JHora Calculations and big difference in position for Jagannatha Ay

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Namaste,

 

Jagannatha ayanamsa is not just a zero point change, in which case a difference of 3.5 sec in zero point would change all planets by 3.5 sec. It fixes the 2-dimensional plane onto which planets are projected. In Lahiri, an oscillating plane is taken. In Jagannatha ayanamsa, it is a constant plane (Vishnunabhi plane, the plane in which Sun goes around Vishnunabhi in an elliptical orbit). When you change the plane by a small angle, longitudes will be affected nonlinearly, based on the longitudes and latitudes of planets. Thus, longitudes of different planets will be modified by different amounts compared to Lahiri ayanamsa.

 

Some planets can definitely change by several minutes in some cases.

 

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Shekhar G Tover

pvr

Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:58 PM

JHora Calculations and big difference in position for Jagannatha Ay

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Narasimhaji,Please a a look at the difference that is shown when we switch over from Lahiri to Jagannatha Ayanamsa in JHora.The Ayanamsa difference is about 3.5 secs but for Venus the difference shown is about 6 mins, shifting Venus from Taurus to Gemini.06-Nov-1973, 00:25:20 BangaloreRegards,Shekhar

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Dear Narasimha

 

Namaste

 

How can Jagannatha ayanamsa change from planet to planet?

Once you find a value for given time, it will remain same for all bodies at that

time.

 

Another request I wanted to make is

please make Vedic-astrology list and Jhora list PUBLIC as before.

 

My mails are not appearing in Sohamsa. Can I post them here?

 

Thanks

 

Anil

 

 

jhora , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Jagannatha ayanamsa is not just a zero point change, in which case a

difference of 3.5 sec in zero point would change all planets by 3.5 sec. It

fixes the 2-dimensional plane onto which planets are projected. In Lahiri, an

oscillating plane is taken. In Jagannatha ayanamsa, it is a constant plane

(Vishnunabhi plane, the plane in which Sun goes around Vishnunabhi in an

elliptical orbit). When you change the plane by a small angle, longitudes will

be affected nonlinearly, based on the longitudes and latitudes of planets. Thus,

longitudes of different planets will be modified by different amounts compared

to Lahiri ayanamsa.

>

> Some planets can definitely change by several minutes in some cases.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

> -

> Shekhar G Tover

> pvr

> Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:58 PM

> JHora Calculations and big difference in position for Jagannatha Ay

>

>

> Dear Narasimhaji,

>

> Please a a look at the difference that is shown when we switch over

from Lahiri to Jagannatha Ayanamsa in JHora.

>

> The Ayanamsa difference is about 3.5 secs but for Venus the difference

shown is about 6 mins, shifting Venus from Taurus to Gemini.

>

> 06-Nov-1973, 00:25:20 Bangalore

>

> Regards,

> Shekhar

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

All ayanamsas use the sun-earth plane that is fluctuating with time. Because all

use the same plane at a given date and time (even though the plane keeps

changing from day to day), the only diffrence is the zero point. So all planets

are affected equally when you go from Lahiri to Raman or to some other ayanamsa.

 

In Jagannatha ayanamsa, we are using a constant plane at all dates and times. So

the plane on which planets are projected on a given date is at a small angle

compared to the plane used in Lahiri and other ayanamsas. When you change the

plane of projection, different planets are changed by different amounts based on

the longitude and latitude. It is no longer a mere zero point change. It is a

change of zero point and plane.

 

For any issues with vedic astrology , please contact

narayan.iyer or vedic astrology-owner . For sohamsa

issues, please contact Pt Sanjay Rath or sohamsa-owner .

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

Spirituality:

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

 

 

---- aokedia <aokedia wrote:

> Dear Narasimha

>

> Namaste

>

> How can Jagannatha ayanamsa change from planet to planet?

> Once you find a value for given time, it will remain same for all bodies at

that time.

>

> Another request I wanted to make is

> please make Vedic-astrology list and Jhora list PUBLIC as before.

>

> My mails are not appearing in Sohamsa. Can I post them here?

>

> Thanks

>

> Anil

>

> jhora , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Jagannatha ayanamsa is not just a zero point change, in which case a

difference of 3.5 sec in zero point would change all planets by 3.5 sec. It

fixes the 2-dimensional plane onto which planets are projected. In Lahiri, an

oscillating plane is taken. In Jagannatha ayanamsa, it is a constant plane

(Vishnunabhi plane, the plane in which Sun goes around Vishnunabhi in an

elliptical orbit). When you change the plane by a small angle, longitudes will

be affected nonlinearly, based on the longitudes and latitudes of planets. Thus,

longitudes of different planets will be modified by different amounts compared

to Lahiri ayanamsa.

