7th Bhava

August 29, 2009

Wow! lovely discussion!!!

From better to badder, from maraka to badhaka, from giver to taker, from

rinbandhaka to value adder, the combinations are so many. But don't u think that

how we percieve our partner is nothing but a reflection of our own " individual "

selves...(1 looking at 7?)...how during the course of our lives we learn the

art of motorcycle maintenance ...so that the two wheels get aligned and do not

run in different directions...is also entirely up to us, isn't it??? If our

edges are to be smoothened / karma is to be dissolved, how essential is the

rough and tumble of this partnership, so that we emerge clean from the washing

machine!!!

Funny, isn't it, that in the Kalapurusha 1/7 axis is owned by Mars and

Venus!!!...and d-9 is all about Dharma, Marriage and the journey of the

SOUL???!!!

P.S. Dear Neelamji, in which forum have u discussed the occupancy of 2nd house

by retro planet?

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Well said Pathi ji! Agreed totally!:-)

>

> But you may also think adding to this:

> MAN IS A GIVER AND WOMAN IS A TAKER -'IN ALL' !!!!!!

> And from what she takes, a woman creates manifolds... (value addition!!)

>

> How would the growth and evolution be possible otherwise.

> The turning of wheel is important SIr! :-)

>

> 2009/8/28 venkatachala pathi <pathiav

>

> >

> > Could you both, please permit me to add! Of course, in lighter vain !!!

> >

> > MAN IS A GIVER AND WOMAN IS A TAKER -'IN ALL' !!!!!!

> >

> > Pathi,

> > ------------------------------

> > ** Anita R <ash.rsh55

> > *To:*

> > *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2009 9:40:17 AM

> >

> > *Subject:* Re: 7th Bhava tenancy

> >

> > Dear Neelam ji,

> > The questions you have raised or shall I say, your " musings " are something

> > which have bugged me no end since a long time, even before I stepped into

> > the world of astrology. I can only say they are million dollar questions.

> > Perhaps it is a question of " TWO OPPOSITES " making a " WHOLE " . You know a

> > man and a woman are supposed to be " Halves " , one being the " BETTER HALF "

> > and the other " BADDER HALF " perhaps.

> > No offense meant.

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On *Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>* wrote:

> >

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Friday, 28 August, 2009, 6:46 AM

> >

> > Dear Anita ji,

> >

> > //I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the other

> > just grabs.. //

> >

> > Sometimes I wonder why husband-wife were given the challenging and marak

> > opposition (1-7)! Bang opposite with inimical lords? Fatal attraction at

> > work?

> > Was it to *kill* each other for absolving their respective karmas?

> > Why not 3-11 mutually gainful position? Why do we need friends coming as

> > Messiahs in our life?

> >

> > And then the Shastras proclaim, Ek Gadi ke do pahiye hain?

> > Pahiye going in two different directions!! !

> >

> > Just some random thoughts.... :-)

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> > 2009/8/28 Anita R <ash.rsh55 (AT) (DOT)

com<http://in.mc948.mail./mc/compose?to=ash.rsh55

> > >

> >

> >>

> >> Dear Manoj ji,

> >> I agree about what you said about prarabda. Amen. Perhaps it is a case of

> >> bad karma from one or more of our past lives. I have seen so many cases

> >> where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs..

> >> Regards,

> >> Anita

> >>

> >> --- On *Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

<http://in.mc948.mail./mc/compose?to=chandran_manoj

> >> >* wrote:

> >>

> >> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@

<http://in.mc948.mail./mc/compose?to=chandran_manoj

> >> >

> >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> >> ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

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> >> Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 2:18 PM

> >>

> >> Anita Ji,

> >>

> >> Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also affect

> >> another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail with effects of

8L

> >> in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause. You can see that

more

> >> planets in 7H, more probability that these combinations can happen.

> >>

> >> Also regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets away with any

> >> thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

> >>

> >> I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no amount

> >> of clever chart matching is going to completely avoid those incidents. What

> >> the chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to be experienced. One can only HOPE

> >> to minimize the pain.

> >>

> >> So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly completely

> >> innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?

> >>

> >> So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but about facing the

> >> situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is the person's

> >> destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISE spiritually, what

> >> can an astrologer do to change that destiny?

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> -Manoj

> >>

> >> ------------------------------

> >> ** Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> >> *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> >> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AM

> >> *Subject:* Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> >>

> >> Dear Manoj ji

> >> You are ever so helpful.

> >> Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has many / one

> >> planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it denotes, or it is

> >> a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may get away with a

> >> lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be the only sufferer.

> >> Regards,

> >> Anita

> >>

> >> --- On *Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* wrote:

> >>

> >> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> >> ancient_indian_ astrology

> >> Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM

> >>

> >> Dear Anita Ji,

> >>

> >> I took the liberty to change the subject from " untimely death " to " 7th

> >> bhava tenancy " .

