Suitability of Mantra

September 30, 2009

Suitability of MantraQuestion ---------There are methods to determine the suitability of Mantra for particular

person (Aa-Ka-Tha-Ha Chakra,Rni-Dhani Chakra etc). Please enlighten us

with following doubts

1. When is it necessary to check the mantra with above methods?

2. It is said the Mahamantra like Mritunjay Mantra,Shri Krishna Mantra, Gayatri Mantra are suitable for all.

3. What if the beejmantra of ones istadevta is not suitable for him ?

Does that means he has yet to arrive at his istadevta ? Please also

explain in what circumstances there is no need for checkin the mantras?

4. Does Mantra japa should esentialy be followed by homa?

There are lot of theories floating around on net. I request you to kindly enlighten us with your knowledg and experince.

RegradsAnswer -------------------As you have rightly noted, there are many stories floating around both

in book form and in internet. The fact is none of these stories may

have credibilty.

To explain all of your questions is not very easy and many will not

understand it. Yet I shall make an attempt as best as I can. I am not a

Mantra / Tantra expert. But being Bhramin and by nature was led into

understanding some of the concepts and practice whenever required. One

of the reason may be due to the fact that Astrology & Sashtras goes

hand in hand and Astrology is just a tool to understand Sashtras

including Mantras / Tantras.

I will start with

//Please also explain in what circumstances there is no need for checkin the mantras?

My answer to this is simple. Those mantras that are received as

tradition in ones family does not require any checking. Gayatri mantra

initiation of Bhramin boy is a perfect example. Does the scriptures

tell us to check whether the mantra is suitable for the boy? No. It is

because of the traditional concurrence. Similarly some families

traditional propitiate certain dieties at home or in their family

temple. The decendants of those families are not required to check the

mantras pertaining to those dieties. The scientific reasoning could be

that they have in them energy corresponding to those dieties.

However, for all others, it is always good to check whether the mantras are suitable for them.

Mantras are seen from the 5th house. It is called Mantras sthana. so if

the 5th house is well placed, reciting mantras shall help him. On the

contrary if it is associated with dusthans, he should not recite

mantras, but rather propitiate the diety in other ways.

For example if 5th lord is placed in th 6th, it is said that his

children will become his enemies. so we can assume that the mantra

shall turn againt him. This is only a basic concept.

If the 9th is strong, He can do Upasana of the dieties with pooja, sahasranama japa etc, but mostly without mantras.

Mantras sastra advocate to do 1/3 count of Tarpana and 1/3 count of Havana for the count of Japas done.

During Sandhya Vandha japa, Tarpana is also done. However if

the Gayatri Japa is specificaly done in large no's Both are done. This

is a requirement of Mantra sadhana.

from the above , it is easy to understand that if the beeja mantra is not suitable for a person, he / she should not recite it.

For specific reasons, women should recite only those mantras that are

allowed to them and in the way it is ordained. For example : It is

ordained that pranava or "Ohm" should eminate from the abdomen while

men are reciting and from throat while women are reciting.

In fact "amen" chanted by other religions is a lesser way of Ohm ordained to them.

However, today, in the pretence of discrimination and equality, there

is no control on what one does and those who knows are scared even to

open their mouth. So instead of gaining knowledge and corrections, the

unfortunately fall prey to their own doings.

Just like people of each country is adapted to the natural & living

conditions there, people of each sect / region etc are adapted to each

tantra or methods of rituals. They can follow their own without much

fear, but adopting others should be done carefully and with sound

advice.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

September 30, 2009

1. Mantras are applied and practiced in various ways - japa, yoga, manana, tatva cintana etc. The "suitability" is applicable in case of japa/upasana. 2. There are different ways and modes in which japa/upasana is done - nitya, diksha, purascarana etc. Homa is required in some kinds of diksha and each diksha specifies its count for homa etc. In Purascarana there are five parts including japa, homa (1/10 of japa), tarpana (1/100 japa), abhisheka (1/1000 japa), samaradhana (1/10000 japa). Even here all the steps other than japa can be substituted with multiplied japa. Nitya japa does not need homa. 3. Typically mantra devata is known from 5th place and tapas in general from 9th place. However, there are many other factors - for instance -

whether 5th and lagna lords are enemies by nature - the grahas in and aspecting 5th place 4. It is true that for some mantras like Gayatri one does not need to check all this - however it still depends on his tapas and jataka whether he will ever attain siddhi of those. Hope this helps. Shankarastro_tellerkerala <astro_tellerkerala Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:01:52 PMSubject:

