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Dear friends,All astrologers know that Ascendant ot Lagna is connected to the Sun and the Nakshatra to the Moon. It is clearly written in the Sanskrit verse in the Ramayana regarding the birth of Bharata as "Mina Lagne", which means the Lagna or Ascendent at the time of Bharata's birth was Mina or Pisces and the Moon was in Pushya Due to utter ignorance of astrology Shri Krishen had quoted the following wrong statement from the website of Robert Briggs, who is also ignorant of the nuances of astrology. Only an person ignorant in astrology will go by this wrtong translation. Giving the website in very big font has no meaning. Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Sun, 9/27/09, Krishen <jyotirved wrote:Krishen <jyotirved[VRI] [ind-Arch] Fw: Re: Dating of Ramayana Periodvedic_research_institute Date: Sunday, September 27, 2009, 2:25 AM

 

 

 

 

 

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Ramayana: Bala-kanda

CHAPTER 18

Birth of Rama, Bharata, Lakshmana and Shatrughna

When the horse sacrifice and the sacrifice for procuring a son were concluded, the immortal demigods took their share of the offerings and departed as they had come. Having completed the period of consecration, accompanied by his wives, King Dasharatha entered the city with his servants and soldiers. Having been appropriately honored by the king, the monarchs of the world were satisfied and, offering respects to the great sage Rishyashringa, returned to their own lands. Upon leaving the city of Ayodhya to return to their own homes, the soldiers of the glorious kings, being overwhelmed with joy, shone brightly. When the kings had departed, King Dasharatha again entered his capital with the topmost brahmanas walking before him. Being properly honored and followed by the wise king and his entourage, Rishyashringa departed with his wife Shanta. Sending them all away in this manner and completely achieving his desired goal, the king happily resided in

Ayodhya while thinking about the birth of his sons.

After the sacrifice had been completed, one year elapsed. Then in the twelfth month called Caitra (April), on the ninth day, when the asterism Punarvasu was in the ascendant, the five planets—Sun, Mars, Saturn, Jupiter and Venus—were exalted, and Jupiter and the Moon were in the sign of Cancer, the Lord of the universe who is worshiped in all the worlds appeared from the womb of Kausalya as Rama, possessing divine marks. Her son was manifested from the half portion of the rice pudding given by Lord Vishnu. He was the most fortunate son of the Ikshvaku Dynasty. His eyes were reddish, His arms strong, His lips red and His voice like the sound of a drum. Kausalya shone with the immeasurable splendor of her son, like Aditi with her son Indra, the lord of the gods who carries a thunderbolt in his hand. To Kaikeyi was born a son of true prowess named Bharata. Being produced from the quarter portion of the rice

pudding, he was endowed with all the transcendental qualities of Lord Vishnu Himself. Then, Sumitra gave birth to two sons—Lakshmana and Shatrughna. They were valorous, expert in all weaponry and endowed with one eighth of the qualities of Lord Vishnu. Bharata was born when the constellation Pushya was in the ascendant and the Sun was in Pisces. The two sons of Sumitra were born when the constellation ashlesha was in the ascendant and the sun was in Cancer. The four great-souled- sons of the king were born separately. They were endowed with all good qualities, and resembled one another. In splendor they were equal to the four stars of the constellation Bhadrapada.

vedic_research_ institute, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear friends,> > Jai Shri Ram,> > When Shri Ram was born in Ayodhya at the noon-time there were places on the earth at some longitude where the Sun was rising. I already told that Ascendent is also called the "Rising Sun". I wrote the the phrase "Rising Sun" so that one who knows the western astrology will be able to appreciate that Lagna is nothing but the "Rising Sun", which they use. Shri Ramji was born in Ayodhya at noon time and the Sun was rising at that time on some places (with particular longitude on the earth) in the Karkata rashi and thus the Lagna of Shri Ramji is Karkata. As these things are beyond the comprehension of Shri Kaul he should leave these things alone. These are for the people who know astrology. Now, friends, you can well understand why Shri kaul hates astrology. he could

not master even the "abc"of astrology.> > Bharata was born in Mina lagna as stated in that verse and as I have shown he was born after 14 hours as there are 7 rashis between Karakata and Mina. But with zero knowledge oif astrology Shri Kaul will not understand that.> > It is real Kaliyuga as the People like Shri Kaulji, who does not understand astrologucal data, are dabbling at it to discredit the Ramayana, Even if the Balakanda has been interpolated it has been done by a great rishi of the stature of Valmiki otherwise the people would not have allowed it stay amalgamated with the other middle kandas of the Ramayana for centuries. Only a man with common sense can understand this.> > Jai Shri Ram> > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > --- On Sat, 9/26/09, jyotirved jyotirved@.. . wrote:> > jyotirved jyotirved@.. .> Subject:

