Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.- A chart

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Dear manoj Kumar Ji Thanks for ur reading of this chart and subsequesnt queries i posted it to show how this """stana vridhi dictum of sani"" is applying in this chart My knowledge abt this girl is a single child ( i need to ask them abt death of any siblings etc ) and has a sickenss of some sort of a complete life style diseases and i giv some remedies and even offer my help in getting the best traditional medicines ( as this is a disease in impossible catogary right now with modern medcine as their parents is getting her all world class modern treatmnts and more abt this disease i dont know in medical sense than ayurvedic sense )even i expect ketu to giv her some releif and i realy agree with u and again venus dasa is question mark so i think she needs a life time adjustmnts with life syle and intake of food etc and advised their parents too i am still to get any feed back s as their parents does not seems to b blv in giving feed backs or may b they r disppointed that i dont recommnded some expensiv pooja or remedy or stone or even my words like this reading is not what they may b expecting .Thanks for ur mail and time and effortrgrds sunil nair , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:>> Dear Shri Sunil Nair,>  > This chart that you have posted. I have few querries on it.>  > This girl seems to be two siblings with mother having four pregnancies in all.>  > There could be birth of another sibling or a pregnancy for her mother after March, 2003.>  > She was born in dasha of Mercury. Sixth lord. So this problem of hers could be due to a genetical problem and after the birth of this girl, the period is not good for her father.>  > She would be entering into dasha of Ketu shortly in 2012. Ketu is in the eleventh house. She is born in the year 1998. This problem of skin could have surfaced sometime after 2004 and Ketu is with Mars and Jupiter, the 12th lord and Mars, 8th and Lagna lord. She does need to take care of health during this period.>  > regards,>  > Mouji>  > > > --- On Wed, 9/30/09, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala Re: Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.- A chart> > Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:48 PM> > >  > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji> >  pls see this chart> > > Natal Chart> > Date:         January 24, 1998> Time:         13:27:00> Time Zone:    8:00:00 (East of GMT)> Place:        103 E 53' 00", 1 N 18' 00">               Gay World Park, Singapore> Tithi:        Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (26.86% left)> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> Nakshatra:    Jyeshtha (Me) (82.74% left)> Yoga:         Dhruva (Ke) (81.30% left)> Karana:       Balava (Mo) (53.72% left)> Hora Lord:    Moon (5 min sign: Vi)> Sunrise:      7:18:15> Sunset:       19:14:44> > this is a chart of a girl -pls listen to her mom s words> > ############ ######### ####> > She has eczemya which seems to be getting from bad to worse no matter the number pf treatments that i bring her to. She has bad skin problems which make her feel more insecure and its a big distraction for her studies. She is very disobidient and stubborn to everyone around her.> She does not have any interest in studying, she gets angry and frusturated very fast and does not listen to anyone around her. Her studies are failing and she does not seem anxious about it too.> ############ ######### ####> > if u make the chart and see aries lagna rising and 11th L sat in 12th House and 12th L jupiter is in 11th House> > her merc dasa is running which strted at birth and last phace which was sani now after jupiter sub period .> > u all can see wheter sani has incresed ( vridhi ) or decreased ( hani ) the good signification of the house he sits> > rgrds sunil nair> > sure any one can say frm this chart the significations of gains will b affected ( as jup in 11th and causing a hani ) so it shud hav affected in material wealth than in the way of diseases etc> > This chart is in possession of another prominent memebr of this grp too> > rgrds sunil nair> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala@ ...> wrote:> >> >> > Dear Vijay Goel Ji> >> > Thanks for this supposed full shloka> >> > when ever there was a discussion on this ADAGE all this yrs in all> > forums of and when ever it appeared it i also challenged it was> > alwys quoted was in the form of last line (#### Sthana hani karo> > jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. ######) And no one has quoted this> > first line> >> > Now i am thankfull for u ,u hav givn the first line too ### Jeeva> > Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.###> >> > Those days no one quoted this missing first Line even when challenged> > it they rather escaped the discussion saying some credential abt him/> > family or parampara ( u can also refer in this grp too as i dont want to> > name any body ), even some one was claiming as if thier some family> > Elder/or his guru is originator of this shloka and i shud respect it> > .That has created more anguish in me as i know what all this so called> > adages ( luggages ) has destroyed how many persons reputation and> > ability to predict .> >> > Now let us come down to basics ,what abt basics u learned> >> > what abt ishta parivarthan ? what abt dushta parivarthan ,what abt> > dainya parivarthan ?? Even what abt daridra yoga tru parivarthan ??> >> > do u think all this time it will work on that way mentioned in this> > shloka> >> > if u question again ,u can see more additions to sloka s appearing> >> > By the by do u hav any idea what is the source of this shloka than any> > thing written in sanskrit has any authenticity> >> > if Jupiter is Lagna lord and sani is 2nd/3rd lord and sani in lagna and> > how u predict this> >> > if jupiter is 4th Lord and lagna Lord and in 3rd house and sani in 4th> > house ,how u take it ??> >> > if jupiter is 8th Lord and sani is 9th L and in parivarthan how u take> > it> >> > if jupiter is 7th L and sani is 8th Lord and sani in 7th house how u> > take this> >> > all same results ??> >> > do we need the crutches of a shloka for all this situations to arrive> > results based on pure logic s> >> > sure one tree wont make a forest ,so one sani or one jup is not ultimate> > idea to see the chart and chart will get modify on various factors ,but> > here i am asking the pure logic> >> > if we know Logics in proper way we can make 1000s of new yogas .Even> > better than misleading one .> >> > rgrds sunil nair> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > goyalvj@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,> > >> > > The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows :> > >> > > Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.> > > Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.> > >> > > This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.> > >> > > This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in the> > > Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002 issue.> > >> > > Thankyou,> > > Regards,> > > Vijay Goel> > > jaipur> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala "> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > dear Goel Ji> > > >> > > > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but> > > >> > > > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange> > > >> > > > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max> > > > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic concepts> > in> > > > astrology> > > >> > > > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, gopal krishna goel> > > > g.k.goel@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:> > > > > "If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn> > > > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava"> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > G. K. Goel> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept -dear Gopi> > > Jee> >> > > > > Dear gopi ji> > > > >> > > > > sure ,Thanks> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks... .> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List> > > > > > >> > > > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some> > > > astrologers> > > > > > >> > > > > > > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > > > > > > shani:"""""XXXXXX> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > > > > > >> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi JI> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some> > forumites> > > > may b> > > > > > > > knowing it> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------ something like this i blv> > ,means> > > > sat> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and> > will> > > > > > distroy> > > > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the signification> > of> > > > the> > > > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why> > it> > > > has> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need not> > > > work> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > others )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest> > > > scenario> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many persons> > > were> > > > > > under> > > > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in terms> > > of> > > > > > Landed> > > > > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this was> > so> > > > in> > > > > > > kerala> > > > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where> > > > Military> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and> > > > youths> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian> > > > deserts> > > > > > wont> > > > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may or> > > may> > > > not> > > > > > b> > > > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house of> > > its> > > > > > > > placement> > > > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I> > > found> > > > it> > > > > > > > working> > > > > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> > > > > > astrologer.. ....> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Karan"> > > > karan@> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me> > > > jupiter> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me dis-satisfaction> > > no> > > > > > matter> > > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing> > ever> > > > > > > > satisfied.> > > > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable> > > wherein> > > > i> > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and> > > creates> > > > a> > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best regards> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Karan> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit> > > concept> > > > is> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it.> > > Hence> > > > my> > > > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept> > > > -dear> > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for> > Judiciary,Teaching> > > > and> > > > > > > > Account> > > > > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is> > Natural> > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure work> > > than> > > > he> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house> > see> > > > the> > > > > > > chalit> > > > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in> > > 12th,Moon> > > > is> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house> > Ketu> > > > have> > > > > > > > placed.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > Manoj> > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out because> > > > this is> > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not> > > > necessarily> > > > > > > > great.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka> > > comcept> > > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well in> > > > kali> > > > > > yuga> > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga (> > > > means> > > > > > NON> > > > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut> > > -throat> > > > > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a> > > attitude> > > > ??> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and giv> > > only> > > > rs> > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is just> > a> > > > > > > temporary> > > > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika Loga> > > and> > > > who> > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > Manoj> > > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers,> > Guru> > > in> > > > the> > > > > > > 10H> > > > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those> > who> > > > have> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H will> > > make> > > > > > them> > > > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other> > > > people.> > > > > > Some> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb house> > > of> > > > > > > Jupiter,> > > > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances"> > the> > > > 6H of> > > > > > > > Work> > > > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult> > to> > > go> > > > > > past> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc might> > be> > > > > > denied> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one> > > factor> > > > ...> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can explain> > > > career> > > > > > > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka> > comcept> > > > -dear> > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept> > > tagging> > > > to> > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in> > 10th> > > > House> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > u> > > > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other> > > > factors> > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm Prashna> > > > charts> > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma> > ,its> > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till> > the> > > > time> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles> > and> > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like> > some> > > > > > animals> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no choices> > > > ,where> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will> > also> > > in> > > > > > > humans> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic stone> > > > > > structure> > > > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the> > > > saraswathi> > > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid> > > --just> > > > leav> > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made a> > > > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the> > statement> > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna> > and2nd> > > > lord> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of luck> > > > apart> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat> > in> > > > 2nd> > > > > > asp> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing else....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn> > being> > > > in> > > > > > your> > > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not to> > be> > > > > > blamed> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > ones> > > > > > > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances> > > done> > > > in> > > > > > > > present> > > > > > > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as> > > > Kriyamana> > > > > > > > > Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is> > > Saturn> > > > to> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest> > > > > > significator> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth and> > > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > > from family> > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives from> > > > planets> > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not> > taint> > > > them> > > > > > > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has become> > a> > > > > > > punching> > > > > > > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses> > > normal> > > > > > > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th> > house> > > > of> > > > > > karm> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas> > mars> > > is> > > > the> > > > > > > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point in> > > the> > > > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant> > > > happiness> > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > material and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the> > > Supreme> > > > Lord> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in speech> > > and> > > > > > > > treatment> > > > > > > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just> > > > instruments> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > award us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the> > > various> > > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > > just show> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the> > pains> > > > and> > > > > > > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his ancestory> > in> > > > the> > > > > > > field> > > > > > > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say> > that> > > > you> > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20> > > years> > > > ? I> > > > > > am> > > > > > > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa> > > > > > Yoganandji,> > > > > > > > His> > > > > > > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri Mahasaya,> > > and> > > > His> > > > > > > > guru> > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and> > > undermine> > > > his> > > > > > > > Gurus> > > > > > > > > by saying> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to> > look> > > > good> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if> > > normally> > > > > > > common> > > > > > > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here doing> > > > Kriya> > > > > > > yoga,> > > > > > > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed to> > > your> > > > > > name> > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the> > > Great> > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if> > one> > > > > > > considers> > > > > > > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His> > > Shishya> > > > was> > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his> > > shishya> > > > is> > > > > > > > myself> > > > > > > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which is> > > why> > > > I> > > > > > > never> > > > > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or to> > my> > > > > > > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa> > > > Yoganandji> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > last> > > > > > > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not demand> > > > respect> > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga,> > Hong> > > > Sau or> > > > > > > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you> > are> > > > doing> > > > > > > > this,> > > > > > > > > you have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear> > > ordinary> > > > and> > > > > > > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of your> > > > > > > attainments> > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and i> > > dont> > > > > > > deserve> > > > > > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but cant> > > help> > > > > > since> > > > > > > > sat> > > > > > > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real> > McCoy)and> > > a> > > > > > > > realized> > > > > > > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and> > start> > > > living> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and> > > Energisation> > > > > > > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a> > > > unique> > > > > > > member> > > > > > > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I> > > would> > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009> > > 6:58:38> > > > AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology]> > Re:> > > > > > > > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of> > adressing> > > > which> > > > > > i> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont degrade> > me> > > > with> > > > > > > sir> > > > > > > > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya> > > yoga> > > > of> > > > > > > > > paramhans> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no> > > > > > > > istadevta/kuldevta> > > > > > > > > etc,may> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my> > 9th> > > > lord> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > 5th lord as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > 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dear bhaskar ji,

" Viratha " means a particular day in a week/month we can't take food for the

whole day or take vegetarian food one time in a panana leaf.

with regards

guru.nagarajan.

 

 

--- On Wed, 30/9/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

 

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

Re: Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi

karo Sani.- A chart

 

Wednesday, 30 September, 2009, 10:38 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Shri guru Nagarajan ji,

 

// only one way to rectify that disease by take viradha for any temple

and do something for that temple. i handled lot of cases like that and

succeed all of that cases.//

 

Can You please elaborate on above. What does it mean by taking " Viradha "

to any temple ?

 

thanks and regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, " Guru.nagarajan "

<guru_naga_astrolog er wrote:

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> dear mr sunil nair ji,

> in her chart

> Â

> Â lagna aries.

> Â

> condition

> Â

> 1) if more than two graha occupaid/aspect at 12th house from lagna or

sun.

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

             Â

   " AND "

> 2) more than two graha occupaid/aspect at pisces.

> Â

> 1) you see from sun in its 12th house mercuri,venus and saturn

aspected by its 10th aspect.(three grahas)

> 2) in pisces saturn is there but exchange its house with jupitor. mars

and ketu also with jupitor. in this case we consiter in pisces

jup,mars,and kethu also there.

> Â

> for the two rules are applied to a chart they had lot of problem with

theire body. any doctor never find the reason for that disease.

> only one way to rectify that disease by take viradha for any temple

and do something for that temple.

> i handled lot of cases like that and succeed all of that cases.

> Â

> with regards

> guru.nagarajan.

> Â

> Â

> Â

>

> --- On Wed, 30/9/09, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:

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> astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana

Vriddi karo Sani.- A chart

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Wednesday, 30 September, 2009, 8:18 AM

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> Dear Vijay Goel ji

>

> Â pls see this chart

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> Natal Chart

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> Date:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â January 24, 1998

> Time:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 13:27:00

> Time Zone:Â Â Â Â 8:00:00 (East of GMT)

> Place:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 103 E 53' 00 " , 1 N 18'

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> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Gay World Park, Singapore

> Tithi:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Krishna Ekadasi (Ma)

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> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

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> Yoga:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Dhruva (Ke) (81.30%

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> Karana:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Balava (Mo) (53.72% left)

> Hora Lord:Â Â Â Â Moon (5 min sign: Vi)

> Sunrise:Â Â Â Â Â Â 7:18:15

> Sunset:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 19:14:44

>

> this is a chart of a girl -pls listen to her mom s words

>

> ############ ######### ####

>

> She has eczemya which seems to be getting from bad to worse no matter

the number pf treatments that i bring her to. She has bad skin problems

which make her feel more insecure and its a big distraction for her

studies. She is very disobidient and stubborn to everyone around her.

> She does not have any interest in studying, she gets angry and

frusturated very fast and does not listen to anyone around her. Her

studies are failing and she does not seem anxious about it too.

> ############ ######### ####

>

> if u make the chart and see aries lagna rising and 11th L sat in 12th

House and 12th LÂ jupiter is in 11th House

>

> her merc dasa is running which strted at birth and last phace which

was sani now after jupiter sub period .

>

> u all can see wheter sani has incresed ( vridhi )Â or decreased (

hani ) the good signification of the house he sits

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

> sure any one can say frm this chart the significations of gains will b

affected ( as jup in 11th and causing a hani ) so it shud hav affected

in material wealth than in the way of diseases etc

>

> This chart is in possession of another prominent memebr of this grp

too

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology,

" astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala @ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Vijay Goel Ji

> >

> > Thanks for this supposed full shloka

> >

> > when ever there was a discussion on this ADAGE all this yrs in all

> > forums of and when ever it appeared it i also challenged it

was

> > alwys quoted was in the form of last line (#### Sthana hani karo

> > jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. ######) And no one has quoted this

> > first line

> >

> > Now i am thankfull for u ,u hav givn the first line too ### Jeeva

> > Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.###

> >

> > Those days no one quoted this missing first Line even when

challenged

> > it they rather escaped the discussion saying some credential abt

him/

> > family or parampara ( u can also refer in this grp too as i dont

want to

> > name any body ), even some one was claiming as if thier some family

> > Elder/or his guru is originator of this shloka and i shud respect it

> > .That has created more anguish in me as i know what all this so

called

> > adages ( luggages ) has destroyed how many persons reputation and

> > ability to predict .

> >

> > Now let us come down to basics ,what abt basics u learned

> >

> > what abt ishta parivarthan ? what abt dushta parivarthan ,what abt

> > dainya parivarthan ?? Even what abt daridra yoga tru parivarthan ??

> >

> > do u think all this time it will work on that way mentioned in this

> > shloka

> >

> > if u question again ,u can see more additions to sloka s appearing

> >

> > By the by do u hav any idea what is the source of this shloka than

any

> > thing written in sanskrit has any authenticity

> >

> > if Jupiter is Lagna lord and sani is 2nd/3rd lord and sani in lagna

and

> > how u predict this

> >

> > if jupiter is 4th Lord and lagna Lord and in 3rd house and sani in

4th

> > house ,how u take it ??

> >

> > if jupiter is 8th Lord and sani is 9th L and in parivarthan how u

take

> > it

> >

> > if jupiter is 7th L and sani is 8th Lord and sani in 7th house how u

> > take this

> >

> > all same results ??

> >

> > do we need the crutches of a shloka for all this situations to

arrive

> > results based on pure logic s

> >

> > sure one tree wont make a forest ,so one sani or one jup is not

ultimate

> > idea to see the chart and chart will get modify on various factors

,but

> > here i am asking the pure logic

> >

> > if we know Logics in proper way we can make 1000s of new yogas .Even

> > better than misleading one .

> >

> > rgrds sunil nair

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel "

> > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,

> > >

> > > The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows :

> > >

> > > Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.

> > > Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.

> > >

> > > This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.

> > >

> > > This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in the

> > > Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002 issue.

> > >

> > > Thankyou,

> > > Regards,

> > > Vijay Goel

> > > jaipur

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" astro_tellerkerala "

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > dear Goel Ji

> > > >

> > > > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but

> > > >

> > > > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange

> > > >

> > > > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga

s,Max

> > > > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic

concepts

> > in

> > > > astrology

> > > >

> > > > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it

> > > >

> > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, gopal

krishna goel

> > > > g.k.goel@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:

> > > > > " If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn

> > > > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava "

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > G. K. Goel

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@

> > > > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000

> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept -dear

Gopi

> > > Jee

> >

> > > > > Dear gopi ji

> > > > >

> > > > > sure ,Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" gopalakrishna "

> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks... .

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > " astro_tellerkerala "

> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > XXXXX " " " " Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau

> > > > > > > shani: " " " " " " " XXXXXX

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > " astro_tellerkerala "

> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi JI

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some

> > forumites

> > > > may b

> > > > > > > > knowing it

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------ something like this i blv

> > ,means

> > > > sat

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and

> > will

> > > > > > distroy

> > > > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the

signification

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation

why

> > it

> > > > has

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need

not

> > > > work

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > others )

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is

latest

> > > > scenario

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many

persons

> > > were

> > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in

terms

> > > of

> > > > > > Landed

> > > > > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this

was

> > so

> > > > in

> > > > > > > kerala

> > > > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history

where

> > > > Military

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids

and

> > > > youths

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian

> > > > deserts

> > > > > > wont

> > > > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may

or

> > > may

> > > > not

> > > > > > b

> > > > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house

of

> > > its

> > > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat

vice-verse.I

> > > found

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > working

> > > > > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known

> > > > > > astrologer.. ....

> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

" Karan "

> > > > karan@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for

me

> > > > jupiter

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me

dis-satisfaction

> > > no

> > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but

nothing

> > ever

> > > > > > > > satisfied.

> > > > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable

> > > wherein

> > > > i

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and

> > > creates

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction again.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not

happiness.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > best regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Karan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

Manoj

> > > > Chandran

> > > > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit

> > > concept

> > > > is

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using

it.

> > > Hence

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka

comcept

> > > > -dear

> > > > > > > Gopi

> > > > > > > > > Jee

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for

> > Judiciary,Teaching

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Account

> > > > > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is

> > Natural

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure

work

> > > than

> > > > he

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th

house

> > see

> > > > the

> > > > > > > chalit

> > > > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in

> > > 12th,Moon

> > > > is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house

> > Ketu

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > placed.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com,

> > > Manoj

> > > > > > > Chandran

> > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out

because

> > > > this is

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not

> > > > necessarily

> > > > > > > > great.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala

 

> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka

> > > comcept

> > > > > > -dear

> > > > > > > > Gopi

> > > > > > > > > Jee

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board

well in

> > > > kali

> > > > > > yuga

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala

Yoga (

> > > > means

> > > > > > NON

> > > > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut

> > > -throat

> > > > > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a

> > > attitude

> > > > ??

