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On the Authenticity

of the

Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

by Shyamasundara Dasa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[This article first appeared in the July and August, 2009, issues of The Astrological Magazine, Bangalore.]

 

 

How Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra became Gospel

 

 

Ever since 1984 with the publication of the first volume of Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra (Parasara, 1984) with translation and commentary by R. Santanam, Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra (henceforth BPHS)

has been successfully marketed to Vedic astrologers in India and abroad

as the preeminent text on Vedic astrology. Ranjan, the publishers,

described it as: "The Gospel Book of Hindu Astrology with Master Key to

Divination" (I coined the term "Vedic Astrology"

but had not yet popularized it until 1988). This reputation was further

cemented when Sagar published their superior edition of the same work

with translation and commentary by Sriman Girish Chand Sharma (Parasara, 1994).

The idea that one gets, especially for followers of Lord Krsna's Vedic culture, is that the modern edition of BPHS is a very ancient text dating back to the beginning of Kali-yuga (3102 B.C.). Hence, the views set forth in the BPHS are seen by many as sacrosanct, infallible and on par with sacred scriptures like the Vedas or Srimad Bhagavatam. And, hence BPHS is often quoted as pramana -- authoritative evidence -- in Vedic astrological discourse. But what is the real status of BPHS and the implications to Vedic astrology?

When

I first started studying jyotish in India in 1977-1983 there were very

few classic texts easily available in English. The main authors to have

translated texts were V. Subrahmanya Sastri to whom we owe translations

of:

Brhat Jataka

 

Brhat Samhita

 

Jataka Parijata

 

Sripatipaddhati

 

Phaladipika

 

Uttarakalamrita

 

Shatpanchasika

 

Prasnajnana

 

Jataka Tattva

 

Jatakadesamarga

 

Jatakalankara

 

Sanketanidhi

Horasara

 

(Most

of which have been pirated after his demise.) B.V. Raman though a

prolific author did not translate many books but the ones he did were

important in particular Prasna Marga. His grandfather B. Suryanarayana Rao translated and commented on several important classics including Brhat Jataka, Jaimini Sutras and Sarvartha Cintamani. This is not a complete list of translators and titles.

I remember from my early days of study that the "big five" main classical texts that the scholars in The Astrological Magazine eulogized and encouraged one to read and study were:

Brhat Jataka

Saravali

Sarvartha Cintamani

Jataka Parijata

Phaladipika

 

We note the absence of BPHS.

In The Astrological Magazine we read that in South India, especially Kerala, one was not considered a scholar of jyotish unless he had memorized both Brhat Jataka and Prasna Marga not BPHS. Brhat Jataka

was considered to be the jewel among astrological literatures and

indeed in my early days of study there were many translations and

commentaries on Varaha Mihira's Brhat Jataka. I

have already mentioned the translations of V. Subrahmanya Sastri and B.

Suryanarayana Rao, another excellent translation was by Swami

Vijnananda. A less valuable translation (in my opinion) was that of N.

Iyer which was later pirated and repackaged as authoured by Usha and

Shashi. Much later P.S. Sastri also did a translation of Brhat Jataka.

Indeed Brhat Jataka and its author Varaha Mihira were so famous and

adored by the Jyotish Pandits that when it came to eulogize Dr. B.V.

Raman he was honored by calling him the modern Varaha Mihira. BPHS as one can see from my narrative so far was hardly mentioned or popular.

 

 

First Encounter with Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra

Whereas today BPHS would be one of the first books a new student would be recommended to purchase I had barely heard of it what to speak of seen it. It was not until my third year of intense study did I stumble upon BPHS

in a university library in Kolkata in 1980. I came across it by

accident when I spotted it in the card catalogs. When the clerk

returned with the book I was enthralled and spent a long time looking

through it and taking notes.

 

 

The copy of BPHS I got in Varanasi.

 

The

book was a translation of some important chapters (not a complete

translation) by N.N. Krishna Rau and V.B. Choudhuri, published in 1962.

It was not well printed but the content mattered more to me than the

form it was in. I recall I was especially happy because for the first

time I could read an explanation of how the shodasavargas

were to be used. I had been trying to use shodasavargas since 1977 and

had even written a computer program to calculate them but was not

really sure how to use them as no texts up to that time gave

instructions on how to use them. I was also intrigued by the idea that

the author, Parasara Muni, had indicated that each of the planets was an expansion of a different incarnation of Lord Krsna.

I was determined to get a copy of this book. Unfortunately only about a

thousand had been made by mimeograph copying almost 20 years earlier so

it would be very hard to come by and no book sellers had heard of it.

By

my good fortune I was introduced by a friend to an old brahmana, Pandit

Dvivedi, from Varanasi who said he had a copy of the same book and

would give it to me. I made arrangements to stop in Varanasi on my way

to Vrndavana in August 1980 and acquired the book which I still have to

this day. I studied the book diligently especially the use of the

different vargas.

At that time while I

was living in Kolkata (1980- May 1981) I was studying Vedic astrology

with Sriman Harihara Majumdhar. I asked him what his opinion was of BPHS, I remember that he startled me by saying that unlike other well known texts BPHS

started appearing only recently in the 1930-40s and that there was no

standard version in Bengali. It was not till much later that I

understood the significance of his statement.

In

1982 I was living and studying jyotish in Bangalore and

Thiruvanantampuram. I recall having a discussion with my astrology

teacher Sriman B.G. Sashikanta Jain regarding which system of house

division should be used, one choice was for unequal house division

based on statements of BPHS another was for Bhava = Rasi based on Brhat Jataka 1.4. The thing that I remember was that I was wondering how these two texts could give different views.

Later

in 1982 I was discussing with my jyotish guru, Sriman B.G. Sashikanta

Jain, about the lack of classical works translated into English. We

made up a list of desired texts including BPHS.

I then I wrote a letter to Mr. Goel one of the owners of Ranjan

Publications in Delhi submitting my desideratum. I never got a reply

but I was more than pleasantly surprised when Santanam's translation

and commentary on Hora Sara came out later that year and 2 years later they came out with Santanam's translation of the first volume of BPHS. And, later Santanam translated and published a steady stream of texts, many of which had been on my list.

From this point onward, BPHS became the "bible of astrology" replacing Brhat Jataka as a primary authority on the premise that BPHS was the older text. I also followed this trend. However I was somehow disturbed by what I perceived to be a focus only on BPHS and the demise of the tradition of studying other classics especially Brhat Jataka among the younger astrologers especially those who got into astrology via the internet and had never visited India.

 

 

Doubts about Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra

In the summer of 1999 while reading B. S. Rao's annotated translation of Brhat Jataka with commentary of Bhattotpala (Mihira, 1986) I came across an interesting point in his commentary to the 7th chapter.

In Brhat Jataka 7.1 Varaha Mihira directly refers to Parasara Muni by the name of Saktipurva (son of Sakti). Later in Brhat Jataka 7.9. Rao mentions that the learned commentator Bhattotpala laments that while he has a copy of Parasara Samhita he was unable to acquire a copy of Parasara Hora which Mihira refers to in Brhat Jataka 7.1. This struck Rao as significant because it now made him doubt the authenticity of Jataka Candrika which is supposedly an abstract of Parasara Hora but much later than the time of Bhattotpala. On this basis Ajay Mitra Sastri (Shastri, 1969, p. 449) also doubted the authenticity of Laghu Parasari and BPHS.

Why is this significant?

Bhattotpala lived in North India on the same latitude as Ujjain (Mihira, 1986, p.560). Bhattotpala finished his commentary on Brhat Jataka on 888 Saka which is either 833 AD (Vikram) or 968 AD (Shalivahan) (Mihira, 1986, p. 68).

This was before the Islamic invasion of India with attendant

destruction of libraries, places of learning, decline of scholarship

and general decline of Krsna's Vedic civilization in North India.

His

writings indicate that he had at his access many ancient works of

jyotish, many of which we only know about because he quotes them in his

commentaries (Mihira, 1986, pp. 17-19).

It seems that he had access to various royal libraries in North India

particularly Ujjain which was the native place of Varaha Mihira. Yet

despite his living before the general destruction in the wake of the

Islamic invasion and having access to a vast quantity of jyotish

literature he was unable to see let alone acquire Parasara Hora quoted by Varaha Mihira. How

then is it that we are able to get it 1000 years later with all the

difficulties and loss associated with the passage of so much time?

Therefore there is great doubt as to the authenticity of the modern BPHS.

 

 

Importance of Brhat Jataka

In South India Brhat Jataka (and its commentaries) is held in the highest esteem, not BPHS. Why? Because of its many ancient commentaries by Bhattopala and others especially the Dasadhyayi of Talakkulathur Govindam Bhattathiri.

Visnu Nambudiri (fl. 1649 A.D.) the author of Prasna Marga, considered the master piece on Prasna literature, states the following, with notes by B.V. Raman:

 

Stanza 28. "Brhat Jataka by Varahamihira, though short, is a very suggestive treatise pregnant with ideas.

Though difficult to be comprehended by even intelligent persons, yet

with the aid of the commentaries of Bhattotpala and others, it is

possible to understand the book.

NOTES: Compare Varaha Mihira's own admission, ... meaning that his work is "concise, of a variety of meter and full of meaning."

Stanza 29. "One wearing the garland of Varahamihira in his neck along with the necklace of Krishneeya can win laurels in any astrological assembly. [sic]

NOTES : Brhat Jataka deals with horoscopy and Krishneeya with Prasna. One well acquainted with these two books can, according to the author, safely claim good scholarship.

Stanza 30. "An astrologer who wants to make predictions should specially study Dasadhyayi carefully.

Stanza 31. "Without a thorough study of the Dasadhyayi, it would be difficult to make correct predictions. So say the learned.

Stanza

32. "One, who attempts to predict without studying the Dasadhyayi,

would be like a man trying to cross an ocean without a boat.

Prasna Marga 1.28-32 (Nambudiri, 1991, pp. 19-21)

 

 

 

No Ancient Commentaries on Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra

Another reason that casts doubt on the veracity of the modern BPHS is the complete lack of any ancient commentary on the text. The

oldest commentary known to me is that of Devacandra Jha's Hindi

commentary from the first half of the 20th century, that is, less than

100 years old. More recently are the previously mentioned English translations and commentaries of Santanam and Sharma.

Why are commentaries important from a historical perspective?

Commentaries

ensure that the corpus of the material in the text stays intact and

allows us to track changes in the text. For example we know that the Bhagavad Gita

has 18 chapters and 700 verses because all the commentaries from

ancient to modern have the same number. If someone were to publish an

edition of more or less than 700 verses it would be immediately

detected as spurious.

But if a work has

no commentaries then we can not know if there have been any changes to

the text unless there is some other system (such as ghanapata) of keeping the text from changing.

 

 

Brhat Jataka commentaries

We can have reasonable faith and trust in the authenticity of the present version of Brhat Jataka because there are a number of commentaries on this text some of them very ancient. These commentaries preserve the text and its structure in a way that is hard to do without commentaries.

Shastri (Shastri, 1969, p. 26) gives the following information about commentaries on Brhat Jataka:

 

"Alberuni (1.158) informs us that the Brihajjataka was commented upon by Balabhadra who flourished sometime before Utpala (Bhatattopala)."

 

Shastri then goes on to mention seven other commentaries some without the name of the authors.

 

Jagaccandrika aka Cintamani aka Vivrti by Bhattotapal

 

Jataka-vivarana by Mahidhara

 

Nilotpaliya -- not certain of the author

 

Prakasa by Nityaprakasa Suri

 

Dasadhyayi [Talakkulathur Govindam Bhattathiri]

 

Nauka aka Hora-vivarana aka Varahamihira-hora-tatparya-sagara

 

 

Subodhini

 

Kalyanraman adds:

 

"Brhat Jataka ... is stated to have more than twenty commentaries in Sanskrit itself, like Mudrakshari, Subhodhini, Sripatiyam, Bhatttopalavritti, besides, those in other languages. Dasadhyayi is one of such commentaries in Sanskrit, by Talakkulathur Govindam Bhattathiri. Perhaps next prominent one is Vivaranam of Rudra." (Kalyanraman, 2007, p. 203)

 

A recent Sanskrit commentary on Brhat Jataka is

Apurarthapradarsika by A.N. Srinivasaraghava Aiyangar, published by Adyar Library, Chennai, in1951.

 

 

How to tell what is authentic in Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra?

How to tell what is authentic in BPHS and what has been interpolated by later authors?

