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Dear Narasimhaji

 

Namaste.

 

With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it " Free "

- I think it is prudent to do the following.

 

In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled

from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.

There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the

Name of the software would have to Generic.

 

Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend

that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say

Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused

of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)

 

We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if

possible the Splash Screen.

 

Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.

 

Thanks for all you do.

 

With best wishes

Shrikanth

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Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar

That’s a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start

many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today

The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped

Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there.

Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated.

 

 

 

Shrikanth

Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM

jhora

Renaming JHora

Dear NarasimhajiNamaste.With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following.In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic.Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen.Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.Thanks for all you do.With best wishesShrikanth

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Namaste,

 

IMO, there is no need to remain Jhora. Nobody owns Jagannatha, so why should it be linked to any specific individual or organization. Everyone is free to use God's name.

 

Jhora as it stands today is already allowing for plenty of different variations and options which can used for research. I don't think there is any other software which allows this. Narasimha does a wonderful job of maintaining the software, modifying it to suit various suggestions etc. and I am sure if there are other meaning variations needed, one can always mail the author and get the variation included (provided it is possible within the architecture of the software). As in the case with one dasa system that was included - whose coding was done by another individual -, what is stopping other genuinely interested people from contributing to Jhora? Jhora as it stands today may not be open source, but it is the next best thing to open source.

 

 

The so called new era of research has already been set in. Now whoever wants to honestly pursue the same or not pursue the same, is their business.

 

-Regards

Rajarshi

 

"Between me and You, there is only me.

Take away the me, so only You remain" - Hallaj--- On Fri, 12/3/10, Sanjay Rath <sjrath wrote:

Sanjay Rath <sjrathRe: Renaming JHorajhora Date: Friday, 12 March, 2010, 10:22 AM

 

Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar

That’s a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start

many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today

The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped

Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there.

Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated.

 

 

 

Shrikanth

Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM

jhora

Renaming JHora

Dear NarasimhajiNamaste.With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following.In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic.Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen.Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.Thanks for all you

do.With best wishesShrikanth

om gurave namahDear

 

Jaya BharatiRegards ~Sanjay Rathhttp://srath. cpm

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Dear,

Here lies the crux of all the problem.

In current form J Hora is Software for basic as well as

research.

There is need to have a software that caters to specific

parameters and routines to produce output, that suit to ones set of

teachings.

Now assume , Sh PVR the author of code is not given the options/defaults

 required, and he does not put J hora  as open source, It is difficult task

 for other programmers to provide various dasa described in

Jaimini and parasar, other than already  implemented in J hora. If one wants to

programme other dasa

He will have to reinvent the wheel.

PVR ji, also mentioned about definition of sri-lagna perhaps and

about working of Sudasa etc. May be Pt Rath has clear teachings on it , KCD and

other things.

May be Communication gap is a  real  hindrance to implementation

/ modifications.

Neither PVR is wrong nor Pt Rath if viewed in this context.

It is divine will only that can settle the dispute for benefit

for coming times.

PS: I know nothing of SW writing , my understanding is based on

mails on lists,

With regards,

RC.

 

 

 

jhora [jhora ] On Behalf Of rajarshi

nandy

Friday, March 12, 2010 11:28 AM

jhora

Re: Renaming JHora

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste,

 

 

 

 

 

IMO, there is no need to remain Jhora. Nobody owns

Jagannatha, so why should it be linked to any specific individual or

organization. Everyone is free to use God's name.

 

 

 

 

 

Jhora as it stands today is already allowing for plenty of

different variations and options which can used for research. I don't think

there is any other software which allows this. Narasimha does a wonderful job

of maintaining the software, modifying it to suit various

suggestions etc. and I am sure if there are other meaning variations needed,

one can always mail the author and get the variation included (provided it is

possible within the architecture of the software). As in the case with one

dasa system that was included - whose coding was done by another individual

-, what is stopping other genuinely interested people from contributing to

Jhora? Jhora as it stands today may not be open source, but it is the next

best thing to open source.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The so called new era of research has already been set in.

Now whoever wants to honestly pursue the same or not pursue the same, is

their business.

 

 

 

 

 

-Regards

 

 

Rajarshi

 

 

 

" Between me and

You, there is only me.

Take away the me, so only You remain " - Hallaj

 

 

 

 

--- On Fri, 12/3/10, Sanjay Rath <sjrath

wrote:

 

Sanjay Rath <sjrath

Re: Renaming JHora

jhora

Friday, 12 March, 2010, 10:22 AM

 

 

 

 

Tere mu

mein ghee-shakkar

 

 

That’s a

nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open

source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start

 

 

many many

people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can

have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ...

