What is a neecha graha vakra phalam (ex: Guru)

September 20, 2009

Hi

What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it give utcha

phalam ? For example Guru.

Likely utcha graha vakram ?

Thank you

Narasimha

--- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan <msbohra62 wrote:

Sudan <msbohra62

Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee

Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM

Dear Gopi ji,

//anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and lead

one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona houses...//

The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !

8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep understanding any

subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th lord are in Yukti in

8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.

Where spiritual development can be see by " Vimshamsha " division chart where you

have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury sign ,the Lagana lord

Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with deep interest.

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@.

...> wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra ji,

> i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all offended

> and you are not capable of ofending!!

> //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is aspecting it,in

> Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//

> anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and

> lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona

> houses...

> Love and regards,

> gopi.

> >

> > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no professional

> interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is essential

> for survival.

> >

> > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > e:

> > >

> > > Dear Bohra ji,

> >

> > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I was under

> the

> > > impi evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever compromise

> in

> > > life on my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly. May be the

> > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want

> toproffessionalise

> > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by compromising. Thissio

> > > pur

> > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am telling you

> > > since you have asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....

> > > Love and regards,

> > > gopi.

> > > anientt_indian_ astrology, " msbohra62 "

> > > <msbora62@> wrrote:

> > > >

> > > > DindiGopi ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.

> > > wrrote:

> >

> > an understand ab ji,

> > >ur liking of " Monyyoui ance) but couwordst

> > > g

> > > > e reason for money matter.

> > > >

> > > > Not to get Marriage is sole your decision or due to any love

> affair

> > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very personal question,it is

> just

> > > to satisfy my observation.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna "

> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear B

> > Bohrji,

> > ,

> > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li Dear B

> > Bohrjere

> > >> >

> > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.

> > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5

> > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi

> > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly final authority and

> aaashi

> > i

> > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy and

> > > ma

> >

> > s

> > > > >

> > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare

> > > > > this is it.

> > >

> > > >makes

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are > so

> >

> > > > > >

> > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where chart

> > > > > ownentYou) have good knowledge of so many field but not the

> master

> > > of

> > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can learn well by only

> > > > > observation only.//

> > > > >

> > > > > since i am not married till date no question of children.the

> other

> > > part

> > > > > is corect as well!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your Rahu position is verarak ikarak in this period you have

> > > ac> > ed

> > > > > so many td wgll inwill in rest periods perihu.Interestingl y in

> > > Chalit

> > > > >ny tr Rahu in 4th in resp perioord of 4th, in 9th s Yog-ks

> Yog-karak.

> > o co> no ..meins4th

> > nd Jup>

> > > > >>

> > > > s > /n 9ti oyourare iu are in

> > o co> or ary or Ac..

> > >t rel>

> > ed jo>>

> > > > s > /

> > have oo manye ppoarenitythe ry ormoney.Your Mart relchalit chart is

> > > > > Neech in 11thh itnity to eakhat you Your Mt loin in ney in

> Lands

> > > an prop

> > > pr.Mirties.Might be you have invested all ready in proper

> > > an nd

> > > you

> > > > > wis.Migt by wyou multiplication. //

> > > > >

> > > > >operts inandcounts but everything else is not....

> > > > > Majority is corect .congrats. Please keep it up.....you are

> reading

> > > a

> > > > > blind char> warm

> > > > warm regards,

> > > > > gopi..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > These are some my observation, pleaseards,

> > rm the same,wh

> > > mxtend

> > > my

> > > > > reading is right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > rea>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > e:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Tripathy th

> > > > > > s>

> > > >> > > n i

> > > > > > ursuro

> > > > > > ururr u us way ooishna " <h i i l verery m chrery much.

> > > adress

> > > > > > > e i,

> > > h

> > > > > th

> > > > >andedony andedowhw etMahwhw

> > > adres.

> > >.Mc ll l i i,h.eheiu to to

> > > > > > u ony anhe ehe s

> > Mahwhw a

> > > > >r.Mc.Mc e th s ro o y iopoo yi iopore eea e alhe c>

> > aeast c>

> > > my2e2my> e

> > > > e > e

> > > h o y ioyoo yi iop

> > re eea eoeaet lavl hadavhvtady2e2me> e

> > >dtadb ebines>

> > b si hys

> > > >

> > > >e

> > > > l o soy

> > > > > > yr h

> > > vt> ybehds andb ebnnem ysno no ol 5 lnd 5 l le eb.

> > > > > b

> > > > >

> > > > > > y b.

> > > > > > durdrddsfrdrds,

> > >> >> > --

> > --- a

> > > > >

> > -- a

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 9, 2009

Dear Friends,Let try to understand retrograde planets.On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,as there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to other planets ,it is only said that their motion is retrograde.., but they (nodes) never behave as retrograde planet.The main features of retrograde planets:1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very strong influence on the earth. When Mercury and Venus are retrograde , they should not be considered as combust but as 'ASTA' THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.2, As their motion is in reverse direction when viewed from earth on account of relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a sea change , as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner. 3. With the result exalted planets becomes to hipper sensitive in behavior and most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This condition is termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that exalted and retrograde Lords of Trik houses will yield to powerful results.4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will delay the results, and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better results subject to the condition given in point 4 above.G. K. Goel

From: narsimha6Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700 Re: What is a neecha graha vakra phalam (ex: Guru)

Hi

What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it give utcha phalam ? For example Guru.

Likely utcha graha vakram ?

Thank you

Narasimha

--- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee

Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM

Dear Gopi ji,

//anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona houses...//

The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !

8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep understanding any subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th lord are in Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.

Where spiritual development can be see by "Vimshamsha" division chart where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury sign ,the Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with deep interest.

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra ji,

> i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all offended

> and you are not capable of ofending!!

> //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is aspecting it,in

> Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//

> anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and

> lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona

> houses...

> Love and regards,

> gopi.

> >

> > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no professional

> interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is essential

> for survival.

> >

> > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > e:

> > >

> > > Dear Bohra ji,

> >

> > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I was under

> the

> > > impi evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever compromise

> in

> > > life on my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly. May be the

> > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want

> toproffessionalise

> > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by compromising. Thissio

> > > pur

> > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am telling you

> > > since you have asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....

> > > Love and regards,

> > > gopi.

> > > anientt_indian_ astrology, "msbohra62"

> > > <msbora62@> wrrote:

> > > >

> > > > DindiGopi ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.

> > > wrrote:

> >

> > an understand ab ji,

> > >ur liking of "Monyyoui ance) but couwordst

> > > g

> > > > e reason for money matter.

> > > >

> > > > Not to get Marriage is sole your decision or due to any love

> affair

> > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very personal question,it is

> just

> > > to satisfy my observation.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"

> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear B

> > Bohrji,

> > ,

> > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li Dear B

> > Bohrjere

> > >> >

> > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.

> > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5

> > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi

> > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly final authority and

> aaashi

> > i

> > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy and

> > > ma

> >

> > s

> > > > >

> > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare

> > > > > this is it.

> > >

> > > >makes

> > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are > so

> >

> > > > > >

> > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where chart

> > > > > ownentYou) have good knowledge of so many field but not the

> master

> > > of

> > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can learn well by only

> > > > > observation only.//

> > > > >

> > > > > since i am not married till date no question of children.the

> other

> > > part

> > > > > is corect as well!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your Rahu position is verarak ikarak in this period you have

> > > ac> > ed

> > > > > so many td wgll inwill in rest periods perihu.Interestingl y in

> > > Chalit

> > > > >ny tr Rahu in 4th in resp perioord of 4th, in 9th s Yog-ks

> Yog-karak.

> > o co> no ..meins4th

> > nd Jup>

> > > > >>

> > > > s > /n 9ti oyourare iu are in

> > o co> or ary or Ac..

> > >t rel>

> > ed jo>>

> > > > s > /

> > have oo manye ppoarenitythe ry ormoney.Your Mart relchalit chart is

> > > > > Neech in 11thh itnity to eakhat you Your Mt loin in ney in

> Lands

> > > an prop

> > > pr.Mirties.Might be you have invested all ready in proper

> > > an nd

> > > you

> > > > > wis.Migt by wyou multiplication. //

> > > > >

> > > > >operts inandcounts but everything else is not....

> > > > > Majority is corect .congrats. Please keep it up.....you are

> reading

> > > a

> > > > > blind char> warm

> > > > warm regards,

> > > > > gopi..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > These are some my observation, pleaseards,

> > rm the same,wh

> > > mxtend

> > > my

> > > > > reading is right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > rea>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > e:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Tripathy th

> > > > > > s>

> > > >> > > n i

> > > > > > ursuro

> > > > > > ururr u us way ooishna" <h i i l verery m chrery much.

> > > adress

> > > > > > > e i,

> > > h

> > > > > th

> > > > >andedony andedowhw etMahwhw

> > > adres.

> > >.Mc ll l i i,h.eheiu to to

> > > > > > u ony anhe ehe s

> > Mahwhw a

> > > > >r.Mc.Mc e th s ro o y iopoo yi iopore eea e alhe c>

> > aeast c>

> > > my2e2my> e

> > > > e > e

> > > h o y ioyoo yi iop

> > re eea eoeaet lavl hadavhvtady2e2me> e

> > >dtadb ebines>

> > b si hys

> > > >

> > > >e

> > > > l o soy

> > > > > > yr h

> > > vt> ybehds andb ebnnem ysno no ol 5 lnd 5 l le eb.

> > > > > b

> > > > >

> > > > > > y b.

> > > > > > durdrddsfrdrds,

> > >> >> > --

> > --- a

> > > > >

> > -- a

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

From the events that change the world, to the ones that just shouldn’t be missed. Catch it all on MSN India. Drag n’ drop

October 9, 2009

State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha, Mantreswara

should have taken care in this point.

Utkal.

, gopal krishna goel

<g.k.goel wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> Let try to understand retrograde planets.

> On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,

> as there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to other planets ,

> it is only said that their motion is retrograde.., but they (nodes) never

behave

> as retrograde planet.

> The main features of retrograde planets:

> 1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very

> strong influence on the earth. When Mercury and Venus are

> retrograde , they should not be considered as combust but as 'ASTA'

> THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.

> 2, As their motion is in reverse direction when viewed from earth on account

of

> relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a sea change

,

> as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner.

> 3. With the result exalted planets becomes to hipper sensitive in behavior

and

> most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This condition

is

> termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that exalted and

retrograde

> Lords of Trik houses will yield to powerful results.

> 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will delay the

results,

> and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.

> 5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better results subject to the

condition given in point 4 above.

>

> G. K. Goel

>

> narsimha6

> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700

> Re: What is a neecha graha vakra phalam

(ex: Guru)

>

Hi

>

> What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it give utcha

phalam ? For example Guru.

>

> Likely utcha graha vakram ?

>

> Thank you

>

> Narasimha

>

> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan <msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Sudan <msbohra62

>

> Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee

>

> Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM

>

Dear Gopi ji,

>

> //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and lead

one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona houses...//

>

> The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !

>

> 8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep understanding any

subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th lord are in Yukti in

8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.

>

> Where spiritual development can be see by " Vimshamsha " division chart where

you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury sign ,the Lagana lord

Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with deep interest.

