Untimely Death

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I am thankful to all those who have given their inputs enlightening me for the cause of death of the husband of the female.

 

D. D. Trivedi

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DEar Sunil ji,

Very nice of you to explain the matter to me.

I hope the group will contribute and continue this discussion as this appears to be a rather tricky subject.

Regards,

Anita--- On Thu, 27/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala Re: Untimely Death Date: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 3:55 AM

Dear anita Ji Thanks for ur post The 7th H is ruling marriage ,the person ,his quality and our approach to marital life etc and 8th shows its Longitivity ,also Our Longitivity too ( both has a say in Longitivity of married life ),even it can show Income of partner etc if many planets in 7th then they can always work as maraka for self ( maraka means not neccessarily killer but can cause pain too ) ,also can show a sort of Multitude ( multiplicity ) in marriage matters ,so it may affect the quality of married life ,more than one marriage is decided by desa ,kala patra too ,some persons due to culture wont get seperated at all ,I know many kerala christians suffeering in their married Life as it is against their blf and divorse has to b endoresed by pope himself with valid reasons ( means only adultery and u shud proov it with solid proof -other wise he also will not giv

approaval )i also hav a chart with 5 planets in 7th house ,a lady belong to one of the Royal family of south india and her marriage life is very good frm outside ,and she personaly told me she was living Like a virgin all the life and has 2 kids ( with medical help ) and she is Now 64 .still Husband is aliv .Now her daughter is also having the same problem tho her 7th L is in 8th ( husband is away and doing business in dubai and i think it was an excuse frm him to avoid her tho he used to come every 6 months in india still she also complains same thing .her chart the venus is heavily afflicted and his chart venus in in 12th house in virgo in debilation and with so many planets ) Her lagna and Moon sign is leo and sani in pisces and venus in taurus with mars and rahu aspected by sani I always thinks this Husband is interested in getting money when ever required to expand business and which is givn by them always without any question s

,she is a govrmtnt officer and it is the excuse he always says to her for Not taking her along and Now she is a mental patient too .As i think she Knows why this is happening,during marriage he was working in Prvt firm in india .Even it says so many planets in House ( other than pravarjya yoga -its quality also can b decided By her 9th House and still strnght etc ) can spoil such House and its dasa periods as many planets will fight each other to giv its results and finaly whole life too in a mess if the dasa is happening also concentrating in 7th house planets .So very deep scrutiny of charts and their personal relationships with astrologers may always tell the real truth i dont hav much time ,so post data and let grp discuss it rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> This is with

reference to your post on marriage and matching of horoscopes.> I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be clean. Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have a cousin whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.> Regards, > Anita> > --- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji > > Thanks for ur Post > > As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i feel > > it

that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or other way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching can take us ?> > also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened in a chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other wise with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is No badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one can escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or marriage or sickness > > Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one glance > as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .> > Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says mars as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya is realy affected by placemnt of

a malefic there and position of a planet in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th house here > > even there is a dictum that "navame subhasamyukte naari --"" has less problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a good married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not exprnce widowhood too > > But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to various factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital affairs and ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .> > as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they represent in married Life ) > > also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only possible periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart matchting we hav to consider

Longitivity of Husband too --i was telling many times even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise and unless some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at times how ever learned too )> > Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if the same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and other vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth time the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need not hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a 5 Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a nativ born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub periods and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt effects in dasa and all coming dasa s than expected .Then only if u see the karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the karaka ( here take venus and

its karaka effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa is givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast 90 % of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first glance look of charts .> > Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s work together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is pointing some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .> > So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts may mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known and hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every thing as it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events > ------------ --------- --------- --------- -> > so see dasa also to see its effects > > > U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on > > do u know 2nd House

can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4 ,so i find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way ,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th house of family happiness > > I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was rahu ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try to giv its best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of Planet who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad > even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in and it may b felt tru their dasa even > > and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also some weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in mrityubhaga ( if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga everytime now and i dont know by heart the table ) > > So the

event has happened in such a dasa > > also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also happeneing ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if the period together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean ending of a dasa or begining of another dasa ) > > Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa dispositor dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life > > ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too ) -the navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in dasa and it can even lead to vaidavya ) > > I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as strting Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all major planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .> > if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the lagna was rising on her