Suitability of Mantra

September 30, 2009

Dear sankar Bharadwaj JI Thanks for further additions on the post .pls contribute and illuminate us when ever u feel it is neccessary rgrds sunil nair , ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj wrote:>> 1. Mantras are applied and practiced in various ways - japa, yoga, manana, tatva cintana etc. The "suitability" is applicable in case of japa/upasana. > > 2. There are different ways and modes in which japa/upasana is done - nitya, diksha, purascarana etc. Homa is required in some kinds of diksha and each diksha specifies its count for homa etc. In Purascarana there are five parts including japa, homa (1/10 of japa), tarpana (1/100 japa), abhisheka (1/1000 japa), samaradhana (1/10000 japa). Even here all the steps other than japa can be substituted with multiplied japa. Nitya japa does not need homa. > > 3. Typically mantra devata is known from 5th place and tapas in general from 9th place. However, there are many other factors - for instance > - whether 5th and lagna lords are enemies by nature > - the grahas in and aspecting 5th place > > 4. It is true that for some mantras like Gayatri one does not need to check all this - however it still depends on his tapas and jataka whether he will ever attain siddhi of those. > > Hope this helps. > > Shankar> > > > > ________________________________> astro_tellerkerala astro_tellerkerala > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:01:52 PM> Suitability of Mantra> > > > > > Suitability of Mantra>

October 2, 2009

1. Classifications are many in mantras. Stri-Purusha is one of them. From 5th place and grahas in and aspecting 5th, this will be known. Kuja-Surya-Budha-Guru signify Purusha Devatas. Candra-Sukra-Rahu signify Stri Devatas and/or Mantras. Sani signifies napumsaka mantras. However their mere presence or aspect does not ensure one will attain siddhi of those mantras. Their relation with lagna and 5th lord, bhagya and other factors matter. 2. Besides, there are waking and sleeping times for each mantra. These are ascertained from various factors, including dasa but is a complex calculation. 3. It is an overkill to attempt estimating the length of a mantra one practices, for various reasons - mantras range

from single syllable to thousands of syllables. The author here seems to consider very short mantras for convenience. But that is not the case practically. Also, any seasoned sadhaka will be having upasana of multiple mantras. 4. There is nothing like whether one "can do it himself". The support from strong initiation can be known from guru sthana and one's own efforts from karma sthana in a general thumb rule, but initiation is nevertheless necessary. 5. The combination and placement of Sukra, Sani and Ketu also matters in these. Sunil Nair <astro_tellerkeralaTo:

Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 9:57:02 PM Re: Suitability of Mantra

Dear List some additional points on suitability of mantra s rgrds sunil nair ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====

In continuation to my last posting I am adding a little bit more which I feel shall be helpfull.

I shall more info on the subject.

Mantra Akshara Ganana.

The no of akshras in a mantra should be ascertained from Lagna & 5th house.

1) No of navamsa completed by the 5th lord from lagna rasi onwards

2) No of navamsa completed by the 5th lord from 5th sign onwards

This no shall be the total no of aksharas in the mantra. If jupiters sign's dhanu or meena falls among the counted signs, there will be pranava in the mantra. Otherwise it will not be present.

Another method.

A) The no of signs from the planet concerned upto its navamsa sign

B) the no of signs of the planet upto the navamsa of the 5th lord

C)The total of the above gives the no of aksharas in the mantra

As in the first case, if dhanu or meena are present among the counted signs, there will be pranava in the mantra.

Mantras are of three types.

Stree Mantras, Purusha mantras and napumsaka mantras.

Stree Mantras : Mantras that end with "Swaha"

Napumsaka Mantras : That end with "NamaH"

Purusha Mantras : That end with "VashaT" and all others.

Can I do mantra japa on my own?

There is way to quickly ascertain if he can do mantra japa on his own.

If the 10th house â€“ karma sthana or its lord is strong, without malefic association, he shall benefit by doing mantra japa. Otherwise it is likely that defects shall creep in the process and he may not benefit. In such case, it is always better to do poojas at temples, recite sahasranamas etc or get the assistance of priests to do the remedial poojas.

This is only a quick method. However if lagna Chandra or Sun are very strong, he might be able to correct any mistakes or cross hurdles in doing the japa sadhana by sheer will power. Hence, this factor also should be considered. Similarly strength of 9th house of bhagya may enable him to complete it due to the grace of Guru or his ancestors or his own acquired virtues.

