Guest guest Posted November 6, 2001 Report Share Posted November 6, 2001 OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH Dear Narasimha, Look at this data: You will notice that the birth time is taken as 6.40 AM IST at Delhi on a wednesday and the Hora is shown as that of Mars and the day as Tuesday. Is it possible to have the two Hora options of reckoning then from 6.00AM and subrise while the day is reckoned from Sunrise. In any case this should be Wednesday and the Hora should be of Mercury by both the methods. Untitled Natal Chart November 7, 2001 Time: 6:40:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Longitude: 77 E 12' 00 " Latitude: 28 N 36' 00 " Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Year: Vrisha Lunar Month: Nija Aswayuja Tithi: Krishna Shashthi (7.93% left) Weekday: Tuesday Nakshatra: Punarvasu (11.01% left) Yoga: Sadhya Karana: Vanija Hora Lord: Mars Sunrise: 6:39:26 Sunset: 17:29:34 Janma Ghatis: 60.0236 Best Regards Sanjay Rath http://sanjayrath.tripod.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 Dear Sanjay, Thank you for catching an important problem. The sunrise time 6:39:26 is of the previous day! Sunrise on Nov 7 was at 6:40:11 am! So 6:40 am was still in Tuesday! (I now added the facility to print the date also when printing the sunrise/sunset times, if their date is different! This eliminates the confusion you had. Still, there are several bugs here.) There was a mix-up. I had changed the hora code to change horas at 6 am LMT, but kept weekday as it was (i.e. changes at sunrise). This introduced the bug. Mars hora is wrong. It should be Venus hora (24th hora) in Tuesday. Just after 11 seconds, sunrise took place and Mercury hora and Wednesday started. Though I gave the option of defining sunrise, I was taking lagna=Sun as the criterion for weekday start and that's why you'll get Tuesday even at 6:41 am (though sunrise is given at 6:40:11). I am cleaning up the whole thing now and making everything consistent. Regarding what you suggested, I do not see how I can decouple weekday and horas. Aren't they aligned? I will give two weekday/hora options: (1) Weekday changes at 6 am LMT. Hora is exactly 1 hour. (2) Weekday changes at sunrise and hora is 1/24th of sunrise-to- sunrise duration. In the Lite version, I will force (1) and I'll let the user choose in the commercial version. Though I argued with you, I have seen light (however, I still hold that 6 am LMT may be slightly wrong. It should basically be the average sunrise time over time = -infinity to time = +infinity). For Gulika etc upagrahas also, should I give the option of using 6 am LMT and 6 pm LMT instead of sunrise and sunset? Please advise immediately. All your arguments (poles etc) apply there too. BTW, I see that you are using the option of tip being " truly " on the horizon. Though I was using the tip " appearing " to be on the horizon as the definition, I started having doubts. What if Sun is not visible on a day due to clouds? How can the time when Sun is visible matter? In that case, how can the refraction of solar rays matter? So, is your preference to use the middle option of JH (i.e. Sun's tip is truly on horizon)? Your sishya, Narasimha > OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH > Dear Narasimha, > Look at this data: You will notice that the birth time is taken as 6.40 AM > IST at Delhi on a wednesday and the Hora is shown as that of Mars and the > day as Tuesday. Is it possible to have the two Hora options of reckoning > then from 6.00AM and subrise while the day is reckoned from Sunrise. In any > case this should be Wednesday and the Hora should be of Mercury by both the > methods. > > Untitled > > Natal Chart > > November 7, 2001 > Time: 6:40:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Longitude: 77 E 12' 00 " > Latitude: 28 N 36' 00 " > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > Lunar Year: Vrisha > Lunar Month: Nija Aswayuja > Tithi: Krishna Shashthi (7.93% left) > Weekday: Tuesday > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (11.01% left) > Yoga: Sadhya > Karana: Vanija > Hora Lord: Mars > > Sunrise: 6:39:26 > Sunset: 17:29:34 > Janma Ghatis: 60.0236 > > > Best Regards > Sanjay Rath > http://sanjayrath.tripod.