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Dating the Era of Lord Ram:

Discover the Actual Dates of the Lifetime of Lord Ram

Excerpts…(The following document is the 'MOST' authentic scientific work that does

not need further scientific verification.)

 

The story of Shri Rams' life was first narrated by Maharishi Valmiki in the Ramayana, which was written after Shri Ram was crowned as the king of Ayodhya.

 

Maharishi Valmiki was a great astronomer as he has made sequential astronomical references on important dates related to the life of Shri Ram indicating the location of planets,

vis-a-vis, zodiac constellations and the other stars (nakshatras). Needless to add that similar position of planets and nakshatras is not repeated in thousands of years.

 

By entering the precise details of the planetary configuration of the important events in the life of Shri Ram as given in the Valmiki Ramayan in the software named "Planetarium" corresponding exact dates of these events according to the English calendar can be known.

 

Mr Pushkar Bhatnagar of the Indian Revenue Service had acquired this software from the US. It is used to predict the solar/lunar eclipses and distance and location of other planets from earth. He entered the relevant details about the planetary

positions narrated by Maharishi Valmiki and obtained very interesting and convincing results, which almost determine the important dates starting from the birth of Shri Ram to the date of his coming back to Ayodhya after 14 years of exile.

 

Maharishi Valmiki has recorded in Bal Kaand sarga 19 and shloka eight and nine (1/18/8,9) that Shri Ram was born on ninth tithi of Chaitra month when the position of different planets vis-a-vis zodiac constellations and nakshatras

(visible stars) were:

a) Sun in Aries; b) Saturn in Libra; c) Jupiter in Cancer;

d) Venus in Pisces; e) Mars in Capricorn; f) Lunar month of Chaitra; g) Ninth day after no moon; h) Lagna as Cancer (cancer was rising in the east); i) Moon on the Punarvasu (Gemini constellation & Pllux star); j) Day time (around noon).

 

This data was fed into the software. The results indicated that this was exactly the location of planets/stars in the noon of January 10, 5114 BC. Thus Shri Ram was born on January 10, 5114 BC (7123 years back).

 

As per the Indian calendar it was the ninth day of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra month and the time was around 12 to 1 noon time. This is exactly the time and date when Ram Navmi is celebrated all over India.

 

Shri Ram was born in Ayodhya.

 

This fact can be ascertained from several books written by Indian and foreign authors before and after the birth of Christ - Valmiki Ramayan, Tulsi Ramayan, Kalidasas' Raghuvansam,

Baudh and Jain literature, etc.

 

These books have narrated in great detail the location, rich architecture and beauty of Ayodhya which had many palaces and temples built all over the kingdom. Ayodhya was located on the banks of the Saryu river with Ganga and Panchal Pradesh on one side and Mithila on the other side.

 

Normally 7,000 years is a very long period during which earthquakes, storms, floods and foreign invasions change the

course of rivers, destroy the towns/buildings and alter the territories.

 

Therefore, the task of unearthing the facts is monumental. The present Ayodhya has shrunk in size and the rivers have changed their course about 40 km north/south. Shri Ram went out of Ayodhya in his childhood (13th year as per Valmiki Ramayan) with Rishi Vishwamitra who lived in Tapovan (Sidhhashram).

 

From there he went to Mithila, King Janakas' kingdom. Here he married Sita after breaking Shiv Dhanusha (bow).

 

Researchers have gone along the route adopted by Shri Ram as narrated in the Valmiki Ramayan and found 23 places which have memorials that commemorate the events related to the life of Shri Ram. These include Shringi Ashram, Ramghat, Tadka Van, Sidhhashram, Gautamashram, Janakpur (now in Nepal), Sita Kund, etc.

 

Memorials are built for great men and not for fictitious characters.

 

Date of exile of Shri Ram: It is mentioned in Valmiki Ramayans' Ayodhya Kand (2/4/18) that Dashratha wanted to make Shri Ram the king because Sun, Mars and Rahu had surrounded his nakshatra and normally under such planetary configuration the king dies or becomes a victim of conspiracies.

 

Dashratha's zodiac sign was Pisces and his nakshatra was Rewati. This planetary configuration was prevailing on the January 5, 5089 BC, and it was on this day that Shri Ram left

Ayodhya for 14 years of exile. Thus, he was 25 years old at that time (5114-5089). There are several shlokas in Valmiki Ramayan which indicate that Shri Ram was 25-years-old when he left Ayodhya for exile.

 

Valmiki Ramayan refers to the solar eclipse at the time of war with Khardushan in later half of 13th year of Shri Rams' exile. It is also mentioned it was amavasya day and Mars was

in the middle ... When this data was entered, the software indicated that there was a solar eclipse on October 7, 5077 BC,

(amavasya day) which could be seen from Panchvati.

 

The planetary configuration was also the same - Mars was in the middle, on one side were Venus and Mercury and on the other side were Sun and Saturn.

 

On the basis of planetary configurations described in various other chapters, the date on which Ravana was killed works out to be December 4, 5076 BC, and Shri Ram completed 14 years of exile on January 2, 5075 BC, and that day was also Navami of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra month.

 

Thus Shri Ram had come back to Ayodhya at the age of 39 (5114-5075).

 

A colleague, Dr Ram Avtar, researched on places visited by Shri Ram during his exile, and sequentially moved to the places stated as visited by Shri Ram in the Valmiki Ramayan; starting from Ayodhya he went right upto Rameshwaram. He found 195 places which still have the memorials connected to the events narrated in the Ramayana relating to the life of Shri Ram and Sita. These include Tamsa Tal (Mandah), Shringverpur (Singraur), Bhardwaj Ashram (situated near Allahabad), Atri Ashram, Markandaya Ashram (Markundi),

Chitrakoot, Pamakuti (on banks of Godavari), Panchvati, Sita Sarovar, Ram Kund in Triambakeshwar near Nasik, Shabari Ashram, Kishkindha (village Annagorai), Dhanushkoti and Rameshwar temple.