8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and mangal dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got a quality of swiftness and sudden action and results > > if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i used to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects ) > > every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the ketu ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its 12th house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good planets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less effectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching ) > > also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both has panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in aquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L .> > so the dasa was working like hands of a clock >

> even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and its 8th L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity of married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm lagna ) > > i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya@ wrote:> >> > Pranams,> > > > Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,> > > > The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.> > > > In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory direct pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa Guru bukti impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house mood seem to have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her

husband.Thus,> > (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are bathaka to her..Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said to be capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.> > (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed at the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.> > (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).> > > > (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another foreign land,> > (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give "soodhaka dosha" visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead its transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its PAV.> > (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).> > > > Regards/Dhananjayan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ . wrote:>

> > > dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lerarned Astrologers,> > > > I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on 9th August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e. after the midnight of 8th August in USA after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant he did not survive.> > > > Details of the female is as under> > > > Date of Birth 10th August 1979> > Place of Birth Mumbai> > Time of Birth 11.45 am> >

> > I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition to ask at the moment.> > > > She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in Mithun rashi.. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till 4.6.2010. Her Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets. I could not understand astrologically why she lost her husband.> > > > Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon and the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru Dosha?> > > > I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event which has taken place.> > > > D. D. Trivedi> > > > See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Gopi ji A planet can cause misery if or not they r badaka planets according to badak theory for dual signs the badaka Houses also is maraks too tho they r No-1 benefics except mercury who depending on placemnts and assossiation changes color fast Hope u will consider all aspects in charts than simple badaka concept which will not even giv u what to predict if u use it extensivly .According to My teaching frm guru and well Known kerala tradtion badaka has to b seen in prashna and esp in cowri prahsna ( sea shells ) and see lagna rising or aruda and consider badaka .and its reasons and its pacification etc ,There is very extensiv chaptor in prashan aamraga itself and i hav discussed it also in one article a bit abt it .Actualy this shud b handled by some one who is a mantra sidha and has training in mantra sastra etc Also pls Note in natal charts ,the malefic badaka is sat and mars who its own cannot giv much raja yoga unless aspected benefics or they r fortified in own rasi etc ,so many ppl gets confused and float own theories ( pls refer jataka chandrika raja Yoga kraka phala if my memeory is correct ) or even suddenly accepts the theorys in circulation in net and those who dont use Logic first will simply fall for it Hope u can guess it and take what ever i am saying in real face value ,u can study ur own way and convince abt it u can predicts some charts with using badaka concepts and without it using other doshas in chart and see the accuracy of predictions u may acheive rgrds sunil nair , "gopi_b927" <gopi_b927 wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> I dont know why but i have a liking 4ur posts.You are the 1st one to> respond to my 1st post.> When I brought out the badhak concept you are the one to take it and> wanted the group to takeup the discussion.> I wud like to know if it is limited to prasna only since in my own chart> the badhak though a natural benefic had given me enough pain.I believe a> badhak will/may not kill but it will give badha(pain).> I am not talking about this chart but in general..........> Love and regards,> gopi.> , "astro_tellerkerala"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Dhananjayan Ji> >> > Thanks for ur Post> >> > As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna> > reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i> > feel> >> > it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or other> > way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected> > By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching> > can take us ?> >> > also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened in a> > chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other> wise> > with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is No> > badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one> > can escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business> or> > marriage or sickness> >> > Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one> > glance> > as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .> >> > Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says> mars> > as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya is> > realy affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a planet> > in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th house> > here> >> > even there is a dictum that "navame subhasamyukte naari --"" has less> > problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a> good> > married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not exprnce> > widowhood too> >> > But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to various> > factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital> affairs> > and ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .> >> > as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm> > Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they> > represent in married Life )> >> > also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only possible> > periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart matchting> we> > hav to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was telling many times> > even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise and unless> > some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at times how> > ever learned too )> >> > Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if the> > same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and other> > vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth time> > the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need not> > hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a 5> > Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a> nativ> > born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub> periods> > and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt effects> in> > dasa and all coming dasa s than expected .Then only if u see the> > karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the karaka ( here> > take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa is> > givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast 90> %> > of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first> > glance look of charts .