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--- On Sat, 9/26/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya[vedic astrology] Re: [ind-Arch] Fw: Re: Dating of Ramayana PeriodIndiaArchaeology Cc: , vedic astrology , vedic_research_institute , WAVES-Vedic , USBrahmins Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 6:28 PM

 

 

Dear friends,

 

Jai Shri Ram,

 

When Shri Ram was born in Ayodhya at the noon-time there were places on the earth at some longitude where the Sun was rising. I already told that Ascendent is also called the "Rising Sun". I wrote the the phrase "Rising Sun" so that one who knows the western astrology will be able to appreciate that Lagna is nothing but the "Rising Sun", which they use. Shri Ramji was born in Ayodhya at noon time and the Sun was rising at that time on some places (with particular longitude on the earth) in the Karkata rashi and thus the Lagna of Shri Ramji is Karkata. As these things are beyond the comprehension of Shri Kaul he should leave these things alone. These are for the people who know astrology. Now, friends, you can well understand why Shri kaul hates astrology. he could not master even the "abc"of astrology.

 

Bharata was born in Mina lagna as stated in that verse and as I have shown he was born after 14 hours as there are 7 rashis between Karakata and Mina. But with zero knowledge oif astrology Shri Kaul will not understand that.

 

It is real Kaliyuga as the People like Shri Kaulji, who does not understand astrologucal data, are dabbling at it to discredit the Ramayana, Even if the Balakanda has been interpolated it has been done by a great rishi of the stature of Valmiki otherwise the people would not have allowed it stay amalgamated with the other middle kandas of the Ramayana for centuries. Only a man with common sense can understand this.

 

Jai Shri Ram

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

--- On Sat, 9/26/09, jyotirved <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote:

 

jyotirved <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com>

[ind-Arch] Fw: Re: Dating of Ramayana Period

indiaarchaeology

Saturday, September 26, 2009, 6:44 AM

 

 

 

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Saturday, September 26, 2009 7:08 PM

Fw: Re: Dating of Ramayana Period

 

 

 

Dear friends,

Jai Shri Ram,

Shri Bhattacharjya has said, "Now you can see for yourself that the original

Sanskrit verse says that Bharata was born in Pushya nakshatra (ie. the Moon was

in the Pushya nakshatra) and the

lagna (or the Ascendent also

called the rising Sun) was in Mina (Pisces), ie. the Sun rose on that

day in Mina........ .."

 

If Shri Bhattacfharjya, being himself a jyotishi--- apraoksya as well as

parokshya--- says, "the sun rose on that day in Mina" it naturally means that

Bharata was born with the sun in Mina! The sun of Shri Ram, as per the

same Bhattacharjya- aparokshya as well as parokshya jyotishi---was in

Mesha! Obviously, Bharata was either younger than Shri Ram by at least

eleven months or elder than Him at least by one day--since the sun does not move

backwards like Rahu, from Mesha to Mina--but from Mina to Mesha! Or maybe

Bhattacharjya Sun does move even backwards, since if Bhattacharjya Ram can be

born in impossible astronomical combinations, when there were no Mesha etc.

rashis around in the whole world, what power can prevent the

Bhattacharjya sun to go retrograde! After all, "Vedic astrologers"

are more omnipotent than even Parabrahma, since they can "create" and "destroy"

even divine incarnations whenever it pleases them!

Then again, if the sun of the sons of Sumitra was "kuleere abyudite ravav",

why is Shri Bhattacharjya so adamant that it could not mean that the sun of

Shatrugana and Lakshama was in karkata!

It is surprising that on the one hand Shri Bhattacharjya has himself admitted

that the Balakanda and Uttarakanda of the Ramayana, which contain

astrological details of the charts of Shri Ram and his

siblings, are concoctions by someone other than than Valmiki,

since that "adulterator" has said that Shri Ram ruled for eleven

thousand years, which does not gell with the views of "Vedic astrologers" ,

but the same Shri Bhattacharjya jyotishi is fighting tooth and nail to

prove those very concoctions by some good for nothng jyotishi to be

correct, just because they contain some impossible astronomical

combinatoins!

Kaliyuga, after all!

Jai Shri Ram

A K Kaul

With regards,

A K Kaul

 

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> --- On Mon, 9/21/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya

sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

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Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:

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Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya

> Re: Dating of

Ramayana Period

> USBrahmins@gro ups.com

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WAVES-Vedic

> Monday, September 21, 2009, 9:40

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> Dear

friends,

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> Further to my mail I wish to bring to your

notice that my friend Shri Kaulji has raised doubt about

Bharata's birth on the day following the day of Lord Rama's birth.and he

quoted a translation of the Ramayana verse 1-18-15. That translation,

which he says he took from the Gita press edition of the Valmiki

Ramayana, is patently wrong as you can see for yourself, if you look at the

original verse, which I am giving below for your ready reference. Shri

Kaulji just copied the wrong translation from that book,

without caring to check whether the translation was correct or

not.

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> The wrong translation was

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> "Bharata of cheerful mind was born when the constellation Pushya

was in the ascendent and the Sun had entered the sign of Pisces, while the twin

sons of Sumitra wereborn when the constellation Ashlesha was in ascendent and

theSun hasreached the meridian touching the Zodiacal sign of karkata ie.

cancer.

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> The relevant original verse is as follows :

 

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> puShye jaataH tu bharato mIna lagne prasanna dhIH

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> saarpe jaatau tu saumitrI kuLIre abhyudite ravau ||

1-18-15

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> Now you can see for yourself that the

original Sanskrit verse says that Bharata was born in Pushya nakshatra (ie. the

Moon was in the Pushya nakshatra) and the lagna (or the Ascendent also

called the rising Sun) was in Mina (Pisces), ie. the Sun rose on that

day in Mina. As Lord Rama was born in Punarvasu nakshatra and his Lagna was

Karkata (cancer) it took 14 hours (+) for the Lagna to be in Mina

ie. for the Sun to rise in Mina (Pisces) when Bharata was born and by

that time the Moon also had reached the Pushya nakshatra. The twin Lakshmana and

Shatrughna were born in the Ashlesha nakshatra (the Nakshatra ruled by sarpa)

when the Sun rose in the (next) morning.

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so because the Lagna remains in one sign only for two hours and

thus in the geocentric model it takes 7 X 2 = 14 hours for the Sun to traverse

the

7 intermediate

signs between Cancer and Pisces, which are : Leo

(Simha). Virgo (Kanya), Libra (Tula), Scorpio (Vrischik) , Dhanu (Saggittarius) ,

Makar (Capricorn) and Kumbha (Aquarius).

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hope Shri Kaulji will take proper care in futuere to check such wrong

translations by referring to the original sanskrit verse.

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I wish to bring to your notice another important point about the dating of

Ramayana by Dr. P.V.Vartak. He took the precessional data from the five

middle kandas of Ramayana to show that Lord Rama was born around 7300 BCE.

So, irrespective of whether the Bala kanda and the Uttara kanda are interpolated

or not, one need not have any apprehension about the date of Lord Rama in the

74th century BCE.

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> Regards,

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> Sunil

K. Bhattacharjya

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