The first thing to consider is that Varaha Mihira refers to many previous and contemporary authors:

 

"Varaha

Mihira was an encyclopedic writer and naturally he refers to a host of

earlier or contemporary authors not only on astronomy and astrology but

on various other subjects also. His equally learned scholiast

Bhattotpala persistently styled him as 'the redactor of the entire

Jyotihsastra,' and the author himself makes his position clear in

[brhat Samhita] 9.7. He declares, 'astronomy and astrology are the

sciences based on Agama; should there be any difference of opinion

(among ancient writers), it would not be proper on my part to put

forward my view only; I shall, however, state the majority view.' The

result is excellent, and his works form a valuable treasure-house of

information about works and authors he consulted. His works assume

still greater importance from the fact that they are the sole source of

our knowledge about many works and their authors, but for these

references, might have irrecoverably been lost to us." (Shastri, 1969, p. 424)

 

In the same chapter Shastri gives a list of all authors consulted by Varaha Mihira for composing Brhat Samhita pointing out that Varaha Mihira quoted Parasara many times (Shastri, 1969, pp. 447-449).

And, in Brhat Jataka

(particularly chapter 7) Varaha Mihira names many previous scholars

whose works he is familiar with these include but are not limited to:

Maya, Yavana, Manitha, Parasara, Satyacarya, Visnugupta, Devasvami,

Siddhasena and Jivasharma.

As "the

redactor of the entire Jyotihsastra" it would necessitate Varaha

Mihira's extensive familiarity with the works of the authors he names.

Since he extensively quotes from the works of Parasara including his Parasara Hora Sastra we can presume his familiarity with its contents.

Varaha Mihira has extracted from these works the essence of what is important in Jyotish (Brhat Jataka 1.2) hence a comparison of the contents of Brhat Jataka and the modern BPHS may give us some clues as to what has been interpolated into the later.

We should also like to say that while a study of the Brhat Jataka will prove helpful in our search for the real BPHS it should not be our sole guide. There is Satyajatakam

by Satyacarya which is still extant and was held in esteem by Varaha

Mihira. Some works of the Yavana writers who also predated Mihira are

still extant. And Hora Sara and Saravali

will also be very helpful. These texts were all before the era of

Bhattotpala. After his era I would suggest that we can also gain

insight into the real BPHS from Sarvartha Cintamani and Jataka Parijata

which were written relatively shortly after the era of Bhattotpala and

in a region of India that had yet to experience the disruptions of the

Islamic invasion and attendant destruction of libraries. So it is

possible that these scholars had access to the real BPHS.

 

 

Obvious anomalies

House Systems

In the modern BPHS 5.20-24 we are taught how to calculate the unequal house system commonly known as the Sripati house system. However in Brhat Jataka 1.4 and Saravali 3.8 a different house system is taught where Rasi and Bhava are synonymous.

In this system which ever Rasi the lagna appears is the 1st Bhava, the

next Rasi is the 2nd Bhava, the next Rasi the 3rd Bhava etc. This is

still followed by many traditional astrologers especially in the matter

of Astamangala Prasna in Kerala. It is also the method used in Jaimini system. (Jaimini, 2006, p. ii) It is very obvious that this unequal house system was a much later interpolation into the modern BPHS. At some future date we will write an essay describing the faults of the unequal house system.

Remedial Measures

Chapters 88-97 of BPHS

appear to be interpolations. Why? The chapters deal with remedial

measures for various problems. The remedial measures that are

recommended include the worship of various planets, nakshatra devas and

other devas such as Siva and Varuna. This is completely contrary to what is known of the character and life of Parasara Muni who is known as a great devotee of Lord Krsna and His avataras.

Parasara was the father of an incarnation of Krsna (Vedavyasa), Srimad Bahgavatam 1.3.21. Maitreya states that Parasara learned the Srimad Bhagavatam from Sankhyayana and then he taught it to Maitreya, Srimad Bhagavatam 3.8.8-9. Parasara is also the speaker of the Visnu Purana. Both Srimad Bhagavatam and Visnu Purana

are considered Vaisnava texts. Strict Vaisnavas initiated into Vaisnava

mantras do not worship anyone other than Lord Krsna or His avataras as

explained by Lord Krsna in Bhagavada Gita 18.66

 

 

sarva-dharman parityajya

mam ekam saranam vraja

aham tvam sarva-papebhyo

moksayisyami ma sucah

 

 

"Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear."

This is explained in more detail by Srila Gopala Bhatta Gosvami in the introduction of his Sat Kriya Sara Dipika wherein he quotes various sastras to support his claim such as:

 

"As

a person desires to cross the ocean by holding the tail of a dog,

similarly an unintelligent man desires to deliver himself from the

material bondage by worshipping others, giving up Lord Hari."Padma Purana

 

These later interpolations also contradict what Parasara says in BPHS

chapter 2 wherein he describes the planets as being manifestations of

different avataras of Lord Krsna. (This section is consistent with the

known teachings of Parasara.) If he understands the planets to be

manifestations of Bhagavan Sri Krsna then it would be superfluous to

take shelter elsewhere than at the lotus feet of the Supreme

Personality of God Sri Krsna. Hence to find several chapters in which

we supposedly find Parasara Muni recommending practices totally at variance with his own teachings that he spoke in Srimad Bhagavatam and Visnu Purana naturally make us question their inclusion in any work he authored.

Absence of Jaimini

One thing that is obvious is the complete absence of any reference to Jaimini astrology in Brhat Jataka which covers chapters 6, 31-35 (and sprinkled in chapters 8, 9 , 41-42, and 44) in the modern BPHS (Parasara, 1994).

The absence of any reference to Jaimini's system of astrology in Brhat Jataka could mean one of the following:

Varaha Mihira didn't think Jaimini astrology to be useful.

 

Or, Jaimini's system was not found in the version of BPHS available to Varaha Mihira and was a later interpolation.

It

should also be noted that there is no mention of Jaimini system in the

vast majority of the classic texts. The following texts on Jataka are

Jaimini free:

Narada Purana

Yavana Jataka

Satyajataka (these three were before Varaha Mihira) Brhat Jataka

Hora Sara

Saravali

Brghu Sutra (date unknown)

Mana Sagari

Sarvartha Cintamani

Jataka Parijata

Phala Dipika

Hora Ratnam

Jataka Sara Dhipa

Shambu Hora Prakasha

Hora Makaranda

Bhavartha Ratnakara

Sanketa Nidhi

Jatakadesa Marga

 

It should also be noted that all the authors up to the time of Saravali lived before Bhattotapala and from an inspection of their works evidently had access to Parasara Hora and were much influenced by him yet they have no trace of Jaimini in them.

The only texts that I could find that had any trace of Jaimini were Uttara Kalamrta 1.4.34-45 which has some elements of a simplified Jaimini. P.S. Sastri estimates that Uttara Kalamrta is a fairly modern work written sometime after the 16th or 17th century AD (Kalidasa, 2005, p. iv). And, Jataka Tattva, (allegedly) authored in 1871 by Mahadeva, also uses some concepts of Jaimini such as atmakaraka -- Jataka Tattva 1.66 (Mahadeva, 1941).

What one notices about these two texts is that though Jaimini concepts such as arudha and atmakaraka

are used the framework is that of Parasara. Jaimini aspects are not

used. It appears to be a blending of what the authors thought most

useful in Jaimini added to Parasara in such a way as to not jar the

axiomatic system of Parasara as would be the case if Jaimini aspects

were also introduced.

The best known commentary on Jaimini Sutras is that of Nilakantha who is estimated by my Jaimini guru, Sriman Iranganti Rangacarya, to have flourished in the 17th century AD (Jaimini, 1995 p. i). We note that both Uttara Kalamrta and Jataka Tattva are contemporary or later than Nilakantha suggesting that he is their source on Jaimini in their works. This also strongly suggests that the chapters on Jaimini were inserted into the modern BPHS sometime after Nilakantha (17th century AD) by someone who was not an expert on Jaimini. We will comment why he was not an expert later.

The

fact that Jaimini astrology is absent in all ancient classical works

and only made its appearance after the commentaries of Nilakantha in

the 17th AD raises certain doubts about the Jaimini system.

Whereas,

Nilakantha only had access to the first two chapters of Jaimini with

others missing suggests that the work is much older than Nilakantha

since part of it is already lost.

Whereas, there are the Vriddhakarikas, and Vanchhanathiyam as well as other lesser known commentators such as Krsna Misra (Phalaratnamala) and Somanatha Misra (Kalpalata ) who are considered earlier than Nilakantha but exactly how much earlier is open to speculation (guessing).

Whereas, others such as Raghava Bhatta (Jataka Sara Sangraha) and Nrisimha Suri (Sutrartha Prakasika) are also from 17th century.

Whereas, works such as Jaimini Padyamritam, have not had their dates ascertained yet but seem to be no earlier than 18th century AD.

This suggests the following possible scenarios:

Jaimini

system is perhaps at most 1000 years old if we are very liberal with

the dates of the earliest commentators Vanchhanatha, Krsna Misra and

Somanatha Misra. Therefore Jaimini sutras are not from remote antiquity

like the original (not modern) BPHS.

 

Jaimini Sutras are of the same antiquity as Parasara but it was not included in the original BPHS.

Rather it was hidden for a very long time until they were brought to

public notice by the commentary of Nilakantha in 17th century.

 

Jaimini Sutras are of the same antiquity as Parasara but it was not included in the original BPHS. It was not popular with later astrologers and hence never included in their redactions of astrological texts.

 

We

do not consider option 3 likely since we see that soon after the

publication of Nilakantha's commentary on Jaimini sutras the authors of

Uttara Kalamrta and Jataka Tattva

used elements of this system in their work. And other authors in last

century before the modern "revival" of Jaimini have used Jaimini system

of ayurdaya (Ojha, 1972, pp.236-238).

 

 

Confusion created by "Jaimini" material in modern Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra.

We previously mentioned that the Jaimini material inserted into the modern BPHS was done by someone who didn't properly understand Jaimini Sutras. We would now like to briefly take up this subject.

My guru for Jaimini Sutra, Sriman Iranganti Rangacarya, translator and commentator of Jaimini Sutramritam with more than 40 years experience in Jaimini system, directly told me to strictly ignore whatever so-called Jaimini material is found in BPHS because it will simply lead to confusion and contradictions. One example should suffice to see what quagmire one can end up in.

Argala

as defined in the Jaimini School according to ancient commentaries can

only be applied to a specific planet which has achieved a certain

status by virtue of very clear criteria. I list them in increasing

order of importance (Jaimini, 1995 p.12):

A planet who aspects Janma Lagna.

 

A planet who aspects both Janma lagna and its 7th house.

 

The lord of the sign occupied by the Moon aspecting Janma lagna or Moon sign. He is called Kevala.

 

The lord of the sign occupied by the Moon aspecting Janma lagna and Moon sign. He is called Yogada.

 

A

planet aspecting Janma Lagna in Rasi chart and Navamsa lagna in Navamsa

chart or Drekkana Lagna in Derkanna chart. Also called Yogada.

 

A

planet aspecting Janma Lagna in Rasi chart and Navamsa lagna in Navamsa

chart and Drekkana Lagna in Derkanna chart. Also called Yogada.

Rahu and Ketu can not be aspecting planets in this scheme. Aspects are strictly according to Jaimini system.

In

1, 5 and 6 instead of Janma Lagna it can be 5th or 9th but it must be

applied consistently, by that I mean it must not be mixed together such

as 5th in Rasi and 9th in Navamsa. It has to be 5th or 9th in both.

Thus according to classical Jaimini School argala is only to be applied to what Sriman Iranganti Rangacarya calls the "aspecting planet." Whereas, in the so-called "Jaimini system" found in BPHS, argala is applied indiscriminately to all planets and houses alike.

It

would be beyond the scope of this essay to go into further comparison

between the actual Jaimini system and what is found in the modern BPHS.

To mix the two is to simply court disaster. One very senior astrologer

who had mixed the two sources confidentially told me that he had been

studying Jaimini system for more than 20 years and found it full of

contradictions and confusions, he lamented that: "I have wasted 20 years of my life studying Jaimini."

What to speak of the confusion that arises if you mix the real Jaimini system with what is represented as Jaimini system in BPHS even more confusion will arise if the student of Parasara system mixes in Jaimini methods indiscriminately. P.S. Sastri warns "If

the student of Parasara's text is not careful, he will mix up the two

systems and get himself in contradictions and confusions." (Jaimini, 2006, p. i)

And, Sriman Iranganti Rangacarya jokingly illustrated to me the effect of mixing Jaimini and Parasara.

Once there was a Telegu speaking man who also knew Sanskrit. A debate

was going on. At one point the proper answer to a question was "horse."

The man was so excited that when he answered the question he mixed up

the Sanskrit word for horse asva with the Telegu word for horse gurru and his answer came out as gasva

which was neither Telegu or Sanskrit and he lost the debate. So

Iranganti Rangacarya told me this is the result of mixing Parasara and

Jaimini. We again note that those texts like Uttara Kalamrta and Jataka Tattva

that did try to blend the two system took a very conservative approach

and only took from Jaimini (arudha and atmakaraka) what could be easily

assimilated into Parasara system and nothing (like Jaimini aspects)

that would clearly contradict the tenets of Parasara.

