Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Dear Friends,Why are we trying to link Varga charts with 'SJC' or 'BVB'They are neither inventor or propagator of VARGA.Sage Parasara , Jamini , Styacharya and such renowned classicalslike Brihat Jatak ,Saravali ,Sarvarthchintamani ,Jatakparijat ,Phaldeepikaare of firm opinion that predictions are not possible without Varga charts.In some Varga , the nodes fall togeather. In such VARGA ANYTWO PLANETS WHICH ARE 180 DEG APART had to be togeather. Try to understand why these vargas are constructed so that opposote point comes togeather , then you will understand the wisdom of sagesin constructing these varga in this manner.Over use is always bad , sages expect from us proper and judicious use of varga chart.Varga charts are unique gift to astrology by our ancient sages.Regards,G. K. Goel From: utkal.panigrahiDate: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:42:32 +0000 Re: Suitability of Mantra Sorry, that's a wrong myth in making mostly at SJC or BVB. D charts hve no link to competency of an astrologer, true prediction should be the parameter of competency. Already said in high D charts you may get Rahu Ketu togather, D charts are virtual placements of planets, one should be able to connect them back to main lagna chart. Time has come for techologically equipped astrologers to underline degree wise attributes of planets in a sign. Utkal. , "Vandna" <vandana_mishra_91 wrote: > > That is where the competency of astrologer can be tested! > Vandana mishra > > , "utkal.panigrahi" <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote: > > > > Over use of D charts is killing vedic astrology, with a minute's diff in birth time D charts tend to change. > > > > utkal. > From the happening headlines to the juiciest gossip, get your daily update on MSN India Drag n' drop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Dear Goel ji,you are right.i second you in this regard.Love and regards,gopi. , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> Why are we trying to link Varga charts with 'SJC' or 'BVB'> They are neither inventor or propagator of VARGA.> Sage Parasara , Jamini , Styacharya and such renowned classicals> like Brihat Jatak ,Saravali ,Sarvarthchintamani ,Jatakparijat ,Phaldeepika> are of firm opinion that predictions are not possible without Varga charts.> In some Varga , the nodes fall togeather. In such VARGA ANYTWO PLANETS WHICH ARE 180 DEG APART had to be togeather. Try to understand why these vargas are constructed > so that opposote point comes togeather , then you will understand the wisdom of sages> in constructing these varga in this manner.> Over use is always bad , sages expect from us proper and judicious use of varga chart.> Varga charts are unique gift to astrology by our ancient sages.> Regards,> > > > G. K. Goel> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:42:32 +0000> Re: Suitability of Mantra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, that's a wrong myth in making mostly at SJC or BVB.> > > > D charts hve no link to competency of an astrologer, true prediction should be the parameter of competency. Already said in high D charts you may get Rahu Ketu togather, D charts are virtual placements of planets, one should be able to connect them back to main lagna chart.> > > > Time has come for techologically equipped astrologers to underline degree wise attributes of planets in a sign. > > > > Utkal.> > , "Vandna" vandana_mishra_91@ wrote:> > >> > > That is where the competency of astrologer can be tested!> > > Vandana mishra> > > > > > , "utkal.panigrahi" <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Over use of D charts is killing vedic astrology, with a minute's diff in birth time D charts tend to change.> > > >> > > > utkal.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________> Feel the heat of news, the thrill of sports, the dazzle of Bollywood and much more on MSN India> http://in.msn.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 I request the members not to comment otherwise on BVB and neither put other institutions on the same platform or at par with BVB. BVB has always had great Masters who were well known and experts in their areas as Professors. Be it Delhi BVB or Bombay BVB those who stand on their toes on these platforms and teach the students in their class rooms are not ordinary masters. I have spent just one year in BVB Bombay and yet am doing better than most other astrologers as you all are aware of. That is the teaching which comes from BVB. Because we could not climb on a tree and pluck the fruits on that tree, we do not have the right to talk derogatorily of the tree. best wishes, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Agree ,BVB is not the inventor of vargas,but using it judiciously is our USP and we are expertise in it.. Regards. VANDANA MISHRA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Dear Goel ji, Wrong! //> Why are we trying to link Varga charts with 'SJC' or 'BVB'> They are neither inventor or propagator of VARGA.