I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today

 

 

The Vedic

Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected

and worshipped

 

 

Maruta is

the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to

allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there.

 

 

Of course

your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name

of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very

intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest

person you have met who loves to be hated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Shrikanth

 

 

Thursday, March

11, 2010 10:43 PM

 

 

jhora

 

 

Renaming

JHora

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Narasimhaji

 

Namaste.

 

With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it

" Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following.

 

In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start

decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.

There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the

Name of the software would have to Generic.

 

Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend

that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say

Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get

accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)

 

We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and

if possible the Splash Screen.

 

Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.

 

Thanks for all you do.

 

With best wishes

Shrikanth

 

 

 

om gurave

namah

Dear

 

 

 

 

 

Jaya

Bharati

Regards ~

Sanjay Rath

http://srath. cpm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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your Homepage.

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Om Namah Sivaya

 

Dear All,

 

I have two points to say.

 

1. There is no need to make JHora as an open source, since there is another free

open source software called " Mudgala Hora " created by Sri Ajit Krishnan several

years ago. It is similar to JHora in most respects and people who wants to

incorporate their research, options etc. can try that option. The good news is

that it supports JHora .jhd file formats as well. Only thing we need from

programming part is to learn C# and Microsoft kindly gives a free version of

Microsoft C# Express version. I have tested and the Mudgala Hora source code

gets compiled with this free compiler. One more thing is that we need to install

DotNet framework, which I guess most of the computers have now a days.

 

So, it is upto Sri Narasimha whether make it open source or not.

 

2. Now, I believe we have a wrong Sri Lagna definition in vogue on Internet

Jyotish knowledge with my study of Jaimini background. Then, how can anybody

certify/believe that this version of Sri Lagna is correct unless one produce the

Sansrit source of it. As I understand it, the Sri Lagna now given by JHora was

called as Tara Lagna by ancient commentaires. At the sametime, another classic

commentary on Jaimini mentions another Sri Lagna in its " Lagna Bheda " Adhyaya.

 

I think it is proper to leave it to Sri Narasimha when he will make it open

source, since two open source softwares (Mudgala Hora and Maitreya bY Martin

Pettau) are readily avaialable on Internet. So, people desirours producing their

own version of software, it is a click away.

 

People write a lot to Sri Narasimha regarding open sourcing his software and why

can't they voice in the same tone about the ancient literature some parampara

seem to posess and request to make them open for the simple reason, our

Maharshis wrote them for open public. They never ask about the classical

reference of Narayana Dasa or other dasas.

 

Sarve Janah Sukhinoh Bhavantu

 

Warm Regards,

Shanmukha

 

jhora , " R C Srivastava " <swami.rcs wrote:

>

> Dear,

>

> Here lies the crux of all the problem.

>

> In current form J Hora is Software for basic as well as research.

>

> There is need to have a software that caters to specific parameters and

routines to produce output, that suit to ones set of teachings.

>

> Now assume , Sh PVR the author of code is not given the options/defaults

required, and he does not put J hora as open source, It is difficult task

>

> for other programmers to provide various dasa described in Jaimini and

parasar, other than already implemented in J hora. If one wants to programme

other dasa

>

> He will have to reinvent the wheel.

>

> PVR ji, also mentioned about definition of sri-lagna perhaps and about working

of Sudasa etc. May be Pt Rath has clear teachings on it , KCD and other things.

>

> May be Communication gap is a real hindrance to implementation /

modifications.

>

> Neither PVR is wrong nor Pt Rath if viewed in this context.

>

> It is divine will only that can settle the dispute for benefit for coming

times.

>

> PS: I know nothing of SW writing , my understanding is based on mails on

lists,

>

> With regards,

>

> RC.

>

> jhora [jhora ] On Behalf Of

rajarshi nandy

> Friday, March 12, 2010 11:28 AM

> jhora

> Re: Renaming JHora

Namaste,

>

>

>

> IMO, there is no need to remain Jhora. Nobody owns Jagannatha, so why should

it be linked to any specific individual or organization. Everyone is free to use

God's name.

