Mahabharata Bhishmaparva Planetary position

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Dear All, Now again I start from where I stopped. Sunil Bhattacharjya ji states -// I think Rahu and Ketu were known as Swarabhanu in the Veda. The name "Rahu" was used in the Mahabharata.// I agree with him. But, Swarbhanu, Rahu and many more synonyms of Rahu could have been used and can be expected in texts like MBh - we cannot be rigid and say that only the name "Rahu" would be used to refer to Rahu. Further it is the supporting evidence one provides that makes a derivation valuable or dependable. Since I want to guide this discussion in this direction further let us consider some more astrological quotes from Bhishma Parva to verify whether the planetary position arrived at by us in our previous mails is correct or not. The point to remember is that - there SHOULD NOT be any inconsistency and all astrological statements provided by MBh Bhishma parva in this section should be in tune with the planetary position we have already derived. Let us revise our understanding about the planetary position under discussion again - 1) Sun : in Rohini in Taurus (Eclipsed) 2) Moon : in Rohini in Taurus 3) Mars : in Makha in Leo (Retrograde) 4) Mercury: position not given. Possibly in Taurus 5) Jupiter : in Sravana in Capricorn (Retrograde) 6) Venus: in Purva Bhadrapada in Pisces 7) Saturn: in Uttara phalguni in Virgo 8) Ketu: in Jyeshta in Scorpio 9) Rahu : in Rohini in TaurusApart from the above planets the position of following Upagrahas are also given - 1) Dhooma : in Chitra in Libra 2) Paridhi : on Right side of Venus in Pisces sign, in Revati Nakshatra.With this much in mind let us consider the some more quotes from Bhishma parva that discuss the very same planetary position again. Samvatsarasthayinou cha grahau prajvalitavubhauVisakhayaH sameepasthau brihaspati sanaischarau[The two bright planets that will stay in sign for more than an year (the planets that cause the 60 year Prabhavadi year cycle) such as Jupiter and Saturn are placed near to (on both sides of) Visakha Nakshatra] Please note the following points. * The above quote considers Jupiter and Saturn as foundation for year (60 year cycle), and also indicate that both of them stay in a sign for more than year. Possibly this points to the inherent understanding about Sign as well as 60 year Prabhavadi year names. * It is already clarified earlier that Jupiter is placed in Sravana Nakshatra in Capricorn and Saturn in Uttara phalguni nakshatra in Virgo. Let us not erroniously assume from the above quote that both Jupiter and Saturn are placed in Visakha - the quote does not say so. What the quote says is that both Satun and Jupiter are placed on near to (on both sides of) Visakha nakshatra (without any other planet in between). This is a special combination with its own result - we may assume. But another question comes to mind - what is the importance of Visakaha at all for such a planetary combination? The only possible answer I could see is that - Lagna was in Visakaha, or in other words Viskaha was the rising Nakshatra and Scorpio the rising sign - i.e. we got one more parameter. Lagna = in Visakha Nakshatra in Scorpio. This means that the time under consideration is mid-noon! And it is darkness due to eclipse in mid-noon; earth-quake at the same time; and the blood like rain since the atmosphere is covered with red dust and it is raining! (Some one says a mad monkey is drunk and at the same time bitten by a snake and a coconut fall on his at the same time as well! It is just like that - many worst things happening at the same time) Chandradityavubhau grastaveahna hi trayodasimAparvani graham yatau prajasamkhayamischitaH[both Moon and Sun are afflicted by (solar eclipse in Taurus) Rahu just 13 days after Paurnami (on which date a lunar eclipse happened). In such condition the planets indicate the destruction of people ] The above quote indicate that the Tithi under discussion is Amavasi, since it the day on which Solar Eclipse happens. This solar eclipse happened just after 13 days (the day mentioned here is solar days) after Paurnami. (in another quote it is mentioned that the current solar eclipse under discussion happened, after a lunar eclipse just before 13 days on a Paurnami day) Asobhita disaH sarvaH pamsuvarshaiH samantataHUtpatamekha raudrascha ratrau varshanti sonitam[There is darkness in all directions; rain of dust everywhere (due to earth-quake); the sudden unexpected fierce clouds are raining blood in that darkness (the red dust raining down makes it seem like raining blood)] Krittika peedyamsteekshnair nakshatram prithveepateAbheekshnavata vayante dhoomaketumavastitaH[(Being in the same sign) Dhoomaketu is afflicting Kartika Nakshatra. As caused by (or indicated by) this Dhoomaketu, very fearful storms are happening] The Dhoomaketu mentioned here is the Upaketu sputa we mentioned in the previous mail. Upaketu is placed not in Kartika Nakshatra, but in Bharani Nakshatra. But then what is importance of Kartika Nakshatra? The importance of Kartika nakshatra is that as per mundane astrology Krittika indicate the areas like Kurukshetra (Indraprasta; near New Delhi). As per Samhita jyotish, MBh states that it is due to this, or as indicated by Ketu (Upaketu) that great storms are happening during that time. Vishamam janayantena akranta jananam mahatRipu sarveshu nakshatra nakshatreshu visampateGridhraH sampatate seershai janayana bhayamuttamam[Thus the condition indicate a great birth (the birth of an event). If you distribute all the stars in 3 Nakshatra groups (as per ancient advice) then the eagle comes at the head, indicating the great danger for the republics] Chaturdasim pancha dasim bhoota parva cha sodasimImam tu nagigane ahamamavasyam trayodasmimChandrasuryavubhai grahstavekamarsee trayodasim[usually there is a difference of a fortnight between a Parnami and an Amavasi. But this year just after 13 days (after Lunar eclipse), here Solar eclipse is happening] It is very late and I will continue in another mail.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear All,> Let me start from where I stopped in the previous mail. From the> previous discussion it is evident that the astrological planets are> placed as follows -> 1) Sun : in Rohini in Taurus (Possibly Eclipsed)> 2) Moon : in Rohini in Taurus> 3) Mars : in Makha in Leo (Retrograde)> 4) Mercury: position not given. Possibly in Taurus> 5) Jupiter : in Sravana in Capricorn (Retrograde)> 6) Venus: in Purva Bhadrapada in Pisces> 7) Saturn: in Uttara phalguni in Virgo> 8) Ketu: in Jyeshta in Scorpio> 9) Rahu : in Rohini in Taurus> Apart from the above planets the position of following Upagrahas are> also given -> 1) Dhooma : in Chitra in Libra> 2) Paridhi : possibly in Uttara Bhadrapada in Pisces; or the quote> just means "on Right side of Venus in Pisces sign".> The position of other Upagrahas such as Vyatipata, Indra dhanus and> Upaketu are not given. Now as the next step we need to verify whether> the position of Upgrahas given MBh is in tune with the calculation> method provided for these Upagrahas in BPHS.> For this let us ASSUME that the Sun as stated in Rohini is around 3.20 > deg in Rohini Nakshara. That is then Sun's sputa = 1-20-0 (20 deg in> Taurus, 1o deg i.e. at the end of 3rd Nakshatra pada in Rohini)> As per BPHS, if we add 4-13-0 with Sun's longitude we will get Dhooma> sputa. Thus,> Dhooma sputa = (1-20-00) + (4-13-00) = 6-03-00> Thus it is evident that Dhooma sputa falls in Chitra as mentioned in> MBh in Libra.> As per BPHS, if we subtract Dhooma sputa from 12 signs we will get> Vyatipata sputa. Thus -> Vyaptipata sputa = (12-0-0) - (6-03-00) = 5-27-00> Thus it is evident that Vyatipata is in Chitra Nakshatra in Virgo. But> it is not mentioned in MBh.