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna "

<gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Bohra ji,

>

> > i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all offended

>

> > and you are not capable of ofending!!

>

> > //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is aspecting it,in

>

> > Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//

>

> > anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and

>

> > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona

>

> > houses...

>

> > Love and regards,

>

> > gopi.

>

> > >

>

> > > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no professional

>

> > interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is essential

>

> > for survival.

>

> > >

>

> > > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.

>

> > >

>

> > > M.S.Bohra

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > e:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Dear Bohra ji,

>

> > >

>

> > > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I was under

>

> > the

>

> > > > impi evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever compromise

>

> > in

>

> > > > life on my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly. May be the

>

> > > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want

>

> > toproffessionalise

>

> > > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by compromising. Thissio

>

> > > > pur

>

> > > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am telling you

>

> > > > since you have asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....

>

> > > > Love and regards,

>

> > > > gopi.

>

> > > > anientt_indian_ astrology, " msbohra62 "

>

> > > > <msbora62@> wrrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > DindiGopi ji,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.

>

> > > > wrrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > an understand ab ji,

>

> > > >ur liking of " Monyyoui ance) but couwordst

>

> > > > g

>

> > > > > e reason for money matter.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Not to get Marriage is sole your decision or due to any love

>

> > affair

>

> > > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very personal question,it is

>

> > just

>

> > > > to satisfy my observation.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Thanks,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > M.S.Bohra

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna "

>

> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > Dear B

>

> > > Bohrji,

>

> > > ,

>

> > > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li Dear B

>

> > > Bohrjere

>

> > > >> >

>

> > > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.

>

> > > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5

>

> > > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi

>

> > > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly final authority and

>

> > aaashi

>

> > > i

>

> > > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy and

>

> > > > ma

>

> > >

>

> > > s

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare

>

> > > > > > this is it.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > >makes

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are > so

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where chart

>

> > > > > > ownentYou) have good knowledge of so many field but not the

>

> > master

>

> > > > of

>

> > > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can learn well by only

>

> > > > > > observation only.//

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > since i am not married till date no question of children.the

>

> > other

>

> > > > part

>

> > > > > > is corect as well!!

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Your Rahu position is verarak ikarak in this period you have

>

> > > > ac> > ed

>

> > > > > > so many td wgll inwill in rest periods perihu.Interestingl y in

>

> > > > Chalit

>

> > > > > >ny tr Rahu in 4th in resp perioord of 4th, in 9th s Yog-ks

>

> > Yog-karak.

>

> > > o co> no ..meins4th

>

> > > nd Jup>

>

> > > > > >>

>

> > > > > s > /n 9ti oyourare iu are in

>

> > > o co> or ary or Ac..

>

> > > >t rel>

>

> > > ed jo>>

>

> > > > > s > /

>

> > > have oo manye ppoarenitythe ry ormoney.Your Mart relchalit chart is

>

> > > > > > Neech in 11thh itnity to eakhat you Your Mt loin in ney in

>

> > Lands

>

> > > > an prop

>

> > > > pr.Mirties.Might be you have invested all ready in proper

>

> > > > an nd

>

> > > > you

>

> > > > > > wis.Migt by wyou multiplication. //

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >operts inandcounts but everything else is not....

>

> > > > > > Majority is corect .congrats. Please keep it up.....you are

>

> > reading

>

> > > > a

>

> > > > > > blind char> warm

>

> > > > > warm regards,

>

> > > > > > gopi..

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > These are some my observation, pleaseards,

>

> > > rm the same,wh

>

> > > > mxtend

>

> > > > my

>

> > > > > > reading is right.

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Thanks,

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

>

> > > > rea>

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > e:

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy th

>

> > > > > > > s>

>

> > > > >> > > n i

>

> > > > > > > ursuro

>

> > > > > > > ururr u us way ooishna " <h i i l verery m chrery much.

>

> > > > adress

>

> > > > > > > > e i,

>

> > > > h

>

> > > > > > th

>

> > > > > >andedony andedowhw etMahwhw

>

> > > > adres.

>

> > > >.Mc ll l i i,h.eheiu to to

>

> > > > > > > u ony anhe ehe s

>

> > > Mahwhw a

>

> > > > > >r.Mc.Mc e th s ro o y iopoo yi iopore eea e alhe c>

>

> > > aeast c>

>

> > > > my2e2my> e

>

> > > > > e > e

>

> > > > h o y ioyoo yi iop

>

> > > re eea eoeaet lavl hadavhvtady2e2me> e

>

> > > >dtadb ebines>

>

> > > b si hys

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >e

>

> > > > > l o soy

>

> > > > > > > yr h

>

> > > > vt> ybehds andb ebnnem ysno no ol 5 lnd 5 l le eb.

>

> > > > > > b

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > y b.

>

> > > > > > > durdrddsfrdrds,

>

> > > >> >> > --

>

> > > --- a

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > -- a

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

_______________

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October 9, 2009

Dear Utkal ji,//Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.//Shri Mantreshwara is one of the great seers of astrology and his work Phaldeepika is one of the most respected one.

Treatment of trasits is the best here amongst the texts of that period. Overall a much coveted text.I do not think it is proper to say who should've done what for these great astrologers of the past. They are the shoulders we stand on. We neither have the learning nor the experience to comment thus.

We may review various works and form our opinions after application and experiementation. We may say that we see some principle working or not working.But how can we say he should have said this or that with our limited understanding.

Regarding retrogrades, there is a difference of opinion as seen from different works. In the past we've had many discussions on the topic which you may find in the archives.There is lack of research to pin point how a retro would exactly behave. There's no difference in karkatwas being mentioned anywhere. Often the results are only applicable in transits.

We need a much greater body of research and inferences to wish away what is mentioned in the classics.Just sharing my views. You may not agree.:-)RegardsNeelam2009/10/9 utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi

State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha, Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.

Utkal.

, gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> Let try to understand retrograde planets.

> On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,

> as there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to other planets ,

> it is only said that their motion is retrograde.., but they (nodes) never behave

> as retrograde planet.

> The main features of retrograde planets:

> 1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very

> strong influence on the earth. When Mercury and Venus are

> retrograde , they should not be considered as combust but as 'ASTA'

> THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.

> 2, As their motion is in reverse direction when viewed from earth on account of

> relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a sea change ,

> as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner.

> 3. With the result exalted planets becomes to hipper sensitive in behavior and

> most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This condition is

> termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that exalted and retrograde

> Lords of Trik houses will yield to powerful results.

> 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will delay the results,

> and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.

> 5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better results subject to the condition given in point 4 above.

>

> G. K. Goel

>

> narsimha6

> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700

> Re: What is a neecha graha vakra phalam (ex: Guru)

>

> Hi

>

> What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it give utcha phalam ? For example Guru.

>

> Likely utcha graha vakram ?

>

> Thank you

>

> Narasimha

>

> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan <msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Sudan <msbohra62

>

> Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee

>

> Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM

>

> Dear Gopi ji,

>

> //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona houses...//

>

> The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !

>

> 8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep understanding any subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th lord are in Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.

>

> Where spiritual development can be see by " Vimshamsha " division chart where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury sign ,the Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with deep interest.

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna " <gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Bohra ji,

>

> > i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all offended

>

> > and you are not capable of ofending!!

>

> > //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is aspecting it,in

>

> > Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//

>

> > anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and

>

> > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona

>

> > houses...

>

> > Love and regards,

>

> > gopi.

>

> > >

>

> > > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no professional

>

> > interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is essential

>

> > for survival.

>

> > >

>

> > > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.

>

> > >

>

> > > M.S.Bohra

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > e:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Dear Bohra ji,

>

> > >

>

> > > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I was under

>

> > the

>

> > > > impi evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever compromise

>

> > in

>

> > > > life on my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly. May be the

>

> > > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want

>

> > toproffessionalise

>

> > > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by compromising. Thissio

>

> > > > pur

>

> > > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am telling you

>

> > > > since you have asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....

>

> > > > Love and regards,

>

> > > > gopi.

>

> > > > anientt_indian_ astrology, " msbohra62 "

>

> > > > <msbora62@> wrrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > DindiGopi ji,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.

>

> > > > wrrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > an understand ab ji,

>

> > > >ur liking of " Monyyoui ance) but couwordst

>

> > > > g

>

> > > > > e reason for money matter.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Not to get Marriage is sole your decision or due to any love

>

> > affair

>

> > > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very personal question,it is

>

> > just

>

> > > > to satisfy my observation.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Thanks,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > M.S.Bohra

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna "

>

> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > Dear B

>

> > > Bohrji,

>

> > > ,

>

> > > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li Dear B

>

> > > Bohrjere

>

> > > >> >

>

> > > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.

>

> > > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5

>

> > > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi

>

> > > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly final authority and

>

> > aaashi

>

> > > i

>

> > > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy and

>

> > > > ma

>

> > >

>

> > > s

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare

>

> > > > > > this is it.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > >makes

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are > so

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where chart

>

> > > > > > ownentYou) have good knowledge of so many field but not the

>

> > master

>

> > > > of

>

> > > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can learn well by only

>

> > > > > > observation only.//

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > since i am not married till date no question of children.the

>

> > other

>

> > > > part

>

> > > > > > is corect as well!!

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Your Rahu position is verarak ikarak in this period you have

>

> > > > ac> > ed

>

> > > > > > so many td wgll inwill in rest periods perihu.Interestingl y in

>

> > > > Chalit

>

> > > > > >ny tr Rahu in 4th in resp perioord of 4th, in 9th s Yog-ks

>

> > Yog-karak.

>

> > > o co> no ..meins4th

>

> > > nd Jup>

>

> > > > > >>

>

> > > > > s > /n 9ti oyourare iu are in

>

> > > o co> or ary or Ac..

>

> > > >t rel>

>

> > > ed jo>>

>

> > > > > s > /

>

> > > have oo manye ppoarenitythe ry ormoney.Your Mart relchalit chart is

>

> > > > > > Neech in 11thh itnity to eakhat you Your Mt loin in ney in

>

> > Lands

>

> > > > an prop

>

> > > > pr.Mirties.Might be you have invested all ready in proper

>

> > > > an nd

>

> > > > you

>

> > > > > > wis.Migt by wyou multiplication. //

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >operts inandcounts but everything else is not....

>

> > > > > > Majority is corect .congrats. Please keep it up.....you are

>

> > reading

>

> > > > a

>

> > > > > > blind char> warm

>

> > > > > warm regards,

>

> > > > > > gopi..

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > These are some my observation, pleaseards,

>

> > > rm the same,wh

>

> > > > mxtend

>

> > > > my

>

> > > > > > reading is right.

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Thanks,

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

>

> > > > rea>

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > e:

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy th

>

> > > > > > > s>

>

> > > > >> > > n i

>

> > > > > > > ursuro

>

> > > > > > > ururr u us way ooishna " <h i i l verery m chrery much.

>

> > > > adress

>

> > > > > > > > e i,

>

> > > > h

>

> > > > > > th

>

> > > > > >andedony andedowhw etMahwhw

>

> > > > adres.

