Rationale for Vimshottari Dasa...

September 17, 2009

Dear Mouji,

I could not send it earlier as I was very busy with some other work...any this has helped to show up the narrow and small-thinking people in this group...who like a vulture thought here's some good dead meat for me...and swooped in...

At the very outset,when I had introduced myself to the group,I had clearrly mentioned that I had studied Traditional Astrology from B.V.Raman's books...but after getting miserably wrong/inaccurate/wrong results on a very large number of occasions I gave up astrology as "bunkum"...but fortunately in the 70s I attended KSK's lecture demonstration...and immediately decided that I had found my Guru... !

I then learnt K.P., and am practising it,as a professional astrologer...presently...

I have studied and practised both,Traditional Astrology B.V.Raman style,as well as K.P., for many years,hence I am more qualified to speak and with a lot of authority, atleast more than many others in this group,especially people like you,with closed minds...

Fanatics can never learn...any more...their minds are locked and the key is thrown into the sea...!

May God help you...open your mind to superior things in life...and get out of your cloistered mind...!

Yogesh Lajmi.

September 17, 2009

Oh! Here is a mail for me to lay my hands upon! //this has helped to show up the narrow and small-thinking people in this

group...who like a vulture thought here's some good dead meat for

me...and swooped in...// What a foolish blotting ego this is!!! //> At the very outset,when I had introduced myself to

the group,I had clearrly mentioned that I had studied Traditional

Astrology from B.V.Raman's books...but after getting miserably

wrong/inaccurate/wrong results on a very large number of occasions I

gave up astrology as "bunkum"...but fortunately in the 70s I attended

KSK's lecture demonstration...and immediately decided that I had found

my Guru... ! // OK. Got it. So first, You learned without a guru! So a bookish astrologer without proper understanding. Second, you were (are?) an expert in and has a good experience in wrong/inaccurate/wrong results. Great! Third, Just by listening to a demonstration, you decided (mere simple first impression!) you have found your guru. Anyway that is ok - but after this many years have you learned to predict accurately from your guru? Dear friends, can anyone provide this man, a blind chart and check it out please? He seems to be too much egotic and over confident. //I then learnt K.P., and am practising it,as a professional astrologer.// Oh! That means that you have rejected your first guru and his methods! Tel us the truth - wasn't that good enough? No - we will not tell to anyone. //> I have studied and practised both,Traditional

Astrology B.V.Raman style,as well as K.P., for many years,hence I am

more qualified to speak and with a lot of authority,// Great qualification! Booking learning, experience in failed predictions, ditched the guru, blotting ego! Yes, well qualified you are - more than (why many) all of us present in this group! //more than many others in this group,especially people like you,with closed minds...> Fanatics can never learn...// All this blame on our poor and sincere Manoj Chandran ji! KP fanatic - and he can't see who he is!!! Poor thing! Any way at last we have two great advices - * Fanatics can never learn...any more...their minds are locked and the key is thrown into the sea...! * open your mind to superior things in life...and get out of your cloistered mind...! At least two somewhat good sentences in this otherwise useless mail. Love and regards,Sreenadh , Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:>> Dear Mouji,> I could not send it earlier as I was very busy with some other work...any this has helped to show up the narrow and small-thinking people in this group...who like a vulture thought here's some good dead meat for me...and swooped in...> At the very outset,when I had introduced myself to the group,I had clearrly mentioned that I had studied Traditional Astrology from B.V.Raman's books...but after getting miserably wrong/inaccurate/wrong results on a very large number of occasions I gave up astrology as "bunkum"...but fortunately in the 70s I attended KSK's lecture demonstration...and immediately decided that I had found my Guru... !> I then learnt K.P., and am practising it,as a professional astrologer...presently...> I have studied and practised both,Traditional Astrology B.V.Raman style,as well as K.P., for many years,hence I am more qualified to speak and with a lot of authority, atleast more than many others in this group,especially people like you,with closed minds...> Fanatics can never learn...any more...their minds are locked and the key is thrown into the sea...! > May God help you...open your mind to superior things in life...and get out of your cloistered mind...!> Yogesh Lajmi.>

September 17, 2009

gg , Yogesh Lajmi

<yogeshlajmi wrote:

>

> Dear Mouji,

> I could not send it earlier as I was very busy with some other

work...any this has helped to show up the narrow and small-thinking people in

this group...who like a vulture thought here's some good dead meat for me...and

swooped in...

> At the very outset,when I had introduced myself to the group,I

had clearrly mentioned that I had studied Traditional Astrology from B.V.Raman's

books...but after getting miserably wrong/inaccurate/wrong results on a very

large number of occasions I gave up astrology as " bunkum " ...but fortunately in

the 70s I attended KSK's lecture demonstration...and immediately decided that I

had found my Guru... !

> I then learnt K.P., and am practising it,as a professional

astrologer...presently...

> I have studied and practised both,Traditional Astrology

B.V.Raman style,as well as K.P., for many years,hence I am more qualified to

speak and with a lot of authority, atleast more than many others in this

group,especially people like you,with closed minds...

> Fanatics can never learn...any more...their minds are locked and

the key is thrown into the sea...!

> May God help you...open your mind to superior things in

life...and get out of your cloistered mind...!

> Yogesh Lajmi.

>

RESPECTED YOGESH LAJMIJI,

While going through your mail,one can easily make out that that u had a

frustrated encounter with traditional method of astrology and it seems you have

not gained much from BV RAMAN'S books.but it doesnot mean that there is any

deficiency in the subject rather it is your understanding which needed deep

cultivation toward the subject.it is sad that you have failed in your

attempt.all those who possess keen understanding towards the subject which you

lacked CANNOT BE MAN WITH LOCKED MIND'.

There can be various means of predicting oneS events,as NEELUMJI HAS mentioned

if ones jyotish nadi get developed he can predict even without having any chart.

SO LET US not get indulge in any kind of attack or counter attack.We must

thankful to ALMIGHTY GOD that he has chosen us to contribute something towards

the society through this GYAN.WE MAY FOLLOW DIFFERENT ROUTES BUT GOAL IS COMMON

FOR ALL OF US.THAT IS TO GIVE CORRECT PREDICTON.this is a forum where we share

ones ideas and knowledge about the subject so one need not be judgemental

towards others credibility.

REGARDS

VANDANA MISHRA

September 17, 2009

Dear Sreenadh ji,

The right course of action was not to have allowed the mail which

elicited this response from you. I know Shri Yogesh Lajmiji (In another

Group) as one of the best senior astrologers in India, and those who are

good also have some eccentricities as we see often in people. Now it

pains to see Shri Yogeshji being responded in the manner, in which he

has been from several members. This would not have happened had his

mails which if found " Problematic " had been editied in the first case

itself.

Love and regards,

Bhaskar.

, " sreesog " <sreesog

wrote:

>

> Oh! Here is a mail for me to lay my hands upon!

> //this has helped to show up the narrow and small-thinking people in

> this group...who like a vulture thought here's some good dead meat for

> me...and swooped in...//

> What a foolish blotting ego this is!!!