> As per BHPS, if we subtract 6 signs from Vyatipata sputa we will get> Parithi (Parivesha) sputa. Thus -> Paridhi sputa = (5-27-00) - (6-0-0) = 11 - 27-00> Thus it is evident that Parithi is in Pisces. But we find that even> though in MBh it is said that Paridhi is in Uttara Bhadrapada as per the> above calculation it is in Revati in Pisces itself. This rises the> question whether our interpretation of the MBh statement "Uttare to> parikramya sahitaH". Earlier we interpreted that it means "Venus in> Purva bhadrapada is placed along with Paridhi (in the same sign Pisces)> which in turn is placed in Uttara bhadrapada Nakshatra". But it seems> that possibly the above statement had the meaning "Venus in Purva> bhadrapada is placed along with Paridhi (in the same sign Pisces) which> in turn is placed on the right side of Venus". Possibly the word> "Uttara" in this quote does not mean 'Uttara bhadrapada' but instead> 'right side'. If we assume this meaning, then the contradiction> disappears and the MBh statement and the real possibility agrees on each> other.> As per BPHS, if we subtract Paridhi sputa from 12 signs, we will get> Indradhanus sputa. Thus -> Indradhanus sputa = (12-0-0) - (11 - 27-00) = 0-03-00> Thus it is evident that Indradhanus is in Aswini Nakshatra in Aries.> But it is not mentioned in MBh.> As per BPHS, if we add 17 degrees in Indradhanus sputa we will get> Upaketu sputa. Thus -> Upaketu sputa = (0-03-00) + (0-17-00) = 0-20-00> Thus it is evident that Upaketu is in Bharani Nakshatra in Aries. But> it is not mentioned in MBh.> Then again to verify whether the whole calculation we did was correct> or not, BPHS states that, if we add one sign to Upketu sputa we will get> Sun's sputa itself. Thus -> Sun's sputa (Sun's longitude) = (0-20-00) + (1-00-00) = 1-20-00> This is exactly the number from which we started the calculation,> ensuring that the calculation we did is correct.> Thus it becomes evident that -> 1) Predictive astrology was in use during MBh period> 2) All the 7 grahas along with Rahu and Ketu was well known in MBh> period> 3) The concept such as Retrograde of planets, aspect, > exaltation-debilitation (Venus is in exaltation and Jupiter in> debilitation) was known,> 4) The signs were well known and the Sign of Leo (The sign of Siva;> the sign of Sun) was also called by the name Brahma Rasi (sign of> creation) during MBh period.> 5) All the 5 upagrahas (which are just mathematical sensitive points> used only for astrological predicative purpose) mentioned in> Parasara's BPHS such as Dhooma, Parithi etc were well known even during> MBh period; indicating that astrology flourished well, and had became an> extensively full-fledged system before MBh period itself. There is no> wonder in it - Parasara, the father knew astrology well and wrote> astrological texts then naturally his son Vyasa who wrote MBh must have> mastered the same from his father Parasara. Therefore actually we> can EXPECT good amount of astrological references in MBh; the only> problem is that astrological knowledge will get revealed to us if and> only if we are ready to approach MBh from an astrological perspective in> receptive mode - ready to accept the innovative astrological info it may> provide to us. But if we approach MBh with the pre-defined notion that> there is no astrology present in it or that Rasis cannot be present or> mentioned in MBh and Vyasa did not knew about Rasis etc then certainly> we are not going to find anything valuable. A prejudiced mind becomes> blind to possibilities.> Note: There could be mistakes in the above write-up; if you find any> please let me know.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Chakraborty ji and Sunil ji,> > First, let me appreciate you for starting such a discussion. The> > quote is very informative and gives us much info about the> astrological> > understanding of Mahabharata period; and is totally mis-understood and> > interpreted it seems. Let me state what I could grasp from these> quotes> > -> > Vishvag vatascha vayvugra rajo napyupa santyati> > Abhikshnam kampyate bhoomir arka rahurupaiti cha> > [Fearsome storm was happening all around; the dust was not settling;> the> > earth was shivering because of earth-quake; Rahu was nearing Sun> (solar> > eclipse?)]> > Swethe grahastatha chitram samatikramya tishtati> > Abhavam hi veseshena kurunam tatra pasyati> > [swetha ketu was in Chitra Nakshatra; and indicate the destruction> and> > loss to Kurus]> > The word Sweta Ketu here refers to the Upagraha Dhumaketu also known> by> > the name Dhooma sputa popular in astrology. This is one among the 5> > upagrahas viz. Dhooma, Vyatipata, Parivesha (Paridhi), Indra Dhanus,> Upa> > ketu. These upgrahas are mentioned in astrological classics like BPHS,> > Prasna marga, Phaladeepika etc and is a very ancient concept.> > Dhooma ketur maha khoraH pushyam chakramya tishtati> > Senayorasivam khoram karishyanti mahagrahaH> > [The very malefic Dhoomaketu is placed in Pushya Nakshatra. This> > indicate great destruction to army of both sides]> > I believe that the above quote is referring to earlier mentioned> > upagraha Dhooma sputa (Dhooma ketu) itself and not to some graha> placed> > in Pushya star. The word Pushya could be a typo and it could be> "Taksha"> > (meaning Chitra Nakshatra) referring to Dhooma Sputa placed in Chitra> > Nakshatra itself.> > Makhaswa Angarako vakraH sravane cha brihaspatiH> > Bhagam nakshatramakramya suryaputrena peedyate> > [Retrograde Mars is placed in Makha Nakshatra (in Leo) and Jupiter in> > Sravana Nakshatra (in Capricorn). The Bhaga Nakshara (Uttara Phalguni)> > is afflicted by Saturn placed in it (in Virgo)]> > Here Jupiter is in debilitation. It is well evident that the> concept> > of - debilitation, retrograde, malefic planet afflicting Nakshatras> and> > houses - were all well popular during that time.> > SukraH proshtapade purve samaruhya virochate> > Uttare tu parikramya sahitaH samudeekshite> > [Venus is placed in Pura Bhadrapada Nakshatra (in the same sign)> along> > with Paridhi (another upagraha) which is placed in Uttara Bhadrapada> > Nakshatra; They both aspect Saturn (placed in Virgo)]> > The above quote clearly indicate that both Venus and Paridhi are> > placed in the same sign Meena (Pisces) and Venus is placed in the last> > quarter of Purva Bhadrapada Nakshatra which Paridhi is placed in> Uttara> > Bhadrapada Nakshatra. It is also well evident that the concept of 7th> > aspect of planet was well-in-use during Mahabharata period, and also> the> > concept of Signs.> > Sweta grahaH prajvalitaH sadhooma iva pavakaH> > Indram tejaswi nakshatram jyeshtamakramya tishtati> > [The fiery Sweta graha (Ketu; agneya graha) is placed in Jyeshta> > Nakshatra the deity of which is Indra]> > It is clear that Ketu is placed in Scorpio in Jyeshta Nakshatra.> The> > ruling deity of Jyeshta Nakshatra is Indra - this is a concept> > well-known from Vedic period onwards. If Ketu is in Jyeshta Nakshatra,> > Rahu should be present in 180 degree opposite either in Rohini or> > Mrigasira. (Later it would be clear that Rahu is placed in Rohini> > Nakshatra)> > Dhruvam prajvalito khoram apasavayam pravartate> > Rohini peedyatyevamubhau cha Sasi-bhaskarau> > Chitra-svatyantare chaiva vishtitaH parushagrahaH> > [The (other) malefic planet that moves in anti-clockwise direction> (i.e.> > Rahu) is placed in Rohini Nakshatra. Both of them together (i.e. Rahu> > and Ketu) are afflicting both Sun and Moon (placed in Rohini> Nakshatra).> > (As mentioned earlier) another malefic (upa)graha - i.e. Dhooma - is> > afflicting Chitra Nakshatra]> > It is well-evident that - Rahu, Moon and Sun are placed in Rohini> > Nakshatra and is in Taurus Sign. Possibly it is a day of eclipse> (Solar> > eclipse), and possibly Mercury is also placed in Taurus. (The position> > of Mercury is not mentioned in any quote)> > Vakranuvakram kritva cha sravanam pavakaprabhaH> > Brahma rasim samavritya lohitango vyavasthitaH> > [The one who purifies and brightens fire (i.e. Jupiter, indicator of> > Ritik brahmin) is placed in Sravana Nakshatra and is in retrograde.> Mars> > is placed in the sign of creation (Brahma Rasi = Leo sign, sign of> > creation)]> > As well evident from the above description, not only the position> of> > all planets (except Mercury) is given in the above quotes, but also> the> > position of some of the upagrahas such as Dhooma and Paridhi.> > Since the calculation of the position of 5 Upagrahas (viz. Dhooma,> > Vyatipata, Parivesha (Paridhi), Indra Dhanus, Upa ketu) is mentioned> in> > BPHS we can use the same to cross verify whether the position of> Dhooma,> > Paridhi etc given in MBh is correct or not assuming that Sun in placed> > in 10 degree approx (end of 3rd Nakshatra pada).> > This I will do in another mail.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh>