> >> > Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s work> > together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is> pointing> > some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .> >> > So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts may> > mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known> and> > hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every> thing> > as it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events> > -------> >> > so see dasa also to see its effects> >> >> > U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on> >> > do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4> ,so> > i find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even> > relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way> > ,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th> house> > of family happiness> >> > I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was> rahu> > ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try to> > giv its best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of Planet> > who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad> > even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in and> it> > may b felt tru their dasa even> >> > and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also> some> > weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in> mrityubhaga> > ( if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga everytime now and> i> > dont know by heart the table )> >> > So the event has happened in such a dasa> >> > also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also> happeneing> > ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if the> period> > together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean ending of> a> > dasa or begining of another dasa )> >> > Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa dispositor> > dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life> >> > ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too )> -the> > navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in dasa> > and it can even lead to vaidavya )> >> > I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as strting> > Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all major> > planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .> >> > if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the> lagna> > was rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and> > mangal dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it> got> > a quality of swiftness and sudden action and results> >> > if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i used> > to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )> >> > every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the> ketu> > ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its 12th> > house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good> > planets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less> > effectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching )> >> > also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both has> > panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in> > aquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L .> >> > so the dasa was working like hands of a clock> >> > even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and its> > 8th L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity of> > married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm> lagna> > )> >> > i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time> >> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> >> >> > , Dhananjayan Brahma> > abhanaya@ wrote:> > >> > > Pranams,> > >> > > Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,> > >> > > The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.> > >> > > In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory direct> > pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa Guru> bukti> > impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house mood seem> to> > have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her husband.Thus,> > > (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are bathaka> to> > her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said to be> > capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.> > > (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed at> > the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.> > > (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).> > >> > > (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another foreign> > land,> > > (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give "soodhaka dosha"> > visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months> ahead> > its transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in> its> > PAV.> > > (The above are the Yavaneswara's opinion).> > >> > > Regards/Dhananjayan> > >> > >> > > --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ wrote:> > >> > > dushyant trivedi trivedi20@> > > Untimely Death> > > > > > Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Lerarned Astrologers,> > >> > > I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on> 9th> > August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e. after the midnight of 8th August in> USA> > after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant> he> > did not survive.> > >> > > Details of the female is as under> > >> > > Date of Birth 10th August 1979> > > Place of Birth Mumbai> > > Time of Birth 11.45 am> > >> > > I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition to> ask> > at the moment.> > >> > > She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in Mithun> > rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till 4.6.2010.> > Her Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets. I could> > not understand astrologically why she lost her husband.> > >> > > Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon> and> > the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru Dosha?> > >> > > I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event> > which has taken place.> > >> > > D. D. Trivedi> > >> > > See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you.> > Check out Buzz.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Get your preferred Email name!> > > Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com.> > > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/> > >> >>

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Dear Deepen Thakkar,

 

Thanks for the input.

 

D. D. Trivedi

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Dear Sunil ji,

 

//Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says mars as 7th

L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya is realy affected by

placemnt of a malefic there and position of a planet in 2nd House generaly dont

support its house behind which is 8th house here//

 

I know a case of another Libra native whose 7HL Mars is placed in the 9th house

and has been a widower now for nearly 26 years.

 

Thanks for the above explanation.

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " astro_tellerkerala "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

> Dear Dhananjayan Ji

>

> Thanks for ur Post

>

> As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna

> reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i

> feel

>

> it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or other

> way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected

> By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching

> can take us ?

>

> also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened in a

> chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other wise

> with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is No

> badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one

> can escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or

> marriage or sickness

>

> Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one

> glance

> as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .

>

> Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says mars

> as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya is

> realy affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a planet

> in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th house

> here

>

> even there is a dictum that " navame subhasamyukte naari -- " " has less

> problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a good

> married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not exprnce

> widowhood too

>

> But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to various

> factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital affairs

> and ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .

>

> as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm

> Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they

> represent in married Life )

>

> also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only possible

> periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart matchting we

> hav to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was telling many times

> even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise and unless

> some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at times how

> ever learned too )

>

> Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if the

> same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and other

> vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth time

> the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need not

> hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a 5

> Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a nativ

> born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub periods

> and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt effects in

> dasa and all coming dasa s than expected .Then only if u see the

> karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the karaka ( here

> take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa is

> givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast 90 %

> of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first

> glance look of charts .

>

> Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s work

> together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is pointing

> some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .

>

> So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts may

> mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known and

> hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every thing

> as it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events

> -------

>

> so see dasa also to see its effects

>

>

> U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on

>

> do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4 ,so

> i find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even

> relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way

> ,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th house

> of family happiness

>

> I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was rahu

> ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try to

> giv its best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of Planet

> who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad

> even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in and it

> may b felt tru their dasa even

>

> and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also some

> weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in mrityubhaga

> ( if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga everytime now and i

> dont know by heart the table )

>

> So the event has happened in such a dasa

>

> also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also happeneing

> ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if the period

> together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean ending of a

> dasa or begining of another dasa )

>

> Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa dispositor

> dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life

>

> ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too ) -the

> navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in dasa

> and it can even lead to vaidavya )

>

> I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as strting

> Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all major

> planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .

>

> if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the lagna

> was rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and

> mangal dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got

> a quality of swiftness and sudden action and results

>

> if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i used

> to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )

>

> every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the ketu

> ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its 12th

> house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good

> planets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less

> effectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching )

>

> also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both has

> panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in

> aquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L .

>

> so the dasa was working like hands of a clock

>

> even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and its

> 8th L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity of

> married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm lagna

> )

>

> i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time

>

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

>

>

>

> , Dhananjayan Brahma

> <abhanaya@> wrote:

> >

> > Pranams,

> >

> > Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,

> >

> > The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.

> >

> > In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory direct

> pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa Guru bukti

> impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house mood seem to

> have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her husband.Thus,

> > (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are bathaka to

> her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said to be

> capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.

> > (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed at

> the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.

> > (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).

> >

> > (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another foreign

> land,

> > (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give " soodhaka dosha "

> visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead

> its transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its

> PAV.

> > (The above are the Yavaneswara's opinion).

> >

> > Regards/Dhananjayan

> >

> >

> > --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ wrote:

> >

> > dushyant trivedi trivedi20@

> > Untimely Death

> >

> > Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM

> >

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> >

> > Dear Lerarned Astrologers,

> >

> > I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on 9th

> August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e. after the midnight of 8th August in USA

> after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant he

> did not survive.

> >

> > Details of the female is as under

> >

> > Date of Birth 10th August 1979

> > Place of Birth Mumbai

> > Time of Birth 11.45 am

> >

> > I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition to ask

> at the moment.

> >

> > She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in Mithun

> rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till 4.6.2010.

> Her Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets. I could

> not understand astrologically why she lost her husband.

> >

> > Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon and

> the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru Dosha?

> >

> > I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event

> which has taken place.