> //> At the very outset,when I had introduced myself to

> the group,I had clearrly mentioned that I had studied Traditional

> Astrology from B.V.Raman's books...but after getting miserably

> wrong/inaccurate/wrong results on a very large number of occasions I

> gave up astrology as " bunkum " ...but fortunately in the 70s I attended

> KSK's lecture demonstration...and immediately decided that I had found

> my Guru... ! //

> OK. Got it. So first, You learned without a guru! So a bookish

> astrologer without proper understanding. Second, you were (are?) an

> expert in and has a good experience in wrong/inaccurate/wrong results.

> Great! Third, Just by listening to a demonstration, you decided (mere

> simple first impression!) you have found your guru. Anyway that is ok

-

> but after this many years have you learned to predict accurately from

> your guru? Dear friends, can anyone provide this man, a blind chart

and

> check it out please? He seems to be too much egotic and over

confident.

> []

> //I then learnt K.P., and am practising it,as a professional

> astrologer.//

> Oh! That means that you have rejected your first guru and his methods!

> Tel us the truth - wasn't that good enough? [] No - we will not tell

> to anyone. []

> //> I have studied and practised both,Traditional

> Astrology B.V.Raman style,as well as K.P., for many years,hence I am

> more qualified to speak and with a lot of authority,//

> Great qualification! Booking learning, experience in failed

> predictions, ditched the guru, blotting ego! Yes, well qualified you

are

> - more than (why many) all of us present in this group!

> //more than many others in this group,especially people like you,with

> closed minds...

> > Fanatics can never learn...//

> All this blame on our poor and sincere Manoj Chandran ji! KP fanatic -

> and he can't see who he is!!! Poor thing!

> Any way at last we have two great advices - []

>

> * Fanatics can never learn...any more...their minds are locked and the

> key is thrown into the sea...!

> * open your mind to superior things in life...and get out of your

> cloistered mind...!

> At least two somewhat good sentences in this otherwise useless mail.

> [)]

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Yogesh Lajmi

> yogeshlajmi@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mouji,

> > I could not send it earlier as I was very busy with

> some other work...any this has helped to show up the narrow and

> small-thinking people in this group...who like a vulture thought

here's

> some good dead meat for me...and swooped in...

> > At the very outset,when I had introduced myself to the

> group,I had clearrly mentioned that I had studied Traditional

Astrology

> from B.V.Raman's books...but after getting miserably

> wrong/inaccurate/wrong results on a very large number of occasions I

> gave up astrology as " bunkum " ...but fortunately in the 70s I attended

> KSK's lecture demonstration...and immediately decided that I had found

> my Guru... !

> > I then learnt K.P., and am practising it,as a

> professional astrologer...presently...

> > I have studied and practised both,Traditional Astrology

> B.V.Raman style,as well as K.P., for many years,hence I am more

> qualified to speak and with a lot of authority, atleast more than many

> others in this group,especially people like you,with closed minds...

> > Fanatics can never learn...any more...their minds are

> locked and the key is thrown into the sea...!

> > May God help you...open your mind to superior things in

> life...and get out of your cloistered mind...!

> > Yogesh Lajmi.

> >

>

September 17, 2009

Dear Neelam ji,

With due respects to the knowledge you possess, and the respects which

we hold in our hearts for you -

When KP is not easy to be learnt by even Indian Astrologers, then it is

far too harder and painstaking for the Westeners to learn this, though I

know a few who have learnt it well and taught by me. But these

astrologers who learnt had the pre-requisite of belief in our Nakshatra

system already developed in them.

For Traditional astrologers to learn KP, they must already " Pass " the

learning of Traditional astrology to learn KP. Most of the times we find

astrologers limited to talking about planets in signs, or simple

transits being approached with a great caution. If people do not even

know Traditional astrology well, then they are incapacitated and

handicapped to learn KP, which is why one may not find many takers to

learn this system. They are hapy in their wells, with simple formats and

do not wish to get out and see the world.

I am not taking sides of anyone here, please know this and would

certainly not be interested to engage in any arguments with you now.

regards and best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Respected Yogesh Lajmi ji,

>

> I agree with your views on keeping an open and broadminded approach

towards

> astrology. But I regret to say that personal attacks can never be

justified.

> There are n-number of offshoots of astrology and what we follow is our

> personal choice and affinity and none can be bulldozed into accepting

or

> rejecting anything.

>

> Manoj ji is a senior and respectable astrologer and his opinion

matters just

> as much. Most humbly I request you to refrain from passing personal

comments

> in the group otherwise they will be edited. (with apologies!)

>

> Those who practice astrology sincerely also know that astrology can

also go

> beyond any existing system, like the awakening of the Jyotishmati Nadi

which

> enables the practitioner to give accurate predictions without even

looking

> at the chart. (wouldn't we call it astrology?). There are many

other divine

> techniques which have given ample proofs of their authenticity.

>

> Each system has its own merits and demerits but traditional astrology

has

> given birth to all and like a mother gets accepted with its flaws and

> shortcomings, if any. That is why may be it is still the most popular

> system.

>

> Even if we forget Meena and think of KP as the true authentic

innovation of

> the traditional system, it should generate enough enthusiasm amongst

the

> practitioners to accept it readily. Its rate of growth is not as much

as it

> should have been? It could've been very popular with Western

astrologers

> with its clean mathematical model and sound predictions. But that has

not

> happened.

>

> It may be like a Bollywood ART film which appeals to classes and not

masses!

>

> I am much junior to you in learning and experience. Just shared some

> thoughts most humbly, without meaning any disregard to you or to KP

system!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

September 17, 2009

Dear Bhaskar ji,There is nothing to argue. I am open to and respect all systems of astrology. If I am not able to draw from a well that does not mean there was no water in it. I had even tried to absorb the nuances of KP, but I was not yet satisfied with what I had gained so far, so decided to give more time to traditional.

I said Westerners because it is easy for them to follow straight and simple methods as KP gives. I think KP has done away with a lot of complex qualitative features.I think we should stop pointing fingers at the different systems, but blame ourselves for being poor learners. Astrology is far too bigger than our narrow minds!

Thanks and regardsNeelam2009/9/17 Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

Dear Neelam ji,

With due respects to the knowledge you possess, and the respects which

we hold in our hearts for you -

When KP is not easy to be learnt by even Indian Astrologers, then it is

far too harder and painstaking for the Westeners to learn this, though I

know a few who have learnt it well and taught by me. But these

astrologers who learnt had the pre-requisite of belief in our Nakshatra

system already developed in them.

For Traditional astrologers to learn KP, they must already " Pass " the

learning of Traditional astrology to learn KP. Most of the times we find

astrologers limited to talking about planets in signs, or simple

transits being approached with a great caution. If people do not even

know Traditional astrology well, then they are incapacitated and

handicapped to learn KP, which is why one may not find many takers to

learn this system. They are hapy in their wells, with simple formats and

do not wish to get out and see the world.

I am not taking sides of anyone here, please know this and would

certainly not be interested to engage in any arguments with you now.

regards and best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Respected Yogesh Lajmi ji,

>

> I agree with your views on keeping an open and broadminded approach

towards

> astrology. But I regret to say that personal attacks can never be

justified.

> There are n-number of offshoots of astrology and what we follow is our

> personal choice and affinity and none can be bulldozed into accepting

or

> rejecting anything.

>

> Manoj ji is a senior and respectable astrologer and his opinion

matters just

> as much. Most humbly I request you to refrain from passing personal

comments

> in the group otherwise they will be edited. (with apologies!)