> >>

> >> Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with OK

> >> marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says " OK " is

> >> relative and in most cases it is " OK " because of societal reluctance to

> >> divorce.

> >>

> >> On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars, Rahu,

> >> Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital harmony. Sun is

> >> infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if we read our

> >> Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married life and

> >> had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good in

> >> 7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his daddy is).

> >> Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence creating

> >> Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the 7th

house.

> >> Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be the reason for

Karko

> >> Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) . Jupiter in the 7H can

> >> be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic and unafflicted and strong. If not

> >> children will cause problems in Marriage.

> >>

> >> In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> -Manoj

> >>

> >> ____________ _________ _________ __

> >> Anita R <ash.rsh55 (AT) (DOT)

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> >> >

> >> ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

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> >> Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PM

> >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

> >>

> >> Dear Sunil ji,

> >> This is with reference to your post on marriage and matching of

> >> horoscopes.

> >> I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be clean.

> >> Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have a cousin

> >> whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.

> >> Regards,

> >> Anita

> >>

> >> --- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co.

> >> in> wrote:

> >>

> >> >astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>

> >> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

> >> >ancient_indian_ astrology

> >> >Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM

> >> >

> >> >Dear Dhananjayan Ji

> >> >

> >> >Thanks for ur Post

> >> >

> >> >As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna

> >> reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i feel

> >> >

> >> >it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or other

> >> way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected By

> >> sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching can take

> >> us ?

> >> >

> >> >also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened in a

> >> chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other wise

> >> with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is No

badaka

> >> concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one can escpe

> >> using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or marriage or

> >> sickness

> >> >

> >> >Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one

> >> glance

> >> >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .

> >> >

> >> >Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says mars

> >> as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya is realy

> >> affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a planet in 2nd

> >> House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th house here

> >> >

> >> >even there is a dictum that " navame subhasamyukte naari -- " " has less

> >> problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a good

> >> married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not exprnce

> >> widowhood too

> >> >

> >> >But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to various

> >> factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital affairs

and

> >> ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .

> >> >

> >> >as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm

> >> Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they

> >> represent in married Life )

> >> >

> >> >also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only possible

> >> periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart matchting we

hav

> >> to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was telling many times even

this

> >> grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise and unless some one is

> >> very highly spiritual then even he can fail at times how ever learned too )

> >> >

> >> >Now i am giving some pointers which i dont discussed b4 ( even if the

> >> same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and other

> >> vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth time the

> >> dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need not hav the

> >> effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a 5 Minit

> >> diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a nativ born with

> >> Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub periods and sub sub

> >> periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt effects in dasa and all

> >> coming dasa s than expected .Then only if u see the karaka is spolied much

> >> it may affect in quality of the karaka ( here take venus and its karaka

> >> effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa is givers of the good or worst

> >> effects in charts ,Generaly in atleast 90 % of charts the dasa will b

> >> indicating the event directly ,than first glance look of charts .

> >> >

> >> >Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s work

> >> together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is pointing

> >> some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .

> >> >

> >> >So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts may

> >> mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known and

> >> hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every thing as

> >> it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events

> >> >----------- - --------- --------- --------- -

> >> >

> >> >so see dasa also to see its effects

> >> >

> >> >U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on

> >> >

> >> >do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4 ,so i

> >> find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even

> >> relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way ,As

> >> same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th house of

> >> family happiness

> >> >

> >> >I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was rahu )

> >> ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try to giv

its

> >> best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of Planet who

conjoined

> >> with Nodes wil b bad

> >> >even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in and it

> >> may b felt tru their dasa even

> >> >

> >> >and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also some

> >> weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in mrityubhaga (

> >> if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga everytime now and i dont

> >> know by heart the table )

> >> >

> >> >So the event has happened in such a dasa

> >> >

> >> >also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also happeneing

> >> ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if the period

> >> together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean ending of a

> >> dasa or begining of another dasa )

> >> >

> >> >Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa dispositor

> >> dasa many times i find it can act bad in married life

> >> >

> >> >ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too ) -the

> >> navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in dasa and

it

> >> can even lead to vaidavya )

> >> >

> >> >I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as strting

> >> Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all major planets

> >> was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .

> >> >

> >> >if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the lagna

> >> was rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and mangal

> >> dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got a quality

> >> of swiftness and sudden action and results

> >> >

> >> >if u hav software u can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i used to

> >> do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )

> >> >

> >> >every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the ketu

> >> ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its 12th house

> >> and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good planets too (

> >> i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less effectiv .( u can

> >> argue here i am overstrtching )

> >> >

> >> >also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both has

> >> panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in

aquarious

> >> and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..