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Narasimha One Technical doubt here.... What I understand from Gurudev's teaching on Sunrise, is that when the tip of the Sun is visible on the horizon (due to refraction), we take that as the Sunrise. However, Lagna rises when the " center " of the Sun comes to the Horizon as the degree of the sign where the Sun is placed rise every day at horizon. When we see the placement of the Sun in any degree, we would see the center of the Sun and not the rising edge of the Sun. Hence, it would happen that the Lagna at Sunrise is behind the Sun's Position and not at Sun's position. Only after Sun's center comes to the Horizon, the Lagna's longitude is equal to Sun's longitude. So this means that Lagna's rise can't be seen as starting of the day as it rises approximately after 4mins of Sunrise (apparent limb). Is my understanding correct? Regards Sarajit - <pvr108 <jhora > Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:00 AM Re: Bugs and rodents! > Dear Sanjay, > > Thank you for catching an important problem. > > The sunrise time 6:39:26 is of the previous day! Sunrise on Nov 7 was > at 6:40:11 am! So 6:40 am was still in Tuesday! (I now added the > facility to print the date also when printing the sunrise/sunset > times, if their date is different! This eliminates the confusion you > had. Still, there are several bugs here.) > > There was a mix-up. I had changed the hora code to change horas at 6 > am LMT, but kept weekday as it was (i.e. changes at sunrise). This > introduced the bug. Mars hora is wrong. It should be Venus hora (24th > hora) in Tuesday. Just after 11 seconds, sunrise took place and > Mercury hora and Wednesday started. > > Though I gave the option of defining sunrise, I was taking lagna=Sun > as the criterion for weekday start and that's why you'll get Tuesday > even at 6:41 am (though sunrise is given at 6:40:11). > > I am cleaning up the whole thing now and making everything consistent. > > Regarding what you suggested, I do not see how I can decouple weekday > and horas. Aren't they aligned? I will give two weekday/hora options: > > (1) Weekday changes at 6 am LMT. Hora is exactly 1 hour. > > (2) Weekday changes at sunrise and hora is 1/24th of sunrise-to- > sunrise duration. > > In the Lite version, I will force (1) and I'll let the user choose in > the commercial version. Though I argued with you, I have seen light > (however, I still hold that 6 am LMT may be slightly wrong. It should > basically be the average sunrise time over time = -infinity to time = > +infinity). > > For Gulika etc upagrahas also, should I give the option of using 6 am > LMT and 6 pm LMT instead of sunrise and sunset? Please advise > immediately. All your arguments (poles etc) apply there too. > > BTW, I see that you are using the option of tip being " truly " on the > horizon. Though I was using the tip " appearing " to be on the horizon > as the definition, I started having doubts. What if Sun is not > visible on a day due to clouds? How can the time when Sun is visible > matter? In that case, how can the refraction of solar rays matter? > So, is your preference to use the middle option of JH (i.e. Sun's tip > is truly on horizon)? > > Your sishya, > Narasimha > > > OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH > > Dear Narasimha, > > Look at this data: You will notice that the birth time is taken as > 6.40 AM > > IST at Delhi on a wednesday and the Hora is shown as that of Mars > and the > > day as Tuesday. Is it possible to have the two Hora options of > reckoning > > then from 6.00AM and subrise while the day is reckoned from > Sunrise. In any > > case this should be Wednesday and the Hora should be of Mercury by > both the > > methods. > > > > Untitled > > > > Natal Chart > > > > November 7, 2001 > > Time: 6:40:00 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Longitude: 77 E 12' 00 " > > Latitude: 28 N 36' 00 " > > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > > > Lunar Year: Vrisha > > Lunar Month: Nija Aswayuja > > Tithi: Krishna Shashthi (7.93% left) > > Weekday: Tuesday > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (11.01% left) > > Yoga: Sadhya > > Karana: Vanija > > Hora Lord: Mars > > > > Sunrise: 6:39:26 > > Sunset: 17:29:34 > > Janma Ghatis: 60.0236 > > > > > > Best Regards > > Sanjay Rath > > http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2001 Report Share Posted November 7, 2001 OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH Dear Narasimha, There are four methods of reckoning time: A) SATURN - Yama Dharmaraja 1 Ahoratra = 8 Yama of 3 hors each 1 Yama = 2 Yamardha or Kaala (short for Mahakaala) of 1Hr 30 mts each This follows 6 AM to 6 AM and not Sunrise (Typical of saturn) B) Jupiter - Muhurtha 1 Ahoratra = 30 Muhurta 1 Muhurta = 30 Kashtha 1 kashtha = 30 kalaa 1 kalaa = 18 Nimesha (winks) [Thus 1 Nimesha is about 0.211 sec each] C) Venus - Nakshatra nadika 1 Ahoratra = 60 Ghati (North) or Ghatika (South) or Nadika (West india) or Danda (Orissa/Bengal) 1 Ghati = 60 Vighati D) Mercury - Hora 1 Ahoratra = 12 Bhava 1 Bhava = 2 Hora Methods A & D use the LMT system from 6AM to 6 AM and for methods B & C use sunrise. All Upagraha follow the Graha's and standard rules of the Guru's. Best Regards Sanjay Rath http://sanjayrath.tripod.com - <pvr108 <jhora > Wednesday, November 07, 2001 6:00 AM Re: Bugs and rodents! > Dear Sanjay, > > Thank you for catching an important problem. > > The sunrise time 6:39:26 is of the previous day! Sunrise on Nov 7 was > at 6:40:11 am! So 6:40 am was still in Tuesday! (I now added the > facility to print the date also when printing the sunrise/sunset > times, if their date is different! This eliminates the confusion you > had. Still, there are several bugs here.) > > There was a mix-up. I had changed the hora code to change horas at 6 > am LMT, but kept weekday as it was (i.e. changes at sunrise). This > introduced the bug. Mars hora is wrong. It should be Venus hora (24th > hora) in Tuesday. Just after 11 seconds, sunrise took place and > Mercury hora and Wednesday started. > > Though I gave the option of defining sunrise, I was taking lagna=Sun > as the criterion for weekday start and that's why you'll get Tuesday > even at 6:41 am (though sunrise is given at 6:40:11). > > I am cleaning up the whole thing now and making everything consistent. > > Regarding what you suggested, I do not see how I can decouple weekday > and horas. Aren't they aligned? I will give two weekday/hora options: > > (1) Weekday changes at 6 am LMT. Hora is exactly 1 hour. > > (2) Weekday changes at sunrise and hora is 1/24th of sunrise-to- > sunrise duration. > > In the Lite version, I will force (1) and I'll let the user choose in > the commercial version. Though I argued with you, I have seen light > (however, I still hold that 6 am LMT may be slightly wrong. It should > basically be the average sunrise time over time = -infinity to time = > +infinity). > > For Gulika etc upagrahas also, should I give the option of using 6 am > LMT and 6 pm LMT instead of sunrise and sunset? Please advise > immediately. All your arguments (poles etc) apply there too. > > BTW, I see that you are using the option of tip being " truly " on the > horizon. Though I was using the tip " appearing " to be on the horizon > as the definition, I started having doubts. What if Sun is not > visible on a day due to clouds? How can the time when Sun is visible > matter? In that case, how can the refraction of solar rays matter? > So, is your preference to use the middle option of JH (i.e. Sun's tip > is truly on horizon)? > > Your sishya, > Narasimha > > > OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH > > Dear Narasimha, > > Look at this data: You will notice that the birth time is taken as > 6.40 AM > > IST at Delhi on a wednesday and the Hora is shown as that of Mars > and the > > day as Tuesday. Is it possible to have the two Hora options of > reckoning > > then from 6.00AM and subrise while the day is reckoned from > Sunrise. In any > > case this should be Wednesday and the Hora should be of Mercury by > both the > > methods. > > > > Untitled > > > > Natal Chart > > > > November 7, 2001 > > Time: 6:40:00 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Longitude: 77 E 12' 00 " > > Latitude: 28 N 36' 00 " > > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > > > Lunar Year: Vrisha > > Lunar Month: Nija Aswayuja > > Tithi: Krishna Shashthi (7.93% left) > > Weekday: Tuesday > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (11.01% left) > > Yoga: Sadhya > > Karana: Vanija > > Hora Lord: Mars > > > > Sunrise: 6:39:26 > > Sunset: 17:29:34 > > Janma Ghatis: 60.0236 > > > > > > Best Regards > > Sanjay Rath > > http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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