>

> Those who practice astrology sincerely also know that astrology can

also go

> beyond any existing system, like the awakening of the Jyotishmati Nadi

which

> enables the practitioner to give accurate predictions without even

looking

> at the chart. (wouldn't we call it astrology?). There are many

other divine

> techniques which have given ample proofs of their authenticity.

>

> Each system has its own merits and demerits but traditional astrology

has

> given birth to all and like a mother gets accepted with its flaws and

> shortcomings, if any. That is why may be it is still the most popular

> system.

>

> Even if we forget Meena and think of KP as the true authentic

innovation of

> the traditional system, it should generate enough enthusiasm amongst

the

> practitioners to accept it readily. Its rate of growth is not as much

as it

> should have been? It could've been very popular with Western

astrologers

> with its clean mathematical model and sound predictions. But that has

not

> happened.

>

> It may be like a Bollywood ART film which appeals to classes and not

masses!

>

> I am much junior to you in learning and experience. Just shared some

> thoughts most humbly, without meaning any disregard to you or to KP

system!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

September 17, 2009

Dear Bhaskar JI with due respect to expertise of shri Yogesh ji it is high time that i hav to open my mind we in this grp hav givn to him good respect and even all the care and lov and even freedom ,Actualy all this what ever happened is his own creation he was always simply declaring his practising system is best and hence he is best The reason is he failed in traditional astrology what he learned without a guru frm some books written by some body and hence all traditional astrology is humbug and all traditional astrologers are stupid .is this is the way to show openness as he claims as u all know that we never was propogating one single concept we hav givn enough room and space for all kinds of schools of astrology ,even asked new age Gurus /theoriest to proov themselvs and we r ready to accept it here what happened in reality he posted a chart ( rather dragged his fight with some one to our grp in the name of prooving ) and 2 of our esteemed memebrs analsysed on it without so called birth rectification technics and events justifications on it and yogeshji without congratulating both of them he just applied his so caled system and said KP is superior and all others are some way inferior .is this is the way to discuss in astrology grp ,is this shows academic interest ,or is it shows some one is facing a client crunch or student crunch ???is this is proof of superiority of system he is practising i myself posted many charts ( offcource any one can see those charts were taken frm query frm various other astrology grps ) and i also requested shri Yogesh ji to commnt abt it tru KP way .Then he said he wanted to do birth rectification as he find birth time is wrong and he will come back when it is done this has happened to all charts which i posted but in actual practise he never kept his promise .is this is the way to proov superiority of a system as u all know ,i too fight against any one bashing against KP Krishna moorthi as i respect all astro-masters irrespectiv of their system ( even it is me who said he shri KP krishna moorthi is born in lagna as abhijit with moon also in abhijit points -now i lost the chart ,so quoting frm memory ) during one of such fights in some other grps . even i am memebr of all astrological grps irrespectiv what ever system they follows including lal-kitab grps ( Lal Kitab is so alien to we keralites ) So hope yoesh ji will understand it is he only and his a sort of evanglical zeal to propogate or proov that his system and method is superior is the reason for this outburst frn many other memebrs i hav all sympathies to him tho he will still claim he was provoked by all .rgrds sunil nair , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > The right course of action was not to have allowed the mail which> elicited this response from you. I know Shri Yogesh Lajmiji (In another> Group) as one of the best senior astrologers in India, and those who are> good also have some eccentricities as we see often in people. Now it> pains to see Shri Yogeshji being responded in the manner, in which he> has been from several members. This would not have happened had his> mails which if found "Problematic" had been editied in the first case> itself.> > Love and regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > , "sreesog" sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Oh! Here is a mail for me to lay my hands upon!> > //this has helped to show up the narrow and small-thinking people in> > this group...who like a vulture thought here's some good dead meat for> > me...and swooped in...//> > What a foolish blotting ego this is!!!> > //> At the very outset,when I had introduced myself to> > the group,I had clearrly mentioned that I had studied Traditional> > Astrology from B.V.Raman's books...but after getting miserably> > wrong/inaccurate/wrong results on a very large number of occasions I> > gave up astrology as "bunkum"...but fortunately in the 70s I attended> > KSK's lecture demonstration...and immediately decided that I had found> > my Guru... ! //> > OK. Got it. So first, You learned without a guru! So a bookish> > astrologer without proper understanding. Second, you were (are?) an> > expert in and has a good experience in wrong/inaccurate/wrong results.> > Great! Third, Just by listening to a demonstration, you decided (mere> > simple first impression!) you have found your guru. Anyway that is ok> -> > but after this many years have you learned to predict accurately from> > your guru? Dear friends, can anyone provide this man, a blind chart> and> > check it out please? He seems to be too much egotic and over> confident.> > []> > //I then learnt K.P., and am practising it,as a professional> > astrologer.//> > Oh! That means that you have rejected your first guru and his methods!> > Tel us the truth - wasn't that good enough? [] No - we will not tell> > to anyone. []> > //> I have studied and practised both,Traditional> > Astrology B.V.Raman style,as well as K.P., for many years,hence I am> > more qualified to speak and with a lot of authority,//> > Great qualification! Booking learning, experience in failed> > predictions, ditched the guru, blotting ego! Yes, well qualified you> are> > - more than (why many) all of us present in this group!> > //more than many others in this group,especially people like you,with> > closed minds...> > > Fanatics can never learn...//> > All this blame on our poor and sincere Manoj Chandran ji! KP fanatic -> > and he can't see who he is!!! Poor thing!> > Any way at last we have two great advices - []> >> > * Fanatics can never learn...any more...their minds are locked and the> > key is thrown into the sea...!> > * open your mind to superior things in life...and get out of your> > cloistered mind...!> > At least two somewhat good sentences in this otherwise useless mail.> > [)]> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , Yogesh Lajmi> > yogeshlajmi@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Mouji,> > > I could not send it earlier as I was very busy with> > some other work...any this has helped to show up the narrow and> > small-thinking people in this group...who like a vulture thought> here's> > some good dead meat for me...and swooped in...> > > At the very outset,when I had introduced myself to the> > group,I had clearrly mentioned that I had studied Traditional> Astrology> > from B.V.Raman's books...but after getting miserably> > wrong/inaccurate/wrong results on a very large number of occasions I> > gave up astrology as "bunkum"...but fortunately in the 70s I attended> > KSK's lecture demonstration...and immediately decided that I had found> > my Guru... !> > > I then learnt K.P., and am practising it,as a> > professional astrologer...presently...> > > I have studied and practised both,Traditional Astrology> > B.V.Raman style,as well as K.P., for many years,hence I am more> > qualified to speak and with a lot of authority, atleast more than many> > others in this group,especially people like you,with closed minds...> > > Fanatics can never learn...any more...their minds are> > locked and the key is thrown into the sea...!> > > May God help you...open your mind to superior things in> > life...and get out of your cloistered mind...!> > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > >> >>

September 17, 2009

Dear Members,

I think the pointing accusing fingers at traditional astrology will NOT

lead to anything for K.P. inspite of immense popularity it gained during

Sri Krishnamoorthy days, there is NO notable astrologer who could offer

lifeline support to this school of thought. Even the limited KP

books lack clarity which amateurs find difficult and lose interest as

the questions remain questions nor there are any great predictions to

speak on which the amatuers to learn about the techniques....