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and

giv

> > > only

> > > > rs

> > > > > > 2

> > > > > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is

just

> > a

> > > > > > > temporary

> > > > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika

Loga

> > > and

> > > > who

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com,

> > > > Manoj

> > > > > > > > Chandran

> > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers,

> > Guru

> > > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > 10H

> > > > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for

those

> > who

> > > > have

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H

will

> > > make

> > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under

other

> > > > people.

> > > > > > Some

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb

house

> > > of

> > > > > > > Jupiter,

> > > > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it

" enhances "

> > the

> > > > 6H of

> > > > > > > > Work

> > > > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it

difficult

> > to

> > > go

> > > > > > past

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > " worker " mode to the " boss " mode. So promotions etc

might

> > be

> > > > > > denied

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one

> > > factor

> > > > ...

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can

explain

> > > > career

> > > > > > > > > problems with this placement.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@

....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka

> > comcept

> > > > -dear

> > > > > > > Gopi

> > > > > > > > > Jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept

> > > tagging

> > > > to

> > > > > > > Natal

> > > > > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi

dictums

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in

> > 10th

> > > > House

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > u

> > > > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with

other

> > > > factors

> > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm

Prashna

> > > > charts

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's

karma

> > ,its

> > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification

till

> > the

> > > > time

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles

> > and

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human

Like

> > some

> > > > > > animals

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no

choices

> > > > ,where

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will

> > also

> > > in

> > > > > > > humans

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic

stone

> > > > > > structure

> > > > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the

> > > > saraswathi

> > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid

> > > --just

> > > > leav

> > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > com,

> > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ .> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just

made a

> > > > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the

> > statement

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna

> > and2nd

> > > > lord

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > speach(note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of

luck

> > > > apart

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > VRY

> > > > > > > > > can talk

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with

sat

> > in

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > asp

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > badhaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing

else....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

.

> > > com,

> > > > > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn

> > being

> > > > in

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not

to

> > be

> > > > > > blamed

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > poorva

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous

utterances

> > > done

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > Life as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or

as

> > > > Kriyamana

> > > > > > > > > Karmas. Why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is

> > > Saturn

> > > > to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > blamed kindly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest

> > > > > > significator

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth

and

> > > > > > happiness

> > > > > > > > > from family

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives

from

> > > > planets

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not

> > taint

> > > > them

> > > > > > > > > unnecessarily.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has

become

> > a

> > > > > > > punching

> > > > > > > > > bag for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just

uses

> > > normal

> > > > > > > > > commonsense one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th

> > house

> > > > of

> > > > > > karm

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > resultant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas

> > mars

> > > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > agression in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation

point in

> > > the

> > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > 10th. Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant

> > > > happiness

> > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > material and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the

> > > Supreme

> > > > Lord

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > one must

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in

speech

> > > and

> > > > > > > > treatment

> > > > > > > > > . remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just

> > > > instruments

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > award us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the

> > > various

> > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > just show

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the

> > pains

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > pleasures which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

.

> > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his

ancestory

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > he is in.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say

> > that

> > > > you

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > doing Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last

20

> > > years

> > > > ? I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > sure you know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri

Paramhansa

> > > > > > Yoganandji,

> > > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > guru Shri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri

Mahasaya,

> > > and

> > > > His

> > > > > > > > guru

> > > > > > > > > Shri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and

> > > undermine

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > Gurus

> > > > > > > > > by saying

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to

> > look

> > > > good

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > saying that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if

> > > normally

> > > > > > > common

> > > > > > > > > uniqueness

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here

doing

> > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > yoga,

> > > > > > > > > as must be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a " Shri " addressed

to

> > > your

> > > > > > name

> > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > with above ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of

the

> > > Great

> > > > > > > > Astrologer

> > > > > > > > > Shri K S

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara

if

> > one

> > > > > > > considers

> > > > > > > > > the term as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His

> > > Shishya

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > Shri

> > > > > > > > > kasbe ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his

> > > shishya

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > myself

> > > > > > > > > as having

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly.

Which is

> > > why

> > > > I

> > > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or

to

> > my

> > > > > > > > knowledge.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa

> > > > Yoganandji

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > 15 Years

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not

demand

> > > > respect

> > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga,

> > Hong

> > > > Sau or

> > > > > > > > > energisations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since

you

> > are

> > > > doing

> > > > > > > > this,

> > > > > > > > > you have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear

> > > ordinary

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > unnecessary

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of

your

> > > > > > > attainments

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > .

> > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique

and i

> > > dont

> > > > > > > deserve

> > > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but

cant

> > > help

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > sat

> > > > > > > > > in my 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real

> > McCoy)and

> > > a

> > > > > > > > realized

> > > > > > > > > one whom i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and

> > start

> > > > living

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > made me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > > .

> > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and

> > > Energisation

> > > > > > > > > excersises of Shri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are

a

> > > > unique

> > > > > > > member

> > > > > > > > > in this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > august

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix " Shri " also

I

> > > would

> > > > > > > > consider

> > > > > > > > > as most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________

__

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > > > .

> > > > > > com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009

> > > 6:58:38

> > > > AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_

astrology]

> > Re:

> > > > > > > > Neechabanga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of

> > adressing

> > > > which

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont

degrade

> > me

> > > > with

> > > > > > > sir

> > > > > > > > > etc.Manoj ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of

kriya

> > > yoga

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > paramhans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no

> > > > > > > > istadevta/kuldevta

> > > > > > > > > etc,may

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with

my

> > 9th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 5th lord as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Sunil Nairji,

 

In this chart, infact we donot need this sloke to explain anything.

 

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

 

, " astro_tellerkerala "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

> Dear Vijay Goel ji

>

> pls see this chart

>

>

> Natal Chart

>

> January 24, 1998

> Time: 13:27:00

> Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 103 E 53' 00 " , 1 N 18' 00 "

> Gay World Park, Singapore

> Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (26.86% left)

> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

> Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (82.74% left)

> Yoga: Dhruva (Ke) (81.30% left)

> Karana: Balava (Mo) (53.72% left)

> Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Vi)

> Sunrise: 7:18:15

> Sunset: 19:14:44

>

> this is a chart of a girl -pls listen to her mom s words

>

> #########################

>

> She has eczemya which seems to be getting from bad to worse no matter

> the number pf treatments that i bring her to. She has bad skin problems

> which make her feel more insecure and its a big distraction for her

> studies. She is very disobidient and stubborn to everyone around her.

> She does not have any interest in studying, she gets angry and

> frusturated very fast and does not listen to anyone around her. Her

> studies are failing and she does not seem anxious about it too.

> #########################

>

> if u make the chart and see aries lagna rising and 11th L sat in 12th

> House and 12th L jupiter is in 11th House

>

> her merc dasa is running which strted at birth and last phace which was

> sani now after jupiter sub period .

>

> u all can see wheter sani has incresed ( vridhi ) or decreased ( hani )

> the good signification of the house he sits

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

> sure any one can say frm this chart the significations of gains will b

> affected ( as jup in 11th and causing a hani ) so it shud hav affected

> in material wealth than in the way of diseases etc

>

> This chart is in possession of another prominent memebr of this grp too

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

> , " astro_tellerkerala "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Vijay Goel Ji

> >

> > Thanks for this supposed full shloka

> >

> > when ever there was a discussion on this ADAGE all this yrs in all

> > forums of and when ever it appeared it i also challenged it was

> > alwys quoted was in the form of last line (#### Sthana hani karo

> > jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. ######) And no one has quoted this

> > first line

> >

> > Now i am thankfull for u ,u hav givn the first line too ### Jeeva

> > Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.###

> >

> > Those days no one quoted this missing first Line even when challenged

> > it they rather escaped the discussion saying some credential abt him/

> > family or parampara ( u can also refer in this grp too as i dont want

> to

> > name any body ), even some one was claiming as if thier some family

> > Elder/or his guru is originator of this shloka and i shud respect it

> > .That has created more anguish in me as i know what all this so called

> > adages ( luggages ) has destroyed how many persons reputation and

> > ability to predict .

> >

> > Now let us come down to basics ,what abt basics u learned

> >

> > what abt ishta parivarthan ? what abt dushta parivarthan ,what abt

> > dainya parivarthan ?? Even what abt daridra yoga tru parivarthan ??

> >

> > do u think all this time it will work on that way mentioned in this

> > shloka

> >

> > if u question again ,u can see more additions to sloka s appearing

> >

> > By the by do u hav any idea what is the source of this shloka than any

> > thing written in sanskrit has any authenticity

> >

> > if Jupiter is Lagna lord and sani is 2nd/3rd lord and sani in lagna

> and

> > how u predict this

> >

> > if jupiter is 4th Lord and lagna Lord and in 3rd house and sani in 4th

> > house ,how u take it ??

> >

> > if jupiter is 8th Lord and sani is 9th L and in parivarthan how u take

> > it

> >

> > if jupiter is 7th L and sani is 8th Lord and sani in 7th house how u

> > take this

> >

> > all same results ??

> >

> > do we need the crutches of a shloka for all this situations to arrive

> > results based on pure logic s

> >

> > sure one tree wont make a forest ,so one sani or one jup is not

> ultimate

> > idea to see the chart and chart will get modify on various factors

> ,but

> > here i am asking the pure logic

> >

> > if we know Logics in proper way we can make 1000s of new yogas .Even

> > better than misleading one .

> >

> > rgrds sunil nair

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " vijay.goel "

> > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,

> > >

> > > The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows :

> > >

> > > Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.

> > > Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.

> > >

> > > This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.

> > >

> > > This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in the

> > > Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002 issue.

> > >

> > > Thankyou,

> > > Regards,

> > > Vijay Goel

> > > jaipur

> > >

> > > ,

> " astro_tellerkerala "

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > dear Goel Ji

> > > >

> > > > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but

> > > >

> > > > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange

> > > >

> > > > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max

> > > > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic

> concepts

> > in

> > > > astrology

> > > >

> > > > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it

> > > >

> > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , gopal krishna

> goel

> > > > g.k.goel@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:

> > > > > " If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn

> > > > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava "

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > G. K. Goel

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@

> > > > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000

> > > > > Re: Badaka comcept -dear

> Gopi

> > > Jee

> >

> > > > > Dear gopi ji

> > > > >

> > > > > sure ,Thanks

> > > > >

> > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " gopalakrishna "

> > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks....

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > ,

> > > > " astro_tellerkerala "

> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > XXXXX " " " " Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau

> > > > > > > shani: " " " " " " " XXXXXX

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

> > > > " astro_tellerkerala "

> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi JI

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some

> > forumites

> > > > may b

> > > > > > > > knowing it

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------something like this i blv

> > ,means

> > > > sat

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and

> > will

> > > > > > distroy

> > > > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the

> signification

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why

> > it

> > > > has

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need

> not

> > > > work

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > others )

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest

> > > > scenario

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many

> persons

> > > were

> > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in

> terms

> > > of

> > > > > > Landed

> > > > > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this

> was

> > so

> > > > in

> > > > > > > kerala

> > > > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where

> > > > Military

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and

> > > > youths

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian

> > > > deserts

> > > > > > wont

> > > > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may

> or

> > > may

> > > > not

> > > > > > b

> > > > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

> > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house

> of

> > > its

> > > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I

> > > found

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > working

> > > > > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known

> > > > > > astrologer......

> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > , " Karan "

> > > > karan@

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me

> > > > jupiter

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me

> dis-satisfaction

> > > no

> > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing

> > ever

> > > > > > > > satisfied.

> > > > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable

> > > wherein

> > > > i

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and

> > > creates

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction again.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > best regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Karan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , Manoj

> > > > Chandran

> > > > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit

> > > concept

> > > > is

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it.

> > > Hence

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Badaka

> comcept

> > > > -dear

> > > > > > > Gopi

> > > > > > > > > Jee

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for

> > Judiciary,Teaching

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > Account

> > > > > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is

> > Natural

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure

> work

> > > than

> > > > he

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house

> > see

> > > > the

> > > > > > > chalit

> > > > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in

> > > 12th,Moon

> > > > is

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house

> > Ketu

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > placed.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > Manoj

> > > > > > > Chandran

> > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out

> because

> > > > this is

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not

> > > > necessarily

> > > > > > > > great.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala

> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka

> > > comcept

> > > > > > -dear

> > > > > > > > Gopi

> > > > > > > > > Jee

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well

> in

> > > > kali

> > > > > > yuga

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga

> (

> > > > means

> > > > > > NON

> > > > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut

> > > -throat

> > > > > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a

> > > attitude

> > > > ??

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and

> giv

> > > only

> > > > rs

> > > > > > 2

> > > > > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is

> just

> > a

> > > > > > > temporary

> > > > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika

> Loga

> > > and

> > > > who

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com,

> > > > Manoj

> > > > > > > > Chandran

> > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers,

> > Guru

> > > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > 10H

> > > > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those

> > who

> > > > have

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H

> will

> > > make

> > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other

> > > > people.

> > > > > > Some

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb

> house

> > > of

> > > > > > > Jupiter,

> > > > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it " enhances "

> > the

> > > > 6H of

> > > > > > > > Work

> > > > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult

> > to

> > > go

> > > > > > past

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > " worker " mode to the " boss " mode. So promotions etc

> might

> > be

> > > > > > denied

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one

> > > factor

> > > > ...

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can

> explain

> > > > career

> > > > > > > > > problems with this placement.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka

> > comcept

> > > > -dear

> > > > > > > Gopi

> > > > > > > > > Jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept

> > > tagging

> > > > to

> > > > > > > Natal

> > > > > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in

> > 10th

> > > > House

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > u

> > > > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other

> > > > factors

> > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm

> Prashna

> > > > charts

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma

> > ,its

> > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till

> > the

> > > > time

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles

> > and

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like

> > some

> > > > > > animals

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no

> choices

> > > > ,where

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will

> > also

> > > in

> > > > > > > humans

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic

> stone

> > > > > > structure

> > > > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the

> > > > saraswathi

> > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid

> > > --just

> > > > leav

> > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > com,

> > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ .> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made

> a

> > > > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the

> > statement

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna

> > and2nd

> > > > lord

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > speach(note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of

> luck

> > > > apart

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > VRY

> > > > > > > > > can talk

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat

> > in

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > asp

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > badhaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing

> else....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > com,

> > > > > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn

> > being

> > > > in

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not

> to

> > be

> > > > > > blamed

> > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > poorva

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances

> > > done

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > Life as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as

> > > > Kriyamana

> > > > > > > > > Karmas. Why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is

> > > Saturn

> > > > to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > blamed kindly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest

> > > > > > significator

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth

> and

> > > > > > happiness

> > > > > > > > > from family

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives

> from

> > > > planets

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not

> > taint

> > > > them

> > > > > > > > > unnecessarily.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has

> become

> > a

> > > > > > > punching

> > > > > > > > > bag for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses

> > > normal

> > > > > > > > > commonsense one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th

> > house

> > > > of

> > > > > > karm

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > resultant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas

> > mars

> > > is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > agression in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point

> in

> > > the

> > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > 10th. Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant

> > > > happiness

> > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > material and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the

> > > Supreme

> > > > Lord

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > one must

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in

> speech

> > > and

> > > > > > > > treatment

> > > > > > > > > . remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just

> > > > instruments

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > award us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the

> > > various

> > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > just show

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the

> > pains

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > pleasures which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> .

> > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his

> ancestory

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > he is in.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say

> > that

> > > > you

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > doing Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20

> > > years

> > > > ? I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > sure you know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa

> > > > > > Yoganandji,

> > > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > guru Shri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri

> Mahasaya,

> > > and

> > > > His

> > > > > > > > guru

> > > > > > > > > Shri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and

> > > undermine

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > Gurus

> > > > > > > > > by saying

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to

> > look

> > > > good

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > saying that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if

> > > normally

> > > > > > > common

> > > > > > > > > uniqueness

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here

> doing

> > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > yoga,

> > > > > > > > > as must be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a " Shri " addressed

> to

> > > your

> > > > > > name

> > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > with above ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the

> > > Great

> > > > > > > > Astrologer

> > > > > > > > > Shri K S

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if

> > one

> > > > > > > considers

> > > > > > > > > the term as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His

> > > Shishya

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > Shri

> > > > > > > > > kasbe ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his

> > > shishya

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > myself

> > > > > > > > > as having

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which

> is

> > > why

> > > > I

> > > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or

> to

> > my

> > > > > > > > knowledge.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa

> > > > Yoganandji

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > 15 Years

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not

> demand

> > > > respect

> > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga,

> > Hong

> > > > Sau or

> > > > > > > > > energisations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you

> > are

> > > > doing

> > > > > > > > this,

> > > > > > > > > you have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear

> > > ordinary

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > unnecessary

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of

> your

> > > > > > > attainments

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > .

> > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and

> i

> > > dont

> > > > > > > deserve

> > > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but

> cant

> > > help

> > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > sat

> > > > > > > > > in my 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real

> > McCoy)and

> > > a

> > > > > > > > realized

> > > > > > > > > one whom i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and

> > start

> > > > living

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > made me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > > .

> > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and

> > > Energisation

> > > > > > > > > excersises of Shri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a

> > > > unique

> > > > > > > member

> > > > > > > > > in this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > august

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix " Shri " also I

> > > would

> > > > > > > > consider

> > > > > > > > > as most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > > > .

> > > > > > com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009

> > > 6:58:38

> > > > AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology]

> > Re:

> > > > > > > > Neechabanga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of

> > adressing

> > > > which

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont

> degrade

> > me

> > > > with

> > > > > > > sir

> > > > > > > > > etc.Manoj ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya

> > > yoga

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > paramhans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no