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Dear sreenadh ji another brilliant post But as we discussed in offline ,the visaka may b showing evening if sun is in taurus ,so we hav to go tru whole text and see the chronology of events and with open and un biased mind we shud reserch it and may b we may b able to un earth many thing esp when sani in kanya and and guru in makara comes ( ha ha ,it will b around 9th sept and i think it is a approval frm nature even to reveal in itself ,if we r sincere ) same mahabharatha time combination very good post ,pls keep it up tho i know u r busy rgrds sunil nair , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear All,> Now again I start from where I stopped. Sunil Bhattacharjya ji> states -> // I think Rahu and Ketu were known as Swarabhanu in the Veda. The name> "Rahu" was used in the Mahabharata.//> I agree with him. But, Swarbhanu, Rahu and many more synonyms of Rahu> could have been used and can be expected in texts like MBh - we cannot> be rigid and say that only the name "Rahu" would be used to refer to> Rahu. Further it is the supporting evidence one provides that makes a> derivation valuable or dependable. Since I want to guide this> discussion in this direction further let us consider some more> astrological quotes from Bhishma Parva to verify whether the planetary> position arrived at by us in our previous mails is correct or not. The> point to remember is that - there SHOULD NOT be any inconsistency and> all astrological statements provided by MBh Bhishma parva in this> section should be in tune with the planetary position we have already> derived. Let us revise our understanding about the planetary position> under discussion again -> 1) Sun : in Rohini in Taurus (Eclipsed)> 2) Moon : in Rohini in Taurus> 3) Mars : in Makha in Leo (Retrograde)> 4) Mercury: position not given. Possibly in Taurus> 5) Jupiter : in Sravana in Capricorn (Retrograde)> 6) Venus: in Purva Bhadrapada in Pisces> 7) Saturn: in Uttara phalguni in Virgo> 8) Ketu: in Jyeshta in Scorpio> 9) Rahu : in Rohini in Taurus> > Apart from the above planets the position of following Upagrahas are > also given -> 1) Dhooma : in Chitra in Libra> 2) Paridhi : on Right side of Venus in Pisces sign, in Revati> Nakshatra.> > With this much in mind let us consider the some more quotes from Bhishma> parva that discuss the very same planetary position again.> Samvatsarasthayinou cha grahau prajvalitavubhau> VisakhayaH sameepasthau brihaspati sanaischarau> [The two bright planets that will stay in sign for more than an year> (the planets that cause the 60 year Prabhavadi year cycle) such as> Jupiter and Saturn are placed near to (on both sides of) Visakha> Nakshatra]> Please note the following points.> * The above quote considers Jupiter and Saturn as foundation for year> (60 year cycle), and also indicate that both of them stay in a sign for> more than year. Possibly this points to the inherent understanding about> Sign as well as 60 year Prabhavadi year names.> * It is already clarified earlier that Jupiter is placed in Sravana> Nakshatra in Capricorn and Saturn in Uttara phalguni nakshatra in Virgo.> Let us not erroniously assume from the above quote that both Jupiter and> Saturn are placed in Visakha - the quote does not say so. What the quote> says is that both Satun and Jupiter are placed on near to (on both sides> of) Visakha nakshatra (without any other planet in between). This is a> special combination with its own result - we may assume. But another> question comes to mind - what is the importance of Visakaha at all for> such a planetary combination? The only possible answer I could see is> that - Lagna was in Visakaha, or in other words Viskaha was the rising> Nakshatra and Scorpio the rising sign - i.e. we got one more parameter.> Lagna = in Visakha Nakshatra in Scorpio.> This means that the time under consideration is mid-noon! And it is> darkness due to eclipse in mid-noon; earth-quake at the same time; and> the blood like rain since the atmosphere is covered with red dust and it> is raining!> (Some one says a mad monkey is drunk and at the same time bitten by a> snake and a coconut fall on his at the same time as well! It is just> like that - many worst things happening at the same time)> > Chandradityavubhau grastaveahna hi trayodasim> Aparvani graham yatau prajasamkhayamischitaH> [both Moon and Sun are afflicted by (solar eclipse in Taurus) Rahu just> 13 days after Paurnami (on which date a lunar eclipse happened). In> such condition the planets indicate the destruction of people ]> The above quote indicate that the Tithi under discussion is Amavasi,> since it the day on which Solar Eclipse happens. This solar eclipse> happened just after 13 days (the day mentioned here is solar days) after> Paurnami. (in another quote it is mentioned that the current solar> eclipse under discussion happened, after a lunar eclipse just before 13> days on a Paurnami day)> Asobhita disaH sarvaH pamsuvarshaiH samantataH> Utpatamekha raudrascha ratrau varshanti sonitam> [There is darkness in all directions; rain of dust everywhere (due to> earth-quake); the sudden unexpected fierce clouds are raining blood in> that darkness (the red dust raining down makes it seem like raining> blood)]> > Krittika peedyamsteekshnair nakshatram prithveepate> Abheekshnavata vayante dhoomaketumavastitaH> [(Being in the same sign) Dhoomaketu is afflicting Kartika Nakshatra. As> caused by (or indicated by) this Dhoomaketu, very fearful storms are> happening]> The Dhoomaketu mentioned here is the Upaketu sputa we mentioned in the> previous mail. Upaketu is placed not in Kartika Nakshatra, but in> Bharani Nakshatra. But then what is importance of Kartika Nakshatra? The> importance of Kartika nakshatra is that as per mundane astrology> Krittika indicate the areas like Kurukshetra (Indraprasta; near New> Delhi). As per Samhita jyotish, MBh states that it is due to this, or> as indicated by Ketu (Upaketu) that great storms are happening during> that time.