 

In Valmiki Ramayan it is mentioned that Shri Ram's army constructed a bridge over the sea between Rameshwaram and Lanka. After crossing this bridge, Shri Rams' army had defeated Ravana.

 

Recently, NASA put pictures on the Internet of a man-made bridge, the ruins of which are lying submerged in Palk Strait between Rameshwaram and Sri Lanka.

 

Recently the Sri Lankan Government had expressed the desire to develop Sita Vatika as a tourist spot. Sri Lankans believe this was Ashok Vatika where Ravana had kept Sita as a prisoner (in 5076 BC).

 

Indian history has recorded that Shri Ram belonged to the Suryavansh and he was the 64th ruler of this dynasty. The names and other relevant particulars of previous 63 kings are listed in Ayodhya Ka Itihas written about 80 years ago by Rai Bahadur Sita Ram.

 

Professor Subhash Kak of Lousiana University, in his book, The Astronomical Code of the Rig Veda, has also listed 63 ancestors of Shri Ram who ruled over Ayodhya.

 

Sri Rams' ancestors have been traced out as: Shri Ram, King Dashratha, King Aja, King Raghu, King Dilip and so on. From Kashmir to Kanyakumari and from Bengal to Gujarat, everywhere people believe in the reality of Shri Rams' existence, particularly in the tribal areas of Himaachal, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh and the North-East.

 

Most of the festivals celebrated in these areas revolve around the events in the life of Shri Ram and Shri Krishna. The events and places related to the life of Shri Ram and Sita are true

cultural and social heritage of every Indian irrespective of caste and creed. Therefore, it is common heritage.

 

After all, Shri Ram belonged to the period when Prophet Mohammed or Jesus Christ were not born and Muslim or Christian faiths were unknown to the world.

 

The words Hindu (resident of Hindustan) and Indian (resident of India) were synonymous. India was also known as Bharat (land of knowledge) and Aryavarta (where Aryans live) and Hindustan (land of "Hindus" - derived from word Indus).

 

During Ram Rajya (rule), the evils of caste system based on birth were non-existent.

 

In fact, Maharishi Valmiki is stated to be of shudra class

(scheduled caste), still Sita lived with him as his adopted daughter after she was banished from Ayodhya. Luv and Kush grew in his ashram as his disciples..

 

We need to be proud of the fact that Valmiki was perhaps

the first great astronomer and that his study of planetary configurations has stood the test of times.

 

Even the latest computer softwares have corroborated his astronomical calculations, which proves that he did not

commit any error. Shabari is stated to be belonging to the Bheel tribe..

 

Shri Ram's army, which succeeded in defeating Ravana, was formed by various tribals from Central and South India.

 

The facts, events and all other details relating to the life of Shri Ram are the common heritage of all the Indians including scheduled castes, scheduled tribes, Muslims, Christians, etc.

 

Prophet Mohammad was born 1,400 years ago. Jesus Christ was born 2,000 years back. Gautam Buddha was born 2,600 years back, whereas Ram was born 7,000 years ago.

 

Hence, discovering the details relating to Shri Rams' life would be lot more difficult as destruction caused by floods, earthquakes and invasions etc., would be far greater. But, should that stop our quest for learning more about our cultural heritage?

 

As Indians, let us all take pride in the fact that the Indian civilization is the most ancient civilisation today. It is certainly more than 10,000 years old. Therefore, let us reject the story of Aryan invasion in India in 1,500 BC as motivated implantation.

 

In fact Max Mueller, who was the creator of this theory, had himself rejected it.

 

Let us admit that during the British Rule, we were educated in the schools based on Macaulay school of thinking which believed that everything Indian was inferior and that entire "Indian literature was not worth even one book rack in England."

 

If there were similarities in certain features of Indian people and people from Central Europe, then automatic inference drawn was that the Aryans coming from Europe invaded India and settled here. No one dared of thinking in any other way.

 

Therefore, there is urgency for the historians and all other intellectuals to stop reducing Indian history to myth. There is need to gather, dig out, search, unearth and analyze all the evidences, which would throw more light on the ancient Indian civilization and culture.

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Dear Rashmi-ji & other learned friends,

 

Please excuse my ignorance. I have only two questions

 

1) If I am not mistaken, now-a-days Sun is in Aries during

April-May (month of Vaishakh). What may be the reason that

Sun was in Aries in Chaitra (March-April) in ancient days ?

2) During Navami tithi, the angular distance between Sun & Moon

should be 9x12 degree = 108 degree. So whether Moon can be

in Mithuna ?

 

regards

 

Chakraborty

 

 

 

rashmi patel [rashmihpatel] Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:38 AM Cc: Subject: Fw: DISCOVER THE ACTUAL DATES OF THE LIFETIME OF LORD RAM

 

 

 

 

----- Forwarded Message ----rashmi patel <rashmihpatel >rashmi patel <rashmihpatel >Cc: sohamsa Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 5:42:14 PMDISCOVER THE ACTUAL DATES OF THE LIFETIME OF LORD RAM

 

 

 

Dating the Era of Lord Ram:

Discover the Actual Dates of the Lifetime of Lord Ram

Excerpts…(The following document is the 'MOST' authentic scientific work that does

not need further scientific verification.)

 

The story of Shri Rams' life was first narrated by Maharishi Valmiki in the Ramayana, which was written after Shri Ram was crowned as the king of Ayodhya.

 

Maharishi Valmiki was a great astronomer as he has made sequential astronomical references on important dates related to the life of Shri Ram indicating the location of planets,

vis-a-vis, zodiac constellations and the other stars (nakshatras). Needless to add that similar position of planets and nakshatras is not repeated in thousands of years.

 

By entering the precise details of the planetary configuration of the important events in the life of Shri Ram as given in the Valmiki Ramayan in the software named "Planetarium" corresponding exact dates of these events according to the English calendar can be known.