> >> >

> >> >so the dasa was working like hands of a clock

> >> >

> >> >even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and its 8th

> >> L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity of married

> >> Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm lagna )

> >> >

> >> >i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time

> >> >

> >> >rgrds sunil nair

> >> >

> >> >ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan Brahma

> >> <abhanaya@ .> wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> Pranams,

> >> >>

> >> >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,

> >> >>

> >> >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.

> >> >>

> >> >> In my astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory direct

> >> pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa Guru bukti

> >> impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house mood seem to

> >> have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her husband.Thus,

> >> >> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are bathaka to

> >> her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said to be capable

> >> of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.

> >> >> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed at

> >> the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.

> >> >> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).

> >> >>

> >> >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another foreign

> >> land,

> >> >> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give " soodhaka dosha " visana

> >> (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead its

> >> transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its PAV.

> >> >> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).

> >> >>

> >> >> Regards/Dhananjayan

> >> >>

> >> >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ . wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .

> >> >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death

> >> >> ancient_indian_ astrology

> >> >> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM

> >> >>

> >> >> Dear Lerarned Astrologers,

> >> >>

> >> >> I am giving below the details of a female who lost her husband on 9th

> >> August 2009 at 00.28 hours i.e.. after the midnight of 8th August in USA

> >> after Bone Marrow Transplant. Inspite of the best Medical Treatmeant he did

> >> not survive.

> >> >>

> >> >> Details of the female is as under

> >> >>

> >> >> Date of Birth 10th August 1979

> >> >> Place of Birth Mumbai

> >> >> Time of Birth 11.45 am

> >> >>

> >> >> I do not have her husbands details and I am not in a posiition to ask

> >> at the moment.

> >> >>

> >> >> She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in Mithun

> >> rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till 4.6.2010. Her

> >> Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets. I could not

> >> understand astrologically why she lost her husband.

> >> >>

> >> >> Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon and

> >> the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru Dosha?

> >> >>

> >> >> I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event which

> >> has taken place.

> >> >>

> >> >> D. D. Trivedi

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August 29, 2009

Dear Shankar_mamta,

Can Ancient or for that matter,Modern or any brand of Astrology explain the entire gamut of creation,human suffering,misery and natural disasters satisfactorily ?

The final resort is to say astrology is based on the theory of Karma...!

What one is destined to suffer/enjoy,one must...

Many Astrolgers,and I prefer to call them sooth-sayers fleece the gullible and innocent

and are part of an unholy nexus of vaidics-gemdealers-jewellers,merrily performing homas/shantis/prescribing gems to be worn,even Rudrakshas are being differentiated by the number of "mukhas" they have...although the ancient VEDIC TEXTS state that AMLA and RUDRAKSHA are both the natural storehouses of Praanic Shakti...but some clever humans have differentiated them purely for deriving pecuniary benefits,and attributing the most bizare properties, and what have you...but afer all these utterly fail to change the helpless victim's plight for the better,they resort to the well-worn excuse...it was in your FATE..DESTINY. !

Do we as Astrologers,professional or amateur,contribute in any way towards this racket,knowingly or unknowingly ? By frightening people with the so-called ill-effects of Saturn,sadesathi,or kalasarpa dosha etc...?

Shouldn't astrologers desist from making such predictions designed to frighten the gulible public and drive them into the hands of such unscrupulous charlatans ?

Members views are invited,as to how we could save Astrology and Astrologers from earning a BAD NAME in the eyes of the lay public...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

GOOD LUCK !

shankar_mamta <shankar_mamta Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:18:21 AM Re: 7th Bhava

Wow! lovely discussion!! !From better to badder, from maraka to badhaka, from giver to taker, from rinbandhaka to value adder, the combinations are so many. But don't u think that how we percieve our partner is nothing but a reflection of our own "individual" selves...(1 looking at 7?)...how during the course of our lives we learn the art of motorcycle maintenance ...so that the two wheels get aligned and do not run in different directions.. .is also entirely up to us, isn't it??? If our edges are to be smoothened / karma is to be dissolved, how essential is the rough and tumble of this partnership, so that we emerge clean from the washing machine!!! Funny, isn't it, that in the Kalapurusha 1/7 axis is owned by Mars and Venus!!!...and d-9 is all about Dharma, Marriage and the journey of the SOUL???!!!P.S. Dear Neelamji, in which forum have u discussed the occupancy of 2nd house by retro planet?ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Well said Pathi ji! Agreed totally!:-)> > But you may also think adding to this:> MAN IS A GIVER AND WOMAN IS A TAKER -'IN ALL' !!!!!!> And from what she takes, a woman creates manifolds... (value addition!!)> > How would the growth and evolution be possible otherwise.> The turning of wheel is important SIr! :-)> > > > 2009/8/28 venkatachala pathi <pathiav >> > >> >> > Could you both, please permit me to add! Of course, in lighter vain !!!> >> > MAN IS A GIVER AND WOMAN IS A TAKER -'IN ALL' !!!!!!> >> > Pathi,> > ------------

