Fwd: Mars, Saturn in MBH etc etc.... and Kaulian Lies

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Dear all if u go tru the article on link u can see that Kaul was putting tacticaly putting words and telling lies to a grp of esteemed memebrs ,so as to mislead all easy reading memebr s so as to mislead them .I am not saying the calculations presented in the Link is absolute and 100% correct but every one can see that kaul was quoting some thing which is not mentioned in that Link see this Portion which i cud not see tru out that Link ###################yes, Mars and Saturn etc - and maybe even Rahu and Kethu -- I am not

sure

about them, have been mentioned int he Mbh. No doubt about that! But

the

million dollar question is as to what the date of the Mahabarata is!

In the article that you have referred to, the date is given as 3091 BCE ################ Y this constant efforts , Lie s or distortions on even very clear evidence ??Is it to proov that we hindu s has copied greeks or every thing came tru babylonia via greeks which has never happened .Even Historian s wont approv it ,why only this has happened in astrology only why not it happened in other sastra s or even u cannot see it in anywhere even in day to day life ,like stories or even in litterature or is it to proov astrology is predictiv Gimmick and save hindu s frm astrologers chai samosa shops ?? or to make hindu s use a Non sense ,no sense his Lunatic calender ,which is never prooved in frnt of scholars ? and has Pundita sammatam Or is it A mission to save hindu s frm using Mlecha sastra s ( including computer technology )or is it a part of conspiracy which can only done by Dollar induced evil Minds ( Gratitude for recving benefits in the name of distorting hindu scriptures and creating confusions in Young Hindu mind s) which can do only by a neo convert ,who does every thing with a missionary zeal and still claiming a Hindu so as to get entry in Hindu forums to confuse them .This is the new strategy designed by evangelists ,even u can see saffron clad sanyasies quoting cross and Bible on every breath .Evn If all the calculation in the so called article is wrong ,why cant he do his part as staunch Hindu by aiding,helping search than simply criticising every one ,till today other asking confusing questions in the name of veda s ,ramayana or Mahabharath i never find any contribution frm his part .what may b the agenda ??why not the so called hindu forumite s has no eyes to see all this ,or is it another kaliyuga prathibha abhasam ( a intellectual phycological phenomenon which twist everything ) which only kaulian kali s can do it .rgrds sunil nair for easy reference i am repasting the article again Historicity Of Mahabharat

BY K. SADANANDAEDITORIAL,

Mar 20 (VNN) — This article is based on the information that I found in

March 1995 issue of "Saptagiri" published in Telugu by Tirumala

Tirupati Devastaanam, authored by Shrii Janamaddi Hanumanta Rao. The

article itself was based on the research effort by Professor K.

Srinivasa Raghavan. The research was acclaimed by several famous

pundits of Panchanga Shaastra including the Secretary of the All India

Panchanga Samskarana Sangha, Pandit Radhashyaam Shaastri from Hariyana,

and Vice chancellor of Sourashtra University, Shrii D.R. Mankad, etc.

Based on the astrological information provided by Veda Vyaasa (Position

of the stars etc), Mahabharat war was estimated to have started on

3067B.C. on 22nd November. On the day of the war, the astrological

positions of the Sun, Moon, Rahu, Saturn, Guru, Mangala and Sukra

planets have been described by Vyaasa. By looking at the position based

on Panchangam, Indian Calendar, and matching with the position of the

stars described by Vyaas and comparing with the Julian Calendar, one

can arrive at the precise dates for the war. Furthermore all other

related incidents that took place before and after the war were

described in Mahabhaarat, and the dates for these can be precisely

matched with the Julian calendar, as discussed bellow. Shrii

Krishna made a last minute effort to make peace but failed. He left the

Upaplaavya city on Kaartiika Shuddha Dvaadasi day in Revati Nakshatra

(star) between 7:36 - 8:24AM. He reached Hastinaapura in Bharani

Nakshatra, and had discussions with the Kouravaas till Pushyami

Nakshatra. The day Duryodhana rejected the peace proposal was Krishna

Pancami. Krishna left Hastinaapura, and had consultations with KarNa

before he departed. (He revealed to KarNa that he was the eldest son of

Kunti) on Uttara Palghuni day. Krishna informed KarNa that Duryodhana

must get ready to fight, seventh day from that day, which will be

Amaavaasya day (New-moon day) with JyeshTa Nakshatra. Krishna returned

to Upaplaavya city on Chitta Nakshatra. Three days after that on

Anuradha Nakshatra Balarama came to Upaplaavya. Next Pushya Nakshtra

day Pandavaas left with Krishna to Kurukshetra. Fifteen days

after return from Upaplaavya city, Balarama left on Punarvasu Nakshatra

on the tour of sacred places. (Balarama did not want to participate in

the war that involved cousins on both sides). He returned to

Kurukshetra after forty-two days in the ShravaNa Nakshatra. The war

already started eighteen days back. On the nineteenth day, BahuLa

Caturdashi day on ShravaNa Nakshatra, Duryodhana died. It was the

fifty-ninth day after Amaavaasya with JyeshTaa Nakshatra.