 

Mr Pushkar Bhatnagar of the Indian Revenue Service had acquired this software from the US. It is used to predict the solar/lunar eclipses and distance and location of other planets from earth. He entered the relevant details about the planetary

positions narrated by Maharishi Valmiki and obtained very interesting and convincing results, which almost determine the important dates starting from the birth of Shri Ram to the date of his coming back to Ayodhya after 14 years of exile.

 

Maharishi Valmiki has recorded in Bal Kaand sarga 19 and shloka eight and nine (1/18/8,9) that Shri Ram was born on ninth tithi of Chaitra month when the position of different planets vis-a-vis zodiac constellations and nakshatras

(visible stars) were:

a) Sun in Aries; b) Saturn in Libra; c) Jupiter in Cancer;

d) Venus in Pisces; e) Mars in Capricorn; f) Lunar month of Chaitra; g) Ninth day after no moon; h) Lagna as Cancer (cancer was rising in the east); i) Moon on the Punarvasu (Gemini constellation & Pllux star); j) Day time (around noon).

 

This data was fed into the software. The results indicated that this was exactly the location of planets/stars in the noon of January 10, 5114 BC. Thus Shri Ram was born on January 10, 5114 BC (7123 years back).

 

As per the Indian calendar it was the ninth day of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra month and the time was around 12 to 1 noon time. This is exactly the time and date when Ram Navmi is celebrated all over India.

 

Shri Ram was born in Ayodhya.

 

This fact can be ascertained from several books written by Indian and foreign authors before and after the birth of Christ - Valmiki Ramayan, Tulsi Ramayan, Kalidasas' Raghuvansam,

Baudh and Jain literature, etc.

 

These books have narrated in great detail the location, rich architecture and beauty of Ayodhya which had many palaces and temples built all over the kingdom. Ayodhya was located on the banks of the Saryu river with Ganga and Panchal Pradesh on one side and Mithila on the other side.

 

Normally 7,000 years is a very long period during which earthquakes, storms, floods and foreign invasions change the

course of rivers, destroy the towns/buildings and alter the territories.

 

Therefore, the task of unearthing the facts is monumental. The present Ayodhya has shrunk in size and the rivers have changed their course about 40 km north/south. Shri Ram went out of Ayodhya in his childhood (13th year as per Valmiki Ramayan) with Rishi Vishwamitra who lived in Tapovan (Sidhhashram).

 

From there he went to Mithila, King Janakas' kingdom. Here he married Sita after breaking Shiv Dhanusha (bow).

 

Researchers have gone along the route adopted by Shri Ram as narrated in the Valmiki Ramayan and found 23 places which have memorials that commemorate the events related to the life of Shri Ram. These include Shringi Ashram, Ramghat, Tadka Van, Sidhhashram, Gautamashram, Janakpur (now in Nepal), Sita Kund, etc.

 

Memorials are built for great men and not for fictitious characters.

 

Date of exile of Shri Ram: It is mentioned in Valmiki Ramayans' Ayodhya Kand (2/4/18) that Dashratha wanted to make Shri Ram the king because Sun, Mars and Rahu had surrounded his nakshatra and normally under such planetary configuration the king dies or becomes a victim of conspiracies.

 

Dashratha's zodiac sign was Pisces and his nakshatra was Rewati. This planetary configuration was prevailing on the January 5, 5089 BC, and it was on this day that Shri Ram left

Ayodhya for 14 years of exile. Thus, he was 25 years old at that time (5114-5089). There are several shlokas in Valmiki Ramayan which indicate that Shri Ram was 25-years-old when he left Ayodhya for exile.

 

Valmiki Ramayan refers to the solar eclipse at the time of war with Khardushan in later half of 13th year of Shri Rams' exile. It is also mentioned it was amavasya day and Mars was

in the middle ... When this data was entered, the software indicated that there was a solar eclipse on October 7, 5077 BC,

(amavasya day) which could be seen from Panchvati.

 

The planetary configuration was also the same - Mars was in the middle, on one side were Venus and Mercury and on the other side were Sun and Saturn.

 

On the basis of planetary configurations described in various other chapters, the date on which Ravana was killed works out to be December 4, 5076 BC, and Shri Ram completed 14 years of exile on January 2, 5075 BC, and that day was also Navami of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra month.

 

Thus Shri Ram had come back to Ayodhya at the age of 39 (5114-5075).

 

A colleague, Dr Ram Avtar, researched on places visited by Shri Ram during his exile, and sequentially moved to the places stated as visited by Shri Ram in the Valmiki Ramayan; starting from Ayodhya he went right upto Rameshwaram. He found 195 places which still have the memorials connected to the events narrated in the Ramayana relating to the life of Shri Ram and Sita. These include Tamsa Tal (Mandah), Shringverpur (Singraur), Bhardwaj Ashram (situated near Allahabad), Atri Ashram, Markandaya Ashram (Markundi),

Chitrakoot, Pamakuti (on banks of Godavari), Panchvati, Sita Sarovar, Ram Kund in Triambakeshwar near Nasik, Shabari Ashram, Kishkindha (village Annagorai), Dhanushkoti and Rameshwar temple.

 

In Valmiki Ramayan it is mentioned that Shri Ram's army constructed a bridge over the sea between Rameshwaram and Lanka. After crossing this bridge, Shri Rams' army had defeated Ravana.

 

Recently, NASA put pictures on the Internet of a man-made bridge, the ruins of which are lying submerged in Palk Strait between Rameshwaram and Sri Lanka.

 

Recently the Sri Lankan Government had expressed the desire to develop Sita Vatika as a tourist spot. Sri Lankans believe this was Ashok Vatika where Ravana had kept Sita as a prisoner (in 5076 BC).

 

Indian history has recorded that Shri Ram belonged to the Suryavansh and he was the 64th ruler of this dynasty. The names and other relevant particulars of previous 63 kings are listed in Ayodhya Ka Itihas written about 80 years ago by Rai Bahadur Sita Ram.