>

> > > >.Mc ll l i i,h.eheiu to to

>

> > > > > > > u ony anhe ehe s

>

> > > Mahwhw a

>

> > > > > >r.Mc.Mc e th s ro o y iopoo yi iopore eea e alhe c>

>

> > > aeast c>

>

> > > > my2e2my> e

>

> > > > > e > e

>

> > > > h o y ioyoo yi iop

>

> > > re eea eoeaet lavl hadavhvtady2e2me> e

>

> > > >dtadb ebines>

>

> > > b si hys

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >e

>

> > > > > l o soy

>

> > > > > > > yr h

>

> > > > vt> ybehds andb ebnnem ysno no ol 5 lnd 5 l le eb.

>

> > > > > > b

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > y b.

>

> > > > > > > durdrddsfrdrds,

>

> > > >> >> > --

>

> > > --- a

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > -- a

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> ________

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>

October 9, 2009

Dear Utakal ji,Ketu is Mars vat and Rahu acts Sani vat.Are ketu and Mars same ?Are Rahu and Saturn same?Same is applicable for retrograde planets.Kindly do not translate it literally but we have to understand hidden massage given by Phaldeepika.Regards,G. K. Goel

From: utkal.panigrahiDate: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:54:25 +0000 Re: What is a neecha graha vakra phalam (ex: Guru)

State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha, Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.

Utkal.

, gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> Let try to understand retrograde planets.

> On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,

> as there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to other planets ,

> it is only said that their motion is retrograde.., but they (nodes) never behave

> as retrograde planet.

> The main features of retrograde planets:

> 1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very

> strong influence on the earth. When Mercury and Venus are

> retrograde , they should not be considered as combust but as 'ASTA'

> THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.

> 2, As their motion is in reverse direction when viewed from earth on account of

> relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a sea change ,

> as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner.

> 3. With the result exalted planets becomes to hipper sensitive in behavior and

> most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This condition is

> termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that exalted and retrograde

> Lords of Trik houses will yield to powerful results.

> 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will delay the results,

> and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.

> 5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better results subject to the condition given in point 4 above.

>

> G. K. Goel

>

> narsimha6

> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700

> Re: What is a neecha graha vakra phalam (ex: Guru)

>

> Hi

>

> What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it give utcha phalam ? For example Guru.

>

> Likely utcha graha vakram ?

>

> Thank you

>

> Narasimha

>

> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan <msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Sudan <msbohra62

>

> Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee

>

> Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM

>

> Dear Gopi ji,

>

> //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona houses...//

>

> The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !

>

> 8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep understanding any subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th lord are in Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.

>

> Where spiritual development can be see by "Vimshamsha" division chart where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury sign ,the Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with deep interest.

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Bohra ji,

>

> > i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all offended

>

> > and you are not capable of ofending!!

>

> > //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is aspecting it,in

>

> > Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//

>

> > anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and

>

> > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona

>

> > houses...

>

> > Love and regards,

>

> > gopi.

>

> > >

>

> > > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no professional

>

> > interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is essential

>

> > for survival.

>

> > >

>

> > > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.

>

> > >

>

> > > M.S.Bohra

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > e:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Dear Bohra ji,

>

> > >

>

> > > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I was under

>

> > the

>

> > > > impi evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever compromise

>

> > in

>

> > > > life on my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly. May be the

>

> > > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want

>

> > toproffessionalise

>

> > > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by compromising. Thissio

>

> > > > pur

>

> > > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am telling you

>

> > > > since you have asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....

>

> > > > Love and regards,

>

> > > > gopi.

>

> > > > anientt_indian_ astrology, "msbohra62"

>

> > > > <msbora62@> wrrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > DindiGopi ji,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.

>

> > > > wrrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > an understand ab ji,

>

> > > >ur liking of "Monyyoui ance) but couwordst

>

> > > > g

>

> > > > > e reason for money matter.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Not to get Marriage is sole your decision or due to any love

>

> > affair

>

> > > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very personal question,it is

>

> > just

>

> > > > to satisfy my observation.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Thanks,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > M.S.Bohra

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"

>

> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > > Dear B

>

> > > Bohrji,

>

> > > ,

>

> > > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li Dear B

>

> > > Bohrjere

>

> > > >> >

>

> > > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.

>

> > > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5

>

> > > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi

>

> > > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly final authority and

>

> > aaashi

>

> > > i

>

> > > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy and

>

> > > > ma

>

> > >

>

> > > s

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare

>

> > > > > > this is it.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > >makes

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are > so

>

> > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where chart

>

> > > > > > ownentYou) have good knowledge of so many field but not the

>

> > master

>

> > > > of

>

> > > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can learn well by only

>

> > > > > > observation only.//

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > since i am not married till date no question of children.the

>

> > other

>

> > > > part

>

> > > > > > is corect as well!!

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Your Rahu position is verarak ikarak in this period you have

>

> > > > ac> > ed

>

> > > > > > so many td wgll inwill in rest periods perihu.Interestingl y in

>

> > > > Chalit

>

> > > > > >ny tr Rahu in 4th in resp perioord of 4th, in 9th s Yog-ks

>

> > Yog-karak.

>

> > > o co> no ..meins4th

>

> > > nd Jup>

>

> > > > > >>

>

> > > > > s > /n 9ti oyourare iu are in

>

> > > o co> or ary or Ac..

>

> > > >t rel>

>

> > > ed jo>>

>

> > > > > s > /

>

> > > have oo manye ppoarenitythe ry ormoney.Your Mart relchalit chart is

>

> > > > > > Neech in 11thh itnity to eakhat you Your Mt loin in ney in

>

> > Lands

>

> > > > an prop

>

> > > > pr.Mirties.Might be you have invested all ready in proper

>

> > > > an nd

>

> > > > you

>

> > > > > > wis.Migt by wyou multiplication. //

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >operts inandcounts but everything else is not....

>

> > > > > > Majority is corect .congrats. Please keep it up.....you are

>

> > reading

>

> > > > a

>

> > > > > > blind char> warm

>

> > > > > warm regards,

>

> > > > > > gopi..

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > These are some my observation, pleaseards,

>

> > > rm the same,wh

>

> > > > mxtend

>

> > > > my

>

> > > > > > reading is right.

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > Thanks,

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

>

> > > > rea>

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > e:

>

> > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy th

>

> > > > > > > s>

>

> > > > >> > > n i

>

> > > > > > > ursuro

>

> > > > > > > ururr u us way ooishna" <h i i l verery m chrery much.

>

> > > > adress

>

> > > > > > > > e i,

>

> > > > h

>

> > > > > > th

>

> > > > > >andedony andedowhw etMahwhw

>

> > > > adres.

>

> > > >.Mc ll l i i,h.eheiu to to

>

> > > > > > > u ony anhe ehe s

>

> > > Mahwhw a

>

> > > > > >r.Mc.Mc e th s ro o y iopoo yi iopore eea e alhe c>

>

> > > aeast c>

>

> > > > my2e2my> e

>

> > > > > e > e

>

> > > > h o y ioyoo yi iop

>

> > > re eea eoeaet lavl hadavhvtady2e2me> e

>

> > > >dtadb ebines>

>

> > > b si hys

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >e

>

> > > > > l o soy

>

> > > > > > > yr h

>

> > > > vt> ybehds andb ebnnem ysno no ol 5 lnd 5 l le eb.

>

> > > > > > b

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > y b.

>

> > > > > > > durdrddsfrdrds,

>

> > > >> >> > --

>

> > > --- a

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > -- a

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

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October 9, 2009

Dear all,

This mail I too second. In fact wanted to write the same way but just

restrained myself. in the past also some derogatory references were made

about Brihat Jataka and other few texts, and now about this. I do not

understand what is going on here in this forum ? Are we the keepers of

the ancient astrology texts and propogators of the same, or are we here

to create doubts about these, in the minds of the newcomers. This is

exatly like what the missionaries are doing in india. Who is better than

the writers of Brihat jataka or the Phaldeepika to comment on these ?

Some non entities who have not yet been able to prove themselves better,

but have been born with a mouth to shoot off rubbish about the people on

whose shoulders we stand on as Neelamji rightly said and which is a true

fact ???>

Sreenadhji is much better in such matters. He does not outright negate a

person except not accept certain matters while accepting others in the

same subject, which is the right attitude.

But here some people are outright negating people of stature, which is

shameful and not in proper line or taste.

I request them to come with astrological pointers , instead of just

commenting or talking rot about others sitting on a self given high seat

in his own bedrroom, by his servant.

Bhaskar.

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Utkal ji,

>

> //Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.//

>

> Shri Mantreshwara is one of the great seers of astrology and his work

> Phaldeepika is one of the most respected one.

> Treatment of trasits is the best here amongst the texts of that

period.

> Overall a much coveted text.

>

> I do not think it is proper to say who should've done what for these

great

> astrologers of the past. They are the shoulders we stand on. We

neither have

> the learning nor the experience to comment thus.

> We may review various works and form our opinions after application

and

> experiementation. We may say that we see some principle working or not

> working.

> But how can we say he should have said this or that with our limited

> understanding.

>

> Regarding retrogrades, there is a difference of opinion as seen from

> different works. In the past we've had many discussions on the topic

which

> you may find in the archives.

> There is lack of research to pin point how a retro would exactly

behave.

> There's no difference in karkatwas being mentioned anywhere. Often the

> results are only applicable in transits.

>

> We need a much greater body of research and inferences to wish away

what is

> mentioned in the classics.

>

> Just sharing my views. You may not agree.:-)

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> 2009/10/9 utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi

>

> >

> > State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha,

> > Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.

> >

> > Utkal.

> >

> > --- In

<%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> > gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > Let try to understand retrograde planets.

> > > On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,

> > > as there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to other

planets

> > ,

> > > it is only said that their motion is retrograde.., but they

(nodes) never

> > behave

> > > as retrograde planet.

> > > The main features of retrograde planets:

> > > 1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very

> > > strong influence on the earth. When Mercury and Venus are

> > > retrograde , they should not be considered as combust but as

'ASTA'

> > > THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.

> > > 2, As their motion is in reverse direction when viewed from earth

on

> > account of

> > > relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a

sea

> > change ,

> > > as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner.

> > > 3. With the result exalted planets becomes to hipper sensitive in

> > behavior and

> > > most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This

> > condition is

> > > termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that

exalted and

> > retrograde

> > > Lords of Trik houses will yield to powerful results.

> > > 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will

delay

> > the results,

> > > and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.

> > > 5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better results

subject to

> > the condition given in point 4 above.

> > >

> > > G. K. Goel

> > >

> > > To:

<%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> > > narsimha6@

> > > Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700

> > > Re: What is a neecha graha

vakra

> > phalam (ex: Guru)

> > >

> > > Hi

> > >

> > > What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it

give

> > utcha phalam ? For example Guru.

> > >

> > > Likely utcha graha vakram ?

> > >

> > > Thank you

> > >

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan msbohra62@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Sudan msbohra62@

> >

> > >

> > > Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear

Gopi Jee

> > >

> > > To:

<%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> > >

> > > Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM

> > >

> > > Dear Gopi ji,

> > >

> > > //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy

it and

> > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona

houses...//

> > >

> > > The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !

> > >

> > > 8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep

understanding

> > any subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th lord

are in

> > Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.

> > >

> > > Where spiritual development can be see by " Vimshamsha " division

chart

> > where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury

sign ,the

> > Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with deep

> > interest.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" gopalakrishna "

> > <gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > >

> > > > i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all

offended

> > >

> > > > and you are not capable of ofending!!