> Vishamam janayantena akranta jananam mahat> Ripu sarveshu nakshatra nakshatreshu visampate> GridhraH sampatate seershai janayana bhayamuttamam> [Thus the condition indicate a great birth (the birth of an event). If> you distribute all the stars in 3 Nakshatra groups (as per ancient> advice) then the eagle comes at the head, indicating the great danger> for the republics]> Chaturdasim pancha dasim bhoota parva cha sodasim> Imam tu nagigane ahamamavasyam trayodasmim> Chandrasuryavubhai grahstavekamarsee trayodasim> [usually there is a difference of a fortnight between a Parnami and an> Amavasi. But this year just after 13 days (after Lunar eclipse), here> Solar eclipse is happening]> > It is very late and I will continue in another mail.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > Let me start from where I stopped in the previous mail. From the> > previous discussion it is evident that the astrological planets are> > placed as follows -> > 1) Sun : in Rohini in Taurus (Possibly Eclipsed)> > 2) Moon : in Rohini in Taurus> > 3) Mars : in Makha in Leo (Retrograde)> > 4) Mercury: position not given. Possibly in Taurus> > 5) Jupiter : in Sravana in Capricorn (Retrograde)> > 6) Venus: in Purva Bhadrapada in Pisces> > 7) Saturn: in Uttara phalguni in Virgo> > 8) Ketu: in Jyeshta in Scorpio> > 9) Rahu : in Rohini in Taurus> > Apart from the above planets the position of following Upagrahas are> > also given -> > 1) Dhooma : in Chitra in Libra> > 2) Paridhi : possibly in Uttara Bhadrapada in Pisces; or the quote> > just means "on Right side of Venus in Pisces sign".> > The position of other Upagrahas such as Vyatipata, Indra dhanus and> > Upaketu are not given. Now as the next step we need to verify whether> > the position of Upgrahas given MBh is in tune with the calculation> > method provided for these Upagrahas in BPHS.> > For this let us ASSUME that the Sun as stated in Rohini is around> 3.20> > deg in Rohini Nakshara. That is then Sun's sputa = 1-20-0 (20 deg in> > Taurus, 1o deg i.e. at the end of 3rd Nakshatra pada in Rohini)> > As per BPHS, if we add 4-13-0 with Sun's longitude we will get> Dhooma> > sputa. Thus,> > Dhooma sputa = (1-20-00) + (4-13-00) = 6-03-00> > Thus it is evident that Dhooma sputa falls in Chitra as mentioned> in> > MBh in Libra.> > As per BPHS, if we subtract Dhooma sputa from 12 signs we will get> > Vyatipata sputa. Thus -> > Vyaptipata sputa = (12-0-0) - (6-03-00) = 5-27-00> > Thus it is evident that Vyatipata is in Chitra Nakshatra in Virgo.> But> > it is not mentioned in MBh.> > As per BHPS, if we subtract 6 signs from Vyatipata sputa we will> get> > Parithi (Parivesha) sputa. Thus -> > Paridhi sputa = (5-27-00) - (6-0-0) = 11 - 27-00> > Thus it is evident that Parithi is in Pisces. But we find that even> > though in MBh it is said that Paridhi is in Uttara Bhadrapada as per> the> > above calculation it is in Revati in Pisces itself. This rises the> > question whether our interpretation of the MBh statement "Uttare to> > parikramya sahitaH". Earlier we interpreted that it means "Venus in> > Purva bhadrapada is placed along with Paridhi (in the same sign> Pisces)> > which in turn is placed in Uttara bhadrapada Nakshatra". But it seems> > that possibly the above statement had the meaning "Venus in Purva> > bhadrapada is placed along with Paridhi (in the same sign Pisces)> which> > in turn is placed on the right side of Venus". Possibly the word> > "Uttara" in this quote does not mean 'Uttara bhadrapada' but instead> > 'right side'. If we assume this meaning, then the contradiction> > disappears and the MBh statement and the real possibility agrees on> each> > other.> > As per BPHS, if we subtract Paridhi sputa from 12 signs, we will> get> > Indradhanus sputa. Thus -> > Indradhanus sputa = (12-0-0) - (11 - 27-00) = 0-03-00> > Thus it is evident that Indradhanus is in Aswini Nakshatra in> Aries.> > But it is not mentioned in MBh.> > As per BPHS, if we add 17 degrees in Indradhanus sputa we will get> > Upaketu sputa. Thus -> > Upaketu sputa = (0-03-00) + (0-17-00) = 0-20-00> > Thus it is evident that Upaketu is in Bharani Nakshatra in Aries.> But> > it is not mentioned in MBh.> > Then again to verify whether the whole calculation we did was> correct> > or not, BPHS states that, if we add one sign to Upketu sputa we will> get> > Sun's sputa itself. Thus -> > Sun's sputa (Sun's longitude) = (0-20-00) + (1-00-00) = 1-20-00> > This is exactly the number from which we started the calculation,> > ensuring that the calculation we did is correct.> > Thus it becomes evident that -> > 1) Predictive astrology was in use during MBh period> > 2) All the 7 grahas along with Rahu and Ketu was well known in MBh> > period> > 3) The concept such as Retrograde of planets, aspect,> > exaltation-debilitation (Venus is in exaltation and Jupiter in> > debilitation) was known,> > 4) The signs were well known and the Sign of Leo (The sign of Siva;> > the sign of Sun) was also called by the name Brahma Rasi (sign of> > creation) during MBh period.> > 5) All the 5 upagrahas (which are just mathematical sensitive> points> > used only for astrological predicative purpose) mentioned in> > Parasara's BPHS such as Dhooma, Parithi etc were well known even> during> > MBh period; indicating that astrology flourished well, and had became> an> > extensively full-fledged system before MBh period itself. There is no> > wonder in it - Parasara, the father knew astrology well and wrote> > astrological texts then naturally his son Vyasa who wrote MBh must> have> > mastered the same from his father Parasara. Therefore actually we> > can EXPECT good amount of astrological references in MBh; the only> > problem is that astrological knowledge will get revealed to us if and> > only if we are ready to approach MBh from an astrological perspective> in> > receptive mode - ready to accept the innovative astrological info it> may> > provide to us. But if we approach MBh with the pre-defined notion that> > there is no astrology present in it or that Rasis cannot be present or> > mentioned in MBh and Vyasa did not knew about Rasis etc then certainly> > we are not going to find anything valuable. A prejudiced mind becomes> > blind to possibilities.