// Of course they are NOT the inventors of D-Charts, but certainly they are propogators of the same! //> Sage Parasara , Jamini , Styacharya and such renowned classicals> like Brihat Jatak ,Saravali ,Sarvarthchintamani ,Jatakparijat ,Phaldeepika> are of firm opinion that predictions are not possible without Varga charts.// Wrong! Not even a single quote present in any of them that speak about D-Charts! Of course they speak about divisions (amsas), the subdivision of sign. But NONE OF THEM speak about considering all signs and all planets and eructing a D-chart! //> Over use is always bad , sages expect from us proper and judicious use of varga chart.> Varga charts are unique gift to astrology by our ancient sages.// Sages were unaware of this absurd concept called Varga charts (i.e. Divisional charts) , then how are they supposed to advice us something on this?! Note: Same one told me that D-Charts stand for Devil's cheat (misinterpretation of ancient classic) - I think that is true Love and regards,Sreenadh , gopal krishna goel <g.k.goel wrote:>> > Dear Friends,> Why are we trying to link Varga charts with 'SJC' or 'BVB'> They are neither inventor or propagator of VARGA.> Sage Parasara , Jamini , Styacharya and such renowned classicals> like Brihat Jatak ,Saravali ,Sarvarthchintamani ,Jatakparijat ,Phaldeepika> are of firm opinion that predictions are not possible without Varga charts.> In some Varga , the nodes fall togeather. In such VARGA ANYTWO PLANETS WHICH ARE 180 DEG APART had to be togeather. Try to understand why these vargas are constructed > so that opposote point comes togeather , then you will understand the wisdom of sages> in constructing these varga in this manner.> Over use is always bad , sages expect from us proper and judicious use of varga chart.> Varga charts are unique gift to astrology by our ancient sages.> Regards,> > > > G. K. Goel> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:42:32 +0000> Re: Suitability of Mantra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, that's a wrong myth in making mostly at SJC or BVB.> > > > D charts hve no link to competency of an astrologer, true prediction should be the parameter of competency. Already said in high D charts you may get Rahu Ketu togather, D charts are virtual placements of planets, one should be able to connect them back to main lagna chart.> > > > Time has come for techologically equipped astrologers to underline degree wise attributes of planets in a sign. > > > > Utkal.> > , "Vandna" vandana_mishra_91@ wrote:> > >> > > That is where the competency of astrologer can be tested!> > > Vandana mishra> > > > > > , "utkal.panigrahi" <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Over use of D charts is killing vedic astrology, with a minute's diff in birth time D charts tend to change.> > > >> > > > utkal.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________> Feel the heat of news, the thrill of sports, the dazzle of Bollywood and much more on MSN India> http://in.msn.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Shri Ganeshaya Namah Dear Sreenath Ji, //Wrong! Not even a single quote present in any of them that speak about D-Charts! Of course they speak about divisions (amsas), the subdivision of sign. But NONE OF THEM speak about considering all signs and all planets and eructing a D-chart! // Why not Sreenath Ji? Though I haven't been following the thread, but your statement above is surprising. The available Jaimini Sutras, the second pada of first adhyaya speaks of Karakamsa dealing with Navamsa chart. Of course, there are some contradicting opinions like using Karakamsa Lagna in Rasi chart itself. But, the ancient commentaries definitely speaks of D-Charts. For example Padanathamsa Dasa exposed in Jyotish Phalaratnamala deals the dasa in Navamsa chart. Yes, the ancients might not use as frequently as we the D-Charts, but stating they never speak of D-Charts may not be correct. Regards, Shanmukha , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Goel ji, > Wrong! > //> Why are we trying to link Varga charts with 'SJC' or 'BVB' > > They are neither inventor or propagator of VARGA.// > Of course they are NOT the inventors of D-Charts, but certainly they > are propogators of the same! > //> Sage Parasara , Jamini , Styacharya and such renowned classicals > > like Brihat Jatak ,Saravali ,Sarvarthchintamani ,Jatakparijat > ,Phaldeepika > > are of firm opinion that predictions are not possible without Varga > charts.// > Wrong! Not even a single quote present in any of them that speak > about D-Charts! Of course they speak about divisions (amsas), the > subdivision of sign. But NONE OF THEM speak about considering all signs > and all planets and eructing a D-chart! > //> Over use is always bad , sages expect from us proper and judicious > use of varga chart. > > Varga charts are unique gift to astrology by our ancient sages.