> > >

> > > > //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is

aspecting

> > it,in

> > >

> > > > Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//

> > >

> > > > anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy

it and

> > >

> > > > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona

> > >

> > > > houses...

> > >

> > > > Love and regards,

> > >

> > > > gopi.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no

professional

> > >

> > > > interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is

essential

> > >

> > > > for survival.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > e:

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I

was

> > under

> > >

> > > > the

> > >

> > > > > > impi evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever

> > compromise

> > >

> > > > in

> > >

> > > > > > life on my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly.

May be

> > the

> > >

> > > > > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want

> > >

> > > > toproffessionalise

> > >

> > > > > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by

compromising.

> > Thissio

> > >

> > > > > > pur

> > >

> > > > > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am telling

you

> > >

> > > > > > since you have asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....

> > >

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > >

> > > > > > gopi.

> > >

> > > > > > anientt_indian_ astrology,

" msbohra62 "

> > >

> > > > > > <msbora62@> wrrote:

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > DindiGopi ji,

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.

> > >

> > > > > > wrrote:

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > an understand ab ji,

> > >

> > > > > >ur liking of " Monyyoui ance) but couwordst

> > >

> > > > > > g

> > >

> > > > > > > e reason for money matter.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Not to get Marriage is sole your decision or due to any

love

> > >

> > > > affair

> > >

> > > > > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very personal

question,it is

> > >

> > > > just

> > >

> > > > > > to satisfy my observation.

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > " gopalakrishna "

> > >

> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > Dear B

> > >

> > > > > Bohrji,

> > >

> > > > > ,

> > >

> > > > > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li

Dear B

> > >

> > > > > Bohrjere

> > >

> > > > > >> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.

> > >

> > > > > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5

> > >

> > > > > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi

> > >

> > > > > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly final authority

and

> > >

> > > > aaashi

> > >

> > > > > i

> > >

> > > > > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy

and

> > >

> > > > > > ma

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > s

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare

> > >

> > > > > > > > this is it.

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >makes

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are >

so

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where

chart

> > >

> > > > > > > > ownentYou) have good knowledge of so many field but not

the

> > >

> > > > master

> > >

> > > > > > of

> > >

> > > > > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can learn well by

only

> > >

> > > > > > > > observation only.//

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > since i am not married till date no question of

children.the

> > >

> > > > other

> > >

> > > > > > part

> > >

> > > > > > > > is corect as well!!

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Your Rahu position is verarak ikarak in this period

you have

> > >

> > > > > > ac> > ed

> > >

> > > > > > > > so many td wgll inwill in rest periods

perihu.Interestingl y in

> > >

> > > > > > Chalit

> > >

> > > > > > > >ny tr Rahu in 4th in resp perioord of 4th, in 9th s

Yog-ks

> > >

> > > > Yog-karak.

> > >

> > > > > o co> no ..meins4th

> > >

> > > > > nd Jup>

> > >

> > > > > > > >>

> > >

> > > > > > > s > /n 9ti oyourare iu are in

> > >

> > > > > o co> or ary or Ac..

> > >

> > > > > >t rel>

> > >

> > > > > ed jo>>

> > >

> > > > > > > s > /

> > >

> > > > > have oo manye ppoarenitythe ry ormoney.Your Mart relchalit

chart is

> > >

> > > > > > > > Neech in 11thh itnity to eakhat you Your Mt loin in ney

in

> > >

> > > > Lands

> > >

> > > > > > an prop

> > >

> > > > > > pr.Mirties.Might be you have invested all ready in proper

> > >

> > > > > > an nd

> > >

> > > > > > you

> > >

> > > > > > > > wis.Migt by wyou multiplication. //

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > >operts inandcounts but everything else is not....

> > >

> > > > > > > > Majority is corect .congrats. Please keep it up.....you

are

> > >

> > > > reading

> > >

> > > > > > a

> > >

> > > > > > > > blind char> warm

> > >

> > > > > > > warm regards,

> > >

> > > > > > > > gopi..

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > These are some my observation, pleaseards,

> > >

> > > > > rm the same,wh

> > >

> > > > > > mxtend

> > >

> > > > > > my

> > >

> > > > > > > > reading is right.

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > > > > > rea>

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > e:

> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy th

> > >

> > > > > > > > > s>

> > >

> > > > > > >> > > n i

> > >

> > > > > > > > > ursuro

> > >

> > > > > > > > > ururr u us way ooishna " <h i i l verery m chrery much.

> > >

> > > > > > adress

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > e i,

> > >

> > > > > > h

> > >

> > > > > > > > th

> > >

> > > > > > > >andedony andedowhw etMahwhw

> > >

> > > > > > adres.

> > >

> > > > > >.Mc ll l i i,h.eheiu to to

> > >

> > > > > > > > > u ony anhe ehe s

> > >

> > > > > Mahwhw a

> > >

> > > > > > > >r.Mc.Mc e th s ro o y iopoo yi iopore eea e alhe c>

> > >

> > > > > aeast c>

> > >

> > > > > > my2e2my> e

> > >

> > > > > > > e > e

> > >

> > > > > > h o y ioyoo yi iop

> > >

> > > > > re eea eoeaet lavl hadavhvtady2e2me> e

> > >

> > > > > >dtadb ebines>

> > >

> > > > > b si hys

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >e

> > >

> > > > > > > l o soy

> > >

> > > > > > > > > yr h

> > >

> > > > > > vt> ybehds andb ebnnem ysno no ol 5 lnd 5 l le eb.

> > >

> > > > > > > > b

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > y b.

> > >

> > > > > > > > > durdrddsfrdrds,

> > >

> > > > > >> >> > --

> > >

> > > > > --- a

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > -- a

> > >

> > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

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October 9, 2009

" Retrograde Planet but debilitated, gives results like Exalted. "

yes. this is right.

Anybody who challenges me, I can prove from the texts that this is true.

But i am not going to prove this for free. My time is valuable. Unless

good rewards are not given to me, I am not going to spend time in

proving to any fool about this.

Bhaskar.

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> This mail I too second. In fact wanted to write the same way but just

> restrained myself. in the past also some derogatory references were

made

> about Brihat Jataka and other few texts, and now about this. I do not

> understand what is going on here in this forum ? Are we the keepers of

> the ancient astrology texts and propogators of the same, or are we

here

> to create doubts about these, in the minds of the newcomers. This is

> exatly like what the missionaries are doing in india. Who is better

than

> the writers of Brihat jataka or the Phaldeepika to comment on these ?

> Some non entities who have not yet been able to prove themselves

better,

> but have been born with a mouth to shoot off rubbish about the people

on

> whose shoulders we stand on as Neelamji rightly said and which is a

true

> fact ???>

>

> Sreenadhji is much better in such matters. He does not outright negate

a

> person except not accept certain matters while accepting others in the

> same subject, which is the right attitude.

>

> But here some people are outright negating people of stature, which is

> shameful and not in proper line or taste.

>

> I request them to come with astrological pointers , instead of just

> commenting or talking rot about others sitting on a self given high

seat

> in his own bedrroom, by his servant.

>

> Bhaskar.

October 9, 2009

Deva keralam- chandrakala Nadi also says this that neecha and Vakra is equal to

a Exalted status. Now all cannot be fools, while we wise.

regards/Bhaskar.

, " utkal.panigrahi "

<utkal.panigrahi wrote:

>

> State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha, Mantreswara

should have taken care in this point.

>

> Utkal.

October 9, 2009

Dear Utkal Ji, Neelam Ji,

I completely agree with Neelam Ji on this. Also let us pause for a minute and consider this:

First Jyotish was and is primarily an Oral Tradition and NOT a written Tradition. So the "classics" are only pointers to be elaborated by the Teacher to the Student. It is not meant to be a FAQ on Jyotish, it is meant to be an "Oral Textbook". Further, let us consider this: How does an Author/Teacher try to "amplify" or "Highlight" some thing in the text in a language that does NOT have "bold types", "italics", "red coloring", "underlining", "subheadings", "paragraphs" etc? The Teacher does so by "Exaggeration". That is a very powerful Oral Tradition Tool used over and over again in Jyotish.

Hence the above statement in consideration, "might" be an exaggerated comment by the Great Teacher Mantreswar to indicate to the Student that a planet that is Neecha and Vakri will behave in a "different" way. What better way for a student to remember this than by memorizing a dictum that reads "A planet that is Neecha and Vakri will behave like an exalted planet". So "how" this planet "actually" behaves NEEDS to be learned from Mantreswar's Oral Tradition (it if exists and we have the good karma to access the same). In the absence of this direct access to that exalted tradition, the BEST we can do is to experiment and research, keeping in mind however, it can NEVER be the same as learning from an Authentic Oral Tradition where the dictum orgininated from.

Regards,

-Manoj

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 8:25:45 AMRe: Re: What is a neecha graha vakra phalam (ex: Guru)

Dear Utkal ji,//Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.//Shri Mantreshwara is one of the great seers of astrology and his work Phaldeepika is one of the most respected one.Treatment of trasits is the best here amongst the texts of that period. Overall a much coveted text.I do not think it is proper to say who should've done what for these great astrologers of the past. They are the shoulders we stand on. We neither have the learning nor the experience to comment thus.We may review various works and form our opinions after application and experiementation. We may say that we see some principle working or not working.But how can we say he should have said this or that with our limited understanding.Regarding retrogrades, there is a difference of opinion as seen from different works. In the past we've had many discussions on the topic which you may find in

the archives.There is lack of research to pin point how a retro would exactly behave. There's no difference in karkatwas being mentioned anywhere. Often the results are only applicable in transits. We need a much greater body of research and inferences to wish away what is mentioned in the classics.Just sharing my views. You may not agree.:-)RegardsNeelam

2009/10/9 utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha, Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.Utkal.

ancient_indian_ astrology, gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> Let try to understand retrograde planets.> On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,> as there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to other planets ,> it is only said that their motion is retrograde.. , but they (nodes) never behave > as retrograde planet.> The main features of retrograde planets:> 1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very> strong influence on the earth. When Mercury and Venus are> retrograde , they should not be considered as combust but as 'ASTA'> THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.> 2, As their

motion is in reverse direction when viewed from earth on account of> relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a sea change ,> as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner.> 3. With the result exalted planets becomes to hipper sensitive in behavior and > most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This condition is> termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that exalted and retrograde > Lords of Trik houses will yield to powerful results.> 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will delay the results, > and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.> 5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better results subject to the condition given in point 4 above.> > G. K. Goel> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> narsimha6@.. .

> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: What is a neecha graha vakra phalam (ex: Guru)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it give utcha phalam ? For example Guru. > > Likely utcha graha vakram ?> > Thank you > > Narasimha> > > > --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan <msbohra62@.. .> wrote:> > > > Sudan <msbohra62@.. .>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi ji,> > > > //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona houses...//> > > > The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !> > > > 8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep understanding any subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th lord are in Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa

insist me to asked the question.> > > > Where spiritual development can be see by "Vimshamsha" division chart where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury sign ,the Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with deep interest.> > > > Thanks, > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna" <gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Bohra ji,> > > i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all offended> > > and you are not capable of ofending!!> > > //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is aspecting it,in> > > Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//> > > anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H

matters destroy it and> > > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona> > > houses...> > > Love and regards,> > > gopi.> > > >> > > > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no professional> > > interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is essential> > > for survival.> > > >> > > > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.> > > >> > > > M.S.Bohra> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > e:> > > > >> > > >

> Dear Bohra ji,> > > >> > > > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I was under> > > the> > > > > impi evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever compromise> > > in> > > > > life on my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly. May be the> > > > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want> > > toproffessionalise> > > > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by compromising. Thissio> > > > > pur> > > > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am telling you> > > > > since you have asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > gopi.> > >

> > anientt_indian_ astrology, "msbohra62"> > > > > <msbora62@> wrrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > DindiGopi ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.> > > > > wrrote:> > > >> > > > an understand ab ji,> > > > >ur liking of "Monyyoui ance) but couwordst> > > > > g> > > > > > e reason for money matter.> > > > > >> > > > > > Not to get Marriage is sole your decision or due to any love> > > affair> > > > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very personal question,it is> > > just> > > > > to satisfy my

observation.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks,> > > > > >> > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear B> > > > Bohrji,> > > > ,> > > > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li Dear B> > > > Bohrjere> > > > >> >> > > > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.> > > > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5>

> > > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi> > > > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly final authority and> > > aaashi> > > > i> > > > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy and> > > > > ma> > > >> > > > s> > > > > > >> > > > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare> > > > > > > this is it.> > > > >> > > > > >makes> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are > so> > > >> > > > > > >

>> > > > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where chart> > > > > > > ownentYou) have good knowledge of so many field but not the> > > master> > > > > of> > > > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can learn well by only> > > > > > > observation only.//> > > > > > >> > > > > > > since i am not married till date no question of children.the> > > other> > > > > part> > > > > > > is corect as well!!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Your Rahu position is verarak ikarak in this period you have> > > > > ac> > ed> > > > > > > so many td wgll

inwill in rest periods perihu.Interestingl y in> > > > > Chalit> > > > > > >ny tr Rahu in 4th in resp perioord of 4th, in 9th s Yog-ks> > > Yog-karak.> > > > o co> no ..meins4th> > > > nd Jup>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > s > /n 9ti oyourare iu are in> > > > o co> or ary or Ac..> > > > >t rel>> > > > ed jo>>> > > > > > s > /> > > > have oo manye ppoarenitythe ry ormoney.Your Mart relchalit chart is> > > > > > > Neech in 11thh itnity to eakhat you Your Mt loin in ney in> > > Lands> > > > > an prop> > > > > pr.Mirties.Might be you have invested all ready in proper>

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October 9, 2009

Dear Neelam ji and Utkal ji,//I do not think it is proper to say who should've done what for

these great astrologers of the past. They are the shoulders we stand

on. We neither have the learning nor the experience to comment thus.// I completely agree to that opinion - you are absolutely right. Who are we to say, what Sage Mantreswara should have done! Earlier I heard an opinion that Gunadhya should have done more in Hora Makaranda! Not satisfied and thankful at all about the fact that we have at least that book! If Battolpal was this much egotic and orthadox towards even small contributions we may not even have the glimpse of Prashna system by now! During the period of Bhattolpala, Prashna system was just starting to evolve with the text "Shad Panchasika" (a very small, not much useful text). If Bhattolpala did not had given an extensive commentary to this work, no Prashna astrology would have been there by now; and there might not have been another similar text Arya saptami in place. Love and regards,Sreenadh , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Utkal ji,> > //Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.//> > Shri Mantreshwara is one of the great seers of astrology and his work> Phaldeepika is one of the most respected one.> Treatment of trasits is the best here amongst the texts of that period.> Overall a much coveted text.> > I do not think it is proper to say who should've done what for these great> astrologers of the past. They are the shoulders we stand on. We neither have> the learning nor the experience to comment thus.> We may review various works and form our opinions after application and> experiementation. We may say that we see some principle working or not> working.> But how can we say he should have said this or that with our limited> understanding.> > Regarding retrogrades, there is a difference of opinion as seen from> different works. In the past we've had many discussions on the topic which> you may find in the archives.> There is lack of research to pin point how a retro would exactly behave.> There's no difference in karkatwas being mentioned anywhere. Often the> results are only applicable in transits.> > We need a much greater body of research and inferences to wish away what is> mentioned in the classics.> > Just sharing my views. You may not agree.:-)> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/10/9 utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi > >> >> > State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha,> > Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.> >> > Utkal.

October 10, 2009

Like you, I can quote more texts saying " Retrograde Planet but debilitated are

equal to their exaltation " . we all have read it in clasics.

But, not by texts, but by closely watching individual's life, reading impact of

debilitated yet retro graha will make you understand,mentioned dictum needs

further study.

Better be remain at distance as trying to prove an incorrect dictum, might put

you in much loss.

Utkal.

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> " Retrograde Planet but debilitated, gives results like Exalted. "

>

> yes. this is right.

>

> Anybody who challenges me, I can prove from the texts that this is true.

> But i am not going to prove this for free. My time is valuable. Unless

> good rewards are not given to me, I am not going to spend time in

> proving to any fool about this.

>

> Bhaskar.

, " Bhaskar "

> <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > This mail I too second. In fact wanted to write the same way but just

> > restrained myself. in the past also some derogatory references were

> made

> > about Brihat Jataka and other few texts, and now about this. I do not

> > understand what is going on here in this forum ? Are we the keepers of

> > the ancient astrology texts and propogators of the same, or are we

> here

> > to create doubts about these, in the minds of the newcomers. This is

> > exatly like what the missionaries are doing in india. Who is better

> than

> > the writers of Brihat jataka or the Phaldeepika to comment on these ?

> > Some non entities who have not yet been able to prove themselves

> better,

> > but have been born with a mouth to shoot off rubbish about the people

> on

> > whose shoulders we stand on as Neelamji rightly said and which is a

> true

> > fact ???>

> >

> > Sreenadhji is much better in such matters. He does not outright negate

> a

> > person except not accept certain matters while accepting others in the

> > same subject, which is the right attitude.

> >

> > But here some people are outright negating people of stature, which is

> > shameful and not in proper line or taste.

> >

> > I request them to come with astrological pointers , instead of just

> > commenting or talking rot about others sitting on a self given high

> seat

> > in his own bedrroom, by his servant.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

>

October 10, 2009

In actual practise nobody can prove much about retrograde planets ,

except maybe timing the event which may not be possible for a normal

astrologer...

Dictums itself mean as being " Correct " . There is nothing like an

incorrect dictum. There is nothing like a evil God. God itself means

Love,

Bhaskar.

, " utkal.panigrahi "

<utkal.panigrahi wrote:

>

> Like you, I can quote more texts saying " Retrograde Planet but

debilitated are equal to their exaltation " . we all have read it in

clasics.

>

> But, not by texts, but by closely watching individual's life, reading

impact of debilitated yet retro graha will make you understand,mentioned

dictum needs further study.

>

> Better be remain at distance as trying to prove an incorrect dictum,

might put you in much loss.

>

> Utkal.

>

> , " Bhaskar "

bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > " Retrograde Planet but debilitated, gives results like Exalted. "

> >

> > yes. this is right.

> >

> > Anybody who challenges me, I can prove from the texts that this is

true.

> > But i am not going to prove this for free. My time is valuable.

Unless

> > good rewards are not given to me, I am not going to spend time in

> > proving to any fool about this.

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > This mail I too second. In fact wanted to write the same way but

just

> > > restrained myself. in the past also some derogatory references

were

> > made

> > > about Brihat Jataka and other few texts, and now about this. I do

not

> > > understand what is going on here in this forum ? Are we the

keepers of

> > > the ancient astrology texts and propogators of the same, or are we

> > here

> > > to create doubts about these, in the minds of the newcomers. This

is

> > > exatly like what the missionaries are doing in india. Who is

better

> > than

> > > the writers of Brihat jataka or the Phaldeepika to comment on

these ?

> > > Some non entities who have not yet been able to prove themselves

> > better,

> > > but have been born with a mouth to shoot off rubbish about the

people

> > on

> > > whose shoulders we stand on as Neelamji rightly said and which is

a

> > true

> > > fact ???>

> > >

> > > Sreenadhji is much better in such matters. He does not outright

negate

> > a

> > > person except not accept certain matters while accepting others in

the

> > > same subject, which is the right attitude.

> > >

> > > But here some people are outright negating people of stature,

which is

> > > shameful and not in proper line or taste.

> > >

> > > I request them to come with astrological pointers , instead of

just

> > > commenting or talking rot about others sitting on a self given

high

> > seat

> > > in his own bedrroom, by his servant.

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> >

>

October 10, 2009

Neelam Ji,

Respect to Mantreswara and his great work is intact and always in place, the emphasis is on a matter of fact, from the academic point of view, that the debilitation of retro grahas is not equal to that of exaltation, I have seen in dozens of horoscope, debilitated retro Guru has not spared natives, has put them to difficulties and hardships like debilitated and direct guru, retro debilitated guru also made them compromise for values, values that guru stands for, these natives had a tendency of embracing even those who do public offence, unless they pre calculate their own benefit, I mean such a guru made them opportunitstic and compromising.

The other myth is, cancellation of debilitation found in native chart, if, same graha is in exaltation or in own sign in navmsa, Debilitation (retro or direct) governs larger arena, higher views or values look abstract to people with debilitated grahas, like, a person with debilitated Guru w'd never lay a foundation of a system, will never make a new law etc, however, if Guru has inner strength which we find in navamsa, they do some niche or tweakikng in their domain ( even for this 9'th house and lord should have strength in native's lagna chart), however, they can get people's admiration and catch all attention for such a niche or small activity which is of high momentarily importance.

