Divisional Charts - the prerequisites as advised to us ........

October 8, 2009

Dear friends,

Divisional Charts are very good for postmartem these days as we see in the books of Shri KN Rao and Shri BV Raman and also Shri Santhanam, but rarely or maybe never, have we seen anybody giving future predictions through these charts. This is a bane and not a boon. But nevertheless we cannot discount the importance of these. A question looms like a black cloud with no silver lining over us astrologers. Are we equipped to comment on these ? I do not think so. Most of us cannot give good predictions even through the Natal Charts and navamsha and also with the Ashtakvarga. So how can we go further to show that we have knowledge on the Divisional charts ? We must stay out of this territory of commenting, rather talk and discuss on how to use these for future predictions. Those who give us lectures on first perfecgting the Birth time, I wish to say, that this is understood as a necessary pre-requisite before venturing into Divisional charts, but how many of these lecturers have perfected any of the various methods of the Birth time rectifications, and have they been able to give us even one sure shot method through which we can rectify a natives Birth time ???

So lets first finish with the pre-requisite part before discussing the efficacy or the deficiency in study of the Divisional charts, and get down to learning the Traditional methods of Birth rectifications.

Now who is going to come up with the Birth rectification methods with illustrations ?

I have already given some examples in these same Forum, on how I do the Birth rectification through KP method, so one cannot ask me to show a method. I am looking for the advisors to do this fromt he Traditional methods.

regards,

Bhaskar.

October 9, 2009

The charts given in the books of Shri K.N. Rao are all cases where he gave advance predictions, mostly by using the divisional charts, and not post-mortem cases. Dr. B.V. Raman always gave navamsha chart in his books but has never discussed them because he knew the moment he does it, it would fail, because his aynamsha was wrong. Even his own chart fails his own ayanamsha. About Santhanam, the less said the better.

On a chart put forward by Vandana Mishra, I showed you all how Birth Time Rectification is attempted. But then you should be honest enough to try it and accept that any horoscope could be wrong.

regards,

Mouji--- On Thu, 10/8/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Divisional Charts - the prerequisites as advised to us ........ Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 10:56 PM

Dear friends,

Divisional Charts are very good for postmartem these days as we see in the books of Shri KN Rao and Shri BV Raman and also Shri Santhanam, but rarely or maybe never, have we seen anybody giving future predictions through these charts. This is a bane and not a boon. But nevertheless we cannot discount the importance of these. A question looms like a black cloud with no silver lining over us astrologers. Are we equipped to comment on these ? I do not think so. Most of us cannot give good predictions even through the Natal Charts and navamsha and also with the Ashtakvarga. So how can we go further to show that we have knowledge on the Divisional charts ? We must stay out of this territory of commenting, rather talk and discuss on how to use these for future predictions. Those who give us lectures on first perfecgting the Birth time, I wish to say, that this is understood as a necessary pre-requisite before venturing into Divisional

charts, but how many of these lecturers have perfected any of the various methods of the Birth time rectifications, and have they been able to give us even one sure shot method through which we can rectify a natives Birth time ???

So lets first finish with the pre-requisite part before discussing the efficacy or the deficiency in study of the Divisional charts, and get down to learning the Traditional methods of Birth rectifications.

Now who is going to come up with the Birth rectification methods with illustrations ?

I have already given some examples in these same Forum, on how I do the Birth rectification through KP method, so one cannot ask me to show a method. I am looking for the advisors to do this fromt he Traditional methods.

regards,

Bhaskar.

October 9, 2009

Mouji Sahab,

No Comments.

regards/Bhaskar.

, Manoj Kumar

<mouji99 wrote:

>

> The charts given in the books of Shri K.N. Rao are all cases where he

gave advance predictions, mostly by using the divisional charts, and not

post-mortem cases. Dr. B.V. Raman always gave navamsha chart in his

books but has never discussed them because he knew the moment he does

it, it would fail, because his aynamsha was wrong. Even his own chart

fails his own ayanamsha. About Santhanam, the less said the better.