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

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October 4, 2009

Sorry, some mistake -

Day before yesterday while coming from bikaner to Jaipur, it was a 5

hours drive and reached home ay midnight 00.15 hrs. My stomache had

started paining for the last 2 hours of the drive due to probably extra

ghee which was poured on my Rice (Which is normal for Bikaneris but not

for me), at lunch time and then in the evning Mithai, kachoris and other

stuff which I think reacted on my small stomache.

It was actually last night on Sharad Poornima (The night of Raasa by

Lord Krishna at Brindavan and Nathdwara) when we had darshan of

Chandramaji (The Moon)and later went to sleep that I had darshan of Lord

Shiva in my dreams.

regards/Bhaskar.

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Pranadas ji, Yes that is the truth actually. Some people dont

> know the essence of astrology, for which I am not even sure I should

> blame them or not, bcoz in todays astrology all they know is that

> Saturn,Rahu and Mars is bad, and Sun in 7th creates divorce and all

this

> bankas bakwaas. They treat the planets as bad, rather than

understanding

> the theory of Karma and the resultant Prarabdha which is Bhogya

through

> the instruments and nature of these planets. Mata Kakeyi was not evil,

> she was just an instrument in the play of the lords Avataar on earth.

> But mand buddhis will not understand this. Rahu is also seated in my

> lagna in degreecal conjunction with Mars. It aspects my 5th and 9th,

as

> well as 4th and 8th. I normally when sit for pooja, recite my mantras

> loudly(Average) and can sit for 3 hours at a stretch without rest on

the

> asana. I am normally reciting sanskrit stotras so love to make them

> audible. I also recite Durga saptashathi which I love very much

> alongwith the Nitya patha. My favourite Diety is Lord Krishna, but I

> treat all the major Gods as part of the family and recite mantras for

> all of them. In fact day before yesterday I met my mantra Guru and he

> asked me to increase my patha of Lord Shankara. I reminded him that my

> favourite mantra is what he gave me 25 years back was of (He completed

> this sentence for me )Lord Krishna. He counter questioned me , " what

do

> you say when doing Arti of Shankar Bhagwaan " ? I was perplexed at his

> question and muttered something incohensible. He replied to his own

> question " You sing - Brahma vishnu Sadashiv...... If You sing this

then

> why do you not mean it? If You also do Pooja of Shankar Bhagwaan and

> then do Mantra of lord Krishna you will get more benefits, as Lord

> Shankara loves Lord Krishna " . This replye and explanation from My

> Guruji closed my query. To top it, after meeting my guruji in Bikaner

> and reaching home(Jaipur) at midnight, when I went to sleep I dreamt

of

> a thousand snakes all around me, and felt no fear in my dream, and at

> the close of the dream got a Darshan of lord Shankar taking the Ganga

on

> His locks. This dream was as if to confirm what my Guruji mentioned. I

> am into Rahu mahadasha presently and my Guru antar has just started a

> fortnight ago. Since last 2 years I have been having many dreams of

> saints and Venerated personages appearing in my dreams and blessing

me.

> This is the power of Rahu. All above I did not wish to reveal but

> doing so just to affirm and break stupid modern misconceptions, by

> relaying and relating experiences in Rahu period, with Rahu aspecting

> 5th, through first person. I also have the Moon in my 5th house

> -Sagittarius aspected by the Sun and Mercury in Gemini from 11th . (I

> was born on Poornima). I also have the Kaivalya Yoga in my Kundli

(Ketu

> 12th from karakamsha in navamsha). As per KP I have already been

> predicted Moksha recently by Shri Yogesh Rao Lajmi ji and also another

> KP Senior. But I am not taking chances like a Karmaheena waiting for

> destiny to gift me, but instead working on my efforts and Karmas to

> achieve this. rest God knows. best wishes, Bhaskar.

>

> , s s freemorons@

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji and others,

> > I have rahu in 5th (in kanya), and it is surprising to read someone

> claiming

> > that mantra sadhana is not possible. Mantra-sadhana is a intensely

> personal

> > experience, with the devata revealing him/herself when we are in

rapt

> > concentration chanting the mantra again and again, looking into the

> inner

> > depths of our self. As such, one cannot " prove " that s/he has had

> mantra

> > sadhana to anyone other than one's own guru.