> > > > > > > > istadevta/kuldevta

> > > > > > > > > etc,may

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my

> > 9th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 5th lord as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Vijay Goel Ji sure ,That sloka was no way supportiv or helps in aiding a student or a astrologers in accurate predictions even our GK goel saab has said it is abt parivarthana yoga s in ur shloka it says the sani /jup in mutual signs ( i still dont know is it implies together ( then it is parivarhtan yoga only ) or seperately as diffrnt cases ) Both ways we can find it no way supported any claims Sage garga and mantreswara giv a spl case for sani for Sagitarious lagna i think sani shud join sun here and some other conditions like Moon etc shud b strong .Other than this case and sani alone in jupiterian signs in dasa ( not bhava hani or vridhi ) is generaly good ,but kendra shud hav benefics i think to fully blossom the results .i am to find sani in such a position aiding a nativ to attain some thing extra ordinary unless some exceptions r there and applicable .pls try any chart of ur direct knowledge and let us try .i stand to correct my understanding when a dictum is working at least in 80% of the charts thanks rgrds sunil nair , "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nairji,> > In this chart, infact we donot need this sloke to explain anything.> > Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> > , "astro_tellerkerala" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji> > > > pls see this chart> > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > January 24, 1998> > Time: 13:27:00> > Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT)> > Place: 103 E 53' 00", 1 N 18' 00"> > Gay World Park, Singapore> > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (26.86% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (82.74% left)> > Yoga: Dhruva (Ke) (81.30% left)> > Karana: Balava (Mo) (53.72% left)> > Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Vi)> > Sunrise: 7:18:15> > Sunset: 19:14:44> > > > this is a chart of a girl -pls listen to her mom s words> > > > #########################> > > > She has eczemya which seems to be getting from bad to worse no matter> > the number pf treatments that i bring her to. She has bad skin problems> > which make her feel more insecure and its a big distraction for her> > studies. She is very disobidient and stubborn to everyone around her.> > She does not have any interest in studying, she gets angry and> > frusturated very fast and does not listen to anyone around her. Her> > studies are failing and she does not seem anxious about it too.> > #########################> > > > if u make the chart and see aries lagna rising and 11th L sat in 12th> > House and 12th L jupiter is in 11th House> > > > her merc dasa is running which strted at birth and last phace which was> > sani now after jupiter sub period .> > > > u all can see wheter sani has incresed ( vridhi ) or decreased ( hani )> > the good signification of the house he sits> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > sure any one can say frm this chart the significations of gains will b> > affected ( as jup in 11th and causing a hani ) so it shud hav affected> > in material wealth than in the way of diseases etc> > > > This chart is in possession of another prominent memebr of this grp too> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > , "astro_tellerkerala"> > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Vijay Goel Ji> > >> > > Thanks for this supposed full shloka> > >> > > when ever there was a discussion on this ADAGE all this yrs in all> > > forums of and when ever it appeared it i also challenged it was> > > alwys quoted was in the form of last line (#### Sthana hani karo> > > jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. ######) And no one has quoted this> > > first line> > >> > > Now i am thankfull for u ,u hav givn the first line too ### Jeeva> > > Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.###> > >> > > Those days no one quoted this missing first Line even when challenged> > > it they rather escaped the discussion saying some credential abt him/> > > family or parampara ( u can also refer in this grp too as i dont want> > to> > > name any body ), even some one was claiming as if thier some family> > > Elder/or his guru is originator of this shloka and i shud respect it> > > .That has created more anguish in me as i know what all this so called> > > adages ( luggages ) has destroyed how many persons reputation and> > > ability to predict .> > >> > > Now let us come down to basics ,what abt basics u learned> > >> > > what abt ishta parivarthan ? what abt dushta parivarthan ,what abt> > > dainya parivarthan ?? Even what abt daridra yoga tru parivarthan ??> > >> > > do u think all this time it will work on that way mentioned in this> > > shloka> > >> > > if u question again ,u can see more additions to sloka s appearing> > >> > > By the by do u hav any idea what is the source of this shloka than any> > > thing written in sanskrit has any authenticity> > >> > > if Jupiter is Lagna lord and sani is 2nd/3rd lord and sani in lagna> > and> > > how u predict this> > >> > > if jupiter is 4th Lord and lagna Lord and in 3rd house and sani in 4th> > > house ,how u take it ??> > >> > > if jupiter is 8th Lord and sani is 9th L and in parivarthan how u take> > > it> > >> > > if jupiter is 7th L and sani is 8th Lord and sani in 7th house how u> > > take this> > >> > > all same results ??> > >> > > do we need the crutches of a shloka for all this situations to arrive> > > results based on pure logic s> > >> > > sure one tree wont make a forest ,so one sani or one jup is not> > ultimate> > > idea to see the chart and chart will get modify on various factors> > ,but> > > here i am asking the pure logic> > >> > > if we know Logics in proper way we can make 1000s of new yogas .Even> > > better than misleading one .> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "vijay.goel"> > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,> > > >> > > > The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows :> > > >> > > > Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.> > > > Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.> > > >> > > > This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.> > > >> > > > This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in the> > > > Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002 issue.> > > >> > > > Thankyou,> > > > Regards,> > > > Vijay Goel> > > > jaipur> > > >> > > > ,> > "astro_tellerkerala"> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear Goel Ji> > > > >> > > > > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but> > > > >> > > > > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange> > > > >> > > > > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max> > > > > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic> > concepts> > > in> > > > > astrology> > > > >> > > > > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , gopal krishna> > goel> > > > > g.k.goel@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:> > > > > > "If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn> > > > > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava"> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > G. K. Goel> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000> > > > > > Re: Badaka comcept -dear> > Gopi> > > > Jee> > >> > > > > > Dear gopi ji> > > > > >> > > > > > sure ,Thanks> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "gopalakrishna"> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks....> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > ,> > > > > "astro_tellerkerala"> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some> > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > > > > > > > shani:"""""""XXXXXX> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ,> > > > > "astro_tellerkerala"> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi JI> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some> > > forumites> > > > > may b> > > > > > > > > knowing it> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------something like this i blv> > > ,means> > > > > sat> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and> > > will> > > > > > > distroy> > > > > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the> > signification> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why> > > it> > > > > has> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need> > not> > > > > work> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > others )> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest> > > > > scenario> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many> > persons> > > > were> > > > > > > under> > > > > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in> > terms> > > > of> > > > > > > Landed> > > > > > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this> > was> > > so> > > > > in> > > > > > > > kerala> > > > > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where> > > > > Military> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and> > > > > youths> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian> > > > > deserts> > > > > > > wont> > > > > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may> > or> > > > may> > > > > not> > > > > > > b> > > > > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ,> > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house> > of> > > > its> > > > > > > > > placement> > > > > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I> > > > found> > > > > it> > > > > > > > > working> > > > > > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> > > > > > > astrologer......> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > , "Karan"> > > > > karan@> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me> > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me> > dis-satisfaction> > > > no> > > > > > > matter> > > > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing> > > ever> > > > > > > > > satisfied.> > > > > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable> > > > wherein> > > > > i> > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and> > > > creates> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > best regards> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Karan> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > , Manoj> > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit> > > > concept> > > > > is> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it.> > > > Hence> > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Badaka> > comcept> > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for> > > Judiciary,Teaching> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > Account> > > > > > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is> > > Natural> > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure> > work> > > > than> > > > > he> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house> > > see> > > > > the> > > > > > > > chalit> > > > > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in> > > > 12th,Moon> > > > > is> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house> > > Ketu> > > > > have> > > > > > > > > placed.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > Manoj> > > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out> > because> > > > > this is> > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not> > > > > necessarily> > > > > > > > > great.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka> > > > comcept> > > > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well> > in> > > > > kali> > > > > > > yuga> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga> > (> > > > > means> > > > > > > NON> > > > > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut> > > > -throat> > > > > > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a> > > > attitude> > > > > ??> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and> > giv> > > > only> > > > > rs> > > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is> > just> > > a> > > > > > > > temporary> > > > > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika> > Loga> > > > and> > > > > who> > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > Manoj> > > > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers,> > > Guru> > > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > > > 10H> > > > > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those> > > who> > > > > have> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H> > will> > > > make> > > > > > > them> > > > > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other> > > > > people.> > > > > > > Some> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb> > house> > > > of> > > > > > > > Jupiter,> > > > > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances"> > > the> > > > > 6H of> > > > > > > > > Work> > > > > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult> > > to> > > > go> > > > > > > past> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc> > might> > > be> > > > > > > denied> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one> > > > factor> > > > > ...> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can> > explain> > > > > career> > > > > > > > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka> > > comcept> > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept> > > > tagging> > > > > to> > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in> > > 10th> > > > > House> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > u> > > > > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other> > > > > factors> > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm> > Prashna> > > > > charts> > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma> > > ,its> > > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till> > > the> > > > > time> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles> > > and> > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like> > > some> > > > > > > animals> > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no> > choices> > > > > ,where> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will> > > also> > > > in> > > > > > > > humans> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic> > stone> > > > > > > structure> > > > > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the> > > > > saraswathi> > > > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid> > > > --just> > > > > leav> > > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made> > a> > > > > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the> > > statement> > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna> > > and2nd> > > > > lord> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of> > luck> > > > > apart> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat> > > in> > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > asp> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing> > else....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn> > > being> > > > > in> > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not> > to> > > be> > > > > > > blamed> > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > ones> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances> > > > done> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > present> > > > > > > > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as> > > > > Kriyamana> > > > > > > > > > Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is> > > > Saturn> > > > > to> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest> > > > > > > significator> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth> > and> > > > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > > > from family> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives> > from> > > > > planets> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not> > > taint> > > > > them> > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has> > become> > > a> > > > > > > > punching> > > > > > > > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses> > > > normal> > > > > > > > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th> > > house> > > > > of> > > > > > > karm> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas> > > mars> > > > is> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point> > in> > > > the> > > > > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant> > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > material and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the> > > > Supreme> > > > > Lord> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in> > speech> > > > and> > > > > > > > > treatment> > > > > > > > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just> > > > > instruments> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > award us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the> > > > various> > > > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > > > just show> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the> > > pains> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his> > ancestory> > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > > > field> > > > > > > > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say> > > that> > > > > you> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20> > > > years> > > > > ? I> > > > > > > am> > > > > > > > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa> > > > > > > Yoganandji,> > > > > > > > > His> > > > > > > > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri> > Mahasaya,> > > > and> > > > > His> > > > > > > > > guru> > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and> > > > undermine> > > > > his> > > > > > > > > Gurus> > > > > > > > > > by saying> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to> > > look> > > > > good> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if> > > > normally> > > > > > > > common> > > > > > > > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here> > doing> > > > > Kriya> > > > > > > > yoga,> > > > > > > > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed> > to> > > > your> > > > > > > name> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the> > > > Great> > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if> > > one> > > > > > > > considers> > > > > > > > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His> > > > Shishya> > > > > was> > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his> > > > shishya> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > myself> > > > > > > > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which> > is> > > > why> > > > > I> > > > > > > > never> > > > > > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or> > to> > > my> > > > > > > > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa> > > > > Yoganandji> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > last> > > > > > > > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not> > demand> > > > > respect> > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga,> > > Hong> > > > > Sau or> > > > > > > > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you> > > are> > > > > doing> > > > > > > > > this,> > > > > > > > > > you have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear> > > > ordinary> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of> > your> > > > > > > > attainments> > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and> > i> > > > dont> > > > > > > > deserve> > > > > > > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but> > cant> > > > help> > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > sat> > > > > > > > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real> > > McCoy)and> > > > a> > > > > > > > > realized> > > > > > > > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and> > > start> > > > > living> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and> > > > Energisation> > > > > > > > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a> > > > > unique> > > > > > > > member> > > > > > > > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I> > > > would> > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > .> > > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009> > > > 6:58:38> > > > > AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology]> > > Re:> > > > > > > > > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of> > > adressing> > > > > which> > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont> > degrade> > > me> > > > > with> > > > > > > > sir> > > > > > > > > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya> > > > yoga> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > paramhans> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no> > > > > > > > > istadevta/kuldevta> > > > > > > > > > etc,may> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my> > > 9th> > > > > lord> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > 5th lord as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > _______________> > > > > > More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows> > > Live™.> > > > > 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Dear Guru Nagarajan Ji Thanks for ur post That fellow dont hav any Phychological problem ,nor i think has any problem frm any kind of evil entinties tho many time he expressed wish to see this goblins/preta/pisacha etc but never was successful Evil mind is a possibility rgrds sunil nair , "Guru.nagarajan" <guru_naga_astrologer wrote:>> dear mr sunil ji,> ///what r all the disease this nativ can hav ///>  > i never tell the particular diseas of that type of chart. but if they suffering some diseases then the reason for that disease can't found.> and may be they r suffer by sphycologically. i.e., if u beleive the evil soul may affect them. > (12th house also represent our re-birth, the soul attach/detach our body)> sun represent Admakaraka, also lagna said theire soul type of a person.>  > with regards> guru.nagarajan.>  >  > > > > > --- On Wed, 30/9/09, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala Re: Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.- A chart> > Wednesday, 30 September, 2009, 1:27 PM> > >  > > > > > Dear guru Nagarajan Ji > >  pls follow the post ,pls see the header of this post and ur contribution to the said aspect would hav been most appreciated .> > i never posted the chart to get a readings.> > > Even any one giving a reading is not a crime too as none of their family is memebr of this grp and it wont amnt to reading service too ( which is grp is not formed for ) ,tho it is against the guidelines mentioned in the home page of this grp .> > Now let us hav some discussion .> > U said planets in 12th House to sun if it is doubly afflicted it will giv roga > > i hav one chart sun in mesa ,sani in makra and rahu in karkataka ( with mars )> > and jupiter and venus is in 12th to sun ,so according to me there is 2 malefic aspect on this planets ( atleast a dozn memebrs of our grp will vouch for the authenticity of this chart ) And it is in pisces too > > how do u rate it > > what r all the disease this nativ can hav > > rgrds sunil nair > > Ps ,shri bhaskar ji asked a question --what is Viradha ?Even i hav No idea ,so u can answer it > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Guru.nagarajan" <guru_naga_astrologe r wrote:> >> > dear mr sunil nair ji,> > in her chart> >  > >  lagna aries.> >  > > condition> >  > > 1) if more than two graha occupaid/aspect at 12th house from lagna or sun.> >                                "AND"> > 2) more than two graha occupaid/aspect at pisces.> >  > > 1) you see from sun in its 12th house mercuri,venus and saturn aspected by its 10th aspect.(three grahas)> > 2) in pisces saturn is there but exchange its house with jupitor. mars and ketu also with jupitor. in this case we consiter in pisces jup,mars,and kethu also there.> >  > > for the two rules are applied to a chart they had lot of problem with theire body. any doctor never find the reason for that disease.> > only one way to rectify that disease by take viradha for any temple and do something for that temple.> > i handled lot of cases like that and succeed all of that cases.> >  > > with regards> > guru.nagarajan.> >  > >  > >  > > > > --- On Wed, 30/9/09, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.- A chart> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, 30 September, 2009, 8:18 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji > > > >  pls see this chart > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > Date:         January 24, 1998> > Time:         13:27:00> > Time Zone:    8:00:00 (East of GMT)> > Place:        103 E 53' 00", 1 N 18' 00"> >               Gay World Park, Singapore> > Tithi:        Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (26.86% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > Nakshatra:    Jyeshtha (Me) (82.74% left)> > Yoga:         Dhruva (Ke) (81.30% left)> > Karana:       Balava (Mo) (53.72% left)> > Hora Lord:    Moon (5 min sign: Vi)> > Sunrise:      7:18:15> > Sunset:       19:14:44> > > > this is a chart of a girl -pls listen to her mom s words > > > > ############ ######### ####> > > > She has eczemya which seems to be getting from bad to worse no matter the number pf treatments that i bring her to. She has bad skin problems which make her feel more insecure and its a big distraction for her studies. She is very disobidient and stubborn to everyone around her.> > She does not have any interest in studying, she gets angry and frusturated very fast and does not listen to anyone around her. Her studies are failing and she does not seem anxious about it too.> > ############ ######### ####> > > > if u make the chart and see aries lagna rising and 11th L sat in 12th House and 12th L jupiter is in 11th House > > > > her merc dasa is running which strted at birth and last phace which was sani now after jupiter sub period .> > > > u all can see wheter sani has incresed ( vridhi ) or decreased ( hani ) the good signification of the house he sits > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > sure any one can say frm this chart the significations of gains will b affected ( as jup in 11th and causing a hani ) so it shud hav affected in material wealth than in the way of diseases etc > > > > This chart is in possession of another prominent memebr of this grp too> > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel Ji> > > > > > Thanks for this supposed full shloka> > > > > > when ever there was a discussion on this ADAGE all this yrs in all> > > forums of and when ever it appeared it i also challenged it was> > > alwys quoted was in the form of last line (#### Sthana hani karo> > > jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. ######) And no one has quoted this> > > first line> > > > > > Now i am thankfull for u ,u hav givn the first line too ### Jeeva> > > Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.###> > > > > > Those days no one quoted this missing first Line even when challenged> > > it they rather escaped the discussion saying some credential abt him/> > > family or parampara ( u can also refer in this grp too as i dont want to> > > name any body ), even some one was claiming as if thier some family> > > Elder/or his guru is originator of this shloka and i shud respect it> > > .That has created more anguish in me as i know what all this so called> > > adages ( luggages ) has destroyed how many persons reputation and> > > ability to predict .> > > > > > Now let us come down to basics ,what abt basics u learned> > > > > > what abt ishta parivarthan ? what abt dushta parivarthan ,what abt> > > dainya parivarthan ?? Even what abt daridra yoga tru parivarthan ??> > > > > > do u think all this time it will work on that way mentioned in this> > > shloka> > > > > > if u question again ,u can see more additions to sloka s appearing> > > > > > By the by do u hav any idea what is the source of this shloka than any> > > thing written in sanskrit has any authenticity> > > > > > if Jupiter is Lagna lord and sani is 2nd/3rd lord and sani in lagna and> > > how u predict this> > > > > > if jupiter is 4th Lord and lagna Lord and in 3rd house and sani in 4th> > > house ,how u take it ??> > > > > > if jupiter is 8th Lord and sani is 9th L and in parivarthan how u take> > > it> > > > > > if jupiter is 7th L and sani is 8th Lord and sani in 7th house how u> > > take this> > > > > > all same results ??> > > > > > do we need the crutches of a shloka for all this situations to arrive> > > results based on pure logic s> > > > > > sure one tree wont make a forest ,so one sani or one jup is not ultimate> > > idea to see the chart and chart will get modify on various factors ,but> > > here i am asking the pure logic> > > > > > if we know Logics in proper way we can make 1000s of new yogas .Even> > > better than misleading one .> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,> > > >> > > > The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows :> > > >> > > > Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.> > > > Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.> > > >> > > > This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.> > > >> > > > This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in the> > > > Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002 issue.> > > >> > > > Thankyou,> > > > Regards,> > > > Vijay Goel> > > > jaipur> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear Goel Ji> > > > >> > > > > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but> > > > >> > > > > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange> > > > >> > > > > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max> > > > > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic concepts> > > in> > > > > astrology> > > > >> > > > > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, gopal krishna goel> > > > > g.k.goel@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:> > > > > > "If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn> > > > > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava"> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > G. K. Goel> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept -dear Gopi> > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > Dear gopi ji> > > > > >> > > > > > sure ,Thanks> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks... .> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some> > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > > > > > > > shani:"""""XXXXXX> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi JI> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some> > > forumites> > > > > may b> > > > > > > > > knowing it> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------ something like this i blv> > > ,means> > > > > sat> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and> > > will> > > > > > > distroy> > > > > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the signification> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why> > > it> > > > > has> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need not> > > > > work> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > others )> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest> > > > > scenario> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many persons> > > > were> > > > > > > under> > > > > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in terms> > > > of> > > > > > > Landed> > > > > > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this was> > > so> > > > > in> > > > > > > > kerala> > > > > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where> > > > > Military> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and> > > > > youths> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian> > > > > deserts> > > > > > > wont> > > > > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may or> > > > may> > > > > not> > > > > > > b> > > > > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house of> > > > its> > > > > > > > > placement> > > > > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I> > > > found> > > > > it> > > > > > > > > working> > > > > > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> > > > > > > astrologer.. ....> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Karan"> > > > > karan@> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me> > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me dis-satisfaction> > > > no> > > > > > > matter> > > > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing> > > ever> > > > > > > > > satisfied.> > > > > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable> > > > wherein> > > > > i> > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and> > > > creates> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > best regards> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Karan> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit> > > > concept> > > > > is> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it.> > > > Hence> > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept> > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for> > > Judiciary,Teaching> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > Account> > > > > > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is> > > Natural> > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure work> > > > than> > > > > he> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house> > > see> > > > > the> > > > > > > > chalit> > > > > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in> > > > 12th,Moon> > > > > is> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house> > > Ketu> > > > > have> > > > > > > > > placed.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > Manoj> > > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out because> > > > > this is> > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not> > > > > necessarily> > > > > > > > > great.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka> > > > comcept> > > > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well in> > > > > kali> > > > > > > yuga> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga (> > > > > means> > > > > > > NON> > > > > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut> > > > -throat> > > > > > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a> > > > attitude> > > > > ??> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and giv> > > > only> > > > > rs> > > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is just> > > a> > > > > > > > temporary> > > > > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika Loga> > > > and> > > > > who> > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > Manoj> > > > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers,> > > Guru> > > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > > > 10H> > > > > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those> > > who> > > > > have> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H will> > > > make> > > > > > > them> > > > > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other> > > > > people.> > > > > > > Some> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb house> > > > of> > > > > > > > Jupiter,> > > > > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances"> > > the> > > > > 6H of> > > > > > > > > Work> > > > > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult> > > to> > > > go> > > > > > > past> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc might> > > be> > > > > > > denied> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one> > > > factor> > > > > ...> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can explain> > > > > career> > > > > > > > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka> > > comcept> > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept> > > > tagging> > > > > to> > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in> > > 10th> > > > > House> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > u> > > > > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other> > > > > factors> > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm Prashna> > > > > charts> > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma> > > ,its> > > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till> > > the> > > > > time> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles > > > and> > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like> > > some> > > > > > > animals> > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no choices> > > > > ,where> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will> > > also> > > > in> > > > > > > > humans> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic stone> > > > > > > structure> > > > > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the> > > > > saraswathi> > > > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid> > > > --just> > > > > leav> > > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made a> > > > > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the> > > statement> > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna> > > and2nd> > > > > lord> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of luck> > > > > apart> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat> > > in> > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > asp> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing else....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn> > > being> > > > > in> > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not to> > > be> > > > > > > blamed> > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > ones> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances> > > > done> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > present> > > > > > > > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as> > > > > Kriyamana> > > > > > > > > > Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is> > > > Saturn> > > > > to> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest> > > > > > > significator> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth and> > > > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > > > from family> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives from> > > > > planets> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not> > > taint> > > > > them> > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has become> > > a> > > > > > > > punching> > > > > > > > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses> > > > normal> > > > > > > > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th> > > house> > > > > of> > > > > > > karm> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas> > > mars> > > > is> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point in> > > > the> > > > > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant> > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > material and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the> > > > Supreme> > > > > Lord> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in speech> > > > and> > > > > > > > > treatment> > > > > > > > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just> > > > > instruments> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > award us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the> > > > various> > > > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > > > just show> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the> > > pains> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his ancestory> > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > > > field> > > > > > > > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say> > > that> > > > > you> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20> > > > years> > > > > ? I> > > > > > > am> > > > > > > > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa> > > > > > > Yoganandji,> > > > > > > > > His> > > > > > > > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri Mahasaya,> > > > and> > > > > His> > > > > > > > > guru> > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and> > > > undermine> > > > > his> > > > > > > > > Gurus> > > > > > > > > > by saying> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to> > > look> > > > > good> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if> > > > normally> > > > > > > > common> > > > > > > > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here doing> > > > > Kriya> > > > > > > > yoga,> > > > > > > > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed to> > > > your> > > > > > > name> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the> > > > Great> > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if> > > one> > > > > > > > considers> > > > > > > > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His> > > > Shishya> > > > > was> > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his> > > > shishya> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > myself> > > > > > > > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which is> > > > why> > > > > I> > > > > > > > never> > > > > > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or to> > > my> > > > > > > > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa> > > > > Yoganandji> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > last> > > > > > > > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not demand> > > > > respect> > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga,> > > Hong> > > > > Sau or> > > > > > > > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you> > > are> > > > > doing> > > > > > > > > this,> > > > > > > > > > you have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear> > > > ordinary> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of your> > > > > > > > attainments> > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and i> > > > dont> > > > > > > > deserve> > > > > > > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but cant> > > > help> > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > sat> > > > > > > > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real> > > McCoy)and> > > > a> > > > > > > > > realized> > > > > > > > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and> > > start> > > > > living> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and> > > > Energisation> > > > > > > > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a> > > > > unique> > > > > > > > member> > > > > > > > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I> > > > would> > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > .> > > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009> > > > 6:58:38> > > > > AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology]> > > Re:> > > > > > > > > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of> > > adressing> > > > > which> > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont degrade> > > me> > > > > with> > > > > > > > sir> > > > > > > > > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya> > > > yoga> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > paramhans> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no> > > > > > > > > istadevta/kuldevta> > > > > > > > > > etc,may> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 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dear sunil ji,

thanks for your feedback. that is why i direct them to a temple and advice take "viratha".