> > Note: There could be mistakes in the above write-up; if you find> any> > please let me know.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Chakraborty ji and Sunil ji,> > > First, let me appreciate you for starting such a discussion. The> > > quote is very informative and gives us much info about the> > astrological> > > understanding of Mahabharata period; and is totally mis-understood> and> > > interpreted it seems. Let me state what I could grasp from these> > quotes> > > -> > > Vishvag vatascha vayvugra rajo napyupa santyati> > > Abhikshnam kampyate bhoomir arka rahurupaiti cha> > > [Fearsome storm was happening all around; the dust was not settling;> > the> > > earth was shivering because of earth-quake; Rahu was nearing Sun> > (solar> > > eclipse?)]> > > Swethe grahastatha chitram samatikramya tishtati> > > Abhavam hi veseshena kurunam tatra pasyati> > > [swetha ketu was in Chitra Nakshatra; and indicate the destruction> > and> > > loss to Kurus]> > > The word Sweta Ketu here refers to the Upagraha Dhumaketu also> known> > by> > > the name Dhooma sputa popular in astrology. This is one among the 5> > > upagrahas viz. Dhooma, Vyatipata, Parivesha (Paridhi), Indra Dhanus,> > Upa> > > ketu. These upgrahas are mentioned in astrological classics like> BPHS,> > > Prasna marga, Phaladeepika etc and is a very ancient concept.> > > Dhooma ketur maha khoraH pushyam chakramya tishtati> > > Senayorasivam khoram karishyanti mahagrahaH> > > [The very malefic Dhoomaketu is placed in Pushya Nakshatra. This> > > indicate great destruction to army of both sides]> > > I believe that the above quote is referring to earlier mentioned> > > upagraha Dhooma sputa (Dhooma ketu) itself and not to some graha> > placed> > > in Pushya star. The word Pushya could be a typo and it could be> > "Taksha"> > > (meaning Chitra Nakshatra) referring to Dhooma Sputa placed in > Chitra> > > Nakshatra itself.> > > Makhaswa Angarako vakraH sravane cha brihaspatiH> > > Bhagam nakshatramakramya suryaputrena peedyate> > > [Retrograde Mars is placed in Makha Nakshatra (in Leo) and Jupiter> in> > > Sravana Nakshatra (in Capricorn). The Bhaga Nakshara (Uttara> Phalguni)> > > is afflicted by Saturn placed in it (in Virgo)]> > > Here Jupiter is in debilitation. It is well evident that the> > concept> > > of - debilitation, retrograde, malefic planet afflicting Nakshatras> > and> > > houses - were all well popular during that time.> > > SukraH proshtapade purve samaruhya virochate> > > Uttare tu parikramya sahitaH samudeekshite> > > [Venus is placed in Pura Bhadrapada Nakshatra (in the same sign)> > along> > > with Paridhi (another upagraha) which is placed in Uttara Bhadrapada> > > Nakshatra; They both aspect Saturn (placed in Virgo)]> > > The above quote clearly indicate that both Venus and Paridhi are> > > placed in the same sign Meena (Pisces) and Venus is placed in the> last> > > quarter of Purva Bhadrapada Nakshatra which Paridhi is placed in> > Uttara> > > Bhadrapada Nakshatra. It is also well evident that the concept of> 7th> > > aspect of planet was well-in-use during Mahabharata period, and also> > the> > > concept of Signs.> > > Sweta grahaH prajvalitaH sadhooma iva pavakaH> > > Indram tejaswi nakshatram jyeshtamakramya tishtati> > > [The fiery Sweta graha (Ketu; agneya graha) is placed in Jyeshta> > > Nakshatra the deity of which is Indra]> > > It is clear that Ketu is placed in Scorpio in Jyeshta Nakshatra.> > The> > > ruling deity of Jyeshta Nakshatra is Indra - this is a concept> > > well-known from Vedic period onwards. If Ketu is in Jyeshta> Nakshatra,> > > Rahu should be present in 180 degree opposite either in Rohini or> > > Mrigasira. (Later it would be clear that Rahu is placed in Rohini> > > Nakshatra)> > > Dhruvam prajvalito khoram apasavayam pravartate> > > Rohini peedyatyevamubhau cha Sasi-bhaskarau> > > Chitra-svatyantare chaiva vishtitaH parushagrahaH> > > [The (other) malefic planet that moves in anti-clockwise direction> > (i.e.> > > Rahu) is placed in Rohini Nakshatra. Both of them together (i.e.> Rahu> > > and Ketu) are afflicting both Sun and Moon (placed in Rohini> > Nakshatra).> > > (As mentioned earlier) another malefic (upa)graha - i.e. Dhooma - is> > > afflicting Chitra Nakshatra]> > > It is well-evident that - Rahu, Moon and Sun are placed in Rohini> > > Nakshatra and is in Taurus Sign. Possibly it is a day of eclipse> > (Solar> > > eclipse), and possibly Mercury is also placed in Taurus. (The> position> > > of Mercury is not mentioned in any quote)> > > Vakranuvakram kritva cha sravanam pavakaprabhaH> > > Brahma rasim samavritya lohitango vyavasthitaH> > > [The one who purifies and brightens fire (i.e. Jupiter, indicator of> > > Ritik brahmin) is placed in Sravana Nakshatra and is in retrograde.> > Mars> > > is placed in the sign of creation (Brahma Rasi = Leo sign, sign of> > > creation)]> > > As well evident from the above description, not only the position> > of> > > all planets (except Mercury) is given in the above quotes, but also> > the> > > position of some of the upagrahas such as Dhooma and Paridhi.> > > Since the calculation of the position of 5 Upagrahas (viz.> Dhooma,> > > Vyatipata, Parivesha (Paridhi), Indra Dhanus, Upa ketu) is mentioned> > in> > > BPHS we can use the same to cross verify whether the position of> > Dhooma,> > > Paridhi etc given in MBh is correct or not assuming that Sun in> placed> > > in 10 degree approx (end of 3rd Nakshatra pada).> > > This I will do in another mail.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> >>

