Ji, Neelam Ji, and Ash Ji, > > > > > > > > As Ash Ji mentioned it is a special and rare Chart to study and find > > > out Astrological reasoning behind the Actual happenings in the native's > > > life. Any beginer/novice like me find it very ordinary or even predict > > > bad combination for all martial happiness let alone wealth creation.. > > > > > > > > Certainly it is special and challenging Chart for even > > > > seasoned/experienced Astro professionals as well. > > > > > > > > Well, having said that, i did little extra study on this chart long > > > before and was looking for some astro pointers for his success and his > > > life's journey in my initial study. Well, Sunil Ji, Neelam ji, and > > > others have given their valuale inputs, I would like to share some of my > > > findings.. > > > > > > > > 1) When the chart as per my understanding when applying the standared > > > dictums and even looking at SAV/BAV points and studying D1 and D9 > > > nothing was matching, his success and astro teachings/pointers were all > > > exactly reverse as Ash ji mentioned in his mail. Then one fine day i > > > found some very useful information on SJC website link i.e. Shri Visti > > > Larsen's Audio lecturer on " Shashti Amsa " D-60 and *Amsa Rulers/Dieties* > > > and their significations in this present life of the native and how to > > > study (i have 2 Audio files with me) and relate them. Thanks to Shri > > > Larsen, he has explained beautifully then immedialty i checked with > > > Dhirubai's chart with JHora 7.2 I saw his Lagna and LL Jupiter's both > > > amsa rulers/dieties are *Kubera* (Caution Note: present JHora 7.32 does > > > not show his Lagna Amsa ruler as Kubera instead is shows as Deva now.. I > > > do not know what is the reason may be some programming bug/calculation > > > mistake) > > > > > > > > And you see ALL his Lagnas are same!! > > > > > > > > 2) Second point is Rahu. Rahu in 3H in own Nakshatra and despositor > > > Saturn though in 2/12 postion but aspected by LL Jupiter from 10H A > > > ruthless self efforts (3H) coupled with strong intention to Make Money > > > and make use of Mass/Public's Money and thereby creating his own > > > wealth(2L Saturn in 2H) had lead him to take any amount of Risks Now > > > tell me who(Public) has not made Money by investing in his Company? even > > > Auto Drivers, Paan Shop-keepers especially in Gujarat Made huge Money > > > and profited. Even i and my father made Money... > > > > > > > > 3) Now the Astrological Secrete of his success, sustainance and grwoth > > > of his wealth you see just after Rahu Dasa ended his Jupiter MD started > > > in my humble opinion this Rahu Dasa and subsequent begining LL dasa > > > helped him in timely manner... BUT this is not the Secrete.. The Secret > > > is............... > > > > > > > > Jupiter and Venus. Two great benafics are in 3/11 axis. This is the > > > REAL Position of Rags to Riches persons PLEASE TEST IT VERIFY IT with > > > all your known chart(s) and persons degree of Richness may veri before > > > shooting me any questions on this please... > > > > > > > > If Jupiter and Venus are placed in 3/11 in D1 or in D9 or in BOTH D1 > > > and D9 This is a sure shot postion for up-liftment of the person That > > > person is BOUND to get and amass wealth. > > > > > > > > Now Check the Dhirubhai Ambani's chart in his chart Jup and Venus are > > > in 3/11 axis in both Rasi and Navamsa!!!! > > > > > > > > My 2 cents...hope this helps... > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Chandu2Chill > > > > > > > > P S: for immediate verification of this secrete i.e. Jup and Venus in > > > 3/11 position please check the chart of another great man Mr. Amitaab > > > Bachhan.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ash ji > > > > > > > > Thanks for raising many questions abt this chart > > > > > > > > Due to time constraints i dont hav much time to go tru this chart > > > ,other wise u know i will not stay back > > > > > > > > As triple lagna ( let us blv the BT and data is correct for time > > > being) will increase any small raja yoga s many fold ( sure we dont hav > > > any tool to measure the magnitude of success right now ) as neelam ji > > > also pointed out. > > > > > > > > 19 ( jhora ) or 20 points in SAV is generaly shows may b strt working > > > or earning frm that age shown in lagnashta varga as shri late patel ji > > > also pointed out as givn in Deva kerala > > > > > > > > also frm mars ( it is with nodes -so weak ) period onwrds we can see > > > a sort of anukul dasa s were running , rahu has a sort of raja yoga > > > > karakatwa in his chart ( since it can giv sani s effects and mars > > > effect too who is 5th L and Moola trikon stan is mesha rasi ) and sat > > > was also maraka for him > > > > > > > > may b other s ( frm diffrnt streams and back ground with their favrite > > > > sampradaya ) can go for it and explain it more effectivly > > > > > > > > if more events are known we wud hav argue more effectivly > > > > > > > > even has Gaja kesari yoga frm Moon and lagna also so many other yoga s > > > > ,sun and moon also has many yoga s ,also lagna lord in 10th House .2 > > > > benefic in 12th house is not a Laibility as it is a place of our > > > > investmnts ( except jup i blv in male charts ) and how we will invest > > > > our savings or how we will spend it ,so it will giv many fold effects > > > > in income frm wise investmnts .( malefic may giv wrong discission in > > > > investmnts ) ,also benefics generaly supports the house behind and > > > ahed it too (think abt theory of papa karthari yoga and Logic ) > > > > > > > > But if this is chart ,and without any info abt the nativ 's i dont > > > think very many astrologers will b ever successful in spelling results > > > > correctly we also never know also any of his family astrologer has > > > ever givn them any hint of his such rise in his chart b4 hand > > > > > > > > thanks and rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > if i get more quality time i will revisit chart again . > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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