// > Sages were unaware of this absurd concept called Varga charts (i.e. > Divisional charts) , then how are they supposed to advice us something > on this?! > Note: Same one told me that D-Charts stand for Devil's cheat > (misinterpretation of ancient classic) - I think that is true > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , gopal krishna goel > <g.k.goel@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > Why are we trying to link Varga charts with 'SJC' or 'BVB' > > They are neither inventor or propagator of VARGA. > > Sage Parasara , Jamini , Styacharya and such renowned classicals > > like Brihat Jatak ,Saravali ,Sarvarthchintamani ,Jatakparijat > ,Phaldeepika > > are of firm opinion that predictions are not possible without Varga > charts. > > In some Varga , the nodes fall togeather. In such VARGA ANYTWO PLANETS > WHICH ARE 180 DEG APART had to be togeather. Try to understand why > these vargas are constructed > > so that opposote point comes togeather , then you will understand the > wisdom of sages > > in constructing these varga in this manner. > > Over use is always bad , sages expect from us proper and judicious use > of varga chart. > > Varga charts are unique gift to astrology by our ancient sages. > > Regards, > > > > > > > > G. K. Goel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ > > Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:42:32 +0000 > > Re: Suitability of Mantra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, that's a wrong myth in making mostly at SJC > or BVB. > > > > > > > > D charts hve no link to competency of an astrologer, true prediction > should be the parameter of competency. Already said in high D charts you > may get Rahu Ketu togather, D charts are virtual placements of planets, > one should be able to connect them back to main lagna chart. > > > > > > > > Time has come for techologically equipped astrologers to underline > degree wise attributes of planets in a sign. > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > , " Vandna " > vandana_mishra_91@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That is where the competency of astrologer can be tested! > > > > > Vandana mishra > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Over use of D charts is killing vedic astrology, with a minute's > diff in birth time D charts tend to change. > > > > > > > > > > > > utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > Feel the heat of news, the thrill of sports, the dazzle of Bollywood > and much more on MSN India > > http://in.msn.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 Dear Devi Singh ji,With A view to answer following query : "Just one question.....what are your thoughts related to Dharma Trikona when Ascendant Degree gets changed.......lets say Ascendant point occupy first pada of Bharni or second pad of Aswini??" I will first make a brief comment on house division,which is specifically applicable when a nativity is judged based on Varga charts: "Maharishi Parasara has precisely explained this concept to his disciple Maitraye in chapter 3, slokas 4, 5 and 6 of BPHS: “Those, celestial bodies are called the planets (Grahas) that move through the Nakshatras (or asterisms) along the Zodiac (Bhachakra). The Zodiac comprises of 27 asterisms from Aswin to Revati and also devided in 12 equal parts known as signs (Rashis) from Aries to Pisces. The Zodiac sign which contains the rising (ascending) point at the time of Birth is called Lagna (ascendant)”. Based on the ascendant and the planets joining and separating from each other, the native’s good and bad fortune is deducted”. Parasara has given the concept of Bhavas (houses) along with 12 signs in the above narration. This is called the compartmental system of houses. In this, system the whole sign in which the degree of ascendant falls is considered the first house and subsequent sign as 2nd house and so on. The longitude of the ascending point becomes the most sensitive points of the ascendant i.e.1st house, and the sensitive points of other house will be 30° apart. The sensitive point of 10th house will fall in 10th sign from ascending sign and will have the same longitude as that of the ascending point in Lagna. In this system M.C. is not considered as the Mid-point or cusp of 10th house. M.C. is however given prime-importance due to it and is widely used for many other important purposes The above mentioned Hindu (Vedic) Method, advocated by Sage Parasara, seems to be more rational and worthy of being followed in all astrological calculations particularly in the casting of a nativity. This method has universal applicability. In this system either the longitudinal duration or mid-point / cuspal degree of houses does not get distorted at higher latitudes. Parasara continued to narrate the description of the planets, signs, various Kinds of ascendants, up-Grahas and importance of Deeptamsa of 15° on either side of sensitive-point of ascendant and other houses etc. (Deeptamsa means an effective Zone of 15° on either side of the sensitive-point of ascendant ,or sensitive points of other houses). In shloka 7 of chapter 3 of BPHS ,Sage Parasara says:" The nature and use of Nakshatra be understood from vast literature (already available in Samihta Grantha) while I narrate about the use and effects of planets and signs" In the above back ground I will try to answer your question :Ist,5th and 9th houses are called Dharma trine and also Signs Aries, Leo and SagittariusNow whenever , ascending point or a planet is in any Nakshata pada.,will give certain effects which can only be ascertained from Samita Grantha. Generally ,this is not the subject matter of Hora shastra.Main Birth (sign ) and Navamsa charts are complementary to each other.In birth chartAscendant , 5th and 9th houses forms the Dharma Trikona.If we are considering Nakshatra pada , we will have to take the help of D-9 chart.Dharma padas of all the Nakshatras will fall in trine to each other and so will be the caseof other nakshatra padas.If ascending point is falling in say Aswani 2nd pada or Bharni1st pada , the difference of effects can more easily be seen in Navamsa chart.Navansa chart has a dual purpose as it also act as important varga chart.Navamsa also represent Dharma , married life , spouse, sex partners and as well as SKILLS (Which are acquired in this life by self efforts). ( The in- born natural skills are seenfrom D-7 chart).I hope I am able to answer your question.Regards, G. K. Goel From: devisingh.rajputDate: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:02:23 +0530Re: Re: Nodes Dear Gopal Krishna JI, A very nice piece of information i got from your post really very good one...... Just one question.....what are your thoughts related to Dharma Trikona when Ascendant Degree gets changed.......lets say Ascendant point occupy first pada of Bharni or second pad of Aswini?? ------------------ Regards, Devisingh gopal krishna goel wrote: Dear Vijay Goyal, You have made following observation: > > [Vijay] NOT AT ALL, D-9 Is NOT based on Nakshatra division. technically it looks same due to 'same value division'. I feel your comment is not fully appropriate. Basically Nakshatra Mandal is permanently located in the Sky.Signs are vizulised along the Ecliptic. In fact , Sidereal signs Commences from initial point of Aswani . Each Nakshatra has 4 pada and belong to Dharma , Artha , Kama and Moksha in this order. It is interesting to note that 1st ,5th and 9th Signs contain 3 dharma pada and two each of other pada. This is the reason , this is called Dharma Trikona. Similarly , other three trines are named. Further more , in sign chakra , 9 Nakshatra's are get divided and occupy two signs. Where as in Navamsa and Dreshkana divisions , Nakshatra pada do not get divided. In Shad Bala calculations, the auspiciousness of six Vargas is measured on the scale of 20 , and weightage is given at a ratio of D-1 (6) ,D-9 (5) and D-3 (4) i.e. 15 out of 20.The remaining six points are allocated to D-2,D-12 and D-30 charts. If a planet is in same pada of any Nakshatra , they fall in trine to each other in Navamsa chart. This provide great help in timing of the events. No doubt , Navamsa division has many different and independent uses also, but probably its prime importance lies on account of nakshatra padas. Regards, G.K.GOEL Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. 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Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Dear gopal krishna Ji, Thanks for your sharing...... However i do not believe 1-5-9 to be considered as dharma trikone for all chart,as it is correct as presentation for Kalpurush chart. I do believe that All below system/concept/method/techniques/tools are facilitated for study but fundamental is something else which triggers for Astrologer to come up with such tools. --Ascedence calculation --Bhav chalit/cusp --Sensitive points/deeptamsa However till my study i have got that just looking 'Degree of All Planets' may be enough for some sage. --this is essence for all --no rashi requires (i do not mean they are useless they are required for another system) --it has a very good background foundation of 'tara chakar' and related theory more convincing --this seems mother for all systems e.g.western,lalkitab,chinise etc --any many more ------------------ Regards, Devisingh gopal krishna goel wrote: Dear Devi Singh ji, With A view to answer following query : "Just one question.....what are your thoughts related to Dharma Trikona when Ascendant Degree gets changed.......lets say Ascendant point occupy first pada of Bharni or second pad of Aswini??" I will first make a brief comment on house division, which is specifically applicable when a nativity is judged based on Varga charts: "Maharishi Parasara has precisely explained this concept to his disciple Maitraye in chapter 3, slokas 4, 5 and 6 of BPHS: “Those, celestial bodies are called the planets (Grahas) that move through the Nakshatras (or asterisms) along the Zodiac (Bhachakra). The Zodiac comprises of 27 asterisms from Aswin to Revati and also devided in 12 equal parts known as signs (Rashis) from Aries to