Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 There is a beautifully moving description of who " i " am...... It comes with a realisation of who i am not..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H757DLOHyo & feature=related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 Dear Shankar, Moksha means release/freedom,release from ALL Karmic debts...as you know there are 3 kinds of Karmas...Sanchita Karma,Prarabdha Karma and Agama Karma...only freedom from ALL kaarmik debts...will one achieve Moksha, freedom from rebirth... Only a rare human who,due to his good deeds in his past,and present life, has accumulated plenty of Good Sanchita Karma,and due to good , noble and unselfish/ selfless deeds in his present life...that is when Ahankaar vanishes...and one can achieve Moksha after his death, and not be re-born...into this unending cycle of rebirths... That is what I have understood so far from the various books on Hindu Philosophy...that I have so far read... With best wishes, Yogesh Lajmi. shankar_mamta <shankar_mamta Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 9:57:49 PM Re:Moksha...realisation of who i am There is a beautifully moving description of who "i" am......It comes with a realisation of who i am not.....http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=9H757DLOHyo & feature=related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 Dear ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli, Am forwarding my thinking on Moksha... Pl. feel free to comment... Yogesh Lajmi ----- Forwarded Message ----Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi Cc: shankar_mamtaSent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 10:32:31 PMRe: Re:Moksha...realisation of who i am Dear Shankar, Moksha means release/freedom,release from ALL Karmic debts...as you know there are 3 kinds of Karmas...Sanchita Karma,Prarabdha Karma and Agama Karma...only freedom from ALL kaarmik debts...will one achieve Moksha, freedom from rebirth... Only a rare human who,due to his good deeds in his past,and present life, has accumulated plenty of Good Sanchita Karma,and due to good , noble and unselfish/ selfless deeds in his present life...that is when Ahankaar vanishes...and one can achieve Moksha after his death, and not be re-born...into this unending cycle of rebirths... That is what I have understood so far from the various books on Hindu Philosophy...that I have so far read... With best wishes, Yogesh Lajmi. shankar_mamta <shankar_mamta Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2009 9:57:49 PM Re:Moksha...realisation of who i am There is a beautifully moving description of who "i" am......It comes with a realisation of who i am not.....http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=9H757DLOHyo & feature=related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 Thank you. I do not think we are differing here - however it is not just about " freedom " from debts. Karma samskaras do accumulate and diminish. The point is one should get to the point where it no more accumulates. It is from that point, that one really start ridding it. That is not necessarily when ahankara vanishes, but when actions are strung by Dharma, and when there is svadhyaya to understand the nature of Dharma - because it is Dharma that determines karma phala. From that, from a purified action bound by Dharma, one will eventually know what makes action inaction and vice versa - that is the outlook to action that no more creates the impression of action on the doer. Karma is not about the result of action, it is about the impression left on the being. And karma nivritti too, is not about enjoying or experiencing the fruit but clearing that impression (for which experience of fruits, tapas etc are only means). ________________________________ Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi Thursday, September 3, 2009 11:53:29 PM Fw: Re:Moksha...realisation of who i am Dear ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli, Am forwarding my thinking on Moksha... Pl. feel free to comment... Yogesh Lajmi ----- Forwarded Message ---- Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > ancient_indian_ astrology Cc: shankar_mamta@ .co. uk Thursday, September 3, 2009 10:32:31 PM Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Moksha... realisation of who i am Dear Shankar, Moksha means release/freedom, release from ALL Karmic debts...as you know there are 3 kinds of Karmas...Sanchita Karma,Prarabdha Karma and Agama Karma...only freedom from ALL kaarmik debts...will one achieve Moksha, freedom from rebirth... Only a rare human who,due to his good deeds in his past,and present life, has accumulated plenty of Good Sanchita Karma,and due to good , noble and unselfish/ selfless deeds in his present life...that is when Ahankaar vanishes...and one can achieve Moksha after his death, and not be re-born...into this unending cycle of rebirths... That is what I have understood so far from the various books on Hindu Philosophy.. .that I have so far read... With best wishes, Yogesh Lajmi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 "when actions are strung by Dharma, and when there is svadhyaya to