RESEARCH: How to find bhavas (houses) from various references?

August 18, 2009

Namashkar Narasimhaji,

Krishnamoorthyji followed this method too, as I had mentioned in my previous

post, but used Placidius house divisions. This is the main essence of K.P.

method of prediction which I have found to be accurate, particularly when the

K.P. method is strictly applied.

I really didn't understand Parashara Muni's logic, as mentioned by you... it

could not seep in yet. If you could kindly make it simpler?

RishiRahul

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sohamsa

pvr

Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:38:05 -0400

[vedic astrology] Re: RESEARCH: How to find bhavas (houses) from

various references?

Namaste friends,

Take Swami Vivekananda's chart for example. Lagna is at 26 deg in Sg.

Those who take entire signs as houses will get 0-30 deg in Sg as the 1st house,

0-30 deg in Cp as the 2nd house etc.

Those who take +/- 15 deg from reference as the first house will get 11 deg in

Sg to 11 deg in Cp as the 1st house, 11 deg in Cp to 11 deg in Aq as the 2nd

house etc.

What I am proposing (based on a critical reading of Parasara, i.e. this is not

really my original " idea " ) is that 26 deg in Sg to 26 deg in Cp is the 1st

house, 26 deg in Cp to 26 deg in Aq is the 2nd house etc.

I am told that Krishnamoorthy used the same method, though he did not use equal

30 deg houses and used unequal Placidus houses. However, he apparently took

lagna as the *beginning* of the first house and not as the *middle* of the first

house.

BTW, I hope this reply answers other questions by Ranjan, Marg, Rishi etc on

other lists too.

Best regards,

Narasimha

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sohamsa , " shortcut " <shortcutfromdos wrote:

> Hi PVR ji,

>

> I think i am missing something here you have mentioned that

>

> The following is the definition of houses from a reference:

> 1st house: 0-30 deg from the reference

> 2nd house: 30-60 deg from the reference

> 3rd house: 60-90 deg from the reference

> 4th house: 90-120 deg from the reference

> 5th house: 120-150 deg from the reference

> 6th house: 150-180 deg from the reference

> 7th house: 180-210 deg from the reference

> 8th house: 210-240 deg from the reference

> 9th house: 240-270 deg from the reference

> 10th house: 270-300 deg from the reference

> 11th house: 300-330 deg from the reference

> 12th house: 330-360 deg from the reference

>

> How is it different from the way we currently use ? currently since

> rashi is of 30 deg house are ending at every 30 deg.

>

> Is it that - if lagna is 1 deg aries then next house starts at 1 deg

> Taurus, and same with every planet. Can you please explain.

>

> sohamsa , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > Parasara indicated in one place in BPHS that bhavas (houses) could

> extend across two signs. He never really defined how to find bhavas, but

> said in the chapter on special ascendants that a " bhava chakra " (house

> chart), or a " bhava koshtha " as he called it, can be prepared from these

> references by placing various planets in various houses, just like we do

> from lagna. When discussing ashtakavarga and planetary significations,

> he said that bhavas can be seen from Sun, Moon, Mars etc.

> >

> > So, we can find bhavas from various references, including lagna,

> planets and special lagnas, and place various planets in various houses

> from the reference.

> >

> > But the key question is: Exactly how do we find bhavas from a given

> reference?

> >

> > Do we take the entire sign as a house? If we do that, then Parasara's

> statement on possibly houses extending across two signs becomes

> illogical.

> >

> > Do we take 15 deg before the reference and 15 deg after the reference

> as the first house and take other houses accordingly?

> >

> > Do we use unequal division methods like Sripathi houses,

> Krishnamoorthy houses, Koch houses etc?

> >

> > I believe the answer exists within BPHS!

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Parasara declared in " graha sphuta drishti kathanaadhyaaya " (planetary

> longitudinal aspect evaluation chapter): " I have previously explained

> the planetary aspects based on the *signs* occupied by planets. Now I

> will explain another kind of planetary aspects based on the *houses*

> from planets, which are dependent on their longitudes. "

> >

> > Then Parasara went on to state that Mars has an aspect on the 4th and

> 8th houses from him, Jupiter has an aspect on the 5th and 9th houses

> from him and Saturn has an aspect on the 3rd and 10th houses from him.

> >

> > Of course, one may say " we all know this. What is new in this " . But,

> what *follows* is truly significant, for it clarifies what these

> " houses " from Mars, Jupiter and Saturn truly are. After all, Parasara

> went on further and *quantified* houses based on longitudes!!!

> >

> > Parasara gave a way to evaluate planetary aspects based on the

> planet's longitude. In the case of Mars, 90-120 deg and 210-240 deg from

> Mars get a higher score compared to other planets. In the case of

> Jupiter, 120-150 deg and 240-270 deg from Jupiter get a higher score

> compared to other planets. So these are the definitions of the

> corresponding houses from corresponding planets!!! The 4th house from

> Mars is 90-120 deg from him. The 5th house from Jupiter is 120-150 deg

> from him. And so on.

