Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Namaste, Someone forwarded me this mail from Pt Rath. Sometime back, some people pointed out inaccuracies in JHora's Kalachakra dasa calculations with apasavya nakshatras and I acknowledged it. What Pt Rath is saying below is also related to the same thing (Jyeshtha is an apasavya nakshatra). I confirm that I introduced a bug in other Kalachakra dasa methods when adding " Raghavacharya method " (the correct method in my view). I confirm that the " Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC conference) " given in JHora and a few previous methods indeed have errors in apasavya nakshatras. My apologies for it. I will correct it in the next few weeks and release a JHora update. Of course, if anybody wants to buy the commercial software suggested below by Pt Rath, they may go ahead and buy it. However, error in JHora's Kalachakra dasa WILL be corrected in the next few weeks. I am sending this mail to reassure those who do not want to buy commercial software and are concerned about the error. BTW, I do not recommend this Rao & Rath method at all. I will explain why. * * * Some Background on " Rao & Rath " Method This " Rao & Rath " method of Kalachakra dasa was discovered by me in a 1930 book authored in Telugu language by Sri Raghavacharya. I shared it with Pt Rath when he stayed at my house several years ago. Though I said I had not yet fully figured it out and wanted to work more on it, Pt Rath asked me to urgently write a paper on it for the upcoming SJC conference. I obliged and sent it to him. It was published under our two names and presented by Pt Rath at the conference. I worked further on this and later figured out Raghavacharya's actual teachings. I found them to be more logical than what I had [mis]understood before (and had mentioned to Sanjay and had written down for SJC conference). I added it to JHora as " Raghavacharya method " . Just as Vimsottari dasa is a nakshatra progression, Raghavacharya method is a navamsa progression. All other methods of Kalachakra dasa confuse antardasa tables taught by Parasara for mahadasa tables. Raghavacharya method given in JHora uses those tables for antardasas and takes mahadasas simply by counting 9 navamsas from janma navamsa (just as you take 9 nakshatras for Vimsottari dasa)! This is the most logical interpretation of Kalachakra dasa that I have ever seen. Sadly, there was a lot of confusion before I discovered this and there continues to be a lot of confusion even after the simple and beautiful philosophy is discovered, understood and shared on the internet. :-( I will soon write on my understanding of Kalachakra dasa on JyotishWritings . I personally do not recommend the " Rao & Rath " method. It was half-baked research that was hastily presented. I disown it and wish people did (and do) not have to waste their time on it. Nevertheless, I will support it in JHora and fix the error in apasavya nakshatras soon. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote: > > om gurave namah > > Dear Jyotishi > > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG. > > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from www.vedicsoftware.com > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi.... > > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in London > > Best wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > PS. I think I am going to hold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Dear PVNR-ji, Thank you for the clarification and your views. Regards Souvik jhora , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > Someone forwarded me this mail from Pt Rath. > > Sometime back, some people pointed out inaccuracies in JHora's Kalachakra dasa calculations with apasavya nakshatras and I acknowledged it. What Pt Rath is saying below is also related to the same thing (Jyeshtha is an apasavya nakshatra). > > I confirm that I introduced a bug in other Kalachakra dasa methods when adding " Raghavacharya method " (the correct method in my view). I confirm that the " Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC conference) " given in JHora and a few previous methods indeed have errors in apasavya nakshatras. My apologies for it. > > I will correct it in the next few weeks and release a JHora update. > > Of course, if anybody wants to buy the commercial software suggested below by Pt Rath, they may go ahead and buy it. However, error in JHora's Kalachakra dasa WILL be corrected in the next few weeks. I am sending this mail to reassure those who do not want to buy commercial software and are concerned about the error. > > BTW, I do not recommend this Rao & Rath method at all. I will explain why. > > * * * > > Some Background on " Rao & Rath " Method > > This " Rao & Rath " method of Kalachakra dasa was discovered by me in a 1930 book authored in Telugu language by Sri Raghavacharya. I shared it with Pt Rath when he stayed at my house several years ago. Though I said I had not yet fully figured it out and wanted to work more on it, Pt Rath asked me to urgently write a paper on it for the upcoming SJC conference. I obliged and sent it to him. It was published under our two names and presented by Pt Rath at the conference. > > I worked further on this and later figured out Raghavacharya's actual teachings. I found them to be more logical than what I had [mis]understood before (and had mentioned to Sanjay and had written down for SJC conference). > > I added it to JHora as " Raghavacharya method " . Just as Vimsottari dasa is a nakshatra progression, Raghavacharya method is a navamsa progression. All other methods of Kalachakra dasa confuse antardasa tables taught by Parasara for mahadasa tables. Raghavacharya method given in JHora uses those tables for antardasas and takes mahadasas simply by counting 9 navamsas from janma navamsa (just as you take 9 nakshatras for Vimsottari dasa)! This is the most logical interpretation of Kalachakra dasa that I have ever seen. Sadly, there was a lot of confusion before I discovered this and there continues to be a lot of confusion even after the simple and beautiful philosophy is discovered, understood and shared on the internet. :-( > > I will soon write on my understanding of Kalachakra dasa on JyotishWritings . > > I personally do not recommend the " Rao & Rath " method. It was half-baked research that was hastily presented. I disown it and wish people did (and do) not have to waste their time on it. Nevertheless, I will support it in JHora and fix the error in apasavya nakshatras soon. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote: > > > > om gurave namah > > > > Dear Jyotishi > > > > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG. > > > > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from www.vedicsoftware.com > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi.... > > > > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in London > > > > Best wishes > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > PS. I think I am going to hold > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 namaste Sri Narasimha Rao, May Lord Ganesh remove all obstacles from your path and grant you peace and prosperity is all things! Although not the scholar I believe you to be, I am a long-time student of Jyotish...and continue to be. IMHO, I would prefer that you remove any technique that is not a part of the teachings or has not been proven via extensive research than to have an unproven technique that would result in misguidance to those, like me, who are learning and providing guidance to others. namaste, David LaGrone Narasimha PVR Rao <pvrjhora ; JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 11:28:29 AM Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHoraNamaste,Someone forwarded me this mail from Pt Rath.Sometime back, some people pointed out inaccuracies in JHora's Kalachakra dasa calculations with apasavya nakshatras and I acknowledged it. What Pt Rath is saying below is also related to the same thing (Jyeshtha is an apasavya nakshatra).I confirm that I introduced a bug in other Kalachakra dasa methods when adding "Raghavacharya method" (the correct method in my view). I confirm that the "Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC conference)" given in JHora and a few previous methods indeed have errors in apasavya nakshatras. My apologies for it.I will correct it in the next few weeks and release a JHora update.Of course, if anybody wants to buy the commercial software suggested below by Pt Rath, they may go ahead and buy it. However, error in JHora's Kalachakra dasa WILL be corrected in the next few weeks. I am sending this mail to reassure those who do not want to buy commercial software and are concerned about the error.BTW, I do not recommend this Rao & Rath method at all. I will explain why.* * *Some Background on "Rao & Rath" MethodThis "Rao & Rath" method of Kalachakra dasa was discovered by me in a 1930 book authored in Telugu language by Sri Raghavacharya. I shared it with Pt Rath when he stayed at my house several years ago. Though I said I had not yet fully figured it out and wanted to work more on it, Pt Rath asked me to urgently write a paper on it for the upcoming SJC conference. I obliged and sent it to him. It was published under our two names and presented by Pt Rath at the conference.I worked further on this and later figured out Raghavacharya's actual teachings. I found them to be more logical than what I had [mis]understood before (and had mentioned to Sanjay and had written down for SJC conference).I added it to JHora as "Raghavacharya method". Just as Vimsottari dasa is a nakshatra progression, Raghavacharya method is a navamsa progression. All other methods of Kalachakra dasa confuse antardasa tables taught by Parasara for mahadasa tables. Raghavacharya method given in JHora uses those tables for antardasas and takes mahadasas simply by counting 9 navamsas from janma navamsa (just as you take 9 nakshatras for Vimsottari dasa)! This is the most logical interpretation of Kalachakra dasa that I have ever seen. Sadly, there was a lot of confusion before I discovered this and there continues to be a lot of confusion even after the simple and beautiful philosophy is discovered, understood and shared on the internet. :-(I will soon write on my understanding of Kalachakra dasa on JyotishWritings .I personally do not recommend the "Rao & Rath" method. It was half-baked research that was hastily presented. I disown it and wish people did (and do) not have to waste their time on it. Nevertheless, I will support it in JHora and fix the error in apasavya nakshatras soon.Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgJyotish writings: JyotishWritingsSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org--- In sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath wrote:>> om gurave namah> > Dear Jyotishi> > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG.> > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from www.vedicsoftware.com > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi....> > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in London> > Best wishes> > Sanjay Rath> > PS. I think I am going to hold--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009  Dear all, I cannot find any kalachakra dasa named `Rao & Rath' in jhora 7.33 version jk jhora [jhora ]On Behalf Of Narasimha PVR Rao03 November 2009 22:58jhora ; JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; Subject: Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora Namaste,Someone forwarded me this mail from Pt Rath.Sometime back, some people pointed out inaccuracies in JHora's Kalachakra dasa calculations with apasavya nakshatras and I acknowledged it. What Pt Rath is saying below is also related to the same thing (Jyeshtha is an apasavya nakshatra).I confirm that I introduced a bug in other Kalachakra dasa methods when adding "Raghavacharya method" (the correct method in my view). I confirm that the "Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC conference)" given in JHora and a few previous methods indeed have errors in apasavya nakshatras. My apologies for it.I will correct it in the next few weeks and release a JHora update.Of course, if anybody wants to buy the commercial software suggested below by Pt Rath, they may go ahead and buy it. However, error in JHora's Kalachakra dasa WILL be corrected in the next few weeks. I am sending this mail to reassure those who do not want to buy commercial software and are concerned about the error.BTW, I do not recommend this Rao & Rath method at all. I will explain why.* * *Some Background on "Rao & Rath" MethodThis "Rao & Rath" method of Kalachakra dasa was discovered by me in a 1930 book authored in Telugu language by Sri Raghavacharya. I shared it with Pt Rath when he stayed at my house several years ago. Though I said I had not yet fully figured it out and wanted to work more on it, Pt Rath asked me to urgently write a paper on it for the upcoming SJC conference. I obliged and sent it to him. It was published under our two names and presented by Pt Rath at the conference.I worked further on this and later figured out Raghavacharya's actual teachings. I found them to be more logical than what I had [mis]understood before (and had mentioned to Sanjay and had written down for SJC conference).I added it to JHora as "Raghavacharya method". Just as Vimsottari dasa is a nakshatra progression, Raghavacharya method is a navamsa progression. All other methods of Kalachakra dasa confuse antardasa tables taught by Parasara for mahadasa tables. Raghavacharya method given in JHora uses those tables for antardasas and takes mahadasas simply by counting 9 navamsas from janma navamsa (just as you take 9 nakshatras for Vimsottari dasa)! This is the most logical interpretation of Kalachakra dasa that I have ever seen. Sadly, there was a lot of confusion before I discovered this and there continues to be a lot of confusion even after the simple and beautiful philosophy is discovered, understood and shared on the internet. :-(I will soon write on my understanding of Kalachakra dasa on JyotishWritings .I personally do not recommend the "Rao & Rath" method. It was half-baked research that was hastily presented. I disown it and wish people did (and do) not have to waste their time on it. Nevertheless, I will support it in JHora and fix the error in apasavya nakshatras soon.Best regards,Narasimha-------------------------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgJyotish writings: JyotishWritingsSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org---------------------------- In sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath wrote:>> om gurave namah> > Dear Jyotishi> > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG.> > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from www.vedicsoftware.com > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi....> > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in London> > Best wishes> > Sanjay Rath> > PS. I think I am going to hold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Dear JK dada, Please go to option on display panel of default kalachakra dasa. You will get a window giving you option in three windows. One of them is method of calculation. In all it has six option/methods  that Pt Rath referred. With regards. RCS jhora [jhora ] On Behalf Of jk.dasgupta Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:56 AM jhora RE: Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora  Dear all, I cannot find any kalachakra dasa named `Rao & Rath' in jhora 7.33 version jk jhora [jhora ]On Behalf Of Narasimha PVR Rao 03 November 2009 22:58 jhora ; JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora Namaste, Someone forwarded me this mail from Pt Rath. Sometime back, some people pointed out inaccuracies in JHora's Kalachakra dasa calculations with apasavya nakshatras and I acknowledged it. What Pt Rath is saying below is also related to the same thing (Jyeshtha is an apasavya nakshatra). I confirm that I introduced a bug in other Kalachakra dasa methods when adding " Raghavacharya method " (the correct method in my view). I confirm that the " Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC conference) " given in JHora and a few previous methods indeed have errors in apasavya nakshatras. My apologies for it. I will correct it in the next few weeks and release a JHora update. Of course, if anybody wants to buy the commercial software suggested below by Pt Rath, they may go ahead and buy it. However, error in JHora's Kalachakra dasa WILL be corrected in the next few weeks. I am sending this mail to reassure those who do not want to buy commercial software and are concerned about the error. BTW, I do not recommend this Rao & Rath method at all. I will explain why. * * * Some Background on " Rao & Rath " Method This " Rao & Rath " method of Kalachakra dasa was discovered by me in a 1930 book authored in Telugu language by Sri Raghavacharya. I shared it with Pt Rath when he stayed at my house several years ago. Though I said I had not yet fully figured it out and wanted to work more on it, Pt Rath asked me to urgently write a paper on it for the upcoming SJC conference. I obliged and sent it to him. It was published under our two names and presented by Pt Rath at the conference. I worked further on this and later figured out Raghavacharya's actual teachings. I found them to be more logical than what I had [mis]understood before (and had mentioned to Sanjay and had written down for SJC conference). I added it to JHora as " Raghavacharya method " . Just as Vimsottari dasa is a nakshatra progression, Raghavacharya method is a navamsa progression. All other methods of Kalachakra dasa confuse antardasa tables taught by Parasara for mahadasa tables. Raghavacharya method given in JHora uses those tables for antardasas and takes mahadasas simply by counting 9 navamsas from janma navamsa (just as you take 9 nakshatras for Vimsottari dasa)! This is the most logical interpretation of Kalachakra dasa that I have ever seen. Sadly, there was a lot of confusion before I discovered this and there continues to be a lot of confusion even after the simple and beautiful philosophy is discovered, understood and shared on the internet. :-( I will soon write on my understanding of Kalachakra dasa on JyotishWritings . I personally do not recommend the " Rao & Rath " method. It was half-baked research that was hastily presented. I disown it and wish people did (and do) not have to waste their time on it. Nevertheless, I will support it in JHora and fix the error in apasavya nakshatras soon. Best regards, Narasimha ------------------------- Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ------------------------- sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote: > > om gurave namah > > Dear Jyotishi > > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG. > > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from www.vedicsoftware.com > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi.... > > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in London > > Best wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > PS. I think I am going to hold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 JyotishWritings , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: Namaste, Someone forwarded me this mail from Pt Rath. Sometime back, some people pointed out inaccuracies in JHora's Kalachakra dasa calculations with apasavya nakshatras and I acknowledged it. What Pt Rath is saying below is also related to the same thing (Jyeshtha is an apasavya nakshatra). I confirm that I introduced a bug in other Kalachakra dasa methods when adding " Raghavacharya method " (the correct method in my view). I confirm that the " Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC conference) " given in JHora and a few previous methods indeed have errors in apasavya nakshatras. My apologies for it. I will correct it in the next few weeks and release a JHora update. Of course, if anybody wants to buy the commercial software suggested below by Pt Rath, they may go ahead and buy it. However, error in JHora's Kalachakra dasa WILL be corrected in the next few weeks. I am sending this mail to reassure those who do not want to buy commercial software and are concerned about the error. BTW, I do not recommend this Rao & Rath method at all. I will explain why. * * * Some Background on " Rao & Rath " Method This " Rao & Rath " method of Kalachakra dasa was discovered by me in a 1930 book authored in Telugu language by Sri Raghavacharya. I shared it with Pt Rath when he stayed at my house several years ago. Though I said I had not yet fully figured it out and wanted to work more on it, Pt Rath asked me to urgently write a paper on it for the upcoming SJC conference. I obliged and sent it to him. It was published under our two names and presented by Pt Rath at the conference. I worked further on this and later figured out Raghavacharya's actual teachings. I found them to be more logical than what I had [mis]understood before (and had mentioned to Sanjay and had written down for SJC conference). I added it to JHora as " Raghavacharya method " . Just as Vimsottari dasa is a nakshatra progression, Raghavacharya method is a navamsa progression. All other methods of Kalachakra dasa confuse antardasa tables taught by Parasara for mahadasa tables. Raghavacharya method given in JHora uses those tables for antardasas and takes mahadasas simply by counting 9 navamsas from janma navamsa (just as you take 9 nakshatras for Vimsottari dasa)! This is the most logical interpretation of Kalachakra dasa that I have ever seen. Sadly, there was a lot of confusion before I discovered this and there continues to be a lot of confusion even after the simple and beautiful philosophy is