Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 --- On Sat, 9/19/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuagRe: i want to know about my kundali Date: Saturday, September 19, 2009, 6:29 PM Dear Dhirendra nath ji, //If I take Scorpio it may be acceptable latest by 02:46 AM only as it takes hardly 5 minutes to take out the baby from mother's womb and crying of baby.The life begins when the baby inhales while crying Amma or any other form of sound.so for K.p is concerned,we have to take the rulling planet at the time of judgement// pls refer the above statement. I have seen this and wondered about it. lagna is the time when the baby first cries? Have you given any thought on this? In reality there are many cases where a baby does not cry for hours after birth and nurses try hard to make them cry - even harsh methods like pinching etc. But the truth is medicaly a newly born baby is believed to not to feel pain. So if the baby does not cry for an hour or two, will the KP consider the later time (after two hrs ) or the time of birth- when the baby came out?. what if the child born is dumb?. will you say (KP) that the child is never born?. Practically & medically crying of the baby is only a sign of health and that atleast some of functions are normal. I think it is a total misunderstanding or misinterpretation of what Shree Krishnamoorthy might have tried to convey. Simply because it is illlogical. pls Think about it. I am not trying to bashing of KP. Just pointing to a theory or rather a statement that does not have logic. Birth or Lagna is akin to Udaya - that rises (not cries). It is similar to sun rise - suryodaya. The only controvercy here that whether sun rise should be considered when tip of the surya bimba rises above the horizon or whether it should be when the full circle is above. There is also an argument about the halo of sun. There is lot of similarity in the birth of a child and that of sun the birth could be considered when we see the hair on the head or when when the head come out first or when the full body comes out. here the argument is valid when we consider prishtodaya - birth with legs first comming out. In that case, the body should be naturaly outside for the head to be see - A phenomena that does not happen with Sun. However the whole process takes only a minute or two. But with sun it could be slightly longer due to distance factor and the size of the sun. In traditional astrology we employ some methods such as "Kunda kriya" to correct lagna. I was actually hoping that you could give provide any mathematical process if existing in KP. Personaly I employ a combination of methods but is difficult without the active participation of the native with lot more facts than he might provide on the internet. That is the reason we rarely use it here. In this case, the only pointer he has provided conclusively is that he suffered since the last 2 1/2 years and that his name is sanjay(which we are not sure enough-many don't divulge their true name). That means he started suffering when saturn was transiting through Karkata - his 7th house and to the 8th. Jupiter though in the 11nth was retrograde. hence the suffering could be due to transit of planets also. However I find that if we adjust the time by 5 minutes - lagna off course changes to scorpio, Kalachakra dasa starts with karkata sign at about 2 1/2 years back and with the time he provided it start around 2005. But then, we need more facts to come to a conclusion. The native has only mentioned about financial difficulties - natual when we think 2nd house aspected by saturn from the 8th house. But if we consider Scorpio as lagna, what will the same Saturn do to his family life being in the 7th?. In kalachakra dasa, chidra or antardasa changes with a difference of even a minute whle vimsottari it might take much longer time unless one goes as low as prana / sookshma etc. This is the reason why I choose Kala chakra - and Kala is time also. In reality does it matter which is the lagna here if we consider bhava? Birth time correction is far more complex and time consuming. Birth at a particular time is destined and no one can change it (doctors try- but even that is destined). Hope you shall take this in good stead. I must appologise to sanjay for indulging in this discussion, but felt worthwile to come to a conclusion about the birth time for your own good. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com>Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:02:14 AMRe: i want to know about my kundali Respected Sir,Sadar Namaskar,Sir It is not the case of birth rectification. The querist has informed that his ascendant is Scorpio at 2:41AM on 18-01-1972.But it is incorrect.Actually his Ascendant is Libra at 29/53/30 and the result is correct according to his condition.If I take Scorpio it may be acceptable latest by 02:46 AM only as it takes hardly 5 minutes to take out the baby from mother's womb and crying of baby.The life begins when the baby inhales while crying Amma or any other form of sound.so for K.p is concerned,we have to take the rulling planet at the time of judgement.Then in that sign select the constellation and sub governed by the ruling planet.Then, this is the exact position of the lagna.Only the rulling planet at the moment of judgement will be useful and innumerable instance are given in the magazine ''Astrology & Athrishta''. I am not well adept in rectification of birth time.Please write an article on this point,If it is easily understandable by the general readers. I again pariticipated today in quiz held by K.P.forum and they published my analysis and result is yet to be announced.The query was thus-comment on this person & personality who was born on 25-04-1957 at 6AM,latitude is given 18:59E,Longitude 75:50E.Let the result come.I will tell you.With regards, Dhirendra Nath Misra --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote:Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ >Re: i want to know about my kundaliFriday, September 18, 2009, 5:20 PM Dear Dhirendra ji, Namasthe, I am writing this out of academic interest. Could you possibly show us how you arrive at correct TOB as per KP system?. I am asking since you mentioned about possible difference. with regardsA.