We

have only touched on the more obvious interpolations there are more but

it is beyond the scope of this article to go into further detail.

What is actually from the original Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra?

(For this we have used the Sagar edition as the reference text.)

The following is not an exhaustive treatment

of the matter but only an introduction to further research. Hence, what

follows will have to be adjusted and refined by more intense scrutiny.

The portions in the modern BPHS that appear to be from the original text are:

The opening chapters (1-2) dealing with the creation of the universe and the incarnations of Lord Krsna.

 

The sections dealing with basic descriptions of the Grahas, Rasis, Bhavas and Shodasavargas; chapters 3, 4, 7, 8, 13-25

 

The

intricate mathematical analysis of planetary positions yielding the

diagnostic techniques of Shadbala, Vimshopaka, Ishta and Kashta, etc.;

chapter 28-30.

 

Various classes of Avasthas for determining the effect of the planets; chapter 47.

 

The effects of each house lord in different houses; chapter 26.

 

Yoga Karakas; chapter 36. And, Marakas; chapter 46.

 

Ayurdaya; chapter 45.

 

Astakavarga; chapters 68-74. But see my later comment on this topic.

 

Udu

Dasa system (based on the nakshatras). Although Varaha Mihira and

Kalyana Varma both espouse Mula Dasa rather than Udu Dasa this is not

an issue since they confine themselves to only one Dasa system while

Parasara gives many. Also we know that Udu Dasa system is older than Varaha Mihira

because Satyacarya, whom Varaha Mihira admired and quoted from

extensively, used Vimshottari Mahadasa and Prithuyasasha the son of

Varaha Mihira though writing on Mula Dasa also includes a short chapter

on Udu dasa in Hora Sara. However, the Rasi based Dasa systems in BPHS appear to be interpolations from Jaimini system.

 

The

section on Yogas; chapters 37-44 may have some original material from

Parasara but there also seems to be additions, notably the addition of

Jaimini methods which bring into doubt the source of this material.

 

Is the modern Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra useless?

Does

the fact that there are interpolations in the modern BPHS mean that it

is useless? No it doesn't mean that at all. However, one must be very

careful to separate the interpolations from the real thing. Also there

may be other techniques such as Sudarshan Chakra which may or may not be in the original BPHS but may still be valuable, they just need to be tested but not accepted blindly.

There was a real BPHS

but we don't know exactly what it contained and can only guess and try

to reconstruct its contents by examining the works of later authors

like Satyacarya, Yavanas, Varaha Mihira, Prithuyashas and Kalyana Varma

who had actually seen it. Others like Venkatesa Dikshita author of Sarvartha Cintamani and Vaidyanatha Dikshita author of Jataka Parijata could also be useful. The real BPHS

is either lost, covered by the accretion of foreign material not in the

original or hidden somewhere in some manuscript library.

There are millions of un-cataloged palm leaf manuscripts

in India rotting in different venues. Once while I was driving in Tamil

Nadu from Sri Rangam to Tiru-kottiyur we stopped at one of the many

almost deserted ancient temples. There I came across a rather large

room under lock and key whose walls were made of thick wire mesh

containing what looked like mounds of refuse. On closer inspection I

was horrified to see that it was actually tens of thousands of palm

leaf manuscripts lying loose and jumbled. Who knows what treasures were

contained in that mountain of palm leafs? They were probably being

eaten by various insects and rats. At least being under lock and key

they were not being burnt in cooking fires. The point being that there

are many such sites in India where treasures of ancient knowledge are

lying neglected and rotting.

 

Pramana

One thing that must be carefully noted regarding the modern BPHS and that is that it can not be used as a pramana (evidence) in any debate on techniques by citing it as an ancient authority.

In 1987-88 when I was working with MATRIX Software to create the first

professional Vedic Astrological software I found that there was a

difference in how astakavarga was calculated in the modern BPHS and Varaha Mihira's Brhat Jataka. I (wrongly) assumed that since the modern BPHS was older than Brhat Jataka then the values it gave for astakavarga must be the original values for that system. Now I would take the views of Brhat Jataka as having precedence over modern BPHS. The same principle holds for any contradiction between modern BPHS

and actual ancient texts. If a contradiction exists then it is likely I

would give more preference to the other text than to the modern BPHS.

 

 

Conclusion

Today what passes for BPHS

is definitely not the original. There is an important core of material

in it which seems to be part of the original text. More work needs to

be done by correlating what is found in jyotish texts from before 1500

A.D. with what is found in the modern BPHS to ascertain what is

authentic and what is interpolated. Jaimini system, unequal house

divisions, etc. were interpolated into the modern text. Great care must

be used when using this text especially when quoting it as pramana.

 

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Jaimini. (2006). Jaimini Sutram (Complete) (P. S. Sastri, Trans. Revised ed.). New Delhi: Ranjan Publications.

 

Kalidasa. (2005). Uttara Kalamrta (P. S. Sastri, Trans.). New Delhi: Ranjan Publications.

Kalyanraman, V. (2007). Indian Astrology an Appraisal (First ed.). Nagercoil, India: CHB Publications.

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Ojha, G. K. (1972). Predictive Astrology of the Hindus. Gurgaon: Srhi Gopesh Kumar Pratishthan.

 

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Dear Sreenadh Ji,

 

Thanks for this timely article, by Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji. If you remember I brought this question up a few weeks ago in an email, and you had replied to that, in a similar vein. Shri Das Ji has laid it out so beautifully, but, even to me, some one who has not studied astrology for decades, some obvious questions came to mind (which I voiced in that original email). One of the questions was so fundamental and I restate that with a permise:

 

1. In my search for authentic teachers, aside from some absolutely brilliant self-taught Genius like Shri K N Rao, the most authentic teachers seem to come from, true and valid oral traditions.

 

2. I searched for such traditions and was able to identify two such traditions on North America - Both these teachers are very low key and have very few serious students (less than 10). Unfortunately due to the extradionary commitment that is required, I feel unable to follow them, full fledged. (I avoid mentioning names for obvious reasons).

 

3. I was struck by the fact that BOTH these teachers had an unanimous message: BPHS was a compilation and not an original work. If you take BPHS as a Gospel, you have NOT studied Ancient Indian Astrology, in its full form.

 

4. Also unanimous was their stand that Parasara and Jaimini streams were distinct and separate and in their oral tradition there was NO question of mixing the two methods. So any such mixture needs to be construed as experimental.

 

5. However both these teachers did say that BPHS had some very useful and instructive teaching tools, which, when combined with study of all the other traditional literature (that Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji mentions and may be even more) enhances the study of the subject.

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:30:15 AM On the Authenticity of the BPHS

Dear All, The following article is from: http://www.shyamasu ndaradasa. com/jyotish/ resources/ articles/ bphs.html Love and regards,Sreenadh============ ======

 

On the Authenticityof theBrhat Parasara Hora Sastra

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

by Shyamasundara Dasa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[This article first appeared in the July and August, 2009, issues of The Astrological Magazine, Bangalore.]

 

 

How Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra became Gospel

Ever since 1984 with the publication of the first volume of Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra (Parasara, 1984) with translation and commentary by R. Santanam, Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra (henceforth BPHS) has been successfully marketed to Vedic astrologers in India and abroad as the preeminent text on Vedic astrology. Ranjan, the publishers, described it as: "The Gospel Book of Hindu Astrology with Master Key to Divination" (I coined the term "Vedic Astrology" but had not yet popularized it until 1988). This reputation was further cemented when Sagar published their superior edition of the same work with translation and commentary by Sriman Girish Chand Sharma (Parasara, 1994).

The idea that one gets, especially for followers of Lord Krsna's Vedic culture, is that the modern edition of BPHS is a very ancient text dating back to the beginning of Kali-yuga (3102 B.C.). Hence, the views set forth in the BPHS are seen by many as sacrosanct, infallible and on par with sacred scriptures like the Vedas or Srimad Bhagavatam. And, hence BPHS is often quoted as pramana -- authoritative evidence -- in Vedic astrological discourse. But what is the real status of BPHS and the implications to Vedic astrology?

When I first started studying jyotish in India in 1977-1983 there were very few classic texts easily available in English. The main authors to have translated texts were V. Subrahmanya Sastri to whom we owe translations of:

 

Brhat Jataka

Brhat Samhita

Jataka Parijata

Sripatipaddhati

Phaladipika

Uttarakalamrita

Shatpanchasika

Prasnajnana

Jataka Tattva

Jatakadesamarga

Jatakalankara

Sanketanidhi

Horasara

(Most of which have been pirated after his demise.) B.V. Raman though a prolific author did not translate many books but the ones he did were important in particular Prasna Marga. His grandfather B. Suryanarayana Rao translated and commented on several important classics including Brhat Jataka, Jaimini Sutras and Sarvartha Cintamani. This is not a complete list of translators and titles.

I remember from my early days of study that the "big five" main classical texts that the scholars in The Astrological Magazine eulogized and encouraged one to read and study were:

 

Brhat Jataka

Saravali

Sarvartha Cintamani

Jataka Parijata

Phaladipika

We note the absence of BPHS.

In The Astrological Magazine we read that in South India, especially Kerala, one was not considered a scholar of jyotish unless he had memorized both Brhat Jataka and Prasna Marga not BPHS. Brhat Jataka was considered to be the jewel among astrological literatures and indeed in my early days of study there were many translations and commentaries on Varaha Mihira's Brhat Jataka. I have already mentioned the translations of V. Subrahmanya Sastri and B. Suryanarayana Rao, another excellent translation was by Swami Vijnananda. A less valuable translation (in my opinion) was that of N. Iyer which was later pirated and repackaged as authoured by Usha and Shashi. Much later P.S. Sastri also did a translation of Brhat Jataka. Indeed Brhat Jataka and its author Varaha Mihira were so famous and adored by the Jyotish

Pandits that when it came to eulogize Dr. B.V. Raman he was honored by calling him the modern Varaha Mihira. BPHS as one can see from my narrative so far was hardly mentioned or popular.

First Encounter with Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra

Whereas today BPHS would be one of the first books a new student would be recommended to purchase I had barely heard of it what to speak of seen it. It was not until my third year of intense study did I stumble upon BPHS in a university library in Kolkata in 1980. I came across it by accident when I spotted it in the card catalogs. When the clerk returned with the book I was enthralled and spent a long time looking through it and taking notes.

 

 

The copy of BPHS I got in Varanasi.

The book was a translation of some important chapters (not a complete translation) by N.N. Krishna Rau and V.B. Choudhuri, published in 1962. It was not well printed but the content mattered more to me than the form it was in. I recall I was especially happy because for the first time I could read an explanation of how the shodasavargas were to be used. I had been trying to use shodasavargas since 1977 and had even written a computer program to calculate them but was not really sure how to use them as no texts up to that time gave instructions on how to use them. I was also intrigued by the idea that the author, Parasara Muni, had indicated that each of the planets was an expansion of a different incarnation of Lord Krsna. I was determined to get a copy of this book. Unfortunately only about a thousand had been made by mimeograph copying almost 20 years earlier so it would be very hard to come by and no book

sellers had heard of it.

By my good fortune I was introduced by a friend to an old brahmana, Pandit Dvivedi, from Varanasi who said he had a copy of the same book and would give it to me. I made arrangements to stop in Varanasi on my way to Vrndavana in August 1980 and acquired the book which I still have to this day. I studied the book diligently especially the use of the different vargas.

At that time while I was living in Kolkata (1980- May 1981) I was studying Vedic astrology with Sriman Harihara Majumdhar. I asked him what his opinion was of BPHS, I remember that he startled me by saying that unlike other well known texts BPHS started appearing only recently in the 1930-40s and that there was no standard version in Bengali. It was not till much later that I understood the significance of his statement.

In 1982 I was living and studying jyotish in Bangalore and Thiruvanantampuram. I recall having a discussion with my astrology teacher Sriman B.G. Sashikanta Jain regarding which system of house division should be used, one choice was for unequal house division based on statements of BPHS another was for Bhava = Rasi based on Brhat Jataka 1.4. The thing that I remember was that I was wondering how these two texts could give different views.

Later in 1982 I was discussing with my jyotish guru, Sriman B.G. Sashikanta Jain, about the lack of classical works translated into English. We made up a list of desired texts including BPHS. I then I wrote a letter to Mr. Goel one of the owners of Ranjan Publications in Delhi submitting my desideratum. I never got a reply but I was more than pleasantly surprised when Santanam's translation and commentary on Hora Sara came out later that year and 2 years later they came out with Santanam's translation of the first volume of BPHS. And, later Santanam translated and published a steady stream of texts, many of which had been on my list.

From this point onward, BPHS became the "bible of astrology" replacing Brhat Jataka as a primary authority on the premise that BPHS was the older text. I also followed this trend. However I was somehow disturbed by what I perceived to be a focus only on BPHS and the demise of the tradition of studying other classics especially Brhat Jataka among the younger astrologers especially those who got into astrology via the internet and had never visited India.