>

> On a chart put forward by Vandana Mishra, I showed you all how Birth

Time Rectification is attempted. But then you should be honest enough to

try it and accept that any horoscope could be wrong.

>

> regards,

>

> Mouji

>

> --- On Thu, 10/8/09, Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

> Divisional Charts - the

prerequisites as advised to us ........

>

> Thursday, October 8, 2009, 10:56 PM

>

Dear friends,

>

> Divisional Charts are very good for postmartem these days as we see in

the books of Shri KN Rao and Shri BV Raman and also Shri Santhanam, but

rarely or maybe never, have we seen anybody giving future predictions

through these charts. This is a bane and not a boon. But nevertheless we

cannot discount the importance of these. A question looms like a black

cloud with no silver lining over us astrologers. Are we equipped to

comment on these ? I do not think so. Most of us cannot give good

predictions even through the Natal Charts and navamsha and also with the

Ashtakvarga. So how can we go further to show that we have knowledge on

the Divisional charts ? We must stay out of this territory of

commenting, rather talk and discuss on how to use these for future

predictions. Those who give us lectures on first perfecgting the Birth

time, I wish to say, that this is understood as a necessary

pre-requisite before venturing into Divisional charts, but how many of

> these lecturers have perfected any of the various methods of the Birth

time rectifications, and have they been able to give us even one sure

shot method through which we can rectify a natives Birth time ???

>

> So lets first finish with the pre-requisite part before discussing the

efficacy or the deficiency in study of the Divisional charts, and get

down to learning the Traditional methods of Birth rectifications.

>

> Now who is going to come up with the Birth rectification methods with

illustrations ?

>

> I have already given some examples in these same Forum, on how I do

the Birth rectification through KP method, so one cannot ask me to show

a method. I am looking for the advisors to do this fromt he Traditional

methods.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

October 9, 2009

Deal All,

Shri K N Rao is using divisional charts and he had displayed it uses in our

study classes once. I never give my reading without using divisional charts from

a long time. Normally based on past events i had many times done Lagna Suddi,

which proved right at later stage.

I had many failures also.

Sri Sanjay Rath had given exhaustive material on divisional chart and the

process for BTR (birth time rectification). His ardent student Vistiji

specifically used Navamsha and Dwadamsha chart for erecting a horoscope from

Prashna chart who had lost their complete birth details in his audios. Sri

Sanjay Rath has shown the proper methology as per Nastha Jatakam and are from

authentic classical sources.

Four persons, Sri Sanjay Rath, Sri K n Rao, Sri (late) Iyer, Sri (late) K.

Subbha Rao has explained many secrets of divisional charts in their own way. Sri

(late)C S Patel is institution in himself for giving the uses of Navamsha Chart

from nadis.

In this forum Sreenadhji is in the opinion that ancient astrology used varge

concept limited to planatery amsa division but not as an independent amsa chart.

I also agree with him because it can be rightly used in this way.

We can see that KP astrologer are using this basic methology in their system.

They just find the amsa of planet named as sub lord by mapping the division

based on Vimsottari dasa lords (Time cycle Division).

We can erect a divisional chart in name of KP chart of sublords just for an

example.

In short all system are using divisional concept of signs for more accuracy in

their own way by giving different nomenclature.

Thanks,

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

, Manoj Kumar <mouji99

wrote:

>

> The charts given in the books of Shri K.N. Rao are all cases where he gave

advance predictions, mostly by using the divisional charts, and not post-mortem

cases. Dr. B.V. Raman always gave navamsha chart in his books but has never

discussed them because he knew the moment he does it, it would fail, because his

aynamsha was wrong. Even his own chart fails his own ayanamsha. About Santhanam,

the less said the better.

>

> On a chart put forward by Vandana Mishra, I showed you all how Birth Time

Rectification is attempted. But then you should be honest enough to try it and

accept that any horoscope could be wrong.

>

> regards,

>

> Mouji

>

> --- On Thu, 10/8/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

> Divisional Charts - the prerequisites as

advised to us ........