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy____________ _________ _________ __Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com>Friday, September 18, 2009 9:11:15 PMRe: i want to know about my kundali Dear Sanjay.If your birth time is taken 2:41AM ,your ascendant comes Libra at 29 Degree 53Minutes 30Seconds.In this situation Your 4th house lord Sani is posited in 8th house and it is retrograde and besides this by progression Saturn had been posited in Leo Sign that is 8th from 4th house so you had to suffer on that count.Besides this your Jupiter-Sun Dasa had been effective from 26-12-2008 to 14-10-2009 and sublord of sun is saturn.This result suites you at present also.Sani(Saturn) has been posited in Leo for last 30 months.In this condition you should have helpfull good brothers and sisters also. Your birth time if taken 2:46AM,then your ascendant may be Scorpio at 1 Degree.In this condition your present condition is in question? Your financial condition should not have been worst.You should have two wheeler or 4 wheeler Vehicle. In this condition you should not have helpfull good brothers and sisters also. Confirm which time is suitable 2:41AM or 2:46AM and scorpio Lagna.If you confirm,you may be told remedy and analysis.Dhirendra Nath Misra --- On Fri, 9/18/09, sanjay_1972@ rocketmail. com <srsc (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote:sanjay_1972@ rocketmail. com <srsc (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> i want to know about my kundaliFriday, September 18, 2009, 1:34 PM pranam siras my DOB is:18/01/1972 time of birth is 02:41 a.m., place of birth is nasik,maharashtra, india. since last 2 & 1/2 yrs i am facing problem in business, i m not able to concentrate properly on business as i am getting very much depress, i have gone to many astrologers some sy i am having shani dhaiya, some say i am having rahu dasha. i dont understant what to do in future life. one more thing i would like to add that my ascendant sign is scorpio, and moon sign is capricorn.request you to plz guide me remedy for my problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Dear Shri Nair ji, just any Tom Dick and Harry writing about KP or mentioning about same, does not mean, he is authority on same. Their mails put over here does not mean that they know about KP or can talk about same. regards/Bhaskar. , Prashanth Nair <prashanthnair999 wrote: > > > > --- On Sat, 9/19/09, Suresh Babu.A.G sureshbabuag wrote: > > > Suresh Babu.A.G sureshbabuag > Re: i want to know about my kundali > > Saturday, September 19, 2009, 6:29 PM Dear Dhirendra nath ji, > > //If I take Scorpio it may be acceptable latest by 02:46 AM only as it takes hardly 5 minutes to take out the baby from mother's womb and crying of baby.The life begins when the baby inhales while crying Amma or any other form of sound.so for K.p is concerned,we have to take the rulling planet at the time of judgement// > > pls refer the above statement. I have seen this and wondered about it. lagna is the time when the baby first cries? Have you given any thought on this? In reality there are many cases where a baby does not cry for hours after birth and nurses try hard to make them cry - even harsh methods like pinching etc. But the truth is medicaly a newly born baby is believed to not to feel pain. So if the baby does not cry for an hour or two, will the KP consider the later time (after two hrs ) or the time of birth- when the baby came out?. what if the child born is dumb?. will you say (KP) that the child is never born?. Practically & medically crying of the baby is only a sign of health and that atleast some of functions are normal. > > I think it is a total misunderstanding or misinterpretation of what Shree Krishnamoorthy might have tried to convey. Simply because it is illlogical. pls Think about it. I am not trying to bashing of KP. Just pointing to a theory or rather a statement that does not have logic. > > Birth or Lagna is akin to Udaya - that rises (not cries). It is similar to sun rise - suryodaya. The only controvercy here that whether sun rise should be considered when tip of the surya bimba rises above the horizon or whether it should be when the full circle is above. There is also an argument about the halo of sun. > > There is lot of similarity in the birth of a child and that of sun > the birth could be considered when we see the hair on the head or when when the head come out first or when the full body comes out. here the argument is valid when we consider prishtodaya - birth with legs first comming out. In that case, the body should be naturaly outside for the head to be see - A phenomena that does not happen with Sun. However the whole process takes only a minute or two. But with sun it could be slightly longer due to distance factor and the size of the sun. > > In traditional astrology we employ some methods such as " Kunda kriya " to correct lagna. I was actually hoping that you could give provide any mathematical process if existing in KP. > > Personaly I employ a combination of methods but is difficult without the active participation of the native with lot more facts than he might provide on the