> >

> > Some planets can definitely change by several minutes in some cases.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> >

> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > Spirituality:

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> >

> > -

> > Shekhar G Tover

> > pvr

> > Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:58 PM

> > JHora Calculations and big difference in position for Jagannatha

Ay

> >

> >

> > Dear Narasimhaji,

> >

> > Please a a look at the difference that is shown when we switch over

from Lahiri to Jagannatha Ayanamsa in JHora.

> >

> > The Ayanamsa difference is about 3.5 secs but for Venus the

difference shown is about 6 mins, shifting Venus from Taurus to Gemini.

> >

> > 06-Nov-1973, 00:25:20 Bangalore

> >

> > Regards,

> > Shekhar

[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha

 

Namaste

 

Ayanamsa is caused by rotation of Sun in Bha-chakra.

So it is like shifting of orbital plane of earth.

Since this is oscillatory in nature due to several factors,

equation for its computation must be nonlinear.

 

All bodies have elliptical motion which may approach circular when eccentricity

is very small. This is the main cause and other factors contribute very small

fractions. All such things are expanded in time series equation using Taylor's

method. To avoid several corrections, all are combined into one and we get that

equation as final. Since higher orders of T are neglected, equation remains good

untill T is small.

 

Regarding projection, It is already done when we calculate geocentric values.

This is nothing but projection of heliocentric longitude on earth's orbital

plane. Since this plane itself is changing due to various factors we can not

have a constant plane.

 

Do you mean that you first calculate geocentric values and then apply Jagannatha

Aynamsa by projecting geocentric longitude on a constant plane!

 

Please note that Universe is expanding and hence nothing is constant!

 

Thanks

 

Anil

 

PS: Making groups Public helps is RSS and online searching by

google etc. This is enabled by itself.

 

jhora , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> All ayanamsas use the sun-earth plane that is fluctuating with time. Because

all use the same plane at a given date and time (even though the plane keeps

changing from day to day), the only diffrence is the zero point. So all planets

are affected equally when you go from Lahiri to Raman or to some other ayanamsa.

>

> In Jagannatha ayanamsa, we are using a constant plane at all dates and times.

So the plane on which planets are projected on a given date is at a small angle

compared to the plane used in Lahiri and other ayanamsas. When you change the

plane of projection, different planets are changed by different amounts based on

the longitude and latitude. It is no longer a mere zero point change. It is a

change of zero point and plane.

>

> For any issues with vedic astrology , please contact

narayan.iyer or vedic astrology-owner For sohamsa issues,

please contact Pt Sanjay Rath or sohamsa-owner

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

>

> ---- aokedia <aokedia wrote:

> > Dear Narasimha

> >

> > Namaste

> >

> > How can Jagannatha ayanamsa change from planet to planet?

> > Once you find a value for given time, it will remain same for all bodies at

that time.

> >

> > Another request I wanted to make is

> > please make Vedic-astrology list and Jhora list PUBLIC as before.

> >

> > My mails are not appearing in Sohamsa. Can I post them here?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Anil

> >

> > jhora , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > Jagannatha ayanamsa is not just a zero point change, in which case a

difference of 3.5 sec in zero point would change all planets by 3.5 sec. It

fixes the 2-dimensional plane onto which planets are projected. In Lahiri, an

oscillating plane is taken. In Jagannatha ayanamsa, it is a constant plane

(Vishnunabhi plane, the plane in which Sun goes around Vishnunabhi in an

elliptical orbit). When you change the plane by a small angle, longitudes will

be affected nonlinearly, based on the longitudes and latitudes of planets. Thus,

longitudes of different planets will be modified by different amounts compared

to Lahiri ayanamsa.

> > >

> > > Some planets can definitely change by several minutes in some cases.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > > Spirituality:

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > >

> > > -

> > > Shekhar G Tover

> > > pvr@

> > > Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:58 PM

> > > JHora Calculations and big difference in position for

Jagannatha Ay

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimhaji,

> > >

> > > Please a a look at the difference that is shown when we switch

over from Lahiri to Jagannatha Ayanamsa in JHora.

> > >

> > > The Ayanamsa difference is about 3.5 secs but for Venus the

difference shown is about 6 mins, shifting Venus from Taurus to Gemini.

> > >

> > > 06-Nov-1973, 00:25:20 Bangalore

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Shekhar

>