discovered, understood and shared on the internet. :-( I will soon write on my understanding of Kalachakra dasa on JyotishWritings . I personally do not recommend the " Rao & Rath " method. It was half-baked research that was hastily presented. I disown it and wish people did (and do) not have to waste their time on it. Nevertheless, I will support it in JHora and fix the error in apasavya nakshatras soon. Best regards, Narasimha Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote: > > om gurave namah > > Dear Jyotishi > > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG. > > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from www.vedicsoftware.com > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi.... > > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in London > > Best wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > PS. I think I am going to hold --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 OM Guruve Namah Dear friends, I do not know the purpose of old mail forwarded here. Since it is here I wish to say, Kaal chakra dasa is one of he most controversial dasa.Rao & Rath method is also discarded one.If one goes through the writings / teachings of Dr Raman,Deewan Ramchand kapoor.Mr Chugh,R sanhamnam & KN.Rao ( all have written on KCD) ,As a student of astrology one will come across many interpretation basic for some issues. 1 Beginning of dasa 2 Calculation of balance of dasa 3 Movement of dasa within group / sub group of savya nakshatra, Apsavya nakshatra or in chakric order of dasa. PVR wrote tutorials long ago .He justified many events using his method.BTW Sanjay Rath uses method He taught in 2005 at London conference. From mail It apperas PVR ji is not aware of london teachings .To my understanding in PDF presented at serbia / london conferences itself it is mentioned that Naksatra pada iteration method should not be preferred. Since I am yet to workout examples by demo of Srijyoti , I can not comment on J hora options said to be correct/ incorrect.I follow Chugh method to calculate balance and working on Rath chakra method for dasa movement. Hope experienced members will enlighten with there experience , How they work out . with regards, OM TAT SAT R. C. SRIVASTAVA , " sreesog " <sreesog wrote: > > JyotishWritings , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > Namaste, > > Someone forwarded me this mail from Pt Rath. > > Sometime back, some people pointed out inaccuracies in JHora's Kalachakra dasa calculations with apasavya nakshatras and I acknowledged it. What Pt Rath is saying below is also related to the same thing (Jyeshtha is an apasavya nakshatra). > > I confirm that I introduced a bug in other Kalachakra dasa methods when adding " Raghavacharya method " (the correct method in my view). I confirm that the " Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC conference) " given in JHora and a few previous methods indeed have errors in apasavya nakshatras. My apologies for it. > > I will correct it in the next few weeks and release a JHora update. > > Of course, if anybody wants to buy the commercial software suggested below by Pt Rath, they may go ahead and buy it. However, error in JHora's Kalachakra dasa WILL be corrected in the next few weeks. I am sending this mail to reassure those who do not want to buy commercial software and are concerned about the error. > > BTW, I do not recommend this Rao & Rath method at all. I will explain why. > > * * * > > Some Background on " Rao & Rath " Method > > This " Rao & Rath " method of Kalachakra dasa was discovered by me in a 1930 book authored in Telugu language by Sri Raghavacharya. I shared it with Pt Rath when he stayed at my house several years ago. Though I said I had not yet fully figured it out and wanted to work more on it, Pt Rath asked me to urgently write a paper on it for the upcoming SJC conference. I obliged and sent it to him. It was published under our two names and presented by Pt Rath at the conference. > > I worked further on this and later figured out Raghavacharya's actual teachings. I found them to be more logical than what I had [mis]understood before (and had mentioned to Sanjay and had written down for SJC conference). > > I added it to JHora as " Raghavacharya method " . Just as Vimsottari dasa is a nakshatra progression, Raghavacharya method is a navamsa progression. All other methods of Kalachakra dasa confuse antardasa tables taught by Parasara for mahadasa tables. Raghavacharya method given in JHora uses those tables for antardasas and takes mahadasas simply by counting 9 navamsas from janma navamsa (just as you take 9 nakshatras for Vimsottari dasa)! This is the most logical interpretation of Kalachakra dasa that I have ever seen. Sadly, there was a lot of confusion before I discovered this and there continues to be a lot of confusion even after the simple and beautiful philosophy is discovered, understood and shared on the internet. :-( > > I will soon write on my understanding of Kalachakra dasa on JyotishWritings . > > I personally do not recommend the " Rao & Rath " method. It was half-baked research that was hastily presented. I disown it and wish people did (and do) not have to waste their time on it. Nevertheless, I will support it in JHora and fix the error in apasavya nakshatras soon. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote: > > > > om gurave namah > > > > Dear Jyotishi > > > > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG. > > > > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from www.vedicsoftware.com > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi.... > > > > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in London > > > > Best wishes > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > PS. I think I am going to hold > > --- End forwarded message --- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Dear sir, I have been waiting like others for update. While working on various options it occured to me, that Working of dasa Balance and sequense flow od dasa rasi as taught by MR chugh may also be made avaiable with the release of Next version/ patch. It will help many who wants to follow continuous chakra method. His method may be well known to your goodself yet ,as understood by me in nutshell is 1. The moon's Navamsa gives the balance at birth. 2. After completion of rasi sequence we come to next cycle. 