Guest guest Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Dear Satish ji, Oh! Thanks. I thought since most of the discussion is centered on Jaimini and BPHS all this Karaka thing would be something related to them (which I am unaware off) Ok. By Karaka Yogas, you are referring to the exchange of significance between the planets in Kenadra to each other in exaltation or swakshetra - right? What is the special point under discussion about them? By the way I would like somebody start a discussion on Chara Karakas, as well since I would like to know more about the Chara karaka system used by Jaimini/BPHS. Love, Sreenadh , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Sreenadhji, > > I don't think the karaka yogas had reference to chara > karakas. It appeared that they are yogas of planets in > kendra position from each other. It is in > jatakabharanam. > > Satish > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Satish ji, > > There are some fundamental questions to be > > answered about before > > going to the detailed discussion about the > > application of Chara Karaka > > concept. > > 1) Whether it is applicable to only Relatives or to > > everything the > > zodiac (Signs and Houses) can signify? > > 2) If it is applicable to everything thing, then > > how the Chara Karas > > (Planets) are related to the zodiac (Signs and > > Houses)? > > There could be two possible strategies - > > a) Assigning a Chara Karaka (Significator) to > > every house (from 1 > > to 12): But the problem is there is only 7, 8 or 9 > > planets only. > > b) Assigning Chara Karakas to 2 houses each > > considering the > > corresponding Drishyardha-Adirshardha combinations. > > Starting from > > Lagna to 7th the 7 planets and the 12 houses can fit > > into this > > strategy in the best way. > > > > Now let us have a look back at the Chara Karaka > > assignment- > > > > Atmakaraka : Lagna > > Dhana Karaka : 2nd and 12th > > Bhratru Karaka : 3rd and 11th > > ....... > > ....... > > Kalatra Karaka : 7th > > > > Was it the original strategy, which later got > > corrupted due to > > interpolated slokas? Or is there any other approach > > to systematically > > understand the same? > > > > There are several questions to be answered? Hope > > that Pradeep ji and > > Chandrashekhar ji will have a look into this issue. > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > Currantly I have zero (0) knowledge on the same. > > > > > I will respond after others have a start on the > > same. Mean while let > > > me start learning what it is :=) > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Sreenadh, Chadrashekharji > > > > > > > > I wanted to know your take on Karaka yogas. I > > beleive > > > > they are yogas when planets are in kendra > > postision > > > > from each other. Explanation as to how to use > > them > > > > will be helpful > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ ______________ > > > > You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with > > AutoCheck > > > > in the all-new Mail Beta. > > > > > > > http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_html.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _______________ > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. > http://searchmarketing./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2007 Report Share Posted June 24, 2007 Thanks Charashekharji and sreenadhji, The question is how does this exchage work ? Both planets exchage significations or are there any special rules ? Satish --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear Satish ji, > Oh! Thanks. I thought since most of the discussion > is centered on > Jaimini and BPHS all this Karaka thing would be > something related to > them (which I am unaware off) > Ok. By Karaka Yogas, you are referring to the > exchange of > significance between the planets in Kenadra to each > other in > exaltation or swakshetra - right? What is the > special point under > discussion about them? > By the way I would like somebody start a discussion > on Chara > Karakas, as well since I would like to know more > about the Chara > karaka system used by Jaimini/BPHS. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , SPK > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > Sreenadhji, > > > > I don't think the karaka yogas had reference to > chara > > karakas. It appeared that they are yogas of > planets in > > kendra position from each other. It is in > > jatakabharanam. > > > > Satish > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > There are some fundamental questions to be > > > answered about before > > > going to the detailed discussion about the > > > application of Chara Karaka > > > concept. > > > 1) Whether it is applicable to only Relatives > or to > > > everything the > > > zodiac (Signs and Houses) can signify? > > > 2) If it is applicable to everything thing, > then > > > how the Chara Karas > > > (Planets) are related to the zodiac (Signs and > > > Houses)? > > > There could be two possible strategies - > > > a) Assigning a Chara Karaka (Significator) > to > > > every house (from 1 > > > to 12): But the problem is there is only 7, 8 or > 9 > > > planets only. > > > b) Assigning Chara Karakas to 2 houses each > > > considering the > > > corresponding Drishyardha-Adirshardha > combinations. > > > Starting from > > > Lagna to 7th the 7 planets and the 12 houses can > fit > > > into this > > > strategy in the best way. > > > > > > Now let us have a look back at the Chara Karaka > > > assignment- > > > > > > Atmakaraka : Lagna > > > Dhana Karaka : 2nd and 12th > > > Bhratru Karaka : 3rd and 11th > > > ....... > > > ....... > > > Kalatra Karaka : 7th > > > > > > Was it the original strategy, which later got > > > corrupted due to > > > interpolated slokas? Or is there any other > approach > > > to systematically > > > understand the same? > > > > > > There are several questions to be answered? > Hope > > > that Pradeep ji and > > > Chandrashekhar ji will have a look into this > issue. > > > > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > Currantly I have zero (0) knowledge on the > same. > > > > > > > I will respond after others have a start on > the > > > same. Mean while let > > > > me start learning what it is :=) > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Sreenadh, Chadrashekharji > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to know your take on Karaka yogas. > I > > > beleive > > > > > they are yogas when planets are in kendra > > > postision > > > > > from each other. Explanation as to how to > use > > > them > > > > > will be helpful > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > ______________ > > > > > You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with > > > AutoCheck > > > > > in the all-new Mail Beta. > > > > > > > > > > > http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_html.