>

>

>

> Jhora as it stands today is already allowing for plenty of different

variations and options which can used for research. I don't think there is any

other software which allows this. Narasimha does a wonderful job of maintaining

the software, modifying it to suit various suggestions etc. and I am sure if

there are other meaning variations needed, one can always mail the author and

get the variation included (provided it is possible within the architecture of

the software). As in the case with one dasa system that was included - whose

coding was done by another individual -, what is stopping other genuinely

interested people from contributing to Jhora? Jhora as it stands today may not

be open source, but it is the next best thing to open source.

>

>

>

>

>

> The so called new era of research has already been set in. Now whoever wants

to honestly pursue the same or not pursue the same, is their business.

>

>

>

> -Regards

>

> Rajarshi

>

> " Between me and You, there is only me.

>

> Take away the me, so only You remain " - Hallaj

>

>

>

> --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Sanjay Rath <sjrath wrote:

>

>

> Sanjay Rath <sjrath

> Re: Renaming JHora

> jhora

> Friday, 12 March, 2010, 10:22 AM

>

>

>

> Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar

>

> That’s a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes

open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will

start

>

> many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level

altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a

nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations

even today

>

> The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were

respected and worshipped

>

> Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt

Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama

to be there.

>

> Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove

the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very

intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest

person you have met who loves to be hated.

>

>

>

> Shrikanth <http://in.mc955.mail./mc/compose?to=vgshrikanth

>

> Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM

>

> jhora

<http://in.mc955.mail./mc/compose?to=jhora >

>

> Renaming JHora

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Narasimhaji

>

> Namaste.

>

> With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it

" Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following.

>

> In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start

decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.

> There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the

Name of the software would have to Generic.

>

> Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend

that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say

Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused

of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)

>

> We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and

if possible the Splash Screen.

>

> Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.

>

> Thanks for all you do.

>

> With best wishes

> Shrikanth

>

> om gurave namah

> Dear

>

>

>

> Jaya Bharati

> Regards ~

> Sanjay Rath

> http://srath. cpm <http://srath.cpm/>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See

<http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./> your

Homepage.

>

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Dear Shanmukha

This list is for J hora, Therefore regarding last para i would not waste time

and space of members here.

But , rest part of your mail is fine and I respect your views and you are

right in your suggestion.

with regards .

RC

 

 

 

 

 

Sarve Janah Sukhinoh Bhavantu

 

Warm Regards,

 

 

 

jhora , " teli_sha2002 " <teli_sha2002 wrote:

>

> Om Namah Sivaya

>

> Dear All,

>

> I have two points to say.

>

> 1. There is no need to make JHora as an open source, since there is another

free open source software called " Mudgala Hora " created by Sri Ajit Krishnan

several years ago. It is similar to JHora in most respects and people who wants

to incorporate their research, options etc. can try that option. The good news

is that it supports JHora .jhd file formats as well. Only thing we need from

programming part is to learn C# and Microsoft kindly gives a free version of

Microsoft C# Express version. I have tested and the Mudgala Hora source code

gets compiled with this free compiler. One more thing is that we need to install

DotNet framework, which I guess most of the computers have now a days.

>

> So, it is upto Sri Narasimha whether make it open source or not.

>

> 2. Now, I believe we have a wrong Sri Lagna definition in vogue on Internet

Jyotish knowledge with my study of Jaimini background. Then, how can anybody

certify/believe that this version of Sri Lagna is correct unless one produce the

Sansrit source of it. As I understand it, the Sri Lagna now given by JHora was

called as Tara Lagna by ancient commentaires. At the sametime, another classic

commentary on Jaimini mentions another Sri Lagna in its " Lagna Bheda " Adhyaya.

>

> I think it is proper to leave it to Sri Narasimha when he will make it open

source, since two open source softwares (Mudgala Hora and Maitreya bY Martin

Pettau) are readily avaialable on Internet. So, people desirours producing their

own version of software, it is a click away.

>

> People write a lot to Sri Narasimha regarding open sourcing his software and

why can't they voice in the same tone about the ancient literature some

parampara seem to posess and request to make them open for the simple reason,

our Maharshis wrote them for open public. They never ask about the classical

reference of Narayana Dasa or other dasas.

>

> Sarve Janah Sukhinoh Bhavantu

>

> Warm Regards,

> Shanmukha

>

> jhora , " R C Srivastava " <swami.rcs@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear,

> >

> > Here lies the crux of all the problem.

> >

> > In current form J Hora is Software for basic as well as research.

> >

> > There is need to have a software that caters to specific parameters and

routines to produce output, that suit to ones set of teachings.