Doubts about Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra

In the summer of 1999 while reading B. S. Rao's annotated translation of Brhat Jataka with commentary of Bhattotpala (Mihira, 1986) I came across an interesting point in his commentary to the 7th chapter.

In Brhat Jataka 7.1 Varaha Mihira directly refers to Parasara Muni by the name of Saktipurva (son of Sakti). Later in Brhat Jataka 7.9. Rao mentions that the learned commentator Bhattotpala laments that while he has a copy of Parasara Samhita he was unable to acquire a copy of Parasara Hora which Mihira refers to in Brhat Jataka 7.1. This struck Rao as significant because it now made him doubt the authenticity of Jataka Candrika which is supposedly an abstract of Parasara Hora but much later than the time of Bhattotpala. On this basis Ajay Mitra Sastri (Shastri, 1969, p. 449) also doubted the authenticity of Laghu Parasari and BPHS.

Why is this significant?

Bhattotpala lived in North India on the same latitude as Ujjain (Mihira, 1986, p.560). Bhattotpala finished his commentary on Brhat Jataka on 888 Saka which is either 833 AD (Vikram) or 968 AD (Shalivahan) (Mihira, 1986, p. 68). This was before the Islamic invasion of India with attendant destruction of libraries, places of learning, decline of scholarship and general decline of Krsna's Vedic civilization in North India.

His writings indicate that he had at his access many ancient works of jyotish, many of which we only know about because he quotes them in his commentaries (Mihira, 1986, pp. 17-19). It seems that he had access to various royal libraries in North India particularly Ujjain which was the native place of Varaha Mihira. Yet despite his living before the general destruction in the wake of the Islamic invasion and having access to a vast quantity of jyotish literature he was unable to see let alone acquire Parasara Hora quoted by Varaha Mihira. How then is it that we are able to get it 1000 years later with all the difficulties and loss associated with the passage of so much time?

Therefore there is great doubt as to the authenticity of the modern BPHS.

Importance of Brhat Jataka

In South India Brhat Jataka (and its commentaries) is held in the highest esteem, not BPHS. Why? Because of its many ancient commentaries by Bhattopala and others especially the Dasadhyayi of Talakkulathur Govindam Bhattathiri.

Visnu Nambudiri (fl. 1649 A.D.) the author of Prasna Marga, considered the master piece on Prasna literature, states the following, with notes by B.V. Raman:

 

Stanza 28. "Brhat Jataka by Varahamihira, though short, is a very suggestive treatise pregnant with ideas. Though difficult to be comprehended by even intelligent persons, yet with the aid of the commentaries of Bhattotpala and others, it is possible to understand the book.

NOTES: Compare Varaha Mihira's own admission, ... meaning that his work is "concise, of a variety of meter and full of meaning."

Stanza 29. "One wearing the garland of Varahamihira in his neck along with the necklace of Krishneeya can win laurels in any astrological assembly. [sic]

NOTES : Brhat Jataka deals with horoscopy and Krishneeya with Prasna. One well acquainted with these two books can, according to the author, safely claim good scholarship.

Stanza 30. "An astrologer who wants to make predictions should specially study Dasadhyayi carefully.

Stanza 31. "Without a thorough study of the Dasadhyayi, it would be difficult to make correct predictions. So say the learned.

Stanza 32. "One, who attempts to predict without studying the Dasadhyayi, would be like a man trying to cross an ocean without a boat.

Prasna Marga 1.28-32 (Nambudiri, 1991, pp. 19-21)

No Ancient Commentaries on Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra

Another reason that casts doubt on the veracity of the modern BPHS is the complete lack of any ancient commentary on the text. The oldest commentary known to me is that of Devacandra Jha's Hindi commentary from the first half of the 20th century, that is, less than 100 years old. More recently are the previously mentioned English translations and commentaries of Santanam and Sharma.

Why are commentaries important from a historical perspective?

Commentaries ensure that the corpus of the material in the text stays intact and allows us to track changes in the text. For example we know that the Bhagavad Gita has 18 chapters and 700 verses because all the commentaries from ancient to modern have the same number. If someone were to publish an edition of more or less than 700 verses it would be immediately detected as spurious.

But if a work has no commentaries then we can not know if there have been any changes to the text unless there is some other system (such as ghanapata) of keeping the text from changing.

Brhat Jataka commentaries

We can have reasonable faith and trust in the authenticity of the present version of Brhat Jataka because there are a number of commentaries on this text some of them very ancient. These commentaries preserve the text and its structure in a way that is hard to do without commentaries.

Shastri (Shastri, 1969, p. 26) gives the following information about commentaries on Brhat Jataka:

 

"Alberuni (1.158) informs us that the Brihajjataka was commented upon by Balabhadra who flourished sometime before Utpala (Bhatattopala) ."

Shastri then goes on to mention seven other commentaries some without the name of the authors.

 

 

Jagaccandrika aka Cintamani aka Vivrti by Bhattotapal

Jataka-vivarana by Mahidhara

Nilotpaliya -- not certain of the author

Prakasa by Nityaprakasa Suri

Dasadhyayi [Talakkulathur Govindam Bhattathiri]

Nauka aka Hora-vivarana aka Varahamihira- hora-tatparya- sagara

Subodhini

Kalyanraman adds:

 

"Brhat Jataka ... is stated to have more than twenty commentaries in Sanskrit itself, like Mudrakshari, Subhodhini, Sripatiyam, Bhatttopalavritti, besides, those in other languages. Dasadhyayi is one of such commentaries in Sanskrit, by Talakkulathur Govindam Bhattathiri. Perhaps next prominent one is Vivaranam of Rudra." (Kalyanraman, 2007, p. 203)

A recent Sanskrit commentary on Brhat Jataka isApurarthapradarsika by A.N. Srinivasaraghava Aiyangar, published by Adyar Library, Chennai, in1951.

How to tell what is authentic in Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra?

How to tell what is authentic in BPHS and what has been interpolated by later authors?

The first thing to consider is that Varaha Mihira refers to many previous and contemporary authors:

 

"Varaha Mihira was an encyclopedic writer and naturally he refers to a host of earlier or contemporary authors not only on astronomy and astrology but on various other subjects also. His equally learned scholiast Bhattotpala persistently styled him as 'the redactor of the entire Jyotihsastra, ' and the author himself makes his position clear in [brhat Samhita] 9.7. He declares, 'astronomy and astrology are the sciences based on Agama; should there be any difference of opinion (among ancient writers), it would not be proper on my part to put forward my view only; I shall, however, state the majority view.' The result is excellent, and his works form a valuable treasure-house of information about works and authors he consulted. His works assume still greater importance from the fact that they are the sole source of our knowledge about many works and their authors, but for these references, might have irrecoverably been lost to us." (Shastri, 1969, p. 424)

In the same chapter Shastri gives a list of all authors consulted by Varaha Mihira for composing Brhat Samhita pointing out that Varaha Mihira quoted Parasara many times (Shastri, 1969, pp. 447-449).

And, in Brhat Jataka (particularly chapter 7) Varaha Mihira names many previous scholars whose works he is familiar with these include but are not limited to: Maya, Yavana, Manitha, Parasara, Satyacarya, Visnugupta, Devasvami, Siddhasena and Jivasharma.

As "the redactor of the entire Jyotihsastra" it would necessitate Varaha Mihira's extensive familiarity with the works of the authors he names. Since he extensively quotes from the works of Parasara including his Parasara Hora Sastra we can presume his familiarity with its contents.

Varaha Mihira has extracted from these works the essence of what is important in Jyotish (Brhat Jataka 1.2) hence a comparison of the contents of Brhat Jataka and the modern BPHS may give us some clues as to what has been interpolated into the later.

We should also like to say that while a study of the Brhat Jataka will prove helpful in our search for the real BPHS it should not be our sole guide. There is Satyajatakam by Satyacarya which is still extant and was held in esteem by Varaha Mihira. Some works of the Yavana writers who also predated Mihira are still extant. And Hora Sara and Saravali will also be very helpful. These texts were all before the era of Bhattotpala. After his era I would suggest that we can also gain insight into the real BPHS from Sarvartha Cintamani and Jataka Parijata which were written relatively shortly after the era of Bhattotpala and in a region of India that had yet to experience the disruptions of the Islamic invasion and attendant destruction of libraries. So it is

possible that these scholars had access to the real BPHS.

Obvious anomalies

House Systems

In the modern BPHS 5.20-24 we are taught how to calculate the unequal house system commonly known as the Sripati house system. However in Brhat Jataka 1.4 and Saravali 3.8 a different house system is taught where Rasi and Bhava are synonymous. In this system which ever Rasi the lagna appears is the 1st Bhava, the next Rasi is the 2nd Bhava, the next Rasi the 3rd Bhava etc. This is still followed by many traditional astrologers especially in the matter of Astamangala Prasna in Kerala. It is also the method used in Jaimini system. (Jaimini, 2006, p. ii) It is very obvious that this unequal house system was a much

later interpolation into the modern BPHS. At some future date we will write an essay describing the faults of the unequal house system.

Remedial Measures

Chapters 88-97 of BPHS appear to be interpolations. Why? The chapters deal with remedial measures for various problems. The remedial measures that are recommended include the worship of various planets, nakshatra devas and other devas such as Siva and Varuna. This is completely contrary to what is known of the character and life of Parasara Muni who is known as a great devotee of Lord Krsna and His avataras.

Parasara was the father of an incarnation of Krsna (Vedavyasa), Srimad Bahgavatam 1.3.21. Maitreya states that Parasara learned the Srimad Bhagavatam from Sankhyayana and then he taught it to Maitreya, Srimad Bhagavatam 3.8.8-9. Parasara is also the speaker of the Visnu Purana. Both Srimad Bhagavatam and Visnu Purana are considered Vaisnava texts. Strict Vaisnavas initiated into Vaisnava mantras do not worship anyone other than Lord Krsna or His avataras as explained by Lord Krsna in Bhagavada Gita 18.66

 

 

sarva-dharman parityajyamam ekam saranam vrajaaham tvam sarva-papebhyomoksayisyami ma sucah

"Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear."

This is explained in more detail by Srila Gopala Bhatta Gosvami in the introduction of his Sat Kriya Sara Dipika wherein he quotes various sastras to support his claim such as:

 

"As a person desires to cross the ocean by holding the tail of a dog, similarly an unintelligent man desires to deliver himself from the material bondage by worshipping others, giving up Lord Hari."Padma Purana

These later interpolations also contradict what Parasara says in BPHS chapter 2 wherein he describes the planets as being manifestations of different avataras of Lord Krsna. (This section is consistent with the known teachings of Parasara.) If he understands the planets to be manifestations of Bhagavan Sri Krsna then it would be superfluous to take shelter elsewhere than at the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of God Sri Krsna. Hence to find several chapters in which we supposedly find Parasara Muni recommending practices totally at variance with his own teachings that he spoke in Srimad Bhagavatam and Visnu Purana naturally make us question their inclusion in any work he authored.

Absence of Jaimini

One thing that is obvious is the complete absence of any reference to Jaimini astrology in Brhat Jataka which covers chapters 6, 31-35 (and sprinkled in chapters 8, 9 , 41-42, and 44) in the modern BPHS (Parasara, 1994).

The absence of any reference to Jaimini's system of astrology in Brhat Jataka could mean one of the following:

 

Varaha Mihira didn't think Jaimini astrology to be useful.

Or, Jaimini's system was not found in the version of BPHS available to Varaha Mihira and was a later interpolation.

It should also be noted that there is no mention of Jaimini system in the vast majority of the classic texts. The following texts on Jataka are Jaimini free:

 

Narada Purana

Yavana Jataka

Satyajataka (these three were before Varaha Mihira)

Brhat Jataka

Hora Sara

Saravali

Brghu Sutra (date unknown)

Mana Sagari

Sarvartha Cintamani

Jataka Parijata

Phala Dipika

Hora Ratnam

Jataka Sara Dhipa

Shambu Hora Prakasha

Hora Makaranda

Bhavartha Ratnakara

Sanketa Nidhi

Jatakadesa Marga

It should also be noted that all the authors up to the time of Saravali lived before Bhattotapala and from an inspection of their works evidently had access to Parasara Hora and were much influenced by him yet they have no trace of Jaimini in them.

The only texts that I could find that had any trace of Jaimini were Uttara Kalamrta 1.4.34-45 which has some elements of a simplified Jaimini. P.S. Sastri estimates that Uttara Kalamrta is a fairly modern work written sometime after the 16th or 17th century AD (Kalidasa, 2005, p. iv). And, Jataka Tattva, (allegedly) authored in 1871 by Mahadeva, also uses some concepts of Jaimini such as atmakaraka -- Jataka Tattva 1.66 (Mahadeva, 1941).