> >

> > Of course, these values are used in shadbala and programmed by me into

> Jagannatha Hora long back. But it was only a few months back that it

> dawned on me that here is a clear teaching from Parasara on how to find

> bhavas (houses) from reference points! Then I started experimenting with

> it and satisfied myself over time.

> >

> > It was a radical departure from what I was used to, but I had to

> accept the words of a maharshi. Moreover, I was intellectually satisfied

> in the end, after trying out on many charts - natal and annual.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > The following is the definition of houses from a reference:

> >

> > 1st house: 0-30 deg from the reference

> > 2nd house: 30-60 deg from the reference

> > 3rd house: 60-90 deg from the reference

> > 4th house: 90-120 deg from the reference

> > 5th house: 120-150 deg from the reference

> > 6th house: 150-180 deg from the reference

> > 7th house: 180-210 deg from the reference

> > 8th house: 210-240 deg from the reference

> > 9th house: 240-270 deg from the reference

> > 10th house: 270-300 deg from the reference

> > 11th house: 300-330 deg from the reference

> > 12th house: 330-360 deg from the reference

> >

> > If you use the above table, the longitude ranges Parasara mentioned

> for the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 8th, 9th and 10th houses regarding the special

> aspects of Mars, Jupiter and Saturn will come out correctly.

> >

> > I recommend using the above table for finding houses with respect to

> lagna, special lagnas, planets etc. It is very simple to check manually.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > We say that the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th houses from lagna

> form the visible half. With the above method, those houses will consist

> of 180-360 deg from lagna and that half is indeed visible. If we define

> houses as entire signs or as " 15 deg before/after " , then a part of 7th

> house is visible and the remaining part of 7th house is invisible.

> Similarly, a part of the 1st house is visible and the remaining part of

> 1st house is invisible. But, using the above method, the entire 1st

> house is invisible and the entire 7th house is visible (which should be

> the case in the first place).

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > The above will make a difference in many charts with regard to which

> planets are in which houses from lagna, from GL, from Moon, from Jupiter

> etc. If you are interested, you can experiment with this in many charts

> and see if it gives better results. It is more logical and it is based

> on Parasara's teachings. I have been experimenting with this for several

> months and I am satisfied.

> >

> > I will not give too many examples at this time, but let me illustrate

> the differences with a couple of examples.

> >

> > Example 1: 1971 April 27, 6:30 am (IST), Bombay, India

> >

> > The native got married in June 2007 in Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa as

> per regular Vimsottari dasa. Though Jupiter occupies the 8th sign from

> the sign containing lagna, he is actually in the 7th house from lagna.

> Being the 9th lord in 7th, he can give marriage.

> >

> > Example 2 (John Denver): 1943 December 31, 2:55 pm (PDT), 105w00,

> 33n20

> >

> > He died in October 1997 in Ketu-Rahu antardasa. Though Ketu and Rahu

> occupy the 9th and 3rd signs from the sign occupied by lagna, they are

> actually in the 8th and 2nd houses from lagna. Being the 7th lord in the

> 8th house, Ketu is a maaraka. Being a malefic in the 2nd house, Rahu is

> a maaraka.

> >

> > Example 3 (Swami Vivekananda): 1863 January 12, 6:33 am (5:54 hrs east

> of GMT), 88e30, 22n40

> >

> > He became a renowned world teacher with the Chicago parliament of

> religions in 1893. Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa was running as per regular

> Vimsottari dasa. Though Jupiter is in the 11th sign from the sign

> occupied by lagna and GL, he is in the 10th house from lagna and from

> GL. That is why Jupiter played an important role in the karma (work) and

> made him a world teacher.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > This being a radical change from the norm, I want to go slow with this

> one. For now, I will sign off and let interested scholars and students

> process and digest this information. I may try to write more later. For

> example, the impact of this on ashtakavarga is tricky and significant.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

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August 18, 2009

Hi Narasimha

Yes it does answer more clearly why you put Ketu in eighth.......but if Jupiter

is transitting Aries at 13 deg Aries are you going to say he has full drishti on

Ketu due to you placing him in eighth?

best wishes

M

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Narasimha PVR Rao

vedic astrology ; ;

sohamsa

Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:38 PM

Re: RESEARCH: How to find bhavas (houses) from various

references?

Namaste friends,

Take Swami Vivekananda's chart for example. Lagna is at 26 deg in Sg.

Those who take entire signs as houses will get 0-30 deg in Sg as the 1st

house, 0-30 deg in Cp as the 2nd house etc.

Those who take +/- 15 deg from reference as the first house will get 11 deg in

Sg to 11 deg in Cp as the 1st house, 11 deg in Cp to 11 deg in Aq as the 2nd

house etc.

What I am proposing (based on a critical reading of Parasara, i.e. this is not

really my original " idea " ) is that 26 deg in Sg to 26 deg in Cp is the 1st

house, 26 deg in Cp to 26 deg in Aq is the 2nd house etc.

I am told that Krishnamoorthy used the same method, though he did not use

equal 30 deg houses and used unequal Placidus houses. However, he apparently

took lagna as the *beginning* of the first house and not as the *middle* of the

first house.