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Dear Vijay Goel Ji Thanks for this supposed full shloka when ever there was a discussion on this ADAGE all this yrs in all forums of and when ever it appeared it i also challenged it was alwys quoted was in the form of last line (#### Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. ######) And no one has quoted this first line Now i am thankfull for u ,u hav givn the first line too ### Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.###Those days no one quoted this missing first Line even when challenged it they rather escaped the discussion saying some credential abt him/ family or parampara ( u can also refer in this grp too as i dont want to name any body ), even some one was claiming as if thier some family Elder/or his guru is originator of this shloka and i shud respect it .That has created more anguish in me as i know what all this so called adages ( luggages ) has destroyed how many persons reputation and ability to predict .Now let us come down to basics ,what abt basics u learned what abt ishta parivarthan ? what abt dushta parivarthan ,what abt dainya parivarthan ?? Even what abt daridra yoga tru parivarthan ??do u think all this time it will work on that way mentioned in this shloka if u question again ,u can see more additions to sloka s appearing By the by do u hav any idea what is the source of this shloka than any thing written in sanskrit has any authenticity if Jupiter is Lagna lord and sani is 2nd/3rd lord and sani in lagna and how u predict this if jupiter is 4th Lord and lagna Lord and in 3rd house and sani in 4th house ,how u take it ?? if jupiter is 8th Lord and sani is 9th L and in parivarthan how u take it if jupiter is 7th L and sani is 8th Lord and sani in 7th house how u take this all same results ??do we need the crutches of a shloka for all this situations to arrive results based on pure logic s sure one tree wont make a forest ,so one sani or one jup is not ultimate idea to see the chart and chart will get modify on various factors ,but here i am asking the pure logic if we know Logics in proper way we can make 1000s of new yogas .Even better than misleading one .rgrds sunil nair , "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,> > The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows :> > Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.> Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.> > This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.> > This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in the> Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002 issue.> > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> jaipur> > , "astro_tellerkerala"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> > dear Goel Ji> >> > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but> >> > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange> >> > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max> > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic concepts in> > astrology> >> > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> > , gopal krishna goel> > g.k.goel@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:> > > "If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn> > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava"> > > Regards,> > >> > > G. K. Goel> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000> > > Re: Badaka comcept -dear Gopi> Jee> > > Dear gopi ji> > >> > > sure ,Thanks> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > >> > > , "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks....> > > > Love and regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > ,> > "astro_tellerkerala"> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List> > > > >> > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some> > astrologers> > > > >> > > > > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > > > > shani:"""""""XXXXXX> > > > >> > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ,> > "astro_tellerkerala"> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Gopi JI> > > > > >> > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some forumites> > may b> > > > > > knowing it> > > > > >> > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > > > > >> > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > > > > >> > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------something like this i blv ,means> > sat> > > > > will> > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and will> > > > distroy> > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the signification of> > the> > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > > > > >> > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > > > > >> > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why it> > has> > > > not> > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need not> > work> > > > for> > > > > > others )> > > > > >> > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest> > scenario> > > > in> > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many persons> were> > > > under> > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries> > > > > >> > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in terms> of> > > > Landed> > > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this was so> > in> > > > > kerala> > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where> > Military> > > > is> > > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and> > youths> > > > and> > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian> > deserts> > > > wont> > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > > > > >> > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > > > > >> > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may or> may> > not> > > > b> > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ,> "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house of> its> > > > > > placement> > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I> found> > it> > > > > > working> > > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> > > > astrologer......> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > , "Karan"> > karan@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me> > jupiter> > > > is> > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me dis-satisfaction> no> > > > matter> > > > > > how> > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing ever> > > > > > satisfied.> > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable> wherein> > i> > > > have> > > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and> creates> > a> > > > > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > best regards> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Karan> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , Manoj> > Chandran> > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit> concept> > is> > > > > very> > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it.> Hence> > my> > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > > > > Re: Badaka comcept> > -dear> > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for Judiciary,Teaching> > and> > > > > > Account> > > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is Natural> > Saturn> > > > > > house> > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure work> than> > he> > > > > will> > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house see> > the> > > > > chalit> > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in> 12th,Moon> > is> > > > in> > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house Ketu> > have> > > > > > placed.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> Manoj> > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out because> > this is> > > > > one> > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not> > necessarily> > > > > > great.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka> comcept> > > > -dear> > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well in> > kali> > > > yuga> > > > > > as> > > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga (> > means> > > > NON> > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut> -throat> > > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a> attitude> > ??> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and giv> only> > rs> > > > 2> > > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is just a> > > > > temporary> > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika Loga> and> > who> > > > > can> > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > Manoj> > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers, Guru> in> > the> > > > > 10H> > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those who> > have> > > > > very> > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H will> make> > > > them> > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other> > people.> > > > Some> > > > > > of> > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb house> of> > > > > Jupiter,> > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances" the> > 6H of> > > > > > Work> > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult to> go> > > > past> > > > > > the> > > > > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc might be> > > > denied> > > > > > and> > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one> factor> > ...> > > > > but> > > > > > my> > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can explain> > career> > > > > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka comcept> > -dear> > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept> tagging> > to> > > > > Natal> > > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in 10th> > House> > > > > and> > > > > > u> > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other> > factors> > > > > than> > > > > > we> > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm Prashna> > charts> > > > > only> > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma ,its> > > > effects> > > > > > etc> > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till the> > time> > > > of> > > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles and> > > > results> > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like some> > > > animals> > > > > > or> > > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no choices> > ,where> > > > as> > > > > > it> > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will also> in> > > > > humans> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic stone> > > > structure> > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the> > saraswathi> > > > > yoga> > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid> --just> > leav> > > > > > their> > > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made a> > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the statement> is> > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna and2nd> > lord> > > > of> > > > > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of luck> > apart> > > > from> > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat in> > 2nd> > > > asp> > > > > by> > > > > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing else....> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn being> > in> > > > your> > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not to be> > > > blamed> > > > > > but> > > > > > > ones> > > > > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances> done> > in> > > > > > present> > > > > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as> > Kriyamana> > > > > > > Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is> Saturn> > to> > > > be> > > > > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest> > > > significator> > > > > in> > > > > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth and> > > > happiness> > > > > > > from family> > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives from> > planets> > > > > like> > > > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not taint> > them> > > > > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has become a> > > > > punching> > > > > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses> normal> > > > > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th house> > of> > > > karm> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas mars> is> > the> > > > > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point in> the> > > > > natural> > > > > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant> > happiness> > > > > both> > > > > > > material and> > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the> Supreme> > Lord> > > > > and> > > > > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in speech> and> > > > > > treatment> > > > > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just> > instruments> > > > to> > > > > > > award us> > > > > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the> various> > > > > planets> > > > > > > just show> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the pains> > and> > > > > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his ancestory in> > the> > > > > field> > > > > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say that> > you> > > > are> > > > > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20> years> > ? I> > > > am> > > > > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa> > > > Yoganandji,> > > > > > His> > > > > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri Mahasaya,> and> > His> > > > > > guru> > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and> undermine> > his> > > > > > Gurus> > > > > > > by saying> > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to look> > good> > > > by> > > > > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if> normally> > > > > common> > > > > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here doing> > Kriya> > > > > yoga,> > > > > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed to> your> > > > name> > > > > ?> > > > > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the> Great> > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if one> > > > > considers> > > > > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His> Shishya> > was> > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his> shishya> > is> > > > > > myself> > > > > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which is> why> > I> > > > > never> > > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or to my> > > > > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa> > Yoganandji> > > > for> > > > > > last> > > > > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not demand> > respect> > > > > due> > > > > > to> > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga, Hong> > Sau or> > > > > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you are> > doing> > > > > > this,> > > > > > > you have> > > > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear> ordinary> > and> > > > > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of your> > > > > attainments> > > > > > if> > > > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and i> dont> > > > > deserve> > > > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but cant> help> > > > since> > > > > > sat> > > > > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real McCoy)and> a> > > > > > realized> > > > > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and start> > living> > > > > and> > > > > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > > > com,> > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and> Energisation> > > > > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a> > unique> > > > > member> > > > > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I> would> > > > > > consider> > > > > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009> 6:58:38> > AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > > > > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of adressing> > which> > > > i> > > > > > like> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont degrade me> > with> > > > > sir> > > > > > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya> yoga> > of> > > > > > > paramhans> > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no> > > > > > istadevta/kuldevta> > > > > > > etc,may> > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my 9th> > lord> > > > > and> > > > > > > 5th lord as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > _______________> > > More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™.> > > http://www.microsoft.com/india/windows/windowslive/> > >> >>