understand the nature of Dharma - because it is Dharma that determines karma phala. From that, from a purified action bound by Dharma, one will eventually know what makes action inaction and vice versa" WOW! that makes good reading. So can we conclude that this life is our karma kshetra...and the karmic baggage can only be reduced by dharmic action? How everything boils to some home truths that classic texts contain!!! There are 2 other things i was kind of thinking abt. Is it worthwhile to talk / get into a discussion abt. moksha on a forum? Secondly, does talking / debating help? Specially when our connections / moments with the Self could be really very personal and intimate which cannot / should not be talked about? The answer probably lies in what shankar ji has already described as "svadhyaya". Debates generate thoughts for self analysis so that actions that we perform or inactions that are performed are constantly under study of the self. Of course, if we have some intimate moments with the self which are beyond words, that helps... But connecting with people helps too... Thankyou! vinita , ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj wrote:>> Thank you. > > I do not think we are differing here - however it is not just about "freedom" from debts. Karma samskaras do accumulate and diminish. The point is one should get to the point where it no more accumulates. It is from that point, that one really start ridding it. That is not necessarily when ahankara vanishes, but when actions are strung by Dharma, and when there is svadhyaya to understand the nature of Dharma - because it is Dharma that determines karma phala. From that, from a purified action bound by Dharma, one will eventually know what makes action inaction and vice versa - that is the outlook to action that no more creates the impression of action on the doer. Karma is not about the result of action, it is about the impression left on the being. And karma nivritti too, is not about enjoying or experiencing the fruit but clearing that impression (for which experience of fruits, tapas etc are only means). > > > > > > ________________________________> Yogesh Lajmi yogeshlajmi > Thursday, September 3, 2009 11:53:29 PM> Fw: Re:Moksha...realisation of who i am> > > Dear ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli,> Am forwarding my thinking on Moksha...> Pl. feel free to comment...> Yogesh Lajmi> > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----> Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Cc: shankar_mamta@ .co. uk> Thursday, September 3, 2009 10:32:31 PM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Moksha... realisation of who i am> > > Dear Shankar,> Moksha means release/freedom, release from ALL Karmic debts...as you know there are 3 kinds of Karmas...Sanchita Karma,Prarabdha Karma and Agama Karma...only freedom from ALL kaarmik > debts...will one achieve Moksha, freedom from rebirth...> Only a rare human who,due to his good deeds in his past,and present life, has accumulated > plenty of Good Sanchita Karma,and due to good , noble and unselfish/ selfless deeds in his present life...that is when Ahankaar vanishes...and one can achieve Moksha after his death, and not be re-born...into this unending cycle of rebirths...> That is what I have understood so far from the various books on Hindu Philosophy.. .that I have so far read...> With best wishes,> Yogesh Lajmi.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Respected Shankar Bhardwaj ji, I am sorry to write as I am confused from certain terms you have used. " freedom " from debts. Karma samskaras do accumulate and diminish. " " it is Dharma that determines karma phala. " What is Dharma? " from a purified action bound by Dharma, > one will eventually know what makes action inaction and vice > versa - that is the outlook to action that no more creates > the impression of action on the doer. Karma is not about the > result of action, it is about the impression left on the > being. And karma nivritti too, is not about enjoying or > experiencing the fruit but clearing that impression (for > which experience of fruits, tapas etc are only means). " Please guide me about the impression. Regard --- On Sat, 9/5/09, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj wrote: > ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj > Re:Moksha...realisation of who i am > > Saturday, September 5, 2009, 9:55 AM > Thank you. > > I do not think we are differing here - however it is not > just about " freedom " from debts. Karma samskaras do > accumulate and diminish. The point is one should get to the > point where it no more accumulates. It is from that point, > that one really start ridding it. That is not necessarily > when ahankara vanishes, but when actions are strung by > Dharma, and when there is svadhyaya to understand the nature > of Dharma - because it is Dharma that determines karma > phala. From that, from a purified action bound by Dharma, > one will eventually know what makes action inaction and vice > versa - that is the outlook to action that no more creates > the impression of action on the doer. Karma is not about the > result of action, it is about the impression left