Guest guest Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Dear Vinita, Gopi,in my humble opinion is perhaps, under the impression that, getting rid of one's ego is a very simple and easy task/process...I do not think that it is so simply achieveable as he is making it out to be...infact it is the most difficult challenge to a sadhaka...and very few succeed at it in one Birth,or even several Births...one has necessarily to be destined to achieve this..else try as he may, he will not succeed... ! The example of the notorious " Flower People " who reached hallucinatory or 'ecstatic states' using drugs like LSD,and thought that they were in contact with Universal Intelligence or GOD is too well known to be repeated here... Many sadhus in India are known to reach such ecstatic states with the help of Marijuana/Opium and even getting themselves bit by poisonous snakes like the cobra...getting " hooked " to snake venom... ! But they remain as far away from attaining Moksha or Nirvana...as ever...! ! The Philosophy of " Tyaga " or relinquishing worldly pleasures was based on the simple logic,that man becomes unhappy when he wants something but does not get it...therefore theoretically, if one does not want anything at all,how can he become unhappy at all ? ! But how many succeeded by following it ? Therefore I suggest you please read the excellent books on Kundalini by the late Pt.Gopi Krishna,of Srinagar...the Founder of the Kundalini Research Center in the US and Switzerland...wherein the ecstatic state on achieving Godhead,his own personal experience, has been described very vividly ... Wishing you the very best, Yogesh Lajmi. GOOD LUCK ! ________________________________ shankar_mamta <shankar_mamta Friday, September 4, 2009 2:13:53 PM Re: Moksha... Dear Gopi ji, " but ''beyond the mind " is also an imagination which comes through mind only " That is very true....so long as we have no EXPERIENCE of THAT. To approach " God " we have to be mindless, perhaps! Regards, vinita ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopi_b927 " <gopi_b927@.. ...> wrote: > > Dear Vinita ji, > thank you 4the nice post though it is not addressed2me. > > //Mind is perhaps nothing but identification of the self with i, the > ego. > > Once ego vanishes nothing should affect us....and we become free of > > karma...mukta. // > > this is really good but ''beyond the mind " is also an imagination which > comes through mind only know? > THATS THE PUZLE HERE...... > > Regards, > gopi. > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " shankar_mamta " > shankar_mamta@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bohra ji, > > > > To my " mind " , moksha is going beyond the " mind " ....no matter how much > of > > an oxymoron that may be. > > > > God may be in the mind...but beyond the mind is where is " god " /Moksha > > actually is..... > > > > Needless to say beyond the mind is where karma ceases. So long as we > are > > in the mind, the karmic circus continues... > > > > Mind is perhaps nothing but identification of the self with i, the > ego. > > Once ego vanishes nothing should affect us....and we become free of > > karma...mukta. > > > > They say that that is what we always are...sans maya....sans ego.... > > > > our true roopa always is....chidanand. .. shivoham, shivoham! > > > > But i totally agree with u that till we become THAT / TAT, everything > is > > in the mind...including God... > > > > Regards and best wishes, > > > > vinita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " msbohra62 " > > msbohra62@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > One question for all,it is the biggest question in my mind for so > many > > years,is :- > > > > > > Hindu worship his different " Ishwar-Devi- Devta " and getting desire > > result,spiritually satisfaction. > > > > > > Muslims worship his " Allah " they are also getting there desire > result > > and satisfy with his Allah. > > > > > > Christian's worship his god and getting desire result. > > > > > > What are the common factors in above all and what are the > differences > > ? > > > > > > Than what is the " ultimate-fact " ?Where is the Ishwar,Allah and God > ? > > > > > > Is it not in our mind only ? > > > > > > The biggest creation or invention of Humen is this > > " Param-Satta " (Ishwar,Allah, God,etc;) .Man created the God or God > created > > Man ? > > > > > > Many times we discussed others topics not related to Astrology > > directly,please share your thoughts on this subject. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > M.S.Bohra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - In ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chn > > chnndran_maan_ manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > >onde > > > funderful thoughts, simple and true !!! How can we recognize that > > which we are not? Outside is a reflection of the inside. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > gopi_b927 <gopi_b92 To:.> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Thursday, September 3, 2009 6:47:33 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astroloMoksha. .. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear > > > > > > > > > > ji, > > > >ehta ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even if we s suca aoss s ph a n weomawe may not recogni..... > > > > r. > > > > regards, > > > > gopi. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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