with regards

guru.nagarajan

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astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala Re: Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.- A chart Date: Thursday, 1 October, 2009, 6:09 AM

Dear Guru Nagarajan Ji Thanks for ur post That fellow dont hav any Phychological problem ,nor i think has any problem frm any kind of evil entinties tho many time he expressed wish to see this goblins/preta/ pisacha etc but never was successful Evil mind is a possibility rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, "Guru.nagarajan" <guru_naga_astrologe r wrote:>> dear mr sunil ji,> ///what r all the disease this nativ can hav ///>  > i never tell the particular diseas of that type of chart. but if they suffering some diseases then the reason for that disease can't found.> and may be they r suffer by sphycologically. i.e., if u beleive the evil soul may affect them. > (12th house also represent our re-birth, the soul

attach/detach our body)> sun represent Admakaraka, also lagna said theire soul type of a person.>  > with regards> guru.nagarajan.>  >  > > > > > --- On Wed, 30/9/09, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.- A chart> ancient_indian_ astrology> Wednesday, 30 September, 2009, 1:27 PM> > >  > > > > > Dear guru Nagarajan Ji > >  pls follow the post ,pls see the header of this post and ur contribution to the said aspect would hav been most appreciated .> > i never posted the chart to get a readings.> > > Even any

one giving a reading is not a crime too as none of their family is memebr of this grp and it wont amnt to reading service too ( which is grp is not formed for ) ,tho it is against the guidelines mentioned in the home page of this grp .> > Now let us hav some discussion .> > U said planets in 12th House to sun if it is doubly afflicted it will giv roga > > i hav one chart sun in mesa ,sani in makra and rahu in karkataka ( with mars )> > and jupiter and venus is in 12th to sun ,so according to me there is 2 malefic aspect on this planets ( atleast a dozn memebrs of our grp will vouch for the authenticity of this chart ) And it is in pisces too > > how do u rate it > > what r all the disease this nativ can hav > > rgrds sunil nair > > Ps ,shri bhaskar ji asked a question --what is Viradha ?Even i hav No idea ,so u can answer it

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Guru.nagarajan" <guru_naga_astrologe r wrote:> >> > dear mr sunil nair ji,> > in her chart> >  > >  lagna aries.> >  > > condition> >  > > 1) if more than two graha occupaid/aspect at 12th house from lagna or sun.> >                                "AND"> > 2) more than two graha occupaid/aspect at pisces.> >  >

> 1) you see from sun in its 12th house mercuri,venus and saturn aspected by its 10th aspect.(three grahas)> > 2) in pisces saturn is there but exchange its house with jupitor. mars and ketu also with jupitor. in this case we consiter in pisces jup,mars,and kethu also there.> >  > > for the two rules are applied to a chart they had lot of problem with theire body. any doctor never find the reason for that disease.> > only one way to rectify that disease by take viradha for any temple and do something for that temple.> > i handled lot of cases like that and succeed all of that cases.> >  > > with regards> > guru.nagarajan.> >  > >  > >  > > > > --- On Wed, 30/9/09, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > > > >

astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.- A chart> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Wednesday, 30 September, 2009, 8:18 AM> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji > > > >  pls see this chart > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > Date:         January 24, 1998> > Time:         13:27:00> > Time Zone:    8:00:00 (East of GMT)> >

Place:        103 E 53' 00", 1 N 18' 00"> >               Gay World Park, Singapore> > Tithi:        Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (26.86% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > Nakshatra:    Jyeshtha (Me) (82.74% left)> > Yoga:         Dhruva (Ke) (81.30% left)> > Karana:       Balava (Mo) (53.72%

left)> > Hora Lord:    Moon (5 min sign: Vi)> > Sunrise:      7:18:15> > Sunset:       19:14:44> > > > this is a chart of a girl -pls listen to her mom s words > > > > ############ ######### ####> > > > She has eczemya which seems to be getting from bad to worse no matter the number pf treatments that i bring her to. She has bad skin problems which make her feel more insecure and its a big distraction for her studies. She is very disobidient and stubborn to everyone around her.> > She does not have any interest in studying, she gets angry and frusturated very fast and does not listen to anyone around her. Her studies are failing and she does not seem

anxious about it too.> > ############ ######### ####> > > > if u make the chart and see aries lagna rising and 11th L sat in 12th House and 12th L jupiter is in 11th House > > > > her merc dasa is running which strted at birth and last phace which was sani now after jupiter sub period .> > > > u all can see wheter sani has incresed ( vridhi ) or decreased ( hani ) the good signification of the house he sits > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > sure any one can say frm this chart the significations of gains will b affected ( as jup in 11th and causing a hani ) so it shud hav affected in material wealth than in the way of diseases etc > > > > This chart is in possession of another prominent memebr of this grp too> > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology, "astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel Ji> > > > > > Thanks for this supposed full shloka> > > > > > when ever there was a discussion on this ADAGE all this yrs in all> > > forums of and when ever it appeared it i also challenged it was> > > alwys quoted was in the form of last line (#### Sthana hani karo> > > jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. ######) And no one has quoted this> > > first line> > > > > > Now i am thankfull for u ,u hav givn the first line too ### Jeeva> > > Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.###> > > > > > Those days no one quoted this missing first Line even when challenged> > > it they rather escaped the discussion saying some

credential abt him/> > > family or parampara ( u can also refer in this grp too as i dont want to> > > name any body ), even some one was claiming as if thier some family> > > Elder/or his guru is originator of this shloka and i shud respect it> > > .That has created more anguish in me as i know what all this so called> > > adages ( luggages ) has destroyed how many persons reputation and> > > ability to predict .> > > > > > Now let us come down to basics ,what abt basics u learned> > > > > > what abt ishta parivarthan ? what abt dushta parivarthan ,what abt> > > dainya parivarthan ?? Even what abt daridra yoga tru parivarthan ??> > > > > > do u think all this time it will work on that way mentioned in this> > > shloka> > > > > > if u question again

,u can see more additions to sloka s appearing> > > > > > By the by do u hav any idea what is the source of this shloka than any> > > thing written in sanskrit has any authenticity> > > > > > if Jupiter is Lagna lord and sani is 2nd/3rd lord and sani in lagna and> > > how u predict this> > > > > > if jupiter is 4th Lord and lagna Lord and in 3rd house and sani in 4th> > > house ,how u take it ??> > > > > > if jupiter is 8th Lord and sani is 9th L and in parivarthan how u take> > > it> > > > > > if jupiter is 7th L and sani is 8th Lord and sani in 7th house how u> > > take this> > > > > > all same results ??> > > > > > do we need the crutches of a shloka for all this situations to arrive> > >

results based on pure logic s> > > > > > sure one tree wont make a forest ,so one sani or one jup is not ultimate> > > idea to see the chart and chart will get modify on various factors ,but> > > here i am asking the pure logic> > > > > > if we know Logics in proper way we can make 1000s of new yogas .Even> > > better than misleading one .> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,> > > >> > > > The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows :> > > >> > >

> Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.> > > > Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.> > > >> > > > This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.> > > >> > > > This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in the> > > > Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002 issue.> > > >> > > > Thankyou,> > > > Regards,> > > > Vijay Goel> > > > jaipur> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear Goel Ji> > > > >> > > > > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but> > > > >> > >

> > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange> > > > >> > > > > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max> > > > > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic concepts> > > in> > > > > astrology> > > > >> > > > > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, gopal krishna goel> > > > > g.k.goel@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:> > > > > > "If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs ,

Saturn> > > > > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava"> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > G. K. Goel> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept -dear Gopi> > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > Dear gopi ji> > > > > >> > > > > > sure ,Thanks> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks... .> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some> > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > > > > > > > shani:"""""XXXXXX> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi JI> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some> > > forumites> > > > > may b> > > > > > > > > knowing it> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------ something like this i blv> > > ,means> > > > > sat> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and> > > will> > > > > > > distroy> > > > > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy

the signification> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why> > > it> > > > > has> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need not> > > > > work> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > others )> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest> > > >

> scenario> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many persons> > > > were> > > > > > > under> > > > > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in terms> > > > of> > > > > > > Landed> > > > > > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this was> > > so> > > > > in> > > > > > > > kerala> > > > > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where> > > > > Military> > > > > > > is> > > >

> > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and> > > > > youths> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian> > > > > deserts> > > > > > > wont> > > > > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may or> > > > may> > > > > not> > > > > > > b> > > > > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house of> > > > its> > > > > > > > > placement> > > > > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I> > > > found> > > > > it> > > > > > > > > working> > > > > > >

> > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> > > > > > > astrologer.. ....> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Karan"> > > > > karan@> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me> > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me dis-satisfaction> > >

> no> > > > > > > matter> > > > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing> > > ever> > > > > > > > > satisfied.> > > > > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable> > > > wherein> > > > > i> > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and> > > > creates> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > best regards> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Karan> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit> > > >

concept> > > > > is> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it.> > > > Hence> > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept> > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Consider the

Jupiter in 10 house for> > > Judiciary,Teaching> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > Account> > > > > > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is> > > Natural> > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure work> > > > than> > > > > he> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house> > > see> > > > > the> > > > > > > > chalit> >

> > > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in> > > > 12th,Moon> > > > > is> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house> > > Ketu> > > > > have> > > > > > > > > placed.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > >

Manoj> > > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out because> > > > > this is> > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not> > > > > necessarily> > > > > > > > > great.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > >

> > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka> > > >

comcept> > > > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well in> > > > > kali> > > > > > > yuga> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > >

> > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga (> > > > > means> > > > > > > NON> > > > > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut> > > > -throat> > > > > > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a> > > > attitude> > > > > ??> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and giv> > > > only> > > > > rs> > > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > >

> tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is just> > > a> > > > > > > > temporary> > > > > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika Loga> > > > and> > > > > who> > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > Manoj> > > > > > > > > Chandran>

> > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers,> > > Guru> > > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > > > 10H> > > > > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those> > > who> > > > > have> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H will> > > > make> > > > > > >

them> > > > > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other> > > > > people.> > > > > > > Some> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb house> > > > of> > > > > > > > Jupiter,> > > > > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances"> > > the> > > > > 6H of> > > > > > > > > Work> > > > > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult> > > to> > > > go> > > > > > > past> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > "worker"

mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc might> > > be> > > > > > > denied> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one> > > > factor> > > > > ...> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can explain> > > > > career> > > > > > > > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka> > > comcept> > > > > -dear> > > >

> > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept> > > > tagging> > > > > to> > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in> > > 10th> > > > > House> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > u> > > > > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other> > > > > factors> > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm Prashna> > > > > charts> > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one

's karma> > > ,its> > > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till> > > the> > > > > time> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles > > > and> > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like> > > some> > > > > > > animals> > > > > > > > > or> > > > > >

> > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no choices> > > > > ,where> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will> > > also> > > > in> > > > > > > > humans> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic stone> > > > > > > structure> > > > > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the> > > >

> saraswathi> > > > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid> > > > --just> > > > > leav> > > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made a> > > > > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the> > > statement> > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna> > > and2nd> > > > > lord> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of luck> > > > >

apart> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat> > > in> > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > asp> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing else....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn> > > being> > > > > in> > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not to> > > be> > > > > > > blamed> > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > ones> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances> > > > done> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > present> > > > > > > > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as> > > > > Kriyamana> > > > > > > > > > Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is> > > > Saturn> > > > > to> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > blamed

kindly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest> > > > > > > significator> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth and> > > > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > > > from family> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives from> > > > > planets> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not> > > taint> > > > > them> > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has become> > > a> > > > > > > > punching> > > > > > > > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses> > > > normal> > > > > > > > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th> > > house> > > > > of> > > > > > > karm> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas> > > mars> > > > is> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point in> > > > the> > > > > > > > natural> >

> > > > > > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant> > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > material and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the> > > > Supreme> > > > > Lord> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

utter their names with respect both in speech> > > > and> > > > > > > > > treatment> > > > > > > > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just> > > > > instruments> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > award us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the> > > > various> > > > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > > > just show> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > reveal the various ways and nature of the> > > pains> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his ancestory> > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > > > field> > > > > > > > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say> > >

that> > > > > you> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20> > > > years> > > > > ? I> > > > > > > am> > > > > > > > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa> > > > > > > Yoganandji,> > > > > > > > > His> > > > > > > > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri Mahasaya,> >

> > and> > > > > His> > > > > > > > > guru> > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and> > > > undermine> > > > > his> > > > > > > > > Gurus> > > > > > > > > > by saying> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to> > > look> > > > > good> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > saying that> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if> > > > normally> > > > > > > > common> > > > > > > > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here doing> > > > > Kriya> > > > > > > > yoga,> > > > > > > > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why

dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed to> > > > your> > > > > > > name> > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the> > > > Great> > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if> > > one> > > > > > > > considers> > > > > > > > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in

current times. Because His> > > > Shishya> > > > > was> > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his> > > > shishya> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > myself> > > > > > > > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which is> > > > why> > > > > I> > > > > > > > never> > > > > > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or to> > > my> > > > > > > > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa> > > > > Yoganandji> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > last> > > > > > > > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not demand> > > > > respect> > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

association , since not into Kriya yoga,> > > Hong> > > > > Sau or> > > > > > > > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you> > > are> > > > > doing> > > > > > > > > this,> > > > > > > > > > you have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear> > > > ordinary> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > >

unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of your> > > > > > > > attainments> > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and i> > > > dont> > > > > > > > deserve> > > > > > > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but cant> > > > help> > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > sat> > > > > > > > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real> > > McCoy)and> > > > a> > > > > > > > > realized> > > > > > > > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and> > > start> > > > > living> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya

Yoga and> > > > Energisation> > > > > > > > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a> > > > > unique> > > > > > > > member> > > > > > > > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I> > > > would> > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> for a personage like Your goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > .> > > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009> > > > 6:58:38> > > > > AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology]> > > Re:> > > >

> > > > > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of> > > adressing> > > > > which> > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > like> > > >

> > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont degrade> > > me> > > > > with> > > > > > > > sir> > > > > > > > > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya> > > > yoga> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > paramhans> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > yogananda> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no> > > > > > > > > istadevta/kuldevta> > > > > > > > > > etc,may> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my> > > 9th> > > > > lord> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > 5th lord

as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala Re: Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.- A chart Date: Wednesday, 30 September, 2009, 11:48 PM

Dear Vijay Goel Ji sure ,That sloka was no way supportiv or helps in aiding a student or a astrologers in accurate predictions even our GK goel saab has said it is abt parivarthana yoga s in ur shloka it says the sani /jup in mutual signs ( i still dont know is it implies together ( then it is parivarhtan yoga only ) or seperately as diffrnt cases ) Both ways we can find it no way supported any claims Sage garga and mantreswara giv a spl case for sani for Sagitarious lagna i think sani shud join sun here and some other conditions like Moon etc shud b strong .Other than this case and sani alone in jupiterian signs in dasa ( not bhava hani or vridhi ) is generaly good ,but kendra shud hav benefics i think to fully blossom the results .i am to find sani in such a position aiding a nativ to attain some thing extra ordinary unless some exceptions r

there and applicable .pls try any chart of ur direct knowledge and let us try .i stand to correct my understanding when a dictum is working at least in 80% of the charts thanks rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nairji,> > In this chart, infact we donot need this sloke to explain anything.> > Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala " astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji> > > > pls see this chart> > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > January 24, 1998> > Time: 13:27:00> > Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT)> > Place: 103 E 53' 00", 1 N

18' 00"> > Gay World Park, Singapore> > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (26.86% left)> > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (82.74% left)> > Yoga: Dhruva (Ke) (81.30% left)> > Karana: Balava (Mo) (53.72% left)> > Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Vi)> > Sunrise: 7:18:15> > Sunset: 19:14:44> > > > this is a chart of a girl -pls listen to her mom s words> > > > ############ ######### ####> > > > She has eczemya which seems to be getting from bad to worse no matter> > the number pf treatments that i bring her to. She has bad skin problems> > which make her feel more insecure and its a big distraction for her> > studies. She is very disobidient and stubborn to everyone around her.> > She does not have any interest in studying, she gets angry and> >

frusturated very fast and does not listen to anyone around her. Her> > studies are failing and she does not seem anxious about it too.> > ############ ######### ####> > > > if u make the chart and see aries lagna rising and 11th L sat in 12th> > House and 12th L jupiter is in 11th House> > > > her merc dasa is running which strted at birth and last phace which was> > sani now after jupiter sub period .> > > > u all can see wheter sani has incresed ( vridhi ) or decreased ( hani )> > the good signification of the house he sits> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > sure any one can say frm this chart the significations of gains will b> > affected ( as jup in 11th and causing a hani ) so it shud hav affected> > in material wealth than in the way of diseases etc> > > > This

chart is in possession of another prominent memebr of this grp too> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala "> > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Vijay Goel Ji> > >> > > Thanks for this supposed full shloka> > >> > > when ever there was a discussion on this ADAGE all this yrs in all> > > forums of and when ever it appeared it i also challenged it was> > > alwys quoted was in the form of last line (#### Sthana hani karo> > > jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. ######) And no one has quoted this> > > first line> > >> > > Now i am thankfull for u ,u hav givn the first line too ### Jeeva> > > Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.###>

> >> > > Those days no one quoted this missing first Line even when challenged> > > it they rather escaped the discussion saying some credential abt him/> > > family or parampara ( u can also refer in this grp too as i dont want> > to> > > name any body ), even some one was claiming as if thier some family> > > Elder/or his guru is originator of this shloka and i shud respect it> > > .That has created more anguish in me as i know what all this so called> > > adages ( luggages ) has destroyed how many persons reputation and> > > ability to predict .> > >> > > Now let us come down to basics ,what abt basics u learned> > >> > > what abt ishta parivarthan ? what abt dushta parivarthan ,what abt> > > dainya parivarthan ?? Even what abt daridra yoga tru parivarthan ??>

> >> > > do u think all this time it will work on that way mentioned in this> > > shloka> > >> > > if u question again ,u can see more additions to sloka s appearing> > >> > > By the by do u hav any idea what is the source of this shloka than any> > > thing written in sanskrit has any authenticity> > >> > > if Jupiter is Lagna lord and sani is 2nd/3rd lord and sani in lagna> > and> > > how u predict this> > >> > > if jupiter is 4th Lord and lagna Lord and in 3rd house and sani in 4th> > > house ,how u take it ??> > >> > > if jupiter is 8th Lord and sani is 9th L and in parivarthan how u take> > > it> > >> > > if jupiter is 7th L and sani is 8th Lord and sani in 7th house how u> > > take

this> > >> > > all same results ??> > >> > > do we need the crutches of a shloka for all this situations to arrive> > > results based on pure logic s> > >> > > sure one tree wont make a forest ,so one sani or one jup is not> > ultimate> > > idea to see the chart and chart will get modify on various factors> > ,but> > > here i am asking the pure logic> > >> > > if we know Logics in proper way we can make 1000s of new yogas .Even> > > better than misleading one .> > >> > > rgrds sunil nair> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > >

>> > > > Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,> > > >> > > > The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows :> > > >> > > > Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.> > > > Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.> > > >> > > > This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.> > > >> > > > This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in the> > > > Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002 issue.> > > >> > > > Thankyou,> > > > Regards,> > > > Vijay Goel> > > > jaipur> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >

> > >> > > > >> > > > > dear Goel Ji> > > > >> > > > > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but> > > > >> > > > > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange> > > > >> > > > > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max> > > > > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic> > concepts> > > in> > > > > astrology> > > > >> > > > > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, gopal krishna> > goel> > > > >

g.k.goel@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:> > > > > > "If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn> > > > > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava"> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > G. K. Goel> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept -dear> > Gopi> > > > Jee> >

>> > > > > > Dear gopi ji> > > > > >> > > > > > sure ,Thanks> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks... .> > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

Dear Gopi Ji and List> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some> > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > > > > > > > shani:"""""XXXXXX> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > > > >

astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi JI> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some> > > forumites> > > > > may b> > > > > > > > > knowing it> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------ something like this i blv> > > ,means> > > > > sat> > > > > >

> > will> > > > > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and> > > will> > > > > > > distroy> > > > > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the> > signification> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why> > > it> > > > > has> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need> >

not> > > > > work> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > others )> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest> > > > > scenario> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many> > persons> > > > were> > > > > > > under> > > > > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in> > terms> > > > of> > > > > > > Landed> > > > > > > > > properties than a permannt

salary ( atleast i know this> > was> > > so> > > > > in> > > > > > > > kerala> > > > > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where> > > > > Military> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and> > > > > youths> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian> > > > > deserts> > > > > > > wont> > > > > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may> > or> > > > may> > > > > not> > > > > > > b> > > > > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup

spoils the house> > of> > > > its> > > > > > > > > placement> > > > > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I> > > > found> > > > > it> > > > > > > > > working> > > > > > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> > > > > > > astrologer.. ....> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Karan"> > > > > karan@> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj

ji> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me> > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me> > dis-satisfaction> > > > no> > > > > > > matter> > > > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing> > > ever> > > > > > > > > satisfied.> > > > > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable> > > > wherein> > > > > i> > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > always

wanted to lead but is impossible in service and> > > > creates> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > best regards> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Karan> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > > > > Chandran> > > > > >

> > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit> > > > concept> > > > > is> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it.> > > > Hence> > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >

> > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka> > comcept> > > > > -dear> > > > > > > >

Gopi> > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for> > > Judiciary,Teaching> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > Account> > > > > > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is> > > Natural> > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure> > work> > > > than> > > > > he>

> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house> > > see> > > > > the> > > > > > > > chalit> > > > > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in> > > > 12th,Moon> > > > > is> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house> > > Ketu> > > > > have> > > > > > > > > placed.> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > Manoj> > > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out> > because> > > > > this is> > >

> > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not> > > > > necessarily> > > > > > > > > great.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > >

astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka> > > > comcept> > > > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well> > in> > > > > kali> > > > > > > yuga> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga> > (> > > > > means> > > > > > > NON> > > > > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut> > > > -throat> > > > > > > > > >

competition and survival of fittest world with such a> > > > attitude> > > > > ??> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and> > giv> > > > only> > > > > rs> > > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is> > just> > > a> > > > > > > > temporary> > > > > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika> > Loga> > > > and> > > > > who> > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > Manoj> > > > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers,> > >

Guru> > > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > > > 10H> > > > > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those> > > who> > > > > have> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H> > will> > > > make> > > > > > > them> > > > > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other> > > > > people.> > > > > > > Some> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb> > house> > > > of> > > > > > > > Jupiter,>

> > > > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances"> > > the> > > > > 6H of> > > > > > > > > Work> > > > > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult> > > to> > > > go> > > > > > > past> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc> > might> > > be> > > > > > > denied> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one> > > > factor> > > > > ...> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > >

> my> > > > > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can> > explain> > > > > career> > > > > > > > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka> > > comcept> > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept> > > > tagging> > > > > to> > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in> > > 10th> > > > > House> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > u> > > > > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other> > > > > factors> >

> > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm> > Prashna> > > > > charts> > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma> > > ,its> > > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till> > > the> > > > > time> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > seeing

prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles> > > and> > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like> > > some> > > > > > > animals> > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no> > choices> > > > > ,where> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will> > > also> > > > in> > > >

> > > > humans> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic> > stone> > > > > > > structure> > > > > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the> > > > > saraswathi> > > > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid> > > > --just> > > > > leav> > > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > children to fate and sits

carelessly> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made> > a> > > > > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about

the> > > statement> > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna> > > and2nd> > > > > lord> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of> > luck> > > > > apart> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat> > > in> > > > >

2nd> > > > > > > asp> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing> > else....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and

again about Saturn> > > being> > > > > in> > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not> > to> > > be> > > > > > > blamed> > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > ones> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances> > > > done> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > present>

> > > > > > > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as> > > > > Kriyamana> > > > > > > > > > Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is> > > > Saturn> > > > > to> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest> > > > > > > significator> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > Your> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth> > and> > > > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > > > from family> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives> > from> > > > > planets> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not> > > taint> > > > > them> > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has> > become> > > a> > > > > > > > punching> > > > > > > > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses> > > > normal> > > > > > > > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th> > > house> > > > > of> > > > > > > karm> > > >

> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas> > > mars> > > > is> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point> > in> > > > the> > > > > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to

grant> > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > material and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the> > > > Supreme> > > > > Lord> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in> > speech> > > > and> > > > > > > > > treatment> > > > > > > > > > . remember> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just> > > > > instruments> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > award us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the> > > > various> > > > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > > > just show> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the> > > pains> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his> > ancestory> > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > > > field> > > > > > > > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say> > > that> > > > > you> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20> > > > years> > > > > ? I> > > > > > > am> > > > > > > > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa> > > > > > > Yoganandji,> > > > > > > > > His> > > > > > > > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri> > Mahasaya,> > > > and> > > > > His> > > > > > > > > guru> > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and> > > > undermine> > > > > his> > > > > > > > > Gurus> > > > > > > > > > by saying> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to> > > look> > > > > good> > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if> > > >

normally> > > > > > > > common> > > > > > > > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here> > doing> > > > > Kriya> > > > > > > > yoga,> > > > > > > > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed> > to> > > > your> > > > > > > name> > > > > > > > ?> >

> > > > > > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the> > > > Great> > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if> > > one> > > > > > > > considers> > > > > > > > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His> > > > Shishya> > > > > was> > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > >

> > > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his> > > > shishya> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > myself> > > > > > > > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which> > is> > > > why> > > > > I> > > > > > > > never> > > > > > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or> > to> > > my> > > > > > > > >

knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa> > > > > Yoganandji> > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > last> > > > > > > > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not> > demand> > > > > respect> > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga,> > > Hong> > > > > Sau or> > >

> > > > > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you> > > are> > > > > doing> > > > > > > > > this,> > > > > > > > > > you have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear> > > > ordinary> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble.> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of> > your> > > > > > > > attainments> > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and> >

i> > > > dont> > > > > > > > deserve> > > > > > > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but> > cant> > > > help> > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > sat> > > > > > > > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real> > > McCoy)and> > > > a> > > > > > > > > realized> > > > > > > > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and> > > start> > > > > living> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and> > > > Energisation> > > > > > > >

> > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a> > > > > unique> > > > > > > > member> > > > > > > > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I> > > > would> > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your goodself.> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > .> > > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19, 2009> > > > 6:58:38> > > > > AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology]> > > Re:> > > > > > > > > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of> > > adressing> > > > > which> > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont> > degrade> > > me> > > > > with> > > > > > > > sir> > > > > > > > > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of kriya> > > > yoga> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > paramhans> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have no> > > > > > > > > istadevta/kuldevta> > > > > > > > > > etc,may> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well with my> > > 9th> > > > > lord> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > 5th lord as> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Chiranjiv Mehta Ji sure ,thanks for ur observation rgrds sunil nair , chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote:>> Skin ailment will end after Budha MD> > Chiranjiv Mehta> > --- On Wed, 30/9/09, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala Re: Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.- A chart> > Wednesday, 30 September, 2009, 11:48 PM> > >  > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel Ji > > sure ,That sloka was no way supportiv or helps in aiding a student or a astrologers in accurate predictions > > even our GK goel saab has said it is abt parivarthana yoga s > > in ur shloka it says the sani /jup in mutual signs ( i still dont know is it implies together ( then it is parivarhtan yoga only ) or seperately as diffrnt cases ) > > Both ways we can find it no way supported any claims > > Sage garga and mantreswara giv a spl case for sani for Sagitarious lagna > i think sani shud join sun here and some other conditions like Moon etc shud b strong .Other than this case and sani alone in jupiterian signs in dasa ( not bhava hani or vridhi ) is generaly good ,but kendra shud hav benefics i think to fully blossom the results .i am to find sani in such a position aiding a nativ to attain some thing extra ordinary unless some exceptions r there and applicable .> > pls try any chart of ur direct knowledge and let us try .i stand to correct my understanding when a dictum is working at least in 80% of the charts > > thanks > > rgrds sunil nair > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel" goyalvj@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil Nairji,> > > > In this chart, infact we donot need this sloke to explain anything.> > > > Best Wishes,> > Vijay Goel> > Jaipur.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala " astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji> > > > > > pls see this chart> > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > January 24, 1998> > > Time: 13:27:00> > > Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > Place: 103 E 53' 00", 1 N 18' 00"> > > Gay World Park, Singapore> > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (26.86% left)> > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (82.74% left)> > > Yoga: Dhruva (Ke) (81.30% left)> > > Karana: Balava (Mo) (53.72% left)> > > Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Vi)> > > Sunrise: 7:18:15> > > Sunset: 19:14:44> > > > > > this is a chart of a girl -pls listen to her mom s words> > > > > > ############ ######### ####> > > > > > She has eczemya which seems to be getting from bad to worse no matter> > > the number pf treatments that i bring her to. She has bad skin problems> > > which make her feel more insecure and its a big distraction for her> > > studies. She is very disobidient and stubborn to everyone around her.> > > She does not have any interest in studying, she gets angry and> > > frusturated very fast and does not listen to anyone around her. Her> > > studies are failing and she does not seem anxious about it too.> > > ############ ######### ####> > > > > > if u make the chart and see aries lagna rising and 11th L sat in 12th> > > House and 12th L jupiter is in 11th House> > > > > > her merc dasa is running which strted at birth and last phace which was> > > sani now after jupiter sub period .> > > > > > u all can see wheter sani has incresed ( vridhi ) or decreased ( hani )> > > the good signification of the house he sits> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > sure any one can say frm this chart the significations of gains will b> > > affected ( as jup in 11th and causing a hani ) so it shud hav affected> > > in material wealth than in the way of diseases etc> > > > > > This chart is in possession of another prominent memebr of this grp too> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala "> > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Vijay Goel Ji> > > >> > > > Thanks for this supposed full shloka> > > >> > > > when ever there was a discussion on this ADAGE all this yrs in all> > > > forums of and when ever it appeared it i also challenged it was> > > > alwys quoted was in the form of last line (#### Sthana hani karo> > > > jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. ######) And no one has quoted this> > > > first line> > > >> > > > Now i am thankfull for u ,u hav givn the first line too ### Jeeva> > > > Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.###> > > >> > > > Those days no one quoted this missing first Line even when challenged> > > > it they rather escaped the discussion saying some credential abt him/> > > > family or parampara ( u can also refer in this grp too as i dont want> > > to> > > > name any body ), even some one was claiming as if thier some family> > > > Elder/or his guru is originator of this shloka and i shud respect it> > > > .That has created more anguish in me as i know what all this so called> > > > adages ( luggages ) has destroyed how many persons reputation and> > > > ability to predict .> > > >> > > > Now let us come down to basics ,what abt basics u learned> > > >> > > > what abt ishta parivarthan ? what abt dushta parivarthan ,what abt> > > > dainya parivarthan ?? Even what abt daridra yoga tru parivarthan ??> > > >> > > > do u think all this time it will work on that way mentioned in this> > > > shloka> > > >> > > > if u question again ,u can see more additions to sloka s appearing> > > >> > > > By the by do u hav any idea what is the source of this shloka than any> > > > thing written in sanskrit has any authenticity> > > >> > > > if Jupiter is Lagna lord and sani is 2nd/3rd lord and sani in lagna> > > and> > > > how u predict this> > > >> > > > if jupiter is 4th Lord and lagna Lord and in 3rd house and sani in 4th> > > > house ,how u take it ??> > > >> > > > if jupiter is 8th Lord and sani is 9th L and in parivarthan how u take> > > > it> > > >> > > > if jupiter is 7th L and sani is 8th Lord and sani in 7th house how u> > > > take this> > > >> > > > all same results ??> > > >> > > > do we need the crutches of a shloka for all this situations to arrive> > > > results based on pure logic s> > > >> > > > sure one tree wont make a forest ,so one sani or one jup is not> > > ultimate> > > > idea to see the chart and chart will get modify on various factors> > > ,but> > > > here i am asking the pure logic> > > >> > > > if we know Logics in proper way we can make 1000s of new yogas .Even> > > > better than misleading one .> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,> > > > >> > > > > The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows :> > > > >> > > > > Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.> > > > > Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.> > > > >> > > > > This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.> > > > >> > > > > This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in the> > > > > Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002 issue.> > > > >> > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > jaipur> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > dear Goel Ji> > > > > >> > > > > > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but> > > > > >> > > > > > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange> > > > > >> > > > > > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga s,Max> > > > > > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic> > > concepts> > > > in> > > > > > astrology> > > > > >> > > > > > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post it> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, gopal krishna> > > goel> > > > > > g.k.goel@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:> > > > > > > "If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn> > > > > > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava"> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > G. K. Goel> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept -dear> > > Gopi> > > > > Jee> > > >> > > > > > > Dear gopi ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sure ,Thanks> > > > > > >> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks... .> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some> > > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > > > > > > > > shani:"""""XXXXXX> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi JI> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some> > > > forumites> > > > > > may b> > > > > > > > > > knowing it> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------ something like this i blv> > > > ,means> > > > > > sat> > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed and> > > > will> > > > > > > > distroy> > > > > > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the> > > signification> > > > of> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation why> > > > it> > > > > > has> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also need> > > not> > > > > > work> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > others )> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is latest> > > > > > scenario> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many> > > persons> > > > > were> > > > > > > > under> > > > > > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in> > > terms> > > > > of> > > > > > > > Landed> > > > > > > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know this> > > was> > > > so> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > kerala> > > > > > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history where> > > > > > Military> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids and> > > > > > youths> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As arbian> > > > > > deserts> > > > > > > > wont> > > > > > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he may> > > or> > > > > may> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > b> > > > > > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the house> > > of> > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > placement> > > > > > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat vice-verse.I> > > > > found> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > working> > > > > > > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> > > > > > > > astrologer.. ....> > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Karan"> > > > > > karan@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned, for me> > > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me> > > dis-satisfaction> > > > > no> > > > > > > > matter> > > > > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but nothing> > > > ever> > > > > > > > > > satisfied.> > > > > > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been applicable> > > > > wherein> > > > > > i> > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service and> > > > > creates> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not happiness.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > best regards> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Karan> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj> > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava Chalit> > > > > concept> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using it.> > > > > Hence> > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka> > > comcept> > > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for> > > > Judiciary,Teaching> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > Account> > > > > > > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is> > > > Natural> > > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure> > > work> > > > > than> > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th house> > > > see> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > chalit> > > > > > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in> > > > > 12th,Moon> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th house> > > > Ketu> > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > placed.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > Manoj> > > > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out> > > because> > > > > > this is> > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not> > > > > > necessarily> > > > > > > > > > great.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka> > > > > comcept> > > > > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board well> > > in> > > > > > kali> > > > > > > > yuga> > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala Yoga> > > (> > > > > > means> > > > > > > > NON> > > > > > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this cut> > > > > -throat> > > > > > > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such a> > > > > attitude> > > > > > ??> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients and> > > giv> > > > > only> > > > > > rs> > > > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient is> > > just> > > > a> > > > > > > > > temporary> > > > > > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika> > > Loga> > > > > and> > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > com,> > > > > > Manoj> > > > > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my teachers,> > > > Guru> > > > > in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > 10H> > > > > > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for those> > > > who> > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H> > > will> > > > > make> > > > > > > > them> > > > > > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under other> > > > > > people.> > > > > > > > Some> > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb> > > house> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > Jupiter,> > > > > > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it "enhances"> > > > the> > > > > > 6H of> > > > > > > > > > Work> > > > > > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it difficult> > > > to> > > > > go> > > > > > > > past> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc> > > might> > > > be> > > > > > > > denied> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only one> > > > > factor> > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can> > > explain> > > > > > career> > > > > > > > > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka> > > > comcept> > > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak concept> > > > > tagging> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi dictums> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru in> > > > 10th> > > > > > House> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > u> > > > > > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with other> > > > > > factors> > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm> > > Prashna> > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's karma> > > > ,its> > > > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification till> > > > the> > > > > > time> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/ obstacles> > > > and> > > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human Like> > > > some> > > > > > > > animals> > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no> > > choices> > > > > > ,where> > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free will> > > > also> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > humans> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic> > > stone> > > > > > > > structure> > > > > > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing the> > > > > > saraswathi> > > > > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their kid> > > > > --just> > > > > > leav> > > > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just made> > > a> > > > > > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the> > > > statement> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna> > > > and2nd> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of> > > luck> > > > > > apart> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with sat> > > > in> > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > asp> > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing> > > else....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about Saturn> > > > being> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is not> > > to> > > > be> > > > > > > > blamed> > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > ones> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous utterances> > > > > done> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > present> > > > > > > > > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha, or as> > > > > > Kriyamana> > > > > > > > > > > Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How is> > > > > Saturn> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the strongest> > > > > > > > significator> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned wealth> > > and> > > > > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > > > > from family> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives> > > from> > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and not> > > > taint> > > > > > them> > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has> > > become> > > > a> > > > > > > > > punching> > > > > > > > > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just uses> > > > > normal> > > > > > > > > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the 10th> > > > house> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > karm> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house, whereas> > > > mars> > > > > is> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation point> > > in> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to grant> > > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > > material and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of the> > > > > Supreme> > > > > > Lord> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in> > > speech> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > treatment> > > > > > > > > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but just> > > > > > instruments> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > award us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and the> > > > > various> > > > > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > > > > just show> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of the> > > > pains> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his> > > ancestory> > > > in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > field> > > > > > > > > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you say> > > > that> > > > > > you> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last 20> > > > > years> > > > > > ? I> > > > > > > > am> > > > > > > > > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri Paramhansa> > > > > > > > Yoganandji,> > > > > > > > > > His> > > > > > > > > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri> > > Mahasaya,> > > > > and> > > > > > His> > > > > > > > > > guru> > > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and> > > > > undermine> > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > Gurus> > > > > > > > > > > by saying> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear to> > > > look> > > > > > good> > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking if> > > > > normally> > > > > > > > > common> > > > > > > > > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here> > > doing> > > > > > Kriya> > > > > > > > > yoga,> > > > > > > > > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri " addressed> > > to> > > > > your> > > > > > > > name> > > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of the> > > > > Great> > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya parampara if> > > > one> > > > > > > > > considers> > > > > > > > > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because His> > > > > Shishya> > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and his> > > > > shishya> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > myself> > > > > > > > > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly. Which> > > is> > > > > why> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > never> > > > > > > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer or> > > to> > > > my> > > > > > > > > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa> > > > > > Yoganandji> > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > last> > > > > > > > > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not> > > demand> > > > > > respect> > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya yoga,> > > > Hong> > > > > > Sau or> > > > > > > > > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since you> > > > are> > > > > > doing> > > > > > > > > > this,> > > > > > > > > > > you have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear> > > > > ordinary> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of> > > your> > > > > > > > > attainments> > > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique and> > > i> > > > > dont> > > > > > > > > deserve> > > > > > > > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but> > > cant> > > > > help> > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > sat> > > > > > > > > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real> > > > McCoy)and> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > realized> > > > > > > > > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking and> > > > start> > > > > > living> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > .> > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and> > > > > Energisation> > > > > > > > > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you are a> > > > > > unique> > > > > > > > > member> > > > > > > > > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri" also I> > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > > 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Dear Sunil Nairji,

 

//in ur shloka it says the sani /jup in mutual signs ( i still dont know is it

implies together ( then it is parivarhtan yoga only ) or seperately as diffrnt

cases ) //

 

It is very clear that this sloke never talks for parivatana, i am sure about it,

infact in parivartana this sloke will not work as parivartana rules will get

applied. Just apply it separately.