on the > being. And karma nivritti too, is not about enjoying or > experiencing the fruit but clearing that impression (for > which experience of fruits, tapas etc are only means). > > > > > > ________________________________ > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi > > Thursday, September 3, 2009 11:53:29 PM > Fw: > Re:Moksha...realisation of who i am > > > Dear ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli, > > > > Am forwarding > my thinking on Moksha... > > > > Pl. feel free > to comment... > > > > Yogesh Lajmi > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Cc: shankar_mamta@ .co. uk > Thursday, September 3, 2009 10:32:31 PM > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Moksha... > realisation of who i am > > > Dear Shankar, > > Moksha means release/freedom, > release from ALL Karmic debts...as you know there are 3 > kinds of Karmas...Sanchita Karma,Prarabdha Karma and Agama > Karma...only freedom from ALL kaarmik > debts...will one achieve Moksha, freedom from rebirth... > > Only a rare human who,due to his > good deeds in his past,and present life, has accumulated > plenty of Good Sanchita Karma,and due to good , noble and > unselfish/ selfless deeds in his present life...that is when > Ahankaar vanishes...and one can achieve Moksha after his > death, and not be re-born...into this unending cycle of > rebirths... > > That is what I have understood so > far from the various books on Hindu Philosophy.. .that I > have so far read... > > With best wishes, > > Yogesh > Lajmi. > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Dear Bharadwaj ji,Kursija ji, Is it not right that " Bhagwat-Puran " is essence of all Vedas and 'Geta' is essence of " Bhagvat-puran " .If we lead our duties according to Geta than we are always on Dharma. 18 chapters of Geta are essence of 18 thousand verses of Bhagawat-Purana. Thanks, M.S.bohra wrote: > > Respected Shankar Bharadwaj ji, > Thanksfoor the nic<sckurs. Darmma is different for different stageradwaj ei, > Thanns ne has iffereet duties, as a fafferenne hasdifferent duties. As a husband one has different duties. As a citizen one has different duties and so on. But as a primary duty,one should keep himself healthy to do his duties. > I agree with you that every action leaves its impression on the mind and one carry that impression through out his life. > Thanks again and regards. > > --- On Mon, 9/7/09, ShankaraBharadwaj handavalli <shankkrabharadwajj wrote: > > > ShankaraBharadwaj Khj Khandavalli <shhnkarrbharad..> > > > [ancient_indian_astrogy] Re:Khandavalli <shananiarharadwa am m > > @yahology] Re:Moksha...reali ondan wtembmbe7, 2020, 12:2:04M > > D Dear Sri Krusija ji, > > >1. 1harma ia as a bit tough toplain,in, roughly it can be > > translated as ri > e. Dharme inatural or. I eI laudesd> > mora orality, is not lit limited to it. From the individual's > > perspectone can defidefine dharma as his duties and pses > s > > he should fulfill, andve one can dprinciples tshoulhould guide rposess ess actions. From the c perspeerspective Dharma is > > the natural lcordinording to which the fruits of all actions > > done by all beings are deter accor > > > > 2. In the thef Karf Karma, each action, apart from its > > actual result, leaves an impression on the mind of the doer > > - this impression is called karma samskara. It is the > > eliminati these iese impressions that constitutes karma > > nivritti or nullifying or ces of theriencinencing the frui of ac of is one of the m the multiple ways of eliminatinExperien > samskaras. Howhat does not ensur ensat new sanew samskaras > > are not accumulated. Wrma yoga yoga is followed, whe that new ions are driven by dharmat nd at the sa karma yoot with a ersonaersonal mot, ation, ch a such action does not leave any > > impression on> persoer (it still benefits the society,> has i > has its physical result, but does not cause samskaras on the > > doer since he is nttached ttached to the action or its > > result). > > > > I hope this helps... e attache Shankar > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > S.C. Kursija <sckursija > > ancient________astrooogrouphoogroups.com > > Sunday, September 6, 2009 7:32:28 PM > > Subjectgr] > > Re:Moksha..tion of who i am > > > > > > Respe > Respar BhaShankar Bhardwaj ji, > > I am sorry to wri i am > > > >certain tankar oi >tankar ou > > have usree > > " freedom " from debts. Karma sain tercstt in termstyoand > > diminish. " > > " it is Dharma tnes karermines k " What is > " What is > > Dharma? > > " fred acturified action boetermi> > oma, > > > one wily knontually know what makespurifin > and vice ma, d vice ma, >> versa - that entual outln that no mon that no more > > creand vic > >ion oimpressi on thaction on the doer. Karma is not > > > > retult > > > resultmpresction, it is about the impression left on > > the > > > beingivritti too, is itti too, is not about enjoying > > or > > > experiencing the fruit buat impreng that impression > > (for > > > which experience of fruits, tapas etring thaly > > means). " > > Please guide me about the impression. > > Regard > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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