 

Professor Subhash Kak of Lousiana University, in his book, The Astronomical Code of the Rig Veda, has also listed 63 ancestors of Shri Ram who ruled over Ayodhya.

 

Sri Rams' ancestors have been traced out as: Shri Ram, King Dashratha, King Aja, King Raghu, King Dilip and so on. From Kashmir to Kanyakumari and from Bengal to Gujarat, everywhere people believe in the reality of Shri Rams' existence, particularly in the tribal areas of Himaachal, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh and the North-East.

 

Most of the festivals celebrated in these areas revolve around the events in the life of Shri Ram and Shri Krishna. The events and places related to the life of Shri Ram and Sita are true

cultural and social heritage of every Indian irrespective of caste and creed. Therefore, it is common heritage.

 

After all, Shri Ram belonged to the period when Prophet Mohammed or Jesus Christ were not born and Muslim or Christian faiths were unknown to the world.

 

The words Hindu (resident of Hindustan) and Indian (resident of India) were synonymous. India was also known as Bharat (land of knowledge) and Aryavarta (where Aryans live) and Hindustan (land of "Hindus" - derived from word Indus).

 

During Ram Rajya (rule), the evils of caste system based on birth were non-existent.

 

In fact, Maharishi Valmiki is stated to be of shudra class

(scheduled caste), still Sita lived with him as his adopted daughter after she was banished from Ayodhya. Luv and Kush grew in his ashram as his disciples..

 

We need to be proud of the fact that Valmiki was perhaps

the first great astronomer and that his study of planetary configurations has stood the test of times.

 

Even the latest computer softwares have corroborated his astronomical calculations, which proves that he did not

commit any error. Shabari is stated to be belonging to the Bheel tribe..

 

Shri Ram's army, which succeeded in defeating Ravana, was formed by various tribals from Central and South India.

 

The facts, events and all other details relating to the life of Shri Ram are the common heritage of all the Indians including scheduled castes, scheduled tribes, Muslims, Christians, etc.

 

Prophet Mohammad was born 1,400 years ago. Jesus Christ was born 2,000 years back. Gautam Buddha was born 2,600 years back, whereas Ram was born 7,000 years ago.

 

Hence, discovering the details relating to Shri Rams' life would be lot more difficult as destruction caused by floods, earthquakes and invasions etc., would be far greater. But, should that stop our quest for learning more about our cultural heritage?

 

As Indians, let us all take pride in the fact that the Indian civilization is the most ancient civilisation today. It is certainly more than 10,000 years old. Therefore, let us reject the story of Aryan invasion in India in 1,500 BC as motivated implantation.

 

In fact Max Mueller, who was the creator of this theory, had himself rejected it.

 

Let us admit that during the British Rule, we were educated in the schools based on Macaulay school of thinking which believed that everything Indian was inferior and that entire "Indian literature was not worth even one book rack in England."

 

If there were similarities in certain features of Indian people and people from Central Europe, then automatic inference drawn was that the Aryans coming from Europe invaded India and settled here. No one dared of thinking in any other way.

 

Therefore, there is urgency for the historians and all other intellectuals to stop reducing Indian history to myth. There is need to gather, dig out, search, unearth and analyze all the evidences, which would throw more light on the ancient Indian civilization and culture.

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Dear friend,

 

You are right.

 

The Ayanamsa then would be around 285 degree 55 minute.

 

You can use this birth detail in J Hora and see for yourself.

 

Here we should not get confused by the English Calendar- it

 

is not a astronomical calander

 

unlike the Indian Calandar

 

where solar Year starts from

 

the day Sun enters zero degree of Aries.

 

So do not think that Lord Shri Ram born on 10th January at that

 

time

 

was born in bone-shivering dead cold winter season

 

and

 

how Sun can be in Aries in that time ?

 

 

There is a little bit of variation of position of planets...may be

 

on account of Ayanamsa errors.

 

Though we may not confirm this birth time of Lord ShreeRam as correct. But we

may explore

 

its possibility from academic point of view only.

 

 

Regards,

 

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

 

, " Chakraborty, PL "

<CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

>

> Dear Rashmi-ji & other learned friends,

>

> Please excuse my ignorance. I have only two questions

>

> 1) If I am not mistaken, now-a-days Sun is in Aries during

> April-May (month of Vaishakh). What may be the reason that

> Sun was in Aries in Chaitra (March-April) in ancient days ?

> 2) During Navami tithi, the angular distance between Sun & Moon

> should be 9x12 degree = 108 degree. So whether Moon can be

> in Mithuna ?

>

> regards

>

> Chakraborty

>

>

> ________________________________

> rashmi patel [rashmihpatel]

> Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:38 AM

>

> Cc:

> Fw: DISCOVER THE ACTUAL DATES OF THE

LIFETIME OF LORD RAM

>

>

>

>

> ----- Forwarded Message ----

> rashmi patel <rashmihpatel

> rashmi patel <rashmihpatel

> Cc: sohamsa

> Tuesday, October 6, 2009 5:42:14 PM

> DISCOVER THE ACTUAL DATES OF THE LIFETIME OF LORD RAM

>

> Dating the Era of Lord Ram:

> Discover the Actual Dates of the Lifetime of Lord Ram

>

> Excerpts...(The following document is the 'MOST' authentic scientific work

that does

> not need further scientific verification.)

>

> The story of Shri Rams' life was first narrated by Maharishi Valmiki in the

Ramayana, which was written after Shri Ram was crowned as the king of Ayodhya.

>

> Maharishi Valmiki was a great astronomer as he has made sequential

astronomical references on important dates related to the life of Shri Ram

indicating the location of planets,

> vis-a-vis, zodiac constellations and the other stars (nakshatras). Needless

to add that similar position of planets and nakshatras is not repeated in

thousands of years.