--------- ---------> > ** Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..>> > *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology> > *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2009 9:40:17 AM> >> > *Subject:* Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> >> >> >> > Dear Neelam ji,> > The questions you have raised or shall I say, your "musings" are something> > which have bugged me no end since a long time, even before I stepped into> > the world of astrology. I can only say they are million dollar questions.> > Perhaps it is a question of "TWO OPPOSITES" making a "WHOLE". You know a> > man and a woman are supposed to be "Halves" , one being the "BETTER HALF"> > and the other "BADDER

HALF" perhaps.> > No offense meant.> > Regards,> > Anita> >> >> > --- On *Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>* wrote:> >> >> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, 28 August, 2009, 6:46 AM> >> > Dear Anita ji,> >> > //I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the other> > just grabs.. //> >> > Sometimes I wonder why husband-wife were given the challenging and marak> > opposition (1-7)! Bang opposite with inimical lords? Fatal attraction at> > work?> > Was it to *kill* each other for absolving their respective karmas?> > Why not 3-11 mutually

gainful position? Why do we need friends coming as> > Messiahs in our life?> >> > And then the Shastras proclaim, Ek Gadi ke do pahiye hain?> > Pahiye going in two different directions!! !> >> > Just some random thoughts.... :-)> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> >> > 2009/8/28 Anita R <ash.rsh55 <http://in.mc948. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=ash..rsh55@ ...>> > >> >> >>> >> Dear Manoj ji,> >> I agree about what you said about prarabda. Amen. Perhaps it is a case of> >> bad karma from one or more of our past lives. I have seen so many cases> >> where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs..> >>

Regards,> >> Anita> >>> >> --- On *Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ <http://in.mc948. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=chandran_ manoj> >> >* wrote:> >>> >>> >> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ <http://in.mc948. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=chandran_ manoj> >> >> >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> >> ancient_indian_ astrology<http://in.mc948. mail.. com/mc/compose?

to=ancient_ indian_astrology >> >> Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 2:18 PM> >>> >>> >>> >> Anita Ji,> >>> >> Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also affect> >> another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail with effects of 8L> >> in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause. You can see that more> >> planets in 7H, more probability that these combinations can happen.> >>> >> Also regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets away with any> >> thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.> >>> >> I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no amount> >> of clever chart matching is going to completely avoid those incidents. What>

>> the chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to be experienced. One can only HOPE> >> to minimize the pain.> >>> >> So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly completely> >> innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?> >>> >> So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but about facing the> >> situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is the person's> >> destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISE spiritually, what> >> can an astrologer do to change that destiny?> >>> >> Regards,> >> -Manoj> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------ --------- ---------> >> ** Anita R <ash.rsh55 >> >> *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology>

>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AM> >> *Subject:* Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> >>> >> Dear Manoj ji> >> You are ever so helpful.> >> Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has many / one> >> planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it denotes, or it is> >> a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may get away with a> >> lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be the only sufferer.> >> Regards,> >> Anita> >>> >> --- On *Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* wrote:> >>> >>> >> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy> >> ancient_indian_

astrology> >> Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM> >>> >> Dear Anita Ji,> >>> >> I took the liberty to change the subject from "untimely death" to "7th> >> bhava tenancy".> >>> >> Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with OK> >> marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says "OK" is> >> relative and in most cases it is "OK" because of societal reluctance to> >> divorce.> >>> >> On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars, Rahu,> >> Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital harmony. Sun is> >> infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if we read our> >> Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married life and> >>

had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good in> >> 7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his daddy is).> >> Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence creating> >> Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the 7th house.> >> Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be the reason for Karko> >> Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) . Jupiter in the 7H can> >> be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic and unafflicted and strong. If not> >> children will cause problems in Marriage.> >>> >> In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world.> >>> >> Regards,> >> -Manoj> >>> >>> >> ____________ _________ _________ __> >> Anita R