>

> Thursday, October 8, 2009, 10:56 PM

>

> Dear friends,

>

> Divisional Charts are very good for postmartem these days as we see in the

books of Shri KN Rao and Shri BV Raman and also Shri Santhanam, but rarely or

maybe never, have we seen anybody giving future predictions through these

charts. This is a bane and not a boon. But nevertheless we cannot discount the

importance of these. A question looms like a black cloud with no silver lining

over us astrologers. Are we equipped to comment on these ? I do not think so.

Most of us cannot give good predictions even through the Natal Charts and

navamsha and also with the Ashtakvarga. So how can we go further to show that we

have knowledge on the Divisional charts ? We must stay out of this territory of

commenting, rather talk and discuss on how to use these for future predictions.

Those who give us lectures on first perfecgting the Birth time, I wish to say,

that this is understood as a necessary pre-requisite before venturing into

Divisional charts, but how many of

> these lecturers have perfected any of the various methods of the Birth time

rectifications, and have they been able to give us even one sure shot method

through which we can rectify a natives Birth time ???

>

> So lets first finish with the pre-requisite part before discussing the

efficacy or the deficiency in study of the Divisional charts, and get down to

learning the Traditional methods of Birth rectifications.

>

> Now who is going to come up with the Birth rectification methods with

illustrations ?

>

> I have already given some examples in these same Forum, on how I do the Birth

rectification through KP method, so one cannot ask me to show a method. I am

looking for the advisors to do this fromt he Traditional methods.

>

> regards,

> Bhaskar.

>

October 9, 2009

Dear Vijay Goel ji, //In this forum Sreenadhji is in the opinion that ancient astrology used varge concept limited to planatery amsa division but not as an independent amsa chart. I also agree with him because it can be rightly used in this way. // I am happy that at least one individual is here with me. But I know that the whole of Kerala and much of South India also follow this opinion itself - and that is my power. //Sri Sanjay Rath, Sri K n Rao, Sri (late) Iyer, Sri (late) K. Subbha Rao, Sri (late)C S Patel // When it is said that all these stalwarts are of a different opinion, and when I know that they don't have much support from the classics and texts like Brihat Jataka, Dasadhyayi, Krishneeya etc - it also gives some kind of false psudo satisfaction as well. I am not among one of them, and won't like to compare myself with any of them, but would love to contribute to astrology as a rare compiler/editer who contributed much to astrology and placed it on the right track and provided ancient rishi horas the reputation they derserve. I am not an inventor but only an editor/organizer - one who organizes and presents the ancient astrological wisdom systematically. One who is in search of oldest and authentic texts and the history of astrology and allied subjects. I am not and will not be among the best astrologers (there are numerous astrologers far far better than me in Kerala - me, sunil nair ji etc are mere dust compared to them, and they mountains) , but certainly I would certainly be one among the best editors and organisor of ancient astrological wisdom. The above list is of popular astro-writers, force behind some organizations and net popular astrologers rather than of great astrologers. Me too will have to be counted as one of the astro-writers, rather than as a great astrologer. Yes, in this sence I might be counted as one among them, but as far as the path followed is concerned, I will never be one among them. They are all great individuals, great store house of knowledge - that should be revered; but certainly that does not mean that we should follow them; that does not mean that they cannot commit mistakes; that does not mean that we cannot oppose their opinian in some cases. If I want to make an Akshouhini, then I will have to place people from our group such as Chandrahari ji (Bheeshma acharya) , Vijayadas pradeep ji (Ekalavya) etc into my side, and will have to find some converts within AIA who will agree with me. You are one of the first among the few I have on my side and - me Duryodhana - I should crown you as the king of Anga (karna). Ha..Ha... Any way our death is certain - with so many on the sother side. But with Neelam ji (Tripura Sundari), Sunil Nair ji (Narakasura), and Sreeram Srinivas ji (Viswamitra) on our side this Mahabharata should end in defferent way I hope. Further to help us Manoj Chandran ji (Satyaki) is also on our side. Let the Dronacharyas, Aswathamas and Arjunas, Sakunis, Sisupalas and all the allied forces of the near by kingdoms allign against us - our fort is so strong that we will win I believe. Krishna already told me that he would switch side this time, since arjuna was not able to save his wives. Bhaskar ji told me that he is ready to play the role of Krishna, but I told him that he shouldn't because he is married and it should become hazardous to health. Any way the point is - Two roads diverged in an wood, and I took the one less travelled by (at least from north indian perspective) in astrology and that has made all the difference. Ha..Ha.. Let them be in their path, and let us follow ours - or better, then one we feel as correct. Note 1: Ofcourse I know that there is no north indian/south indian divide for astrology as a subject; but ofcourse those words are sometimes useful to convey the idea in minimum words. Note 2: Please take the above mail in a lighter vain... the truth is there is no fight at all...but only the joy of study. Love and regards,Sreenadh -vijay.goel10/09/09 01:00 pm Subject: Re: Divisional Charts - the prerequisites as advised to us ........ Deal All, Shri K N Rao is using divisional charts and he had displayed it uses in our study classes once. I never give my reading without using divisional charts from a long time. Normally based on past events i had many times done Lagna Suddi, which proved right at later stage. I had many failures also. Sri Sanjay Rath had given exhaustive material on divisional chart and the process for BTR (birth time rectification). His ardent student Vistiji specifically used Navamsha and Dwadamsha chart for erecting a horoscope from Prashna chart who had lost their complete birth details in his audios. Sri Sanjay Rath has shown the proper methology as per Nastha Jatakam and are from authentic classical sources. Four persons, Sri Sanjay Rath, Sri K n Rao, Sri (late) Iyer, Sri (late) K. Subbha Rao has explained many secrets of divisional charts in their own way. Sri (late)C S Patel is institution in himself for giving the uses of Navamsha Chart from nadis. In this forum Sreenadhji is in the opinion that ancient astrology used varge concept limited to planatery amsa division but not as an independent amsa chart. I also agree with him because it can be rightly used in this way. We can see that KP astrologer are using this basic methology in their system. They just find the amsa of planet named as sub lord by mapping the division based on Vimsottari dasa lords (Time cycle Division). We can erect a divisional chart in name of KP chart of sublords just for an example. In short all system are using divisional concept of signs for more accuracy in their own way by giving different nomenclature. Thanks, Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur.