This again brings to conclusion that predicting is an art, which many

of the traditional astrology still scores over KP System, in the public

domain.

We indians have few bad habits - we start a business in the same domain

as our neighbour for the neighbour has prospered over time...and hence

that business is profitable....!!!! actually by doing this the person

is robbing the customers from his neighbors. How about doing some

independent and also supplementing through which each one can earn and

profit more and more....??

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

September 17, 2009

Thank You.

This is a good mail which was expected from a person of your stature. It

shows equanimous approach towards all systems withour overriding or

overplaying any one.

Yes most of us are bad learners. We loose interest too fast instead of

going deep.

I personally am still learning both Traditional as well as KP all the

time, and also want to learn Sayana after two years study of these.

Traditional astrology is like a ever remaining brim pond with no

fathomable depths. The more one goes into it, the more pearls one may

find

KP these days is fast loosing its charm because people are only using it

to find dates instead of nature of event and quality iof these events.

Except for numerological linkages of houses and predictions based on

these, the new breed of KP astrologers are not able to go deeper. But it

was not so in Guru Krishnamoorthy ji's times. Here also in timing of

events most of them are unsuccessful in even touching the nearest dates.

Unless one brings in a renewed revolution, KP will fast wither. I am

going to hopefully bring this renewed revolution within two years of

time, and make KP more interesting, reachable and predictive for the

astrologers. Rest God knows.

thanks once again for a justice minded reply.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

>

> There is nothing to argue. I am open to and respect all systems of

> astrology.

> If I am not able to draw from a well that does not mean there was no

water

> in it.

>

> I had even tried to absorb the nuances of KP, but I was not yet

satisfied

> with what I had gained so far, so decided to give more time to

traditional.

> I said Westerners because it is easy for them to follow straight and

simple

> methods as KP gives. I think KP has done away with a lot of complex

> qualitative features.

>

> I think we should stop pointing fingers at the different systems, but

blame

> ourselves for being poor learners. Astrology is far too bigger than

our

> narrow minds!

>

> Thanks and regards

> Neelam

2009/9/17 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

>

> >

> > Dear Neelam ji,

> >

> > With due respects to the knowledge you possess, and the respects

which

> > we hold in our hearts for you -

> >

> > When KP is not easy to be learnt by even Indian Astrologers, then it

is

> > far too harder and painstaking for the Westeners to learn this,

though I

> > know a few who have learnt it well and taught by me. But these

> > astrologers who learnt had the pre-requisite of belief in our

Nakshatra

> > system already developed in them.

> >

> > For Traditional astrologers to learn KP, they must already " Pass "

the

> > learning of Traditional astrology to learn KP. Most of the times we

find

> > astrologers limited to talking about planets in signs, or simple

> > transits being approached with a great caution. If people do not

even

> > know Traditional astrology well, then they are incapacitated and

> > handicapped to learn KP, which is why one may not find many takers

to

> > learn this system. They are hapy in their wells, with simple formats

and

> > do not wish to get out and see the world.

> >

> > I am not taking sides of anyone here, please know this and would

> > certainly not be interested to engage in any arguments with you now.

> >

> > regards and best wishes,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > --- In

<%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> > neelam gupta

> >

> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Yogesh Lajmi ji,

> > >

> > > I agree with your views on keeping an open and broadminded

approach

> > towards

> > > astrology. But I regret to say that personal attacks can never be

> > justified.

> > > There are n-number of offshoots of astrology and what we follow is

our

> > > personal choice and affinity and none can be bulldozed into

accepting

> > or

> > > rejecting anything.

> > >

> > > Manoj ji is a senior and respectable astrologer and his opinion

> > matters just

> > > as much. Most humbly I request you to refrain from passing

personal

> > comments

> > > in the group otherwise they will be edited. (with apologies!)

> > >

> > > Those who practice astrology sincerely also know that astrology

can

> > also go

> > > beyond any existing system, like the awakening of the Jyotishmati

Nadi

> > which

> > > enables the practitioner to give accurate predictions without even

> > looking

> > > at the chart. (wouldn't we call it astrology?). There are many

> > other divine

> > > techniques which have given ample proofs of their authenticity.

> > >

> > > Each system has its own merits and demerits but traditional

astrology

> > has

> > > given birth to all and like a mother gets accepted with its flaws

and

> > > shortcomings, if any. That is why may be it is still the most

popular

> > > system.

> > >

> > > Even if we forget Meena and think of KP as the true authentic

> > innovation of

> > > the traditional system, it should generate enough enthusiasm

amongst

> > the

> > > practitioners to accept it readily. Its rate of growth is not as

much

> > as it

> > > should have been? It could've been very popular with Western

> > astrologers

> > > with its clean mathematical model and sound predictions. But that

has

> > not

> > > happened.

> > >

> > > It may be like a Bollywood ART film which appeals to classes and

not

> > masses!

> > >

> > > I am much junior to you in learning and experience. Just shared

some

> > > thoughts most humbly, without meaning any disregard to you or to

KP

> > system!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> >

>

September 17, 2009

Dear Shri Sunil Nairji,

I agree with this very humble mail of yours. I know at times traditional

astrologers are able to give stunning predictions with just the use of

transits itself. I also know that you are just like me, loving all

systems and approaches of astrology with bias towards none. I believe

Shri Yogeshji is innocent at heart and too overly faithfull towards Kp

which is why he gets carried away emotionally. He is also not able to

then control his emotions and they spill over as we have seen presently.

I request you and other moderators of this esteemed group in future to

please edit the messages so that this situation does not arrive at all.

Because when a person writes in impulse he does not know what he is

doing and realises the repurcussions only later on.

Having said this, we must now move on acknowledging the great Masters

and their students like Shri Yogesh ji and hope for well being for all

in times to come.

Love and regards,

Bhaskar.

, " astro_tellerkerala "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar JI

>

> with due respect to expertise of shri Yogesh ji it is high time that i

> hav to open my mind

>

> we in this grp hav givn to him good respect and even all the care and

> lov and even freedom ,Actualy all this what ever happened is his own

> creation

>

> he was always simply declaring his practising system is best and hence

> he is best

>

> The reason is he failed in traditional astrology what he learned

without

> a guru frm some books written by some body and hence all traditional

> astrology is humbug and all traditional astrologers are stupid .

>

> is this is the way to show openness as he claims

>

> as u all know that we never was propogating one single concept

>

> we hav givn enough room and space for all kinds of schools of

astrology

> ,even asked new age Gurus /theoriest to proov themselvs and we r ready

> to accept it

>

> here what happened in reality

>

> he posted a chart ( rather dragged his fight with some one to our grp

in

> the name of prooving )

>

> and 2 of our esteemed memebrs analsysed on it without so called birth

> rectification technics and events justifications on it and yogeshji

> without congratulating both of them he just applied his so caled

system

> and said KP is superior and all others are some way inferior .

>

> is this is the way to discuss in astrology grp ,is this shows academic

> interest ,or is it shows some one is facing a client crunch or student

> crunch ???