>

> By entering the precise details of the planetary configuration of the

important events in the life of Shri Ram as given in the Valmiki Ramayan in the

software named " Planetarium " corresponding exact dates of these events according

to the English calendar can be known.

>

> Mr Pushkar Bhatnagar of the Indian Revenue Service had acquired this software

from the US. It is used to predict the solar/lunar eclipses and distance and

location of other planets from earth. He entered the relevant details about the

planetary

> positions narrated by Maharishi Valmiki and obtained very interesting and

convincing results, which almost determine the important dates starting from the

birth of Shri Ram to the date of his coming back to Ayodhya after 14 years of

exile.

>

> Maharishi Valmiki has recorded in Bal Kaand sarga 19 and shloka eight and nine

(1/18/8,9) that Shri Ram was born on ninth tithi of Chaitra month when the

position of different planets vis-a-vis zodiac constellations and nakshatras

> (visible stars) were:

> a) Sun in Aries; b) Saturn in Libra; c) Jupiter in Cancer;

> d) Venus in Pisces; e) Mars in Capricorn; f) Lunar month of Chaitra; g)

Ninth day after no moon; h) Lagna as Cancer (cancer was rising in the east);

i) Moon on the Punarvasu (Gemini constellation & Pllux star); j) Day time

(around noon).

>

> This data was fed into the software. The results indicated that this was

exactly the location of planets/stars in the noon of January 10, 5114 BC. Thus

Shri Ram was born on January 10, 5114 BC (7123 years back).

>

> As per the Indian calendar it was the ninth day of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra

month and the time was around 12 to 1 noon time. This is exactly the time and

date when Ram Navmi is celebrated all over India.

>

> Shri Ram was born in Ayodhya.

>

> This fact can be ascertained from several books written by Indian and foreign

authors before and after the birth of Christ - Valmiki Ramayan, Tulsi Ramayan,

Kalidasas' Raghuvansam,

> Baudh and Jain literature, etc.

>

> These books have narrated in great detail the location, rich architecture and

beauty of Ayodhya which had many palaces and temples built all over the kingdom.

Ayodhya was located on the banks of the Saryu river with Ganga and Panchal

Pradesh on one side and Mithila on the other side.

>

> Normally 7,000 years is a very long period during which earthquakes, storms,

floods and foreign invasions change the

> course of rivers, destroy the towns/buildings and alter the territories.

>

> Therefore, the task of unearthing the facts is monumental. The present Ayodhya

has shrunk in size and the rivers have changed their course about 40 km

north/south. Shri Ram went out of Ayodhya in his childhood (13th year as per

Valmiki Ramayan) with Rishi Vishwamitra who lived in Tapovan (Sidhhashram).

>

> From there he went to Mithila, King Janakas' kingdom. Here he married Sita

after breaking Shiv Dhanusha (bow).

>

> Researchers have gone along the route adopted by Shri Ram as narrated in the

Valmiki Ramayan and found 23 places which have memorials that commemorate the

events related to the life of Shri Ram. These include Shringi Ashram, Ramghat,

Tadka Van, Sidhhashram, Gautamashram, Janakpur (now in Nepal), Sita Kund, etc.

>

> Memorials are built for great men and not for fictitious characters.

>

> Date of exile of Shri Ram: It is mentioned in Valmiki Ramayans' Ayodhya Kand

(2/4/18) that Dashratha wanted to make Shri Ram the king because Sun, Mars and

Rahu had surrounded his nakshatra and normally under such planetary

configuration the king dies or becomes a victim of conspiracies.

>

> Dashratha's zodiac sign was Pisces and his nakshatra was Rewati. This

planetary configuration was prevailing on the January 5, 5089 BC, and it was on

this day that Shri Ram left

> Ayodhya for 14 years of exile. Thus, he was 25 years old at that time

(5114-5089). There are several shlokas in Valmiki Ramayan which indicate that

Shri Ram was 25-years-old when he left Ayodhya for exile.

>

> Valmiki Ramayan refers to the solar eclipse at the time of war with Khardushan

in later half of 13th year of Shri Rams' exile. It is also mentioned it was

amavasya day and Mars was

> in the middle ... When this data was entered, the software indicated that

there was a solar eclipse on October 7, 5077 BC,

> (amavasya day) which could be seen from Panchvati.

>

> The planetary configuration was also the same - Mars was in the middle, on one

side were Venus and Mercury and on the other side were Sun and Saturn.

>

> On the basis of planetary configurations described in various other chapters,

the date on which Ravana was killed works out to be December 4, 5076 BC, and

Shri Ram completed 14 years of exile on January 2, 5075 BC, and that day was

also Navami of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra month.

>

> Thus Shri Ram had come back to Ayodhya at the age of 39 (5114-5075).

>

> A colleague, Dr Ram Avtar, researched on places visited by Shri Ram during his

exile, and sequentially moved to the places stated as visited by Shri Ram in the

Valmiki Ramayan; starting from Ayodhya he went right upto Rameshwaram. He found

195 places which still have the memorials connected to the events narrated in

the Ramayana relating to the life of Shri Ram and Sita. These include Tamsa Tal

(Mandah), Shringverpur (Singraur), Bhardwaj Ashram (situated near Allahabad),

Atri Ashram, Markandaya Ashram (Markundi),

> Chitrakoot, Pamakuti (on banks of Godavari), Panchvati, Sita Sarovar, Ram Kund

in Triambakeshwar near Nasik, Shabari Ashram, Kishkindha (village Annagorai),

Dhanushkoti and Rameshwar temple.

>

> In Valmiki Ramayan it is mentioned that Shri Ram's army constructed a bridge

over the sea between Rameshwaram and Lanka. After crossing this bridge, Shri

Rams' army had defeated Ravana.

>

> Recently, NASA put pictures on the Internet of a man-made bridge, the ruins of

which are lying submerged in Palk Strait between Rameshwaram and Sri Lanka.