3. Next cycle will begin with the first sign of next Parmayus row of signs but only in the same group of nakshatras.Here same group of nakshatra means` savya or apsavya . So dasa sequence will always revolve in only the same group Savya or Apsavya only. Hope it can be provided. With regards. RCS. jhora , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > Someone forwarded me this mail from Pt Rath. > > Sometime back, some people pointed out inaccuracies in JHora's Kalachakra dasa calculations with apasavya nakshatras and I acknowledged it. What Pt Rath is saying below is also related to the same thing (Jyeshtha is an apasavya nakshatra). > > I confirm that I introduced a bug in other Kalachakra dasa methods when adding " Raghavacharya method " (the correct method in my view). I confirm that the " Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC conference) " given in JHora and a few previous methods indeed have errors in apasavya nakshatras. My apologies for it. > > I will correct it in the next few weeks and release a JHora update. > > Of course, if anybody wants to buy the commercial software suggested below by Pt Rath, they may go ahead and buy it. However, error in JHora's Kalachakra dasa WILL be corrected in the next few weeks. I am sending this mail to reassure those who do not want to buy commercial software and are concerned about the error. > > BTW, I do not recommend this Rao & Rath method at all. I will explain why. > > * * * > > Some Background on " Rao & Rath " Method > > This " Rao & Rath " method of Kalachakra dasa was discovered by me in a 1930 book authored in Telugu language by Sri Raghavacharya. I shared it with Pt Rath when he stayed at my house several years ago. Though I said I had not yet fully figured it out and wanted to work more on it, Pt Rath asked me to urgently write a paper on it for the upcoming SJC conference. I obliged and sent it to him. It was published under our two names and presented by Pt Rath at the conference. > > I worked further on this and later figured out Raghavacharya's actual teachings. I found them to be more logical than what I had [mis]understood before (and had mentioned to Sanjay and had written down for SJC conference). > > I added it to JHora as " Raghavacharya method " . Just as Vimsottari dasa is a nakshatra progression, Raghavacharya method is a navamsa progression. All other methods of Kalachakra dasa confuse antardasa tables taught by Parasara for mahadasa tables. Raghavacharya method given in JHora uses those tables for antardasas and takes mahadasas simply by counting 9 navamsas from janma navamsa (just as you take 9 nakshatras for Vimsottari dasa)! This is the most logical interpretation of Kalachakra dasa that I have ever seen. Sadly, there was a lot of confusion before I discovered this and there continues to be a lot of confusion even after the simple and beautiful philosophy is discovered, understood and shared on the internet. :-( > > I will soon write on my understanding of Kalachakra dasa on JyotishWritings . > > I personally do not recommend the " Rao & Rath " method. It was half-baked research that was hastily presented. I disown it and wish people did (and do) not have to waste their time on it. Nevertheless, I will support it in JHora and fix the error in apasavya nakshatras soon. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote: > > > > om gurave namah > > > > Dear Jyotishi > > > > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG. > > > > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from www.vedicsoftware.com > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi.... > > > > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in London > > > > Best wishes > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > PS. I think I am going to hold > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Namaste friends, KCD calculation in JHora was broken earlier, but I fixed it in a previous release. But Pt Sanjay Rath complained (see below) that it was still wrong. I am preparing a JHora 7.4 release now. I wanted to fix Pt Rath's complaint and checked things. I discovered that JHora 7.33 is fine. If you select the " Rao & Rath " method of KCD with JHora 7.33, the calculations given by JHora match what was given in our combined paper. For Jyeshtha 4th quarter, JHora 7.33 is giving Sg, Sc, Li, Vi, Le, Cn, Ge, Ta and Ar. That is indeed what the paper gave. That also matches what Parasara taught in BPHS (chapter 46 verses 77-81). * * * > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-.... I am not sure why Pt Rath thinks that the sequence should be " Pi-Ar-.... " for Jyeshtha 4th pada. That is clearly inconsistent with Parasara's teachings as well as *our own* combined paper. In case Pt Rath changed the sequences given in our combined paper at the last minute (I was not there at the conference and he presented our combined paper alone), I have to point out that it is inconsistent with Parasara's teachings. * * * In both the nakshatra pada iteration method as well as other methods, please select " Rohini 4th pada is Leo navamsa " (instead of " Rohini 4th pada is Cancer navamsa " ) in Kalachakra dasa options if you want to match the dasa cycles taught by Parasara. With that setting, all Kalachakra dasa methods supported in JHora match the dasa cycles listed by Parasara for various nakshatra padas, except of course the Raghavacharya method. Dasa cycles of different nakshatra padas are the same between various methods and the difference between various methods is essentially in how dasa sesham is applied and how antardasas are found. Raghavacharya method is the only one that is philosophically different in the matter of dasa cycles itself. Raghavacharya method given in JHora takes dasas by taking nine navamsas starting from the navamsa occupied by Moon (or whatever reference is chosen). It uses the nine-sign-sequences mapped by Parasara to various nakshatra padas to actually find the *antardasa cycles* within various dasas. All other methods given in JHora map nakshatra padas to the fixed sequences listed by Parasara. Bottomline: There are no errors in JHora's KCD computation. Please note the setting mentioned above. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote: > > > > om gurave namah > > > > Dear Jyotishi > > > > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG. > > > > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from www.vedicsoftware.com > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi.... > > > > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in London > > > > Best wishes > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > PS. I think I am going to hold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Dear Narsimha ji, Divine has always blessed you to do wonderful service. You are aware of KCD Lecture at London from the mail . In case you have  Time and inclination  to offer calculation as Per these teachings to be a part of Jhora: CD on KCD are available From Bava. BTW PDF teachings  in this CD are dedicated to your good self by Guruji.  In case you offer his methodology The jyotish community will have  an option to try his teachings with free SW. With regards. RCS jhora [jhora ] On Behalf Of Narasimha PVR Rao Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:38 AM jhora ; JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; Re: Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora Namaste friends, KCD calculation in JHora was broken earlier, but I fixed it in a previous release. But Pt Sanjay Rath complained (see below) that it was still wrong. I am preparing a JHora 7.4 release now. I wanted to fix Pt Rath's complaint and checked things. I discovered that JHora 7.33 is fine. If you select the " Rao & Rath " method of KCD with JHora 7.33, the calculations given by JHora match what was given in our combined paper. For Jyeshtha 4th quarter, JHora 7.33 is giving Sg, Sc, Li, Vi, Le, Cn, Ge, Ta and Ar. That is indeed what the paper gave. That also matches what Parasara taught in BPHS (chapter 46 verses 77-81). * * * > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-.... I am not sure why Pt Rath thinks that the sequence should be " Pi-Ar-.... " for Jyeshtha 4th