<ash.rsh55 <http://in..mc948. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=ash.rsh55% 40>> >> >> >> ancient_indian_ astrology<http://in.mc948. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>> >> Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PM> >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death> >>> >>> >> Dear Sunil ji,> >> This is with reference to your post on marriage and matching of> >> horoscopes.> >> I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be clean.> >> Could you tell me

what is the logic behind this belief.? I have a cousin> >> whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.> >> Regards,> >> Anita> >>> >> --- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co.> >> in> wrote:> >>> >> >astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>> >> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death> >> >ancient_indian_ astrology> >> >Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Dear Dhananjayan Ji> >> >> >> >Thanks for ur Post> >> >> >> >As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna> >> reading

we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i feel> >> >> >> >it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or other> >> way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected By> >> sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching can take> >> us ?> >> >> >> >also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened in a> >> chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other wise> >> with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is No badaka> >> concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one can escpe> >> using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or marriage or> >> sickness> >> >> >> >Here in this chart sure there

is no indication of widow hood in one> >> glance> >> >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .> >> >> >> >Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says mars> >> as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya is realy> >> affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a planet in 2nd> >> House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th house here> >> >> >> >even there is a dictum that "navame subhasamyukte naari --"" has less> >> problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a good> >> married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not exprnce> >> widowhood too> >> >> >> >But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to various>

>> factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital affairs and> >> ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .> >> >> >> >as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm> >> Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they> >> represent in married Life )> >> >> >> >also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only possible> >> periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart matchting we hav> >> to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was telling many times even this> >> grp that chart matchting is very serious exercise and unless some one is> >> very highly spiritual then even he can fail at times how ever learned too )> >> >> >> >Now i am giving some pointers which i

dont discussed b4 ( even if the> >> same planetary forces r there in many charts depending lagna and other> >> vargas the effects will vary also depending on diffrnce of birth time the> >> dasa also will vary ( so even the first glance bad charts need not hav the> >> effect of the charts bad aspects as dasa s r changed ,even a 5 Minit> >> diffrnce in birth time can vary dasa for 6 Months in case a nativ born with> >> Bigger planetary periods ( i mean birth dasa ),so sub periods and sub sub> >> periods will vary and it will giv a totaly diffrt effects in dasa and all> >> coming dasa s than expected .Then only if u see the karaka is spolied much> >> it may affect in quality of the karaka ( here take venus and its karaka> >> effects first ) in such charts ,as Dasa is givers of the good or worst> >> effects in charts

,Generaly in atleast 90 % of charts the dasa will b> >> indicating the event directly ,than first glance look of charts .> >> >> >> >Also dasa s and transits and the promise or weakness of a chart s work> >> together like a cosmic clock and when all hands in the clock is pointing> >> some thing bad then it becomes defenit also .> >> >> >> >So see dasa s too along with other pointers ( at times some charts may> >> mislead at one look and even confuse us too ) here event is Known and> >> hence i got a aversion also for explaining and re explaining every thing as> >> it will b termed as some circus to just to justify events> >> >----------- - --------- --------- --------- -> >> >> >> >so see dasa also to see its effects> >> >> >>

>> >> >U know that her sani the 4th and 5th L in dasa is going on> >> >> >> >do u know 2nd House can even act as maraka ,so here to the House b4 ,so i> >> find in many cases of Libra lagna the famliy happiness and even> >> relationships can b at times problem for them in one way or other way ,As> >> same Lord rules effects and maraka of the House .here the 4th house of> >> family happiness> >> >> >> >I think u know when planets is conjoined with nodes ( here it was rahu )> >> ,the nodes will mutate the real effect of planet and they may try to giv its> >> best or worst in their own dasa s only and the dasa of Planet who conjoined> >> with Nodes wil b bad> >> >even the presence of Nodes can spoil the owner of house they r in and it> >> may b felt tru

their dasa even> >> >> >> >and this chart u know jup is 64th amsa Lord and has other wise also some> >> weakness like in mrityubhaga etc ,also see 6th House also in mrityubhaga (> >> if jhora is correct as i cannot refer prashnamarga everytime now and i dont> >> know by heart the table )> >> >> >> >So the event has happened in such a dasa> >> >> >> >also see the sani chidra called end of period of sani is also happeneing> >> ,if we hav husband's chart then we can see in both charts if the period> >> together was in both charts within a span of one yr ( i mean ending of a> >> dasa or begining of another dasa )> >> >> >> >Also tho i dont giv exact quote the the ashtamesha navamsa dispositor> >> dasa many times i find it can act bad in

married life> >> >> >> >ashtamesha amsesa dasayam vidhava ( here venus is lagna Lord too ) -the> >> navamsa dispositor of ashtama graha can b bad in married life in dasa and it> >> can even lead to vaidavya )> >> >> >> >I agree with ur gochara results which u explained frm Moon as strting> >> Points ,other wise it has a gr8 say on her 8th house and all major planets> >> was aspecting or transitting to her 8th House or lord .> >> >> >> >if u make the chart of event day u can see the effects ( even the lagna> >> was rising on her 8th house with mars ( why all worry abt mars and mangal> >> dosha ?? is this not explaining ,mars is khsipra graha and it got a quality> >> of swiftness and sudden action and results> >> >> >> >if u hav software u