October 9, 2009

I am giving below a horoscope. Take it as an exercise Sreenadh ji and decipher it. Let all sena be on one side, this lone warrior is capable of taking on every one together (lighter vein offcourse). This chart belongs to a girl. Another chart I had given and there was no takers for that. Are we here to learn astrology or simply go on talking in circles and circles. Anyway here is the chart:

Lagna : Tula

Sun : Mesha

Moon : Vrishchika

Mars : Mesha

Mercury : Mesha

Jupiter : Kanya

Venus : Mesha

Saturn : Kanya

Rahu : Karka

Ketu : Makara

I am not giving the degrees here as Bhaskar ji, in one of his mails, had opined that he considers only the one as astrologer who can decipher the bare chart with transits. However, if birth data is required, kindly do let me know, I shall be happy to provide it.

regards,

Mouji

"sreesog" <sreesog Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 1:49:38 PM Re: Divisional Charts - the prerequisites as advised to us ........

Dear Vijay Goel ji,

//In this forum Sreenadhji is in the opinion that ancient astrology used varge concept limited to planatery amsa division but not as an independent amsa chart. I also agree with him because it can be rightly used in this way. //

I am happy that at least one individual is here with me. But I know that the whole of Kerala and much of South India also follow this opinion itself - and that is my power.

//Sri Sanjay Rath, Sri K n Rao, Sri (late) Iyer, Sri (late) K. Subbha Rao, Sri (late)C S Patel //

