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Dear Mr.Narasimha P.V.R. Rao,

 

Few months ago I had posted to this group, asking for clarification on

eclipse and full moon - no moon calculations.

I would like one more clarification regarding today's eclipse. I was

watching the eclipse on television and on my laptop (using Starry Night

planetarium software). Even though I was in the path of totality, due to

rain, I was unable to witness the event in the sky.

In many parts of India, the totality occurred at 6.22 a.m. (I.S.T.) Even

the city I am staying was plunged into darkness.

This means, at this moment, the centers of the Sun and the Moon were

perfectly aligned.

Using my planetarium software following were the sayan positions of sun

and moon:

 

Sun 119.377° Moon 119.361°

The minor difference in fractional part can be neglected because I had

rounded off the time.

 

Using Jagannath Hora V. 7.32, following values were obtained

 

Sun 119.380° Moon 118.361°

 

Why is the moon's position offset by 1° ? In that case totality would

not have been possible.

Two other Astrology softwares which I use gave similar results.

The Panchang I use is one of the first Panchang to adopt modern methods

of calculations. The results were

 

Sun 119.341° Moon 117.821°

 

Why is the moon's position wrong (?) in each case?

If this is really an error in astrological calculations, then it could

make a deep impact on predictions which we make.

 

My settings are as follows

Date 22-July 2009

Time 6 hrs 22 min (I.S.T., G.M.T. +5:30)

Location Anand (Gujarat State, India)

Lat : 22°34'N

Long 72°56'E

Ayanamsha : Sayan

The positions of Sun and Moon are represented in Decimal format (thus if

sun's position was 119.75°, it could have meant 119°45' --- this is to

avoid ambiguity)

 

Regards,

Kedar Damle

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Namaste,

 

In Jyotisha, we use true geocentric positions. But, if you want to time a visual

effect such as an eclipse, use apparent topocentric positions instead of true

geocentric positions. True vs apparent makes very little difference, but

geocentric vs topocentric makes a big difference for Moon.

 

If I use apparent topocentric positions, sayana longitude of Sun at 6:22 am at

Anand, India is 29 Cn 22' 34.86 " and Moon at 29 Cn 21' 45.17 " . This matches your

planetarium software.

 

Your planetarium software must be giving apparent topocentric positions. After

all, a planetarium software will look at the sky from the current place and not

from the center of earth.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

---- kedar damle <damkedar wrote:

> Dear Mr.Narasimha P.V.R. Rao,

>

> Few months ago I had posted to this group, asking for clarification on

> eclipse and full moon - no moon calculations.

> I would like one more clarification regarding today's eclipse. I was

> watching the eclipse on television and on my laptop (using Starry Night

> planetarium software). Even though I was in the path of totality, due to

> rain, I was unable to witness the event in the sky.

> In many parts of India, the totality occurred at 6.22 a.m. (I.S.T.) Even

> the city I am staying was plunged into darkness.

> This means, at this moment, the centers of the Sun and the Moon were

> perfectly aligned.

> Using my planetarium software following were the sayan positions of sun

> and moon:

>

> Sun 119.377° Moon 119.361°

> The minor difference in fractional part can be neglected because I had

> rounded off the time.

>

> Using Jagannath Hora V. 7.32, following values were obtained

>

> Sun 119.380° Moon 118.361°

>

> Why is the moon's position offset by 1° ? In that case totality would

> not have been possible.

> Two other Astrology softwares which I use gave similar results.

> The Panchang I use is one of the first Panchang to adopt modern methods

> of calculations. The results were

>

> Sun 119.341° Moon 117.821°

>

> Why is the moon's position wrong (?) in each case?

> If this is really an error in astrological calculations, then it could

> make a deep impact on predictions which we make.

>

> My settings are as follows

> Date 22-July 2009

> Time 6 hrs 22 min (I.S.T., G.M.T. +5:30)

> Location Anand (Gujarat State, India)

> Lat : 22°34'N

> Long 72°56'E

> Ayanamsha : Sayan

> The positions of Sun and Moon are represented in Decimal format (thus if

> sun's position was 119.75°, it could have meant 119°45' --- this is to

> avoid ambiguity)

>

> Regards,

> Kedar Damle

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Dear Narasimha PVR Rao,

 

Thanks for your quick reply. My confusion has been solved. I will now

try to find out the equations for converting topocentric co-ordinates

to geocentric co-ordinates.

 

Regards,

Kedar Damle

 

Narasimha PVR Rao wrote:

 

Namaste,

In Jyotisha, we use true geocentric positions. But, if you want to time a visual effect such as an eclipse, use apparent topocentric positions instead of true geocentric positions. True vs apparent makes very little difference, but geocentric vs topocentric makes a big difference for Moon.