What one notices about these two texts is that though Jaimini concepts such as arudha and atmakaraka are used the framework is that of Parasara. Jaimini aspects are not used. It appears to be a blending of what the authors thought most useful in Jaimini added to Parasara in such a way as to not jar the axiomatic system of Parasara as would be the case if Jaimini aspects were also introduced.

The best known commentary on Jaimini Sutras is that of Nilakantha who is estimated by my Jaimini guru, Sriman Iranganti Rangacarya, to have flourished in the 17th century AD (Jaimini, 1995 p. i). We note that both Uttara Kalamrta and Jataka Tattva are contemporary or later than Nilakantha suggesting that he is their source on Jaimini in their works. This also strongly suggests that the chapters on Jaimini were inserted into the modern BPHS sometime after Nilakantha (17th century AD) by someone who was not an expert on Jaimini. We will comment why he was not an expert later.

The fact that Jaimini astrology is absent in all ancient classical works and only made its appearance after the commentaries of Nilakantha in the 17th AD raises certain doubts about the Jaimini system.

Whereas, Nilakantha only had access to the first two chapters of Jaimini with others missing suggests that the work is much older than Nilakantha since part of it is already lost.

Whereas, there are the Vriddhakarikas, and Vanchhanathiyam as well as other lesser known commentators such as Krsna Misra (Phalaratnamala) and Somanatha Misra (Kalpalata ) who are considered earlier than Nilakantha but exactly how much earlier is open to speculation (guessing).

Whereas, others such as Raghava Bhatta (Jataka Sara Sangraha) and Nrisimha Suri (Sutrartha Prakasika) are also from 17th century.

Whereas, works such as Jaimini Padyamritam, have not had their dates ascertained yet but seem to be no earlier than 18th century AD.

This suggests the following possible scenarios:

 

Jaimini system is perhaps at most 1000 years old if we are very liberal with the dates of the earliest commentators Vanchhanatha, Krsna Misra and Somanatha Misra. Therefore Jaimini sutras are not from remote antiquity like the original (not modern) BPHS.

Jaimini Sutras are of the same antiquity as Parasara but it was not included in the original BPHS. Rather it was hidden for a very long time until they were brought to public notice by the commentary of Nilakantha in 17th century.

Jaimini Sutras are of the same antiquity as Parasara but it was not included in the original BPHS. It was not popular with later astrologers and hence never included in their redactions of astrological texts.

We do not consider option 3 likely since we see that soon after the publication of Nilakantha's commentary on Jaimini sutras the authors of Uttara Kalamrta and Jataka Tattva used elements of this system in their work. And other authors in last century before the modern "revival" of Jaimini have used Jaimini system of ayurdaya (Ojha, 1972, pp.236-238).

Confusion created by "Jaimini" material in modern Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra.

We previously mentioned that the Jaimini material inserted into the modern BPHS was done by someone who didn't properly understand Jaimini Sutras. We would now like to briefly take up this subject.

My guru for Jaimini Sutra, Sriman Iranganti Rangacarya, translator and commentator of Jaimini Sutramritam with more than 40 years experience in Jaimini system, directly told me to strictly ignore whatever so-called Jaimini material is found in BPHS because it will simply lead to confusion and contradictions. One example should suffice to see what quagmire one can end up in.

Argala as defined in the Jaimini School according to ancient commentaries can only be applied to a specific planet which has achieved a certain status by virtue of very clear criteria. I list them in increasing order of importance (Jaimini, 1995 p.12):

 

A planet who aspects Janma Lagna.

A planet who aspects both Janma lagna and its 7th house.

The lord of the sign occupied by the Moon aspecting Janma lagna or Moon sign. He is called Kevala.

The lord of the sign occupied by the Moon aspecting Janma lagna and Moon sign. He is called Yogada.

A planet aspecting Janma Lagna in Rasi chart and Navamsa lagna in Navamsa chart or Drekkana Lagna in Derkanna chart. Also called Yogada.

A planet aspecting Janma Lagna in Rasi chart and Navamsa lagna in Navamsa chart and Drekkana Lagna in Derkanna chart. Also called Yogada.

Rahu and Ketu can not be aspecting planets in this scheme. Aspects are strictly according to Jaimini system.

In 1, 5 and 6 instead of Janma Lagna it can be 5th or 9th but it must be applied consistently, by that I mean it must not be mixed together such as 5th in Rasi and 9th in Navamsa. It has to be 5th or 9th in both.

Thus according to classical Jaimini School argala is only to be applied to what Sriman Iranganti Rangacarya calls the "aspecting planet." Whereas, in the so-called "Jaimini system" found in BPHS, argala is applied indiscriminately to all planets and houses alike.

It would be beyond the scope of this essay to go into further comparison between the actual Jaimini system and what is found in the modern BPHS. To mix the two is to simply court disaster. One very senior astrologer who had mixed the two sources confidentially told me that he had been studying Jaimini system for more than 20 years and found it full of contradictions and confusions, he lamented that: "I have wasted 20 years of my life studying Jaimini."

What to speak of the confusion that arises if you mix the real Jaimini system with what is represented as Jaimini system in BPHS even more confusion will arise if the student of Parasara system mixes in Jaimini methods indiscriminately. P.S. Sastri warns "If the student of Parasara's text is not careful, he will mix up the two systems and get himself in contradictions and confusions." (Jaimini, 2006, p. i)

And, Sriman Iranganti Rangacarya jokingly illustrated to me the effect of mixing Jaimini and Parasara. Once there was a Telegu speaking man who also knew Sanskrit. A debate was going on. At one point the proper answer to a question was "horse." The man was so excited that when he answered the question he mixed up the Sanskrit word for horse asva with the Telegu word for horse gurru and his answer came out as gasva which was neither Telegu or Sanskrit and he lost the debate. So Iranganti Rangacarya told me this is the result of mixing Parasara and Jaimini. We again note that those texts like Uttara Kalamrta and Jataka Tattva that did try to blend the two system took a very conservative approach and only took from Jaimini (arudha and atmakaraka) what could be easily assimilated into Parasara system and nothing (like Jaimini

aspects) that would clearly contradict the tenets of Parasara.

We have only touched on the more obvious interpolations there are more but it is beyond the scope of this article to go into further detail.

What is actually from the original Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra?

(For this we have used the Sagar edition as the reference text.)

The following is not an exhaustive treatment of the matter but only an introduction to further research. Hence, what follows will have to be adjusted and refined by more intense scrutiny.

The portions in the modern BPHS that appear to be from the original text are:

 

The opening chapters (1-2) dealing with the creation of the universe and the incarnations of Lord Krsna.

The sections dealing with basic descriptions of the Grahas, Rasis, Bhavas and Shodasavargas; chapters 3, 4, 7, 8, 13-25

The intricate mathematical analysis of planetary positions yielding the diagnostic techniques of Shadbala, Vimshopaka, Ishta and Kashta, etc.; chapter 28-30.

Various classes of Avasthas for determining the effect of the planets; chapter 47.

The effects of each house lord in different houses; chapter 26.

Yoga Karakas; chapter 36. And, Marakas; chapter 46.

Ayurdaya; chapter 45.

Astakavarga; chapters 68-74. But see my later comment on this topic.

Udu Dasa system (based on the nakshatras). Although Varaha Mihira and Kalyana Varma both espouse Mula Dasa rather than Udu Dasa this is not an issue since they confine themselves to only one Dasa system while Parasara gives many. Also we know that Udu Dasa system is older than Varaha Mihira because Satyacarya, whom Varaha Mihira admired and quoted from extensively, used Vimshottari Mahadasa and Prithuyasasha the son of Varaha Mihira though writing on Mula Dasa also includes a short chapter on Udu dasa in Hora Sara. However, the Rasi based Dasa systems in BPHS appear to be interpolations from Jaimini system.

The section on Yogas; chapters 37-44 may have some original material from Parasara but there also seems to be additions, notably the addition of Jaimini methods which bring into doubt the source of this material.

Is the modern Brhat Parasara Hora Sastra useless?

Does the fact that there are interpolations in the modern BPHS mean that it is useless? No it doesn't mean that at all. However, one must be very careful to separate the interpolations from the real thing. Also there may be other techniques such as Sudarshan Chakra which may or may not be in the original BPHS but may still be valuable, they just need to be tested but not accepted blindly.

There was a real BPHS but we don't know exactly what it contained and can only guess and try to reconstruct its contents by examining the works of later authors like Satyacarya, Yavanas, Varaha Mihira, Prithuyashas and Kalyana Varma who had actually seen it. Others like Venkatesa Dikshita author of Sarvartha Cintamani and Vaidyanatha Dikshita author of Jataka Parijata could also be useful. The real BPHS is either lost, covered by the accretion of foreign material not in the original or hidden somewhere in some manuscript library.

There are millions of un-cataloged palm leaf manuscripts in India rotting in different venues. Once while I was driving in Tamil Nadu from Sri Rangam to Tiru-kottiyur we stopped at one of the many almost deserted ancient temples. There I came across a rather large room under lock and key whose walls were made of thick wire mesh containing what looked like mounds of refuse. On closer inspection I was horrified to see that it was actually tens of thousands of palm leaf manuscripts lying loose and jumbled. Who knows what treasures were contained in that mountain of palm leafs? They were probably being eaten by various insects and rats. At least being under lock and key they were not being burnt in cooking fires. The point being that there are many such sites in India where treasures of ancient knowledge are lying neglected and rotting.

Pramana

One thing that must be carefully noted regarding the modern BPHS and that is that it can not be used as a pramana (evidence) in any debate on techniques by citing it as an ancient authority. In 1987-88 when I was working with MATRIX Software to create the first professional Vedic Astrological software I found that there was a difference in how astakavarga was calculated in the modern BPHS and Varaha Mihira's Brhat Jataka. I (wrongly) assumed that since the modern BPHS was older than Brhat Jataka then the values it gave for astakavarga must be the original values for that system. Now I would take the views of Brhat Jataka as having precedence over modern BPHS. The same principle holds for any contradiction between modern BPHS

and actual ancient texts. If a contradiction exists then it is likely I would give more preference to the other text than to the modern BPHS.

Conclusion

Today what passes for BPHS is definitely not the original. There is an important core of material in it which seems to be part of the original text. More work needs to be done by correlating what is found in jyotish texts from before 1500 A.D. with what is found in the modern BPHS to ascertain what is authentic and what is interpolated. Jaimini system, unequal house divisions, etc. were interpolated into the modern text. Great care must be used when using this text especially when quoting it as pramana.

References:

Jaimini. (1995). Jaimini Sutramritam A Classic in Vedic Astrology (I. Rangacarya, Trans. Second ed.). New Delhi: Sagar Publications.

Jaimini. (2006). Jaimini Sutram (Complete) (P. S. Sastri, Trans. Revised ed.). New Delhi: Ranjan Publications.

Kalidasa. (2005). Uttara Kalamrta (P. S. Sastri, Trans.). New Delhi: Ranjan Publications.

Kalyanraman, V. (2007). Indian Astrology an Appraisal (First ed.). Nagercoil, India: CHB Publications.

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Shastri, A. M. (1969). India as Seen in The Brhatsamhita ofVarahamihira (First ed.). Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass.============ ======

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Dear friends,

So ancient indian astrology is all about condemining compilations of rsi as

avaiable to us now.We are forgetting life time efforts of Mr Pathak and others

astrologers who ran from post to pillar to collect pieces of manuscript /

compliation attributed to Parashar.

 

What we are discussing here? well even if Astrlogy flourished after parashar

and jaimini Why not to devote time to discuss astrological texts of other

reliable authers and principles as applicable.

 

The writings of ISCON asrologer are avaiable since long on net and posting here

servs what purpose, is a question worth pondering ?

 

Sorry i must go silent and wait for time when we can be in mode of discussing

ancient indian astrology.

Thanks.

RCS.

 

 

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh Ji,

>

> Thanks for this timely article, by Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji. If you remember

I brought this question up a few weeks ago in an email, and you had replied to

that, in a similar vein. Shri Das Ji has laid it out so beautifully, but, even

to me, some one who has not studied astrology for decades, some obvious

questions came to mind (which I voiced in that original email). One of the

questions was so fundamental and I restate that with a permise:

>

> 1. In my search for authentic teachers, aside from some absolutely brilliant

self-taught Genius like Shri K N Rao, the most authentic teachers seem to come

from, true and valid oral traditions.

>

> 2. I searched for such traditions and was able to identify two such traditions

on North America - Both these teachers are very low key and have very

few serious students (less than 10). Unfortunately due to the extradionary

commitment that is required, I feel unable to follow them, full fledged. (I

avoid mentioning names for obvious reasons).

>

> 3. I was struck by the fact that BOTH these teachers had an unanimous message:

BPHS was a compilation and not an original work. If you take BPHS as a Gospel,

you have NOT studied Ancient Indian Astrology, in its full form.