> >

> > As such, Bhaskarji appears to be right in this matter - although I

am

> not

> > sure I completely agree to shakti-sadhana being Rahu;s contribution

(I

> am a

> > devotee of Narayana (mercury house, afterall), and any upasana I

have

> of

> > Durga is only to get more access to Narayana's divine grace...not

> > otherwise)... Mercury is not very strong in my horoscope as well (i

> > think)...would anyone care to comment?

> >

> > Sincere request to people - do not state things without actually

> quoting

> > texts or explaining rationale...and please refrain from bogus

> statements

> > like " rahu in 5th will not give sadhana " ...we all know that it is

> impossible

> > to state anything without looking at relative placements of all

> planets.

> >

> > hari smaraNs,

> > prANadAsa.

> >

> > On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Now you are talking some sense. Dont waste my

> > > time in asking me to give abc of astrology. Learn this yourself

> please.

> > > This is what I wanted you to understand that Rahu in 5th will

> provide

> > > one the traits of how the native will do his mantra sadhana, but

> because

> > > Rahu is there in 5th does not mean that " Mantra Sadhana " is denied

> to

> > > him. This is bakwaas.

> > >

> > > I dont have to provide evidence in support of whatever I say.

> Believe it

> > > or not. Accept it or not. In this case for such a simple topic it

is

> > > understood that a person who dares to discuss should know by using

> some

> > > of his brains that when I Mentioned " Vocal " and " Loud " and " Nature

> of

> > > results " , it is pretty evident what I am talking about. Spoon

> feeding

> > > if one wants, then better go to a kindergarten class.

> > >

> > > Rahu additionally will make the native go for tamasik Mantras of

> Dieties

> > > of Rudra type . (Now dont ask me to give evidence, but use your

> brains

> > > please)

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > > --- In

>

<%40yaho\

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> ogroups.com>,

> > > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > >

> > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > it's a common knowledge that rahu's link to shakti sadhana is

> figment

> > > of imagination done by jyotishis in 70's decade, kk pathak and

> others

> > > published no of articles in A.M.

> > > >

> > > > rahu in 5'th or in lagna is liable to failure of sadhana, such a

> rahu

> > > affects concentration required for doing sadhana, native becomes

> fancy

> > > and gets lost therein. need to understand difference in traits of

> rahu

> > > (attachment to materialism) and ketu (detachment to materialism).

> > > >

> > > > he is asking evidences whereas he himself has not given evidence

> in

> > > support of statement in hurry - " rahu in 5'th will give LOUD or

> VOCAL

> > > mantra sadhana " , a statement similar to rahu's trait.

> > > >

> > > > --- In

>

<%40yaho\

\

> ogroups.com>,

> > > ShankaraBharadwaj

> > > Khandavalli shankarabharadwaj@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree for the most part. Material-Spiritual natures of

> Rahu-Ketu

> > > cannot be made to read that one would do matra sadhana or not. At

> most,

> > > that would only convey the kind of results of such sadhana -

whether

> the

> > > sadhana will confer material or inner benefits. But that too, is

> > > dependent not on the mantra devata as such but the dasa one is

going

> > > through. After all, any serious sadhana will result in every kind

of

> > > improvement in one's life and the whole being.

> > > > >

> > > > > In general it is the Mantra devata that is known from 5th. The

> > > Adhisthana devata of planet owning or falling in the 5th will be

the

> > > Mantra devata. Thus Rahu's influence will make one take to

> Jatavedasi

> > > Durga specifically or Durga in general. Ganapati would be fruitful

> if

> > > there is Ketu in the 5th. Also, since they are always aspecting

each

> > > other, both would be fruitful in many cases. However whether one

> does

> > > patha or antarjapa or something, whether one would attain siddi is

> > > dependent on many other factors.

> > > > >

> > > > > Shankar

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish@

> > > > > To:

>

<%40yaho\

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> ogroups.com>

> > > > > Sunday, October 4, 2009 11:10:38 AM

> > > > > Re: Suitability of Mantra

> > > > >

> > > > > Nonsense Jyotish

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu in 5th will not give mantra Sadhana.

> > > > > Ketu in 5th will give mantra Sadhana.

> > > > >

> > > > > Actual Jyotish

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)Any planet in 5th will actually be a significator for

> > > > > Mantra Sadhana. In fact will give addittion to what

> > > > > native would have ordinarily done in absence of

> > > > > any planet in the 5th.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2) The planet in 5th will show the nature of Mantra

> > > > > Sadhana.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3) Rahu in 5th will make the native take up Vocal

> > > > > or loud Mantra Sadhana which he will enjoy.