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Dear Sunil jiReally you have very strong analytical skill and power , and you question on factual basis, but you have to undersatnd that in astrology why many authors has born?answer is very simple you have to clearly understand that astrolgy is a a sort statical science and based on datas, so our Rishis wrtten their Granth as per their finding, In north Parashar, south Jaimini Rishi , Prithyusha , Garag, I mean to say every scientist work as per his goal and he work according to protocol.so this time is high tech period

and lot of learned gentle man on efferent forum, and they have make effoets to make all Padati in systematic and in one form.I can request only learned persons, and cant force.RegardsDr Mishra--- On Tue, 9/29/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala wrote:astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. Received: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 7:01 PM

 

 

Dear Vijay Goel Ji Thanks for this supposed full shloka when ever there was a discussion on this ADAGE all this yrs in all forums of and when ever it appeared it i also challenged it was alwys quoted was in the form of last line (#### Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. ######) And no one has quoted this first line Now i am thankfull for u ,u hav givn the first line too ### Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.###Those days no one quoted this missing first Line even when challenged it they rather escaped the discussion saying some credential abt him/ family or parampara ( u can also refer in this grp too as i dont want to name any body ), even some one was claiming as if thier some family Elder/or his guru is originator of this shloka and i shud respect it .That has created more anguish in me as i know what all this so called adages ( luggages ) has destroyed how many persons reputation and ability to predict .Now let us come down to basics ,what abt basics u learned what abt ishta parivarthan ? what abt

dushta parivarthan ,what abt dainya parivarthan ?? Even what abt daridra yoga tru parivarthan ??do u think all this time it will work on that way mentioned in this shloka if u question again ,u can see more additions to sloka s appearing By the by do u hav any idea what is the source of this shloka than any thing written in sanskrit has any authenticity if Jupiter is Lagna lord and sani is 2nd/3rd lord and sani in lagna and how u predict this if jupiter is 4th Lord and lagna Lord and in 3rd house and sani in 4th house ,how u take it ?? if jupiter is 8th Lord and sani is 9th L and in parivarthan how u take it if jupiter is 7th L and sani is 8th Lord and sani in 7th house how u take this all same results ??do we need the crutches of a shloka for all this situations to arrive results based on pure logic s sure one tree wont make a forest ,so one sani or one

jup is not ultimate idea to see the chart and chart will get modify on various factors ,but here i am asking the pure logic if we know Logics in proper way we can make 1000s of new yogas .Even better than misleading one .rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,> > The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows :> > Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.> Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.> > This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.> > This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in the> Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002

issue.> > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> jaipur> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala "> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> > dear Goel Ji> >> > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but> >> > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange> >> > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max> > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic concepts in> > astrology> >> > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, gopal krishna goel> > g.k.goel@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > I also do not have the sloka

,but it means that:> > > "If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn> > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava"> > > Regards,> > >> > > G. K. Goel> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept -dear Gopi> Jee> > > Dear gopi ji> > >> > > sure ,Thanks> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks... .> > >

> Love and regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List> > > > >> > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some> > astrologers> > > > >> > > > > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > > > > shani:"""""XXXXXX> > > > >> > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> >

"astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Gopi JI> > > > > >> > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some forumites> > may b> > > > > > knowing it> > > > > >> > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > > > > >> > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > > > > >> > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------ something like this i blv ,means> > sat> > > > > will> > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and will> > > > distroy> > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will

destroy the signification of> > the> > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > > > > >> > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > > > > >> > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why it> > has> > > > not> > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need not> > work> > > > for> > > > > > others )> > > > > >> > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest> > scenario> > > > in> > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many persons> were> > > > under> > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular

salaries> > > > > >> > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in terms> of> > > > Landed> > > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this was so> > in> > > > > kerala> > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where> > Military> > > > is> > > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and> > youths> > > > and> > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian> > deserts> > > > wont> > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > > > > >> > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > >

> > >> > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may or> may> > not> > > > b> > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house of> its> > > > > > placement> > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I> found> > it> > > > > > working> >

> > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> > > > astrologer.. ....> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Karan"> > karan@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me> > jupiter> > > > is> > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me dis-satisfaction> no> > > > matter> > > > > > how> > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing ever> > > >

> > satisfied.> > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable> wherein> > i> > > > have> > > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and> creates> > a> > > > > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > best regards> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Karan> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > Chandran> > > >

> > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit> concept> > is> > > > > very> > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it.> Hence> > my> > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept> > -dear> > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for Judiciary,Teaching> > and> > > > > > Account> >

> > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is Natural> > Saturn> > > > > > house> > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure work> than> > he> > > > > will> > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house see> > the> > > > > chalit> > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in> 12th,Moon> > is> > > > in> > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house Ketu> > have> > > > > > placed.> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> Manoj> > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out because> > this is> > > > > one> > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not> > necessarily> > > > > > great.> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka> comcept> > > >

-dear> > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well in> > kali> > > > yuga> > > > > > as> > > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga (> > means> > > > NON> > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut> -throat> > > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a> attitude> > ??> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and giv> only> > rs> > > > 2> > > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is just a> > > > > temporary> > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika Loga> and> > who> > > > > can> > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil

nair> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > Manoj> > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers, Guru> in> > the> > > > > 10H> > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those who> > have> > > > > very> > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H

will> make> > > > them> > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other> > people.> > > > Some> > > > > > of> > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb house> of> > > > > Jupiter,> > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances" the> > 6H of> > > > > > Work> > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult to> go> > > > past> > > > > > the> > > > > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc might be> > > > denied> > > > > > and> > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one>

factor> > ...> > > > > but> > > > > > my> > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can explain> > career> > > > > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka comcept> > -dear> > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept> tagging> > to> > > > > Natal> > > > >

> > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in 10th> > House> > > > > and> > > > > > u> > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other> > factors> > > > > than> > > > > > we> > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm Prashna> > charts> > > > > only> > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma ,its> > > > effects> > > > > >

etc> > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till the> > time> > > > of> > > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles and> > > > results> > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like some> > > > animals> > > > > > or> > > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no choices> > ,where> > > > as> > > > > > it> > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will also> in> > > > > humans> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic stone> > > > structure> > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the> > saraswathi> > > > > yoga> > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid> --just> > leav> > > > > > their> > > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made a> > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the statement> is> > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna and2nd> > lord> > > > of> > > > > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of luck> >

apart> > > > from> > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat in> > 2nd> > > > asp> > > > > by> > > > > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing else....> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn being> > in> > > > your> > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not to be> > > > blamed> > > > > > but> > > > > > > ones> > > > > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances> done> > in> > > > > > present> > > > > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as> > Kriyamana> > > > > > >

Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is> Saturn> > to> > > > be> > > > > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest> > > > significator> > > > > in> > > > > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth and> > > > happiness> > > > > > > from family> > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives from> > planets> > > > > like> >

> > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not taint> > them> > > > > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has become a> > > > > punching> > > > > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses> normal> > > > > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the

Owner for the 10th house> > of> > > > karm> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas mars> is> > the> > > > > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point in> the> > > > > natural> > > > > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant> > happiness> > > > > both> > > > > > > material and> > > > >

> > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the> Supreme> > Lord> > > > > and> > > > > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in speech> and> > > > > > treatment> > > > > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just> > instruments> > > > to> > > > > > > award us> > > > > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the>

various> > > > > planets> > > > > > > just show> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the pains> > and> > > > > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his ancestory in> > the> > > > > field> > > > > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say that> > you> > > > are> > > > > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20> years> > ? I> > > > am> > > > > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa> > > > Yoganandji,> > > > > > His> > > > > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri Mahasaya,> and> > His> > > > > > guru> > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and> undermine> > his> > > > > > Gurus> > > > >

> > by saying> > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to look> > good> > > > by> > > > > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if> normally> > > > > common> > > > > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here doing> > Kriya> > > > > yoga,> > > > > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually

?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed to> your> > > > name> > > > > ?> > > > > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the> Great> > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if one> > > > > considers> > > > > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His> Shishya> >

was> > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his> shishya> > is> > > > > > myself> > > > > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which is> why> > I> > > > > never> > > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or to my> > > > > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri

Paramhansa> > Yoganandji> > > > for> > > > > > last> > > > > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not demand> > respect> > > > > due> > > > > > to> > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga, Hong> > Sau or> > > > > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you are> > doing> > > > > > this,> > > > > > > you have> > >

> > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear> ordinary> > and> > > > > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of your> > > > > attainments> > > > > > if> > > > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and i> dont>

> > > > deserve> > > > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but cant> help> > > > since> > > > > > sat> > > > > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real McCoy)and> a> > > > > > realized> > > > > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > > > > had> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and start> > living> > > > > and> > > > > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > > > com,> > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and> Energisation> > > > > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a> > unique> > > > > member> > > > > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I> would> > > > > > consider> > > > > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009> 6:58:38> > AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > > > > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of adressing> > which> > > > i> > > > > > like> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont degrade me> > with> > > > > sir> > > > > > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya> yoga> > of> > > > > > > paramhans> > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no> > > > > > istadevta/kuldevta> > > > > > > etc,may> > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my 9th> > lord> > > > > and> > > > > > > 5th lord as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >

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Dear Sunil Nairji,//Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva. Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani//Since i have lot of discussion about this sloke with the author of the article in magazine before it went to published.The conclusion i remember are :First of all it should be cleared that Whenever jupiter is in Makar\Kumbh OR Saturn in Dhanu \Meena, (it is not at all the case of parivartana). Than What Vriddi or What Hani ?Jupiter will lose its jeeva properties mainly like in 5th problems related with children, in Lagna lack of semen, in 12th H cheats others, in 3H miser, etc.It should be also noted that in north it is very populer that Kumbh rasi is used as the another exalted rasi for jupiter. Suppose Kumbh jupiter in 2H can give lot of wealth but no family happiness. Similarly saturn will increase normally the material properties of the house.This principle is very vague in nature and it should be applied with caution though it can be searched in panchangs.I hope you are more cleared and there is no need for this sloke in advance application of astrology.Thankyou,Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur. , "astro_tellerkerala" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > Dear Vijay Goel Ji> > Thanks for this supposed full shloka> > when ever there was a discussion on this ADAGE all this yrs in all> forums of and when ever it appeared it i also challenged it was> alwys quoted was in the form of last line (#### Sthana hani karo> jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. ######) And no one has quoted this> first line> > Now i am thankfull for u ,u hav givn the first line too ### Jeeva> Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.###> > Those days no one quoted this missing first Line even when challenged> it they rather escaped the discussion saying some credential abt him/> family or parampara ( u can also refer in this grp too as i dont want to> name any body ), even some one was claiming as if thier some family> Elder/or his guru is originator of this shloka and i shud respect it> .That has created more anguish in me as i know what all this so called> adages ( luggages ) has destroyed how many persons reputation and> ability to predict .> > Now let us come down to basics ,what abt basics u learned> > what abt ishta parivarthan ? what abt dushta parivarthan ,what abt> dainya parivarthan ?? Even what abt daridra yoga tru parivarthan ??> > do u think all this time it will work on that way mentioned in this> shloka> > if u question again ,u can see more additions to sloka s appearing> > By the by do u hav any idea what is the source of this shloka than any> thing written in sanskrit has any authenticity> > if Jupiter is Lagna lord and sani is 2nd/3rd lord and sani in lagna and> how u predict this> > if jupiter is 4th Lord and lagna Lord and in 3rd house and sani in 4th> house ,how u take it ??> > if jupiter is 8th Lord and sani is 9th L and in parivarthan how u take> it> > if jupiter is 7th L and sani is 8th Lord and sani in 7th house how u> take this> > all same results ??> > do we need the crutches of a shloka for all this situations to arrive> results based on pure logic s> > sure one tree wont make a forest ,so one sani or one jup is not ultimate> idea to see the chart and chart will get modify on various factors ,but> here i am asking the pure logic> > if we know Logics in proper way we can make 1000s of new yogas .Even> better than misleading one .> > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > , "vijay.goel"> goyalvj@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,> >> > The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows :> >> > Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.> > Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.> >> > This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.> >> > This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in the> > Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002 issue.> >> > Thankyou,> > Regards,> > Vijay Goel> > jaipur> >> > , "astro_tellerkerala"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > dear Goel Ji> > >> > > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but> > >> > > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange> > >> > > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max> > > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic concepts> in> > > astrology> > >> > > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > >> > > , gopal krishna goel> > > g.k.goel@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:> > > > "If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn> > > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava"> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > G. K. Goel> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000> > > > Re: Badaka comcept -dear Gopi> > Jee> > > > > Dear gopi ji> > > >> > > > sure ,Thanks> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks....> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > gopi.> > > > > ,> > > "astro_tellerkerala"> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List> > > > > >> > > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some> > > astrologers> > > > > >> > > > > > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > > > > > shani:"""""""XXXXXX> > > > > >> > > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ,> > > "astro_tellerkerala"> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Gopi JI> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some> forumites> > > may b> > > > > > > knowing it> > > > > > >> > > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > > > > > >> > > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------something like this i blv> ,means> > > sat> > > > > > will> > > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and> will> > > > > distroy> > > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the signification> of> > > the> > > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why> it> > > has> > > > > not> > > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need not> > > work> > > > > for> > > > > > > others )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest> > > scenario> > > > > in> > > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many persons> > were> > > > > under> > > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries> > > > > > >> > > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in terms> > of> > > > > Landed> > > > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this was> so> > > in> > > > > > kerala> > > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where> > > Military> > > > > is> > > > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and> > > youths> > > > > and> > > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian> > > deserts> > > > > wont> > > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > > > > > >> > > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may or> > may> > > not> > > > > b> > > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > > > > > >> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ,> > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house of> > its> > > > > > > placement> > > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I> > found> > > it> > > > > > > working> > > > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> > > > > astrologer......> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > , "Karan"> > > karan@> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me> > > jupiter> > > > > is> > > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me dis-satisfaction> > no> > > > > matter> > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing> ever> > > > > > > satisfied.> > > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable> > wherein> > > i> > > > > have> > > > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and> > creates> > > a> > > > > > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > best regards> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Karan> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , Manoj> > > Chandran> > > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit> > concept> > > is> > > > > > very> > > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it.> > Hence> > > my> > > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > Re: Badaka comcept> > > -dear> > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for> Judiciary,Teaching> > > and> > > > > > > Account> > > > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is> Natural> > > Saturn> > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure work> > than> > > he> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house> see> > > the> > > > > > chalit> > > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in> > 12th,Moon> > > is> > > > > in> > > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house> Ketu> > > have> > > > > > > placed.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > Manoj> > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out because> > > this is> > > > > > one> > > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not> > > necessarily> > > > > > > great.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka> > comcept> > > > > -dear> > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well in> > > kali> > > > > yuga> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga (> > > means> > > > > NON> > > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut> > -throat> > > > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a> > attitude> > > ??> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and giv> > only> > > rs> > > > > 2> > > > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is just> a> > > > > > temporary> > > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika Loga> > and> > > who> > > > > > can> > > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > Manoj> > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers,> Guru> > in> > > the> > > > > > 10H> > > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those> who> > > have> > > > > > very> > > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H will> > make> > > > > them> > > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other> > > people.> > > > > Some> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb house> > of> > > > > > Jupiter,> > > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances"> the> > > 6H of> > > > > > > Work> > > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult> to> > go> > > > > past> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc might> be> > > > > denied> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one> > factor> > > ...> > > > > > but> > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can explain> > > career> > > > > > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka> comcept> > > -dear> > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept> > tagging> > > to> > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in> 10th> > > House> > > > > > and> > > > > > > u> > > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other> > > factors> > > > > > than> > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm Prashna> > > charts> > > > > > only> > > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma> ,its> > > > > effects> > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till> the> > > time> > > > > of> > > > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles > and> > > > > results> > > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like> some> > > > > animals> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no choices> > > ,where> > > > > as> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will> also> > in> > > > > > humans> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic stone> > > > > structure> > > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the> > > saraswathi> > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid> > --just> > > leav> > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made a> > > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the> statement> > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna> and2nd> > > lord> > > > > of> > > > > > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of luck> > > apart> > > > > from> > > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat> in> > > 2nd> > > > > asp> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing else....> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn> being> > > in> > > > > your> > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not to> be> > > > > blamed> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > ones> > > > > > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances> > done> > > in> > > > > > > present> > > > > > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as> > > Kriyamana> > > > > > > > Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is> > Saturn> > > to> > > > > be> > > > > > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest> > > > > significator> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth and> > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > from family> > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives from> > > planets> > > > > > like> > > > > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not> taint> > > them> > > > > > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has become> a> > > > > > punching> > > > > > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses> > normal> > > > > > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th> house> > > of> > > > > karm> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas> mars> > is> > > the> > > > > > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point in> > the> > > > > > natural> > > > > > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant> > > happiness> > > > > > both> > > > > > > > material and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the> > Supreme> > > Lord> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in speech> > and> > > > > > > treatment> > > > > > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just> > > instruments> > > > > to> > > > > > > > award us> > > > > > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the> > various> > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > just show> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the> pains> > > and> > > > > > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his ancestory> in> > > the> > > > > > field> > > > > > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say> that> > > you> > > > > are> > > > > > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20> > years> > > ? I> > > > > am> > > > > > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa> > > > > Yoganandji,> > > > > > > His> > > > > > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri Mahasaya,> > and> > > His> > > > > > > guru> > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and> > undermine> > > his> > > > > > > Gurus> > > > > > > > by saying> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to> look> > > good> > > > > by> > > > > > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if> > normally> > > > > > common> > > > > > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here doing> > > Kriya> > > > > > yoga,> > > > > > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed to> > your> > > > > name> > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the> > Great> > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if> one> > > > > > considers> > > > > > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His> > Shishya> > > was> > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his> > shishya> > > is> > > > > > > myself> > > > > > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which is> > why> > > I> > > > > > never> > > > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or to> my> > > > > > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa> > > Yoganandji> > > > > for> > > > > > > last> > > > > > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not demand> > > respect> > > > > > due> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga,> Hong> > > Sau or> > > > > > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you> are> > > doing> > > > > > > this,> > > > > > > > you have> > > > > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear> > ordinary> > > and> > > > > > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of your> > > > > > attainments> > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > > com,> > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and i> > dont> > > > > > deserve> > > > > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but cant> > help> > > > > since> > > > > > > sat> > > > > > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real> McCoy)and> > a> > > > > > > realized> > > > > > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and> start> > > living> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and> > Energisation> > > > > > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a> > > unique> > > > > > member> > > > > > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I> > would> > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > .> > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009> > 6:58:38> > > AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology]> Re:> > > > > > > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of> adressing> > > which> > > > > i> > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont degrade> me> > > with> > > > > > sir> > > > > > > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya> > yoga> > > of> > > > > > > > paramhans> > > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no> > > > > > > istadevta/kuldevta> > > > > > > > etc,may> > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my> 9th> > > lord> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > 5th lord as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > _______________> > > > More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows> Live™.> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/india/windows/windowslive/> > > >> > >> >>

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Pranams,Mr.SunilNairji & Mr.Vijay Goel ji,I think Ch.6 sloka 32 of Phaladeepika is not in contrast to the under noted adage Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.[if Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs ,

Saturn will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava].I think the former hasten to explain the theme pertaining to Bava-lords and the latter pertains to the theme of planetary effects on the houses they are posited.An astrologer should evaluate both the effects and focus his predictions on given contingency . I can not explain beyond the above,but some one who caught my points could argue / present it in a better way.Regards/Dhananjayan--- On Wed, 30/9/09, astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala wrote:astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. Date: Wednesday, 30 September, 2009, 12:31 AM

 

 