regards,Utkal

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Utkal ji,> > //Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.//> > Shri Mantreshwara is one of the great seers of astrology and his work> Phaldeepika is one of the most respected one.> Treatment of trasits is the best here amongst the texts of that period.> Overall a much coveted text.> > I do not think it is proper to say who should've done what for these great> astrologers of the past. They are the shoulders we stand on. We neither have> the learning nor the experience to comment thus.> We may review various works and form our opinions after application and> experiementation. We may say that we see some principle working or not> working.> But how can we say he should have said this or that with our limited> understanding.> > Regarding retrogrades, there is a difference of opinion as seen from> different works. In the past we've had many discussions on the topic which> you may find in the archives.> There is lack of research to pin point how a retro would exactly behave.> There's no difference in karkatwas being mentioned anywhere. Often the> results are only applicable in transits.> > We need a much greater body of research and inferences to wish away what is> mentioned in the classics.> > Just sharing my views. You may not agree.:-)> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/10/9 utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi > >> >> > State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha,> > Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.> >> > Utkal.> >> >> > <%40>,> > gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > Let try to understand retrograde planets.> > > On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,> > > as there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to other planets> > ,> > > it is only said that their motion is retrograde.., but they (nodes) never> > behave> > > as retrograde planet.> > > The main features of retrograde planets:> > > 1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very> > > strong influence on the earth. When Mercury and Venus are> > > retrograde , they should not be considered as combust but as 'ASTA'> > > THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.> > > 2, As their motion is in reverse direction when viewed from earth on> > account of> > > relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a sea> > change ,> > > as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner.> > > 3. With the result exalted planets becomes to hipper sensitive in> > behavior and> > > most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This> > condition is> > > termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that exalted and> > retrograde> > > Lords of Trik houses will yield to powerful results.> > > 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will delay> > the results,> > > and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.> > > 5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better results subject to> > the condition given in point 4 above.> > >> > > G. K. Goel> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > <%40>> > > narsimha6@> > > Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700> > > Re: What is a neecha graha vakra> > phalam (ex: Guru)> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hi> > >> > > What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it give> > utcha phalam ? For example Guru.> > >> > > Likely utcha graha vakram ?> > >> > > Thank you> > >> > > Narasimha> > >> > >> > >> > > --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan msbohra62@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Sudan msbohra62@> >> > >> > > Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee> > >> > > <%40>> > >> > > Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Gopi ji,> > >> > >> > >> > > //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and> > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona houses...//> > >> > >> > >> > > The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !> > >> > >> > >> > > 8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep understanding> > any subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th lord are in> > Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.> > >> > >> > >> > > Where spiritual development can be see by "Vimshamsha" division chart> > where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury sign ,the> > Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with deep> > interest.> > >> > >> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > >> > >> > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > <gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > > i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all offended> > >> > > > and you are not capable of ofending!!> > >> > > > //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is aspecting> > it,in> > >> > > > Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//> > >> > > > anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and> > >> > > > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona> > >> > > > houses...> > >> > > > Love and regards,> > >> > > > gopi.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no professional> > >> > > > interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is essential> > >> > > > for survival.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > e:> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I was> > under> > >> > > > the> > >> > > > > > impi evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever> > compromise> > >> > > > in> > >> > > > > > life on my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly. May be> > the> > >> > > > > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want> > >> > > > toproffessionalise> > >> > > > > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by compromising.> > Thissio> > >> > > > > > pur> > >> > > > > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am telling you> > >> > > > > > since you have asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....> > >> > > > > > Love and regards,> > >> > > > > > gopi.> > >> > > > > > anientt_indian_ astrology, "msbohra62"> > >> > > > > > <msbora62@> wrrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > DindiGopi ji,> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.> > >> > > > > > wrrote:> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > an understand ab ji,> > >> > > > > >ur liking of "Monyyoui ance) but couwordst> > >> > > > > > g> > >> > > > > > > e reason for money matter.> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Not to get Marriage is sole your decision or due to any love> > >> > > > affair> > >> > > > > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very personal question,it is> > >> > > > just> > >> > > > > > to satisfy my observation.> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Thanks,> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "gopalakrishna"> > >> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dear B> > >> > > > > Bohrji,> > >> > > > > ,> > >> > > > > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li Dear B> > >> > > > > Bohrjere> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.> > >> > > > > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5> > >> > > > > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi> > >> > > > > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly final authority and> > >> > > > aaashi> > >> > > > > i> > >> > > > > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy and> > >> > > > > > ma> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > s> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare> > >> > > > > > > > this is it.> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >makes> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are > so> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where chart> > >> > > > > > > > ownentYou) have good knowledge of so many field but not the> > >> > > > master> > >> > > > > > of> > >> > > > > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can learn well by only> > >> > > > > > > > observation only.//> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > since i am not married till date no question of children.the> > >> > > > other> > >> > > > > > part> > >> > > > > > > > is corect as well!!> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Your Rahu position is verarak ikarak in this period you have> > >> > > > > > ac> > ed> > >> > > > > > > > so many td wgll inwill in rest periods perihu.Interestingl y in> > >> > > > > > Chalit> > >> > > > > > > >ny tr Rahu in 4th in resp perioord of 4th, in 9th s Yog-ks> > >> > > > Yog-karak.> > >> > > > > o co> no ..meins4th> > >> > > > > nd Jup>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > s > /n 9ti oyourare iu are in> > >> > > > > o co> or ary or Ac..> > >> > > > > >t rel>> > >> > > > > ed jo>>> > >> > > > > > > s > /> > >> > > > > have oo manye ppoarenitythe ry ormoney.Your Mart relchalit chart is> > >> > > > > > > > Neech in 11thh itnity to eakhat you Your Mt loin in ney in> > >> > > > Lands> > >> > > > > > an prop> > >> > > > > > pr.Mirties.Might be you have invested all ready in proper> > >> > > > > > an nd> > >> > > > > > you> > >> > > > > > > > wis.Migt by wyou multiplication. //> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >operts inandcounts but everything else is not....> > >> > > > > > > > Majority is corect .congrats. 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October 10, 2009

Dear Manoj Ji,

Thanks for putting it right, I have shared my finding and understanding

in previous post to Neelam Ji.

Have a request to all : Pls don't add a heavy " Ji " to my name, I m

comfortable with " utkal " or " dear utkal " .

regards,

Utkal.

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Utkal Ji, Neelam Ji,

>

> I completely agree with Neelam Ji on this. Also let us pause for a

minute and consider this:

>

> First Jyotish was and isÂ primarily an Oral Tradition and NOT a

writtenÂ Tradition.Â So the " classics " are only pointers to be

elaborated by theÂ Teacher to the Student. It is not meantÂ to be

a FAQ on Jyotish, it is meant toÂ be an " Oral Textbook " . Further, let

us consider this: HowÂ does an Author/Teacher try to " amplify " or

" Highlight " some thing in the text in a language that does NOT haveÂ

" bold types " ,Â " italics " , " red coloring " , " underlining " ,

" subheadings " , " paragraphs " etc? The Teacher does so by " Exaggeration " .

That is a very powerful Oral Tradition Tool used over and over again in

Jyotish.Â

>

> Hence the above statement in consideration, " might " be anÂ

exaggerated comment by the GreatÂ Teacher Mantreswar to indicate to

the Student thatÂ a planet that is Neecha and Vakri will behave in a

" different " way. What better way for a student toÂ remember this than

by memorizing a dictum that reads " A planet that is Neecha and Vakri

will behave like an exalted planet " . So " how " this planet " actually " Â

behaves NEEDS to be learned fromÂ Mantreswar's Oral Tradition (it if

exists and we have the good karma to access the same). In the absence of

this direct access to that exalted tradition, the BEST we can do is to

experiment and research, keeping in mind however, it can NEVER be the

same as learning from an Authentic Oral Tradition where the dictum

orgininated from.

> Â

> Regards,

> Â -Manoj

> Â

>

> ________________________________

> neelam gupta neelamgupta07

>

> Fri, October 9, 2009 8:25:45 AM

> Re: Re: What is a neecha graha

vakra phalam (ex: Guru)

>

> Â

> Dear Utkal ji,

>

> //Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.//

>

> Shri Mantreshwara is one of the great seers of astrology and his work

Phaldeepika is one of the most respected one.

> Treatment of trasits is the best here amongst the texts of that

period. Overall a much coveted text.

>

> I do not think it is proper to say who should've done what for these

great astrologers of the past. They are the shoulders we stand on. We

neither have the learning nor the experience to comment thus.

> We may review various works and form our opinions after application

and experiementation. We may say that we see some principle working or

not working.

> But how can we say he should have said this or that with our limited

understanding.

>

> Regarding retrogrades, there is a difference of opinion as seen from

different works. In the past we've had many discussions on the topic

which you may find in the archives.

> There is lack of research to pin point how a retro would exactly

behave. There's no difference in karkatwas being mentioned anywhere.

Often the results are only applicable in transits.

>

> We need a much greater body of research and inferences to wish away

what is mentioned in the classics.

>

> Just sharing my views. You may not agree.:-)

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

> 2009/10/9 utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

>

> Â

> >State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha,

Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.

> >

> >Utkal.

> >

> >ancient_indian_ astrology, gopal krishna

goel g.k.goel@ wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Friends,

> >> Let try to understand retrograde planets.

> >> On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,

> >> as there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to other

planets ,

> >> it is only said that their motion is retrograde.. , but they

(nodes) never behave

> >> as retrograde planet.

> >> The main features of retrograde planets:

> >> 1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very

> >> strong influence on the earth. When Mercury and Venus are

> >> retrograde , they should not be considered as combust but as 'ASTA'

> >> THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.

> >> 2, As their motion is in reverse direction when viewed from earth

on account of

> >> relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a

sea change ,

> >> as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner.

> >> 3. With the result exalted planets becomes to hipper sensitive in

behavior and

> >> most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This

condition is

> >> termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that

exalted and retrograde

> >> Lords of Trik houses will yield to powerful results.

> >> 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will

delay the results,

> >> and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.

> >> 5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better results

subject to the condition given in point 4 above.

> >>

> >> G. K. Goel

> >>

> >> ancient_indian_ astrology

> >> narsimha6@ .

> >

> >> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700

> >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: What is a neecha graha

vakra phalam (ex: Guru)

> >>

> >> Hi

> >>

> >> What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it

give utcha phalam ? For example Guru.

> >>

> >> Likely utcha graha vakram ?

> >>

> >> Thank you

> >>

> >> Narasimha

> >>

> >> --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan msbohra62@ .> wrote:

> >>

> >> Sudan msbohra62@ .>

> >

> >>

> >> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear

Gopi Jee

> >>

> >> ancient_indian_ astrology

> >>

> >> Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM

> >>

> >> Dear Gopi ji,

> >>

> >> //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy

it and lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona

houses...//

> >>

> >> The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !

> >>

> >> 8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep

understanding any subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and

7th lord are in Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the

question.

> >>

> >> Where spiritual development can be see by " Vimshamsha " division

chart where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury

sign ,the Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with

deep interest.

> >>

> >> Thanks,

> >>

> >> M.S.Bohra

> >>

> >> ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna "

<gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:

> >>

> >> >

> >>

> >> > Dear Bohra ji,

> >>

> >> > i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all

offended

> >>

> >> > and you are not capable of ofending!!

> >>

> >> > //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is

aspecting it,in

> >>

> >> > Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//

> >>

> >> > anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy

it and

> >>

> >> > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona

> >>

> >> > houses...

> >>

> >> > Love and regards,

> >>

> >> > gopi.

> >>

> >> > >

> >>

> >> > > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no

professional

> >>

> >> > interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is

essential

> >>

> >> > for survival.

> >>

> >> > >

> >>

> >> > > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.

> >>

> >> > >

> >>

> >> > > M.S.Bohra

> >>

> >> > >

> >>

> >> > >

> >>

> >> > >

> >>

> >> > >

> >>

> >> > >

> >>

> >> > >

> >>

> >> > >

> >>

> >> > >

> >>

> >> > >

> >>

> >> > > e:

> >>

> >> > > >

> >>

> >> > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> >>

> >> > >

> >>

> >> > > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I

was under

> >>

> >> > the

> >>

> >> > > > impi evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever

compromise

> >>

> >> > in

> >>

> >> > > > life on my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly.

May be the

> >>

> >> > > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want

> >>

> >> > toproffessionalise

> >>

> >> > > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by compromising.

Thissio

> >>

> >> > > > pur

> >>

> >> > > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am telling

you

> >>

> >> > > > since you have asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....

> >>

> >> > > > Love and regards,

> >>

> >> > > > gopi.

> >>

> >> > > > anientt_indian_ astrology,

" msbohra62 "

> >>

> >> > > > <msbora62@> wrrote:

> >>

> >> > > > >

> >>

> >> > > > > DindiGopi ji,

> >>

> >> > > > >

> >>

> >> > > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.