>

> Recently the Sri Lankan Government had expressed the desire to develop Sita

Vatika as a tourist spot. Sri Lankans believe this was Ashok Vatika where Ravana

had kept Sita as a prisoner (in 5076 BC).

>

> Indian history has recorded that Shri Ram belonged to the Suryavansh and he

was the 64th ruler of this dynasty. The names and other relevant particulars of

previous 63 kings are listed in Ayodhya Ka Itihas written about 80 years ago by

Rai Bahadur Sita Ram.

>

> Professor Subhash Kak of Lousiana University, in his book, The Astronomical

Code of the Rig Veda, has also listed 63 ancestors of Shri Ram who ruled over

Ayodhya.

>

> Sri Rams' ancestors have been traced out as: Shri Ram, King Dashratha, King

Aja, King Raghu, King Dilip and so on. From Kashmir to Kanyakumari and from

Bengal to Gujarat, everywhere people believe in the reality of Shri Rams'

existence, particularly in the tribal areas of Himaachal, Rajasthan, Madhya

Pradesh and the North-East.

>

> Most of the festivals celebrated in these areas revolve around the events in

the life of Shri Ram and Shri Krishna. The events and places related to the life

of Shri Ram and Sita are true

> cultural and social heritage of every Indian irrespective of caste and creed.

Therefore, it is common heritage.

>

> After all, Shri Ram belonged to the period when Prophet Mohammed or Jesus

Christ were not born and Muslim or Christian faiths were unknown to the world.

>

> The words Hindu (resident of Hindustan) and Indian (resident of India) were

synonymous. India was also known as Bharat (land of knowledge) and Aryavarta

(where Aryans live) and Hindustan (land of " Hindus " - derived from word Indus).

>

> During Ram Rajya (rule), the evils of caste system based on birth were

non-existent.

>

> In fact, Maharishi Valmiki is stated to be of shudra class

> (scheduled caste), still Sita lived with him as his adopted daughter after she

was banished from Ayodhya. Luv and Kush grew in his ashram as his disciples..

>

> We need to be proud of the fact that Valmiki was perhaps

> the first great astronomer and that his study of planetary configurations has

stood the test of times.

>

> Even the latest computer softwares have corroborated his astronomical

calculations, which proves that he did not

> commit any error. Shabari is stated to be belonging to the Bheel tribe..

>

> Shri Ram's army, which succeeded in defeating Ravana, was formed by various

tribals from Central and South India.

>

> The facts, events and all other details relating to the life of Shri Ram are

the common heritage of all the Indians including scheduled castes, scheduled

tribes, Muslims, Christians, etc.

>

> Prophet Mohammad was born 1,400 years ago. Jesus Christ was born 2,000 years

back. Gautam Buddha was born 2,600 years back, whereas Ram was born 7,000 years

ago.

>

> Hence, discovering the details relating to Shri Rams' life would be lot more

difficult as destruction caused by floods, earthquakes and invasions etc., would

be far greater. But, should that stop our quest for learning more about our

cultural heritage?

>

> As Indians, let us all take pride in the fact that the Indian civilization is

the most ancient civilisation today. It is certainly more than 10,000 years old.

Therefore, let us reject the story of Aryan invasion in India in 1,500 BC as

motivated implantation.

>

> In fact Max Mueller, who was the creator of this theory, had himself rejected

it.

>

> Let us admit that during the British Rule, we were educated in the schools

based on Macaulay school of thinking which believed that everything Indian was

inferior and that entire " Indian literature was not worth even one book rack in

England. "

>

> If there were similarities in certain features of Indian people and people

from Central Europe, then automatic inference drawn was that the Aryans coming

from Europe invaded India and settled here. No one dared of thinking in any

other way.

>

> Therefore, there is urgency for the historians and all other intellectuals to

stop reducing Indian history to myth. There is need to gather, dig out, search,

unearth and analyze all the evidences, which would throw more light on the

ancient Indian civilization and culture.

>

>

>

>

>

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>

> Rashmi Patel

>

>

>

>

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Dear friends,Mr. Chakraborty is right in asking whether the Moon could really be in Gemini. It is simply impossible if we read the verses properly. I do not know whether Rashmiji has checked it or just posted the most unauthentic dating of Lord Rama, without even the preliminary cheking of the mutual compatibilty of the data. Moreover Pushkar Bhatnagar had not considered the precessional data, which is so very essential in ascertaining dates several millennia away.The angular distance between the Sun and the Moon has to just cross 8 X 12 = 96 degrees for the 8 intermediate tithis before reaching the Navami tithi. We have to keep in mind that the verse of the Balakanda may mean that out of the five grahas one or more were in own house and the rest were exalted. The Adhyatma Ramayana verse may also mean that the Sun was almost

reaching the Aries and not necessarily reached the Aries. Under such circumstances the the precessional data is of immense value in narrowing down the search for the date of Lord Rama. Dr. Vartak's date is fairly correct if not exactly as it is guided by the precessional data. Pushkar Bhatnagar's date is very much off the mark but he has already sold thousands of the book through Rupa, a reputed publishing house and he hopes to sell more. If he withdraws that book now he stands to loose the future returns from the book. It seems to me that most people have accepted his date..Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Wed, 10/7/09, jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote:jyotish <astrologer_mrutyunjay Re: Fw: DISCOVER THE ACTUAL

DATES OF THE LIFETIME OF LORD RAM Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 12:20 AM

 

 

Dear friend,

 

You are right.

 

The Ayanamsa then would be around 285 degree 55 minute.

 

You can use this birth detail in J Hora and see for yourself.

 

Here we should not get confused by the English Calendar- it

 

is not a astronomical calander

 

unlike the Indian Calandar

 

where solar Year starts from

 

the day Sun enters zero degree of Aries.

 

So do not think that Lord Shri Ram born on 10th January at that

 

time

 

was born in bone-shivering dead cold winter season

 

and

 

how Sun can be in Aries in that time ?

 

There is a little bit of variation of position of planets...may be

 

on account of Ayanamsa errors.

 

Though we may not confirm this birth time of Lord ShreeRam as correct. But we may explore

 

its possibility from academic point of view only.

 

Regards,

 

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Rashmi-ji & other learned friends,

>

> Please excuse my ignorance. I have only two questions

>

> 1) If I am not mistaken, now-a-days Sun is in Aries during

> April-May (month of Vaishakh). What may be the reason that

> Sun was in Aries in Chaitra (March-April) in ancient days ?

> 2) During Navami tithi, the angular distance between Sun & Moon

> should be 9x12 degree = 108 degree. So whether Moon can be

> in Mithuna ?

>

> regards

>

> Chakraborty

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rashmi patel [rashmihpate l]

> Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:38 AM

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Cc:

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Fw: DISCOVER THE ACTUAL DATES OF THE LIFETIME OF LORD RAM

>

>

>

>

> ----- Forwarded Message ----

> rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...>

> rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...>

> Cc: sohamsa@ .com

> Tuesday, October 6, 2009 5:42:14 PM

> DISCOVER THE ACTUAL DATES OF THE LIFETIME OF LORD RAM

>

> Dating the Era of Lord Ram:

> Discover the Actual Dates of the Lifetime of Lord Ram

>

> Excerpts...( The following document is the 'MOST' authentic scientific work that does

> not need further scientific verification. )

>

> The story of Shri Rams' life was first narrated by Maharishi Valmiki in the Ramayana, which was written after Shri Ram was crowned as the king of Ayodhya.

>

> Maharishi Valmiki was a great astronomer as he has made sequential astronomical references on important dates related to the life of Shri Ram indicating the location of planets,

> vis-a-vis, zodiac constellations and the other stars (nakshatras) . Needless to add that similar position of planets and nakshatras is not repeated in thousands of years.

>

> By entering the precise details of the planetary configuration of the important events in the life of Shri Ram as given in the Valmiki Ramayan in the software named "Planetarium" corresponding exact dates of these events according to the English calendar can be known.

>

> Mr Pushkar Bhatnagar of the Indian Revenue Service had acquired this software from the US. It is used to predict the solar/lunar eclipses and distance and location of other planets from earth. He entered the relevant details about the planetary

> positions narrated by Maharishi Valmiki and obtained very interesting and convincing results, which almost determine the important dates starting from the birth of Shri Ram to the date of his coming back to Ayodhya after 14 years of exile.

>

> Maharishi Valmiki has recorded in Bal Kaand sarga 19 and shloka eight and nine (1/18/8,9) that Shri Ram was born on ninth tithi of Chaitra month when the position of different planets vis-a-vis zodiac constellations and nakshatras

> (visible stars) were:

> a) Sun in Aries; b) Saturn in Libra; c) Jupiter in Cancer;

> d) Venus in Pisces; e) Mars in Capricorn; f) Lunar month of Chaitra; g) Ninth day after no moon; h) Lagna as Cancer (cancer was rising in the east); i) Moon on the Punarvasu (Gemini constellation & Pllux star); j) Day time (around noon).

>

> This data was fed into the software. The results indicated that this was exactly the location of planets/stars in the noon of January 10, 5114 BC. Thus Shri Ram was born on January 10, 5114 BC (7123 years back).

>

> As per the Indian calendar it was the ninth day of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra month and the time was around 12 to 1 noon time. This is exactly the time and date when Ram Navmi is celebrated all over India.

>

> Shri Ram was born in Ayodhya.

>

> This fact can be ascertained from several books written by Indian and foreign authors before and after the birth of Christ - Valmiki Ramayan, Tulsi Ramayan, Kalidasas' Raghuvansam,

> Baudh and Jain literature, etc.

>

> These books have narrated in great detail the location, rich architecture and beauty of Ayodhya which had many palaces and temples built all over the kingdom. Ayodhya was located on the banks of the Saryu river with Ganga and Panchal Pradesh on one side and Mithila on the other side.

>

> Normally 7,000 years is a very long period during which earthquakes, storms, floods and foreign invasions change the

> course of rivers, destroy the towns/buildings and alter the territories.

>

> Therefore, the task of unearthing the facts is monumental. The present Ayodhya has shrunk in size and the rivers have changed their course about 40 km north/south. Shri Ram went out of Ayodhya in his childhood (13th year as per Valmiki Ramayan) with Rishi Vishwamitra who lived in Tapovan (Sidhhashram) .

>

> From there he went to Mithila, King Janakas' kingdom. Here he married Sita after breaking Shiv Dhanusha (bow).

>

> Researchers have gone along the route adopted by Shri Ram as narrated in the Valmiki Ramayan and found 23 places which have memorials that commemorate the events related to the life of Shri Ram. These include Shringi Ashram, Ramghat, Tadka Van, Sidhhashram, Gautamashram, Janakpur (now in Nepal), Sita Kund, etc.

>

> Memorials are built for great men and not for fictitious characters.

>

> Date of exile of Shri Ram: It is mentioned in Valmiki Ramayans' Ayodhya Kand (2/4/18) that Dashratha wanted to make Shri Ram the king because Sun, Mars and Rahu had surrounded his nakshatra and normally under such planetary configuration the king dies or becomes a victim of conspiracies.

>

> Dashratha's zodiac sign was Pisces and his nakshatra was Rewati. This planetary configuration was prevailing on the January 5, 5089 BC, and it was on this day that Shri Ram left

> Ayodhya for 14 years of exile. Thus, he was 25 years old at that time (5114-5089). There are several shlokas in Valmiki Ramayan which indicate that Shri Ram was 25-years-old when he left Ayodhya for exile.

>

> Valmiki Ramayan refers to the solar eclipse at the time of war with Khardushan in later half of 13th year of Shri Rams' exile. It is also mentioned it was amavasya day and Mars was

> in the middle ... When this data was entered, the software indicated that there was a solar eclipse on October 7, 5077 BC,

> (amavasya day) which could be seen from Panchvati.

>

> The planetary configuration was also the same - Mars was in the middle, on one side were Venus and Mercury and on the other side were Sun and Saturn.

>

> On the basis of planetary configurations described in various other chapters, the date on which Ravana was killed works out to be December 4, 5076 BC, and Shri Ram completed 14 years of exile on January 2, 5075 BC, and that day was also Navami of Shukla Paksha in Chaitra month.

>

> Thus Shri Ram had come back to Ayodhya at the age of 39 (5114-5075).

>

> A colleague, Dr Ram Avtar, researched on places visited by Shri Ram during his exile, and sequentially moved to the places stated as visited by Shri Ram in the Valmiki Ramayan; starting from Ayodhya he went right upto Rameshwaram. He found 195 places which still have the memorials connected to the events narrated in the Ramayana relating to the life of Shri Ram and Sita. These include Tamsa Tal (Mandah), Shringverpur (Singraur), Bhardwaj Ashram (situated near Allahabad), Atri Ashram, Markandaya Ashram (Markundi),

> Chitrakoot, Pamakuti (on banks of Godavari), Panchvati, Sita Sarovar, Ram Kund in Triambakeshwar near Nasik, Shabari Ashram, Kishkindha (village Annagorai), Dhanushkoti and Rameshwar temple.

>

> In Valmiki Ramayan it is mentioned that Shri Ram's army constructed a bridge over the sea between Rameshwaram and Lanka. After crossing this bridge, Shri Rams' army had defeated Ravana.

>

> Recently, NASA put pictures on the Internet of a man-made bridge, the ruins of which are lying submerged in Palk Strait between Rameshwaram and Sri Lanka.

>

> Recently the Sri Lankan Government had expressed the desire to develop Sita Vatika as a tourist spot. Sri Lankans believe this was Ashok Vatika where Ravana had kept Sita as a prisoner (in 5076 BC).

>

> Indian history has recorded that Shri Ram belonged to the Suryavansh and he was the 64th ruler of this dynasty. The names and other relevant particulars of previous 63 kings are listed in Ayodhya Ka Itihas written about 80 years ago by Rai Bahadur Sita Ram.

>

> Professor Subhash Kak of Lousiana University, in his book, The Astronomical Code of the Rig Veda, has also listed 63 ancestors of Shri Ram who ruled over Ayodhya.

>

> Sri Rams' ancestors have been traced out as: Shri Ram, King Dashratha, King Aja, King Raghu, King Dilip and so on. From Kashmir to Kanyakumari and from Bengal to Gujarat, everywhere people believe in the reality of Shri Rams' existence, particularly in the tribal areas of Himaachal, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh and the North-East.

>

> Most of the festivals celebrated in these areas revolve around the events in the life of Shri Ram and Shri Krishna. The events and places related to the life of Shri Ram and Sita are true

> cultural and social heritage of every Indian irrespective of caste and creed. Therefore, it is common heritage.

>

> After all, Shri Ram belonged to the period when Prophet Mohammed or Jesus Christ were not born and Muslim or Christian faiths were unknown to the world.

>

> The words Hindu (resident of Hindustan) and Indian (resident of India) were synonymous. India was also known as Bharat (land of knowledge) and Aryavarta (where Aryans live) and Hindustan (land of "Hindus" - derived from word Indus).

>

> During Ram Rajya (rule), the evils of caste system based on birth were non-existent.

>

> In fact, Maharishi Valmiki is stated to be of shudra class

> (scheduled caste), still Sita lived with him as his adopted daughter after she was banished from Ayodhya. Luv and Kush grew in his ashram as his disciples..

>

> We need to be proud of the fact that Valmiki was perhaps

> the first great astronomer and that his study of planetary configurations has stood the test of times.

>

> Even the latest computer softwares have corroborated his astronomical calculations, which proves that he did not

> commit any error. Shabari is stated to be belonging to the Bheel tribe..

>

> Shri Ram's army, which succeeded in defeating Ravana, was formed by various tribals from Central and South India.

>

> The facts, events and all other details relating to the life of Shri Ram are the common heritage of all the Indians including scheduled castes, scheduled tribes, Muslims, Christians, etc.

>

> Prophet Mohammad was born 1,400 years ago. Jesus Christ was born 2,000 years back. Gautam Buddha was born 2,600 years back, whereas Ram was born 7,000 years ago.

>

> Hence, discovering the details relating to Shri Rams' life would be lot more difficult as destruction caused by floods, earthquakes and invasions etc., would be far greater. But, should that stop our quest for learning more about our cultural heritage?

>

> As Indians, let us all take pride in the fact that the Indian civilization is the most ancient civilisation today. It is certainly more than 10,000 years old. Therefore, let us reject the story of Aryan invasion in India in 1,500 BC as motivated implantation.

>

> In fact Max Mueller, who was the creator of this theory, had himself rejected it.

>

> Let us admit that during the British Rule, we were educated in the schools based on Macaulay school of thinking which believed that everything Indian was inferior and that entire "Indian literature was not worth even one book rack in England."

>

> If there were similarities in certain features of Indian people and people from Central Europe, then automatic inference drawn was that the Aryans coming from Europe invaded India and settled here. No one dared of thinking in any other way.

>

> Therefore, there is urgency for the historians and all other intellectuals to stop reducing Indian history to myth. There is need to gather, dig out, search, unearth and analyze all the evidences, which would throw more light on the ancient Indian civilization and culture.

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Sir,In the era of Lord Rama ,they were not usingmathematical tithis as we do now.After Full moon day , the next day is prtipada and so on.In this method of reckoning it is quite possible that on ninth day(from new moon) SUN IS IN ARIES AND moon in CANCER,DEPENDING ON THE speed OF moon.The formula of 12 multiply by 9= 96 should not be made applicable for those days.Regards,G. K. Goel