>

> 4. Also unanimous was their stand that Parasara and Jaimini streams were

distinct and separate and in their oral tradition there was NO question of

mixing the two methods. So any such mixture needs to be construed as

experimental.

>

> 5. However both these teachers did say that BPHS had some very useful and

instructive teaching tools, which, when combined with study of all the other

traditional literature (that Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji mentions and may be even

more) enhances the study of the subject.

>  

> Regards,

>  -Manoj

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Dear Manoj Chandran ji, You are absolutely right. Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji's article is the best article I have seen on this subject ever and I agree to it 100%. That is exactly my opinion as well. He puts it so beautifully and my regards to him for this beautiful and sincere article. Anyway, the truth is not generally liked by all, and especially by those who have a vested interest on the same - so never expect that those sincere observations by Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji will be accepted by the majority - it will not happen. Love and regards,Sreenadh , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh Ji,> > Thanks for this timely article, by Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji. If you remember I brought this question up a few weeks ago in an email, and you had replied to that, in a similar vein. Shri Das Ji has laid it out so beautifully, but, even to me, some one who has not studied astrology for decades, some obvious questions came to mind (which I voiced in that original email). One of the questions was so fundamental and I restate that with a permise:> > 1. In my search for authentic teachers, aside from some absolutely brilliant self-taught Genius like Shri K N Rao, the most authentic teachers seem to come from, true and valid oral traditions.> > 2. I searched for such traditions and was able to identify two such traditions on North America - Both these teachers are very low key and have very few serious students (less than 10). Unfortunately due to the extradionary commitment that is required, I feel unable to follow them, full fledged. (I avoid mentioning names for obvious reasons).> > 3. I was struck by the fact that BOTH these teachers had an unanimous message: BPHS was a compilation and not an original work. If you take BPHS as a Gospel, you have NOT studied Ancient Indian Astrology, in its full form.> > 4. Also unanimous was their stand that Parasara and Jaimini streams were distinct and separate and in their oral tradition there was NO question of mixing the two methods. So any such mixture needs to be construed as experimental.> > 5. However both these teachers did say that BPHS had some very useful and instructive teaching tools, which, when combined with study of all the other traditional literature (that Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji mentions and may be even more) enhances the study of the subject.> > Regards,> -Manoj

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Dear Srivastava ji, //We are forgetting life time efforts of Mr Pathak and others// Who is this Pathak ji, what is his contribution and how he crept into this discussion?!!//Why not to devote time to discuss astrological texts of other reliable authers and principles as applicable.// Will you advice us - what to discuss and what not to discuss! Please note that the net group rule is - if you are interested in what is being discussed by others then participate otherwise keep quite. If you are interested in discussing astrological texts of other reliable authers and principles as applicable - then what are you waiting for?! Why don't you start? Or are you waiting for others to spoon feed you and you to eat only?! //> The writings of ISCON asrologer are avaiable since long on net and

posting here servs what purpose, is a question worth pondering ?// Please, mind your language, and please don't resort to sarcastic personal abuses of scholars like Shyamasundara Das Ji. ISKON or no ISKON is something personal to him just like religion and caste - Here we are interested in astrology and NOT in your sarcastic personal comments on scholars. I would ask you - your posting servs what purpose ? I am yet to see any useful, contributing, informative mail from you - and you critisize others?! What is your creative contribution to astrology or to the discussions happening in this group? I find none, except negativity! //> Sorry i must go silent and wait for time when we can be in mode of discussing ancient indian astrology.// Yes, better you should! Casual talk and comments like the one you provide anyone can do - and is not useful or authentic at all. Please look at your contribution or lack of it and then only you have the right to state anything about the contribution of others or the group.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "R.C.Srivastava" <swami.rcs wrote:>> Dear friends,> So ancient indian astrology is all about condemining compilations of rsi as avaiable to us now.We are forgetting life time efforts of Mr Pathak and others astrologers who ran from post to pillar to collect pieces of manuscript / compliation attributed to Parashar.> > What we are discussing here? well even if Astrlogy flourished after parashar and jaimini Why not to devote time to discuss astrological texts of other reliable authers and principles as applicable.> > The writings of ISCON asrologer are avaiable since long on net and posting here servs what purpose, is a question worth pondering ?> > Sorry i must go silent and wait for time when we can be in mode of discussing ancient indian astrology.> Thanks.> RCS.

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Dear srivastava Ji Here the Post was abt the authenticity of what is available as BPHS in the Name of Rishi parasara today .Here No one was condemning rishi parasara where later compilers who were doing a rishi Ninda by ascribing every thing avilable till to day in astrology in the name of parasari So u hav to answer in the line of that discussion than calling any one as iskone astrologer .It was a pure discussion on academic grounds .If u hav a diffrnt opinions u r free to discuss it If u hav high opinion abt any pathak ji and all such persons u can call on them and ask abt this ,they will tell u the truth .Also ask them to apply in any chart of ur choice and ask them show proof of their Knowledge ( digested Knowledge without any trace of doubt as it was their own exprnce tru hadwork and observations ) in so called parasarian and jaimini systems ,did ever tried that ??Pls let us Know it after realy visiting them or communicating with them .Any one with Little sanskrit Knowledge can write Unlimited Books simply translating it ( esp after technological adavnce where even translating softwares are available and only need is u need command over english and all rest of world will think u r big astrologer as u wrote so many books ) ,But How many of this authors were realy digested the Knowldge or realy tested it other than giving another version like sukara prasava and we hav millions and millions of useless texts in astrology in english .( This was simply a conspiracy of publishers who dont want to giv their share to real gurus ,i heard even shri santhanam 's poor widow till today dont get any royalty in good amnt frm his books That also may b every year may b almost 5 lac new students r being enrolled in various astrologu classes or gurus or net forums ,even That is why shri KN rao has own publishing House ( also highly successful as a business Man ) and he never produced another translation than educating many in practical way after churning the astrological Knowldge and without giving burden of texts to new generation who has less time to involve in serious studies ,obswervation s or discussions ) do u hav any first hand exprnce with them ( pathak ji and others who ever produced Unlimited books ) even i dont Know any pathak ji has written any version of BPHS .XXXXXXXXXXXXXX Why not to devote time to discuss astrological texts of other reliable authers and principles as applicable XXXXXXXXXXXXX Sir ,u can strt that in this very grp and we will b with u always ,other wise we never condemned or cornered any one when discussing various other combinations ,systems etc ,he is allowed to discuss it in his favrite way of sampradaya wheter it is Parasari or jaimini or lalkitab or Kp or KAS or aruna samhita or ravan samhita ( can u show one post we tried to stop them ?? in past )Only problem i hav seen is they dont hav real courage to discuss it even tho it is their favrite sampradaya due to various resons and only KAS ppl or some KP ppl is realy doing it .ALL the rest is participating in theoretical discussion s only but shown a real chart u can see them No where .for ur information i repeat here i dont think this grp has of opinion that astrology was flourished very later after parasari or jaimin rishi ( un known era as mostly andra scholars has the system and sure varanasi may b having texts ) where as we blv it was dvlped even much b4 and in modern context due to various reasons the later texts r surviving .where as we dont hav any quotes or even many shlokas of many other previous jyothisha pravartaka s rgrds sunil nair pls No personal abuses r intented here and if any happened forgiv me for my launguage , "R.C.Srivastava" <swami.rcs wrote:>> Dear friends,> So ancient indian astrology is all about condemining compilations of rsi as avaiable to us now.We are forgetting life time efforts of Mr Pathak and others astrologers who ran from post to pillar to collect pieces of manuscript / compliation attributed to Parashar.> > What we are discussing here? well even if Astrlogy flourished after parashar and jaimini Why not to devote time to discuss astrological texts of other reliable authers and principles as applicable.> > The writings of ISCON asrologer are avaiable since long on net and posting here servs what purpose, is a question worth pondering ?> > Sorry i must go silent and wait for time when we can be in mode of discussing ancient indian astrology.> Thanks.> RCS.> > > , Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh Ji,> >> > Thanks for this timely article, by Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji. If you remember I brought this question up a few weeks ago in an email, and you had replied to that, in a similar vein. Shri Das Ji has laid it out so beautifully, but, even to me, some one who has not studied astrology for decades, some obvious questions came to mind (which I voiced in that original email). One of the questions was so fundamental and I restate that with a permise:> >> > 1. In my search for authentic teachers, aside from some absolutely brilliant self-taught Genius like Shri K N Rao, the most authentic teachers seem to come from, true and valid oral traditions.> >> > 2. I searched for such traditions and was able to identify two such traditions on North America - Both these teachers are very low key and have very few serious students (less than 10). Unfortunately due to the extradionary commitment that is required, I feel unable to follow them, full fledged. (I avoid mentioning names for obvious reasons).> >> > 3. I was struck by the fact that BOTH these teachers had an unanimous message: BPHS was a compilation and not an original work. If you take BPHS as a Gospel, you have NOT studied Ancient Indian Astrology, in its full form.> >> > 4. Also unanimous was their stand that Parasara and Jaimini streams were distinct and separate and in their oral tradition there was NO question of mixing the two methods. So any such mixture needs to be construed as experimental.> >> > 5. However both these teachers did say that BPHS had some very useful and instructive teaching tools, which, when combined with study of all the other traditional literature (that Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji mentions and may be even more) enhances the study of the subject.> > > > Regards,> > -Manoj>

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Dear Sirs,

I have great respect to ISCKON and people associated. I never

meant disrespect to any individual.Nor I have written so.

Only thing I was curious of pasting of some articles here.I saw these

writings many years before on net.

 

How Scriptres were maintained and compilations made avaiable to new generation

is a mystery to many.What publishers are doing is another story.I will not go

into it here.

 

I have not been personally associated with those pandits so my account could be

unauthenciated but in earlier days I get hold of BPHS around 1982 and it was

compiled by Sri Ganesh Dutt Pathak,the Head of department of Jyotish

(department of) Joshiram matrumal goenka degree college varanasi.It was

published by M/S Thakur Prasad Pustak Bhandar Kachoda Gali Varanasi.BTW It had

adhyanukram described in 14 slokas.

 

 

 

In these compilations auther describes how these tesxts were collected and

edited.

 

Moreover few Raj jyotishis and families had some Texts of RSI like Parashar &

jaimini in olden times as dowry and these were not avaiable to public as

astrology was not a subject to common people and Both these texts were meant

for disciple of traditions.

 

I belongs to same era when sri Shyamsunderdas was studying Astrology in India

but I was less devoted for I was in another profession ,In fact I have said

nothing bad about Sri Shyamsunder How some people read between lines is aweful.

 

Yes I have lot to share on astrology but Communication is possible

 

when conditions for its flow are possible.I just joined the list .

 

I am none to wish How list should run or what it is to discuss or what not.

 

Hope things become well for learning.

 

with best wishes to all.

 

RCS

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Dear Srivastav JI Thanks for ur post sure ,I was thinking a diffrnt Pathak ji whom i know tru one of my client and my cleint was after him to get some predictions ( by the by this client of mine has consulted almost all tall figures in astrology Known and unknown and can giv first hand reference abt any one ,as he has lot of money and lot of personal problems ,this includs all BV raman s kids ,to KK pathak JI ) His father has consulted and compiled all his kids charts with all leading astrologers of yore ,frm KP krishnamoorthy.BV raman to the 2 iyyers including PS iyyer -but i never had opportunity to go tru those predictions as it is with his father who is almost 90 yrs now .Even this fellow has flied down to mumbai or chennai or banglore to meet many many big names including sakuntala devi or Bejan daru walla or some kids even those who predicts with intuitions alone .So i had some vague idea abt modern day scholars called writers and astrologers and their efficencyso i was using that words finaly many writers also confessed to my client that they were merely writing those texts and they hav no ability to predict sorry if i took ur mail other context and meaning here we r just discussing what is the real content of BPHS I was having a BPHS in malayalam ( sreenadh ji is aware of it ) which wass not so volumnous like modern version and it was in pure sanskrit with malayalam script ( i found it in 1978 which is published may b very long back ( may b 75 yrs or more b4 it was printed by one of the oldest printing press in kerala but i forget its publication yr and author who wrote that in malayalam scripts--it was a Book i find discarded by publishers even and i got it for may b 2 annas those day s ) and i approached many to help me ( this includs even sanskrit university professors where as my time was not favrble as they dont took serious with me as i was so small and they thought it is my some fancy than real quest ) in its meaning but i was not succesful and those day s i was so young too ( i lost that old book while i was away frm india and my family was not gurading my Library properly this includs many manuscripts in mathematics,ayuveda ,martial arts ,marma and prashna too which i lost ) ,My guru scolded me and told me u can do it when u r some what familiar in astrology than b4 u realy understood it ( the fun was that those days even i dont Know names of 9 planets even properly and i was trying to lay my hand on parasari ) It is me who giv the "prashna anushtana padhavi "written by Punnassery nambi frm my collections to ( this text is realy appeared Much b4 prashna maarga ) kerala jyothisha society to publish it tho 100s of various gurus know it by heart but the text was not available .Sure the text may b lying with various families but it was not availble to public .Still many families has various un published oldest Known works with them but they still refuses even to see it one glimpse tho they may not b using it nor any one has any Knowledge abt it who ever is keeping it .pls feel free to write ur opinions ,views and we expect guidance frm u too at various discussions happening in grp rgrds sunil nair , "R.C.Srivastava" <swami.rcs wrote:>> Dear Sirs,> I have great respect to ISCKON and people associated. I never> meant disrespect to any individual.Nor I have written so.> Only thing I was curious of pasting of some articles here.I saw these writings many years before on net.> > How Scriptres were maintained and compilations made avaiable to new generation is a mystery to many.What publishers are doing is another story.I will not go into it here.> > I have not been personally associated with those pandits so my account could be unauthenciated but in earlier days I get hold of BPHS around 1982 and it was compiled by Sri Ganesh Dutt Pathak,the Head of department of Jyotish (department of) Joshiram matrumal goenka degree college varanasi.It was published by M/S Thakur Prasad Pustak Bhandar Kachoda Gali Varanasi.BTW It had adhyanukram described in 14 slokas.> > > > In these compilations auther describes how these tesxts were collected and edited.> > Moreover few Raj jyotishis and families had some Texts of RSI like Parashar & jaimini in olden times as dowry and these were not avaiable to public as astrology was not a subject to common people and Both these texts were meant for disciple of traditions.> > I belongs to same era when sri Shyamsunderdas was studying Astrology in India but I was less devoted for I was in another profession ,In fact I have said nothing bad about Sri Shyamsunder How some people read between lines is aweful.> > Yes I have lot to share on astrology but Communication is possible> > when conditions for its flow are possible.I just joined the list .> > I am none to wish How list should run or what it is to discuss or what not.> > Hope things become well for learning.> > with best wishes to all.> > RCS>