 

I said that way back in 2002 i have discussion on this sloke with an very

experienced astrologer, now i am not getting that magazine on my hand, else i

would add some more clarification.

 

Most important which is my personal view that after discussion on this sloke i

felt that we are no need of this sloke while analysing any horoscope, so i left

it.

 

Just for an knowledge , you will see that throughout whole life esteemed

research minded astrologer late Sri H n Katwe cursed jupiter and said that it

can never give good results in life, exalted jupiter is worst and debilitated

jupiter is best for kaliyug. He supported this idea in his writings many times.

So if makar jupiter is good and kumbh jupiter is treated as exalted in north

that half part of sloke automatically gets right

 

But in experience you may not find this right.

 

Thankyou,

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

 

 

 

, " astro_tellerkerala "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

> Dear Vijay Goel Ji

>

> sure ,That sloka was no way supportiv or helps in aiding a student or a

> astrologers in accurate predictions

>

> even our GK goel saab has said it is abt parivarthana yoga s

>

> in ur shloka it says the sani /jup in mutual signs ( i still dont know

> is it implies together ( then it is parivarhtan yoga only ) or

> seperately as diffrnt cases )

>

> Both ways we can find it no way supported any claims

>

> Sage garga and mantreswara giv a spl case for sani for Sagitarious lagna

> i think sani shud join sun here and some other conditions like Moon etc

> shud b strong .Other than this case and sani alone in jupiterian signs

> in dasa ( not bhava hani or vridhi ) is generaly good ,but kendra shud

> hav benefics i think to fully blossom the results .i am to find sani in

> such a position aiding a nativ to attain some thing extra ordinary

> unless some exceptions r there and applicable .

>

> pls try any chart of ur direct knowledge and let us try .i stand to

> correct my understanding when a dictum is working at least in 80% of the

> charts

>

> thanks

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

>

> , " vijay.goel "

> <goyalvj@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil Nairji,

> >

> > In this chart, infact we donot need this sloke to explain anything.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Vijay Goel

> > Jaipur.

> >

> > , " astro_tellerkerala "

> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Vijay Goel ji

> > >

> > > pls see this chart

> > >

> > >

> > > Natal Chart

> > >

> > > January 24, 1998

> > > Time: 13:27:00

> > > Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT)

> > > Place: 103 E 53' 00 " , 1 N 18' 00 "

> > > Gay World Park, Singapore

> > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (26.86% left)

> > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

> > > Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (82.74% left)

> > > Yoga: Dhruva (Ke) (81.30% left)

> > > Karana: Balava (Mo) (53.72% left)

> > > Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Vi)

> > > Sunrise: 7:18:15

> > > Sunset: 19:14:44

> > >

> > > this is a chart of a girl -pls listen to her mom s words

> > >

> > > #########################

> > >

> > > She has eczemya which seems to be getting from bad to worse no

> matter

> > > the number pf treatments that i bring her to. She has bad skin

> problems

> > > which make her feel more insecure and its a big distraction for her

> > > studies. She is very disobidient and stubborn to everyone around

> her.

> > > She does not have any interest in studying, she gets angry and

> > > frusturated very fast and does not listen to anyone around her. Her

> > > studies are failing and she does not seem anxious about it too.

> > > #########################

> > >

> > > if u make the chart and see aries lagna rising and 11th L sat in

> 12th

> > > House and 12th L jupiter is in 11th House

> > >

> > > her merc dasa is running which strted at birth and last phace which

> was

> > > sani now after jupiter sub period .

> > >

> > > u all can see wheter sani has incresed ( vridhi ) or decreased (

> hani )

> > > the good signification of the house he sits

> > >

> > > rgrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > sure any one can say frm this chart the significations of gains will

> b

> > > affected ( as jup in 11th and causing a hani ) so it shud hav

> affected

> > > in material wealth than in the way of diseases etc

> > >

> > > This chart is in possession of another prominent memebr of this grp

> too

> > >

> > > rgrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > ,

> " astro_tellerkerala "

> > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vijay Goel Ji

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for this supposed full shloka

> > > >

> > > > when ever there was a discussion on this ADAGE all this yrs in

> all

> > > > forums of and when ever it appeared it i also challenged it

> was

> > > > alwys quoted was in the form of last line (#### Sthana hani

> karo

> > > > jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. ######) And no one has quoted

> this

> > > > first line

> > > >

> > > > Now i am thankfull for u ,u hav givn the first line too ###

> Jeeva

> > > > Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.###

> > > >

> > > > Those days no one quoted this missing first Line even when

> challenged

> > > > it they rather escaped the discussion saying some credential abt

> him/

> > > > family or parampara ( u can also refer in this grp too as i dont

> want

> > > to

> > > > name any body ), even some one was claiming as if thier some

> family

> > > > Elder/or his guru is originator of this shloka and i shud respect

> it

> > > > .That has created more anguish in me as i know what all this so

> called

> > > > adages ( luggages ) has destroyed how many persons reputation and

> > > > ability to predict .

> > > >

> > > > Now let us come down to basics ,what abt basics u learned

> > > >

> > > > what abt ishta parivarthan ? what abt dushta parivarthan ,what

> abt

> > > > dainya parivarthan ?? Even what abt daridra yoga tru parivarthan

> ??

> > > >

> > > > do u think all this time it will work on that way mentioned in

> this

> > > > shloka

> > > >

> > > > if u question again ,u can see more additions to sloka s appearing

> > > >

> > > > By the by do u hav any idea what is the source of this shloka than

> any

> > > > thing written in sanskrit has any authenticity

> > > >

> > > > if Jupiter is Lagna lord and sani is 2nd/3rd lord and sani in

> lagna

> > > and

> > > > how u predict this

> > > >

> > > > if jupiter is 4th Lord and lagna Lord and in 3rd house and sani in

> 4th

> > > > house ,how u take it ??

> > > >

> > > > if jupiter is 8th Lord and sani is 9th L and in parivarthan how u

> take

> > > > it

> > > >

> > > > if jupiter is 7th L and sani is 8th Lord and sani in 7th house how

> u

> > > > take this

> > > >

> > > > all same results ??

> > > >

> > > > do we need the crutches of a shloka for all this situations to

> arrive

> > > > results based on pure logic s

> > > >

> > > > sure one tree wont make a forest ,so one sani or one jup is not

> > > ultimate

> > > > idea to see the chart and chart will get modify on various factors

> > > ,but

> > > > here i am asking the pure logic

> > > >

> > > > if we know Logics in proper way we can make 1000s of new yogas

> .Even

> > > > better than misleading one .

> > > >

> > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " vijay.goel "

> > > > goyalvj@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,

> > > > >

> > > > > The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows

> :

> > > > >

> > > > > Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.

> > > > > Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.

> > > > >

> > > > > This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in

> the

> > > > > Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002 issue.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > jaipur

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > " astro_tellerkerala "

> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dear Goel Ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange

> > > > > >

> > > > > > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga

> s,Max

> > > > > > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic

> > > concepts

> > > > in

> > > > > > astrology

> > > > > >

> > > > > > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post

> it

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , gopal krishna

> > > goel

> > > > > > g.k.goel@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:

> > > > > > > " If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn

> > > > > > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava "

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > G. K. Goel

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@

> > > > > > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000

> > > > > > > Re: Badaka comcept -dear

> > > Gopi

> > > > > Jee

> > > >

> > > > > > > Dear gopi ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sure ,Thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

> " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks....

> > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > " astro_tellerkerala "

> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some

> > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXX " " " " Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau

> > > > > > > > > shani: " " " " " " " XXXXXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > " astro_tellerkerala "

> > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi JI

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some

> > > > forumites

> > > > > > may b

> > > > > > > > > > knowing it

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------something like this i

> blv

> > > > ,means

> > > > > > sat

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed

> and

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > distroy

> > > > > > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the

> > > signification

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation

> why

> > > > it

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also

> need

> > > not

> > > > > > work

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > others )

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is

> latest

> > > > > > scenario

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many

> > > persons

> > > > > were

> > > > > > > > under

> > > > > > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in

> > > terms

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Landed

> > > > > > > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know

> this

> > > was

> > > > so

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > kerala

> > > > > > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history

> where

> > > > > > Military

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids

> and

> > > > > > youths

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As

> arbian

> > > > > > deserts

> > > > > > > > wont

> > > > > > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he

> may

> > > or

> > > > > may

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > b

> > > > > > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the

> house

> > > of

> > > > > its

> > > > > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat

> vice-verse.I

> > > > > found

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > working

> > > > > > > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known

> > > > > > > > astrologer......

> > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> " Karan "

> > > > > > karan@

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned,

> for me

> > > > > > jupiter

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me

> > > dis-satisfaction

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > > matter

> > > > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but

> nothing

> > > > ever

> > > > > > > > > > satisfied.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been

> applicable

> > > > > wherein

> > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service

> and

> > > > > creates

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction again.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not

> happiness.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > best regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Karan

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> Manoj

> > > > > > Chandran

> > > > > > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava

> Chalit

> > > > > concept

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using

> it.

> > > > > Hence

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Badaka

> > > comcept

> > > > > > -dear

> > > > > > > > > Gopi

> > > > > > > > > > > Jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for

> > > > Judiciary,Teaching

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Account

> > > > > > > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is

> > > > Natural

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure

> > > work

> > > > > than

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th

> house

> > > > see

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > chalit

> > > > > > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in

> > > > > 12th,Moon

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th

> house

> > > > Ketu

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > placed.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com,

> > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > > > > Chandran

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out

> > > because

> > > > > > this is

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not

> > > > > > necessarily

> > > > > > > > > > great.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:

> Badaka

> > > > > comcept

> > > > > > > > -dear

> > > > > > > > > > Gopi

> > > > > > > > > > > Jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board

> well

> > > in

> > > > > > kali

> > > > > > > > yuga

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala

> Yoga

> > > (

> > > > > > means

> > > > > > > > NON

> > > > > > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this

> cut

> > > > > -throat

> > > > > > > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such

> a

> > > > > attitude

> > > > > > ??

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients

> and

> > > giv

> > > > > only

> > > > > > rs

> > > > > > > > 2

> > > > > > > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient

> is

> > > just

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > > temporary

> > > > > > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika

> > > Loga

> > > > > and

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > com,

> > > > > > Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > Chandran

> > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my

> teachers,

> > > > Guru

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 10H

> > > > > > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for

> those

> > > > who

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H

> > > will

> > > > > make

> > > > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under

> other

> > > > > > people.

> > > > > > > > Some

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb

> > > house

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter,

> > > > > > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it

> " enhances "

> > > > the

> > > > > > 6H of

> > > > > > > > > > Work

> > > > > > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it

> difficult

> > > > to

> > > > > go

> > > > > > > > past

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > " worker " mode to the " boss " mode. So promotions etc

> > > might

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > denied

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only

> one

> > > > > factor

> > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can

> > > explain

> > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > > > > problems with this placement.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@

> ...

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka

> > > > comcept

> > > > > > -dear

> > > > > > > > > Gopi

> > > > > > > > > > > Jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak

> concept

> > > > > tagging

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > Natal

> > > > > > > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi

> dictums

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru

> in

> > > > 10th

> > > > > > House

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > u

> > > > > > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with

> other

> > > > > > factors

> > > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm

> > > Prashna

> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's

> karma

> > > > ,its

> > > > > > > > effects

> > > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification

> till

> > > > the

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/

> obstacles

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human

> Like

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > animals

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no

> > > choices

> > > > > > ,where

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free

> will

> > > > also

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > humans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic

> > > stone

> > > > > > > > structure

> > > > > > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing

> the

> > > > > > saraswathi

> > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their

> kid

> > > > > --just

> > > > > > leav

> > > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> .

> > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna " gopi_b927@ .> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just

> made

> > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the

> > > > statement

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna

> > > > and2nd

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > speach(note

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of

> > > luck

> > > > > > apart

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > VRY

> > > > > > > > > > > can talk

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with

> sat

> > > > in

> > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > asp

> > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > badhaka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing

> > > else....

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> .

> > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about

> Saturn

> > > > being

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is

> not

> > > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > blamed

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poorva

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous

> utterances

> > > > > done

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > > > Life as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha,

> or as

> > > > > > Kriyamana

> > > > > > > > > > > Karmas. Why

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How

> is

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > blamed kindly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the

> strongest

> > > > > > > > significator

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned

> wealth

> > > and

> > > > > > > > happiness

> > > > > > > > > > > from family

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives

> > > from

> > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and

> not

> > > > taint

> > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has

> > > become

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > > punching

> > > > > > > > > > > bag for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just

> uses

> > > > > normal

> > > > > > > > > > > commonsense one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the

> 10th

> > > > house

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > karm

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resultant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house,

> whereas

> > > > mars

> > > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > agression in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation

> point

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > natural

> > > > > > > > > > > 10th. Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to

> grant

> > > > > > happiness

> > > > > > > > > both

> > > > > > > > > > > material and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of

> the

> > > > > Supreme

> > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > one must

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in

> > > speech

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > treatment

> > > > > > > > > > > . remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but

> just

> > > > > > instruments

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > award us

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pains

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and

> the

> > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > just show

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of

> the

> > > > pains

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > pleasures which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > > .

> > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his

> > > ancestory

> > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > field

> > > > > > > > > > > he is in.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you

> say

> > > > that

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > doing Kriya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last

> 20

> > > > > years

> > > > > > ? I

> > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > sure you know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri

> Paramhansa

> > > > > > > > Yoganandji,

> > > > > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > > > guru Shri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri

> > > Mahasaya,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > > guru

> > > > > > > > > > > Shri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and

> > > > > undermine

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > Gurus

> > > > > > > > > > > by saying

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear

> to

> > > > look

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > saying that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking

> if

> > > > > normally

> > > > > > > > > common

> > > > > > > > > > > uniqueness

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here

> > > doing

> > > > > > Kriya

> > > > > > > > > yoga,

> > > > > > > > > > > as must be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a " Shri "

> addressed

> > > to

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > > name

> > > > > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > > > with above ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of

> the

> > > > > Great

> > > > > > > > > > Astrologer

> > > > > > > > > > > Shri K S

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya

> parampara if

> > > > one

> > > > > > > > > considers

> > > > > > > > > > > the term as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because

> His

> > > > > Shishya

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > Shri

> > > > > > > > > > > kasbe ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and

> his

> > > > > shishya

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > myself

> > > > > > > > > > > as having

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly.

> Which

> > > is

> > > > > why

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > > > > allow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer

> or

> > > to

> > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa

> > > > > > Yoganandji

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > > > > 15 Years

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not

> > > demand

> > > > > > respect

> > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya

> yoga,

> > > > Hong

> > > > > > Sau or

> > > > > > > > > > > energisations

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since

> you

> > > > are

> > > > > > doing

> > > > > > > > > > this,

> > > > > > > > > > > you have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear

> > > > > ordinary

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > unnecessary

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of

> > > your

> > > > > > > > > attainments

> > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > > > .

> > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > > > " gopalakrishna "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique

> and

> > > i

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > deserve

> > > > > > > > > > > anything

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but

> > > cant

> > > > > help

> > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > sat

> > > > > > > > > > > in my 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real

> > > > McCoy)and

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > realized

> > > > > > > > > > > one whom i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking

> and

> > > > start

> > > > > > living

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > made me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > > > > .

> > > > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > > > " Bhaskar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and

> > > > > Energisation

> > > > > > > > > > > excersises of Shri

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you

> are a

> > > > > > unique

> > > > > > > > > member

> > > > > > > > > > > in this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > august

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix " Shri "

> also I

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > consider

> > > > > > > > > > > as most

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your

> goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________

> __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19,

> 2009

> > > > > 6:58:38

> > > > > > AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_

> astrology]

> > > > Re:

> > > > > > > > > > Neechabanga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of

> > > > adressing

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont

> > > degrade

> > > > me

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > sir

> > > > > > > > > > > etc.Manoj ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > request is to you also please.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a sincere practitioner of

> kriya

> > > > > yoga

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > paramhans

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yogananda

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my20th yr or so till date.I have

> no

> > > > > > > > > > istadevta/kuldevta

> > > > > > > > > > > etc,may

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > due

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the influence of nodes as well

> with my

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 5th lord as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warm regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Dear Vijay Goel Ji Thanks for ur post My all idea of contesting many neo dictums ( which has no backing of classical texts ) is just reduce more luggage to future generation s than i hav any hidden motiv behind it .Even we know that due to some interpolation/lack of our understanding /even a change of one akshra can giv a total contradictory meaning or some thing some shlokas .So our idea of a grp discussion is not to belittle others but aid each other in predicting /seeing the chart in better way .This can b done tru a mass participation or a grp participations .##################Most important which is my personal view that after discussion on this sloke i

felt that we are no need of this sloke while analysing any horoscope, so i left

it.######################

Sure ,Thanks .i am grateful

###############Just for an knowledge , you will see that throughout whole life esteemed

research minded astrologer late Sri H n Katwe cursed jupiter and said that it

can never give good results in life, exalted jupiter is worst and debilitated

jupiter is best for kaliyug. He supported this idea in his writings many times.

So if makar jupiter is good and kumbh jupiter is treated as exalted in north

that half part of sloke automatically gets right

But in experience you may not find this right. ######################### May b possible depends on chart in dasa s jupiter may giv good or bad results but placemnt/strnght of a jupiter also strnghtens or weakens a chart But in Kaliyuga where idealism represented by jupiter is not required i find ppl with malefic planets strong influence chart make it successful So i hav to partialy agree to it But that does not has anything to do with Bhava hani assigned to Jup .At one look even we may say like debilated jup in 5th house for kanya lagna may deny kids or atleast male progency (but if u see tagore s chart ,can we assign the exalted jup in parivathan with moon ( lagna and 5th L ) say his reasons for lack of male kids and most of the kids has some problem or death even b4 he left this world ( sorry using memory --i know he has some problems happened in his life as rgrds to kids but not realy sure abt it ) but in practical life i find it is giving contrary results so neither the bhava hani happened here nor debilation has denied the progency but how can we make sure that such a chart with male kids will b having good exprnce frm their kids ?? .who knows when the boy grow up he can make the life of parents miserable and result in putra sokha in diffrnt way .So we need to see various other factors and that is what i was trying to convey .Thanks for ur mail and contributing in this discussion ,it was realy worth it rgrds sunil nair

, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nairji,> > //in ur shloka it says the sani /jup in mutual signs ( i still dont know is it implies together ( then it is parivarhtan yoga only ) or seperately as diffrnt cases ) //> > It is very clear that this sloke never talks for parivatana, i am sure about it, infact in parivartana this sloke will not work as parivartana rules will get applied. Just apply it separately.> > I said that way back in 2002 i have discussion on this sloke with an very experienced astrologer, now i am not getting that magazine on my hand, else i would add some more clarification.> > Most important which is my personal view that after discussion on this sloke i felt that we are no need of this sloke while analysing any horoscope, so i left it.> > Just for an knowledge , you will see that throughout whole life esteemed research minded astrologer late Sri H n Katwe cursed jupiter and said that it can never give good results in life, exalted jupiter is worst and debilitated jupiter is best for kaliyug. He supported this idea in his writings many times.> So if makar jupiter is good and kumbh jupiter is treated as exalted in north that half part of sloke automatically gets right > > But in experience you may not find this right.> > Thankyou,> Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> > > > , "astro_tellerkerala" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Vijay Goel Ji> > > > sure ,That sloka was no way supportiv or helps in aiding a student or a> > astrologers in accurate predictions> > > > even our GK goel saab has said it is abt parivarthana yoga s> > > > in ur shloka it says the sani /jup in mutual signs ( i still dont know> > is it implies together ( then it is parivarhtan yoga only ) or> > seperately as diffrnt cases )> > > > Both ways we can find it no way supported any claims> > > > Sage garga and mantreswara giv a spl case for sani for Sagitarious lagna> > i think sani shud join sun here and some other conditions like Moon etc> > shud b strong .Other than this case and sani alone in jupiterian signs> > in dasa ( not bhava hani or vridhi ) is generaly good ,but kendra shud> > hav benefics i think to fully blossom the results .i am to find sani in> > such a position aiding a nativ to attain some thing extra ordinary> > unless some exceptions r there and applicable .> > > > pls try any chart of ur direct knowledge and let us try .i stand to> > correct my understanding when a dictum is working at least in 80% of the> > charts> > > > thanks> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > , "vijay.goel"> > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil Nairji,> > >> > > In this chart, infact we donot need this sloke to explain anything.> > >> > > Best Wishes,> > > Vijay Goel> > > Jaipur.> > >> > > , "astro_tellerkerala"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji> > > >> > > > pls see this chart> > > >> > > >> > > > Natal Chart> > > >> > > > January 24, 1998> > > > Time: 13:27:00> > > > Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > Place: 103 E 53' 00", 1 N 18' 00"> > > > Gay World Park, Singapore> > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (26.86% left)> > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > > Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (82.74% left)> > > > Yoga: Dhruva (Ke) (81.30% left)> > > > Karana: Balava (Mo) (53.72% left)> > > > Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Vi)> > > > Sunrise: 7:18:15> > > > Sunset: 19:14:44> > > >> > > > this is a chart of a girl -pls listen to her mom s words> > > >> > > > #########################> > > >> > > > She has eczemya which seems to be getting from bad to worse no> > matter> > > > the number pf treatments that i bring her to. She has bad skin> > problems> > > > which make her feel more insecure and its a big distraction for her> > > > studies. She is very disobidient and stubborn to everyone around> > her.> > > > She does not have any interest in studying, she gets angry and> > > > frusturated very fast and does not listen to anyone around her. Her> > > > studies are failing and she does not seem anxious about it too.> > > > #########################> > > >> > > > if u make the chart and see aries lagna rising and 11th L sat in> > 12th> > > > House and 12th L jupiter is in 11th House> > > >> > > > her merc dasa is running which strted at birth and last phace which> > was> > > > sani now after jupiter sub period .> > > >> > > > u all can see wheter sani has incresed ( vridhi ) or decreased (> > hani )> > > > the good signification of the house he sits> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > sure any one can say frm this chart the significations of gains will> > b> > > > affected ( as jup in 11th and causing a hani ) so it shud hav> > affected> > > > in material wealth than in the way of diseases etc> > > >> > > > This chart is in possession of another prominent memebr of this grp> > too> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > ,> > "astro_tellerkerala"> > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Vijay Goel Ji> > > > >> > > > > Thanks for this supposed full shloka> > > > >> > > > > when ever there was a discussion on this ADAGE all this yrs in> > all> > > > > forums of and when ever it appeared it i also challenged it> > was> > > > > alwys quoted was in the form of last line (#### Sthana hani> > karo> > > > > jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. ######) And no one has quoted> > this> > > > > first line> > > > >> > > > > Now i am thankfull for u ,u hav givn the first line too ### > > Jeeva> > > > > Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.###> > > > >> > > > > Those days no one quoted this missing first Line even when> > challenged> > > > > it they rather escaped the discussion saying some credential abt> > him/> > > > > family or parampara ( u can also refer in this grp too as i dont> > want> > > > to> > > > > name any body ), even some one was claiming as if thier some > > family> > > > > Elder/or his guru is originator of this shloka and i shud respect> > it> > > > > .That has created more anguish in me as i know what all this so> > called> > > > > adages ( luggages ) has destroyed how many persons reputation and> > > > > ability to predict .> > > > >> > > > > Now let us come down to basics ,what abt basics u learned> > > > >> > > > > what abt ishta parivarthan ? what abt dushta parivarthan ,what> > abt> > > > > dainya parivarthan ?? Even what abt daridra yoga tru parivarthan> > ??> > > > >> > > > > do u think all this time it will work on that way mentioned in> > this> > > > > shloka> > > > >> > > > > if u question again ,u can see more additions to sloka s appearing> > > > >> > > > > By the by do u hav any idea what is the source of this shloka than> > any> > > > > thing written in sanskrit has any authenticity> > > > >> > > > > if Jupiter is Lagna lord and sani is 2nd/3rd lord and sani in> > lagna> > > > and> > > > > how u predict this> > > > >> > > > > if jupiter is 4th Lord and lagna Lord and in 3rd house and sani in> > 4th> > > > > house ,how u take it ??> > > > >> > > > > if jupiter is 8th Lord and sani is 9th L and in parivarthan how u> > take> > > > > it> > > > >> > > > > if jupiter is 7th L and sani is 8th Lord and sani in 7th house how> > u> > > > > take this> > > > >> > > > > all same results ??> > > > >> > > > > do we need the crutches of a shloka for all this situations to> > arrive> > > > > results based on pure logic s> > > > >> > > > > sure one tree wont make a forest ,so one sani or one jup is not> > > > ultimate> > > > > idea to see the chart and chart will get modify on various factors> > > > ,but> > > > > here i am asking the pure logic> > > > >> > > > > if we know Logics in proper way we can make 1000s of new yogas> > .Even> > > > > better than misleading one .> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "vijay.goel"> > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,> > > > > >> > > > > > The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as follows> > :> > > > > >> > > > > > Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.> > > > > > Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.> > > > > >> > > > > > This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.> > > > > >> > > > > > This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples in> > the> > > > > > Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002 issue.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > jaipur> > > > > >> > > > > > ,> > > > "astro_tellerkerala"> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear Goel Ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange> > > > > > >> > > > > > > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange Yoga> > s,Max> > > > > > > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic> > > > concepts> > > > > in> > > > > > > astrology> > > > > > >> > > > > > > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to post> > it> > > > > > >> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , gopal krishna> > > > goel> > > > > > > g.k.goel@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:> > > > > > > > "If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs , Saturn> > > > > > > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the Bhava"> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > G. K. Goel> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000> > > > > > > > Re: Badaka comcept -dear> > > > Gopi> > > > > > Jee> > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear gopi ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sure ,Thanks> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ,> > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks....> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > "astro_tellerkerala"> > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By some> > > > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi karau> > > > > > > > > > shani:"""""""XXXXXX> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > > "astro_tellerkerala"> > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi JI> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or some> > > > > forumites> > > > > > > may b> > > > > > > > > > > knowing it> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------something like this i> > blv> > > > > ,means> > > > > > > sat> > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is placed> > and> > > > > will> > > > > > > > > distroy> > > > > > > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the> > > > signification> > > > > of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it aspects> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its exaltation> > why> > > > > it> > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person also> > need> > > > not> > > > > > > work> > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > others )> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is> > latest> > > > > > > scenario> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how many> > > > persons> > > > > > were> > > > > > > > > under> > > > > > > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were paid in> > > > terms> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > Landed> > > > > > > > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know> > this> > > > was> > > > > so> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > kerala> > > > > > > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world history> > where> > > > > > > Military> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman ,kids> > and> > > > > > > youths> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As> > arbian> > > > > > > deserts> > > > > > > > > wont> > > > > > > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living .> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual life> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho he> > may> > > > or> > > > > > may> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > b> > > > > > > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the> > house> > > > of> > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > > placement> > > > > > > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat> > vice-verse.I> > > > > > found> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > working> > > > > > > > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well known> > > > > > > > > astrologer......> > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > "Karan"> > > > > > > karan@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have mentioned,> > for me> > > > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me> > > > dis-satisfaction> > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > matter> > > > > > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but> > nothing> > > > > ever> > > > > > > > > > > satisfied.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been> > applicable> > > > > > wherein> > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in service> > and> > > > > > creates> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not> > happiness.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > best regards> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Karan> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > Manoj> > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava> > Chalit> > > > > > concept> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in using> > it.> > > > > > Hence> > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Badaka> > > > comcept> > > > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for> > > > > Judiciary,Teaching> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > Account> > > > > > > > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th is> > > > > Natural> > > > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any impure> > > > work> > > > > > than> > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in 9th> > house> > > > > see> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > chalit> > > > > > > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury in> > > > > > 12th,Moon> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th> > house> > > > > Ketu> > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > placed.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > Manoj> > > > > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this out> > > > because> > > > > > > this is> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is not> > > > > > > necessarily> > > > > > > > > > > great.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > Badaka> > > > > > comcept> > > > > > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much Board> > well> > > > in> > > > > > > kali> > > > > > > > > yuga> > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of) vimala> > Yoga> > > > (> > > > > > > means> > > > > > > > > NON> > > > > > > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in this> > cut> > > > > > -throat> > > > > > > > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with such> > a> > > > > > attitude> > > > > > > ??> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise patients> > and> > > > giv> > > > > > only> > > > > > > rs> > > > > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the patient> > is> > > > just> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > temporary> > > > > > > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this Louika> > > > Loga> > > > > > and> > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude ??> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > com,> > > > > > > Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my> > teachers,> > > > > Guru> > > > > > in> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > 10H> > > > > > > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even for> > those> > > > > who> > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the 10H> > > > will> > > > > > make> > > > > > > > > them> > > > > > > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work under> > other> > > > > > > people.> > > > > > > > > Some> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the deb> > > > house> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter,> > > > > > > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it> > "enhances"> > > > > the> > > > > > > 6H of> > > > > > > > > > > Work> > > > > > > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it> > difficult> > > > > to> > > > > > go> > > > > > > > > past> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions etc> > > > might> > > > > be> > > > > > > > > denied> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is only> > one> > > > > > factor> > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one can> > > > explain> > > > > > > career> > > > > > > > > > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala@> > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Badaka> > > > > comcept> > > > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak> > concept> > > > > > tagging> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi> > dictums> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet guru> > in> > > > > 10th> > > > > > > House> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > u> > > > > > > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen with> > other> > > > > > > factors> > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen frm> > > > Prashna> > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one 's> > karma> > > > > ,its> > > > > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its frutification> > till> > > > > the> > > > > > > time> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/> > obstacles> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present birth )> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making human> > Like> > > > > some> > > > > > > > > animals> > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav no> > > > choices> > > > > > > ,where> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough free> > will> > > > > also> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > humans> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a Monolithic> > > > stone> > > > > > > > > structure> > > > > > > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after Knowing> > the> > > > > > > saraswathi> > > > > > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of their> > kid> > > > > > --just> > > > > > > leav> > > > > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but just> > made> > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about the> > > > > statement> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with lagna> > > > > and2nd> > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th house of> > > > luck> > > > > > > apart> > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one with> > sat> > > > > in> > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > asp> > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only nothing> > > > else....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about> > Saturn> > > > > being> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn is> > not> > > > to> > > > > be> > > > > > > > > blamed> > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > ones> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous> > utterances> > > > > > done> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > present> > > > > > > > > > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha prarabdha,> > or as> > > > > > > Kriyamana> > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ? How> > is> > > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the> > strongest> > > > > > > > > significator> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned> > wealth> > > > and> > > > > > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > > > > > from family> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for negatives> > > > from> > > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives and> > not> > > > > taint> > > > > > > them> > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn has> > > > become> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > punching> > > > > > > > > > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one just> > uses> > > > > > normal> > > > > > > > > > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for the> > 10th> > > > > house> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > karm> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house,> > whereas> > > > > mars> > > > > > is> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its Exaltation> > point> > > > in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to> > grant> > > > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > > > material and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations of> > the> > > > > > Supreme> > > > > > > Lord> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both in> > > > speech> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > treatment> > > > > > > > > > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but> > just> > > > > > > instruments> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > award us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha, and> > the> > > > > > various> > > > > > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > > > > > just show> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature of> > the> > > > > pains> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his> > > > ancestory> > > > > in> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > field> > > > > > > > > > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if you> > say> > > > > that> > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for last> > 20> > > > > > years> > > > > > > ? I> > > > > > > > > am> > > > > > > > > > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri> > Paramhansa> > > > > > > > > Yoganandji,> > > > > > > > > > > His> > > > > > > > > > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri> > > > Mahasaya,> > > > > > and> > > > > > > His> > > > > > > > > > > guru> > > > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary and> > > > > > undermine> > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > Gurus> > > > > > > > > > > > by saying> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we appear> > to> > > > > look> > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not talking> > if> > > > > > normally> > > > > > > > > > common> > > > > > > > > > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody here> > > > doing> > > > > > > Kriya> > > > > > > > > > yoga,> > > > > > > > > > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri "> > addressed> > > > to> > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > name> > > > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > > > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant of> > the> > > > > > Great> > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya> > parampara if> > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > considers> > > > > > > > > > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times. Because> > His> > > > > > Shishya> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji, and> > his> > > > > > shishya> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > myself> > > > > > > > > > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him directly.> > Which> > > > is> > > > > > why> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > never> > > > > > > > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an astrologer> > or> > > > to> > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri Paramhansa> > > > > > > Yoganandji> > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > last> > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do not> > > > demand> > > > > > > respect> > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya> > yoga,> > > > > Hong> > > > > > > Sau or> > > > > > > > > > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But since> > you> > > > > are> > > > > > > doing> > > > > > > > > > > this,> > > > > > > > > > > > you have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and appear> > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and proud of> > > > your> > > > > > > > > > attainments> > > > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > .> > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is unique> > and> > > > i> > > > > > dont> > > > > > > > > > deserve> > > > > > > > > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt but> > > > cant> > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > sat> > > > > > > > > > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta( Real> > > > > McCoy)and> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > realized> > > > > > > > > > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop thinking> > and> > > > > start> > > > > > > living> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga and> > > > > > Energisation> > > > > > > > > > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then you> > are a> > > > > > > unique> > > > > > > > > > member> > > > > > > > > > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix "Shri"> > also I> > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your> > goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________> > __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 19,> > 2009> > > > > > 6:58:38> > > > > > > AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_> > astrology]> > > > > Re:> > > > > > > > > > > Neechabanga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rajyoga-dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tripathy ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is not your usual way of> > > > > adressing> > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much.Pl> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > adress me the same way and dont> > > > degrade> > > > > me> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > sir> > > > > > > > > > > > etc.Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Dear guru nagarajan ji sure ,i hav a personal /imotional connection with madurai and by all means i will try to visit there in case everything is coming as i expected even still not sure wheter i will trvel or not blessing i dont know wheter i am eligible to bless any one but sure i wanted to meet good souls like u and the PS iyyer memorial astro- institute in madurai and if possible we can discuss and do some trnslations of some of iyyers booksor atleast some main points for our grp to benefit and also many of the astro-books classics r in tamil ( one of oldest Language in the world and india )also ( i think a vast treasure in there in astrology in tamil and many of the work is neglected by tamilians itself -esp contributed by siava -jaina sidha s in tamil ),even i heard few names frm my guru like marana kandi ,etc so if time/opportunity permits we can hav good discussion on it i am looking forward for it .rest let god decide rgrds sunil nair , "Guru.nagarajan" <guru_naga_astrologer wrote:>> dear sir,>  > ///Frm tomorrow onwards i am not sure wheter i will participate in grp activities as i hav some personal work and i am not sure wheter i will hav to trvel to south or not ///> if u come to madurai (tamilnadu) u must call me i want ur bless. my mobile no +91-9843219990.> with regards> guru.nagarajan> > > > --- On Fri, 2/10/09, astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala Re: Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.- A chart> > Friday, 2 October, 2009, 3:53 AM> > >  > > > > > Dear vijay Goel Ji > >  Haha > > ""Karako bhava nashaya """""> > again a theory which is not prooved exclusivly ( even since i am not a bookish fellow i dont Know which ancent classics supports this or which rishi propogated it ) > > esp as u said Jupiter is having Karakatwa for Max Numbr of bhava s .why ??> > because jupiter is sarveshwara karaka or Lord vishnu s blessing or Narayana and his strnght is also has a say in strnght and weakness in a chart ( as it is also known as Jeeva means life ,) esp according to indian tradtion which blvs in Dharma ,artha ,kama ,moksha / 4 ashrama s and 4 varnas ( dont confuse it with latest casteism ) > > so it is a wide canvass than what we know now a days with our limited thinking pattern of present days > > In short astrology is not abt winning a lottery or knowing bank balance or how much money one may make tru bribe /cheating /foul games /planning /scheming ( in short survival of fittest coined by moderners )> > A chart is map of heavens for seeing continuation of journey of a soul /a tradition /a family /his moksha /etc etc which so vast and wide in concepts .Those days no one was measured his success in terms how many zeros u hav in ur banks balance .> > Any way in short i dont find this theory is not working in real practise > > one of my Gurus told me it will work in where there is jeeva factor ( like a living person ) and bhava factor combines is there > > Like 4th moon and mother > > 5th jupiter and kids > > 9th sun and father > > but he told me jupiter is karaka for money > so his presence in 2nd or 11th is not bad for money karya as money is not a living entity .> Again here dont think verbatim and losses ,it may even giv strained relations with concerned persons which bhavas represents and karaka s indicates > > same way try with other karakas and i think this is working alsmost 50%> > rgrds sunil nair > > Frm tomorrow onwards i am not sure wheter i will participate in grp activities as i hav some personal work and i am not sure wheter i will hav to trvel to south or not .> > so pls carry on discussion even tho i am not present in discussions > > i lov ur enthusism > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel" goyalvj@ wrote:> >> > For to add Lagna the karak bhava for jupiter.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel" goyalvj@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil Nairji,> > > > > > Just one more thought last one .> > > > > > Jupiter is karak for all good bhavas in the chart and nearly karak for half number of bhavas (2,5,9,10,11 & 7 for females)> > > > > > Now If 'Karaka Bhava Nashya theory' works than all good bhavas results are lost and in bad bhavas result will not come.> > > > > > Thankyou,> > > Regards,> > > Vijay Goel> > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala " <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel Ji> > > > > > > > Thanks for ur post> > > > > > > > My all idea of contesting many neo dictums ( which has no backing of> > > > classical texts ) is just reduce more luggage to future generation s> > > > than i hav any hidden motiv behind it .Even we know that due to some> > > > interpolation/ lack of our understanding /even a change of one akshra can> > > > giv a total contradictory meaning or some thing some shlokas .So our> > > > idea of a grp discussion is not to belittle others but aid each other in> > > > predicting /seeing the chart in better way .This can b done tru a mass> > > > participation or a grp participations .> > > > > > > > ############ ######> > > > Most important which is my personal view that after discussion on this> > > > sloke i> > > > felt that we are no need of this sloke while analysing any horoscope, so> > > > i left> > > > it.> > > > ############ ######### #> > > > > > > > Sure ,Thanks .i am grateful> > > > > > > > > > > > ############ ###> > > > > > > > Just for an knowledge , you will see that throughout whole life esteemed> > > > research minded astrologer late Sri H n Katwe cursed jupiter and said> > > > that it> > > > can never give good results in life, exalted jupiter is worst and> > > > debilitated> > > > jupiter is best for kaliyug. He supported this idea in his writings many> > > > times.> > > > So if makar jupiter is good and kumbh jupiter is treated as exalted in> > > > north> > > > that half part of sloke automatically gets right > > > > > > > > But in experience you may not find this right.> > > > > > > > ############ ######### ####> > > > > > > > May b possible depends on chart in dasa s jupiter may giv good or bad> > > > results> > > > > > > > but placemnt/strnght of a jupiter also strnghtens or weakens a chart> > > > > > > > But in Kaliyuga where idealism represented by jupiter is not required i> > > > find ppl with malefic planets strong influence chart make it successful> > > > > > > > So i hav to partialy agree to it> > > > > > > > But that does not has anything to do with Bhava hani assigned to Jup .At> > > > one look even we may say like debilated jup in 5th house for kanya lagna> > > > may deny kids or atleast male progency> > > > (but if u see tagore s chart ,can we assign the exalted jup in> > > > parivathan with moon ( lagna and 5th L ) say his reasons for lack of> > > > male kids and most of the kids has some problem or death even b4 he left> > > > this world ( sorry using memory --i know he has some problems happened> > > > in his life as rgrds to kids but not realy sure abt it )> > > > > > > > but in practical life i find it is giving contrary results> > > > > > > > so neither the bhava hani happened here nor debilation has denied the> > > > progency> > > > > > > > but how can we make sure that such a chart with male kids will b having> > > > good exprnce frm their kids ?? .> > > > > > > > who knows when the boy grow up he can make the life of parents miserable> > > > and result in putra sokha in diffrnt way .> > > > > > > > So we need to see various other factors and that is what i was trying to> > > > convey .> > > > > > > > Thanks for ur mail and contributing in this discussion ,it was realy> > > > worth it> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil Nairji,> > > > >> > > > > //in ur shloka it says the sani /jup in mutual signs ( i still dont> > > > know is it implies together ( then it is parivarhtan yoga only ) or> > > > seperately as diffrnt cases ) //> > > > >> > > > > It is very clear that this sloke never talks for parivatana, i am sure> > > > about it, infact in parivartana this sloke will not work as parivartana> > > > rules will get applied. Just apply it separately.> > > > >> > > > > I said that way back in 2002 i have discussion on this sloke with an> > > > very experienced astrologer, now i am not getting that magazine on my> > > > hand, else i would add some more clarification.> > > > >> > > > > Most important which is my personal view that after discussion on this> > > > sloke i felt that we are no need of this sloke while analysing any> > > > horoscope, so i left it.> > > > >> > > > > Just for an knowledge , you will see that throughout whole life> > > > esteemed research minded astrologer late Sri H n Katwe cursed jupiter> > > > and said that it can never give good results in life, exalted jupiter is> > > > worst and debilitated jupiter is best for kaliyug. He supported this> > > > idea in his writings many times.> > > > > So if makar jupiter is good and kumbh jupiter is treated as exalted in> > > > north that half part of sloke automatically gets right > > > > >> > > > > But in experience you may not find this right.> > > > >> > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel Ji> > > > > >> > > > > > sure ,That sloka was no way supportiv or helps in aiding a student> > > > or a> > > > > > astrologers in accurate predictions> > > > > >> > > > > > even our GK goel saab has said it is abt parivarthana yoga s> > > > > >> > > > > > in ur shloka it says the sani /jup in mutual signs ( i still dont> > > > know> > > > > > is it implies together ( then it is parivarhtan yoga only ) or> > > > > > seperately as diffrnt cases )> > > > > >> > > > > > Both ways we can find it no way supported any claims> > > > > >> > > > > > Sage garga and mantreswara giv a spl case for sani for Sagitarious> > > > lagna> > > > > > i think sani shud join sun here and some other conditions like Moon> > > > etc> > > > > > shud b strong .Other than this case and sani alone in jupiterian> > > > signs> > > > > > in dasa ( not bhava hani or vridhi ) is generaly good ,but kendra> > > > shud> > > > > > hav benefics i think to fully blossom the results .i am to find> > > > sani in> > > > > > such a position aiding a nativ to attain some thing extra ordinary> > > > > > unless some exceptions r there and applicable .> > > > > >> > > > > > pls try any chart of ur direct knowledge and let us try .i stand to> > > > > > correct my understanding when a dictum is working at least in 80% of> > > > the> > > > > > charts> > > > > >> > > > > > thanks> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nairji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In this chart, infact we donot need this sloke to explain> > > > anything.