> > > > > Ketu in 5th instead would make the native enjoy

> > > > > silent japa.

> > > > >

> > > > > 4) Planets are instruments to show the nature of

> > > > > results, native will face due to his Prarabdha, Dridha

> > > > > or Adridha, and also Kriyaman karmas. Planets are

> > > > > not the cause but just the source and imply the way

> > > > > or nature results would manifest.

> > > > >

> > > > > etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 4, 2009

Dear Neelam ji,This is better commented by someone who knows jyotisha than me, as it is not my subject. However, since you have asked here is my take - There is no answer that I know of, to the question "who would be the mantra devata", it is only whether "does upasana of so and so devata would succeed or not" or "what would you recommend for this horoscope". Typically, worship of Adhisthana devata of strong lagna lord, 5th lord, grahas in 5th house, grahas aspecting 5th house, dasadhipati all have chances of success under the conditions of their enemity or friendship with lagna lord and 5th lord. In the example you gave, Mars and Moon are in 5th, Jupiter is aspecting 5th - their Adhisthana devatas being Kumaraswamy (Skanda), Parvati and Siva respectively, any of these

should be fruitful in their dasas. However Ju being the lagnadhipati, that should be fruitful even if Ju does not aspect 5th (but for the fact that Ju is weak in satru sthana). However Ju-Ma yoga should makes things really good. I know of a person whose lagnadhipati (sagi) Ju is in exalted state in 8th house, with Moon and Rahu in 10th, Ma in 12th and Me, Su, Ve in 11th aspecting 5th house. He has successful upasana of Siva and Devi. He actually initiated his worship with Hanuman and Rama and was a Vishnu worshiper for a while, then started more serious upasana in mantra marga. All these have succeeded while he went through his Rahu maha dasa. He had seen brief testing times but the real longlasting and result giving was Siva upasana. However, Ju neither aspects 5th nor is in 5th nor aspects janma rasi (kanya). The only thing one might observe is that Ju is aspecting Mars in 12th. I read that Ju being the strong lagnadhipati such upasana would

always be fruitful. And after Rahu as his Ju maha dasa starts he should only be seeing better times in upasana. On a general note, from astrological perspective what might make more sense is that owing to enmity with lagnadhipati some specific upasanas might result in negative results in material terms. One would either brush it off or reason out as a "divine testing", but such things are typically not advised when one sees a horoscope. What is friendly to lagnadhipati or dasadhipati is advised. Shankarneelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 3:07:29 PMRe: Re: Suitability of Mantra

Dear Shankar ji,What is the best way to assess a conjunction? Or strong influences?E.g. who would be the mantra devata for a sagitarius native who has 5L Mars in fifth in degree conjunction with Moon (the 8L)

and who is aspected by Jupiter, also the lagna lord from 11th house. I was totally confused when the native asked me.Would appreciate your comments.RegardsNeelam

2009/10/4 ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj@ >

Dear Bhaskar ji,I agree for the most part. Material-Spiritual natures of Rahu-Ketu cannot be made to read that one would do matra sadhana or not. At most, that would only convey the kind of results of such sadhana - whether the sadhana will confer material or inner benefits. But that too, is dependent not on the mantra devata as such but the dasa one is going through. After all, any serious sadhana will result in every kind of improvement in one's life and the whole being.

In general it is the Mantra devata that is known from 5th. The Adhisthana devata of planet owning or falling in the 5th will be the Mantra devata. Thus Rahu's influence will make one take to Jatavedasi Durga specifically or Durga in general. Ganapati would be fruitful if there is Ketu in the 5th. Also, since they

are always aspecting each other, both would be fruitful in many cases. However whether one does patha or antarjapa or something, whether one would attain siddi is dependent on many other factors. Shankar

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>ancient_indian_ astrology

Sunday, October 4, 2009 11:10:38 AM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Suitability of Mantra

Nonsense Jyotish

Rahu in 5th will not give mantra Sadhana.

Ketu in 5th will give mantra Sadhana.

Actual Jyotish

1)Any planet in 5th will actually be a significator for

Mantra Sadhana. In fact will give addittion to what

native would have ordinarily done in absence of

any planet in the 5th.

2) The planet in 5th will show the nature of Mantra

Sadhana.

3) Rahu in 5th will make the native take up Vocal

or loud Mantra Sadhana which he will enjoy.

Ketu in 5th instead would make the native enjoy

silent japa.