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Dear Srivastava ji, That is a nice and informative mail. We really expect many more such informative mails from you. //> Yes I have lot to share on astrology but Communication is possible> when conditions for its flow are possible.I just joined the list.// I appreciate your promise to share more on astrology. But was wonderstuck on seeing the statement //I just joined the list.// Ha..Ha.. Please don't lie. You have joined the group on May 29, 2009 8:38 pm and it is already 2.5 months gone. Good enough time to know the group with you reading the group daily digest every day. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "R.C.Srivastava" <swami.rcs wrote:>> Dear Sirs,> I have great respect to ISCKON and people associated. I never> meant disrespect to any individual.Nor I have written so.> Only thing I was curious of pasting of some articles here.I saw these writings many years before on net.> > How Scriptres were maintained and compilations made avaiable to new generation is a mystery to many.What publishers are doing is another story.I will not go into it here.> > I have not been personally associated with those pandits so my account could be unauthenciated but in earlier days I get hold of BPHS around 1982 and it was compiled by Sri Ganesh Dutt Pathak,the Head of department of Jyotish (department of) Joshiram matrumal goenka degree college varanasi.It was published by M/S Thakur Prasad Pustak Bhandar Kachoda Gali Varanasi.BTW It had adhyanukram described in 14 slokas.> > > > In these compilations auther describes how these tesxts were collected and edited.> > Moreover few Raj jyotishis and families had some Texts of RSI like Parashar & jaimini in olden times as dowry and these were not avaiable to public as astrology was not a subject to common people and Both these texts were meant for disciple of traditions.> > I belongs to same era when sri Shyamsunderdas was studying Astrology in India but I was less devoted for I was in another profession ,In fact I have said nothing bad about Sri Shyamsunder How some people read between lines is aweful.> > Yes I have lot to share on astrology but Communication is possible> > when conditions for its flow are possible.I just joined the list .> > I am none to wish How list should run or what it is to discuss or what not.> > Hope things become well for learning.> > with best wishes to all.> > RCS>

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

Some background information,

I am on net since 2000 or earlier.I have been a telecom engineer and been

associated with establishment of many telcom facilities like Internet ,video

conferencing ,Mobile communication etc that are common now a days in many

towns of India.

Now look your statement : I appreciate your promise to share more on astrology.

But was wonderstuck on seeing the statement //I just joined the list.//

Ha..Ha.. Please don't lie.

[:D] You have joined the group on May 29, 2009 8:38 pm and it is already

2.5 months gone. Good enough time to know the group.

 

Now for a person since 2000 on net where 2.5 months stand?

 

No dear , i was in Himalyas between 26 june to 17 july I had brain stroke and

was admitted to hospital at haldwani .Although i joined the group but I got busy

in getting purascharan performed for more than 15 days and later took

piligrimage to devi " s in Himanchal prades all before leaving for Almora on 25

th june.

 

It is funny to assume , that I am liying.No I dont have any reason to lie.I have

no need or want for any recognition from any one here or elsewhere .I did not

seek any ones appreciation for appreciation is false image in society read by

Arudh in astrology.I love astrology .It is my love to suject that has brought me

here.I have my own websites.Own clints and own students and I belongs to

parampara I have read almost all writings of Sri Rangacharya,Dr B.V.Raman,Late

P.S.Aiyer R santhanam and have huge collection of books and magazines.

Thanks for reading my mail.

Sorry for long introduction and concluding mail on this thread.

 

I wish please enjoy your cyber space created by your goodself here.

God bless all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Srivastava ji,

> That is a nice and informative mail. [:)] We really expect many

> more such informative mails from you. [:)]

> //> Yes I have lot to share on astrology but Communication is possible

> > when conditions for its flow are possible.I just joined the list.//

> I appreciate your promise to share more on astrology. But was

> wonderstuck on seeing the statement //I just joined the list.// Ha..Ha..

> Please don't lie. [:D] You have joined the group on May 29, 2009 8:38

> pm and it is already 2.5 months gone. Good enough time to know the group

> with you reading the group daily digest every day. [:)]

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " R.C.Srivastava "

> <swami.rcs@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sirs,

> > I have great respect to ISCKON and people associated. I never

> > meant disrespect to any individual.Nor I have written so.

> > Only thing I was curious of pasting of some articles here.I saw

> these writings many years before on net.

> >

> > How Scriptres were maintained and compilations made avaiable to new

> generation is a mystery to many.What publishers are doing is another

> story.I will not go into it here.

> >

> > I have not been personally associated with those pandits so my account

> could be unauthenciated but in earlier days I get hold of BPHS around

> 1982 and it was compiled by Sri Ganesh Dutt Pathak,the Head of

> department of Jyotish (department of) Joshiram matrumal goenka degree

> college varanasi.It was published by M/S Thakur Prasad Pustak Bhandar

> Kachoda Gali Varanasi.BTW It had adhyanukram described in 14 slokas.

> >

> >

> >

> > In these compilations auther describes how these tesxts were collected

> and edited.

> >

> > Moreover few Raj jyotishis and families had some Texts of RSI like

> Parashar & jaimini in olden times as dowry and these were not avaiable

> to public as astrology was not a subject to common people and Both

> these texts were meant for disciple of traditions.

> >

> > I belongs to same era when sri Shyamsunderdas was studying Astrology

> in India but I was less devoted for I was in another profession ,In

> fact I have said nothing bad about Sri Shyamsunder How some people read

> between lines is aweful.

> >

> > Yes I have lot to share on astrology but Communication is possible

> >

> > when conditions for its flow are possible.I just joined the list .

> >

> > I am none to wish How list should run or what it is to discuss or

> what not.

> >

> > Hope things become well for learning.

> >

> > with best wishes to all.

> >

> > RCS

> >

>

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Respected Sh.R.C.Srivastava ji,

Thanks for your introduction.We as a members of the forum desire to have benefit

from your experience and knowledge.

Regards

 

--- On Sun, 8/16/09, R.C.Srivastava <swami.rcs wrote:

 

> R.C.Srivastava <swami.rcs

> Re: On the Authenticity of the BPHS

>

> Sunday, August 16, 2009, 2:02 PM

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

> Some background information,

> I am on net since 2000 or earlier.I have been a telecom

> engineer and been associated with establishment of

> many  telcom facilities like Internet ,video

> conferencing  ,Mobile communication etc  that are

> common now a days  in many towns of India.

> Now look your statement : I appreciate your promise to

> share more on astrology. But was  wonderstuck on seeing

> the statement //I just joined the list.//

> Ha..Ha..   Please don't lie.

> [:D]   You have joined the group on May 29,

> 2009 8:38   pm and it is already 2.5 months

> gone. Good enough time to know the group.

>

> Now for a person since 2000 on net where 2.5 months stand?

>

> No dear , i was in Himalyas between 26 june to 17 july I

> had brain stroke and was admitted to hospital at haldwani

> .Although i joined the group but I got busy in getting

> purascharan  performed for more than 15 days and later

> took piligrimage to devi " s  in Himanchal prades all

> before leaving for Almora on 25 th june.

>

> It is funny to assume , that I am liying.No I dont have any

> reason to lie.I have no need or  want for any

> recognition from any one  here or elsewhere .I

> did  not seek any ones appreciation  for

> appreciation is false image in society read by Arudh in

> astrology.I love astrology .It is my love to suject that has

> brought me here.I have my own websites.Own clints and own

> students and I belongs to parampara I have read almost all

> writings of Sri Rangacharya,Dr B.V.Raman,Late P.S.Aiyer R

> santhanam and have huge collection of books and magazines.

> Thanks for reading my mail.

> Sorry for long introduction and concluding mail on this

> thread.

>

> I wish please enjoy your cyber space created by your

> goodself here.

> God bless all.

,

> " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

> >

> > Dear Srivastava ji,

> >     That is a nice and informative

> mail.  [:)]  We really expect many

> > more such informative mails from you.  [:)]

> > //> Yes I have lot to share on astrology but

> Communication is possible

> > > when conditions for its flow are possible.I just

> joined the list.//

> >    I appreciate your promise to share more

> on astrology. But was

> > wonderstuck on seeing the statement //I just joined

> the list.// Ha..Ha..

> > Please don't lie.  [:D]   You have

> joined the group on May 29, 2009 8:38

> > pm and it is already 2.5 months gone. Good enough time

> to know the group

> > with you reading the group daily digest every

> day.  [:)]

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ,

> " R.C.Srivastava "

> > <swami.rcs@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sirs,

> > > I have great respect to ISCKON and people

> associated. I never

> > > meant disrespect to any individual.Nor I have

> written so.

> > > Only thing I was curious of pasting of some 

> articles  here.I saw

> > these  writings many years before on net.

> > >

> > > How Scriptres were maintained and compilations

> made avaiable to new

> > generation is a mystery to many.What publishers are

> doing is another

> > story.I will not go into it here.

> > >

> > > I have not been personally associated with those

> pandits so my account

> > could be unauthenciated but in earlier  days I

> get hold of BPHS around

> > 1982 and it was compiled by Sri Ganesh Dutt Pathak,the

> Head of

> > department  of Jyotish (department of) 

> Joshiram matrumal goenka degree

> > college varanasi.It was  published by M/S 

> Thakur Prasad Pustak Bhandar

> > Kachoda Gali Varanasi.BTW It had  adhyanukram

> described in 14 slokas.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In these compilations auther describes how these

> tesxts were collected

> > and edited.

> > >

> > > Moreover  few  Raj jyotishis  and

> families had some Texts of RSI like

> > Parashar & jaimini in olden times  as dowry

> and these were not avaiable

> > to public as astrology was not a subject to common

> people  and Both

> > these texts were meant for disciple of 

> traditions.

> > >

> > > I belongs to same era when sri Shyamsunderdas was

> studying Astrology

> > in India but I was less devoted for I was in

> another  profession ,In

> > fact  I have said nothing bad about Sri

> Shyamsunder How some people read

> > between lines is aweful.

> > >

> > > Yes I have lot to share on astrology but

> Communication is possible

> > >

> > > when conditions for its flow are possible.I just

> joined the list .

> > >

> > > I  am none to wish  How list should run

> or what it is to discuss or

> > what not.

> > >

> > > Hope things become well for learning.

> > >

> > > with best wishes to all.

> > >

> > > RCS

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

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Namesta Respected Srivastava ji,

 

                                                 Well first of it was very nice

of u sir tht u in the forum writing about ur experiences wit valuable teachings

in it too,

       

                                        Few things of Introduction of Srivastava

Ji,

                                                          (First of i know few

very few  Srivastava things tht he has been in astrology i think i feel more

then thirty years may be more then , As read all the major parampara available

in ur jyotish shatra, students in his  teachings r now  have great name , he is

tell us when time will arrive , he is a scholar in Jamini too), This is very few

of him.

 

                                                And i m hoping tht he will give

valueable tips to us , Eagerly waiting , Thanks Mohit 

 

--- On Sun, 8/16/09, R.C.Srivastava <swami.rcs wrote:

 

 

R.C.Srivastava <swami.rcs

Re: On the Authenticity of the BPHS

 

Sunday, August 16, 2009, 5:59 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sirs,

I have great respect to ISCKON and people associated. I never

meant disrespect to any individual.Nor I have written so.