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > pls see this chart> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > January 24, 1998> > > > > > > > Time: 13:27:00> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 8:00:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > Place: 103 E 53' 00", 1 N 18' 00"> > > > > > > > Gay World Park, Singapore> > > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (26.86% left)> > > > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > > > > > > Nakshatra: Jyeshtha (Me) (82.74% left)> > > > > > > > Yoga: Dhruva (Ke) (81.30% left)> > > > > > > > Karana: Balava (Mo) (53.72% left)> > > > > > > > Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Vi)> > > > > > > > Sunrise: 7:18:15> > > > > > > > Sunset: 19:14:44> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > this is a chart of a girl -pls listen to her mom s words> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ############ ######### ####> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > She has eczemya which seems to be getting from bad to worse no> > > > > > matter> > > > > > > > the number pf treatments that i bring her to. She has bad skin> > > > > > problems> > > > > > > > which make her feel more insecure and its a big distraction for> > > > her> > > > > > > > studies. She is very disobidient and stubborn to everyone around> > > > > > her.> > > > > > > > She does not have any interest in studying, she gets angry and> > > > > > > > frusturated very fast and does not listen to anyone around her.> > > > Her> > > > > > > > studies are failing and she does not seem anxious about it too.> > > > > > > > ############ ######### ####> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > if u make the chart and see aries lagna rising and 11th L sat in> > > > > > 12th> > > > > > > > House and 12th L jupiter is in 11th House> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > her merc dasa is running which strted at birth and last phace> > > > which> > > > > > was> > > > > > > > sani now after jupiter sub period .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > u all can see wheter sani has incresed ( vridhi ) or decreased> > > > (> > > > > > hani )> > > > > > > > the good signification of the house he sits> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sure any one can say frm this chart the significations of gains> > > > will> > > > > > b> > > > > > > > affected ( as jup in 11th and causing a hani ) so it shud hav> > > > > > affected> > > > > > > > in material wealth than in the way of diseases etc> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This chart is in possession of another prominent memebr of this> > > > grp> > > > > > too> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel Ji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks for this supposed full shloka> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > when ever there was a discussion on this ADAGE all this yrs > > > > in> > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > forums of and when ever it appeared it i also challenged> > > > it> > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > alwys quoted was in the form of last line (#### Sthana hani> > > > > > karo> > > > > > > > > jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani. ######) And no one has quoted> > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > first line> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Now i am thankfull for u ,u hav givn the first line too ###> > > > > > Jeeva> > > > > > > > > Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.###> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Those days no one quoted this missing first Line even when> > > > > > challenged> > > > > > > > > it they rather escaped the discussion saying some credential> > > > abt> > > > > > him/> > > > > > > > > family or parampara ( u can also refer in this grp too as i> > > > dont> > > > > > want> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > name any body ), even some one was claiming as if thier some> > > > > > family> > > > > > > > > Elder/or his guru is originator of this shloka and i shud> > > > respect> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > .That has created more anguish in me as i know what all this> > > > so> > > > > > called> > > > > > > > > adages ( luggages ) has destroyed how many persons reputation> > > > and> > > > > > > > > ability to predict .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Now let us come down to basics ,what abt basics u learned> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > what abt ishta parivarthan ? what abt dushta parivarthan> > > > ,what> > > > > > abt> > > > > > > > > dainya parivarthan ?? Even what abt daridra yoga tru> > > > parivarthan> > > > > > ??> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > do u think all this time it will work on that way mentioned in> > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > shloka> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > if u question again ,u can see more additions to sloka s> > > > appearing> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > By the by do u hav any idea what is the source of this shloka> > > > than> > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > thing written in sanskrit has any authenticity> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > if Jupiter is Lagna lord and sani is 2nd/3rd lord and sani in> > > > > > lagna> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > how u predict this> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > if jupiter is 4th Lord and lagna Lord and in 3rd house and> > > > sani in> > > > > > 4th> > > > > > > > > house ,how u take it ??> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > if jupiter is 8th Lord and sani is 9th L and in parivarthan> > > > how u> > > > > > take> > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > if jupiter is 7th L and sani is 8th Lord and sani in 7th house> > > > how> > > > > > u> > > > > > > > > take this> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > all same results ??> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > do we need the crutches of a shloka for all this situations > > > > to> > > > > > arrive> > > > > > > > > results based on pure logic s> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sure one tree wont make a forest ,so one sani or one jup is> > > > not> > > > > > > > ultimate> > > > > > > > > idea to see the chart and chart will get modify on various> > > > factors> > > > > > > > ,but> > > > > > > > > here i am asking the pure logic> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > if we know Logics in proper way we can make 1000s of new yogas> > > > > > .Even> > > > > > > > > better than misleading one .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Nair ji & list,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The complete sloke which is populer in north India is as> > > > follows> > > > > > :> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jeeva Shetre Yada Sani, sani shetra yada jeeva.> > > > > > > > > > Sthana hani karo jeeva, Sthana Vriddi karo Sani.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This is the sloke which Sri G K Goel is referring at.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This sloke has been also discussed in details with examples> > > > in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Magazine Jyotish Manthan August 2002 issue.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > > jaipur> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > > > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > dear Goel Ji> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > i do hav full faith in ur knowledge but> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Pls see that the sloka no where says abt exchange> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > also what ever u r saying is against rules of exchange> > > > Yoga> > > > > > s,Max> > > > > > > > > > > malefics in a house can ruin that house according to basic> > > > > > > > concepts> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > other wise if u hav full text of shloka pls feel free to> > > > post> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, gopal> > > > krishna> > > > > > > > goel> > > > > > > > > > > g.k.goel@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I also do not have the sloka ,but it means that:> > > > > > > > > > > > "If Jupiter and Saturn are exchanging their signs ,> > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > > will do Viridhi to bhava and Jupiter will harm the> > > > Bhava"> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > G. K. Goel> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:22:12 +0000> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Badaka comcept> > > > -dear> > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear gopi ji> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > sure ,Thanks> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > o.k.Sunil nair ji,thanks... .> > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > > > > > > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji and List> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here is the adage on sani and jup propogated By> > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > XXXXX""Bhava Nasha Karo Jeeva Bhava Vriddhhi> > > > karau> > > > > > > > > > > > > > shani:"""""XXXXXX> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tho it does not hav any textual support> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > > > > > > "astro_tellerkerala "> > > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi JI> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls quote the full dictum if u remebr it or> > > > some> > > > > > > > > forumites> > > > > > > > > > > may b> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowing it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even this was discussed many times in grp> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i do remebr it but forget full quote> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vridhi karo manda ------------ something like this> > > > i> > > > > > blv> > > > > > > > > ,means> > > > > > > > > > > sat> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > increse the significations of the house it is> > > > placed> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > distroy> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the house it aspects and jup will destroy the> > > > > > > > signification> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses it is placed and improv the bhavas it> > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even In ur case do u blv so ??> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In that case why the sat irrespectiv of its> > > > exaltation> > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessed u with unlimited money ( A rich person> > > > also> > > > > > need> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > work> > > > > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others )> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is 10th house is all abt some paid Job ?? which is> > > > > > latest> > > > > > > > > > > scenario> > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this present age ? where as in olden days how> > > > many> > > > > > > > persons> > > > > > > > > > were> > > > > > > > > > > > > under> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > permanent jobs ? with regular salaries> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > even in india miliatry persons and cheifs were> > > > paid in> > > > > > > > terms> > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > Landed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properties than a permannt salary ( atleast i know> > > > > > this> > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > so> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kerala> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > History ) till the advent of islam in world> > > > history> > > > > > where> > > > > > > > > > > Military> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allowed to Loot the enmies and enslave all woman> > > > ,kids> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > youths> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sell it or keep it and it was salary for them .As> > > > > > arbian> > > > > > > > > > > deserts> > > > > > > > > > > > > wont> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giv them enough facility for a comfortable living> > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 10th house has Lot of signification in actual> > > > life> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do u think shri KN rao Ji dont hav a good job tho> > > > he> > > > > > may> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > b> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied in it ,i dont Know much abt it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a dictum which says that jup spoils the> > > > > > house> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placement> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and improves the houses it aspects and sat> > > > > > vice-verse.I> > > > > > > > > > found> > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well.I read it in newspaper column of a well> > > > known> > > > > > > > > > > > > astrologer.. ....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "Karan"> > > > > > > > > > > karan@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would further affirm what you have> > > > mentioned,> > > > > > for me> > > > > > > > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exhaled in 10H and it has always given me> > > > > > > > dis-satisfaction> > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > matter> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fast i grew, not had problems in promotions but> > > > > > nothing> > > > > > > > > ever> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfied.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also the worker and boss factor has been> > > > > > applicable> > > > > > > > > > wherein> > > > > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always wanted to lead but is impossible in> > > > service> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > creates> > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction again.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10H jupiter has given steady growth but not> > > > > > happiness.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bohra Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you much for your comments. The Bhava> > > > > > Chalit> > > > > > > > > > concept> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new to me and hence I am not very confident in> > > > using> > > > > > it.> > > > > > > > > > Hence> > > > > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > default view is always Rashi view.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sudan msbohra62@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 2:56:13> > > > PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > > Badaka> > > > > > > > comcept> > > > > > > > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider the Jupiter in 10 house for> > > > > > > > > Judiciary,Teaching> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Account> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services where purity of person is require.!10th> > > > is> > > > > > > > > Natural> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Jupiter in Saturn house.if person did any> > > > impure> > > > > > > > work> > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > punished by his Karma (Saturn).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But here in Gopi ji's chart Jupiter is in> > > > 9th> > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chalit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.Rahu in 4th,Saturn in Lagana,Sun & Mercury> > > > in> > > > > > > > > > 12th,Moon> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Mars in 11th.Ketu is in 10th.So here in 10th> > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > Ketu> > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > M.S.Bohra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you. I wanted to bring this> > > > out> > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > > this is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of those subtle areas, where a benefic in 10H is> > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > necessarily> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > great.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala> > > > <astro_tellerkerala> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009> > > > 10:41:20 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > > > > Badaka> > > > > > > > > > comcept> > > > > > > > > > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj JI> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very Valid and Logical Points> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also benefics in 10th H also dont much> > > > Board> > > > > > well> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > kali> > > > > > > > > > > > > yuga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it wants to giv the Nativ karma (a sort of)> > > > vimala> > > > > > Yoga> > > > > > > > (> > > > > > > > > > > means> > > > > > > > > > > > > NON> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -impure or pure ) means purity in actions .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a days how many persons can win in> > > > this> > > > > > cut> > > > > > > > > > -throat> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > competition and survival of fittest world with> > > > such> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > attitude> > > > > > > > > > > ??> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now doctors if they dont terrorise> > > > patients> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > giv> > > > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > > rs> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tablets for curing as the condition of the> > > > patient> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > temporary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one , how many will even respect them in this> > > > Louika> > > > > > > > Loga> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own crores of rs enterprises with such attitude> > > > ??> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandran> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to my notes from one of my> > > > > > teachers,> > > > > > > > > Guru> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10H> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not especially auspicious for career. Even> > > > for> > > > > > those> > > > > > > > > who> > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strong career Karma in their charts, Guru in the> > > > 10H> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > make> > > > > > > > > > > > > them> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constantly dissatisf ied and unable to work> > > > under> > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > people.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Some> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the reasons are a) 10H of the Kalapurusha is the> > > > deb> > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) From the 10H Jupiter aspects the 6H. So it> > > > > > "enhances"> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > 6H of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Work> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the 10H of career. So the person finds it> > > > > > difficult> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > go> > > > > > > > > > > > > past> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "worker" mode to the "boss" mode. So promotions> > > > etc> > > > > > > > might> > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > denied> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfaction might ensue. Ofcourse this is> > > > only> > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > factor> > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point is even without the Bhadaka concept, one> > > > can> > > > > > > > explain> > > > > > > > > > > career> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems with this placement.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala> > > > astro_tellerkerala@> > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, September 25, 2009> > > > 10:04:00 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology]> > > > Badaka> > > > > > > > > comcept> > > > > > > > > > > -dear> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jee> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopi Ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I stil not convinsed abt this badak> > > > > > concept> > > > > > > > > > tagging> > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > charts and i blv it is highly stretchting rishi> > > > > > dictums> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In ur case the so called badaka planet> > > > guru> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > House> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may Not hav a regular Job but it is to b seen> > > > with> > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > factors> > > > > > > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simply clinging with such one liners> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I blv the badaka concept has to b seen> > > > frm> > > > > > > > Prashna> > > > > > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as it will only shows the obstacles due to one> > > > 's> > > > > > karma> > > > > > > > > ,its> > > > > > > > > > > > > effects> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working after one taken birth and its> > > > frutification> > > > > > till> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > time> > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seeing prashna ( in short the frutification/> > > > > > obstacles> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's own karma done after taken the present> > > > birth )> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other wise i think it is Like making> > > > human> > > > > > Like> > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > > animals> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some tuned robotic computer progrmms and we hav> > > > no> > > > > > > > choices> > > > > > > > > > > ,where> > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not so in reality and god has givn enough> > > > free> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > humans> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so our chart is not some think a> > > > Monolithic> > > > > > > > stone> > > > > > > > > > > > > structure> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which cannot changed ( i mean our fate )> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did u find any parents even after> > > > Knowing> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > saraswathi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s/higher educations yogas etc in a chart of> > > > their> > > > > > kid> > > > > > > > > > --just> > > > > > > > > > > leav> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children to fate and sits carelessly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna" gopi_b927@ .> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One thing is i never blamed sat,but> > > > just> > > > > > made> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subjective(astrolog y)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > statement.Everythin g written about> > > > the> > > > > > > > > statement> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination/ interpretation etc etc.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One who has nipuna yoga in 11th with> > > > lagna> > > > > > > > > and2nd> > > > > > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speach(note> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > retro) in his own house,RY in 9th> > > > house of> > > > > > > > luck> > > > > > > > > > > apart> > > > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VRY> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can talk> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything and get away but not the one> > > > with> > > > > > sat> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > asp> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > badhaka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jup.I am talking astrology only> > > > nothing> > > > > > > > else....> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not repeat again and again about> > > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > putting the planet to blame. Saturn> > > > is> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > blamed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ones> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > poorva> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas are, for wrong or ambigous> > > > > > utterances> > > > > > > > > > done> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > present> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > result of Dridha or adridha> > > > prarabdha,> > > > > > or as> > > > > > > > > > > Kriyamana> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karmas. Why> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we hang saturn everytime for this ?> > > > How> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blamed kindly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say ? In fact Saturn will be the> > > > > > strongest> > > > > > > > > > > > > significator> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope for acquiring self earned> > > > > > wealth> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from family> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one should not always look for> > > > negatives> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Rahu, rather look at positives> > > > and> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > taint> > > > > > > > > > > them> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessarily.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately Mars, Rahu and saturn> > > > has> > > > > > > > become> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > punching> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bag for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ills in ones Life, whereas if one> > > > just> > > > > > uses> > > > > > > > > > normal> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commonsense one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > find that saturn is the Owner for> > > > the> > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > karm> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resultant> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gains as seen from the 11th house,> > > > > > whereas> > > > > > > > > mars> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agression in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work as confirmed from its> > > > Exaltation> > > > > > point> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > natural> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th. Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually one of the prime planets to> > > > > > grant> > > > > > > > > > > happiness> > > > > > > > > > > > > > both> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > material and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The planets are the manifestations> > > > of> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Supreme> > > > > > > > > > > Lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one must> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utter their names with respect both> > > > in> > > > > > > > speech> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > treatment> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . remember> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the actual culprits but> > > > > > just> > > > > > > > > > > instruments> > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > award us> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or pleasures as per our prarabdha,> > > > and> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > various> > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just show> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reveal the various ways and nature> > > > of> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > pains> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pleasures which> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will receive, and nothing more.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should always be proud of his> > > > > > > > ancestory> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > field> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is in.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot call yourself ordinary if> > > > you> > > > > > say> > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing Kriya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Shri Paramhansa Yoganandji for> > > > last> > > > > > 20> > > > > > > > > > years> > > > > > > > > > > ? I> > > > > > > > > > > > > am> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure you know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the greatness of Your guru Shri> > > > > > Paramhansa> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yoganandji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yukteshwarji, His guru Shri Lahiri> > > > > > > > Mahasaya,> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > His> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guru> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Babaji.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can one call himself ordinary> > > > and> > > > > > > > > > undermine> > > > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurus> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by saying> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is not unique ? Why must we> > > > appear> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > look> > > > > > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are Unique ? Here we are not> > > > talking> > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > normally> > > > > > > > > > > > > > common> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uniqueness> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific uniqueness. Is everybody> > > > here> > > > > > > > doing> > > > > > > > > > > Kriya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as must be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > done actually ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why dont you deserve a "Shri "> > > > > > addressed> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > > > name> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with above ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even myself is a direct descendant> > > > of> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Great> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri K S> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Krishnamurthy in guru Shishya> > > > > > parampara if> > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > considers> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the term as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > applicable in current times.> > > > Because> > > > > > His> > > > > > > > > > Shishya> > > > > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kasbe ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his Shishya was Shri sahasneji,> > > > and> > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > shishya> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > myself> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as having> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learnt KP system from him> > > > directly.> > > > > > Which> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > never> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > allow> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disrespect to myself as an> > > > astrologer> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am also a shishya of Shri> > > > Paramhansa> > > > > > > > > > > Yoganandji> > > > > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > last> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 15 Years> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a member of Yogoda, but do> > > > not> > > > > > > > demand> > > > > > > > > > > respect> > > > > > > > > > > > > > due> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > association , since not into Kriya> > > > > > yoga,> > > > > > > > > Hong> > > > > > > > > > > Sau or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > energisations> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > techniques as taught by him. But> > > > since> > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > doing> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right not to demand respect and> > > > appear> > > > > > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unnecessary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > humble.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be strong of your virtues and> > > > proud of> > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > > > > > > attainments> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really truthful to the cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "gopalakrishna"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi_b927@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to me everybody is> > > > unique> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > dont> > > > > > > > > > > > > > deserve> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > written....sorry if you are hurt> > > > but> > > > > > > > cant> > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > since> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sat> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes makes me talk like> > > > this.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One more thing a jeevanmukta(> > > > Real> > > > > > > > > McCoy)and> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > realized> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one whom i> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal touch said stop> > > > thinking> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > start> > > > > > > > > > > living> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > made me> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand everybody is unique.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopi.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > astrology@> > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Gopi ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If You are doing Kriya Yoga> > > > and> > > > > > > > > > Energisation> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > excersises of Shri> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paramhansa Yoganand ji, then> > > > you> > > > > > are a> > > > > > > > > > > unique> > > > > > > > > > > > > > member> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > august> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gathering, and the affix> > > > "Shri"> > > > > > also I> > > > > > > > > > would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as most> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a personage like Your> > > > > > goodself.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Pranams to you.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards/Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________> > > > _________> > > > > > __> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gopalakrishna> > > > gopi_b927@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> > > > astrology@> > > > > > > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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