can see ashtavarga points of the day even ( i used to> >> do manualy b4 and i many times convinced of its effects )> >> >> >> >every one says her 7th Lord is free frm afflictions but forgets the ketu> >> ( negetor drishti On it ) and also sani drishi happening on its 12th house> >> and making a pakarthary dosha ,but in 2nd house has some good planets too (> >> i mean subha graha ) and making the karathri dosha less effectiv .( u can> >> argue here i am overstrtching )> >> >> >> >also see the navamsa of Jup ( her 3rd L and 6th L ) and sun both has> >> panchamsa ( also givn amsa to 8th frm its own natal position ) in aquarious> >> and connected with sani the 4th L and 5th L ..> >> >> >> >so the dasa was working like hands of a clock> >> >> >>

>even frm venus the karaka ,its lagna Lord ( here it is Moon ) and its 8th> >> L is also weak and spoiled ( which has major say in Longitivity of married> >> Life -here venus many ways qualifies it even as 8th L frm lagna )> >> >> >> >i hope i cud able to explain it ,with my limited time> >> >> >> >> >> >rgrds sunil nair> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan Brahma> >> <abhanaya@ .> wrote:> >> >>> >> >> Pranams,> >> >>> >> >> Mr.Dushyant Trivedi JI,> >> >>> >> >> The sad demise of the native's husband is much regretted.> >> >>> >> >> In my

astrological delineations, did not get any satisfactory direct> >> pointers for the native's widowhood but however her Sani Dasa Guru bukti> >> impaired by gochara 12 house Guru and Sani in its 8th house mood seem to> >> have worked as incidental catalyst to the death of her husband.Thus,> >> >> (1) the native was under going Guru AD in Sani MD.Both are bathaka to> >> her.Sani associated with kroora Rahu in Bathaka sthan is said to be capable> >> of depriving ones spouse during its dasa.> >> >> (2) Guru is 64th Navamsa lord in union with Bathaka Soorya,placed at> >> the 12th place to MD lord could give Duka-soka visana to the native.> >> >> (Parasara samhiradha give the above details).> >> >>> >> >> (3) 12 th house gochara Guru may cause Dhuka-sOk in another foreign> >>

land,> >> >> (4) Sani in its 8th house gochara mood may give "soodhaka dosha" visana> >> (Sani generally give its next house gochara phalam 4 months ahead its> >> transit)Further Sani seldom earned any good points at Virago in its PAV.> >> >> (The above are the Yavaneswara' s opinion).> >> >>> >> >> Regards/Dhananjayan> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ . wrote:> >> >>> >> >> dushyant trivedi trivedi20@ .> >> >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Untimely Death> >> >> ancient_indian_ astrology> >> >> Tuesday, 25 August, 2009, 10:23 AM> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>

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husbands details and I am not in a posiition to ask> >> at the moment.> >> >>> >> >> She has Tula Lagna with the 7th house lord Mars in Bhagya in Mithun> >> rashi. She is under Shani Mahadasha and Guru Antardasha till 4.6.2010. Her> >> Mars is not under any evil aspect by the transit planets. I could not> >> understand astrologically why she lost her husband.> >> >>> >> >> Is it because Shani is transiting over Shani and is 7th from Moon and> >> the Yuti of Moon and Ketu in the 5th house giving rise to Pitru Dosha?> >> >>> >> >> I hope that the learned astrologers will throw light on the event which> >> has taken place.> >> >>> >> >> D. D. Trivedi> >> >>> >> >> See the Web's breaking

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August 29, 2009

Dear Shankar_Mamta ji,It is good to see you out of your hibernation. Hope the water logging will last some time and we will enjoy your company!//Dear Neelamji, in which forum have u discussed the occupancy of 2nd house by retro planet?/

Sometimes I write in Jyotish Group. It wasn't much of a discussion, I just gave my opinion, gingerly as always!:-)Thanks and RegardsNeelam2009/8/29 shankar_mamta <shankar_mamta

Wow! lovely discussion!!!

From better to badder, from maraka to badhaka, from giver to taker, from rinbandhaka to value adder, the combinations are so many. But don't u think that how we percieve our partner is nothing but a reflection of our own " individual " selves...(1 looking at 7?)...how during the course of our lives we learn the art of motorcycle maintenance ...so that the two wheels get aligned and do not run in different directions...is also entirely up to us, isn't it??? If our edges are to be smoothened / karma is to be dissolved, how essential is the rough and tumble of this partnership, so that we emerge clean from the washing machine!!!

Funny, isn't it, that in the Kalapurusha 1/7 axis is owned by Mars and Venus!!!...and d-9 is all about Dharma, Marriage and the journey of the SOUL???!!!