>

> is this is proof of superiority of system he is practising

>

> i myself posted many charts ( offcource any one can see those charts

> were taken frm query frm various other astrology grps ) and i also

> requested shri Yogesh ji to commnt abt it tru KP way .Then he said he

> wanted to do birth rectification as he find birth time is wrong and he

> will come back when it is done

>

> this has happened to all charts which i posted but in actual practise

he

> never kept his promise .

>

> is this is the way to proov superiority of a system

>

> as u all know ,i too fight against any one bashing against KP Krishna

> moorthi as i respect all astro-masters irrespectiv of their system (

> even it is me who said he shri KP krishna moorthi is born in lagna as

> abhijit with moon also in abhijit points -now i lost the chart ,so

> quoting frm memory ) during one of such fights in some other grps .

>

> even i am memebr of all astrological grps irrespectiv what ever system

> they follows including lal-kitab grps ( Lal Kitab is so alien to we

> keralites )

>

> So hope yoesh ji will understand it is he only and his a sort of

> evanglical zeal to propogate or proov that his system and method is

> superior is the reason for this outburst frn many other memebrs

>

> i hav all sympathies to him tho he will still claim he was provoked by

> all .

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

> , " Bhaskar "

> bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > The right course of action was not to have allowed the mail which

> > elicited this response from you. I know Shri Yogesh Lajmiji (In

> another

> > Group) as one of the best senior astrologers in India, and those who

> are

> > good also have some eccentricities as we see often in people. Now it

> > pains to see Shri Yogeshji being responded in the manner, in which

he

> > has been from several members. This would not have happened had his

> > mails which if found " Problematic " had been editied in the first

case

> > itself.

> >

> > Love and regards,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " sreesog " sreesog@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Oh! Here is a mail for me to lay my hands upon!

> > > //this has helped to show up the narrow and small-thinking people

in

> > > this group...who like a vulture thought here's some good dead meat

> for

> > > me...and swooped in...//

> > > What a foolish blotting ego this is!!!

> > > //> At the very outset,when I had introduced myself to

> > > the group,I had clearrly mentioned that I had studied Traditional

> > > Astrology from B.V.Raman's books...but after getting miserably

> > > wrong/inaccurate/wrong results on a very large number of occasions

I

> > > gave up astrology as " bunkum " ...but fortunately in the 70s I

> attended

> > > KSK's lecture demonstration...and immediately decided that I had

> found

> > > my Guru... ! //

> > > OK. Got it. So first, You learned without a guru! So a bookish

> > > astrologer without proper understanding. Second, you were (are?)

an

> > > expert in and has a good experience in wrong/inaccurate/wrong

> results.

> > > Great! Third, Just by listening to a demonstration, you decided

> (mere

> > > simple first impression!) you have found your guru. Anyway that is

> ok

> > -

> > > but after this many years have you learned to predict accurately

> from

> > > your guru? Dear friends, can anyone provide this man, a blind

chart

> > and

> > > check it out please? He seems to be too much egotic and over

> > confident.

> > > []

> > > //I then learnt K.P., and am practising it,as a professional

> > > astrologer.//

> > > Oh! That means that you have rejected your first guru and his

> methods!

> > > Tel us the truth - wasn't that good enough? [] No - we will not

> tell

> > > to anyone. []

> > > //> I have studied and practised both,Traditional

> > > Astrology B.V.Raman style,as well as K.P., for many years,hence I

am

> > > more qualified to speak and with a lot of authority,//

> > > Great qualification! Booking learning, experience in failed

> > > predictions, ditched the guru, blotting ego! Yes, well qualified

you

> > are

> > > - more than (why many) all of us present in this group!

> > > //more than many others in this group,especially people like

> you,with

> > > closed minds...

> > > > Fanatics can never learn...//

> > > All this blame on our poor and sincere Manoj Chandran ji! KP

fanatic

> -

> > > and he can't see who he is!!! Poor thing!

> > > Any way at last we have two great advices - []

> > >

> > > * Fanatics can never learn...any more...their minds are locked and

> the

> > > key is thrown into the sea...!

> > > * open your mind to superior things in life...and get out of your

> > > cloistered mind...!

> > > At least two somewhat good sentences in this otherwise useless

mail.

> > > [)]

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , Yogesh Lajmi

> > > yogeshlajmi@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Mouji,

> > > > I could not send it earlier as I was very busy with

> > > some other work...any this has helped to show up the narrow and

> > > small-thinking people in this group...who like a vulture thought

> > here's

> > > some good dead meat for me...and swooped in...

> > > > At the very outset,when I had introduced myself to the

> > > group,I had clearrly mentioned that I had studied Traditional

> > Astrology

> > > from B.V.Raman's books...but after getting miserably

> > > wrong/inaccurate/wrong results on a very large number of occasions

I

> > > gave up astrology as " bunkum " ...but fortunately in the 70s I

> attended

> > > KSK's lecture demonstration...and immediately decided that I had

> found

> > > my Guru... !

> > > > I then learnt K.P., and am practising it,as a

> > > professional astrologer...presently...

> > > > I have studied and practised both,Traditional Astrology

> > > B.V.Raman style,as well as K.P., for many years,hence I am more

> > > qualified to speak and with a lot of authority, atleast more than

> many

> > > others in this group,especially people like you,with closed

minds...

> > > > Fanatics can never learn...any more...their minds are

> > > locked and the key is thrown into the sea...!

> > > > May God help you...open your mind to superior things in

> > > life...and get out of your cloistered mind...!

> > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 17, 2009

Dear Respected Bhaskar JI Thanks for ur post and advices which we always value most .Sure ,we hav givn almost full freedom due to the respect , blf and faith in shri Yogesh Ji ,and we cud not foresee some thing Like this what happened today .Still I hope every one can see the Honesty in shri yogesh Ji s approach tho has some biases but which is natural for an over enthusiastic follower of a system .we will take care frm now onwards with thanks and deep Rgrds sunil nair , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Shri Sunil Nairji,> > I agree with this very humble mail of yours. I know at times traditional> astrologers are able to give stunning predictions with just the use of> transits itself. I also know that you are just like me, loving all> systems and approaches of astrology with bias towards none. I believe> Shri Yogeshji is innocent at heart and too overly faithfull towards Kp> which is why he gets carried away emotionally. He is also not able to> then control his emotions and they spill over as we have seen presently.> I request you and other moderators of this esteemed group in future to> please edit the messages so that this situation does not arrive at all.> Because when a person writes in impulse he does not know what he is> doing and realises the repurcussions only later on.> > Having said this, we must now move on acknowledging the great Masters> and their students like Shri Yogesh ji and hope for well being for all> in times to come.> > Love and regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > , "astro_tellerkerala"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Bhaskar JI> >> > with due respect to expertise of shri Yogesh ji it is high time that i> > hav to open my mind> >> > we in this grp hav givn to him good respect and even all the care and> > lov and even freedom ,Actualy all this what ever happened is his own> > creation> >> > he was always simply declaring his practising system is best and hence> > he is best> >> > The reason is he failed in traditional astrology what he learned> without> > a guru frm some books written by some body and hence all traditional> > astrology is humbug and all traditional astrologers are stupid .> >> > is this is the way to show openness as he claims> >> > as u all know that we never was propogating one single concept> >> > we hav givn enough room and space for all kinds of schools of> astrology> > ,even asked new age Gurus /theoriest to proov themselvs and we r ready> > to accept it> >> > here what happened in reality> >> > he posted a chart ( rather dragged his fight with some one to our grp> in> > the name of prooving )> >> > and 2 of our esteemed memebrs analsysed on it without so called birth> > rectification technics and events justifications on it and yogeshji> > without congratulating both of them he just applied his so caled> system> > and said KP is superior and all others are some way inferior .> >> > is this is the way to discuss in astrology grp ,is this shows academic> > interest ,or is it shows some one is facing a client crunch or student> > crunch ???> >> > is this is proof of superiority of system he is practising> >> > i myself posted many charts ( offcource any one can see those charts> > were taken frm query frm various other astrology grps ) and i also> > requested shri Yogesh ji to commnt abt it tru KP way .Then he said he> > wanted to do birth rectification as he find birth time is wrong and he> > will come back when it is done> >> > this has happened to all charts which i posted but in actual practise> he> > never kept his promise .> >> > is this is the way to proov superiority of a system> >> > as u all know ,i too fight against any one bashing against KP Krishna> > moorthi as i respect all astro-masters irrespectiv of their system (> > even it is me who said he shri KP krishna moorthi is born in lagna as> > abhijit with moon also in abhijit points -now i lost the chart ,so> > quoting frm memory ) during one of such fights in some other grps .> >> > even i am memebr of all astrological grps irrespectiv what ever system> > they follows including lal-kitab grps ( Lal Kitab is so alien to we> > keralites )> >> > So hope yoesh ji will understand it is he only and his a sort of> > evanglical zeal to propogate or proov that his system and method is> > superior is the reason for this outburst frn many other memebrs> >> > i hav all sympathies to him tho he will still claim he was provoked by> > all .> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> >> >> >> > , "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > The right course of action was not to have allowed the mail which> > > elicited this response from you. I know Shri Yogesh Lajmiji (In> > another> > > Group) as one of the best senior astrologers in India, and those who> > are> > > good also have some eccentricities as we see often in people. Now it> > > pains to see Shri Yogeshji being responded in the manner, in which> he> > > has been from several members. This would not have happened had his> > > mails which if found "Problematic" had been editied in the first> case> > > itself.> > >> > > Love and regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "sreesog" sreesog@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Oh! Here is a mail for me to lay my hands upon!> > > > //this has helped to show up the narrow and small-thinking people> in> > > > this group...who like a vulture thought here's some good dead meat> > for> > > > me...and swooped in...//> > > > What a foolish blotting ego this is!!!> > > > //> At the very outset,when I had introduced myself to> > > > the group,I had clearrly mentioned that I had studied Traditional> > > > Astrology from B.V.Raman's books...but after getting miserably> > > > wrong/inaccurate/wrong results on a very large number of occasions> I> > > > gave up astrology as "bunkum"...but fortunately in the 70s I> > attended> > > > KSK's lecture demonstration...and immediately decided that I had> > found> > > > my Guru... ! //> > > > OK. Got it. So first, You learned without a guru! So a bookish> > > > astrologer without proper understanding. Second, you were (are?)> an> > > > expert in and has a good experience in wrong/inaccurate/wrong> > results.> > > > Great! Third, Just by listening to a demonstration, you decided> > (mere> > > > simple first impression!) you have found your guru. Anyway that is> > ok> > > -> > > > but after this many years have you learned to predict accurately> > from> > > > your guru? Dear friends, can anyone provide this man, a blind> chart> > > and> > > > check it out please? He seems to be too much egotic and over> > > confident.> > > > []> > > > //I then learnt K.P., and am practising it,as a professional> > > > astrologer.//> > > > Oh! That means that you have rejected your first guru and his> > methods!> > > > Tel us the truth - wasn't that good enough? [] No - we will not> > tell> > > > to anyone. []> > > > //> I have studied and practised both,Traditional> > > > Astrology B.V.Raman style,as well as K.P., for many years,hence I> am> > > > more qualified to speak and with a lot of authority,//> > > > Great qualification! Booking learning, experience in failed> > > > predictions, ditched the guru, blotting ego! Yes, well qualified> you> > > are> > > > - more than (why many) all of us present in this group!> > > > //more than many others in this group,especially people like> > you,with> > > > closed minds...> > > > > Fanatics can never learn...//> > > > All this blame on our poor and sincere Manoj Chandran ji! KP> fanatic> > -> > > > and he can't see who he is!!! Poor thing!> > > > Any way at last we have two great advices - []> > > >> > > > * Fanatics can never learn...any more...their minds are locked and> > the> > > > key is thrown into the sea...!> > > > * open your mind to superior things in life...and get out of your> > > > cloistered mind...!> > > > At least two somewhat good sentences in this otherwise useless> mail.> > > > [)]> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , Yogesh Lajmi> > > > yogeshlajmi@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Mouji,> > > > > I could not send it earlier as I was very busy with> > > > some other work...any this has helped to show up the narrow and> > > > small-thinking people in this group...who like a vulture thought> > > here's> > > > some good dead meat for me...and swooped in...> > > > > At the very outset,when I had introduced myself to the> > > > group,I had clearrly mentioned that I had studied Traditional> > > Astrology> > > > from B.V.Raman's books...but after getting miserably> > > > wrong/inaccurate/wrong results on a very large number of occasions> I> > > > gave up astrology as "bunkum"...but fortunately in the 70s I> > attended> > > > KSK's lecture demonstration...and immediately decided that I had> > found> > > > my Guru... !> > > > > I then learnt K.P., and am practising it,as a> > > > professional astrologer...presently...> > > > > I have studied and practised both,Traditional Astrology> > > > B.V.Raman style,as well as K.P., for many years,hence I am more> > > > qualified to speak and with a lot of authority, atleast more than> > many> > > > others in this group,especially people like you,with closed> minds...> > > > > Fanatics can never learn...any more...their minds are> > > > locked and the key is thrown into the sea...!> > > > > May God help you...open your mind to superior things in> > > > life...and get out of your cloistered mind...!> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

September 18, 2009

Dear Sreeram ji,

//Even the limited KP books lack clarity which amateurs find difficult and lose

interest//

The statement is quite true as far as I am concerned. My curiosity to learn

astrology saw no limits, after reading a book authoured by Sri K N Rao, which

ended in collecting his books with my limited finances or through generous

friends. In those I saw not only astrology but a touch of humanity which would

have been the main attraction to me. Later, I was lucky to get the 6 KP

Readers, started reading...but unfortunately lost interest.

I agree, not the fault of KP Astrology but the limitations of my intelligence.

blessings,

Renu

, " Sre_eram " <sreeram64

wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

>

> I think the pointing accusing fingers at traditional astrology will NOT

> lead to anything for K.P. inspite of immense popularity it gained during

> Sri Krishnamoorthy days, there is NO notable astrologer who could offer

> lifeline support to this school of thought. Even the limited KP

> books lack clarity which amateurs find difficult and lose interest as

> the questions remain questions nor there are any great predictions to

> speak on which the amatuers to learn about the techniques....

>

> This again brings to conclusion that predicting is an art, which many

> of the traditional astrology still scores over KP System, in the public

> domain.

>

> We indians have few bad habits - we start a business in the same domain

> as our neighbour for the neighbour has prospered over time...and hence

> that business is profitable....!!!! actually by doing this the person

> is robbing the customers from his neighbors. How about doing some

> independent and also supplementing through which each one can earn and

> profit more and more....??