> >

> > Now assume , Sh PVR the author of code is not given the options/defaults

required, and he does not put J hora as open source, It is difficult task

> >

> > for other programmers to provide various dasa described in Jaimini and

parasar, other than already implemented in J hora. If one wants to programme

other dasa

> >

> > He will have to reinvent the wheel.

> >

> > PVR ji, also mentioned about definition of sri-lagna perhaps and about

working of Sudasa etc. May be Pt Rath has clear teachings on it , KCD and other

things.

> >

> > May be Communication gap is a real hindrance to implementation /

modifications.

> >

> > Neither PVR is wrong nor Pt Rath if viewed in this context.

> >

> > It is divine will only that can settle the dispute for benefit for coming

times.

> >

> > PS: I know nothing of SW writing , my understanding is based on mails on

lists,

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > RC.

> >

> > jhora [jhora ] On Behalf Of

rajarshi nandy

> > Friday, March 12, 2010 11:28 AM

> > jhora

> > Re: Renaming JHora

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> >

> >

> > IMO, there is no need to remain Jhora. Nobody owns Jagannatha, so why should

it be linked to any specific individual or organization. Everyone is free to use

God's name.

> >

> >

> >

> > Jhora as it stands today is already allowing for plenty of different

variations and options which can used for research. I don't think there is any

other software which allows this. Narasimha does a wonderful job of maintaining

the software, modifying it to suit various suggestions etc. and I am sure if

there are other meaning variations needed, one can always mail the author and

get the variation included (provided it is possible within the architecture of

the software). As in the case with one dasa system that was included - whose

coding was done by another individual -, what is stopping other genuinely

interested people from contributing to Jhora? Jhora as it stands today may not

be open source, but it is the next best thing to open source.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > The so called new era of research has already been set in. Now whoever wants

to honestly pursue the same or not pursue the same, is their business.

> >

> >

> >

> > -Regards

> >

> > Rajarshi

> >

> > " Between me and You, there is only me.

> >

> > Take away the me, so only You remain " - Hallaj

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Sanjay Rath <sjrath@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Sanjay Rath <sjrath@>

> > Re: Renaming JHora

> > jhora

> > Friday, 12 March, 2010, 10:22 AM

> >

> >

> >

> > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar

> >

> > That’s a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora

becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish

will start

> >

> > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level

altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a

nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations

even today

> >

> > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were

respected and worshipped

> >

> > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt

Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama

to be there.

> >

> > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove

the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very

intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest

person you have met who loves to be hated.

> >

> >

> >

> > Shrikanth <http://in.mc955.mail./mc/compose?to=vgshrikanth@>

> >

> > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM

> >

> > jhora

<http://in.mc955.mail./mc/compose?to=jhora >

> >

> > Renaming JHora

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Narasimhaji

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it

" Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following.

> >

> > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start

decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.

> > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but

the Name of the software would have to Generic.

> >

> > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would

recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora

(say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get

accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)

> >

> > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and

if possible the Splash Screen.

> >

> > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.

> >

> > Thanks for all you do.

> >

> > With best wishes

> > Shrikanth

> >

> > om gurave namah

> > Dear

> >

> >

> >

> > Jaya Bharati

> > Regards ~

> > Sanjay Rath

> > http://srath. cpm <http://srath.cpm/>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See

<http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./> your

Homepage.

> >

>

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Dear All,

 

Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My

sincere respects to you.

 

JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in

forwarding our Jyotish efforts.

 

Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to

following areas

 

1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu

detached from the results but still focused on action.

Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and belong

to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons positive

and negative)

 

SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and

acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit

of Jyotisha.

It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along -

like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man.

 

In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for

JHora.

 

2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work as

a " Umbrella " software with some common well know functionality developed by the

author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of thought

could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora.

 

Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or

Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science.

 

Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could also

be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use

alternative versions if they so chose.

 

This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet give

the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to user.

 

3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and use

the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not " exposed " - For ex.

Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some

calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible.

We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons

would expose this data for research.

 

Again just would like to highlight the fact these are

suggestions/recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while -

I'll still wait.

 

I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed my

life.

 

Regards

Shrikanth

 

jhora , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote:

>

> Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar

> That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes

open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will

start

> many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level

altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a

nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations

even today

> The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were

respected and worshipped

> Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt

Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama

to be there.

> Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove

the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very

intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest

person you have met who loves to be hated.

>

>

> Shrikanth

> Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM

> jhora

> Renaming JHora

>

>

>

> Dear Narasimhaji

>

> Namaste.

>

> With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it

" Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following.

>

> In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start

decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.