Dear Vijay Goel Ji Thanks for this supposed full shloka when ever there was a discussion on this ADAGE all this yrs in all forums of and when ever it appeared it i also challenged it was alwys quoted was in the form of last line (#### Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. ######) And no one has quoted this first line Now i am thankfull for u ,u hav givn the first line too ### Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.###Those days no one quoted this missing first Line even when challenged it they rather escaped the discussion saying some credential abt him/ family or parampara ( u can also refer in this grp too as i dont want to name any body ), even some one was claiming as if thier some family Elder/or his guru is originator of this shloka and i shud respect it .That has created more anguish in me as i know what all this so called adages ( luggages ) has destroyed how many persons reputation and ability to predict .Now let us come down to basics ,what abt basics u learned what abt ishta parivarthan ? what abt

dushta parivarthan ,what abt dainya parivarthan ?? Even what abt daridra yoga tru parivarthan ??do u think all this time it will work on that way mentioned in this shloka if u question again ,u can see more additions to sloka s appearing By the by do u hav any idea what is the source of this shloka than any thing written in sanskrit has any authenticity if Jupiter is Lagna lord and sani is 2nd/3rd lord and sani in lagna and how u predict this if jupiter is 4th Lord and lagna Lord and in 3rd house and sani in 4th house ,how u take it ?? if jupiter is 8th Lord and sani is 9th L and in parivarthan how u take it if jupiter is 7th L and sani is 8th Lord and sani in 7th house how u take this all same results ??do we need the crutches of a shloka for all this situations to arrive results based on pure logic s sure one tree wont make a forest ,so one sani or one

jup is not ultimate idea to see the chart and chart will get modify on various factors ,but here i am asking the pure logic if we know Logics in proper way we can make 1000s of new yogas .Even better than misleading one .rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,> > The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows :> > Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.> Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.> > This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.> > This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in the> Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002

issue.> > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> jaipur> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala "> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> > dear Goel Ji> >> > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but> >> > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange> >> > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max> > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic concepts in> > astrology> >> > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, gopal krishna goel> > g.k.goel@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > I also do not have the sloka

,but it means that:> > > "If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn> > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava"> > > Regards,> > >> > > G. K. Goel> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept -dear Gopi> Jee> > > Dear gopi ji> > >> > > sure ,Thanks> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > >> > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks... .> > >

> Love and regards,> > > > gopi.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List> > > > >> > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some> > astrologers> > > > >> > > > > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > > > > shani:"""""XXXXXX> > > > >> > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> >

"astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Gopi JI> > > > > >> > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some forumites> > may b> > > > > > knowing it> > > > > >> > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > > > > >> > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > > > > >> > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------ something like this i blv ,means> > sat> > > > > will> > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and will> > > > distroy> > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will

destroy the signification of> > the> > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > > > > >> > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > > > > >> > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why it> > has> > > > not> > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need not> > work> > > > for> > > > > > others )> > > > > >> > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest> > scenario> > > > in> > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many persons> were> > > > under> > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular

salaries> > > > > >> > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in terms> of> > > > Landed> > > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this was so> > in> > > > > kerala> > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where> > Military> > > > is> > > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and> > youths> > > > and> > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian> > deserts> > > > wont> > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > > > > >> > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > >

> > >> > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may or> may> > not> > > > b> > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house of> its> > > > > > placement> > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I> found> > it> > > > > > working> >

> > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> > > > astrologer.. ....> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Karan"> > karan@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me> > jupiter> > > > is> > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me dis-satisfaction> no> > > > matter> > > > > > how> > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing ever> > > >

> > satisfied.> > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable> wherein> > i> > > > have> > > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and> creates> > a> > > > > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > best regards> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Karan> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > Chandran> > > >

> > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit> concept> > is> > > > > very> > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it.> Hence> > my> > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept> > -dear> > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for Judiciary,Teaching> > and> > > > > > Account> >

> > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is Natural> > Saturn> > > > > > house> > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure work> than> > he> > > > > will> > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house see> > the> > > > > chalit> > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in> 12th,Moon> > is> > > > in> > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house Ketu> > have> > > > > > placed.> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> Manoj> > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out because> > this is> > > > > one> > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not> > necessarily> > > > > > great.> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka> comcept> > > >

-dear> > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well in> > kali> > > > yuga> > > > > > as> > > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga (> > means> > > > NON> > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut> -throat> > > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a> attitude> > ??> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and giv> only> > rs> > > > 2> > > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is just a> > > > > temporary> > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika Loga> and> > who> > > > > can> > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil

nair> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > Manoj> > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers, Guru> in> > the> > > > > 10H> > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those who> > have> > > > > very> > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H

will> make> > > > them> > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other> > people.> > > > Some> > > > > > of> > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb house> of> > > > > Jupiter,> > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances" the> > 6H of> > > > > > Work> > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult to> go> > > > past> > > > > > the> > > > > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc might be> > > > denied> > > > > > and> > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one>

factor> > ...> > > > > but> > > > > > my> > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can explain> > career> > > > > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...>

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka comcept> > -dear> > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept> tagging> > to> > > > > Natal> > > > >

> > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in 10th> > House> > > > > and> > > > > > u> > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other> > factors> > > > > than> > > > > > we> > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm Prashna> > charts> > > > > only> > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma ,its> > > > effects> > > > > >

etc> > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till the> > time> > > > of> > > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles and> > > > results> > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like some> > > > animals> > > > > > or> > > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no choices> > ,where> > > > as> > > > > > it> > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will also> in> > > > > humans> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic stone> > > > structure> > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the> > saraswathi> > > > > yoga> > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid> --just> > leav> > > > > > their> > > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made a> > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the statement> is> > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna and2nd> > lord> > > > of> > > > > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of luck> >

apart> > > > from> > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat in> > 2nd> > > > asp> > > > > by> > > > > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing else....> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn being> > in> > > > your> > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not to be> > > > blamed> > > > > > but> > > > > > > ones> > > > > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances> done> > in> > > > > > present> > > > > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as> > Kriyamana> > > > > > >

Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is> Saturn> > to> > > > be> > > > > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest> > > > significator> > > > > in> > > > > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth and> > > > happiness> > > > > > > from family> > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives from> > planets> > > > > like> >

> > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not taint> > them> > > > > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has become a> > > > > punching> > > > > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses> normal> > > > > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the

Owner for the 10th house> > of> > > > karm> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas mars> is> > the> > > > > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point in> the> > > > > natural> > > > > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant> > happiness> > > > > both> > > > > > > material and> > > > >

> > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the> Supreme> > Lord> > > > > and> > > > > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in speech> and> > > > > > treatment> > > > > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just> > instruments> > > > to> > > > > > > award us> > > > > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the>

various> > > > > planets> > > > > > > just show> > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the pains> > and> > > > > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his ancestory in> > the> > > > > field> > > > > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say that> > you> > > > are> > > > > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20> years> > ? I> > > > am> > > > > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa> > > > Yoganandji,> > > > > > His> > > > > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri Mahasaya,> and> > His> > > > > > guru> > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and> undermine> > his> > > > > > Gurus> > > > >

> > by saying> > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to look> > good> > > > by> > > > > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if> normally> > > > > common> > > > > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here doing> > Kriya> > > > > yoga,> > > > > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually

?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed to> your> > > > name> > > > > ?> > > > > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the> Great> > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if one> > > > > considers> > > > > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His> Shishya> >

was> > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his> shishya> > is> > > > > > myself> > > > > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which is> why> > I> > > > > never> > > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or to my> > > > > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri

Paramhansa> > Yoganandji> > > > for> > > > > > last> > > > > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not demand> > respect> > > > > due> > > > > > to> > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga, Hong> > Sau or> > > > > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you are> > doing> > > > > > this,> > > > > > > you have> > >

> > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear> ordinary> > and> > > > > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of your> > > > > attainments> > > > > > if> > > > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and i> dont>

> > > > deserve> > > > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but cant> help> > > > since> > > > > > sat> > > > > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real McCoy)and> a> > > > > > realized> > > > > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > > > > had> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and start> > living> > > > > and> > > > > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > > > com,> > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and> Energisation> > > > > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a> > unique> > > > > member> > > > > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I> would> > > > > > consider> > > > > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009> 6:58:38> > AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > > > > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of adressing> > which> > > > i> > > > > > like> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont degrade me> > with> > > > > sir> > > > > > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya> yoga> > of> > > > > > > paramhans> > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no> > > > > > istadevta/kuldevta> > > > > > > etc,may> > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my 9th> > lord> > > > > and> > > > > > > 5th lord as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >

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Dear Vijay Goel Ji Thanks for explaining the shloka further But pls understand the shloka was talking abt stana vridhi and stana hani ,stana means House or bhava .it was not talking abt the karakatwa ,i do agree esp jup in Makara,esp in 5th house ,may loose its santan Karakatwa All this r common and digestable thanks for ur mail rgrds sunil nair , "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nairji,> > //Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.> Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani//> > Since i have lot of discussion about this sloke with the author of the> article in magazine before it went to published.> > The conclusion i remember are :> First of all it should be cleared that> Whenever jupiter is in Makar\Kumbh OR Saturn in Dhanu \Meena, (it is not> at all the case of parivartana).> Than What Vriddi or What Hani ?> > Jupiter will lose its jeeva properties mainly like in 5th problems> related with children, in Lagna lack of semen, in 12th H cheats others,> in 3H miser, etc.> It should be also noted that in north it is very populer that Kumbh rasi> is used as the another exalted rasi for jupiter. Suppose Kumbh jupiter> in 2H can give lot of wealth but no family happiness.> > Similarly saturn will increase normally the material properties of the> house.> > This principle is very vague in nature and it should be applied with> caution though it can be searched in panchangs.> > I hope you are more cleared and there is no need for this sloke in> advance application of astrology.> > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> > > > > , "astro_tellerkerala"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Vijay Goel Ji> >> > Thanks for this supposed full shloka> >> > when ever there was a discussion on this ADAGE all this yrs in all> > forums of and when ever it appeared it i also challenged it was> > alwys quoted was in the form of last line (#### Sthana hani karo> > jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. ######) And no one has quoted this> > first line> >> > Now i am thankfull for u ,u hav givn the first line too ### Jeeva> > Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.###> >> > Those days no one quoted this missing first Line even when challenged> > it they rather escaped the discussion saying some credential abt him/> > family or parampara ( u can also refer in this grp too as i dont want> to> > name any body ), even some one was claiming as if thier some family> > Elder/or his guru is originator of this shloka and i shud respect it> > .That has created more anguish in me as i know what all this so called> > adages ( luggages ) has destroyed how many persons reputation and> > ability to predict .> >> > Now let us come down to basics ,what abt basics u learned> >> > what abt ishta parivarthan ? what abt dushta parivarthan ,what abt> > dainya parivarthan ?? Even what abt daridra yoga tru parivarthan ??> >> > do u think all this time it will work on that way mentioned in this> > shloka> >> > if u question again ,u can see more additions to sloka s appearing> >> > By the by do u hav any idea what is the source of this shloka than any> > thing written in sanskrit has any authenticity> >> > if Jupiter is Lagna lord and sani is 2nd/3rd lord and sani in lagna> and> > how u predict this> >> > if jupiter is 4th Lord and lagna Lord and in 3rd house and sani in 4th> > house ,how u take it ??> >> > if jupiter is 8th Lord and sani is 9th L and in parivarthan how u take> > it> >> > if jupiter is 7th L and sani is 8th Lord and sani in 7th house how u> > take this> >> > all same results ??> >> > do we need the crutches of a shloka for all this situations to arrive> > results based on pure logic s> >> > sure one tree wont make a forest ,so one sani or one jup is not> ultimate> > idea to see the chart and chart will get modify on various factors> ,but> > here i am asking the pure logic> >> > if we know Logics in proper way we can make 1000s of new yogas .Even> > better than misleading one .> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "vijay.goel"> > goyalvj@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,> > >> > > The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows :> > >> > > Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.> > > Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.> > >> > > This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.> > >> > > This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in the> > > Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002 issue.> > >> > > Thankyou,> > > Regards,> > > Vijay Goel> > > jaipur> > >> > > ,> "astro_tellerkerala"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > dear Goel Ji> > > >> > > > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but> > > >> > > > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange> > > >> > > > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max> > > > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic> concepts> > in> > > > astrology> > > >> > > > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > > , gopal krishna> goel> > > > g.k.goel@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:> > > > > "If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn> > > > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava"> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > G. K. Goel> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000> > > > > Re: Badaka comcept -dear> Gopi> > > Jee> >> > > > > Dear gopi ji> > > > >> > > > > sure ,Thanks> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks....> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > ,> > > > "astro_tellerkerala"> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List> > > > > > >> > > > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some> > > > astrologers> > > > > > >> > > > > > > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > > > > > > shani:"""""""XXXXXX> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > > > > > >> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ,> > > > "astro_tellerkerala"> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi JI> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some> > forumites> > > > may b> > > > > > > > knowing it> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------something like this i blv> > ,means> > > > sat> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and> > will> > > > > > distroy> > > > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the> signification> > of> > > > the> > > > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why> > it> > > > has> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need> not> > > > work> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > others )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest> > > > scenario> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many> persons> > > were> > > > > > under> > > > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in> terms> > > of> > > > > > Landed> > > > > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this> was> > so> > > > in> > > > > > > kerala> > > > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where> > > > Military> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and> > > > youths> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian> > > > deserts> > > > > > wont> > > > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may> or> > > may> > > > not> > > > > > b> > > > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ,> > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house> of> > > its> > > > > > > > placement> > > > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I> > > found> > > > it> > > > > > > > working> > > > > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> > > > > > astrologer......> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > , "Karan"> > > > karan@> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me> > > > jupiter> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me> dis-satisfaction> > > no> > > > > > matter> > > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing> > ever> > > > > > > > satisfied.> > > > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable> > > wherein> > > > i> > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and> > > creates> > > > a> > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best regards> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Karan> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > , Manoj> > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit> > > concept> > > > is> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it.> > > Hence> > > > my> > > > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Badaka> comcept> > > > -dear> > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for> > Judiciary,Teaching> > > > and> > > > > > > > Account> > > > > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is> > Natural> > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure> work> > > than> > > > he> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house> > see> > > > the> > > > > > > chalit> > > > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in> > > 12th,Moon> > > > is> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house> > Ketu> > > > have> > > > > > > > placed.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > Manoj> > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out> because> > > > this is> > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not> > > > necessarily> > > > > > > > great.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka> > > comcept> > > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well> in> > > > kali> > > > > > yuga> > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga> (> > > > means> > > > > > NON> > > > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut> > > -throat> > > > > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a> > > attitude> > > > ??> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and> giv> > > only> > > > rs> > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is> just> > a> > > > > > > temporary> > > > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika> Loga> > > and> > > > who> > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > Manoj> > > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers,> > Guru> > > in> > > > the> > > > > > > 10H> > > > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those> > who> > > > have> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H> will> > > make> > > > > > them> > > > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other> > > > people.> > > > > > Some> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb> house> > > of> > > > > > > Jupiter,> > > > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances"> > the> > > > 6H of> > > > > > > > Work> > > > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult> > to> > > go> > > > > > past> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc> might> > be> > > > > > denied> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one> > > factor> > > > ...> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can> explain> > > > career> > > > > > > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka> > comcept> > > > -dear> > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept> > > tagging> > > > to> > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in> > 10th> > > > House> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > u> > > > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other> > > > factors> > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm> Prashna> > > > charts> > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma> > ,its> > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till> > the> > > > time> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles> > and> > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like> > some> > > > > > animals> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no> choices> > > > ,where> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will> > also> > > in> > > > > > > humans> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic> stone> > > > > > structure> > > > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the> > > > saraswathi> > > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid> > > --just> > > > leav> > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made> a> > > > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the> > statement> > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna> > and2nd> > > > lord> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of> luck> > > > apart> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat> > in> > > > 2nd> > > > > > asp> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing> else....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn> > being> > > > in> > > > > > your> > > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not> to> > be> > > > > > blamed> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > ones> > > > > > > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances> > > done> > > > in> > > > > > > > present> > > > > > > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as> > > > Kriyamana> > > > > > > > > Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is> > > Saturn> > > > to> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest> > > > > > significator> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth> and> > > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > > from family> > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives> from> > > > planets> > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not> > taint> > > > them> > > > > > > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has> become> > a> > > > > > > punching> > > > > > > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses> > > normal> > > > > > > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th> > house> > > > of> > > > > > karm> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas> > mars> > > is> > > > the> > > > > > > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point> in> > > the> > > > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant> > > > happiness> > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > material and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the> > > Supreme> > > > Lord> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in> speech> > > and> > > > > > > > treatment> > > > > > > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just> > > > instruments> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > award us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the> > > various> > > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > > just show> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the> > pains> > > > and> > > > > > > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his> ancestory> > in> > > > the> > > > > > > field> > > > > > > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say> > that> > > > you> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20> > > years> > > > ? I> > > > > > am> > > > > > > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa> > > > > > Yoganandji,> > > > > > > > His> > > > > > > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri> Mahasaya,> > > and> > > > His> > > > > > > > guru> > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and> > > undermine> > > > his> > > > > > > > Gurus> > > > > > > > > by saying> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to> > look> > > > good> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if> > > normally> > > > > > > common> > > > > > > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here> doing> > > > Kriya> > > > > > > yoga,> > > > > > > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed> to> > > your> > > > > > name> > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the> > > Great> > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if> > one> > > > > > > considers> > > > > > > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His> > > Shishya> > > > was> > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his> > > shishya> > > > is> > > > > > > > myself> > > > > > > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which> is> > > why> > > > I> > > > > > > never> > > > > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or> to> > my> > > > > > > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa> > > > Yoganandji> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > last> > > > > > > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not> demand> > > > respect> > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga,> > Hong> > > > Sau or> > > > > > > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you> > are> > > > doing> > > > > > > > this,> > > > > > > > > you have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear> > > ordinary> > > > and> > > > > > > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of> your> > > > > > > attainments> > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and> i> > > dont> > > > > > > deserve> > > > > > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but> cant> > > help> > > > > > since> > > > > > > > sat> > > > > > > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real> > McCoy)and> > > a> > > > > > > > realized> > > > > > > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and> > start> > > > living> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and> > > Energisation> > > > > > > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a> > > > unique> > > > > > > member> > > > > > > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I> > > would> > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009> > > 6:58:38> > > > AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology]> > Re:> > > > > > > > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of> > adressing> > > > which> > > > > > i> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont> degrade> > me> > > > with> > > > > > > sir> > > > > > > > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya> > > yoga> > > > of> > > > > > > > > paramhans> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no> > > > > > > > istadevta/kuldevta> > > > > > > > > etc,may> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my> > 9th> > > > lord> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > 5th lord as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > 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Dear Dhananjayan ji,pranams.Your name sounds and sugests that you have/had victory over wealth.Pl corect me if i am wrong about the meaning.This is what sri krishna addressed Arjuna in Geetha many a time.Nice name.Regarding the sloka the dictum works only when the exchange takes place is my humble opinion.Love and regards,gopi. , Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya wrote:>> Pranams,> Mr.SunilNairji & Mr.Vijay Goel ji,> > I think Ch.6 sloka 32 of Phaladeepika is not in contrast to the under noted adage > > Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.> Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.> [if Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn>  will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava].> I think the former hasten to explain the theme pertaining to Bava-lords and the latter pertains to the theme of planetary effects on the houses they are posited.> An astrologer should evaluate both the effects and focus his predictions on given contingency . > > I can not explain beyond the above,but some one who caught my points could argue / present it in a better way.> > Regards/Dhananjayan> > > > > > > --- On Wed, 30/9/09, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.> > Wednesday, 30 September, 2009, 12:31 AM> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel Ji > > Thanks for this supposed full shloka > > when ever there was a discussion on this ADAGE all this yrs in all forums of and when ever it appeared it i also challenged it was alwys quoted was in the form of last line (#### Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. ######) And no one has quoted this first line > > Now i am thankfull for u ,u hav givn the first line too ### Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.###> > Those days no one quoted this missing first Line even when challenged it they rather escaped the discussion saying some credential abt him/ family or parampara ( u can also refer in this grp too as i dont want to name any body ), even some one was claiming as if thier some family Elder/or his guru is originator of this shloka and i shud respect it .That has created more anguish in me as i know what all this so called adages ( luggages ) has destroyed how many persons reputation and ability to predict .> > Now let us come down to basics ,what abt basics u learned > > what abt ishta parivarthan ? what abt> dushta parivarthan ,what abt dainya parivarthan ?? Even what abt daridra yoga tru parivarthan ??> > do u think all this time it will work on that way mentioned in this shloka > > if u question again ,u can see more additions to sloka s appearing > > By the by do u hav any idea what is the source of this shloka than any thing written in sanskrit has any authenticity > > if Jupiter is Lagna lord and sani is 2nd/3rd lord and sani in lagna and how u predict this > > if jupiter is 4th Lord and lagna Lord and in 3rd house and sani in 4th house ,how u take it ?? > > if jupiter is 8th Lord and sani is 9th L and in parivarthan how u take it > > if jupiter is 7th L and sani is 8th Lord and sani in 7th house how u take this > > all same results ??> > do we need the crutches of a shloka for all this situations to arrive results based on pure logic s > > sure one tree wont make a forest ,so one sani or one> jup is not ultimate idea to see the chart and chart will get modify on various factors ,but here i am asking the pure logic > > if we know Logics in proper way we can make 1000s of new yogas .Even better than misleading one .> > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel" goyalvj@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,> > > > The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows :> > > > Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.> > Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.> > > > This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.> > > > This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in the> > Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002> issue.> > > > Thankyou,> > Regards,> > Vijay Goel> > jaipur> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala "> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > dear Goel Ji> > >> > > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but> > >> > > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange> > >> > > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max> > > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic concepts in> > > astrology> > >> > > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, gopal krishna goel> > > g.k.goel@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > I also do not have the sloka> ,but it means that:> > > > "If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn> > > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava"> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > G. K. Goel> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept -dear Gopi> > Jee> > > > > Dear gopi ji> > > >> > > > sure ,Thanks> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks... .> > > >> > Love and regards,> > > > > gopi.> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List> > > > > >> > > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some> > > astrologers> > > > > >> > > > > > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > > > > > shani:"""""XXXXXX> > > > > >> > > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > >> "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Gopi JI> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some forumites> > > may b> > > > > > > knowing it> > > > > > >> > > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > > > > > >> > > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------ something like this i blv ,means> > > sat> > > > > > will> > > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and will> > > > > distroy> > > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will> destroy the signification of> > > the> > > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why it> > > has> > > > > not> > > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need not> > > work> > > > > for> > > > > > > others )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest> > > scenario> > > > > in> > > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many persons> > were> > > > > under> > > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular> salaries> > > > > > >> > > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in terms> > of> > > > > Landed> > > > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this was so> > > in> > > > > > kerala> > > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where> > > Military> > > > > is> > > > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and> > > youths> > > > > and> > > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian> > > deserts> > > > > wont> > > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may or> > may> > > not> > > > > b> > > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > > > > > >> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house of> > its> > > > > > > placement> > > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I> > found> > > it> > > > > > > working> > >> > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> > > > > astrologer.. ....> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Karan"> > > karan@> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me> > > jupiter> > > > > is> > > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me dis-satisfaction> > no> > > > > matter> > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing ever> > > > >> > > satisfied.> > > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable> > wherein> > > i> > > > > have> > > > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and> > creates> > > a> > > > > > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > best regards> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Karan> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > > Chandran> > > > >> > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit> > concept> > > is> > > > > > very> > > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it.> > Hence> > > my> > > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept> > > -dear> > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for Judiciary,Teaching> > > and> > > > > > > Account> > >> > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is Natural> > > Saturn> > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure work> > than> > > he> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house see> > > the> > > > > > chalit> > > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in> > 12th,Moon> > > is> > > > > in> > > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house Ketu> > > have> > > > > > > placed.> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > Manoj> > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out because> > > this is> > > > > > one> > > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not> > > necessarily> > > > > > > great.> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka> > comcept> > > > >> -dear> > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well in> > > kali> > > > > yuga> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga (> > > means> > > > > NON> > > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut> > -throat> > > > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a> > attitude> > > ??> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and giv> > only> > > rs> > > > > 2> > > > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is just a> > > > > > temporary> > > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika Loga> > and> > > who> > > > > > can> > > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil> nair> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > Manoj> > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers, Guru> > in> > > the> > > > > > 10H> > > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those who> > > have> > > > > > very> > > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H> will> > make> > > > > them> > > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other> > > people.> > > > > Some> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb house> > of> > > > > > Jupiter,> > > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances" the> > > 6H of> > > > > > > Work> > > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult to> > go> > > > > past> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc might be> > > > > denied> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one> >> factor> > > ...> > > > > > but> > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can explain> > > career> > > > > > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka comcept> > > -dear> > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept> > tagging> > > to> > > > > > Natal> > > > > >> > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in 10th> > > House> > > > > > and> > > > > > > u> > > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other> > > factors> > > > > > than> > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm Prashna> > > charts> > > > > > only> > > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma ,its> > > > > effects> > > > > > >> etc> > > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till the> > > time> > > > > of> > > > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles and> > > > > results> > > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like some> > > > > animals> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no choices> > > ,where> > > > > as> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will also> > in> > > > > > humans> > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic stone> > > > > structure> > > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the> > > saraswathi> > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid> > --just> > > leav> > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made a> > > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the statement> > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna and2nd> > > lord> > > > > of> > > > > > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of luck> > >> apart> > > > > from> > > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat in> > > 2nd> > > > > asp> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing else....> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn being> > > in> > > > > your> > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not to be> > > > > blamed> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > ones> > > > > > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances> > done> > > in> > > > > > > present> > > > > > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as> > > Kriyamana> > > > > > > >> Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is> > Saturn> > > to> > > > > be> > > > > > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest> > > > > significator> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth and> > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > from family> > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives from> > > planets> > > > > > like> > >> > > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not taint> > > them> > > > > > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has become a> > > > > > punching> > > > > > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses> > normal> > > > > > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the> Owner for the 10th house> > > of> > > > > karm> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas mars> > is> > > the> > > > > > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point in> > the> > > > > > natural> > > > > > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant> > > happiness> > > > > > both> > > > > > > > material and> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the> > Supreme> > > Lord> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in speech> > and> > > > > > > treatment> > > > > > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just> > > instruments> > > > > to> > > > > > > > award us> > > > > > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the> >> various> > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > just show> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the pains> > > and> > > > > > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his ancestory in> > > the> > > > > > field> > > > > > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say that> > > you> > > > > are> > > > > > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20> > years> > > ? I> > > > > am> > > > > > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa> > > > > Yoganandji,> > > > > > > His> > > > > > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri Mahasaya,> > and> > > His> > > > > > > guru> > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and> > undermine> > > his> > > > > > > Gurus> > > > > >> > > by saying> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to look> > > good> > > > > by> > > > > > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if> > normally> > > > > > common> > > > > > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here doing> > > Kriya> > > > > > yoga,> > > > > > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually> ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed to> > your> > > > > name> > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the> > Great> > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if one> > > > > > considers> > > > > > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His> > Shishya> > >> was> > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his> > shishya> > > is> > > > > > > myself> > > > > > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which is> > why> > > I> > > > > > never> > > > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or to my> > > > > > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri> Paramhansa> > > Yoganandji> > > > > for> > > > > > > last> > > > > > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not demand> > > respect> > > > > > due> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga, Hong> > > Sau or> > > > > > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you are> > > doing> > > > > > > this,> > > > > > > > you have> > > >> > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear> > ordinary> > > and> > > > > > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of your> > > > > > attainments> > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and i> > dont> >> > > > > deserve> > > > > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but cant> > help> > > > > since> > > > > > > sat> > > > > > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real McCoy)and> > a> > > > > > > realized> > > > > > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > had> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and start> > > living> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and> > Energisation> > > > > > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a> > > unique> > > > > > member> > > > > > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I> > would> > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > .> > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009> > 6:58:38> > > AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > > > > > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of adressing> > > which> > > > > i> > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont degrade me> > > with> > > > > > sir> > > > > > > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya> > yoga> > > of> > > > > > > > paramhans> > > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no> > > > > > > istadevta/kuldevta> > > > > > > > etc,may> > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my 9th> > > lord> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > 5th lord as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 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