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

September 18, 2009

Dear All respectable Members

Really I am surprise to see , how our members throeing mud on each other, but remember one SUTRA;

"Vidya Vinyam Dadadi", and I think we should respect each other.

Regards

Dr Mishra--- On Thu, 9/17/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala Re: Rationale for Vimshottari Dasa... Received: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 7:24 PM

Dear Respected Bhaskar JI Thanks for ur post and advices which we always value most .Sure ,we hav givn almost full freedom due to the respect , blf and faith in shri Yogesh Ji ,and we cud not foresee some thing Like this what happened today .Still I hope every one can see the Honesty in shri yogesh Ji s approach tho has some biases but which is natural for an over enthusiastic follower of a system .we will take care frm now onwards with thanks and deep Rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > Dear Shri Sunil Nairji,> > I agree with this very humble mail of yours. I know at times traditional> astrologers are able to give stunning predictions with just the use of> transits itself. I also know that you are just

like me, loving all> systems and approaches of astrology with bias towards none. I believe> Shri Yogeshji is innocent at heart and too overly faithfull towards Kp> which is why he gets carried away emotionally. He is also not able to> then control his emotions and they spill over as we have seen presently.> I request you and other moderators of this esteemed group in future to> please edit the messages so that this situation does not arrive at all.> Because when a person writes in impulse he does not know what he is> doing and realises the repurcussions only later on.> > Having said this, we must now move on acknowledging the great Masters> and their students like Shri Yogesh ji and hope for well being for all> in times to come.> > Love and regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

"astro_tellerkerala "> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Bhaskar JI> >> > with due respect to expertise of shri Yogesh ji it is high time that i> > hav to open my mind> >> > we in this grp hav givn to him good respect and even all the care and> > lov and even freedom ,Actualy all this what ever happened is his own> > creation> >> > he was always simply declaring his practising system is best and hence> > he is best> >> > The reason is he failed in traditional astrology what he learned> without> > a guru frm some books written by some body and hence all traditional> > astrology is humbug and all traditional astrologers are stupid .> >> > is this is the way to show openness as he claims> >> > as u all know that we never was

propogating one single concept> >> > we hav givn enough room and space for all kinds of schools of> astrology> > ,even asked new age Gurus /theoriest to proov themselvs and we r ready> > to accept it> >> > here what happened in reality> >> > he posted a chart ( rather dragged his fight with some one to our grp> in> > the name of prooving )> >> > and 2 of our esteemed memebrs analsysed on it without so called birth> > rectification technics and events justifications on it and yogeshji> > without congratulating both of them he just applied his so caled> system> > and said KP is superior and all others are some way inferior .> >> > is this is the way to discuss in astrology grp ,is this shows academic> > interest ,or is it shows some one is facing a client crunch or

student> > crunch ???> >> > is this is proof of superiority of system he is practising> >> > i myself posted many charts ( offcource any one can see those charts> > were taken frm query frm various other astrology grps ) and i also> > requested shri Yogesh ji to commnt abt it tru KP way .Then he said he> > wanted to do birth rectification as he find birth time is wrong and he> > will come back when it is done> >> > this has happened to all charts which i posted but in actual practise> he> > never kept his promise .> >> > is this is the way to proov superiority of a system> >> > as u all know ,i too fight against any one bashing against KP Krishna> > moorthi as i respect all astro-masters irrespectiv of their system (> > even it is me who said he shri KP krishna moorthi

is born in lagna as> > abhijit with moon also in abhijit points -now i lost the chart ,so> > quoting frm memory ) during one of such fights in some other grps .> >> > even i am memebr of all astrological grps irrespectiv what ever system> > they follows including lal-kitab grps ( Lal Kitab is so alien to we> > keralites )> >> > So hope yoesh ji will understand it is he only and his a sort of> > evanglical zeal to propogate or proov that his system and method is> > superior is the reason for this outburst frn many other memebrs> >> > i hav all sympathies to him tho he will still claim he was provoked by> > all .> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > bhaskar_jyotish@

wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > The right course of action was not to have allowed the mail which> > > elicited this response from you. I know Shri Yogesh Lajmiji (In> > another> > > Group) as one of the best senior astrologers in India, and those who> > are> > > good also have some eccentricities as we see often in people. Now it> > > pains to see Shri Yogeshji being responded in the manner, in which> he> > > has been from several members. This would not have happened had his> > > mails which if found "Problematic" had been editied in the first> case> > > itself.> > >> > > Love and regards,> > >> > > Bhaskar.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" sreesog@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Oh! Here is a mail for me to lay my hands upon!> > > > //this has helped to show up the narrow and small-thinking people> in> > > > this group...who like a vulture thought here's some good dead meat> > for> > > > me...and swooped in...//> > > > What a foolish blotting ego this is!!!> > > > //> At the very outset,when I had introduced myself to> > > > the group,I had clearrly mentioned that I had studied Traditional> > > > Astrology from B.V.Raman's books...but after getting miserably> > > > wrong/inaccurate/ wrong results on a very large number of occasions> I> > > > gave up astrology as "bunkum"...but fortunately in the 70s I> >

attended> > > > KSK's lecture demonstration. ..and immediately decided that I had> > found> > > > my Guru.... ! //> > > > OK. Got it. So first, You learned without a guru! So a bookish> > > > astrologer without proper understanding. Second, you were (are?)> an> > > > expert in and has a good experience in wrong/inaccurate/ wrong> > results.> > > > Great! Third, Just by listening to a demonstration, you decided> > (mere> > > > simple first impression!) you have found your guru. Anyway that is> > ok> > > -> > > > but after this many years have you learned to predict accurately> > from> > > > your guru? Dear friends, can anyone provide this man, a blind> chart> > > and> > > > check it out please? He seems to be

too much egotic and over> > > confident.> > > > []> > > > //I then learnt K.P., and am practising it,as a professional> > > > astrologer./ /> > > > Oh! That means that you have rejected your first guru and his> > methods!> > > > Tel us the truth - wasn't that good enough? [] No - we will not> > tell> > > > to anyone. []> > > > //> I have studied and practised both,Traditional> > > > Astrology B.V.Raman style,as well as K.P., for many years,hence I> am> > > > more qualified to speak and with a lot of authority,//> > > > Great qualification! Booking learning, experience in failed> > > > predictions, ditched the guru, blotting ego! Yes, well qualified> you> > > are> > > > - more than (why many) all

of us present in this group!> > > > //more than many others in this group,especially people like> > you,with> > > > closed minds...> > > > > Fanatics can never learn...//> > > > All this blame on our poor and sincere Manoj Chandran ji! KP> fanatic> > -> > > > and he can't see who he is!!! Poor thing!> > > > Any way at last we have two great advices - []> > > >> > > > * Fanatics can never learn...any more...their minds are locked and> > the> > > > key is thrown into the sea...!> > > > * open your mind to superior things in life...and get out of your> > > > cloistered mind...!> > > > At least two somewhat good sentences in this otherwise useless> mail.> > > > [)]> > > > Love and

regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Yogesh Lajmi> > > > yogeshlajmi@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Mouji,> > > > > I could not send it earlier as I was very busy with> > > > some other work...any this has helped to show up the narrow and> > > > small-thinking people in this group...who like a vulture thought> > > here's> > > > some good dead meat for me...and swooped in...> > > > > At the very outset,when I had introduced myself to the> > > > group,I had clearrly mentioned that I had studied Traditional> > > Astrology> > > > from B.V.Raman's books...but after getting miserably> > > > wrong/inaccurate/ wrong results on a very large number of

occasions> I> > > > gave up astrology as "bunkum"....but fortunately in the 70s I> > attended> > > > KSK's lecture demonstration. ..and immediately decided that I had> > found> > > > my Guru... !> > > > > I then learnt K.P., and am practising it,as a> > > > professional astrologer.. .presently. ..> > > > > I have studied and practised both,Traditional Astrology> > > > B.V.Raman style,as well as K.P., for many years,hence I am more> > > > qualified to speak and with a lot of authority, atleast more than> > many> > > > others in this group,especially people like you,with closed> minds...> > > > > Fanatics can never learn...any more...their minds are> > > > locked and the key is thrown into the sea...!> > > > >