> There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the

Name of the software would have to Generic.

>

> Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend

that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say

Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused

of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)

>

> We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and

if possible the Splash Screen.

>

> Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.

>

> Thanks for all you do.

>

> With best wishes

> Shrikanth

>

>

>

>

> om gurave namah

> Dear

>

> Jaya Bharati

> Regards ~

> Sanjay Rath

> http://srath.cpm

>

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Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has to go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish his karma Yoga in this samsara.

You are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely.

 

 

 

Shrikanth

Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM

jhora

Re: Renaming JHora

Dear All,Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My sincere respects to you.JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in forwarding our Jyotish efforts.Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to following areas1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu detached from the results but still focused on action.Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons positive and negative)SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit of Jyotisha.It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along - like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man.In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for JHora.2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work as a "Umbrella" software with some common well know functionality developed by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of thought could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora. Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science.Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use alternative versions if they so chose.This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to user.3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not "exposed" - For ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible.We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons would expose this data for research.Again just would like to highlight the fact these are suggestions/recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while - I'll still wait.I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed my life.RegardsShrikanthjhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath wrote:>> Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar> That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start> many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today> The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped> Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there.> Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated.> > > Shrikanth > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM> jhora > Renaming JHora> > > > Dear Narasimhaji> > Namaste.> > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following.> > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.> There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic.> > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)> > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen.> > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.> > Thanks for all you do.> > With best wishes> Shrikanth> > > > > om gurave namah> Dear> > Jaya Bharati> Regards ~> Sanjay Rath> http://srath.cpm>

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Dear Rath-saab:

 

With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the " Vedic Astrology "

-group (see vedic astrology/message/118909)

that SJC folks are working on alternate software that will shortly be made free,

and in any case no longer trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors

- so am curious to why you are suggesting that JH be made open-source?

If the SJC version is open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it should

establish a good platform for people to contribute, no?

Just wondering why we are beating this " open-sourcing-JHora " horse to death; at

the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji, if

he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it

ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need

to move on from this topic...

Best,

../Dinesh

 

jhora , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote:

>

> Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has to

go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish his

karma Yoga in this samsara.

> You are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely.

>

>

> Shrikanth

> Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM

> jhora

> Re: Renaming JHora

>

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My

sincere respects to you.

>

> JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in

forwarding our Jyotish efforts.

>

> Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to

following areas

>

> 1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu

detached from the results but still focused on action.

> Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and

belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons

positive and negative)

>

> SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and

acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit

of Jyotisha.

> It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along -

like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man.

>

> In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for

JHora.

>

> 2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work

as a " Umbrella " software with some common well know functionality developed by

the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of

thought could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora.

>

> Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or

Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science.

>

> Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could

also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use

alternative versions if they so chose.

>

> This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet

give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to

user.

>

> 3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and

use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not " exposed " - For

ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some

calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible.

> We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons

would expose this data for research.

>

> Again just would like to highlight the fact these are

suggestions/recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while -

I'll still wait.

>

> I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed

my life.

>

> Regards

> Shrikanth

>

> jhora , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath@> wrote:

> >

> > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar

> > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes

open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will

start

> > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level

altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a

nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations

even today

> > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were

respected and worshipped

> > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt

Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama

to be there.

> > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove

the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very

intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest

person you have met who loves to be hated.

> >

> >

> > Shrikanth

> > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM

> > jhora

> > Renaming JHora

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Narasimhaji

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it

" Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following.

> >

> > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start

decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.

> > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but

the Name of the software would have to Generic.

> >

> > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would

recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora

(say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get

accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)

> >

> > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and

if possible the Splash Screen.

> >

> > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.

> >

> > Thanks for all you do.

> >

> > With best wishes

> > Shrikanth

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > om gurave namah

> > Dear

> >

> > Jaya Bharati

> > Regards ~

> > Sanjay Rath

> > http://srath.cpm

> >

>

>

>

>

> om gurave namah

> Dear

>

> Jaya Bharati

> Regards ~

> Sanjay Rath

> http://srath.cpm

>

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Dinesh, You have to decide first if you want to move from this topic or still ask me questions.