internet. That is the reason we rarely use it here. > > In this case, the only pointer he has provided conclusively is that he suffered since the last 2 1/2 years and that his name is sanjay(which we are not sure enough-many don't divulge their true name). That means he started suffering when saturn was transiting through Karkata - his 7th house and to the 8th. Jupiter though in the 11nth was retrograde. hence the suffering could be due to transit of planets also. However I find that if we adjust the time by 5 minutes - lagna off course changes to scorpio, Kalachakra dasa starts with karkata sign at about 2 1/2 years back and with the time he provided it start around 2005. But then, we need more facts to come to a conclusion. The native has only mentioned about financial difficulties - natual when we think 2nd house aspected by saturn from the 8th house. But if we consider Scorpio as lagna, what will the same Saturn do to his family life being in the 7th?. > > In kalachakra dasa, chidra or antardasa changes with a difference of even a minute whle vimsottari it might take much longer time unless one goes as low as prana / sookshma etc. This is the reason why I choose Kala chakra - and Kala is time also. > > In reality does it matter which is the lagna here if we consider bhava? Birth time correction is far more complex and time consuming. > > Birth at a particular time is destined and no one can change it (doctors try- but even that is destined). > > Hope you shall take this in good stead. > > I must appologise to sanjay for indulging in this discussion, but felt worthwile to come to a conclusion about the birth time for your own good. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com> > > Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:02:14 AM > Re: i want to know about my kundali > > > Respected Sir,Sadar Namaskar,Sir It is not the case of birth rectification. The querist has informed that his ascendant is Scorpio at 2:41AM on 18-01-1972.But it is incorrect.Actually his Ascendant is Libra at 29/53/30 and the result is correct according to his condition. > If I take Scorpio it may be acceptable latest by 02:46 AM only as it takes hardly 5 minutes to take out the baby from mother's womb and crying of baby..The life begins when the baby inhales while crying Amma or any other form of sound.so for K.p is concerned,we have to take the rulling planet at the time of judgement.Then in that sign select the constellation and sub governed by the ruling planet.Then, this is the exact position of the lagna.Only the rulling planet at the moment of judgement will be useful and innumerable instance are given in the magazine ''Astrology & Athrishta''. I am not well adept in rectification of birth time.Please write an article on this point,If it is easily understandable by the general readers. > I again pariticipated today in quiz held by K.P..forum and they published my analysis and result is yet to be announced.The query was thus-comment on this person & personality who was born on 25-04-1957 at 6AM,latitude is given 18:59E,Longitude 75:50E.Let the result come.I will tell you.With regards, > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > --- On Fri, 9/18/09, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > Re: i want to know about my kundali > > Friday, September 18, 2009, 5:20 PM > > > > Dear Dhirendra ji, > Namasthe, > > I am writing this out of academic interest. Could you possibly show us how you arrive at correct TOB as per KP system?. I am asking since you mentioned about possible difference. > > with regards > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra @ ymail.com> > > Friday, September 18, 2009 9:11:15 PM > Re: i want to know about my kundali > > > Dear Sanjay.If your birth time is taken 2:41AM ,your ascendant comes Libra at 29 Degree 53Minutes 30Seconds.In this situation Your 4th house lord Sani is posited in 8th house and it is retrograde and besides this by progression Saturn had been posited in Leo Sign that is 8th from 4th house so you had to suffer on that count.Besides this your Jupiter-Sun Dasa had been effective from 26-12-2008 to 14-10-2009 and sublord of sun is saturn.This result suites you at present also.Sani(Saturn) has been posited in Leo for last 30 months.In this condition you should have helpfull good brothers and sisters also. > Your birth time if taken 2:46AM,then your ascendant may be Scorpio at 1 Degree.In this condition your present condition is in question? Your financial condition should not have been worst.You should have two wheeler or 4 wheeler Vehicle. In this condition you should not have helpfull good brothers and sisters also. > Confirm which time is suitable 2:41AM or 2:46AM and scorpio Lagna.If you confirm,you may be told remedy and analysis. > > Dhirendra Nath Misra > > > --- On Fri, 9/18/09, sanjay_1972@ rocketmail. com srsc (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > sanjay_1972@ rocketmail. com srsc (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> > i want to know about my kundali > > Friday, September 18, 2009, 1:34 PM > > > > pranam sir > as my DOB is:18/01/1972 time of birth is 02:41 a.m., place of birth is nasik,maharashtra, india. since last 2 & 1/2 yrs i am facing problem in business, i m not able to concentrate properly on business as i am getting very much depress, i have gone to many astrologers some sy i am having shani dhaiya, some say i am having rahu dasha. i dont understant what to do in future life. one more thing i would like to add that my ascendant sign is scorpio, and moon sign is capricorn. > request you to plz guide me remedy for my problem. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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