May God help you...open your mind to superior things in> > > > life...and get out of your cloistered mind...!> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

September 18, 2009

Dear Yogesh ji and res members

Really you are very learned person, and I am not going incounter U, but you think open mind, then you will get a conclusion that Vedic astrology is difficult and complicated but predictions are accurate and you can idetify the person with his life incidents.

While Kp system is very refind form of Vedic horary and its predictions are accurate and precise , and it also depends upon, what is strenght of astrolgers,

So I have given my findings , Basically I am scientist and but I love this subject, so please dont fight for ego, and we have to serve our community, subject and a great nation, so we have to make this subject more accurate, precise and presentable.

Regards

Dr Mishra--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Vandna <vandana_mishra_91 wrote:

Vandna <vandana_mishra_91 Re: Rationale for Vimshottari Dasa.... Received: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 5:03 PM

ggancient_indian_ astrology, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mouji,> I could not send it earlier as I was very busy with some other work...any this has helped to show up the narrow and small-thinking people in this group...who like a vulture thought here's some good dead meat for me...and swooped in...> At the very outset,when I had introduced myself to the group,I had clearrly mentioned that I had studied Traditional Astrology from B.V.Raman's books...but after getting miserably wrong/inaccurate/ wrong results on

a very large number of occasions I gave up astrology as "bunkum"...but fortunately in the 70s I attended KSK's lecture demonstration. ..and immediately decided that I had found my Guru... !> I then learnt K.P., and am practising it,as a professional astrologer.. .presently. ..> I have studied and practised both,Traditional Astrology B.V.Raman style,as well as K.P., for many years,hence I am more qualified to speak and with a lot of authority, atleast more than many others in this group,especially people like you,with closed minds...> Fanatics can never learn...any more...their minds are locked and the key is thrown into the

sea...! > May God help you...open your mind to superior things in life...and get out of your cloistered mind...!> Yogesh Lajmi.>RESPECTED YOGESH LAJMIJI,While going through your mail,one can easily make out that that u had a frustrated encounter with traditional method of astrology and it seems you have not gained much from BV RAMAN'S books.but it doesnot mean that there is any deficiency in the subject rather it is your understanding which needed deep cultivation toward the subject.it is sad that you have failed in your attempt.all those who possess keen understanding towards the subject which you lacked CANNOT BE MAN WITH LOCKED MIND'..There can be various means of predicting oneS events,as NEELUMJI HAS mentioned if ones jyotish nadi get developed he can predict even

without having any chart. SO LET US not get indulge in any kind of attack or counter attack.We must thankful to ALMIGHTY GOD that he has chosen us to contribute something towards the society through this GYAN.WE MAY FOLLOW DIFFERENT ROUTES BUT GOAL IS COMMON FOR ALL OF US.THAT IS TO GIVE CORRECT PREDICTON.this is a forum where we share ones ideas and knowledge about the subject so one need not be judgemental towards others credibility.REGARDSVANDANA MISHRA

September 18, 2009

Dear Vandna ji

Pranam,

I understand your feelings, but I think words are too hard, becuase seniors are always respectable and we have say any thing that shoud be in very humbly.

Adhik gyan bhi kasht aur aham ka karan banta hai, so take easy we are in this forum for learning, and really personally heart to see counter attack.

all me,bers respect each other and try to improve own knowledge.

I think my key board is missing the word, so for any typing mistake I am apolizing.

Regards

DR Mishra--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Vandna <vandana_mishra_91 wrote:

Vandna <vandana_mishra_91 Re: Rationale for Vimshottari Dasa.... Received: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 5:03 PM

ggancient_indian_ astrology, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Mouji,> I could not send it earlier as I was very busy with some other work...any this has helped to show up the narrow and small-thinking people in this group...who like a vulture thought here's some good dead meat for me...and swooped in...> At the very outset,when I had introduced myself to the group,I had clearrly mentioned that I had studied Traditional Astrology from B.V.Raman's books...but after getting miserably wrong/inaccurate/ wrong results on

a very large number of occasions I gave up astrology as "bunkum"...but fortunately in the 70s I attended KSK's lecture demonstration. ..and immediately decided that I had found my Guru... !> I then learnt K.P., and am practising it,as a professional astrologer.. .presently. ..> I have studied and practised both,Traditional Astrology B.V.Raman style,as well as K.P., for many years,hence I am more qualified to speak and with a lot of authority, atleast more than many others in this group,especially people like you,with closed minds...> Fanatics can never learn...any more...their minds are locked and the key is thrown into the

sea...! > May God help you...open your mind to superior things in life...and get out of your cloistered mind...!> Yogesh Lajmi.>RESPECTED YOGESH LAJMIJI,While going through your mail,one can easily make out that that u had a frustrated encounter with traditional method of astrology and it seems you have not gained much from BV RAMAN'S books.but it doesnot mean that there is any deficiency in the subject rather it is your understanding which needed deep cultivation toward the subject.it is sad that you have failed in your attempt.all those who possess keen understanding towards the subject which you lacked CANNOT BE MAN WITH LOCKED MIND'..There can be various means of predicting oneS events,as NEELUMJI HAS mentioned if ones jyotish nadi get developed he can predict even

without having any chart. SO LET US not get indulge in any kind of attack or counter attack.We must thankful to ALMIGHTY GOD that he has chosen us to contribute something towards the society through this GYAN.WE MAY FOLLOW DIFFERENT ROUTES BUT GOAL IS COMMON FOR ALL OF US.THAT IS TO GIVE CORRECT PREDICTON.this is a forum where we share ones ideas and knowledge about the subject so one need not be judgemental towards others credibility.REGARDSVANDANA MISHRA

September 18, 2009

Dear Bhaskar ji

I have read book in Hindi based on KP system writer is Sursh sahasne , how

beutifully he blended transit sytem of vedic and KP system, I like it,

becuase KP is not capable to predict accurate date based on Vismottari Dasa.

Right now students od astrology is from science , MBA, engs, DRs , they have

lot of talent, and their way of thinking is different, so they will do

better for this subject.

So we should not fifht which system is good , but intension should be that how

we can remove the weakness of any astrological system, it is times demand.

Regards

Dr Mishra

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

Re: Rationale for Vimshottari Dasa...

Received: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 6:35 PM