> >>

> >> > > > wrrote:

> >>

> >> > >

> >>

> >> > > an understand ab ji,

> >>

> >> > > >ur liking of " Monyyoui ance) but couwordst

> >>

> >> > > > g

> >>

> >> > > > > e reason for money matter.

> >>

> >> > > > >

> >>

> >> > > > > Not to get Marriage is sole your decision or due to any

love

> >>

> >> > affair

> >>

> >> > > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very personal

question,it is

> >>

> >> > just

> >>

> >> > > > to satisfy my observation.

> >>

> >> > > > >

> >>

> >> > > > > Thanks,

> >>

> >> > > > >

> >>

> >> > > > > M.S.Bohra

> >>

> >> > > > >

> >>

> >> > > > >

> >>

> >> > > > >

> >>

> >> > > > >

> >>

> >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" gopalakrishna "

> >>

> >> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> >>

> >> > > > >

> >>

> >> > > > > > Dear B

> >>

> >> > > Bohrji,

> >>

> >> > > ,

> >>

> >> > > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li Dear

B

> >>

> >> > > Bohrjere

> >>

> >> > > >> >

> >>

> >> > > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.

> >>

> >> > > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5

> >>

> >> > > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi

> >>

> >> > > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly final authority

and

> >>

> >> > aaashi

> >>

> >> > > i

> >>

> >> > > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy

and

> >>

> >> > > > ma

> >>

> >> > >

> >>

> >> > > s

> >>

> >> > > > > >

> >>

> >> > > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare

> >>

> >> > > > > > this is it.

> >>

> >> > > >

> >>

> >> > > > >makes

> >>

> >> > > >

> >>

> >> > > >

> >>

> >> > > > > > >

> >>

> >> > > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are >

so

> >>

> >> > >

> >>

> >> > > > > > >

> >>

> >> > > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where

chart

> >>

> >> > > > > > ownentYou) have good knowledge of so many field but not

the

> >>

> >> > master

> >>

> >> > > > of

> >>

> >> > > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can learn well by

only

> >>

> >> > > > > > observation only.//

> >>

> >> > > > > >

> >>

> >> > > > > > since i am not married till date no question of

children.the

> >>

> >> > other

> >>

> >> > > > part

> >>

> >> > > > > > is corect as well!!

> >>

> >> > > > > > >

> >>

> >> > > > > > > Your Rahu position is verarak ikarak in this period you

have

> >>

> >> > > > ac> > ed

> >>

> >> > > > > > so many td wgll inwill in rest periods

perihu.Interestingl y in

> >>

> >> > > > Chalit

> >>

> >> > > > > >ny tr Rahu in 4th in resp perioord of 4th, in 9th s Yog-ks

> >>

> >> > Yog-karak.

> >>

> >> > > o co> no ..meins4th

> >>

> >> > > nd Jup>

> >>

> >> > > > > >>

> >>

> >> > > > > s > /n 9ti oyourare iu are in

> >>

> >> > > o co> or ary or Ac..

> >>

> >> > > >t rel>

> >>

> >> > > ed jo>>

> >>

> >> > > > > s > /

> >>

> >> > > have oo manye ppoarenitythe ry ormoney.Your Mart relchalit

chart is

> >>

> >> > > > > > Neech in 11thh itnity to eakhat you Your Mt loin in ney

in

> >>

> >> > Lands

> >>

> >> > > > an prop

> >>

> >> > > > pr.Mirties.Might be you have invested all ready in proper

> >>

> >> > > > an nd

> >>

> >> > > > you

> >>

> >> > > > > > wis.Migt by wyou multiplication. //

> >>

> >> > > > > >

> >>

> >> > > > > >operts inandcounts but everything else is not....

> >>

> >> > > > > > Majority is corect .congrats. Please keep it up.....you

are

> >>

> >> > reading

> >>

> >> > > > a

> >>

> >> > > > > > blind char> warm

> >>

> >> > > > > warm regards,

> >>

> >> > > > > > gopi..

> >>

> >> > > > > > >

> >>

> >> > > > > > > These are some my observation, pleaseards,

> >>

> >> > > rm the same,wh

> >>

> >> > > > mxtend

> >>

> >> > > > my

> >>

> >> > > > > > reading is right.

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October 10, 2009

Dear Utkal ji,I agree with you. A debilitated planet would behave like debilitated only. Perhaps the word NEECHA explains it better. A debilitated retrograde would be like a strong NEECHA or a stubborn NEECHA in a way. It cannot become and behave like an exalted planet technically.

But you would agree that there are many layers through which astrology unfolds. e.g a debilitated planet would give differeent results at physical, mental and spiritual level. Let us take the example of Obama's chart. He has a debilitated retro Guru. There is also a neech bhang. Guru dasha has been most happening in his life.

Here we may see the working of a Neecha Jupiter, a retro Jupiter and how a neecha retro guru gave him an exalted status. A neech bhang as well.As Manoj ji said, and I agree with him, shastras having come from an oral tradition have lost important nuances and if we apply them literally, we might go terribly wrong. At the same time we cannot say what has been written was wrong.

I always stick to one principle which I has been made very clear to me by my gurus. That there is nothing in the horoscope which is redundant or without purpose. Though it gets modified by various associations and influences!

RegardsNeelam2009/10/10 utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi

Neelam Ji,

Respect to Mantreswara and his great work is intact and always in place, the emphasis is on a matter of fact, from the academic point of view, that the debilitation of retro grahas is not equal to that of exaltation, I have seen in dozens of horoscope, debilitated retro Guru has not spared natives, has put them to difficulties and hardships like debilitated and direct guru, retro debilitated guru also made them compromise for values, values that guru stands for, these natives had a tendency of embracing even those who do public offence, unless they pre calculate their own benefit, I mean such a guru made them opportunitstic and compromising.

The other myth is, cancellation of debilitation found in native chart, if, same graha is in exaltation or in own sign in navmsa, Debilitation (retro or direct) governs larger arena, higher views or values look abstract to people with debilitated grahas, like, a person with debilitated Guru w'd never lay a foundation of a system, will never make a new law etc, however, if Guru has inner strength which we find in navamsa, they do some niche or tweakikng in their domain ( even for this 9'th house and lord should have strength in native's lagna chart), however, they can get people's admiration and catch all attention for such a niche or small activity which is of high momentarily importance.

regards,Utkal

, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>

> Dear Utkal ji,> > //Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.//> > Shri Mantreshwara is one of the great seers of astrology and his work> Phaldeepika is one of the most respected one.

> Treatment of trasits is the best here amongst the texts of that period.> Overall a much coveted text.> > I do not think it is proper to say who should've done what for these great> astrologers of the past. They are the shoulders we stand on. We neither have

> the learning nor the experience to comment thus.> We may review various works and form our opinions after application and> experiementation. We may say that we see some principle working or not> working.

> But how can we say he should have said this or that with our limited> understanding.> > Regarding retrogrades, there is a difference of opinion as seen from> different works. In the past we've had many discussions on the topic which

> you may find in the archives.> There is lack of research to pin point how a retro would exactly behave.> There's no difference in karkatwas being mentioned anywhere. Often the> results are only applicable in transits.

> > We need a much greater body of research and inferences to wish away what is> mentioned in the classics.> > Just sharing my views. You may not agree.:-)> > Regards> Neelam

> > > 2009/10/9 utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi > >> >> > State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha,> > Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.

> >> > Utkal.> >> >> > <%40>,

> > gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > Let try to understand retrograde planets.> > > On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,

> > > as there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to other planets> > ,> > > it is only said that their motion is retrograde.., but they (nodes) never> > behave> > > as retrograde planet.

> > > The main features of retrograde planets:> > > 1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very> > > strong influence on the earth. When Mercury and Venus are> > > retrograde , they should not be considered as combust but as 'ASTA'

> > > THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.> > > 2, As their motion is in reverse direction when viewed from earth on> > account of> > > relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a sea

> > change ,> > > as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner.> > > 3. With the result exalted planets becomes to hipper sensitive in> > behavior and> > > most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This

> > condition is> > > termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that exalted and> > retrograde> > > Lords of Trik houses will yield to powerful results.> > > 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will delay

> > the results,> > > and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.> > > 5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better results subject to> > the condition given in point 4 above.

> > >> > > G. K. Goel> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > <%40>

> > > narsimha6@> > > Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700> > > Re: What is a neecha graha vakra> > phalam (ex: Guru)> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hi> > >> > > What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it give

> > utcha phalam ? For example Guru.> > >> > > Likely utcha graha vakram ?> > >> > > Thank you> > >> > > Narasimha> > >> > >

> > >> > > --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan msbohra62@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Sudan msbohra62@> >> > >> > > Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee

> > >> > > <%40>

> > >> > > Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > > Dear Gopi ji,> > >> > >> > >> > > //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and> > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona houses...//

> > >> > >> > >> > > The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !> > >> > >> > >> > > 8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep understanding

> > any subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th lord are in> > Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.> > >> > >> > >> > > Where spiritual development can be see by " Vimshamsha " division chart

> > where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury sign ,the> > Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with deep> > interest.> > >> > >

> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > >> > >> > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " gopalakrishna "

> > <gopi_b927@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > > i dont know why you think like this any way i was not at all offended

> > >> > > > and you are not capable of ofending!!> > >> > > > //It was because 5th lord in 2nd and 7th lord Jupiter is aspecting> > it,in> > >

> > > > Navamasa 5th,7th lord are together in 8th house.//> > >> > > > anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and> > >> > > > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona

> > >> > > > houses...> > >> > > > Love and regards,> > >> > > > gopi.> > >> > > > >> > >

> > > > > I respect for your ethics,i also follow the same,no professional> > >> > > > interest in Astrology.Not running after money where money is essential> > >

> > > > for survival.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Thanks to reply ,once again excuse me for personal question.> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > e:> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > >> > > > >> > >

> > > > > > i evver had inclination/ desire e<gopor marriage or love.I was> > under> > >> > > > the> > >> > > > > > impi evvor it was a natioomise(even now)I will never/ever

> > compromise> > >> > > > in> > >> > > > > > life on my own.I just walked out of jobs uncompromisingly. May be> > the> > >> > > > > > reason for financial situation.Even now i dont want

> > >> > > > toproffessionalise> > >> > > > > > my knowledge and make money out of astrology by compromising.> > Thissio> > >> > > > > > pur

> > >> > > > > > my knowledge anobody can get offended in anyway.I am telling you> > >> > > > > > since you have asked for it as a well wisher/friend. ....