P.S. Dear Neelamji, in which forum have u discussed the occupancy of 2nd house by retro planet?

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Well said Pathi ji! Agreed totally!:-)

>

> But you may also think adding to this:

> MAN IS A GIVER AND WOMAN IS A TAKER -'IN ALL' !!!!!!

> And from what she takes, a woman creates manifolds... (value addition!!)

>

> How would the growth and evolution be possible otherwise.

> The turning of wheel is important SIr! :-)

>

> 2009/8/28 venkatachala pathi <pathiav

>

> >

> > Could you both, please permit me to add! Of course, in lighter vain !!!

> >

> > MAN IS A GIVER AND WOMAN IS A TAKER -'IN ALL' !!!!!!

> >

> > Pathi,

> > ------------------------------

> > ** Anita R <ash.rsh55

> > *To:*

> > *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2009 9:40:17 AM

> >

> > *Subject:* Re: 7th Bhava tenancy

> >

> > Dear Neelam ji,

> > The questions you have raised or shall I say, your " musings " are something

> > which have bugged me no end since a long time, even before I stepped into

> > the world of astrology. I can only say they are million dollar questions.

> > Perhaps it is a question of " TWO OPPOSITES " making a " WHOLE " . You know a

> > man and a woman are supposed to be " Halves " , one being the " BETTER HALF "

> > and the other " BADDER HALF " perhaps.

> > No offense meant.

> > Regards,

> > Anita

> >

> > --- On *Fri, 28/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>* wrote:

> >

> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Friday, 28 August, 2009, 6:46 AM

> >

> > Dear Anita ji,

> >

> > //I have seen so many cases where one spouse is the giver and the other

> > just grabs.. //

> >

> > Sometimes I wonder why husband-wife were given the challenging and marak

> > opposition (1-7)! Bang opposite with inimical lords? Fatal attraction at

> > work?

> > Was it to *kill* each other for absolving their respective karmas?

> > Why not 3-11 mutually gainful position? Why do we need friends coming as

> > Messiahs in our life?

> >

> > And then the Shastras proclaim, Ek Gadi ke do pahiye hain?

> > Pahiye going in two different directions!! !

> >

> > Just some random thoughts.... :-)

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> > 2009/8/28 Anita R <ash.rsh55 <http://in.mc948.mail./mc/compose?to=ash.rsh55

> > >

> >

> >>

> >> Dear Manoj ji,

> >> I agree about what you said about prarabda. Amen. Perhaps it is a case of

> >> bad karma from one or more of our past lives. I have seen so many cases

> >> where one spouse is the giver and the other just grabs..

> >> Regards,

> >> Anita

> >>

> >> --- On *Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ <http://in.mc948.mail./mc/compose?to=chandran_manoj

> >> >* wrote:

> >>

> >> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ <http://in.mc948.mail./mc/compose?to=chandran_manoj

> >> >

> >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> >> ancient_indian_ astrology<http://in.mc948.mail./mc/compose?to= >

> >> Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 2:18 PM

> >>

> >> Anita Ji,

> >>

> >> Marriage is a two way street, what affects one person, will also affect

> >> another. We have in the past in the Group dealt in detail with effects of 8L

> >> in 7H, 6L in 7H, 5L in 7H and the problems they cause. You can see that more

> >> planets in 7H, more probability that these combinations can happen.

> >>

> >> Also regarding one person getting away with it, nobody gets away with any

> >> thing, EVER. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

> >>

> >> I may also add one thing. If a chart is afflicted for marriage, no amount

> >> of clever chart matching is going to completely avoid those incidents. What

> >> the chart shows is Prarabdha, that has to be experienced. One can only HOPE

> >> to minimize the pain.

> >>

> >> So lets us look at it this way. If the person affected is truly completely

> >> innocent, then why is the chart showing affliction?

> >>

> >> So, in my opinion, it is not about innocence or guilt but about facing the

> >> situation boldly and growing spiritually from it. If it is the person's

> >> destiny to face those problems and overcome them and RISE spiritually, what

> >> can an astrologer do to change that destiny?

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> -Manoj

> >>

> >> ------------------------------

> >> ** Anita R <ash.rsh55 >

> >> *To:* ancient_indian_ astrology

> >> *Sent:* Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:37:00 AM

> >> *Subject:* Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> >>

> >> Dear Manoj ji

> >> You are ever so helpful.

> >> Please let me know if it is troublesome for the person who has many / one

> >> planet in the 7th house or more so for the spouse whom it denotes, or it is

> >> a case trouble for both? Like Sunilji said, one person may get away with a

> >> lot of unsavory behaviour and the other person might be the only sufferer.