pada. That is clearly inconsistent with Parasara's teachings as well as *our own* combined paper. In case Pt Rath changed the sequences given in our combined paper at the last minute (I was not there at the conference and he presented our combined paper alone), I have to point out that it is inconsistent with Parasara's teachings. * * * In both the nakshatra pada iteration method as well as other methods, please select " Rohini 4th pada is Leo navamsa " (instead of " Rohini 4th pada is Cancer navamsa " ) in Kalachakra dasa options if you want to match the dasa cycles taught by Parasara. With that setting, all Kalachakra dasa methods supported in JHora match the dasa cycles listed by Parasara for various nakshatra padas, except of course the Raghavacharya method. Dasa cycles of different nakshatra padas are the same between various methods and the difference between various methods is essentially in how dasa sesham is applied and how antardasas are found. Raghavacharya method is the only one that is philosophically different in the matter of dasa cycles itself. Raghavacharya method given in JHora takes dasas by taking nine navamsas starting from the navamsa occupied by Moon (or whatever reference is chosen). It uses the nine-sign-sequences mapped by Parasara to various nakshatra padas to actually find the *antardasa cycles* within various dasas. All other methods given in JHora map nakshatra padas to the fixed sequences listed by Parasara. Bottomline: There are no errors in JHora's KCD computation. Please note the setting mentioned above. Best regards, Narasimha ------------------------- Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings ------------------------- > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote: > > > > om gurave namah > > > > Dear Jyotishi > > > > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG. > > > > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from www.vedicsoftware.com > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi.... > > > > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in London > > > > Best wishes > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > PS. I think I am going to hold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Namaste, > The jyotish community will have an option to try his teachings with free SW. If Pt Rath took Pi-Ar as the sequence for Jyeshtha 4, his teachings are WRONG. Period. Parasara is very clear that it should be Sg, Sc, Li, ... for Jyeshtha 4th pada. The challenge in KCD research is to figure out the details Parasara left ambiguous. It is not to alter what Parasara laid out clearly. We have enough confusions and there is no need to ADD NEWER CONFUSIONS. * * * I asked Pt Rath in Nov-Dec 2009 if what he taught at BAVA was different from what was given in our joint paper presented at SJC conference. He did not respond. I also said I could consider adding his new method to JHora if he (or someone else) could send me the definition in written form. BTW, I could not locate the CD on BAVA website, even if I were willing to buy the CD and listen. * * * The whole idea of nakshatra pada iteration was discovered by me from an old Telugu language book and shared with Sanjay ji when he visited my house in 2004. Parasara defined the dasa cycles for each nakshatra pada unambiguously, but the matter of antardasas is murky. The problem with existing KCD antardasa schemes is that they result in dasa-antardasa combinations or antardasa leaps not sanctioned by Lord Shiva, who taught to Parvati the results of each possible dasa-antardasa pair in savya and apasavya chakras! For example, dasa cycle of Aswini 2nd pada is " Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc, Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge " . If one takes antardasas in Li dasa in this cycle to be " Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge, [wrapping back] Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc " , then we have a leap (Ge->Cp) not mentioned by Shiva or Parasara. What some people do to avoid it is to NOT wrap back but move forward to the next dasa cycle corresponding to Aswini 3rd pada. So antardasas in Li dasa above will be " Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge, [moving ahead to the next dasa cycle of Aswini 3rd pada] Ta, Ar, Pi, Aq " . This ensures that there are no unsanctioned leaps, but this introduces mahadasa-antardasa pairs not covered by Shiva. It is also wrong. The idea I had after studying the detailed conversation between Shiva and Parvati reproduced in that Telugu book (conversation was in Sanskrit verses) was that antardasas are not obtained by shifting within the dasa cycle as people do and either wrap back to the beginning or skip to the next cycle, but by treating the dasa sign as a nakshatra pada and finding antardasas from the dasa cycle associated with that nakshatra pada! As you go one level down after another, you keep iterating like that. It is a simple and yet elegant idea, which ensures that there are no leaps or dasa-antardasa pairs that are not mentioned by Shiva. It also shows the logical structure behind the dasa cycles associated with nakshatra padas. Sanjay ji was excited when I presented the idea to him and he exclaimed that I had cracked it (he tends to jump to big conclusions very quickly). He asked me to write a paper in our combined names for the upcoming SJC conference in India. I told him that I still needed to figure out the apasavya nakshatra case, which was more tricky, but he did not want to wait. I hastily figured out apasavya nakshatra case also and sent him a paper, but it seems like he changed things later. Whatever I was doing was within the framework of cycles defined by Parasara. I deciphered the structure in it and defined antardasas so that they are based on the same structure and do not use leaps or dasa-antardasa pairs not mentioned by Shiva. I did NOT change any dasa sequences given by Parasara. On the other hand, Pt Rath seems to have missed the point that dasa sequences are non-negotiable and only antardasa orders are to be deduced. You can NOT go against Parasara's clear teachings and hope to be correct! I am very sorry to see that he took my idea, corrupted it to turn it against Parasara's teachings and ran with it and that some people want to invest their time on those wrong teachings. * * * But, as a free software programmer, I am willing to ADD his option to JHora (the current " Rao & Rath " method is based on our joint paper and has no errors. Any other method will have to be added newly). But I need to see exactly what he taught. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - ---- R C Srivastava <swami.rcs wrote: > Dear Narsimha ji, > > Divine has always blessed you to do wonderful service. > > You are aware of KCD Lecture at London from the mail . > > In case you have Time and inclination to offer calculation as Per these teachings to be a part of Jhora: CD on KCD are available From Bava. > > BTW PDF teachings in this CD are dedicated to your good self by Guruji. In case you offer his methodology The jyotish community will have > > an option to try his teachings with free SW. > > With regards. > > RCS > > jhora [jhora ] On Behalf Of Narasimha PVR Rao > Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:38 AM > jhora ; JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; > Re: Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora > > Namaste friends, > > KCD calculation in JHora was broken earlier, but I fixed it in a previous release. But Pt Sanjay Rath complained (see below) that it was still wrong. > > I am preparing a JHora 7.4 release now. I wanted to fix Pt Rath's complaint and checked things. I discovered that JHora 7.33 is fine. If you select the " Rao & Rath " method of KCD with JHora 7.33, the calculations given by JHora match what was given in our combined paper. > > For Jyeshtha 4th quarter, JHora 7.33 is giving Sg, Sc, Li, Vi, Le, Cn, Ge, Ta and Ar. That is indeed what the paper gave. That also matches what Parasara taught in BPHS (chapter 46 verses 77-81). > > * * * > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-.... > > I am not sure why Pt Rath thinks that the sequence should be " Pi-Ar-.... " for Jyeshtha 4th pada. That is clearly inconsistent with Parasara's teachings as well as *our own* combined paper. > > In case Pt Rath changed the sequences given in our combined paper at the last minute (I was not there at the conference and he presented our combined paper alone), I have to point out that it is inconsistent with Parasara's teachings. > > * * * > > In both the nakshatra pada iteration method as well as other methods, please select " Rohini 4th pada is Leo navamsa " (instead of " Rohini 4th pada is Cancer navamsa " ) in Kalachakra dasa options if you want to match the dasa cycles taught by Parasara. > > With that setting, all Kalachakra dasa methods supported in JHora match the dasa cycles listed by Parasara for various nakshatra padas, except of course the Raghavacharya method. > > Dasa cycles of different nakshatra padas are the same between various methods and the difference between various methods is essentially in how dasa sesham is applied and how antardasas are found. Raghavacharya method is the only one that is philosophically different in the matter of dasa cycles itself. > > Raghavacharya method given in JHora takes dasas by taking nine navamsas starting from the navamsa occupied by Moon (or whatever reference is chosen). It uses the nine-sign-sequences mapped by Parasara to various nakshatra padas to actually find the *antardasa cycles* within various dasas. > > All other methods given in JHora map nakshatra padas to the fixed sequences listed by Parasara. > > Bottomline: There are no errors in JHora's KCD computation. Please note the setting mentioned above. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------- > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Spirituality: > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > ------------------------- > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote: > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > > > > Dear Jyotishi > > > > > > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG. > > > > > > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from www.vedicsoftware.com > > > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi.... > > > > > > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in London > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > PS. I think I am going to hold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Dear Narasimha, Namaste, 1. If Pt Rath took Pi-Ar as the sequence for Jyeshtha 4, his teachings are WRONG. Period. Parasara is very clear that it should be Sg, Sc, Li, ... for Jyeshtha 4th pada. To the best of my knowledge, He did not teach as you quote/ assume. Page 11 OF his PDF of London/Serbia says dasa sequence same as Parasar  has mentioned. In fact Rsi Parasar has quoted “dasa sequence†, deha and jeeva for all savya and apsayva nakshatra.So this type of error is unlikely by any scholar.BTW how you  could get this information that he taught this sequence for jyeshta 4 th pada ? 2. The challenge in KCD research is to figure out the details Parasara left ambiguous. It is not to alter what Parasara laid out clearly. We have enough confusion and there is no need to ADD NEWER CONFUSIONS. Yes I agree .Many scholars have wasted lifetime in cracking the truth .Sorry no name here. Having different opinion is not adding confusion that’s why KCD tutorial from 2000 are on web and several options we have now in KCD. Are these not confusions?.        3. BTW, I could not locate the CD on BAVA website, even if I were willing to buy the CD and listen. I got it From Clare & Gordon Brennan 108 Thorpe Bay Essex SS1 3 HB   U.K. Tel 01702 582576.                3. The whole idea of nakshatra pada iteration was discovered by me from an old Telugu language book Yes many of us are aware, and perhaps whole astrological fraternity knows now, but act of Others does not reduce the contribution made by you. This information was earlier also was on web, Why a person of your caliber be obsessed to post again and again it , is beyond my understanding. 4. Whatever I was doing was within the framework of cycles defined by Parasara. I deciphered the structure in it and defined antardasas so that they are based on the same structure and do not use leaps or dasa-antardasa pairs not mentioned by Shiva. Evidently many methods of AD working are available.  Who can say with certainty which works unless experts have opined after application. It is difficult because most writing and researches are justification choosing sizeable example to fit taught principles rather than making reliable prediction. 5.  Any other method will have to be added newly. But I need to see exactly what he taught. I respect your opinion. Perhaps Pdt Rath does not want now his teachings to be outside SJC This may be a obstacle to astrologers outside. Since I started thread I Cease for I do not wish to be initiator of controversy.  He has not yet taught AD so calculations of J hora is fine as it is. With regards R.C.Srivastava jhora [jhora ] On Behalf Of Narasimha PVR Rao Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:46 AM jhora ; vedic astrology ; ; JyotishWritings RE: Re: Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora Namaste, > The jyotish community will have an option to try his teachings with free SW. If Pt Rath took Pi-Ar as the sequence for Jyeshtha 4, his teachings are WRONG. Period. Parasara is very clear that it should be Sg, Sc, Li, ... for Jyeshtha 4th pada. The challenge in KCD research is to figure out the details Parasara left ambiguous. It is not to alter what Parasara laid out clearly. We have enough confusions and there is no need to ADD NEWER CONFUSIONS. * * * I asked Pt Rath in Nov-Dec 2009 if what he taught at BAVA was different from what was given in our joint paper presented at SJC conference. He did not respond. I also said I could consider adding his new method to JHora if he (or someone else) could send me the definition in written form. BTW, I could not locate the CD on BAVA website, even if I were willing to buy the CD and listen. * * * The whole idea of nakshatra pada iteration was discovered by me from an old Telugu language book and shared with Sanjay ji when he visited my house in 2004. Parasara defined the dasa cycles for each nakshatra pada unambiguously, but the matter of antardasas is murky. The problem with existing KCD antardasa schemes is that they result in dasa-antardasa