Only thing I was curious of pasting of some articles here.I saw these writings

many years before on net.

 

How Scriptres were maintained and compilations made avaiable to new generation

is a mystery to many.What publishers are doing is another story.I will not go

into it here.

 

I have not been personally associated with those pandits so my account could be

unauthenciated but in earlier days I get hold of BPHS around 1982 and it was

compiled by Sri Ganesh Dutt Pathak,the Head of department of Jyotish (department

of) Joshiram matrumal goenka degree college varanasi.It was published by M/S

Thakur Prasad Pustak Bhandar Kachoda Gali Varanasi.BTW It had adhyanukram

described in 14 slokas.

 

In these compilations auther describes how these tesxts were collected and

edited.

 

Moreover few Raj jyotishis and families had some Texts of RSI like Parashar &

jaimini in olden times as dowry and these were not avaiable to public as

astrology was not a subject to common people and Both these texts were meant for

disciple of traditions.

 

I belongs to same era when sri Shyamsunderdas was studying Astrology in India

but I was less devoted for I was in another profession ,In fact I have said

nothing bad about Sri Shyamsunder How some people read between lines is aweful.

 

Yes I have lot to share on astrology but Communication is possible

 

when conditions for its flow are possible.I just joined the list .

 

I am none to wish How list should run or what it is to discuss or what not.

 

Hope things become well for learning.

 

with best wishes to all.

 

RCS

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Shri Ganeshaya Namah

 

Namaste All,

 

Let me add a small info on this subject. The following is culled from my study

of Telugu sources.

 

The compilation of BHPS by Sri Ganesha Datta Pathak is a wonderful work. I don't

know whether he has authored many books or not. The point here is the slokas

regarding the Jaimini concepts (Or Shall I say believed to be Jaimini

Concepts)are wonderful and more near to the Vriddha Karaikas of Jaimini

Astrology. The BPHS by Ganesha Datta Pathak mostly coincides with the

comiplation of BPHS by Sridhara Pandita Sanskrit commentary called " Brihat

Parasara Hora Sarasmsa " published in the last century in Mumbai. Surprisingly,

the Avatara Kathana chapter is missing in both Sridhara Pandita and Ganesha

Datta Pathak versions.

 

The concepts are more clear regarding Jaimini concepts in these BPHS, of course

in my humble opinion. For example, there is a yoga called Manipravala Rajayoga

mentioned in Vriddha Karikas and Jataka Sara Sangraha by Raghava Bhatta which

almost coincides with these two versions of BHPS.

 

Yet, I dont know much of Parasara Concepts.

 

Sri Shyamasundara Das article is a nice work.

 

Regards,

Shanmukha

 

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Manoj Chandran ji,

> You are absolutely right. Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji's article is the

> best article I have seen on this subject ever and I agree to it 100%.

> That is exactly my opinion as well. He puts it so beautifully and my

> regards to him for this beautiful and sincere article. Anyway, the truth

> is not generally liked by all, and especially by those who have a vested

> interest on the same - so never expect that those sincere observations

> by Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji will be accepted by the majority - it will

> not happen.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Manoj Chandran

> <chandran_manoj@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh Ji,

> >

> > Thanks for this timely article, by Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji. If you

> remember I brought this question up a few weeks ago in an email, and you

> had replied to that, in a similar vein. Shri Das Ji has laid it out so

> beautifully, but, even to me, some one who has not studied astrology for

> decades, some obvious questions came to mind (which I voiced in that

> original email). One of the questions was so fundamental and I restate

> that with a permise:

> >

> > 1. In my search for authentic teachers, aside from some absolutely

> brilliant self-taught Genius like Shri K N Rao, the most authentic

> teachers seem to come from, true and valid oral traditions.

> >

> > 2. I searched for such traditions and was able to identify two such

> traditions on North America - Both these teachers are very low key and

> have very few serious students (less than 10). Unfortunately due to the

> extradionary commitment that is required, I feel unable to follow them,

> full fledged. (I avoid mentioning names for obvious reasons).

> >

> > 3. I was struck by the fact that BOTH these teachers had an unanimous

> message: BPHS was a compilation and not an original work. If you take

> BPHS as a Gospel, you have NOT studied Ancient Indian Astrology, in its

> full form.

> >

> > 4. Also unanimous was their stand that Parasara and Jaimini streams

> were distinct and separate and in their oral tradition there was NO

> question of mixing the two methods. So any such mixture needs to be

> construed as experimental.

> >

> > 5. However both these teachers did say that BPHS had some very useful

> and instructive teaching tools, which, when combined with study of all

> the other traditional literature (that Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji

> mentions and may be even more) enhances the study of the subject.

> >

> > Regards,

> > -Manoj

>

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Dear friends,

 

Just for information only, I have second edition OF BPHS sanskrit hindi edition

published in Samvatsara 2038 compiled by Sri Gansh dutt pathak.

It has six stanza of mangalacharan and to whom the knowledge of shastra is to

be given.If we count from 4 to 22 these stanza belongs to shristi kram kathana

adhya.The version of GCS has two extra sloka and runs upto 24.13 slokas of

avatarvaad in next chapter are same.Therefater shristiarambah varnam and

avtarvaad chapters are also printed in full with slight variations in few

words in two slokas.

 

May be first edition could be different.

With best wishes

RCS.

 

 

, " Shanmukha " <teli_sha2002

wrote:

>

> Shri Ganeshaya Namah

>

> Namaste All,

>

> Let me add a small info on this subject. The following is culled from my study

of Telugu sources.

>

> The compilation of BHPS by Sri Ganesha Datta Pathak is a wonderful work. I

don't know whether he has authored many books or not. The point here is the

slokas regarding the Jaimini concepts (Or Shall I say believed to be Jaimini

Concepts)are wonderful and more near to the Vriddha Karaikas of Jaimini

Astrology. The BPHS by Ganesha Datta Pathak mostly coincides with the

comiplation of BPHS by Sridhara Pandita Sanskrit commentary called " Brihat

Parasara Hora Sarasmsa " published in the last century in Mumbai. Surprisingly,

the Avatara Kathana chapter is missing in both Sridhara Pandita and Ganesha

Datta Pathak versions.

>

> The concepts are more clear regarding Jaimini concepts in these BPHS, of

course in my humble opinion. For example, there is a yoga called Manipravala

Rajayoga mentioned in Vriddha Karikas and Jataka Sara Sangraha by Raghava Bhatta

which almost coincides with these two versions of BHPS.

>

> Yet, I dont know much of Parasara Concepts.

>

> Sri Shyamasundara Das article is a nice work.

>

> Regards,

> Shanmukha

>

> , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Manoj Chandran ji,

> > You are absolutely right. Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji's article is the

> > best article I have seen on this subject ever and I agree to it 100%.

> > That is exactly my opinion as well. He puts it so beautifully and my

> > regards to him for this beautiful and sincere article. Anyway, the truth

> > is not generally liked by all, and especially by those who have a vested

> > interest on the same - so never expect that those sincere observations

> > by Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji will be accepted by the majority - it will

> > not happen.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , Manoj Chandran

> > <chandran_manoj@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh Ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for this timely article, by Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji. If you

> > remember I brought this question up a few weeks ago in an email, and you

> > had replied to that, in a similar vein. Shri Das Ji has laid it out so

> > beautifully, but, even to me, some one who has not studied astrology for

> > decades, some obvious questions came to mind (which I voiced in that

> > original email). One of the questions was so fundamental and I restate

> > that with a permise:

> > >

> > > 1. In my search for authentic teachers, aside from some absolutely

> > brilliant self-taught Genius like Shri K N Rao, the most authentic

> > teachers seem to come from, true and valid oral traditions.

> > >

> > > 2. I searched for such traditions and was able to identify two such

> > traditions on North America - Both these teachers are very low key and

> > have very few serious students (less than 10). Unfortunately due to the

> > extradionary commitment that is required, I feel unable to follow them,

> > full fledged. (I avoid mentioning names for obvious reasons).

> > >

> > > 3. I was struck by the fact that BOTH these teachers had an unanimous

> > message: BPHS was a compilation and not an original work. If you take

> > BPHS as a Gospel, you have NOT studied Ancient Indian Astrology, in its

> > full form.

> > >

> > > 4. Also unanimous was their stand that Parasara and Jaimini streams

> > were distinct and separate and in their oral tradition there was NO

> > question of mixing the two methods. So any such mixture needs to be

> > construed as experimental.

> > >

> > > 5. However both these teachers did say that BPHS had some very useful

> > and instructive teaching tools, which, when combined with study of all

> > the other traditional literature (that Shri Shyamasundara Das Ji

> > mentions and may be even more) enhances the study of the subject.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > -Manoj

> >

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Dear shanmukha Ji Thanks for giving Manipravala yoga s i hope some one in grp may hav some charts to match and see results in the Lite of real events thanks and rgrds sunil nair , "Shanmukha" <teli_sha2002 wrote:>> Shri Gurave Namah> > Dear Sunil Ji,> > Yes, what you said is correct. It is a mix of two languages like Malayalam & Sanskrit or Telugu and Sanskrit etc.> > Yet, in Astrological sense it is a little different.> > Mani --> Gem (Most Valuable)> Pravala --> Cowry, marine shell (Less useful)> > So, Manipravala Yoga is a combination of Benefics(Gems) and malefics(Pravala) in a particular sequence.> > To be precise, there are two manipravala rajayogas in Jaimini.> > If a benefic in 2nd, a melefic 3rd, a benefic in 4th, a benefic in 5th, a malefic in 6th, a benefic in 7th, a malefic in 8th and a benefic in 9th from either the Atma Karka (AK), or Lagna Lord or the 7th Lord.> > There is another sequence> > If a benefic in 2nd, a melefic 3rd, a benefic in 4th, a malefic in 5th, a benefic in 6th, a melefic in 7th, a benefic in 8th and a melefic in 9th from either the Atma Karka (AK), or Lagna Lord or the 7th Lord.> > In Jaimini Benefic --> Natural benefics, or any exalted planet> Malefic --> Natural malefics, or any debilitated planet> > The first Yoga gives Dhana Yoga and Raja Yoga where as the second yoga gives Maha Raja Yoga.> > There is much more to it. If memebers don't mistake me for referring to my own article, please read the Saptarishis Astrology Vol 6. second part, where this yoga is explained fully.> > Else, you may read the Jataka Sara Sangrha or Kalpalatha for this yoga as well. Of course there is a specific Vriddha Karika which you can find in Jataka Sara Sangraha or in Jaimini Sutramritam by Irangantio Rangacharya (Sanskrit and English Version).> > This is the inforamation all I have.> > Regards,> Shanmukha>

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Dear Srivastava ji, If you can get is scanned, convert it to pdf and upload it in AIA website it would be nice - so that every one in the group will have access to that version of BPHS. If you can please do it - but if difficult please ignore this request. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "R.C.Srivastava" <swami.rcs wrote:>> Dear friends,> > Just for information only, I have second edition OF BPHS sanskrit hindi edition published in Samvatsara 2038 compiled by Sri Gansh dutt pathak.> It has six stanza of mangalacharan and to whom the knowledge of shastra is to be given.If we count from 4 to 22 these stanza belongs to shristi kram kathana adhya.The version of GCS has two extra sloka and runs upto 24.13 slokas of avatarvaad in next chapter are same.Therefater shristiarambah varnam and avtarvaad chapters are also printed in full with slight variations in few words in two slokas.> > May be first edition could be different.> With best wishes> RCS.

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Yes,

Initial part and last part that is unavaiable in Sri GC Sharma translations can

be uploaded for educative and informative purpose.

Many friends in other groups has also asked me for last part .

I expect to do it , as early as possible.

Whole book i can not upload For reasons of Copyright laws.

With best wishes.

RCS

 

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Srivastava ji,

> If you can get is scanned, convert it to pdf and upload it in AIA

> website it would be nice - so that every one in the group will have

> access to that version of BPHS. If you can please do it - but if

> difficult please ignore this request.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " R.C.Srivastava "

> <swami.rcs@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear friends,

> >

> > Just for information only, I have second edition OF BPHS sanskrit

> hindi edition published in Samvatsara 2038 compiled by Sri Gansh dutt

> pathak.

> > It has six stanza of mangalacharan and to whom the knowledge of

> shastra is to be given.If we count from 4 to 22 these stanza belongs to

> shristi kram kathana adhya.The version of GCS has two extra sloka and

> runs upto 24.13 slokas of avatarvaad in next chapter are same.Therefater

> shristiarambah varnam and avtarvaad chapters are also printed in full

> with slight variations in few words in two slokas.

> >

> > May be first edition could be different.

> > With best wishes

> > RCS.

>

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