Jaya Bharati

 

 

 

dinesh_nambisan

Saturday, March 13, 2010 12:01 AM

jhora

Re: Renaming JHora

Dear Rath-saab:With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the "Vedic Astrology" -group (see vedic astrology/message/118909) that SJC folks are working on alternate software that will shortly be made free, and in any case no longer trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors - so am curious to why you are suggesting that JH be made open-source?If the SJC version is open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it should establish a good platform for people to contribute, no?Just wondering why we are beating this "open-sourcing-JHora" horse to death; at the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji, if he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need to move on from this topic...Best,./Dineshjhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath wrote:>> Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has to go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish his karma Yoga in this samsara. > You are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely. > > > Shrikanth > Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM> jhora > Re: Renaming JHora> > > > Dear All,> > Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My sincere respects to you.> > JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in forwarding our Jyotish efforts.> > Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to following areas> > 1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu detached from the results but still focused on action.> Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons positive and negative)> > SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit of Jyotisha.> It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along - like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man.> > In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for JHora.> > 2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work as a "Umbrella" software with some common well know functionality developed by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of thought could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora. > > Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science.> > Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use alternative versions if they so chose.> > This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to user.> > 3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not "exposed" - For ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible.> We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons would expose this data for research.> > Again just would like to highlight the fact these are suggestions/recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while - I'll still wait.> > I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed my life.> > Regards> Shrikanth> > jhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:> >> > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar> > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start> > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today> > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped> > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there.> > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated.> > > > > > Shrikanth > > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM> > jhora > > Renaming JHora> > > > > > > > Dear Narasimhaji> > > > Namaste.> > > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following.> > > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.> > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic.> > > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)> > > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen.> > > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.> > > > Thanks for all you do.> > > > With best wishes> > Shrikanth> > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah> > Dear> > > > Jaya Bharati> > Regards ~> > Sanjay Rath> > http://srath.cpm> >> > > > > om gurave namah> Dear> > Jaya Bharati> Regards ~> Sanjay Rath> http://srath.cpm>

 

 

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Namaste Rajarshi,

 

> > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another

> > level altogether. we can have versions for different things,

>

> The so called new era of research has already been set in. Now

> whoever wants to honestly pursue the same or not pursue the same,

> is their business.

 

You are right.

 

BTW, after I shared a few researches like 12th from AK in D-20, finding houses

etc, Sanjay ji banned me from his sohamsa list in September 2009 saying " Please

do not write to me or disturb this list with your new theories " . Thus, his

sincerity in wanting research and " versions for different things " is

questionable.

 

* * *

 

BTW, there is no point in anybody discussing about JHora being made open source

and/or transferring JHora ownership to SJC. As I mentioned before, I have clear

command from my spiritual guru to control the growth and features of JHora in

the coming few years and not give an opportunity to people with a biased agenda

during these critical years to shred it into pieces, create segmentation, create

confusion and stifle research. I will abide by his command.

 

* * *

 

Let us go back to discussing software.

 

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---- rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> IMO, there is no need to remain Jhora. Nobody owns Jagannatha, so why should

it be linked to any specific individual or organization. Everyone is free to use

God's name.

>

> Jhora as it stands today is already allowing for plenty of different

variations and options which can used for research. I don't think there is any

other software which allows this. Narasimha does a wonderful job of maintaining

the software, modifying it to suit various suggestions etc. and I am sure if

there are other meaning variations needed, one can always mail the author and

get the variation included (provided it is possible within the architecture of

the software). As in the case with one dasa system that was included - whose

coding was done by another individual -, what is stopping other genuinely

interested people from contributing to Jhora? Jhora as it stands today may not

be open source, but it is the next best thing to open source.

>

> The so called new era of research has already been set in. Now whoever wants

to honestly pursue the same or not pursue the same, is their business.

>

> -Regards

> Rajarshi

>

> " Between me and You, there is only me.

> Take away the me, so only You remain " - Hallaj

>

> --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Sanjay Rath <sjrath wrote:

>

> Sanjay Rath <sjrath

> Re: Renaming JHora

> jhora

> Friday, 12 March, 2010, 10:22 AM

>

> Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar

> That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes

open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will

start

> many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level

altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a

nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations

even today

> The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were

respected and worshipped

> Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt

Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama

to be there.

> Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove

the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very

intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest

person you have met who loves to be hated.

>

> Shrikanth

> Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM

> jhora

> Renaming JHora

>

> Dear Narasimhaji

>

> Namaste.

>

> With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it

" Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following.

>

> In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start

decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.

> There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the

Name of the software would have to Generic.

>

> Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend

that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say

Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused

of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)

>

> We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and

if possible the Splash Screen.

>

> Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.

>

> Thanks for all you do.