If I use apparent topocentric positions, sayana longitude of Sun at 6:22 am at Anand, India is 29 Cn 22' 34.86" and Moon at 29 Cn 21' 45.17". This matches your planetarium software.

Your planetarium software must be giving apparent topocentric positions. After all, a planetarium software will look at the sky from the current place and not from the center of earth.

Best regards,

Narasimha

---- kedar damle <damkedar wrote:

 

Dear Mr.Narasimha P.V.R. Rao,

Few months ago I had posted to this group, asking for clarification on eclipse and full moon - no moon calculations.

I would like one more clarification regarding today's eclipse. I was watching the eclipse on television and on my laptop (using Starry Night planetarium software). Even though I was in the path of totality, due to rain, I was unable to witness the event in the sky.

In many parts of India, the totality occurred at 6.22 a.m. (I.S.T.) Even the city I am staying was plunged into darkness.

This means, at this moment, the centers of the Sun and the Moon were perfectly aligned.

Using my planetarium software following were the sayan positions of sun and moon:

Sun 119.377° Moon 119.361° The minor difference in fractional part can be neglected because I had rounded off the time.

Using Jagannath Hora V. 7.32, following values were obtained

Sun 119.380° Moon 118.361°

Why is the moon's position offset by 1° ? In that case totality would not have been possible.

Two other Astrology softwares which I use gave similar results.

The Panchang I use is one of the first Panchang to adopt modern methods of calculations. The results were

Sun 119.341° Moon 117.821°

Why is the moon's position wrong (?) in each case?

If this is really an error in astrological calculations, then it could make a deep impact on predictions which we make.

My settings are as follows

Date 22-July 2009

Time 6 hrs 22 min (I.S.T., G.M.T. +5:30)

Location Anand (Gujarat State, India)

Lat : 22°34'N

Long 72°56'E

Ayanamsha : Sayan

The positions of Sun and Moon are represented in Decimal format (thus if sun's position was 119.75°, it could have meant 119°45' --- this is to avoid ambiguity)

Regards,

Kedar Damle

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--- On Thu, 23/7/09, kedar damle <damkedar wrote:kedar damle <damkedarRe: Calculation of Sun and Moon"Narasimha PVR Rao" <pvr, jhora Date: Thursday, 23 July, 2009, 6:30 AM

 

 

 

Dear Narasimha PVR Rao,

 

Thanks for your quick reply. My confusion has been solved. I will now

try to find out the equations for converting topocentric co-ordinates

to geocentric co-ordinates.

 

Regards,

Kedar Damle

 

Narasimha PVR Rao wrote:

 

Namaste, In Jyotisha, we use true geocentric positions. But, if you want to time a visual effect such as an eclipse, use apparent topocentric positions instead of true geocentric positions. True vs apparent makes very little difference, but geocentric vs topocentric makes a big difference for Moon. If I use apparent topocentric positions, sayana longitude of Sun at 6:22 am at Anand, India is 29 Cn 22' 34.86" and Moon at 29 Cn 21' 45.17". This matches your planetarium software. Your planetarium software must be giving apparent topocentric positions. After all, a planetarium software will look at the sky from the current place and not from the center of earth. Best regards,Narasimha ---- kedar damle <damkedar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Dear Mr.Narasimha P.V.R. Rao,Few months ago I had posted to this group, asking for clarification on eclipse and full moon - no moon calculations.I would like one more clarification regarding today's eclipse. I was watching the eclipse on television and on my laptop (using Starry Night planetarium software). Even though I was in the path of totality, due to rain, I was unable to witness the event in the sky.In many parts of India, the totality occurred at 6.22 a.m. (I.S.T.) Even the city I am staying was plunged into darkness.This means, at this moment, the centers of the Sun and the Moon were perfectly aligned.Using my planetarium software following were the sayan positions of sun and moon:Sun 119.377° Moon 119.361° The minor difference in fractional part can be neglected because I had rounded off the time.Using Jagannath Hora V. 7.32, following values were

obtainedSun 119.380° Moon 118.361°Why is the moon's position offset by 1° ? In that case totality would not have been possible.Two other Astrology softwares which I use gave similar results.The Panchang I use is one of the first Panchang to adopt modern methods of calculations. The results wereSun 119.341° Moon 117.821°Why is the moon's position wrong (?) in each case?If this is really an error in astrological calculations, then it could make a deep impact on predictions which we make.My settings are as followsDate 22-July 2009Time 6 hrs 22 min (I.S.T., G.M.T. +5:30)Location Anand (Gujarat State, India)Lat : 22°34'NLong 72°56'EAyanamsha : SayanThe positions of Sun and Moon are represented in Decimal format (thus if sun's position was 119.75°, it could have meant 119°45' --- this is to avoid ambiguity)Regards,Kedar

Damle

 

 

 

 

 

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