> >

> > D. D. Trivedi

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Dear Su Thanks for good words My uncertain timings is the main problem in explaining everything ,even many times u know that i cud Not even answer the charts or discussion even i initiated .Other wise i cud hav presented and discuss many charts and discussions more beautiful way rgrds sunil nair , "vreality_au" <reality_v wrote:>> //I dont know why but i have a liking 4ur posts.You are the 1st one to> > respond to my 1st post//> > I 2nd tht - Sunilji's posts are always interesting to read with something new to learn from them, even the 'forwards'.> > rgds> Su> > , "gopi_b927" gopi_b927@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> > I dont know why but i have a liking 4ur posts.You are the 1st one to> > respond to my 1st post.> > When I brought out the badhak concept you are the one to take it and> > wanted the group to takeup the discussion.> > I wud like to know if it is limited to prasna only since in my own chart> > the badhak though a natural benefic had given me enough pain.I believe a> > badhak will/may not kill but it will give badha(pain).> > I am not talking about this chart but in general..........> > Love and regards,> > gopi.> > , "astro_tellerkerala"> > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji> > >> > > Thanks for ur Post> > >> > > As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna> > > reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i> > > feel> > >> > > it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or other> > > way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected> > > By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching> > > can take us ?> > >> > > also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened in a> > > chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other> > wise> > > with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is No> > > badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one> > > can escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business> > or> > > marriage or sickness> > >> > > Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one> > > glance> > > as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .> > >> > > Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says> > mars> > > as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya is> > > realy affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a planet> > > in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th house> > > here> > >> > > even there is a dictum that "navame subhasamyukte naari --"" has less> > > problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a> > good> > > married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not exprnce> > > widowhood too> > >> > > But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to various> > > factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital> > affairs> > > and ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .> > >> > > as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm> > > Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they> > > represent in married Life )> > >> > > also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only possible> > > periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart matchting> > we> > > hav to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was telling many times> > > even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise and unless> > > some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at times how> > > ever learned too )> > >> > > Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if the> > > same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and other> > > vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth time> > > the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need not> > > hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a 5> > > Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a> > nativ> > > born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub> > periods> > > and sub sub periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt effects> > in> > > dasa and all coming dasa s than expected .Then only if u see the> > > karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the karaka ( here> > > take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa is> > > givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast 90> > %> > > of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first> > > glance look of charts .> > >> > > Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s work> > > together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is> > pointing> > > some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .> > >> > > So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts may> > > mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known> > and> > > hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every> > thing> > > as it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events> > > -------> > >> > > so see dasa also to see its effects> > >> > >> > > U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on> > >> > > do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4> > ,so> > > i find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even> > > relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way> > > ,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th> > house> > > of family happiness> > >> > > I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was> > rahu> > > ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try to> > > giv its best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of Planet> > > who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad> > > even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in and> > it> > > may b felt tru their dasa even> > >> > > and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also> > some> > > weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in> > mrityubhaga> > > ( if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga everytime now and> > i> > > dont know by heart the table )> > >> > > So the event has happened in such a dasa> > >> > > also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also> > happeneing> > > ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if the> > period> > > together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean ending of> > a> > > dasa or begining of another dasa )> > >> > > Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa dispositor> > > dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life> > >> > > ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too )> > -the> > > navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in dasa> > > and it can even lead to vaidavya )> > >> > > I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as strting> > > Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all major> > > planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .> > >> > > if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the> > lagna> > > was rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and> > > mangal dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it> > got> > > a quality of swiftness and sudden action and results> > >> > > if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i used> > > to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )> > >> > > every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the> > ketu> > > ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its 12th> > > house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good> > > planets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less> > > effectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching )> > >> > > also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both has> > > panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in> > > aquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L .> > >> > > so the dasa was working like hands of a clock> > >> > > even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and its> > > 8th L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity of> > > married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm> > lagna> > > )> > >> > > i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time> > >> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , Dhananjayan Brahma> > > abhanaya@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Pranams,> > > >> > > > Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,> > > >> > > > The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.> > > >> > > > In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory direct> > > pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa Guru> > bukti> > > impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house mood seem> > to> > > have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her husband.Thus,> > > > (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are bathaka> > to> > > her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said to be> > > capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.> > > > (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed at> > > the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.> > > > (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).> > > >> > > > (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another foreign> > > land,> > > > (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give "soodhaka dosha"> > > visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months> > ahead> > > its transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in> > its> > > PAV.> > > > (The above are the Yavaneswara's opinion).> > > >> > > > Regards/Dhananjayan> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ wrote:> > > >> > > > dushyant trivedi trivedi20@> > > > Untimely Death> > > > > > > > Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Lerarned Astrologers,> > > >> > > > I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on> > 9th> > > August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e. after the midnight of 8th August in> > USA> > > after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant> > he> > > did not survive.> > > >> > > > Details of the female is as under> > > >> > > > Date of Birth 10th August 1979> > > > Place of Birth Mumbai> > > > Time of Birth 11.45 am> > > >> > > > I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition to> > ask> > > at the moment.> > > >> > > > She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in Mithun> > > rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till 4.6.2010.> > > Her Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets. I could> > > not understand astrologically why she lost her husband.> > > >> > > > Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon> > and> > > the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru Dosha?> > > >> > > > I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event> > > which has taken place.> > > >> > > > D. D. 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Dear Dhananjayan Ji Thanks for u for giving reference and quotes on it frm some famous book First of all many dictums has to b support of some famous rishies and its reference shud b there in such Hora texts ,I am not questioning the authority of shri Ponnuswami Pillai and his scholarship or merit ,even i am not questioning some famous gurukula and parampara s .now let us see the effect in light of the chart posted here and how this can b applicable in we r discussing In my reference