> > >> > > > > > Love and regards,> > >> > > > > > gopi.> > >> > > > > > anientt_indian_ astrology, " msbohra62 "

> > >> > > > > > <msbora62@> wrrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > DindiGopi ji,> > >

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Thans foo yyour appreciation words.> > >> > > > > > wrrote:> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > an understand ab ji,> > >> > > > > >ur liking of " Monyyoui ance) but couwordst> > >> > > > > > g> > >

> > > > > > > e reason for money matter.> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Not to get Marriage is sole your decision or due to any love

> > >> > > > affair> > >> > > > > > ?Please excuse me if I am asking you very personal question,it is> > >> > > > just> > >

> > > > > > to satisfy my observation.> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Thanks,> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > " gopalakrishna " > > >

> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dear B> > >> > > > > Bohrji,

> > >> > > > > ,> > >> > > > > > > > this is something. You hithe b llll's eye.I would li Dear B> > >> > > > > Bohrjere

> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > > > > > how did you get the below mell's ed.> > >> > > > > > > > // Dear Gopi ji, Rahu in 5

> > >> > > > > > > h low did in Vargotam Uchchahaashihi> > >> > > > > > > > esese all makeaman who bebieve i onlyly final authority and> > >

> > > > aaashi> > >> > > > > i> > >> > > > > > > > nts t ahi mthereal targbebieve wa onlyly final onventioy and> > >> > > > > > ma

> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > s> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >s to hir waereal their own experiencesare

> > >> > > > > > > > this is it.> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >makes> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > //5th hwn experiences. /dren also so their child are > so

> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > conventional and well educated in a specialty of filed where chart

> > >> > > > > > > > ownentYou) have good knowledge of so many field but not the> > >> > > > master> > >> > > > > > of

> > >> > > > > > > > any field.Technically you are good,you can learn well by only> > >> > > > > > > > observation only.//> > >

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > since i am not married till date no question of children.the> > >> > > > other> > >

> > > > > > part> > >> > > > > > > > is corect as well!!> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Your Rahu position is verarak ikarak in this period you have

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> > >> > > > Lands> > >> > > > > > an prop> > >> > > > > > pr.Mirties.Might be you have invested all ready in proper> > >

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> > >> > > > > > > >operts inandcounts but everything else is not....> > >> > > > > > > > Majority is corect .congrats. Please keep it up.....you are

> > >> > > > reading> > >> > > > > > a> > >> > > > > > > > blind char> warm> > >> > > > > > > warm regards,

> > >> > > > > > > > gopi..> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > These are some my observation, pleaseards,

> > >> > > > > rm the same,wh> > >> > > > > > mxtend> > >> > > > > > my> > >> > > > > > > > reading is right.

> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks,> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > > > > > rea>> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > e:> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy th

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October 10, 2009

Thanks a lot, thanks to Manoj Ji also, I do not have Obma's birth data,

pls favor me with his birth data that you are using.

regards,

Utkal.

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Utkal ji,

>

> I agree with you. A debilitated planet would behave like debilitated

only.

> Perhaps the word NEECHA explains it better.

> A debilitated retrograde would be like a strong NEECHA or a stubborn

NEECHA

> in a way. It cannot become and behave like an exalted planet

technically.

> But you would agree that there are many layers through which astrology

> unfolds. e.g a debilitated planet would give differeent results at

physical,

> mental and spiritual level.

>

> Let us take the example of Obama's chart. He has a debilitated retro

Guru.

> There is also a neech bhang. Guru dasha has been most happening in his

life.

> Here we may see the working of a Neecha Jupiter, a retro Jupiter and

how a

> neecha retro guru gave him an exalted status. A neech bhang as well.

>

> As Manoj ji said, and I agree with him, shastras having come from an

oral

> tradition have lost important nuances and if we apply them literally,

we

> might go terribly wrong. At the same time we cannot say what has been

> written was wrong.

>

> I always stick to one principle which I has been made very clear to me

by my

> gurus. That there is nothing in the horoscope which is redundant or

without

> purpose. Though it gets modified by various associations and

influences!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

October 10, 2009

Dear Utkal ji,I have been using 4.8.1961/13.06/Honolulu for Barack Obama which gives him labra lagna.Some successful predictions were made about his becoming President in this group itself. You may check the archive.

Col Gour, an eminent faculty member of BVB has given predictions on this chart which you may find on JOA website.http://www.journalofastrology.com/article.php?article_id=249

Later some data was floated on the internet, just before the elections which gave him Makar lagna. You may check for yourself and compare. For the purpose of this thread, both the data still give him a neecha, retro jupiter in kendra and Jupiter's mahadasha from 1998.

RegardsNeelam2009/10/10 utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi

Thanks a lot, thanks to Manoj Ji also, I do not have Obma's birth data,

pls favor me with his birth data that you are using.

regards,

Utkal.

, neelam gupta

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Utkal ji,

>

> I agree with you. A debilitated planet would behave like debilitated

only.

> Perhaps the word NEECHA explains it better.

> A debilitated retrograde would be like a strong NEECHA or a stubborn

NEECHA

> in a way. It cannot become and behave like an exalted planet

technically.

> But you would agree that there are many layers through which astrology

> unfolds. e.g a debilitated planet would give differeent results at

physical,

> mental and spiritual level.

>

> Let us take the example of Obama's chart. He has a debilitated retro

Guru.

> There is also a neech bhang. Guru dasha has been most happening in his

life.

> Here we may see the working of a Neecha Jupiter, a retro Jupiter and

how a

> neecha retro guru gave him an exalted status. A neech bhang as well.

>

> As Manoj ji said, and I agree with him, shastras having come from an

oral

> tradition have lost important nuances and if we apply them literally,

we

> might go terribly wrong. At the same time we cannot say what has been

> written was wrong.

>

> I always stick to one principle which I has been made very clear to me

by my

> gurus. That there is nothing in the horoscope which is redundant or

without

> purpose. Though it gets modified by various associations and

influences!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

October 11, 2009

congratulations Neelamji, you have made the matter so clear and with such perfect example, there is no more any room for any doubts.regards, Anita--- On Sat, 10/10/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: What is a neecha graha vakra phalam (ex: Guru) Date: Saturday, 10 October, 2009, 6:58 AM

Dear Utkal ji,I agree with you. A debilitated planet would behave like debilitated only. Perhaps the word NEECHA explains it better. A debilitated retrograde would be like a strong NEECHA or a stubborn NEECHA in a way. It cannot become and behave like an exalted planet technically.

But you would agree that there are many layers through which astrology unfolds. e.g a debilitated planet would give differeent results at physical, mental and spiritual level. Let us take the example of Obama's chart. He has a debilitated retro Guru. There is also a neech bhang. Guru dasha has been most happening in his life.

Here we may see the working of a Neecha Jupiter, a retro Jupiter and how a neecha retro guru gave him an exalted status. A neech bhang as well.As Manoj ji said, and I agree with him, shastras having come from an oral tradition have lost important nuances and if we apply them literally, we might go terribly wrong. At the same time we cannot say what has been written was wrong.

I always stick to one principle which I has been made very clear to me by my gurus. That there is nothing in the horoscope which is redundant or without purpose. Though it gets modified by various associations and influences!

RegardsNeelam2009/10/10 utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ >

Neelam Ji,

Respect to Mantreswara and his great work is intact and always in place, the emphasis is on a matter of fact, from the academic point of view, that the debilitation of retro grahas is not equal to that of exaltation, I have seen in dozens of horoscope, debilitated retro Guru has not spared natives, has put them to difficulties and hardships like debilitated and direct guru, retro debilitated guru also made them compromise for values, values that guru stands for, these natives had a tendency of embracing even those who do public offence, unless they pre calculate their own benefit, I mean such a guru made them opportunitstic and compromising.

The other myth is, cancellation of debilitation found in native chart, if, same graha is in exaltation or in own sign in navmsa, Debilitation (retro or direct) governs larger arena, higher views or values look abstract to people with debilitated grahas, like, a person with debilitated Guru w'd never lay a foundation of a system, will never make a new law etc, however, if Guru has inner strength which we find in navamsa, they do some niche or tweakikng in their domain ( even for this 9'th house and lord should have strength in native's lagna chart), however, they can get people's admiration and catch all attention for such a niche or small activity which is of high momentarily importance.

regards,Utkal

ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>

> Dear Utkal ji,> > //Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.//> > Shri Mantreshwara is one of the great seers of astrology and his work> Phaldeepika is one of the most respected one.

> Treatment of trasits is the best here amongst the texts of that period.> Overall a much coveted text.> > I do not think it is proper to say who should've done what for these great> astrologers of the past. They are the shoulders we stand on. We neither have

> the learning nor the experience to comment thus.> We may review various works and form our opinions after application and> experiementation. We may say that we see some principle working or not> working.

> But how can we say he should have said this or that with our limited> understanding.> > Regarding retrogrades, there is a difference of opinion as seen from> different works. In the past we've had many discussions on the topic which

> you may find in the archives.> There is lack of research to pin point how a retro would exactly behave.> There's no difference in karkatwas being mentioned anywhere. Often the> results are only applicable in transits.

> > We need a much greater body of research and inferences to wish away what is> mentioned in the classics.> > Just sharing my views. You may not agree.:-)> > Regards> Neelam

> > > 2009/10/9 utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > >> >> > State of being Neecha and Vakri is not equal to State of Uchaha,> > Mantreswara should have taken care in this point.

> >> > Utkal.> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>,

> > gopal krishna goel g.k.goel@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > Let try to understand retrograde planets.> > > On the out set I may clarify that mean nodes are never retrograde,

> > > as there normal motion is in reverse direction compared to other planets> > ,> > > it is only said that their motion is retrograde.. , but they (nodes) never> > behave> > > as retrograde planet.

> > > The main features of retrograde planets:> > > 1. They are very near to earth and thus exerts very> > > strong influence on the earth. When Mercury and Venus are> > > retrograde , they should not be considered as combust but as 'ASTA'

> > > THAT IS NOT VISIBLE DUE TO NEARNESS OF sun.> > > 2, As their motion is in reverse direction when viewed from earth on> > account of> > > relative motion , the attitude and behavior of planet under go a sea

> > change ,> > > as such planets assert their influence in disproportionate manner.> > > 3. With the result exalted planets becomes to hipper sensitive in> > behavior and> > > most of time does not yield to good or auspicious results . This

> > condition is> > > termed for comparison purposes only.This would not mean that exalted and> > retrograde> > > Lords of Trik houses will yield to powerful results.> > > 4. The retrograde planets in own houses , if natural benefic will delay

> > the results,> > > and malefics will involve the person in unproductive activities.> > > 5. Retrograde planets in debility will yield to better results subject to> > the condition given in point 4 above.

> > >> > > G. K. Goel> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>

> > > narsimha6@> > > Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:09:46 -0700> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: What is a neecha graha vakra> > phalam (ex: Guru)> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Hi> > >> > > What will be the phalam or result of neecha graha vakram. will it give

> > utcha phalam ? For example Guru.> > >> > > Likely utcha graha vakram ?> > >> > > Thank you> > >> > > Narasimha> > >> > >

> > >> > > --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Sudan msbohra62@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Sudan msbohra62@> >> > >> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Neechabanga Rajyoga-dear Gopi Jee

> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology%40. com>

> > >> > > Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:43 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > > Dear Gopi ji,> > >> > >> > >> > > //anyway even if anything like that is there 8th H matters destroy it and> > lead one to moksha since 8th house is one of the moksha trikona houses...//

> > >> > >> > >> > > The same i have observed and asked you that personal question !> > >> > >> > >> > > 8th house is for transformation, a deep knowledge,a deep understanding

> > any subject,a root cause of any transformation. So 5th and 7th lord are in> > Yukti in 8th house of Navmansa insist me to asked the question.> > >> > >> > >> > > Where spiritual development can be see by "Vimshamsha" division chart

> > where you have Jupiter and Rahu together in 8th house in Mercury sign ,the> > Lagana lord Rashi.So you are in search of mysterious word with deep> > interest.> > >> > >

> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > >> > >> > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"