4) Planets are instruments to show the nature of

results, native will face due to his Prarabdha, Dridha

or Adridha, and also Kriyaman karmas. Planets are

not the cause but just the source and imply the way

or nature results would manifest.

etc.

Bhaskar.

October 4, 2009

Dear Pranadasa ji,Sakti sadhana being Rahu's contribution is something I mentioned too, but my reading is that in your case it should more be the lagna lord's contribution - Ve. Also, Ve and Me being mitra, both Devi and Vishnu worship should be fruitful. Of course, quick grace would be of whoever is stronger Shankars s <freemoronsTo:

Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 8:57:12 PMRe: Re: Suitability of Mantra

Dear Bhaskarji and others,I have rahu in 5th (in kanya), and it is surprising to read someone claiming that mantra sadhana is not possible. Mantra-sadhana is a intensely personal experience, with the devata revealing him/herself when we are in rapt concentration chanting the mantra again and again, looking into the inner depths of our self. As such, one cannot "prove" that s/he has had mantra sadhana to anyone other than one's own guru.

As such, Bhaskarji appears to be right in this matter - although I am not sure I completely agree to shakti-sadhana being Rahu;s contribution (I am a devotee of Narayana (mercury house, afterall), and any upasana I have of Durga is only to get more access to Narayana's divine grace...not otherwise).. . Mercury is not very strong in my horoscope as well (i think)...would anyone care to comment?

Sincere request to people - do not state things without actually quoting texts or explaining rationale... and please refrain from bogus statements like "rahu in 5th will not give sadhana"...we all know that it is impossible to state anything without looking at relative placements of all planets.

hari smaraNs,prANadAsa.

October 5, 2009

Dear Shankarji,My pranams to your feet for any guidance you can provide to me will be received with as much reverence as rAma pAduka...Please let me know if you and others would be willing to look at my chart to help me understand my spiritual side...a humble and sincere request by me.

hari smaraNs,prAnadAsa.On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:36 PM, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj wrote:

Dear Pranadasa ji,Sakti sadhana being Rahu's contribution is something I mentioned too, but my reading is that in your case it should more be the lagna lord's contribution - Ve. Also, Ve and Me being mitra, both Devi and Vishnu worship should be fruitful. Of course, quick grace would be of whoever is stronger

Shankar

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Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 8:57:12 PMRe: Re: Suitability of Mantra

Dear Bhaskarji and others,I have rahu in 5th (in kanya), and it is surprising to read someone claiming that mantra sadhana is not possible. Mantra-sadhana is a intensely personal experience, with the devata revealing him/herself when we are in rapt concentration chanting the mantra again and again, looking into the inner depths of our self. As such, one cannot " prove " that s/he has had mantra sadhana to anyone other than one's own guru.

As such, Bhaskarji appears to be right in this matter - although I am not sure I completely agree to shakti-sadhana being Rahu;s contribution (I am a devotee of Narayana (mercury house, afterall), and any upasana I have of Durga is only to get more access to Narayana's divine grace...not otherwise).. . Mercury is not very strong in my horoscope as well (i think)...would anyone care to comment?

Sincere request to people - do not state things without actually quoting texts or explaining rationale... and please refrain from bogus statements like " rahu in 5th will not give sadhana " ...we all know that it is impossible to state anything without looking at relative placements of all planets.

hari smaraNs,prANadAsa.

October 5, 2009

Dear Bhaskar jiIn Sharad poornima , moon showers Amrit and if you prepare Kheer in cow milk and keep whole night on open place , that kheer ahve a vital power and that gives body resistance power.But you enjoyed lot of heavy stuff , inspite of keer.Ok enjoy , RegardsDr Mishra--- On Sun, 10/4/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Suitability of Mantra Received:

Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:02 PM

Sorry, some mistake -

Day before yesterday while coming from bikaner to Jaipur, it was a 5

hours drive and reached home ay midnight 00.15 hrs. My stomache had

started paining for the last 2 hours of the drive due to probably extra

ghee which was poured on my Rice (Which is normal for Bikaneris but not

for me), at lunch time and then in the evning Mithai, kachoris and other

stuff which I think reacted on my small stomache.

It was actually last night on Sharad Poornima (The night of Raasa by

Lord Krishna at Brindavan and Nathdwara) when we had darshan of

Chandramaji (The Moon)and later went to sleep that I had darshan of Lord

Shiva in my dreams.

regards/Bhaskar.

ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"

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