[ind-Arch] Fw: Re: Dating of Ramayana Period> indiaarchaeology> Saturday, September 26, 2009, 6:44 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > jyotirved > @ grups. com > Saturday, September 26, 2009 7:08 PM> Fw: Re: Dating of Ramayana Period> > > > > > > > Dear friends,> Jai Shri Ram,> Shri Bhattacharjya has said, "Now you can see for yourself that the original > Sanskrit verse says that Bharata was born in Pushya nakshatra (ie. the Moon was > in the Pushya nakshatra) and the> lagna (or the Ascendent also > called the rising Sun) was in Mina (Pisces), ie. the Sun rose on that > day

in Mina........ .."> > If Shri Bhattacfharjya, being himself a jyotishi--- apraoksya as well as > parokshya--- says, "the sun rose on that day in Mina" it naturally means that > Bharata was born with the sun in Mina! The sun of Shri Ram, as per the > same Bhattacharjya- aparokshya as well as parokshya jyotishi---was in > Mesha! Obviously, Bharata was either younger than Shri Ram by at least > eleven months or elder than Him at least by one day--since the sun does not move > backwards like Rahu, from Mesha to Mina--but from Mina to Mesha! Or maybe > Bhattacharjya Sun does move even backwards, since if Bhattacharjya Ram can be > born in impossible astronomical combinations, when there were no Mesha etc. > rashis around in the whole world, what power can prevent the > Bhattacharjya sun to go retrograde! After all, "Vedic

astrologers" > are more omnipotent than even Parabrahma, since they can "create" and "destroy" > even divine incarnations whenever it pleases them!> Then again, if the sun of the sons of Sumitra was "kuleere abyudite ravav", > why is Shri Bhattacharjya so adamant that it could not mean that the sun of > Shatrugana and Lakshama was in karkata! > It is surprising that on the one hand Shri Bhattacharjya has himself admitted > that the Balakanda and Uttarakanda of the Ramayana, which contain > astrological details of the charts of Shri Ram and his > siblings, are concoctions by someone other than than Valmiki, > since that "adulterator" has said that Shri Ram ruled for eleven > thousand years, which does not gell with the views of "Vedic astrologers" , > but the same Shri Bhattacharjya jyotishi is fighting tooth and

nail to > prove those very concoctions by some good for nothng jyotishi to be > correct, just because they contain some impossible astronomical > combinatoins!> Kaliyuga, after all!> Jai Shri Ram> A K Kaul> With regards,> A K Kaul> > > > > --- On Mon, 9/21/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya > sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:> > , > Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:> > > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya > Re: Dating of > Ramayana Period> > USBrahmins@gro ups.com> > Cc: > WAVES-Vedic> > Monday, September 21, 2009, 9:40 > PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear >

friends, > > > > Further to my mail I wish to bring to your > notice that my friend Shri Kaulji has raised doubt about > Bharata's birth on the day following the day of Lord Rama's birth.and he > quoted a translation of the Ramayana verse 1-18-15. That translation, > which he says he took from the Gita press edition of the Valmiki > Ramayana, is patently wrong as you can see for yourself, if you look at the > original verse, which I am giving below for your ready reference. Shri > Kaulji just copied the wrong translation from that book, > without caring to check whether the translation was correct or > not. > > > > The wrong translation was> > > > > "Bharata of cheerful mind was born when the constellation Pushya

> was in the ascendent and the Sun had entered the sign of Pisces, while the twin > sons of Sumitra wereborn when the constellation Ashlesha was in ascendent and > theSun hasreached the meridian touching the Zodiacal sign of karkata ie. > cancer.> > > > The relevant original verse is as follows : > > > > > puShye jaataH tu bharato mIna lagne prasanna dhIH > |> > saarpe jaatau tu saumitrI kuLIre abhyudite ravau || > 1-18-15 > > > > Now you can see for yourself that the > original Sanskrit verse says that Bharata was born in Pushya nakshatra (ie. the > Moon was in the Pushya nakshatra) and the lagna (or the Ascendent also > called the rising Sun) was in Mina (Pisces), ie. the Sun rose on that > day in Mina. As Lord Rama was born in Punarvasu nakshatra and his Lagna was

> Karkata (cancer) it took 14 hours (+) for the Lagna to be in Mina > ie. for the Sun to rise in Mina (Pisces) when Bharata was born and by > that time the Moon also had reached the Pushya nakshatra. The twin Lakshmana and > Shatrughna were born in the Ashlesha nakshatra (the Nakshatra ruled by sarpa) > when the Sun rose in the (next) morning. > > > > This is > so because the Lagna remains in one sign only for two hours and > thus in the geocentric model it takes 7 X 2 = 14 hours for the Sun to traverse > the > 7 intermediate > signs between Cancer and Pisces, which are : Leo > (Simha). Virgo (Kanya), Libra (Tula), Scorpio (Vrischik) , Dhanu (Saggittarius) , > Makar (Capricorn) and Kumbha

(Aquarius). > > > > I > hope Shri Kaulji will take proper care in futuere to check such wrong > translations by referring to the original sanskrit verse.> > > > > I wish to bring to your notice another important point about the dating of > Ramayana by Dr. P.V.Vartak. He took the precessional data from the five > middle kandas of Ramayana to show that Lord Rama was born around 7300 BCE. > So, irrespective of whether the Bala kanda and the Uttara kanda are interpolated > or not, one need not have any apprehension about the date of Lord Rama in the > 74th century BCE.> > > > Regards,> > > > Sunil > K. Bhattacharjya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this

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