>

> With best wishes

> Shrikanth

>

> om gurave namah

> Dear

>

> Jaya Bharati

> Regards ~

> Sanjay Rath

> http://srath. cpm

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The most important issue is to make Jhora bug free at this time rather than adding more to it.

 

 

 

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jhora

Friday, March 12, 2010 11:31 AM

Re: Renaming JHora

Dear Rath-saab:With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the "Vedic Astrology" -group (see vedic astrology/message/118909) that SJC folks are working on alternate software that will shortly be made free, and in any case no longer trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors - so am curious to why you are suggesting that JH be made open-source?If the SJC version is open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it should establish a good platform for people to contribute, no?Just wondering why we are beating this "open-sourcing-JHora" horse to death; at the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji, if he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need to move on from this topic...Best,./Dineshjhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath wrote:>> Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has to go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish his karma Yoga in this samsara. > You are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely. > > > Shrikanth > Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM> jhora > Re: Renaming JHora> > > > Dear All,> > Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My sincere respects to you.> > JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in forwarding our Jyotish efforts.> > Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to following areas> > 1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu detached from the results but still focused on action.> Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons positive and negative)> > SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit of Jyotisha.> It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along - like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man.> > In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for JHora.> > 2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work as a "Umbrella" software with some common well know functionality developed by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of thought could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora. > > Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science.> > Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use alternative versions if they so chose.> > This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to user.> > 3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not "exposed" - For ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible.> We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons would expose this data for research.> > Again just would like to highlight the fact these are suggestions/recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while - I'll still wait.> > I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed my life.> > Regards> Shrikanth> > jhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:> >> > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar> > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start> > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today> > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped> > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there.> > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated.> > > > > > Shrikanth > > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM> > jhora > > Renaming JHora> > > > > > > > Dear Narasimhaji> > > > Namaste.> > > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following.> > > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.> > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic.> > > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)> > > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen.> > > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.> > > > Thanks for all you do.> > > > With best wishes> > Shrikanth> > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah> > Dear> > > > Jaya Bharati> > Regards ~> > Sanjay Rath> > http://srath.cpm> >> > > > > om gurave namah> Dear> > Jaya Bharati> Regards ~> Sanjay Rath> http://srath.cpm>

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Well, both have an importance of their own. Anyway people have been helping by

reporting bugs. If you noticed any bugs, please do report them here.

 

Thanks,

Narasimha

 

---- Ellis Gordon <ellisfgordon wrote:

> The most important issue is to make Jhora bug free at this time rather than

adding more to it.

>

>

> -

> dinesh_nambisan<dinesh_nambisan

> jhora <jhora >

> Friday, March 12, 2010 11:31 AM

> Re: Renaming JHora

>

>

>

> Dear Rath-saab:

>

> With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the " Vedic Astrology "

-group (see

vedic astrology/message/118909<http://groups.\

..comvedic astrology/message/118909>) that SJC folks are working on

alternate software that will shortly be made free, and in any case no longer

trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors - so am curious to why

you are suggesting that JH be made open-source?

> If the SJC version is open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it

should establish a good platform for people to contribute, no?

> Just wondering why we are beating this " open-sourcing-JHora " horse to death;

at the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji,

if he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it

ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need

to move on from this topic...

> Best,

> ./Dinesh

>

> jhora <jhora%40>, " Sanjay Rath "

<sjrath wrote:

> >

> > Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has

to go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish

his karma Yoga in this samsara.

> > You are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely.

> >

> >

> > Shrikanth

> > Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM

> > jhora <jhora%40>

> > Re: Renaming JHora

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My

sincere respects to you.

> >

> > JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great

service in forwarding our Jyotish efforts.

> >

> > Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that

to following areas

> >

> > 1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a

Sadhu detached from the results but still focused on action.

> > Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and

belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons

positive and negative)

> >

> > SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and

acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit

of Jyotisha.

> > It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry

along - like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man.

> >

> > In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for

JHora.

> >

> > 2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could

work as a " Umbrella " software with some common well know functionality developed

by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of

thought could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora.

> >

> > Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on

Apple or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science.

> >

> > Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,)

could also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to

use alternative versions if they so chose.

> >

> > This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet

give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to

user.

> >

> > 3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface

and use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not " exposed " -

For ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some

calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible.

> > We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other

Add-Ons would expose this data for research.

> >

> > Again just would like to highlight the fact these are

suggestions/recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while -

I'll still wait.

> >

> > I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely

changed my life.