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > _______________ > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you > sell. > > http://searchmarketing./ > > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Dear Satish ji Hope Chandrashekhar ji and shri Sreenadh will clarify more. My understanding is a)1/4/10 - Planets in these positions will act as mutual karakas if they are also in swa/ucha/mul b)Planets in the 4th and 10th(even if not in swa/ucha etc) can act as karaka to the planet in Lagna(should be in own/exalt/mul).But the one in lagna cannot act as karaka for the former. c)Even if not in Lagna kendras,planets can act as mutual karakas ,if they are in mutual kendras and also in swa/ucha/exalt. Basically sthana bala of planet is important and mutual disposition.But point b is intersting.Perhaps some one can throw more light or correct. Pradeep , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Thanks Charashekharji and sreenadhji, > > The question is how does this exchage work ? Both > planets exchage significations or are there any > special rules ? > > Satish > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Satish ji, > > Oh! Thanks. I thought since most of the discussion > > is centered on > > Jaimini and BPHS all this Karaka thing would be > > something related to > > them (which I am unaware off) > > Ok. By Karaka Yogas, you are referring to the > > exchange of > > significance between the planets in Kenadra to each > > other in > > exaltation or swakshetra - right? What is the > > special point under > > discussion about them? > > By the way I would like somebody start a discussion > > on Chara > > Karakas, as well since I would like to know more > > about the Chara > > karaka system used by Jaimini/BPHS. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > , SPK > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > Sreenadhji, > > > > > > I don't think the karaka yogas had reference to > > chara > > > karakas. It appeared that they are yogas of > > planets in > > > kendra position from each other. It is in > > > jatakabharanam. > > > > > > Satish > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > There are some fundamental questions to be > > > > answered about before > > > > going to the detailed discussion about the > > > > application of Chara Karaka > > > > concept. > > > > 1) Whether it is applicable to only Relatives > > or to > > > > everything the > > > > zodiac (Signs and Houses) can signify? > > > > 2) If it is applicable to everything thing, > > then > > > > how the Chara Karas > > > > (Planets) are related to the zodiac (Signs and > > > > Houses)? > > > > There could be two possible strategies - > > > > a) Assigning a Chara Karaka (Significator) > > to > > > > every house (from 1 > > > > to 12): But the problem is there is only 7, 8 or > > 9 > > > > planets only. > > > > b) Assigning Chara Karakas to 2 houses each > > > > considering the > > > > corresponding Drishyardha-Adirshardha > > combinations. > > > > Starting from > > > > Lagna to 7th the 7 planets and the 12 houses can > > fit > > > > into this > > > > strategy in the best way. > > > > > > > > Now let us have a look back at the Chara Karaka > > > > assignment- > > > > > > > > Atmakaraka : Lagna > > > > Dhana Karaka : 2nd and 12th > > > > Bhratru Karaka : 3rd and 11th > > > > ....... > > > > ....... > > > > Kalatra Karaka : 7th > > > > > > > > Was it the original strategy, which later got > > > > corrupted due to > > > > interpolated slokas? Or is there any other > > approach > > > > to systematically > > > > understand the same? > > > > > > > > There are several questions to be answered? > > Hope > > > > that Pradeep ji and > > > > Chandrashekhar ji will have a look into this > > issue. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > Currantly I have zero (0) knowledge on the > > same. > > > > > > > > > I will respond after others have a start on > > the > > > > same. Mean while let > > > > > me start learning what it is :=) > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > , SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Sreenadh, Chadrashekharji > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to know your take on Karaka yogas. > > I > > > > beleive > > > > > > they are yogas when planets are in kendra > > > > postision > > > > > > from each other. Explanation as to how to > > use > > > > them > > > > > > will be helpful > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > ______________ > > > > > > You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with > > > > AutoCheck > > > > > > in the all-new Mail Beta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_html.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ > > _______________ > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you > > sell. > > > http://searchmarketing./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _______________ > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Answers - Check it out. > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Dear Satish, I have not read about exchange being equated to Paraspara Karaka. I have already explained about the Paraspara karaka concept in earlier mail. Chandrashekhar. SPK wrote: > > Thanks Charashekharji and sreenadhji, > > The question is how does this exchage work ? Both > planets exchage significations or are there any > special rules ? > > Satish > --- Sreenadh <sreesog <sreesog%40>> wrote: > > > Dear Satish ji, > > Oh! Thanks. I thought since most of the discussion > > is centered on > > Jaimini and BPHS all this Karaka thing would be > > something related to > > them (which I am unaware off) > > Ok. By Karaka Yogas, you are referring to the > > exchange of > > significance between the planets in Kenadra to each > > other in > > exaltation or swakshetra - right? What is the > > special point under > > discussion about them? > > By the way I would like somebody start a discussion > > on Chara > > Karakas, as well since I would like to know more > > about the Chara > > karaka system used by Jaimini/BPHS. > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > > > Sreenadhji, > > > > > > I don't think the karaka yogas had reference to > > chara > > > karakas. It appeared that they are yogas of > > planets in > > > kendra position from each other. It is in > > > jatakabharanam. > > > > > > Satish > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > There are some fundamental questions to be > > > > answered about before > > > > going to the detailed discussion about the > > > > application of Chara Karaka > > > > concept. > > > > 1) Whether it is applicable to only Relatives > > or to > > > > everything the > > > > zodiac (Signs and Houses) can signify? > > > > 2) If it is applicable to everything thing, > > then > > > > how the Chara Karas > > > > (Planets) are related to the zodiac (Signs and > > > > Houses)? > > > > There could be two possible strategies - > > > > a) Assigning a Chara Karaka (Significator) > > to > > > > every house (from 1 > > > > to 12): But the problem is there is only 7, 8 or > > 9 > > > > planets only. > > > > b) Assigning Chara Karakas to 2 houses each > > > > considering the > > > > corresponding Drishyardha-Adirshardha > > combinations. > > > > Starting from > > > > Lagna to 7th the 7 planets and the 12 houses can > > fit > > > > into this > > > > strategy in the best way. > > > > > > > > Now let us have a look back at the Chara Karaka > > > > assignment- > > > > > > > > Atmakaraka : Lagna > > > > Dhana Karaka : 2nd and 12th > > > > Bhratru Karaka : 3rd and 11th > > > > ....... > > > > ....... > > > > Kalatra Karaka : 7th > > > > > > > > Was it the original strategy, which later got > > > > corrupted due to > > > > interpolated slokas? Or is there any other > > approach > > > > to systematically > > > > understand the same? > > > > > > > > There are several questions to be answered? > > Hope > > > > that Pradeep ji and > > > > Chandrashekhar ji will have a look into this > > issue. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > <%40>, " Sreenadh " > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > Currantly I have zero (0) knowledge on the > > same. > > > > > > > > > I will respond after others have a start on > > the > > > > same. Mean while let > > > > > me start learning what it is :=) > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Sreenadh, Chadrashekharji > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to know your take on Karaka yogas. > > I > > > > beleive > > > > > > they are yogas when planets are in kendra > > > > postision > > > > > > from each other. Explanation as to how to > > use > > > > them > > > > > > will be helpful > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > ______________ > > > > > > You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with > > > > AutoCheck > > > > > > in the all-new Mail Beta. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_html.html > <http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_html.html> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > _______________ > > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you > > sell. > > > http://searchmarketing./ <http://searchmarketing./> > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who > knows. Answers - Check it out. > http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469 > <http://answers./dir/?link=list & sid=396545469> > > > ------ > > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/865 - Release 6/24/2007 8:33 AM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2007 Report Share Posted June 25, 2007 Chadrashekharji, By exchange , I mean planets in kendra from each other ( Should also be posited in kendra, not just relative kendra position) will be paraspar karakas or exchange or transfer significations. So a planet in 4th can be karaka or give results for planet in 7. Is this how it works ? Satish --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > Dear Satish, > > I have not read about exchange being equated to > Paraspara Karaka. I have > already explained about the Paraspara karaka concept > in earlier mail. > > Chandrashekhar. > > SPK wrote: > > > > Thanks Charashekharji and sreenadhji, > > > > The question is how does this exchage work ? Both > > planets exchage significations or are there any > > special rules ? > > > > Satish > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog > <sreesog%40>> wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > Oh! Thanks. I thought since most of the > discussion > > > is centered on > > > Jaimini and BPHS all this Karaka thing would be > > > something related to > > > them (which I am unaware off) > > > Ok. By Karaka Yogas, you are referring to the > > > exchange of > > > significance between the planets in Kenadra to > each > > > other in > > > exaltation or swakshetra - right? What is the > > > special point under > > > discussion about them? > > > By the way I would like somebody start a > discussion > > > on Chara > > > Karakas, as well since I would like to know more > > > about the Chara > > > karaka system used by Jaimini/BPHS. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > > > > > Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > I don't think the karaka yogas had reference > to > > > chara > > > > karakas. It appeared that they are yogas of > > > planets in > > > > kendra position from each other. It is in > > > > jatakabharanam. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > There are some fundamental questions to be > > > > > answered about before > > > > > going to the detailed discussion about the > > > > > application of Chara Karaka > > > > > concept. > > > > > 1) Whether it is applicable to only > Relatives > > > or to > > > > > everything the > > > > > zodiac (Signs and Houses) can signify? > > > > > 2) If it is applicable to everything thing, > > > then > > > > > how the Chara Karas > > > > > (Planets) are related to the zodiac (Signs > and > > > > > Houses)? > > > > > There could be two possible strategies - > > > > > a) Assigning a Chara Karaka (Significator) > > > to > > > > > every house (from 1 > > > > > to 12): But the problem is there is only 7, > 8 or > > > 9 > > > > > planets only. > > > > > b) Assigning Chara Karakas to 2 houses each > > > > > considering the > > > > > corresponding Drishyardha-Adirshardha > > > combinations. > > > > > Starting from > > > > > Lagna to 7th the 7 planets and the 12 houses > can > > > fit > > > > > into this > > > > > strategy in the best way. > > > > > > > > > > Now let us have a look back at the Chara > Karaka > > > > > assignment- > > > > > > > > > > Atmakaraka : Lagna > > > > > Dhana Karaka : 2nd and 12th > > > > > Bhratru Karaka : 3rd and 11th > > > > > ....... > > > > > ....... > > > > > Kalatra Karaka : 7th > > > > > > > > > > Was it the original strategy, which later > got > > > > > corrupted due to > > > > > interpolated slokas? Or is there any other > > > approach > > > > > to systematically > > > > > understand the same? > > > > > > > > > > There are several questions to be answered? > > > Hope > > > > > that Pradeep ji and > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji will have a look into this > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > " Sreenadh " > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > > Currantly I have zero (0) knowledge on the > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > I will respond after others have a start > on > > > the > > > > > same. Mean while let > > > > > > me start learning what it is :=) > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Sreenadh, Chadrashekharji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to know your take on Karaka > yogas. > > > I > > > > > beleive > > > > > > > they are yogas when planets are in > kendra > > > > > postision > > > > > > > from each other. Explanation as to how > to > > > use > > > > > them > > > > > > > will be helpful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > ______________ > > > > > > > You snooze, you lose. 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Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Dear Satish ji, 'Paraspara' means 'Mutual'. 'Karakatwa' means 'Significance'. Simply 'Paraspara Karakatwa' refers to 'Mutual Exchange of Significance'. This happens when the planets are in Kendra to each other, as well as when both of them are in their Swakshetra or sign of Exaltation. So don't worry. Your understanding is OK. Love, Sreenadh , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > Dear Satish, > > I have not read about exchange being equated to Paraspara Karaka. I have > already explained about the Paraspara karaka concept in earlier mail. > > Chandrashekhar. > > SPK wrote: > > > > Thanks Charashekharji and sreenadhji, > > > > The question is how does this exchage work ? Both > > planets exchage significations or are there any > > special rules ? > > > > Satish > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog <sreesog%40>> wrote: > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > Oh! Thanks. I thought since most of the discussion > > > is centered on > > > Jaimini and BPHS all this Karaka thing would be > > > something related to > > > them (which I am unaware off) > > > Ok. By Karaka Yogas, you are referring to the > > > exchange of > > > significance between the planets in Kenadra to each > > > other in > > > exaltation or swakshetra - right? What is the > > > special point under > > > discussion about them? > > > By the way I would like somebody start a discussion > > > on Chara > > > Karakas, as well since I would like to know more > > > about the Chara > > > karaka system used by Jaimini/BPHS. > > > Love, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > I don't think the karaka yogas had reference to > > > chara > > > > karakas. It appeared that they are yogas of > > > planets in > > > > kendra position from each other. It is in > > > > jatakabharanam. > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > There are some fundamental questions to be > > > > > answered about before > > > > > going to the detailed discussion about the > > > > > application of Chara Karaka > > > > > concept. > > > > > 1) Whether it is applicable to only Relatives > > > or to > > > > > everything the > > > > > zodiac (Signs and Houses) can signify? > > > > > 2) If it is applicable to everything thing, > > > then > > > > > how the Chara Karas > > > > > (Planets) are related to the zodiac (Signs and > > > > > Houses)? > > > > > There could be two possible strategies - > > > > > a) Assigning a Chara Karaka (Significator) > > > to > > > > > every house (from 1 > > > > > to 12): But the problem is there is only 7, 8 or > > > 9 > > > > > planets only. > > > > > b) Assigning Chara Karakas to 2 houses each > > > > > considering the > > > > > corresponding Drishyardha-Adirshardha > > > combinations. > > > > > Starting from > > > > > Lagna to 7th the 7 planets and the 12 houses can > > > fit > > > > > into this > > > > > strategy in the best way. > > > > > > > > > > Now let us have a look back at the Chara Karaka > > > > > assignment- > > > > > > > > > > Atmakaraka : Lagna > > > > > Dhana Karaka : 2nd and 12th > > > > > Bhratru Karaka : 3rd and 11th > > > > > ....... > > > > > ....... > > > > > Kalatra Karaka : 7th > > > > > > > > > > Was it the original strategy, which later got > > > > > corrupted due to > > > > > interpolated slokas? Or is there any other > > > approach > > > > > to systematically > > > > > understand the same? > > > > > > > > > > There are several questions to be answered? > > > Hope > > > > > that Pradeep ji and > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji will have a look into this > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, " Sreenadh " > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > > Currantly I have zero (0) knowledge on the > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > I will respond after others have a start on > > > the > > > > > same. Mean while let > > > > > > me start learning what it is :=) > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Sreenadh, Chadrashekharji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to know your take on Karaka yogas. > > > I > > > > > beleive > > > > > > > they are yogas when planets are in kendra > > > > > postision > > > > > > > from each other. Explanation as to how to > > > use > > > > > them > > > > > > > will be helpful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > ______________ > > > > > > > You snooze, you lose. 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Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Thanks Sreenadhji, Exchange of significations: Does this mean a planet A will give planet B results if he is in kedra position to it in planet As dasha. Also does this apply to all kendra positions 1-7 4-10 from each other. Aslo is it strictly applicable if the planets in kendra position to each other are aslo occupying kendras. ( So in this scenario, planet in 6th house and 9th house, althogh in kendra position from each other are not in kendras). Is there any rule who is the boss. i.e. planet in 4th place may be subordinate to planet in 10th position and so on. What happens in 1-7 relationship? Thanks Satish --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear Satish ji, > 'Paraspara' means 'Mutual'. > 'Karakatwa' means 'Significance'. > > Simply 'Paraspara Karakatwa' refers to 'Mutual > Exchange of > Significance'. > > This happens when the planets are in Kendra to each > other, as well as > when both of them are in their Swakshetra or sign of > Exaltation. > > So don't worry. Your understanding is OK. > > Love, > Sreenadh > > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46 wrote: > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > I have not read about exchange being equated to > Paraspara Karaka. I > have > > already explained about the Paraspara karaka > concept in earlier > mail. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > SPK wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Charashekharji and sreenadhji, > > > > > > The question is how does this exchage work ? > Both > > > planets exchage significations or are there any > > > special rules ? > > > > > > Satish > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog > <sreesog%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > Oh! Thanks. I thought since most of the > discussion > > > > is centered on > > > > Jaimini and BPHS all this Karaka thing would > be > > > > something related to > > > > them (which I am unaware off) > > > > Ok. By Karaka Yogas, you are referring to the > > > > exchange of > > > > significance between the planets in Kenadra to > each > > > > other in > > > > exaltation or swakshetra - right? What is the > > > > special point under > > > > discussion about them? > > > > By the way I would like somebody start a > discussion > > > > on Chara > > > > Karakas, as well since I would like to know > more > > > > about the Chara > > > > karaka system used by Jaimini/BPHS. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > > > I don't think the karaka yogas had reference > to > > > > chara > > > > > karakas. It appeared that they are yogas of > > > > planets in > > > > > kendra position from each other. It is in > > > > > jatakabharanam. > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > > There are some fundamental questions to be > > > > > > answered about before > > > > > > going to the detailed discussion about the > > > > > > application of Chara Karaka > > > > > > concept. > > > > > > 1) Whether it is applicable to only > Relatives > > > > or to > > > > > > everything the > > > > > > zodiac (Signs and Houses) can signify? > > > > > > 2) If it is applicable to everything > thing, > > > > then > > > > > > how the Chara Karas > > > > > > (Planets) are related to the zodiac (Signs > and > > > > > > Houses)? > > > > > > There could be two possible strategies - > > > > > > a) Assigning a Chara Karaka (Significator) > > > > to > > > > > > every house (from 1 > > > > > > to 12): But the problem is there is only > 7, 8 or > > > > 9 > > > > > > planets only. > > > > > > b) Assigning Chara Karakas to 2 houses > each > > > > > > considering the > > > > > > corresponding Drishyardha-Adirshardha > > > > combinations. > > > > > > Starting from > > > > > > Lagna to 7th the 7 planets and the 12 > houses can > > > > fit > > > > > > into this > > > > > > strategy in the best way. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us have a look back at the Chara > Karaka > > > > > > assignment- > > > > > > > > > > > > Atmakaraka : Lagna > > > > > > Dhana Karaka : 2nd and 12th > > > > > > Bhratru Karaka : 3rd and 11th > > > > > > ....... > > > > > > ....... > > > > > > Kalatra Karaka : 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > Was it the original strategy, which later > got > > > > > > corrupted due to > > > > > > interpolated slokas? Or is there any other > > > > approach > > > > > > to systematically > > > > > > understand the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several questions to be > answered? > > > > Hope > > > > > > that Pradeep ji and > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji will have a look into > this > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > " Sreenadh " > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > > > Currantly I have zero (0) knowledge on > the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will respond after others have a start > on > > > > the > > > > > > same. Mean while let > > > > > > > me start learning what it is :=) > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Sreenadh, Chadrashekharji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to know your take on Karaka > yogas. > > > > I > > > > > > beleive > > > > > > > > they are yogas when planets are in > kendra > > > > > > postision > > > > > > > > from each other. Explanation as to how > to > > > > use > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > will be helpful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/mail/index.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Dear Satish, I think it is more like the dasha/ or transit (if squaring the 7th) of planet in 4th being able to deliver the results of the planet in the 7th. They become mutual helpers is what is meant by Paraspara karaka. I hope, my meaning is clear now. Chandrashekhar. SPK wrote: > > Chadrashekharji, > > By exchange , I mean planets in kendra from each other > ( Should also be posited in kendra, not just relative > kendra position) will be paraspar karakas or exchange > or transfer significations. So a planet in 4th can be > karaka or give results for planet in 7. Is this how it > works ? > > Satish > --- Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 > <chandrashekhar46%40.co.uk>> > wrote: > > > Dear Satish, > > > > I have not read about exchange being equated to > > Paraspara Karaka. I have > > already explained about the Paraspara karaka concept > > in earlier mail. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > SPK wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Charashekharji and sreenadhji, > > > > > > The question is how does this exchage work ? Both > > > planets exchage significations or are there any > > > special rules ? > > > > > > Satish > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog <sreesog%40> > > <sreesog%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > Oh! Thanks. I thought since most of the > > discussion > > > > is centered on > > > > Jaimini and BPHS all this Karaka thing would be > > > > something related to > > > > them (which I am unaware off) > > > > Ok. By Karaka Yogas, you are referring to the > > > > exchange of > > > > significance between the planets in Kenadra to > > each > > > > other in > > > > exaltation or swakshetra - right? What is the > > > > special point under > > > > discussion about them? > > > > By the way I would like somebody start a > > discussion > > > > on Chara > > > > Karakas, as well since I would like to know more > > > > about the Chara > > > > karaka system used by Jaimini/BPHS. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > <aquaris_rising wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > > > I don't think the karaka yogas had reference > > to > > > > chara > > > > > karakas. It appeared that they are yogas of > > > > planets in > > > > > kendra position from each other. It is in > > > > > jatakabharanam. > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > > There are some fundamental questions to be > > > > > > answered about before > > > > > > going to the detailed discussion about the > > > > > > application of Chara Karaka > > > > > > concept. > > > > > > 1) Whether it is applicable to only > > Relatives > > > > or to > > > > > > everything the > > > > > > zodiac (Signs and Houses) can signify? > > > > > > 2) If it is applicable to everything thing, > > > > then > > > > > > how the Chara Karas > > > > > > (Planets) are related to the zodiac (Signs > > and > > > > > > Houses)? > > > > > > There could be two possible strategies - > > > > > > a) Assigning a Chara Karaka (Significator) > > > > to > > > > > > every house (from 1 > > > > > > to 12): But the problem is there is only 7, > > 8 or > > > > 9 > > > > > > planets only. > > > > > > b) Assigning Chara Karakas to 2 houses each > > > > > > considering the > > > > > > corresponding Drishyardha-Adirshardha > > > > combinations. > > > > > > Starting from > > > > > > Lagna to 7th the 7 planets and the 12 houses > > can > > > > fit > > > > > > into this > > > > > > strategy in the best way. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us have a look back at the Chara > > Karaka > > > > > > assignment- > > > > > > > > > > > > Atmakaraka : Lagna > > > > > > Dhana Karaka : 2nd and 12th > > > > > > Bhratru Karaka : 3rd and 11th > > > > > > ....... > > > > > > ....... > > > > > > Kalatra Karaka : 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > Was it the original strategy, which later > > got > > > > > > corrupted due to > > > > > > interpolated slokas? Or is there any other > > > > approach > > > > > > to systematically > > > > > > understand the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several questions to be answered? > > > > Hope > > > > > > that Pradeep ji and > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji will have a look into this > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, > > " Sreenadh " > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > > > Currantly I have zero (0) knowledge on the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will respond after others have a start > > on > > > > the > > > > > > same. Mean while let > > > > > > > me start learning what it is :=) > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40> > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Sreenadh, Chadrashekharji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to know your take on Karaka > > yogas. > > > > I > > > > > > beleive > > > > > > > > they are yogas when planets are in > > kendra > > > > > > postision > > > > > > > > from each other. Explanation as to how > > to > > > > use > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > will be helpful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > ______________ > > > > > > > > You snooze, you lose. 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Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Dear Satish ji, * Does this mean a planet A will give planet B results if he is in kedra position to it in planet As dasha : Yes. [Remember here 'Kendra' the planets are Kendra to each other and not the 'Lagna Kendra'] * Also does this apply to all kendra positions 1-7 4-10 from each other: Yes. * Also is it strictly applicable if the planets in kendra position to each other are aslo occupying kendras: 'Exchange of Significance' (Paraspara Karakatwa) has nothing to do with Kendra of Lagna. The point is that the planets should Kendra to each other (1-4-7-10 from each other) for this to happen. But even if the 'exchange of significance' happens for the native to get the benefits of the combination, at least one of the planets should be in good position (i.e. Susthana: 1-2-4-7-9-10-11) ==> > Is there any rule who is the boss. i.e. planet in 4th > place may be subordinate to planet in 10th position > and so on. <== In 'Exchange' there is no boss. ==> What happens in 1-7 relationship? <== Exchange of significance. What significance? Depends on the planets involved. The planet may get significance in many ways - 1) Natural significance 2) Significance gained by the ownership of particular houses. 3) Significance gained by being the natural signification of some houses. These significance will get exchanged. Thus the 4th rule is- 4) The planet may get significance due to 'Exchange of Significance' with other planets. Love, Sreenadh , SPK <aquaris_rising wrote: > > Thanks Sreenadhji, > > Exchange of significations: > > Does this mean a planet A will give planet B results > if he is in kedra position to it in planet As dasha. > Also does this apply to all kendra positions 1-7 4-10 > from each other. Aslo is it strictly applicable if the > planets in kendra position to each other are aslo > occupying kendras. ( So in this scenario, planet in > 6th house and 9th house, althogh in kendra position > from each other are not in kendras). > > Is there any rule who is the boss. i.e. planet in 4th > place may be subordinate to planet in 10th position > and so on. What happens in 1-7 relationship? > > Thanks > > Satish > --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Satish ji, > > 'Paraspara' means 'Mutual'. > > 'Karakatwa' means 'Significance'. > > > > Simply 'Paraspara Karakatwa' refers to 'Mutual > > Exchange of > > Significance'. > > > > This happens when the planets are in Kendra to each > > other, as well as > > when both of them are in their Swakshetra or sign of > > Exaltation. > > > > So don't worry. Your understanding is OK. > > > > Love, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Satish, > > > > > > I have not read about exchange being equated to > > Paraspara Karaka. I > > have > > > already explained about the Paraspara karaka > > concept in earlier > > mail. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > SPK wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Charashekharji and sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > The question is how does this exchage work ? > > Both > > > > planets exchage significations or are there any > > > > special rules ? > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog@ > > <sreesog%40>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > Oh! Thanks. I thought since most of the > > discussion > > > > > is centered on > > > > > Jaimini and BPHS all this Karaka thing would > > be > > > > > something related to > > > > > them (which I am unaware off) > > > > > Ok. By Karaka Yogas, you are referring to the > > > > > exchange of > > > > > significance between the planets in Kenadra to > > each > > > > > other in > > > > > exaltation or swakshetra - right? What is the > > > > > special point under > > > > > discussion about them? > > > > > By the way I would like somebody start a > > discussion > > > > > on Chara > > > > > Karakas, as well since I would like to know > > more > > > > > about the Chara > > > > > karaka system used by Jaimini/BPHS. > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think the karaka yogas had reference > > to > > > > > chara > > > > > > karakas. It appeared that they are yogas of > > > > > planets in > > > > > > kendra position from each other. It is in > > > > > > jatakabharanam. > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > > > There are some fundamental questions to be > > > > > > > answered about before > > > > > > > going to the detailed discussion about the > > > > > > > application of Chara Karaka > > > > > > > concept. > > > > > > > 1) Whether it is applicable to only > > Relatives > > > > > or to > > > > > > > everything the > > > > > > > zodiac (Signs and Houses) can signify? > > > > > > > 2) If it is applicable to everything > > thing, > > > > > then > > > > > > > how the Chara Karas > > > > > > > (Planets) are related to the zodiac (Signs > > and > > > > > > > Houses)? > > > > > > > There could be two possible strategies - > > > > > > > a) Assigning a Chara Karaka (Significator) > > > > > to > > > > > > > every house (from 1 > > > > > > > to 12): But the problem is there is only > > 7, 8 or > > > > > 9 > > > > > > > planets only. > > > > > > > b) Assigning Chara Karakas to 2 houses > > each > > > > > > > considering the > > > > > > > corresponding Drishyardha-Adirshardha > > > > > combinations. > > > > > > > Starting from > > > > > > > Lagna to 7th the 7 planets and the 12 > > houses can > > > > > fit > > > > > > > into this > > > > > > > strategy in the best way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us have a look back at the Chara > > Karaka > > > > > > > assignment- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atmakaraka : Lagna > > > > > > > Dhana Karaka : 2nd and 12th > > > > > > > Bhratru Karaka : 3rd and 11th > > > > > > > ....... > > > > > > > ....... > > > > > > > Kalatra Karaka : 7th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was it the original strategy, which later > > got > > > > > > > corrupted due to > > > > > > > interpolated slokas? Or is there any other > > > > > approach > > > > > > > to systematically > > > > > > > understand the same? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several questions to be > > answered? > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > that Pradeep ji and > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar ji will have a look into > > this > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > " Sreenadh " > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Satish ji, > > > > > > > > Currantly I have zero (0) knowledge on > > the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will respond after others have a start > > on > > > > > the > > > > > > > same. Mean while let > > > > > > > > me start learning what it is :=) > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, SPK > > > > > > > <aquaris_rising@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Sreenadh, Chadrashekharji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to know your take on Karaka > > yogas. > > > > > I > > > > > > > beleive > > > > > > > > > they are yogas when planets are in > > kendra > > > > > > > postision > > > > > > > > > from each other. Explanation as to how > > to > > > > > use > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > will be helpful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Satish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Get the toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > http://new.toolbar./toolbar/features/mail/index.php > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Dear Gordon, Hope you'll get some time to go over this issue again and come up with some suggestions. Seems you haven't done that yet. Just one example from your mail:"Should we assume that Rahu gets used more than once if there are two pairs? - that could easily follow from Narasimha's interpretation of the Slokas."- No, it cannot - More pairs- more shtira karakas, not more /use of/ Rahu. The situation of two /or more/ planets in a same degree, serves just as a criterion, JUSTIFIES use of 8 karakas. This is the main issue- if you missed that, how can you possibly comment on the same? In other words, no point- no discussion possible Regards, Anna --- On Fri, 10/31/08, GWBrennan <GWBrennan wrote: GWBrennan <GWBrennan Chara Karakassohamsa Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 4:08 PM Dear Michal, Narasimha et al. I did not have time until today to look at all the arguments back and forth regaring Chara Karakas, but it does seem now that you've been missing out some considerations in this game of email boxing. Parashara's verses are not totally clear, neither are the Vriddhas quoted by Narasimha much clearer and so each person is championing a viewpoint and claiming that such and such proves this viewpoint is right. Neither wins just like that. Parashara does not say what happens when there are three or four or five or six or seven or even eight or nine planets on the same degree, which is theoretically possible. Nor does he say what happens when there are multiple sets of two planets of three planets on the same degree, which is not all that unusual. Should we assume that Rahu gets used more than once if there are two pairs? - that could easily follow from Narasimha's interpretation of the Slokas. It could even arguably be that Matri and Putra Karakas were given as an example in the Slokas. Surely we should admit that Parashara's statements are not clear and look for more, not necessarily from Parashara. (Perhaps Sanjay is hiding them away and watching the entertainment from afar). Or perhaps we should just look for examples in well known charts to back up the arguments. There have not been many of those so far that I have seen. Also the argument that Rahu comes in when sexual reproduction takes places seems naturally correct. After all, you could say - no sex, no Rahu. Regards Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Dear Shri PVR Narasimha Rao Ji, Namaste, I was reading this article of yours on Chara Karakas [http://vedicastrologer.org/articles/c_karaka.pdf] and I read the procedure you stated for finding chara karakas (which I have copied below). I have a question regarding this: which of the four Chara Karaka Definitions provided by you in Jagannatha Hora is this one? Thank you in advance. Yours Sincerely, Paawan Sharma ----Procedure copied below---- The following procedure can be used for finding chara karakas. (1) Take seven planets – Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn. Write down their degrees in the respective sign. If a planet is at 23 deg 1 min or 23 deg 59 min, its degrees are still 23. (2) If any two (or more) planets have the same degrees, then include Rahu and use eight chara karakas. Otherwise (i.e. all planets having different degrees), exclude Rahu and use seven chara karakas. (3a) If we choose to use seven karakas, the portfolios are: AK (self), AmK (counsel), BK (brother), MK (mother), PiK (father), GK (rival) and DK (spouse). There is no separate planet for the portfolio of child (PK) and that portfolio is merged with that of mother (MK). In other words, the same planet signifies both mother and child. We consider the seven planets (Sun-to- Saturn) for these seven portfolios. (3b) If we choose to use eight karakas, the portfolios are: AK (self), AmK (counsel), BK (brother), MK (mother), PiK (father), PK (child), GK (rival) and DK (spouse). We consider the eight planets (Sun-to-Rahu) for these eight portfolios. Rahu's longitude is subtracted from 30 deg, because he is always retrograde and enters signs from the end always. (4) For AK (and only for AK), we do not make a decision just by the degrees. If two (or more) planets are in the same degree, we check the minutes. If the minutes are also the same, we check seconds also. If Saturn is at 28 deg 35 min 24 sec in a rasi and Jupiter is at 28 deg 35 min 45 sec in another rasi, then Jupiter becomes AK. (5) For other significators, only degrees are used. After finding AK, we arrange all other planets in the decreasing order of degrees (only) and distribute the portfolios in the order described above. (6) If two planets are in the same degree, they compete for the same portfolios. The higher portfolio out of the ones carved out for them becomes absent and gets judged from corresponding sthira karaka. The lower portfolio goes to one of the competing planets that is at highest minutes/seconds within the same degree. The planet with lower advancement within the degree loses out. Suppose Saturn is at 21 deg 24 min and Mercury is at 21 deg 11 min and they compete for BK and MK. Mercury is at lower minutes and is removed from the list and Saturn wins the tie. Saturn wins the tie with Mercury, but the top portfolio is out of bounds even after winning and he has to settle for MK. The higher BK portfolio goes to sthira karaka, i.e. Mars. When you need to look for BK in the chart for any purpose, such as judgment of houses and evaluation of karaka dasa etc, use Mars as BK. He is the full-fledged BK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Namaste, To use the method described in http://vedicastrologer.org/articles/c_karaka.pdf article based on BPHS, please select " Mixed 7/8 chara karakas of Parasara " in chara karaka calculation options of JHora. It is available in JHora 7.33. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ---- pav_pv <pav_pv wrote: > Dear Shri PVR Narasimha Rao Ji, > > Namaste, I was reading this article of yours on Chara Karakas [http://vedicastrologer.org/articles/c_karaka.pdf] and I read the procedure you stated for finding chara karakas (which I have copied below). I have a question regarding this: which of the four Chara Karaka Definitions provided by you in Jagannatha Hora is this one? > Thank you in advance. > > Yours Sincerely, > Paawan Sharma > > ----Procedure copied below---- > > The following procedure can be used for finding chara karakas. > (1) Take seven planets – Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn. Write down their degrees in the respective > sign. If a planet is at 23 deg 1 min or 23 deg 59 min, its degrees are still 23. > (2) If any two (or more) planets have the same degrees, then include Rahu and use eight chara karakas. Otherwise (i.e. all > planets having different degrees), exclude Rahu and use seven chara karakas. > (3a) If we choose to use seven karakas, the portfolios are: AK (self), AmK (counsel), BK (brother), MK (mother), PiK (father), > GK (rival) and DK (spouse). There is no separate planet for the portfolio of child (PK) and that portfolio is merged with that of > mother (MK). In other words, the same planet signifies both mother and child. We consider the seven planets (Sun-to- > Saturn) for these seven portfolios. > (3b) If we choose to use eight karakas, the portfolios are: AK (self), AmK (counsel), BK (brother), MK (mother), PiK (father), > PK (child), GK (rival) and DK (spouse). We consider the eight planets (Sun-to-Rahu) for these eight portfolios. Rahu's > longitude is subtracted from 30 deg, because he is always retrograde and enters signs from the end always. > (4) For AK (and only for AK), we do not make a decision just by the degrees. If two (or more) planets are in the same degree, > we check the minutes. If the minutes are also the same, we check seconds also. If Saturn is at 28 deg 35 min 24 sec in a > rasi and Jupiter is at 28 deg 35 min 45 sec in another rasi, then Jupiter becomes AK. > (5) For other significators, only degrees are used. After finding AK, we arrange all other planets in the decreasing order of > degrees (only) and distribute the portfolios in the order described above. > (6) If two planets are in the same degree, they compete for the same portfolios. The higher portfolio out of the ones carved > out for them becomes absent and gets judged from corresponding sthira karaka. The lower portfolio goes to one of the > competing planets that is at highest minutes/seconds within the same degree. The planet with lower advancement within the > degree loses out. Suppose Saturn is at 21 deg 24 min and Mercury is at 21 deg 11 min and they compete for BK and MK. > Mercury is at lower minutes and is removed from the list and Saturn wins the tie. Saturn wins the tie with Mercury, but the top > portfolio is out of bounds even after winning and he has to settle for MK. The higher BK portfolio goes to sthira karaka, i.e. > Mars. When you need to look for BK in the chart for any purpose, such as judgment of houses and evaluation of karaka dasa > etc, use Mars as BK. He is the full-fledged BK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Thank you very much, Rao Ji. Your service to jyotisha is truly remarkable. jhora , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > To use the method described in http://vedicastrologer.org/articles/c_karaka.pdf article based on BPHS, please select " Mixed 7/8 chara karakas of Parasara " in chara karaka calculation options of JHora. It is available in JHora 7.33. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > ---- pav_pv <pav_pv wrote: > > Dear Shri PVR Narasimha Rao Ji, > > > > Namaste, I was reading this article of yours on Chara Karakas [http://vedicastrologer.org/articles/c_karaka.pdf] and I read the procedure you stated for finding chara karakas (which I have copied below). I have a question regarding this: which of the four Chara Karaka Definitions provided by you in Jagannatha Hora is this one? > > Thank you in advance. > > > > Yours Sincerely, > > Paawan Sharma > > > > ----Procedure copied below---- > > > > The following procedure can be used for finding chara karakas. > > (1) Take seven planets – Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn. Write down their degrees in the respective > > sign. If a planet is at 23 deg 1 min or 23 deg 59 min, its degrees are still 23. > > (2) If any two (or more) planets have the same degrees, then include Rahu and use eight chara karakas. Otherwise (i.e. all > > planets having different degrees), exclude Rahu and use seven chara karakas. > > (3a) If we choose to use seven karakas, the portfolios are: AK (self), AmK (counsel), BK (brother), MK (mother), PiK (father), > > GK (rival) and DK (spouse). There is no separate planet for the portfolio of child (PK) and that portfolio is merged with that of > > mother (MK). In other words, the same planet signifies both mother and child. We consider the seven planets (Sun-to- > > Saturn) for these seven portfolios. > > (3b) If we choose to use eight karakas, the portfolios are: AK (self), AmK (counsel), BK (brother), MK (mother), PiK (father), > > PK (child), GK (rival) and DK (spouse). We consider the eight planets (Sun-to-Rahu) for these eight portfolios. Rahu's > > longitude is subtracted from 30 deg, because he is always retrograde and enters signs from the end always. > > (4) For AK (and only for AK), we do not make a decision just by the degrees. If two (or more) planets are in the same degree, > > we check the minutes. If the minutes are also the same, we check seconds also. If Saturn is at 28 deg 35 min 24 sec in a > > rasi and Jupiter is at 28 deg 35 min 45 sec in another rasi, then Jupiter becomes AK. > > (5) For other significators, only degrees are used. After finding AK, we arrange all other planets in the decreasing order of > > degrees (only) and distribute the portfolios in the order described above. > > (6) If two planets are in the same degree, they compete for the same portfolios. The higher portfolio out of the ones carved > > out for them becomes absent and gets judged from corresponding sthira karaka. The lower portfolio goes to one of the > > competing planets that is at highest minutes/seconds within the same degree. The planet with lower advancement within the > > degree loses out. Suppose Saturn is at 21 deg 24 min and Mercury is at 21 deg 11 min and they compete for BK and MK. > > Mercury is at lower minutes and is removed from the list and Saturn wins the tie. Saturn wins the tie with Mercury, but the top > > portfolio is out of bounds even after winning and he has to settle for MK. The higher BK portfolio goes to sthira karaka, i.e. > > Mars. When you need to look for BK in the chart for any purpose, such as judgment of houses and evaluation of karaka dasa > > etc, use Mars as BK. He is the full-fledged BK. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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