Krishana returned from Hastinaapura after his unsuccessful peace

mission on Uttara Palghuna day. Starting from that day, the seventh day

is New-moon day (amaavaasya) with Saturn on Rohini Nakshatra as

discussed by Vyaasa. Rahu was approaching the Sun, and the Moon was

turning towards Amaavaasya (New-Moon day). 36 years after the

Mahabharat war, Yaadava kula was destroyed. This was predicted by

Krishana by astrological happening - "Rahu has compressed Purnima on

Chaturdasi day. This happened once before the Mahabharata war and again

will be happening soon and this will lead to our destruction". He

remembered Gandhari's curse on the Yadava kula. Astrologically a strange phenomenon occurred during the Mahabharata war.

The lunar cycle (paksha - normally is 15 days) sometimes happens in

fourteen days. But during the Mahabharata war-time a rare thing

happened - the paksha got compressed to 13 days. (May be 13 is a bad

number). This aspect has been discussed in the Bhiishma parva - 3rd

Adhyaaya. Guru and Shani are in Vaishaaka, Moon and the Sun entered in

the same house one after the other making amaavaasya on the Trayodasi

day it self . This peculiar condensation of the thithiis into thirteen

from fifteen is a rare phenomenon as discussed by Vyaasa in Mahabharat

and has inevitably followed by mass destruction due to war. This

incident provided a direct means to establish the precise date of

Mahabharat war. According to Julian calendar this type of

planetary collusion occurred definitely in 3076 BC in November. Vyaasa

writes: Caturdashiim panchadashiim Bhuuta puurvamca shoodhashiim Imaantu naabhi jaaneham Amaavaasyaam trayodashiim Chandra suurya bhougrastou Ekamevam trayodashiim AparvaNi grahaNe tou Prajaa sakshapaishyataH||

"I have seen fourteen days a paksha, fifteen day completion or

extension to sixteenth day also. This amaavaasya falling on the

thirteenth day itself I have never seen before" - says Vyasa. That, on

the same month Sun and Moon eclipses falling during the missing

thitiies is a rare phenomenon, resulting in large-scale disaster to

people. One month before, in Margashira, during Purvaashhaada

Nakshatra, armies of Pandavaas and Kouravaas have assembled on the West

and the East sides of the Hiranya river, respectively. The next day was

Navaraatri and Durga Puja day. Duryodhana was itching for the war. That

evening Duryodhana sends a word with Sekuni's son Ulaka, " We have

finished the prayer to the arms and everybody is ready - why there is

further delay in starting the war?" The next day, Margashira Shudda

Ekadashi day, in KRittika Nakshatra, the war started. Hence, the famous

Bhagavad Geeta teaching also started on that day. The war began at 6:30

am. The date according to Julian calendar was 22nd November, 3067B.C. Other notable incidences that occurred: Bhiishma's death:

Maagha Shuddha AshTami day in Rohini Nakshtra in the afternoon that

58th day after the war started, Bhiishma died. ( This is the actual

death - He actually fell in the war on the 10th day after the war

started). Sri Krishna's Birth - He was born on 3112B.C. on Friday at 11:40 PM.

Pandavaas Birth - YudhishTara was born on August 31, 3114BC, Tuesday

(Mangala Vaaram) Shudda Panchami JyeshhTaa Nakshatra - He was 696 days

elder to Krishna. Bhiima was 347 days younger to YudhishTara.

- Krishna Trayodashi, Makha Nakshatra, and Arjuana was 303 days younger

to Bhiima. Shukla Chaturdashi Soma Vaaram (Monday) Uttara PhalguNi

Nakshtra. When Pandavaas came to Hastinaapura after the death

of their father Pandu, it was 3091BC and YudhishTara was 14years, 9

months and 11days old. When he was coranated by Bhiishma as a prince, YudhishTara was 20 years, 1 month and 26 days old. (November, 3094BC). They reached Varanasi in PalguNa Shuddha AshTami RohiNi Nakshtra.