When it is said that all these stalwarts are of a different opinion, and when I know that they don't have much support from the classics and texts like Brihat Jataka, Dasadhyayi, Krishneeya etc - it also gives some kind of false psudo satisfaction as well. I am not among one of them, and won't like to compare myself with any of them, but would love to contribute to astrology as a rare compiler/editer who contributed much to astrology and placed it on the right track and provided ancient rishi horas the reputation they derserve. I am not an inventor but only an editor/organizer - one who organizes and presents the ancient astrological wisdom systematically. One

who is in search of oldest and authentic texts and the history of astrology and allied subjects. I am not and will not be among the best astrologers (there are numerous astrologers far far better than me in Kerala - me, sunil nair ji etc are mere dust compared to them, and they mountains) , but certainly I would certainly be one among the best editors and organisor of ancient astrological wisdom. The above list is of popular astro-writers, force behind some organizations and net popular astrologers rather than of great astrologers. Me too will have to be counted as one of the astro-writers, rather than as a great astrologer. Yes, in this sence I might be counted as one among them, but as far as the path followed is concerned, I will never be one among them. They

are all great individuals, great store house of knowledge - that should be revered; but certainly that does not mean that we should follow them; that does not mean that they cannot commit mistakes; that does not mean that we cannot oppose their opinian in some cases.

If I want to make an Akshouhini, then I will have to place people from our group such as Chandrahari ji (Bheeshma acharya) , Vijayadas pradeep ji (Ekalavya) etc into my side, and will have to find some converts within AIA who will agree with me. You are one of the first among the few I have on my side and - me Duryodhana - I should crown you as the king of Anga (karna). Ha..Ha... Any way our death is certain - with so many on the sother

side. But with Neelam ji (Tripura Sundari), Sunil Nair ji (Narakasura) , and Sreeram Srinivas ji (Viswamitra) on our side this Mahabharata should end in defferent way I hope. Further to help us Manoj Chandran ji (Satyaki) is also on our side.

Let the Dronacharyas, Aswathamas and Arjunas, Sakunis, Sisupalas and all the allied forces of the near by kingdoms allign against us - our fort is so strong that we will win I believe. Krishna already told me that he would switch side this time, since arjuna was not able to save his wives. Bhaskar ji told me that he is ready to

play the role of Krishna, but I told him that he shouldn't because he is married and it should become hazardous to health.

Any way the point is - Two roads diverged in an wood, and I took the one less travelled by (at least from north indian perspective) in astrology and that has made all the difference. Ha..Ha.. Let them be in their path, and let us follow ours - or better, then one we feel as correct.

Note 1: Ofcourse I know that there is no north indian/south indian divide for astrology as a subject; but ofcourse those words are sometimes useful to convey the idea in minimum words.

Note 2: Please take the above mail in a lighter vain... the truth is there is no fight at all...but only the joy of study.

Love and regards,Sreenadh

-

vijay.goel

10/09/09 01:00 pm

ancient_indian_ astrology

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Divisional Charts - the prerequisites as advised to us ........

Deal All, Shri K N Rao is using divisional charts and he had displayed it uses in our study classes once. I never give my reading without using divisional charts from a long time. Normally based on past events i had many times done Lagna Suddi, which proved right at later stage. I had many failures also. Sri Sanjay Rath had given exhaustive material on divisional chart and the process for BTR (birth time rectification) . His ardent student Vistiji specifically used Navamsha and Dwadamsha chart for erecting a horoscope from Prashna chart who had lost their complete birth details in his audios. Sri Sanjay Rath has shown the proper methology as per Nastha Jatakam and are from authentic classical sources. Four persons, Sri Sanjay Rath, Sri K n Rao, Sri (late) Iyer, Sri (late) K. Subbha Rao has explained many secrets of divisional charts in their own way. Sri (late)C S Patel is institution in himself

for giving the uses of Navamsha Chart from nadis. In this forum Sreenadhji is in the opinion that ancient astrology used varge concept limited to planatery amsa division but not as an independent amsa chart. I also agree with him because it can be rightly used in this way. We can see that KP astrologer are using this basic methology in their system. They just find the amsa of planet named as sub lord by mapping the division based on Vimsottari dasa lords (Time cycle Division). We can erect a divisional chart in name of KP chart of sublords just for an example. In short all system are using divisional concept of signs for more accuracy in their own way by giving different nomenclature. Thanks, Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur.

October 9, 2009

And kindly before 5 p.m. today, in case you need birth details, because then I am getting the long deserved week end, and I normally, avoid net during saturdays and sundays.

regards again,