> >> Regards,

> >> Anita

> >>

> >> --- On *Thu, 27/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >* wrote:

> >>

> >> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] 7th Bhava tenancy

> >> ancient_indian_ astrology

> >> Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:18 AM

> >>

> >> Dear Anita Ji,

> >>

> >> I took the liberty to change the subject from " untimely death " to " 7th

> >> bhava tenancy " .

> >>

> >> Really 7th Bhava is best left unoccupied. There may be cases with OK

> >> marriage with planets in the 7th Bhava, but as Sunil Ji says " OK " is

> >> relative and in most cases it is " OK " because of societal reluctance to

> >> divorce.

> >>

> >> On a more practical level if we take the planets, obviously Mars, Rahu,

> >> Ketu and Saturn are not good in the 7th Bhava for marital harmony. Sun is

> >> infact considered even worse than Mars by some astrologers (if we read our

> >> Puranas we can see why since Surya had a horrible married life and

> >> had two wives and Sun sets in the 7th house). Me is also not good in

> >> 7H (because Me is a sexually immature Graha who does not who his daddy is).

> >> Due to his sexual escapades with Jupiter's wife (and hence creating

> >> Mercury's who is my daddy dilema) Moon is also not welcome in the 7th house.

> >> Venus in the 7H can lead to excessive sexuality (may be the reason for Karko

> >> Bhava Nashto saying although this is contreversial) . Jupiter in the 7H can

> >> be OK if Jupiter is a functional benefic and unafflicted and strong. If not

> >> children will cause problems in Marriage.

> >>

> >> In a nutshell 7H is left best untenanted in the ideal world.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> -Manoj

> >>

> >> ____________ _________ _________ __

> >> Anita R <ash.rsh55 <http://in.mc948.mail./mc/compose?to=ash.rsh55%40>

> >> >

> >> ancient_indian_ astrology<http://in.mc948.mail./mc/compose?to=%40>

> >> Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:51:38 PM

> >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

> >>

> >> Dear Sunil ji,

> >> This is with reference to your post on marriage and matching of

> >> horoscopes.

> >> I read everywhere that the 7th and 8th houses should preferably be clean.

> >> Could you tell me what is the logic behind this belief.? I have a cousin

> >> whose wife has 5 planets in the 7th. But marriage seems to be OK.

> >> Regards,

> >> Anita

> >>

> >> --- On Wed, 26/8/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co.

> >> in> wrote:

> >>

> >> >astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala @ .co. in>

> >> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Untimely Death

> >> >ancient_indian_ astrology

> >> >Wednesday, 26 August, 2009, 3:33 PM

> >> >

> >> >Dear Dhananjayan Ji

> >> >

> >> >Thanks for ur Post

> >> >

> >> >As far as badaka concept is concerned which shud b used in Prashna

> >> reading we r using in natal charts is overstretcing of rishi dictums i feel

> >> >

> >> >it that case all her planets except Moon and mars are one way or other

> >> way connected to badaka sign or Lord ,even we can say Moon is aspected By

> >> sani frm badaka rasi by sitting inside it.So where this strntching can take

> >> us ?

> >> >

> >> >also i hav seen when there is a report on events on what happened in a

> >> chart the badaka concepts appears in post mortem readings and other wise

> >> with 1000s of other charts who has no spl bad events then there is No badaka

> >> concept ,sure majority of the people r suffering and every one can escpe

> >> using badaka for any event even if it is break in business or marriage or

> >> sickness

> >> >

> >> >Here in this chart sure there is no indication of widow hood in one

> >> glance

> >> >as 8th House is not afflicted ,except on sani drishti .

> >> >

> >> >Even i know every one is mesmerised By mars in 9th h .but who says mars

> >> as 7th L in 9th house supports marriage ? dont u think the bhgya is realy

> >> affected by placemnt of a malefic there and position of a planet in 2nd

> >> House generaly dont support its house behind which is 8th house here

> >> >

> >> >even there is a dictum that " navame subhasamyukte naari -- " " has less

> >> problems in married life ,means natural benefic s in 9th supports a good

> >> married life ( here its longitivity ) and such a lady may not exprnce

> >> widowhood too

> >> >

> >> >But if u see Venus the Lord of Lagna and 8th L is weak due to various

> >> factors ,also having papakarathari ,and he is karaka for marital affairs and

> >> ruling happiness frm it and its nature of quality even .

> >> >

> >> >as a principle the afflictions to imp Houses shud b seen along frm

> >> Various Pointers which is Lagna ,Moon and venus ( u all know what they

> >> represent in married Life )

> >> >

> >> >also since we dont hav chart of the husband we can see only possible

> >> periods of some mishapp s in her life ( other wise in chart matchting we hav

> >> to consider Longitivity of Husband too --i was telling many times even this