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Dear Sreenadhji and Sunil Nairji,

 

You may also please sort out the confusion regarding the Winter Solstice (WS) angle. The modern softwares help us to fix the time of WS in those times. Thirty six years before Lord Krishna died the WS occurred in the middle of January.

 

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Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Tue, 8/18/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Mahabharata Bhishmaparva Planetary position Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 8:26 PM

Dear sreenadh ji another brilliant post But as we discussed in offline ,the visaka may b showing evening if sun is in taurus ,so we hav to go tru whole text and see the chronology of events and with open and un biased mind we shud reserch it and may b we may b able to un earth many thing esp when sani in kanya and and guru in makara comes ( ha ha ,it will b around 9th sept and i think it is a approval frm nature even to reveal in itself ,if we r sincere ) same mahabharatha time combination very good post ,pls keep it up tho i know u r busy rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear All,> Now again I start from where I stopped. Sunil Bhattacharjya ji> states -> // I think Rahu and Ketu were known as Swarabhanu in the Veda. The name> "Rahu" was

used in the Mahabharata. //> I agree with him. But, Swarbhanu, Rahu and many more synonyms of Rahu> could have been used and can be expected in texts like MBh - we cannot> be rigid and say that only the name "Rahu" would be used to refer to> Rahu. Further it is the supporting evidence one provides that makes a> derivation valuable or dependable. Since I want to guide this> discussion in this direction further let us consider some more> astrological quotes from Bhishma Parva to verify whether the planetary> position arrived at by us in our previous mails is correct or not. The> point to remember is that - there SHOULD NOT be any inconsistency and> all astrological statements provided by MBh Bhishma parva in this> section should be in tune with the planetary position we have already> derived. Let us revise our understanding about the planetary position> under

discussion again -> 1) Sun : in Rohini in Taurus (Eclipsed)> 2) Moon : in Rohini in Taurus> 3) Mars : in Makha in Leo (Retrograde)> 4) Mercury: position not given. Possibly in Taurus> 5) Jupiter : in Sravana in Capricorn (Retrograde)> 6) Venus: in Purva Bhadrapada in Pisces> 7) Saturn: in Uttara phalguni in Virgo> 8) Ketu: in Jyeshta in Scorpio> 9) Rahu : in Rohini in Taurus> > Apart from the above planets the position of following Upagrahas are > also given -> 1) Dhooma : in Chitra in Libra> 2) Paridhi : on Right side of Venus in Pisces sign, in Revati> Nakshatra.> > With this much in mind let us consider the some more quotes from Bhishma> parva that discuss the very same planetary position again.> Samvatsarasthayinou cha grahau prajvalitavubhau> VisakhayaH sameepasthau brihaspati sanaischarau> [The two

bright planets that will stay in sign for more than an year> (the planets that cause the 60 year Prabhavadi year cycle) such as> Jupiter and Saturn are placed near to (on both sides of) Visakha> Nakshatra]> Please note the following points.> * The above quote considers Jupiter and Saturn as foundation for year> (60 year cycle), and also indicate that both of them stay in a sign for> more than year. Possibly this points to the inherent understanding about> Sign as well as 60 year Prabhavadi year names.> * It is already clarified earlier that Jupiter is placed in Sravana> Nakshatra in Capricorn and Saturn in Uttara phalguni nakshatra in Virgo.> Let us not erroniously assume from the above quote that both Jupiter and> Saturn are placed in Visakha - the quote does not say so. What the quote> says is that both Satun and Jupiter are placed on near to (on both

sides> of) Visakha nakshatra (without any other planet in between). This is a> special combination with its own result - we may assume. But another> question comes to mind - what is the importance of Visakaha at all for> such a planetary combination? The only possible answer I could see is> that - Lagna was in Visakaha, or in other words Viskaha was the rising> Nakshatra and Scorpio the rising sign - i.e. we got one more parameter.> Lagna = in Visakha Nakshatra in Scorpio.> This means that the time under consideration is mid-noon! And it is> darkness due to eclipse in mid-noon; earth-quake at the same time; and> the blood like rain since the atmosphere is covered with red dust and it> is raining!> (Some one says a mad monkey is drunk and at the same time bitten by a> snake and a coconut fall on his at the same time as well! It is just> like that - many

worst things happening at the same time)> > Chandradityavubhau grastaveahna hi trayodasim> Aparvani graham yatau prajasamkhayamischi taH> [both Moon and Sun are afflicted by (solar eclipse in Taurus) Rahu just> 13 days after Paurnami (on which date a lunar eclipse happened). In> such condition the planets indicate the destruction of people ]> The above quote indicate that the Tithi under discussion is Amavasi,> since it the day on which Solar Eclipse happens. This solar eclipse> happened just after 13 days (the day mentioned here is solar days) after> Paurnami. (in another quote it is mentioned that the current solar> eclipse under discussion happened, after a lunar eclipse just before 13> days on a Paurnami day)> Asobhita disaH sarvaH pamsuvarshaiH samantataH> Utpatamekha raudrascha ratrau varshanti sonitam> [There is darkness in all directions;

rain of dust everywhere (due to> earth-quake) ; the sudden unexpected fierce clouds are raining blood in> that darkness (the red dust raining down makes it seem like raining> blood)]> > Krittika peedyamsteekshnair nakshatram prithveepate> Abheekshnavata vayante dhoomaketumavastita H> [(Being in the same sign) Dhoomaketu is afflicting Kartika Nakshatra. As> caused by (or indicated by) this Dhoomaketu, very fearful storms are> happening]> The Dhoomaketu mentioned here is the Upaketu sputa we mentioned in the> previous mail. Upaketu is placed not in Kartika Nakshatra, but in> Bharani Nakshatra. But then what is importance of Kartika Nakshatra? The> importance of Kartika nakshatra is that as per mundane astrology> Krittika indicate the areas like Kurukshetra (Indraprasta; near New> Delhi). As per Samhita jyotish, MBh states that it is due to this,