Droupadi's Swayamvaram -in 3091BC, April - to reach the Wax-house it

took 10 days for Pandavaas. They stayed there for an year. After the

burning of the wax-house, they spent six months in the Shaalihotraa's

ashram and seven months in Ekachatra city. The second coronation and building of Indraprasta was in November 3091BC, seven months after the marriage.

Rajasuuya yagna was performed after Arjuna's dig vijaya tour - It took

five years and six months for Arjuna. Subhadra's marriage was in April

3084BC. Three months after that was Khadava vana dahanam. Abhimanyu was born in 3083BC, February.

Kaliyugam started in 3105BC, October 13th, Amaavaasya Mangala (Tuesday)

JyeshaTa Nakshatra - Kali was born. This was the most inauspicious day.

The next Pournima day (Full-moon day) was full eclipse of the

Moon, October 1, 3104BC. That was the day, when the five grahaas along

with moon were in DhanishTaa Nakshatra. Dharmajaa's Rajasuuya

- Fifteen years before the Mahabharata war was the Rajasuuya yagna of

Dharmaja. That day was amaavaasya (new-moon day) JyeshTa Muula nakshtra

.. YudhishTara shakam started in 3082BC, October 26th . The gambling and

the banishment of Pandavaas to forest was in November 3081BC,

Margashira shukla-Trayodashi. Vanavaasam was 12 years and

living incognito was for one year (13 lunar years + 5 lunar months + 12

days or 13 solar years plus 18 days) - Bhiimshma calculates and

declares that Dhurodhana's calculations were wrong. AJNaata vaasam (living incognito) began in Margashira 3069BC. Arjuna was noticed on Margashira Krishna Navami, 3068BC. The Great war began on 3067BC, Friday 22nd November, Margashira shudda ekadashi Nakshatra. The war lasted for 18 days. Dharmaraju ruled for only 36 years. 25years later YudhishTara shaka started. (Thursday October 26th).

Fifteen years after Dharmaja rule started, Dhutaraashtra, Gandhaari,

Vidura, Kunti and Sanjaya left for Vaanaprasta (forest living). That

year itself Vidura performed praayopavesham. Two years after that Dhrutaraashtra, Gandhaari and Kunti got caught in the forest fire and died. Sanjaya was only left. Shrii Krishna passed away on 3031BC, April 13th Friday. Pandavaas Maahaa Prastaanam was in 3031BC, in November.

These are the dates that matched the Indian astrological description of

the stars and the moon, and Julian Calendar predictions.

There is so much self consistency in all the events and the

descriptions that it makes one to wonder. Based on these exact

information Mahabhaarat must be Five thousand years Old (from today) as

per the historical accounting. The analysis is extremely precise and scientific, matching the astrological position of the Indian and the Julian Calendars.

The beauty and the scientific psychoanalysis of Bhagavad Geeta stand

out as monumental contribution by the Mahabharat period to the mankind.

Based on the above facts the historicity of Mahabharat cannot be

questioned. Translation by K. Sadananda , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > Abhinavagupta , Avtar Krishen Kaul wrote:> > > Dear Prashant ji,> Namastey!> You have said> > <In this article some person claims that Saturn, Rahu, Ketu etc etc...> were known> at the time of MBH....> > Link is as below:-> http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0003/ET20-5717.html>> > Yes, Mars and Saturn etc - and maybe even Rahu and Kethu -- I am not> sure> about them, have been mentioned int he Mbh. No doubt about that! But> the> million dollar question is as to what the date of the Mahabarata is!> In the article that you have referred to, the date is given as 3091 BCE> whereas Prof. Narahari Achar says it was 3067 BCE!> Then there are others who claim it to be of a much later date! However,> almost all the scholars agree that Kali Era started on Feb 17/18, 3102> BCE,> though the Vaishnava article is a exception!> In other wrods, almost all the scholars agree that the Mahabharata war> was> fought after the Kaliyuga had started! The Puranas say that Kaliyuga> started the day when Bhagwan Krishna left for His Divine abode! But it> seems that the Kaliyuga of all these scholars was much more powerful> than> Bhagwan Krishna Himself, since the Kaliyuga managed to stay in His> Divine> presence!> Naturally, a layman like me is more confused by these scholars' claims> than> I was by my grandma's' fairy tales!> Thus unless we know as to when the Mahabharata war actually took place,> it> is not of much value as to whether Mars and Saturn etc. have been> indicated> therein!> With regards,> A K Kaul> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Prashant praspandey@ wrote:> > > In this article some person claims that Saturn, Rahu, Ketu etc> etc... were known> > at the time of MBH....> >> > Link is as below:-> > http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0003/ET20-5717.html>