combinations or antardasa leaps not sanctioned by Lord Shiva, who taught to Parvati the results of each possible dasa-antardasa pair in savya and apasavya chakras! For example, dasa cycle of Aswini 2nd pada is " Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc, Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge " . If one takes antardasas in Li dasa in this cycle to be " Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge, [wrapping back] Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc " , then we have a leap (Ge->Cp) not mentioned by Shiva or Parasara. What some people do to avoid it is to NOT wrap back but move forward to the next dasa cycle corresponding to Aswini 3rd pada. So antardasas in Li dasa above will be " Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge, [moving ahead to the next dasa cycle of Aswini 3rd pada] Ta, Ar, Pi, Aq " . This ensures that there are no unsanctioned leaps, but this introduces mahadasa-antardasa pairs not covered by Shiva. It is also wrong. The idea I had after studying the detailed conversation between Shiva and Parvati reproduced in that Telugu book (conversation was in Sanskrit verses) was that antardasas are not obtained by shifting within the dasa cycle as people do and either wrap back to the beginning or skip to the next cycle, but by treating the dasa sign as a nakshatra pada and finding antardasas from the dasa cycle associated with that nakshatra pada! As you go one level down after another, you keep iterating like that. It is a simple and yet elegant idea, which ensures that there are no leaps or dasa-antardasa pairs that are not mentioned by Shiva. It also shows the logical structure behind the dasa cycles associated with nakshatra padas. Sanjay ji was excited when I presented the idea to him and he exclaimed that I had cracked it (he tends to jump to big conclusions very quickly). He asked me to write a paper in our combined names for the upcoming SJC conference in India. I told him that I still needed to figure out the apasavya nakshatra case, which was more tricky, but he did not want to wait. I hastily figured out apasavya nakshatra case also and sent him a paper, but it seems like he changed things later. Whatever I was doing was within the framework of cycles defined by Parasara. I deciphered the structure in it and defined antardasas so that they are based on the same structure and do not use leaps or dasa-antardasa pairs not mentioned by Shiva. I did NOT change any dasa sequences given by Parasara. On the other hand, Pt Rath seems to have missed the point that dasa sequences are non-negotiable and only antardasa orders are to be deduced. You can NOT go against Parasara's clear teachings and hope to be correct! I am very sorry to see that he took my idea, corrupted it to turn it against Parasara's teachings and ran with it and that some people want to invest their time on those wrong teachings. * * * But, as a free software programmer, I am willing to ADD his option to JHora (the current " Rao & Rath " method is based on our joint paper and has no errors. Any other method will have to be added newly). But I need to see exactly what he taught. Best regards, Narasimha ------------------------- Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings ------------------------- ---- R C Srivastava <swami.rcs wrote: > Dear Narsimha ji, > > Divine has always blessed you to do wonderful service. > > You are aware of KCD Lecture at London from the mail . > > In case you have Time and inclination to offer calculation as Per these teachings to be a part of Jhora: CD on KCD are available From Bava. > > BTW PDF teachings in this CD are dedicated to your good self by Guruji. In case you offer his methodology The jyotish community will have > > an option to try his teachings with free SW. > > With regards. > > RCS > > jhora [jhora ] On Behalf Of Narasimha PVR Rao > Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:38 AM > jhora ; JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; > Re: Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora > > Namaste friends, > > KCD calculation in JHora was broken earlier, but I fixed it in a previous release. But Pt Sanjay Rath complained (see below) that it was still wrong. > > I am preparing a JHora 7.4 release now. I wanted to fix Pt Rath's complaint and checked things. I discovered that JHora 7.33 is fine. If you select the " Rao & Rath " method of KCD with JHora 7.33, the calculations given by JHora match what was given in our combined paper. > > For Jyeshtha 4th quarter, JHora 7.33 is giving Sg, Sc, Li, Vi, Le, Cn, Ge, Ta and Ar. That is indeed what the paper gave. That also matches what Parasara taught in BPHS (chapter 46 verses 77-81). > > * * * > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-.... > > I am not sure why Pt Rath thinks that the sequence should be " Pi-Ar-.... " for Jyeshtha 4th pada. That is clearly inconsistent with Parasara's teachings as well as *our own* combined paper. > > In case Pt Rath changed the sequences given in our combined paper at the last minute (I was not there at the conference and he presented our combined paper alone), I have to point out that it is inconsistent with Parasara's teachings. > > * * * > > In both the nakshatra pada iteration method as well as other methods, please select " Rohini 4th pada is Leo navamsa " (instead of " Rohini 4th pada is Cancer navamsa " ) in Kalachakra dasa options if you want to match the dasa cycles taught by Parasara. > > With that setting, all Kalachakra dasa methods supported in JHora match the dasa cycles listed by Parasara for various nakshatra padas, except of course the Raghavacharya method. > > Dasa cycles of different nakshatra padas are the same between various methods and the difference between various methods is essentially in how dasa sesham is applied and how antardasas are found. Raghavacharya method is the only one that is philosophically different in the matter of dasa cycles itself. > > Raghavacharya method given in JHora takes dasas by taking nine navamsas starting from the navamsa occupied by Moon (or whatever reference is chosen). It uses the nine-sign-sequences mapped by Parasara to various nakshatra padas to actually find the *antardasa cycles* within various dasas. > > All other methods given in JHora map nakshatra padas to the fixed sequences listed by Parasara. > > Bottomline: There are no errors in JHora's KCD computation. Please note the setting mentioned above. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------- > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Spirituality: > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > ------------------------- > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote: > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > > > > Dear Jyotishi > > > > > > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG. > > > > > > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from www.vedicsoftware.com > > > > > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi.... > > > > > > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in London > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > PS. I think I am going to hold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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