or> as indicated by Ketu (Upaketu) that great storms are happening during> that time.> Vishamam janayantena akranta jananam mahat> Ripu sarveshu nakshatra nakshatreshu visampate> GridhraH sampatate seershai janayana bhayamuttamam> [Thus the condition indicate a great birth (the birth of an event). If> you distribute all the stars in 3 Nakshatra groups (as per ancient> advice) then the eagle comes at the head, indicating the great danger> for the republics]> Chaturdasim pancha dasim bhoota parva cha sodasim> Imam tu nagigane ahamamavasyam trayodasmim> Chandrasuryavubhai grahstavekamarsee trayodasim> [usually there is a difference of a fortnight between a Parnami and an> Amavasi. But this year just after 13 days (after Lunar eclipse), here> Solar eclipse is happening]> > It is very late and I will continue in another mail.> Love

and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > Let me start from where I stopped in the previous mail. From the> > previous discussion it is evident that the astrological planets are> > placed as follows -> > 1) Sun : in Rohini in Taurus (Possibly Eclipsed)> > 2) Moon : in Rohini in Taurus> > 3) Mars : in Makha in Leo (Retrograde)> > 4) Mercury: position not given. Possibly in Taurus> > 5) Jupiter : in Sravana in Capricorn (Retrograde)> > 6) Venus: in Purva Bhadrapada in Pisces> > 7) Saturn: in Uttara phalguni in Virgo> > 8) Ketu: in Jyeshta in Scorpio> > 9) Rahu : in Rohini in Taurus> > Apart from the above planets the position of following Upagrahas are> > also given -> > 1)

Dhooma : in Chitra in Libra> > 2) Paridhi : possibly in Uttara Bhadrapada in Pisces; or the quote> > just means "on Right side of Venus in Pisces sign".> > The position of other Upagrahas such as Vyatipata, Indra dhanus and> > Upaketu are not given. Now as the next step we need to verify whether> > the position of Upgrahas given MBh is in tune with the calculation> > method provided for these Upagrahas in BPHS.> > For this let us ASSUME that the Sun as stated in Rohini is around> 3.20> > deg in Rohini Nakshara. That is then Sun's sputa = 1-20-0 (20 deg in> > Taurus, 1o deg i.e. at the end of 3rd Nakshatra pada in Rohini)> > As per BPHS, if we add 4-13-0 with Sun's longitude we will get> Dhooma> > sputa. Thus,> > Dhooma sputa = (1-20-00) + (4-13-00) = 6-03-00> > Thus it is evident that Dhooma sputa falls in

Chitra as mentioned> in> > MBh in Libra.> > As per BPHS, if we subtract Dhooma sputa from 12 signs we will get> > Vyatipata sputa. Thus -> > Vyaptipata sputa = (12-0-0) - (6-03-00) = 5-27-00> > Thus it is evident that Vyatipata is in Chitra Nakshatra in Virgo.> But> > it is not mentioned in MBh.> > As per BHPS, if we subtract 6 signs from Vyatipata sputa we will> get> > Parithi (Parivesha) sputa. Thus -> > Paridhi sputa = (5-27-00) - (6-0-0) = 11 - 27-00> > Thus it is evident that Parithi is in Pisces. But we find that even> > though in MBh it is said that Paridhi is in Uttara Bhadrapada as per> the> > above calculation it is in Revati in Pisces itself. This rises the> > question whether our interpretation of the MBh statement "Uttare to> > parikramya sahitaH". Earlier we interpreted that

it means "Venus in> > Purva bhadrapada is placed along with Paridhi (in the same sign> Pisces)> > which in turn is placed in Uttara bhadrapada Nakshatra". But it seems> > that possibly the above statement had the meaning "Venus in Purva> > bhadrapada is placed along with Paridhi (in the same sign Pisces)> which> > in turn is placed on the right side of Venus". Possibly the word> > "Uttara" in this quote does not mean 'Uttara bhadrapada' but instead> > 'right side'. If we assume this meaning, then the contradiction> > disappears and the MBh statement and the real possibility agrees on> each> > other.> > As per BPHS, if we subtract Paridhi sputa from 12 signs, we will> get> > Indradhanus sputa. Thus -> > Indradhanus sputa = (12-0-0) - (11 - 27-00) = 0-03-00> > Thus it is evident that Indradhanus is

in Aswini Nakshatra in> Aries.> > But it is not mentioned in MBh.> > As per BPHS, if we add 17 degrees in Indradhanus sputa we will get> > Upaketu sputa. Thus -> > Upaketu sputa = (0-03-00) + (0-17-00) = 0-20-00> > Thus it is evident that Upaketu is in Bharani Nakshatra in Aries.> But> > it is not mentioned in MBh.> > Then again to verify whether the whole calculation we did was> correct> > or not, BPHS states that, if we add one sign to Upketu sputa we will> get> > Sun's sputa itself. Thus -> > Sun's sputa (Sun's longitude) = (0-20-00) + (1-00-00) = 1-20-00> > This is exactly the number from which we started the calculation,> > ensuring that the calculation we did is correct.> > Thus it becomes evident that -> > 1) Predictive astrology was in use during MBh period> > 2) All the

7 grahas along with Rahu and Ketu was well known in MBh> > period> > 3) The concept such as Retrograde of planets, aspect,> > exaltation-debilita tion (Venus is in exaltation and Jupiter in> > debilitation) was known,> > 4) The signs were well known and the Sign of Leo (The sign of Siva;> > the sign of Sun) was also called by the name Brahma Rasi (sign of> > creation) during MBh period.> > 5) All the 5 upagrahas (which are just mathematical sensitive> points> > used only for astrological predicative purpose) mentioned in> > Parasara's BPHS such as Dhooma, Parithi etc were well known even> during> > MBh period; indicating that astrology flourished well, and had became> an> > extensively full-fledged system before MBh period itself. There is no> > wonder in it - Parasara, the father knew astrology well and

wrote> > astrological texts then naturally his son Vyasa who wrote MBh must> have> > mastered the same from his father Parasara. Therefore actually we> > can EXPECT good amount of astrological references in MBh; the only> > problem is that astrological knowledge will get revealed to us if and> > only if we are ready to approach MBh from an astrological perspective> in> > receptive mode - ready to accept the innovative astrological info it> may> > provide to us. But if we approach MBh with the pre-defined notion that> > there is no astrology present in it or that Rasis cannot be present or> > mentioned in MBh and Vyasa did not knew about Rasis etc then certainly> > we are not going to find anything valuable. A prejudiced mind becomes> > blind to possibilities.> > Note: There could be mistakes in the above

write-up; if you find> any> > please let me know.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Chakraborty ji and Sunil ji,> > > First, let me appreciate you for starting such a discussion. The> > > quote is very informative and gives us much info about the> > astrological> > > understanding of Mahabharata period; and is totally mis-understood> and> > > interpreted it seems. Let me state what I could grasp from these> > quotes> > > -> > > Vishvag vatascha vayvugra rajo napyupa santyati> > > Abhikshnam kampyate bhoomir arka rahurupaiti cha> > > [Fearsome storm was happening all around; the dust was not settling;> > the> >