Pisces. The Zodiac sign which contains the rising (ascending) point at the time of Birth is called Lagna (ascendant)”. Based on the ascendant and the planets joining and separating from each other, the native’s good and bad fortune is deducted”. Parasara has given the concept of Bhavas (houses) along with 12 signs in the above narration. This is called the compartmental system of houses. In this, system the whole sign in which the degree of ascendant falls is considered the first house and subsequent sign as 2nd house and so on. The longitude of the ascending point becomes the most sensitive points of the ascendant i.e.1st house, and the sensitive points of other house will be 30° apart. The sensitive point of 10th house will fall in 10th sign from ascending sign and will have the same longitude as that of the ascending point in Lagna. In this system M.C. is not considered as the Mid-point or cusp of 10th house. M.C. is however given prime-importance due to it and is widely used for many other important purposes The above mentioned Hindu (Vedic) Method, advocated by Sage Parasara, seems to be more rational and worthy of being followed in all astrological calculations particularly in the casting of a nativity. This method has universal applicability. In this system either the longitudinal duration or mid-point / cuspal degree of houses does not get distorted at higher latitudes. Parasara continued to narrate the description of the planets, signs, various Kinds of ascendants, up-Grahas and importance of Deeptamsa of 15° on either side of sensitive-point of ascendant and other houses etc. (Deeptamsa means an effective Zone of 15° on either side of the sensitive-point of ascendant ,or sensitive points of other houses). In shloka 7 of chapter 3 of BPHS ,Sage Parasara says: " The nature and use of Nakshatra be understood from vast literature (already available in Samihta Grantha) while I narrate about the use and effects of planets and signs" In the above back ground I will try to answer your question : Ist,5th and 9th houses are called Dharma trine and also Signs Aries, Leo and Sagittarius Now whenever , ascending point or a planet is in any Nakshata pada.,will give certain effects which can only be ascertained from Samita Grantha. Generally ,this is not the subject matter of Hora shastra. Main Birth (sign ) and Navamsa charts are complementary to each other.In birth chart Ascendant , 5th and 9th houses forms the Dharma Trikona. If we are considering Nakshatra pada , we will have to take the help of D-9 chart. Dharma padas of all the Nakshatras will fall in trine to each other and so will be the case of other nakshatra padas.If ascending point is falling in say Aswani 2nd pada or Bharni 1st pada , the difference of effects can more easily be seen in Navamsa chart. Navansa chart has a dual purpose as it also act as important varga chart. Navamsa also represent Dharma , married life , spouse, sex partners and as well as SKILLS (Which are acquired in this life by self efforts). ( The in- born natural skills are seen from D-7 chart). I hope I am able to answer your question. Regards, G. K. Goel devisingh.rajput Tue, 5 Jan 2010 20:02:23 +0530 Re: Re: Nodes Dear Gopal Krishna JI, A very nice piece of information i got from your post really very good one...... Just one question.....what are your thoughts related to Dharma Trikona when Ascendant Degree gets changed.......lets say Ascendant point occupy first pada of Bharni or second pad of Aswini?? ------------------ Regards, Devisingh gopal krishna goel wrote: Dear Vijay Goyal, You have made following observation: > > [Vijay] NOT AT ALL, D-9 Is NOT based on Nakshatra division. technically it looks same due to 'same value division'. I feel your comment is not fully appropriate. Basically Nakshatra Mandal is permanently located in the Sky.Signs are vizulised along the Ecliptic. In fact , Sidereal signs Commences from initial point of Aswani . Each Nakshatra has 4 pada and belong to Dharma , Artha , Kama and Moksha in this order. It is interesting to note that 1st ,5th and 9th Signs contain 3 dharma pada and two each of other pada. This is the reason , this is called Dharma Trikona. Similarly , other three trines are named. Further more , in sign chakra , 9 Nakshatra's are get divided and occupy two signs. Where as in Navamsa and Dreshkana divisions , Nakshatra pada do not get divided. In Shad Bala calculations, the auspiciousness of six Vargas is measured on the scale of 20 , and weightage is given at a ratio of D-1 (6) ,D-9 (5) and D-3 (4) i.e. 15 out of 20.The remaining six points are allocated to D-2,D-12 and D-30 charts. If a planet is in same pada of any Nakshatra , they fall in trine to each other in Navamsa chart. This provide great help in timing of the events. No doubt , Navamsa division has many different and independent uses also, but probably its prime importance lies on account of nakshatra padas. Regards, G.K.GOEL Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. 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