book by Suchindrum PonnusamyPillai "Jyothita sastrathirattu" under

ch.Grha Dasa phala Adyayam , it explains "Bhadhaka" grhas for e.g. as

follows:######(1)The

11th,9th and 7th lords for Movable,fixed and dual signs respectively

shall give Asubha phalam if NOT placed in subha sthanam associated with

subha sambhandam or

aspected by subha grham.##############Let us See this badaka concept itself ,according to specification mentioned here Cant u see the badaka planet for the lagna <libra sun is with subhagraha s in subha place itself ########(2)The

lords of 22 Drekkanam,64th Navamsam padam and 88th navamsa padam from

Moon / Lagnam shall only give asubha /sOka/Dhuka phalam DURING THEIR

DASA BUKTI.######I agree here ,but the reference abt 88th navamsa padam may b 88th dwadamsa padam i blv 22nd drekkana lord is Venus frm Lagna and moon according parasari concepts 64th Navamsa Lord is jupiter and frm Moon it is Sun 88th dwadamsa Lord is sun again frm lagna and frm Moon it is Mercury According to Devakeralam 64th Navamsa Lord frm Karaka Venus is Jupiter ,22nd drekkana Lord is Merc so u can see effects own ur own (the dasa Lords r in mercurian nakshtra too ,the sub and sub period Lord s )#########(3)The

lords of jenma,anujenma and tri-jenma nakshtras of 3rd,5th and 7th

nakshtras if they also become the owners of 3,6,8,11 and 12th house and

when placed in its chatru,neecha sthanam or becomes asthangatham or

when placed in the 6,8 and 12th houses or make bad gochara chanchaaram

- these shall give indifferent / sOka-Dhuka phalam

during their dasa bukti.##############Janma ,sampath vipath, khsema ,pratyara ,sadaka,vadha ,mitra ,atimitra tara concepts Or GOmasadi (GO_MA_SA)Tara concepts in katapayadi which we r also using in Kerala astrology which is 3/5/7 tara s frm Birth tara itself I agree this too she Born in GURU nakshtra ,so her Janma anujenam trijanma Nakshtra frm 3rd dasa in sequence will b after guru ,sani ,merc ,ketu ,venus ,sun ,moon ,mars ,rahu in vimshottary scheme so it has to b merc first (u can see it is not in dasa ) then 5th In dasa is venus (and u can see it is not in dasa )and next according to the specification is 7th Dasa of vadha taradipa u can see it is Moon and it is not in dasa Unless birth time is bit earlier and it is Moon PD actualy and Moon dont Owns 3/6/8/11th or 12th Houses frm the chart under discussion Hope i explained the concept in lite of the specification u posted rgrds sunil nair , Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya wrote:>> Namaste,> > Mr.Sunil Nairji,> With further reference to my under noted mail,I would like to add the following.> > In my reference book by Suchindrum PonnusamyPillai "Jyothita sastrathirattu" under ch.Grha Dasa phala Adyayam , it explains "Bhadhaka" grhas for e.g. as follows:> > (1)The 11th,9th and 7th lords for Movable,fixed and dual signs respectively shall give Asubha phalam if NOT placed in subha sthanam associated with subha sambhandam or aspected by subha grham.> > > > (2)The lords of 22 Drekkanam,64th Navamsam padam and 88th navamsa padam from Moon / Lagnam shall only give asubha /sOka/Dhuka phalam DURING THEIR DASA BUKTI.> > (3)The lords of jenma,anujenma and tri-jenma nakshtras of 3rd,5th and 7th nakshtras if they also become the owners of 3,6,8,11 and 12th house and when placed in its chatru,neecha sthanam or becomes asthangatham or when placed in the 6,8 and 12th houses or make bad gochara chanchaaram - these shall give indifferent / sOka-Dhuka phalam during their dasa bukti.> > (P.S.there are further more references as that of the above but due to my personal constrains I stop with those above).> > Regards/Dhananjayan> > --- On Thu, 27/8/09, Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya wrote:> > Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya Re: Re: Untimely Death> > Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 7:54 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pranams,> > Mr.SunilNairji,> > Thanks.> My understanding is, that which give pain,ill-welfare, impediments in life are 'Bhataka'.They may be sign / house,thithi, rasi,nakshtra etc.either jointly or severally.> > Regards/Dhananjayan> > --- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:> > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 9:03 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dhananjayan Ji > > Thanks for ur Post > > As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i feel > > it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or other way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected By sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching can take us ?> > also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened in a chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other wise with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is No badaka concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one can escpe using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or marriage or sickness > > Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow> hood in one glance > as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .> > Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says mars as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya is realy affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a planet in 2nd House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th house here > > even there is a dictum that "navame subhasamyukte naari --"" has less problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a good married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not exprnce widowhood too > > But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to various factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital affairs and ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .> > as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus (> u all know what they represent in married Life ) > > also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only possible periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart matchting we hav to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was telling many times even this grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise and unless some one is very highly spiritual then even he can fail at times how ever learned too )> > Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if the same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and other vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth time the dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need not hav the effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a 5 Minit diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a nativ born with Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub periods and sub sub periods will vary> and it will giv a totaly diffrt effects in dasa and all coming dasa s than expected .Then only if u see the karaka is spolied much it may affect in quality of the karaka ( here take venus and its karaka effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa is givers of the good or worst effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast 90 % of charts the dasa will b indicating the event directly ,than first glance look of charts .> > Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s work together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is pointing some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .> > So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts may mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known and hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every thing as it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events > ------------ --------- --------- ---------> -> > so see dasa also to see its effects > > > U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on > > do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4 ,so i find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way ,As same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th house of family happiness > > I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was rahu ) ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try to giv its best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of Planet who conjoined with Nodes wil b bad > even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in and it may b felt tru their dasa even > > and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also some weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in mrityubhaga ( if jhora is> correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga everytime now and i dont know by heart the table ) > > So the event has happened in such a dasa > > also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also happeneing ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if the period together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean ending of a dasa or begining of another dasa ) > > Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa dispositor dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life > > ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too ) -the navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in dasa and it can even lead to vaidavya ) > > I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as strting Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all major planets was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .> > if u make the chart of event day u> can see the effects ( even the lagna was rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and mangal dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got a quality of swiftness and sudden action and results > > if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i used to do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects ) > > every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the ketu ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its 12th house and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good planets too ( i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less effectiv .( u can argue here i am overstrtching ) > > also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both has panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in aquarious and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L .> > so the dasa was working like hands of a clock> > > even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and its 8th L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity of married Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm lagna ) > > i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan Brahma abhanaya@ wrote:> >> > Pranams,> > > > Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,> > > > The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.> > > > In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory direct pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa Guru bukti impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house mood seem to have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her husband.Thus,> > (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both> are bathaka to her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said to be capable of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.> > (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed at the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.> > (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).> > > > (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another foreign land,> > (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give "soodhaka dosha" visana (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead its transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its PAV.> > (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).> > > > Regards/Dhananjayan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ . wrote:> > > > dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death> > ancient_indian_> astrology> > Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lerarned Astrologers,> > > > I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on 9th August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e. after the midnight of 8th August in USA after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant he did not survive.> > > > Details of the female is as under> > > > Date of Birth 10th August 1979> > Place of Birth Mumbai> > Time of Birth 11.45 am> > > > I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition to ask at the moment.> > > > She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in Mithun rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till> 4.6.2010. Her Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets. I could not understand astrologically why she lost her husband.> > > > Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon and the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru Dosha?> > > > I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event which has taken place.> > > > D. D. Trivedi> > > > See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. 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