> earth was shivering because of earth-quake; Rahu was nearing Sun> > (solar> > > eclipse?)]> > > Swethe grahastatha chitram samatikramya tishtati> > > Abhavam hi veseshena kurunam tatra pasyati> > > [swetha ketu was in Chitra Nakshatra; and indicate the destruction> > and> > > loss to Kurus]> > > The word Sweta Ketu here refers to the Upagraha Dhumaketu also> known> > by> > > the name Dhooma sputa popular in astrology. This is one among the 5> > > upagrahas viz. Dhooma, Vyatipata, Parivesha (Paridhi), Indra Dhanus,> > Upa> > > ketu. These upgrahas are mentioned in astrological classics like> BPHS,> > > Prasna marga, Phaladeepika etc and is a very ancient concept.> > > Dhooma ketur maha khoraH pushyam chakramya tishtati> > > Senayorasivam

khoram karishyanti mahagrahaH> > > [The very malefic Dhoomaketu is placed in Pushya Nakshatra. This> > > indicate great destruction to army of both sides]> > > I believe that the above quote is referring to earlier mentioned> > > upagraha Dhooma sputa (Dhooma ketu) itself and not to some graha> > placed> > > in Pushya star. The word Pushya could be a typo and it could be> > "Taksha"> > > (meaning Chitra Nakshatra) referring to Dhooma Sputa placed in > Chitra> > > Nakshatra itself.> > > Makhaswa Angarako vakraH sravane cha brihaspatiH> > > Bhagam nakshatramakramya suryaputrena peedyate> > > [Retrograde Mars is placed in Makha Nakshatra (in Leo) and Jupiter> in> > > Sravana Nakshatra (in Capricorn). The Bhaga Nakshara (Uttara> Phalguni)> > > is afflicted by

Saturn placed in it (in Virgo)]> > > Here Jupiter is in debilitation. It is well evident that the> > concept> > > of - debilitation, retrograde, malefic planet afflicting Nakshatras> > and> > > houses - were all well popular during that time.> > > SukraH proshtapade purve samaruhya virochate> > > Uttare tu parikramya sahitaH samudeekshite> > > [Venus is placed in Pura Bhadrapada Nakshatra (in the same sign)> > along> > > with Paridhi (another upagraha) which is placed in Uttara Bhadrapada> > > Nakshatra; They both aspect Saturn (placed in Virgo)]> > > The above quote clearly indicate that both Venus and Paridhi are> > > placed in the same sign Meena (Pisces) and Venus is placed in the> last> > > quarter of Purva Bhadrapada Nakshatra which Paridhi is placed in> >

Uttara> > > Bhadrapada Nakshatra. It is also well evident that the concept of> 7th> > > aspect of planet was well-in-use during Mahabharata period, and also> > the> > > concept of Signs.> > > Sweta grahaH prajvalitaH sadhooma iva pavakaH> > > Indram tejaswi nakshatram jyeshtamakramya tishtati> > > [The fiery Sweta graha (Ketu; agneya graha) is placed in Jyeshta> > > Nakshatra the deity of which is Indra]> > > It is clear that Ketu is placed in Scorpio in Jyeshta Nakshatra.> > The> > > ruling deity of Jyeshta Nakshatra is Indra - this is a concept> > > well-known from Vedic period onwards. If Ketu is in Jyeshta> Nakshatra,> > > Rahu should be present in 180 degree opposite either in Rohini or> > > Mrigasira. (Later it would be clear that Rahu is placed in

Rohini> > > Nakshatra)> > > Dhruvam prajvalito khoram apasavayam pravartate> > > Rohini peedyatyevamubhau cha Sasi-bhaskarau> > > Chitra-svatyantare chaiva vishtitaH parushagrahaH> > > [The (other) malefic planet that moves in anti-clockwise direction> > (i.e.> > > Rahu) is placed in Rohini Nakshatra. Both of them together (i.e.> Rahu> > > and Ketu) are afflicting both Sun and Moon (placed in Rohini> > Nakshatra).> > > (As mentioned earlier) another malefic (upa)graha - i.e. Dhooma - is> > > afflicting Chitra Nakshatra]> > > It is well-evident that - Rahu, Moon and Sun are placed in Rohini> > > Nakshatra and is in Taurus Sign. Possibly it is a day of eclipse> > (Solar> > > eclipse), and possibly Mercury is also placed in Taurus. (The> position> >

> of Mercury is not mentioned in any quote)> > > Vakranuvakram kritva cha sravanam pavakaprabhaH> > > Brahma rasim samavritya lohitango vyavasthitaH> > > [The one who purifies and brightens fire (i.e. Jupiter, indicator of> > > Ritik brahmin) is placed in Sravana Nakshatra and is in retrograde.> > Mars> > > is placed in the sign of creation (Brahma Rasi = Leo sign, sign of> > > creation)]> > > As well evident from the above description, not only the position> > of> > > all planets (except Mercury) is given in the above quotes, but also> > the> > > position of some of the upagrahas such as Dhooma and Paridhi.> > > Since the calculation of the position of 5 Upagrahas (viz.> Dhooma,> > > Vyatipata, Parivesha (Paridhi), Indra Dhanus, Upa ketu) is mentioned> >

in> > > BPHS we can use the same to cross verify whether the position of> > Dhooma,> > > Paridhi etc given in MBh is correct or not assuming that Sun in> placed> > > in 10 degree approx (end of 3rd Nakshatra pada).> > > This I will do in another mail.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> >>

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Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji, When our understanding about astrology mentioned in MBh improves we might be able to derive such info as well, in a coherent way. But as of now as we all know, our information and understanding about astrology discussed in MBh is very limited, since none with a good enough understanding of astrology seems to have approached this subject in a serious way till date and shared the derivations. When we approach this subject, we might be able to present a unique perspective due to our better understanding about astrology in the course of time, and some more light will fall on those dark areas of epic astrology. Love and regards,Sreenadh , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji and Sunil Nairji,> > You may also please sort out the confusion regarding the Winter Solstice (WS) angle. The modern softwares help us to fix the time of WS in those times. Thirty six years before Lord Krishna died the WS occurred in the middle of January.> > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya