Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Respected Bhaskarji, Sreenadhji, Sunilji and Learned Members I was wondering if there is any reason behind the theory that 6:8 position of planet placement is considered bad. And 5:9 position of planets placement is considered very good. Is there any reason behind that theory in our classics? If there is any reason please could you share it? Thanks Prabha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Dear Prabha ji, As per general rules, in a Kala purusha chart, the 6th house is a malefic house and so is the 8th, or the Mrityu sthana. To check the stremngth of any Horoscope, we check the Lagna Lord of the Horoscope how it is placed. In same way when we check the House in any Chart, then the first thing is to check the strength of the house by checking where the Lord of the House is placed. Here the House is treated as the first house and same method as above is applied. The same principle is again applioed when checking the relationship between Mahadasha and antardasha Lord. For if antardasha Lord is placed in 6th from the Mahadasha Lord, then it means that it is placed in enemy sthana. Etc.Etc. regards, Bhaskar. , " prabha.acharya " <prabha.acharya wrote: > > Respected Bhaskarji, Sreenadhji, Sunilji and Learned Members > I was wondering if there is any reason behind the theory that 6:8 position of planet placement is considered bad. And 5:9 position of planets placement is considered very good. > Is there any reason behind that theory in our classics? > If there is any reason please could you share it? > Thanks > Prabha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Sir, If the Lagna Lord placed in 6th house in its on Rashi, the same principle will apply? feel obliged, if clarification made by your goodself. Regards/Anand Jain--- On Thu, 20/8/09, bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: bhaskar_jyotish <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Some Basics of Astrology Date: Thursday, 20 August, 2009, 8:53 AM Dear Prabha ji,As per general rules, in a Kala purusha chart, the 6th house is amalefic house and so is the 8th, or the Mrityu sthana. To check thestremngth of any Horoscope, we check the Lagna Lord of the Horoscope howit is placed.In same way when we check the House in any Chart, then the first thingis to check the strength of the house by checking where the Lord of theHouse is placed. Here the House is treated as the first house and samemethod as above is applied.The same principle is again applioed when checking the relationshipbetween Mahadasha and antardasha Lord. For if antardasha Lord is placedin 6th from the Mahadasha Lord, then it means that it is placed in enemysthana. Etc.Etc.regards,Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, "prabha.acharya"<prabha.acharya@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Bhaskarji, Sreenadhji, Sunilji and Learned Members> I was wondering if there is any reason behind the theory that 6:8position of planet placement is considered bad. And 5:9 position ofplanets placement is considered very good.> Is there any reason behind that theory in our classics?> If there is any reason please could you share it?> Thanks> Prabha> Love Cricket? Check out live scores, photos, video highlights and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Dear prabha jee, Please refer to Ashtakvarg chapter of Jatak Parijata or Brihat Jataka. Carefully see the relative planetary positions getting positive (beneficial) points in Ashtakvarga. You will observe that all 6/8 or 2/12 placements of planets are not bad ! There are some important excpetions too ! Similarly trine (5/9) relationship between moon and mercury is not desirable one. So rather than gesticulating for theories simply refer to Ashtakvarg chapter of the good old classics. Regards, Mrutyunjay Tripathy , " prabha.acharya " <prabha.acharya wrote: > > Respected Bhaskarji, Sreenadhji, Sunilji and Learned Members > I was wondering if there is any reason behind the theory that 6:8 position of planet placement is considered bad. And 5:9 position of planets placement is considered very good. > Is there any reason behind that theory in our classics? > If there is any reason please could you share it? > Thanks > Prabha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Dear Prabha Ji, The following reasoning might be very basic and primitive for many advanced learners, so if it does not serve the purpose, please ignore. But here goes: The Lagna is where every thing rises in the horoscope. So the 1st house is very auspicious. However, just a couple of hours after that the glory of the "rising" is gone and now, since the relative glory has reduced, there is a "loss of brilliance". Since this "loss" compared with the "glory of a rising graha" is significant, the 12H becomes the house of Loss. As the Grahas keep moving through the sky when they reach the 10H they are very significant and obvious in the sky. As it keeps moving and approaches the 7H where the Grahas are actually "setting". However, a few hours before the Grahas actually set, they are in the 8H. At this point the Graha has lost most of its "splendour" and has the "fear" of impending "doom". Hence this "fear of impending doom" makes the 8H the most potent malefic house in the chart. When the Graha reaches the 7H where it actually "dies" or "sets" it has accepted its destiny and hence, although it is dead, it is at "peace". Hence 7H is a Maraka Sthan but not a dusthana. Now having "died" the Graha continues its journey, to "emerge out of the darkness" and moves in to the 6H. Now once again it is trying to emerge from darkness, but there is a sense of fear of the unknown again and hence 6H is a dusthana. However since the trajectory is towards a positive direction, it is also a upachayashthana and hence a milder dusthana than the 8H. The Graha continues its journey and by the time it reaches the 4H it is below in a very private place. This privacy once again brings a sense of "peace" and "sukh". The Graha continues to the 3H and now the "privacy and intimacy" is lost and once again an uncertainity sets in, because the Graha is going to be "visible" again in the future. However, there is mixed feelings because despite the loss of privacy, despite being 8th from the 8H, there is the promise of the upcoming opportunity to "Rise" again. Hence 3H is also a dusthana but a much milder one and it is also a Upachayasthana. Because of this now to differentiate, we treat 3H, 6H, 8H, 12H as dusthanas but 6H, 8H, 12H as "Trikkisthanas". The Graha continuing its journey arrives at the 2H. Logic says the being the reflection of the 8H, the 2H should also be a trikisthana? However since the promise of "The glory of Rising again" is near at hand, the 2H, escapes that ominous distinction. However being 12th from the 3H (3H being 8th from the 8H of longevity and hence another derived house of longevity), the 2H also becomes a Maraka house. So from the above discussion it is clear that 3H, 6H, 8H, 12H, 2H and 7H have been "tagged" with either being a trikisthana or dusthana or a maraka house. So now when we take Dasha Lagna (which by the way is a very important and often under-utilized concept) then the Dasha Lord - Antar Lord always happen in pairs. So the choices are 2/12, 3/11, 4/10, 5/9, 6/8, 7/7, 8/6, 9/5, 10/4, 11/3, 12/2. It is clear from the above that 6/8 and 8/6 relationships are the only ones that involve two dusthana Lords which also happen to be trikkisthana lords. Hence it can be quite inauspicious. Coming to the classics, this has been repeated in our classics over and over again. Here are some examples from BPHS: 69-73. Displeasure of the king, mental agony and distress to wife and children will be the effects in the Antar Dasha of Venus, if he is in the 6th, the 8th, or the 12th from the Lord of the Dasha. 9-12. Distress to the body, losses at home and in agricultural production, losses in business dealings, antagonism, or adverse relations with servants (employees) and the king, separation from kinsmen and hot temperament will be the evil effects in the Antar Dasha of Mars, if he is placed in 6th, 8th, or 12th from Lagna, be associated with, or receives a Aspect from malefics in the 6th, the 8th, or the 12th from the Lord of the Dasha. 17-18. Loss of position, mental agony, distress to wife and children, danger of diseases, danger from the king, scorpions and snakes etc. will happen, if Rahu is weak and is placed in the 8th, or the 12th from the Lord of the Dasha. 25-28. Destruction of preceptor (and father etc.) and children, loss of position, mental agony, quarrels, destruction of a house, conveyances and agricultural land will be the evil effects in his Antar Dasha, if Jupiter is in 6th, 8th, or 12th, if Jupiter is combust, in his debilitation RÄÅ›i, or be associated with malefics. Gains of cattle, grains, clothes and happiness from brothers, acquisition of property, valor, patience, oblations, celebrations, like marriage etc., gain of a kingdom etc. will be the favourable effects, if Jupiter is in 3rd, or in the 11th from the Lord of the Dasha. 42-43. Effects, like marriage, oblations (Yagya), charities, performance of religious rites, close relations with the king, social contacts with men of learning, acquisition of pearls, corals, Mani (jewels), conveyances, clothes, ornaments, good health, affections, enjoyments, drinking of Soma Rasa and other tasty syrups etc. will be derived in the Antar Dasha of Mercury, if he is in a Kendra, or in a Trikona, or in the 11th, or in the 2nd from the Lord of the Dasha. 44-46. Pains in the body, loss in agricultural ventures, imprisonment, distress to wife and children will be the inauspicious effects, if Mercury be in the 6th, the 8th, or the 12th from the Lord of the Dasha, or be in his debilitation RÄÅ›i. If Mercury is the Lord of 2nd, or 7th, there will be fear of fever. There are much more evin in BPHS and more in the other classics and this is an often repeated and very important concept. Regards, -Manoj prabha.acharya <prabha.acharya Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:31:55 AM Re: Some Basics of Astrology Respected Bhaskarji, Mrtyunjayji and Learned members,Thanks for replying to my mail. Mr Mrtyunjay, thanks to guide me towards JP & BJ classic books.My main question was not the exception rules but in general when we talk about placement of planets we do consider that when planets is in 5:9 it is good but being in 6:8 is bad.Like when we talk about friendship betweem planets there is a rule for that. Same way I was wondering if there is a rule for planet placement.ThanksPrabha ancient_indian_ astrology, "astrologer_ mrutyunjay" <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote:>> Dear prabha jee,> > Please refer to Ashtakvarg chapter of> > Jatak Parijata or Brihat Jataka.> > Carefully see the relative planetary positions> > getting positive (beneficial) points in Ashtakvarga.> > You will observe that all 6/8 or 2/12 placements> > of planets are not bad !> > There are some important excpetions too !> > Similarly trine (5/9) relationship between moon and mercury> > is not desirable one.> > So rather than gesticulating for theories simply refer to Ashtakvarg chapter of the good old classics.> > Regards,> > Mrutyunjay Tripathy> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "prabha.acharya" <prabha.acharya@ > wrote:> >> > Respected Bhaskarji, Sreenadhji, Sunilji and Learned Members> > I was wondering if there is any reason behind the theory that 6:8 position of planet placement is considered bad. And 5:9 position of planets placement is considered very good. > > Is there any reason behind that theory in our classics?> > If there is any reason please could you share it?> > Thanks> > Prabha> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Respected Manoj ji Thanks for such a nice explanation. Prabha On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojwrote: > > > Dear Prabha Ji, > > A small typo: > > ==> > It is clear from the above that 6/8 and 8/6 relationships are the only ones > that involve *two dusthana Lords* which also happen to be trikkisthana * > lords*. Hence it can be quite inauspicious > <== > > should have read: > > It is clear from the above that 6/8 and 8/6 relationships are the only > ones that involve *two dusthana placements* which also happen to be > trikkisthana *placements* . Hence it can be quite inauspicious. > > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > ------------------------------ > ** Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj > *To:* > *Sent:* Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:43:37 AM > *Subject:* Re: Re: Some Basics of Astrology > > > > Dear Prabha Ji, > > The following reasoning might be very basic and primitive for many advanced > learners, so if it does not serve the purpose, please ignore. But here goes: > > The Lagna is where every thing rises in the horoscope. So the 1st house is > very auspicious. However, just a couple of hours after that the glory of the > " rising " is gone and now, since the relative glory has reduced, there is a > " loss of brilliance " . Since this " loss " compared with the " glory of a rising > graha " is significant, the 12H becomes the house of Loss. As the Grahas keep > moving through the sky when they reach the 10H they are very significant and > obvious in the sky. As it keeps moving and approaches the 7H where the > Grahas are actually " setting " . However, a few hours before the Grahas > actually set, they are in the 8H. At this point the Graha has lost most of > its " splendour " and has the " *fear* " of impending " *doom* " . Hence this > " fear of impending doom " makes the 8H the most potent malefic house in the > chart. When the Graha reaches the 7H where it actually " dies " or " sets " it > has accepted its destiny and hence, although it is dead, it is at " peace " . > Hence 7H is a Maraka Sthan but not a dusthana. > > Now having " died " the Graha continues its journey, to " emerge out of the > darkness " and moves in to the 6H. Now once again it is trying to emerge from > darkness, but there is a sense of fear of the unknown again and hence 6H is > a dusthana. However since the trajectory is towards a positive direction, it > is also a upachayashthana and hence a milder dusthana than the 8H. The Graha > continues its journey and by the time it reaches the 4H it is below in a > very private place. This privacy once again brings a sense of " peace " and > " sukh " . The Graha continues to the 3H and now the " privacy and intimacy " is > lost and once again an uncertainity sets in, because the Graha is going to > be " visible " again in the future. However, there is mixed feelings because > despite the loss of privacy, despite being 8th from the 8H, there is the > promise of the upcoming opportunity to " Rise " again. Hence 3H is also a > dusthana but a much milder one and it is also a Upachayasthana. Because of > this now to differentiate, we treat 3H, 6H, 8H, 12H as dusthanas but 6H, 8H, > 12H as " Trikkisthanas " . The Graha continuing its journey arrives at the 2H. > Logic says the being the reflection of the 8H, the 2H should also be a > trikisthana? However since the promise of " The glory of Rising again " is > near at hand, the 2H, escapes that ominous distinction. However being 12th > from the 3H (3H being 8th from the 8H of longevity and hence another derived > house of longevity), the 2H also becomes a Maraka house. > > So from the above discussion it is clear that 3H, 6H, 8H, 12H, 2H and 7H > have been " tagged " with either being a trikisthana or dusthana or a maraka > house. So now when we take Dasha Lagna (which by the way is a very important > and often under-utilized concept) then the Dasha Lord - Antar Lord always > happen in pairs. So the choices are 2/12, 3/11, 4/10, 5/9, 6/8, 7/7, 8/6, > 9/5, 10/4, 11/3, 12/2. > > It is clear from the above that 6/8 and 8/6 relationships are the only ones > that involve two dusthana Lords which also happen to be trikkisthana lords. > Hence it can be quite inauspicious. > > Coming to the classics, this has been repeated in our classics over and > over again. Here are some examples from BPHS: > > 69-73. *Displeasure of the king, mental agony and distress to wife and > children will be the effects in the Antar Dasha of Venus, if he is in the > 6th, the 8th, or the 12th from the Lord of the Dasha.* > > 9-12. Distress to the body, losses at home and in agricultural production, > losses in business dealings, antagonism, or adverse relations with servants > (employees) and the king, separation from kinsmen and hot temperament will > be the evil effects in the Antar Dasha of Mars, if he is placed in 6th, 8th, > or 12th from Lagna, be associated with, *or receives a Aspect from > malefics in the 6th, the 8th, or the 12th from the Lord of the Dasha.* > ** > 17-18. *Loss of position, mental agony, distress to wife and children, > danger of diseases, danger from the king, scorpions and snakes etc. will > happen, if Rahu is weak and is placed in the 8th, or the 12th from the Lord > of the Dasha.* > ** > 25-28. Destruction of preceptor (and father etc.) and children, loss of > position, mental agony, quarrels, destruction of a house, conveyances and > agricultural land will be the evil effects in his Antar Dasha, if Jupiter is > in 6th, 8th, or 12th, if Jupiter is combust, in his debilitation RÄÅ›i, or be > associated with malefics. *Gains of cattle, grains, clothes and happiness > from brothers, acquisition of property, valor, patience, oblations, > celebrations, like marriage etc., gain of a kingdom etc. will be the > favourable effects, if Jupiter is in 3rd, or in the 11th from the Lord of > the Dasha. > * > 42-43. Effects, like marriage, oblations (Yagya), charities, performance > of religious rites, close relations with the king, social contacts with men > of learning, acquisition of pearls, corals, Mani (jewels), conveyances, > clothes, ornaments, good health, affections, enjoyments, drinking of Soma > Rasa *and other tasty syrups etc.* *will be derived in the Antar Dasha of > Mercury, if he is in a Kendra, or in a Trikona, or in the 11th, or in the > 2nd from the Lord of the Dasha.* > > 44-46. *Pains in the body, loss in agricultural ventures, imprisonment, > distress to wife and children will be the inauspicious effects, if Mercury > be in the 6th, the 8th, or the 12th from the Lord of the Dasha,* or be in > his debilitation RÄÅ›i. If Mercury is the Lord of 2nd, or 7th, there will be > fear of fever. > > There are much more evin in BPHS and more in the other classics and this is > an often repeated and very important concept. > > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > ------------------------------ > ** prabha.acharya <prabha.acharya@ gmail.com> > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology > *Sent:* Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:31:55 AM > *Subject:* [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Some Basics of Astrology > > > > Respected Bhaskarji, Mrtyunjayji and Learned members, > Thanks for replying to my mail. > Mr Mrtyunjay, thanks to guide me towards JP & BJ classic books. > My main question was not the exception rules but in general when we talk > about placement of planets we do consider that when planets is in 5:9 it is > good but being in 6:8 is bad. > Like when we talk about friendship betweem planets there is a rule for > that. Same way I was wondering if there is a rule for planet placement. > Thanks > Prabha > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<%40>, > " astrologer_ mrutyunjay " <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear prabha jee, > > > > Please refer to Ashtakvarg chapter of > > > > Jatak Parijata or Brihat Jataka. > > > > Carefully see the relative planetary positions > > > > getting positive (beneficial) points in Ashtakvarga. > > > > You will observe that all 6/8 or 2/12 placements > > > > of planets are not bad ! > > > > There are some important excpetions too ! > > > > Similarly trine (5/9) relationship between moon and mercury > > > > is not desirable one. > > > > So rather than gesticulating for theories simply refer to Ashtakvarg > chapter of the good old classics. > > > > Regards, > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<%40>, > " prabha.acharya " <prabha.acharya@ > wrote: > > > > > > Respected Bhaskarji, Sreenadhji, Sunilji and Learned Members > > > I was wondering if there is any reason behind the theory that 6:8 > position of planet placement is considered bad. And 5:9 position of planets > placement is considered very good. > > > Is there any reason behind that theory in our classics? > > > If there is any reason please could you share it? > > > Thanks > > > Prabha > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: Dear Manoj ji, I can't understand the para in your msg: So from the above discussion it is clear that 3H, 6H, 8H, 12H, 2H and 7H have been " tagged " with either being a trikisthana or dusthana or a maraka house. So now when we take Dasha Lagna (which by the way is a very important and often under-utilized concept) then the Dasha Lord - Antar Lord always happen in pairs. So the choices are 2/12, 3/11, 4/10, 5/9, 6/8, 7/7, 8/6, 9/5, 10/4, 11/3, 12/2. please explain sir. Mylaporemani Dear Prabha Ji, > > The following reasoning might be very basic and primitive for many advanced learners, so if it does not serve the purpose, please ignore. But here goes: > >  The Lagna is where every thing rises in the horoscope. So the 1st house is very auspicious. However, just a couple of hours after that the glory of the " rising " is gone and now, since the relative glory has reduced, there is a " loss of brilliance " . Since this " loss " compared with the " glory of a rising graha " is significant, the 12H becomes the house of Loss. As the Grahas keep moving through the sky when they reach the 10H they are very significant and obvious in the sky. As it keeps moving and approaches the 7H where the Grahas are actually " setting " . However, a few hours before the Grahas actually set, they are in the 8H. At this point the Graha has lost most of its " splendour " and has the " fear " of impending " doom " . Hence this " fear of impending doom " makes the 8H the most potent malefic house in the chart. When the Graha reaches the 7H where it actually " dies " or " sets " it has accepted its destiny and hence, although it is dead, it is at " peace " . > Hence 7H is a Maraka Sthan but not a dusthana. > > Now having " died " the Graha continues its journey, to " emerge out of the darkness " and moves in to the 6H. Now once again it is trying to emerge from darkness, but there is a sense of fear of the unknown again and hence 6H is a dusthana. However since the trajectory is towards a positive direction, it is also a upachayashthana and hence a milder dusthana than the 8H. The Graha continues its journey and by the time it reaches the 4H it is below in a very private place. This privacy once again brings a sense of " peace " and " sukh " . The Graha continues to the 3H and now the " privacy and intimacy " is lost and once again an uncertainity sets in, because the Graha is going to be " visible " again in the future. However, there is mixed feelings because despite the loss of privacy, despite being 8th from the 8H, there is the promise of the upcoming opportunity to " Rise " again. Hence 3H is also a dusthana but a much milder one and it is also a Upachayasthana. > Because of this now to differentiate, we treat 3H, 6H, 8H, 12H as dusthanas but 6H, 8H, 12H as " Trikkisthanas " . The Graha continuing its journey arrives at the 2H. Logic says the being the reflection of the 8H, the 2H should also be a trikisthana? However since the promise of " The glory of Rising again " is near at hand, the 2H, escapes that ominous distinction. However being 12th from the 3H (3H being 8th from the 8H of longevity and hence another derived house of longevity), the 2H also becomes a Maraka house. > > So from the above discussion it is clear that 3H, 6H, 8H, 12H, 2H and 7H have been " tagged " with either being a trikisthana or dusthana or a maraka house. So now when we take Dasha Lagna (which by the way is a very important and often under-utilized concept) then the Dasha Lord - Antar Lord always happen in pairs. So the choices are 2/12, 3/11, 4/10, 5/9, 6/8, 7/7, 8/6, 9/5, 10/4, 11/3, 12/2. > > It is clear from the above that 6/8 and 8/6 relationships are the only ones that involve two dusthana Lords which also happen to be trikkisthana lords. Hence it can be quite inauspicious. > > Coming to the classics, this has been repeated in our classics over and over again. Here are some examples from BPHS: > > 69-73. Displeasure of the king, mental agony and distress to wife and children will be the effects in the Antar Dasha of Venus, if he is in the 6th, the 8th, or the 12th from the Lord of the Dasha. > > 9-12. Distress to the body, losses at home and in agricultural production, losses in business dealings, antagonism, or adverse relations with servants (employees) and the king, separation from kinsmen and hot temperament will be the evil effects in the Antar Dasha of Mars, if he is placed in 6th, 8th, or 12th from Lagna, be associated with, or receives a Aspect from malefics in the 6th, the 8th, or the 12th from the Lord of the Dasha. >  > 17-18. Loss of position, mental agony, distress to wife and children, danger of diseases, danger from the king, scorpions and snakes etc. will happen, if Rahu is weak and is placed in the 8th, or the 12th from the Lord of the Dasha. >  > 25-28. Destruction of preceptor (and father etc.) and children, loss of position, mental agony, quarrels, destruction of a house, conveyances and agricultural land will be the evil effects in his Antar Dasha, if Jupiter is in 6th, 8th, or 12th, if Jupiter is combust, in his debilitation RÄÅ›i, or be associated with malefics. Gains of cattle, grains, clothes and happiness from brothers, acquisition of property, valor, patience, oblations, celebrations, like marriage etc., gain of a kingdom etc. will be the favourable effects, if Jupiter is in 3rd, or in the 11th from the Lord of the Dasha. > > 42-43. Effects, like marriage, oblations (Yagya), charities, performance of religious rites, close relations with the king, social contacts with men of learning, acquisition of pearls, corals, Mani (jewels), conveyances, clothes, ornaments, good health, affections, enjoyments, drinking of Soma Rasa and other tasty syrups etc. will be derived in the Antar Dasha of Mercury, if he is in a Kendra, or in a Trikona, or in the 11th, or in the 2nd from the Lord of the Dasha. > > 44-46. Pains in the body, loss in agricultural ventures, imprisonment, distress to wife and children will be the inauspicious effects, if Mercury be in the 6th, the 8th, or the 12th from the Lord of the Dasha, or be in his debilitation RÄÅ›i. If Mercury is the Lord of 2nd, or 7th, there will be fear of fever. > > There are much more evin in BPHS and more in the other classics and this is an often repeated and very important concept. > > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ________________________________ > prabha.acharya <prabha.acharya > > Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:31:55 AM > Re: Some Basics of Astrology > >  > Respected Bhaskarji, Mrtyunjayji and Learned members, > Thanks for replying to my mail. > Mr Mrtyunjay, thanks to guide me towards JP & BJ classic books. > My main question was not the exception rules but in general when we talk about placement of planets we do consider that when planets is in 5:9 it is good but being in 6:8 is bad. > Like when we talk about friendship betweem planets there is a rule for that. Same way I was wondering if there is a rule for planet placement. > Thanks > Prabha > ancient_indian_ astrology, " astrologer_ mrutyunjay " <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear prabha jee, > > > > Please refer to Ashtakvarg chapter of > > > > Jatak Parijata or Brihat Jataka. > > > > Carefully see the relative planetary positions > > > > getting positive (beneficial) points in Ashtakvarga. > > > > You will observe that all 6/8 or 2/12 placements > > > > of planets are not bad ! > > > > There are some important excpetions too ! > > > > Similarly trine (5/9) relationship between moon and mercury > > > > is not desirable one. > > > > So rather than gesticulating for theories simply refer to Ashtakvarg chapter of the good old classics. > > > > Regards, > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " prabha.acharya " <prabha.acharya@ > wrote: > > > > > > Respected Bhaskarji, Sreenadhji, Sunilji and Learned Members > > > I was wondering if there is any reason behind the theory that 6:8 position of planet placement is considered bad. And 5:9 position of planets placement is considered very good. > > > Is there any reason behind that theory in our classics? > > > If there is any reason please could you share it? > > > Thanks > > > Prabha > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, Doubts cleared. Thank you. Regards, Mylaporemani. , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Mylaporemani Ji, > > Let us take an example and it will be clear. Assume Dasha Lord (DL) is in Aries for the following discussion. If Antar Lord (AnL) is in Taurus he is 2nd from the DL. Hence in this case the DL/AnL are 2/12. If the AnL is in Pisces, then, DL/AnL are 12/2. Similarily if AnL is in Virgo, DL/AnL are 6/8 (Virgo being 6th from Aries and in turn, Aries being 8th from Virgo). If AnL is in Scorpio, DL/AnL are 8/6. > > Hope that explains things clearly. > > Regards, >  -Manoj >  > > > > > ________________________________ > mylaporemani <mstm > > Sunday, August 23, 2009 4:44:05 AM > Re: Some Basics of Astrology > >  > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Manoj ji, > I can't understand the para in your msg: > > So from the above discussion it is clear that 3H, 6H, 8H, 12H, 2H and 7H have been " tagged " with either being a trikisthana or dusthana or a maraka house. So now when we take Dasha Lagna (which by the way is a very important and often under-utilized concept) then the Dasha Lord - Antar Lord always happen in pairs. So the choices are 2/12, 3/11, 4/10, 5/9, 6/8, 7/7, 8/6, 9/5, 10/4, 11/3, 12/2. > > please explain sir. > > Mylaporemani > > > Dear Prabha Ji, > > > > The following reasoning might be very basic and primitive for many advanced learners, so if it does not serve the purpose, please ignore. But here goes: > > > >  The Lagna is where every thing rises in the horoscope. So the 1st house is very auspicious. However, just a couple of hours after that the glory of the " rising " is gone and now, since the relative glory has reduced, there is a " loss of brilliance " . Since this " loss " compared with the " glory of a rising graha " is significant, the 12H becomes the house of Loss. As the Grahas keep moving through the sky when they reach the 10H they are very significant and obvious in the sky. As it keeps moving and approaches the 7H where the Grahas are actually " setting " . However, a few hours before the Grahas actually set, they are in the 8H. At this point the Graha has lost most of its " splendour " and has the " fear " of impending " doom " . Hence this " fear of impending doom " makes the 8H the most potent malefic house in the chart. When the Graha reaches the 7H where it actually " dies " or " sets " it has accepted its destiny and hence, although it is dead, it is at " peace " . > > Hence 7H is a Maraka Sthan but not a dusthana. > > > > Now having " died " the Graha continues its journey, to " emerge out of the darkness " and moves in to the 6H. Now once again it is trying to emerge from darkness, but there is a sense of fear of the unknown again and hence 6H is a dusthana. However since the trajectory is towards a positive direction, it is also a upachayashthana and hence a milder dusthana than the 8H. The Graha continues its journey and by the time it reaches the 4H it is below in a very private place. This privacy once again brings a sense of " peace " and " sukh " . The Graha continues to the 3H and now the " privacy and intimacy " is lost and once again an uncertainity sets in, because the Graha is going to be " visible " again in the future. However, there is mixed feelings because despite the loss of privacy, despite being 8th from the 8H, there is the promise of the upcoming opportunity to " Rise " again. Hence 3H is also a dusthana but a much milder one and it is also a Upachayasthana. > > Because of this now to differentiate, we treat 3H, 6H, 8H, 12H as dusthanas but 6H, 8H, 12H as " Trikkisthanas " . The Graha continuing its journey arrives at the 2H. Logic says the being the reflection of the 8H, the 2H should also be a trikisthana? However since the promise of " The glory of Rising again " is near at hand, the 2H, escapes that ominous distinction. However being 12th from the 3H (3H being 8th from the 8H of longevity and hence another derived house of longevity), the 2H also becomes a Maraka house. > > > > So from the above discussion it is clear that 3H, 6H, 8H, 12H, 2H and 7H have been " tagged " with either being a trikisthana or dusthana or a maraka house. So now when we take Dasha Lagna (which by the way is a very important and often under-utilized concept) then the Dasha Lord - Antar Lord always happen in pairs. So the choices are 2/12, 3/11, 4/10, 5/9, 6/8, 7/7, 8/6, 9/5, 10/4, 11/3, 12/2. > > > > It is clear from the above that 6/8 and 8/6 relationships are the only ones that involve two dusthana Lords which also happen to be trikkisthana lords. Hence it can be quite inauspicious. > > > > Coming to the classics, this has been repeated in our classics over and over again. Here are some examples from BPHS: > > > > 69-73. Displeasure of the king, mental agony and distress to wife and children will be the effects in the Antar Dasha of Venus, if he is in the 6th, the 8th, or the 12th from the Lord of the Dasha. > > > > 9-12. Distress to the body, losses at home and in agricultural production, losses in business dealings, antagonism, or adverse relations with servants (employees) and the king, separation from kinsmen and hot temperament will be the evil effects in the Antar Dasha of Mars, if he is placed in 6th, 8th, or 12th from Lagna, be associated with, or receives a Aspect from malefics in the 6th, the 8th, or the 12th from the Lord of the Dasha. > >  > > 17-18. Loss of position, mental agony, distress to wife and children, danger of diseases, danger from the king, scorpions and snakes etc. will happen, if Rahu is weak and is placed in the 8th, or the 12th from the Lord of the Dasha. > >  > > 25-28. Destruction of preceptor (and father etc.) and children, loss of position, mental agony, quarrels, destruction of a house, conveyances and agricultural land will be the evil effects in his Antar Dasha, if Jupiter is in 6th, 8th, or 12th, if Jupiter is combust, in his debilitation RÄÅ›i, or be associated with malefics. Gains of cattle, grains, clothes and happiness from brothers, acquisition of property, valor, patience, oblations, celebrations, like marriage etc., gain of a kingdom etc. will be the favourable effects, if Jupiter is in 3rd, or in the 11th from the Lord of the Dasha. > > > > 42-43. Effects, like marriage, oblations (Yagya), charities, performance of religious rites, close relations with the king, social contacts with men of learning, acquisition of pearls, corals, Mani (jewels), conveyances, clothes, ornaments, good health, affections, enjoyments, drinking of Soma Rasa and other tasty syrups etc. will be derived in the Antar Dasha of Mercury, if he is in a Kendra, or in a Trikona, or in the 11th, or in the 2nd from the Lord of the Dasha. > > > > 44-46. Pains in the body, loss in agricultural ventures, imprisonment, distress to wife and children will be the inauspicious effects, if Mercury be in the 6th, the 8th, or the 12th from the Lord of the Dasha, or be in his debilitation RÄÅ›i. If Mercury is the Lord of 2nd, or 7th, there will be fear of fever. > > > > There are much more evin in BPHS and more in the other classics and this is an often repeated and very important concept. > > > > Regards, > >  -Manoj > >  > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > prabha.acharya <prabha.acharya@ ...> > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:31:55 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Some Basics of Astrology > > > >  > > Respected Bhaskarji, Mrtyunjayji and Learned members, > > Thanks for replying to my mail. > > Mr Mrtyunjay, thanks to guide me towards JP & BJ classic books. > > My main question was not the exception rules but in general when we talk about placement of planets we do consider that when planets is in 5:9 it is good but being in 6:8 is bad. > > Like when we talk about friendship betweem planets there is a rule for that. Same way I was wondering if there is a rule for planet placement. > > Thanks > > Prabha > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " astrologer_ mrutyunjay " <astrologer_ mrutyunjay@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear prabha jee, > > > > > > Please refer to Ashtakvarg chapter of > > > > > > Jatak Parijata or Brihat Jataka. > > > > > > Carefully see the relative planetary positions > > > > > > getting positive (beneficial) points in Ashtakvarga. > > > > > > You will observe that all 6/8 or 2/12 placements > > > > > > of planets are not bad ! > > > > > > There are some important excpetions too ! > > > > > > Similarly trine (5/9) relationship between moon and mercury > > > > > > is not desirable one. > > > > > > So rather than gesticulating for theories simply refer to Ashtakvarg chapter of the good old classics. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Mrutyunjay Tripathy > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " prabha.acharya " <prabha.acharya@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskarji, Sreenadhji, Sunilji and Learned Members > > > > I was wondering if there is any reason behind the theory that 6:8 position of planet placement is considered bad. And 5:9 position of planets placement is considered very good. > > > > Is there any reason behind that theory in our classics? > > > > If there is any reason please could you share it? > > > > Thanks > > > > Prabha > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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