> >

> > Regards

> > Shrikanth

> >

> > jhora <jhora%40>, " Sanjay

Rath " <sjrath@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar

> > > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora

becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish

will start

> > > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level

altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a

nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations

even today

> > > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms

were respected and worshipped

> > > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He

burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of

Rama to be there.

> > > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent -

remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ...

very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest

person you have met who loves to be hated.

> > >

> > >

> > > Shrikanth

> > > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM

> > > jhora <jhora%40>

> > > Renaming JHora

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimhaji

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making

it " Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following.

> > >

> > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start

decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.

> > > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought -

but the Name of the software would have to Generic.

> > >

> > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would

recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora

(say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get

accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)

> > >

> > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable

and if possible the Splash Screen.

> > >

> > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.

> > >

> > > Thanks for all you do.

> > >

> > > With best wishes

> > > Shrikanth

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > om gurave namah

> > > Dear

> > >

> > > Jaya Bharati

> > > Regards ~

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > > http://srath.cpm<http://srath.cpm/>

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > om gurave namah

> > Dear

> >

> > Jaya Bharati

> > Regards ~

> > Sanjay Rath

> > http://srath.cpm<http://srath.cpm/>

> >

>

>

>

>

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Respected Sanjay Rath Ji,

 

I am just illiterate in the subject of Jyotish and other related or

copyright/ownership related matters. But I think that in a discussion you have a

tendency to applaud a opinion who you think is in favor of you and you ask to

keep quiet to a person or just change the topic to the person who is even

slightly away from you.

 

Respected Sir, IMHO this is not supportive for a healthy discussion. And it also

shows your attitude towards the matter.

 

I am sorry if I had said something wrong or sound rude

 

Kind Regards

Atul

 

jhora , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote:

>

> Dinesh, You have to decide first if you want to move from this topic or still

ask me questions.

> Jaya Bharati

>

>

> dinesh_nambisan

> Saturday, March 13, 2010 12:01 AM

> jhora

> Re: Renaming JHora

>

>

>

> Dear Rath-saab:

>

> With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the " Vedic Astrology "

-group (see vedic astrology/message/118909)

that SJC folks are working on alternate software that will shortly be made free,

and in any case no longer trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors

- so am curious to why you are suggesting that JH be made open-source?

> If the SJC version is open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it should

establish a good platform for people to contribute, no?

> Just wondering why we are beating this " open-sourcing-JHora " horse to death;

at the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji,

if he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it

ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need

to move on from this topic...

> Best,

> ./Dinesh

>

>

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Namaste,

 

JHora is named after Lord 'Jagannatha'. It is the reason enough to discourage

renaming. Jagannatha will take care of 'Satya' in this sofware.

 

Regarding open sourcing- Where is a need for that.

why?

1) JHora has already plenty of options whih covers different scholl of thoughts.

2) Few flexibilities for researcher is already provided

3) It has this group which is open to implement reasonable suggetions as well as

correct the bug.

4)As long as Narasimha has energy to control the software in this way, It is

much better than open sourcing because here it is *controlled* by a very

competent at the same time selfless, research oriented, truthful and spiritual

minded Vedic Jyotisha.

 

My 2 cents!

 

Best Regards,

 

Utpal

 

 

 

jhora , " Shrikanth " <vgshrikanth wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimhaji

>

> Namaste.

>

> With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it

" Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following.

>

> In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start

decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.

> There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the

Name of the software would have to Generic.

>

> Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend

that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say

Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused

of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)

>

> We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and

if possible the Splash Screen.

>

> Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.

>

> Thanks for all you do.

>

> With best wishes

> Shrikanth

>

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I fully support Sri Utpal's views and that there is no need to change the

name of the software. Sri. Narasimha along with his team has

been improving upon the software and with updates removing

the possible bugs in the earlier version, so the software shud

not go away from Shri Narasimhaji.

 

good wishes to shri narasimhaji,

 

k.gopu--- On Sat, 3/13/10, vedic_pathak <vedic_pathak wrote:

vedic_pathak <vedic_pathak Re: Renaming JHorajhora Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 8:08 PM

Namaste,JHora is named after Lord 'Jagannatha' . It is the reason enough to discourage renaming. Jagannatha will take care of 'Satya' in this sofware.Regarding open sourcing- Where is a need for that.why?1) JHora has already plenty of options whih covers different scholl of thoughts.2) Few flexibilities for researcher is already provided3) It has this group which is open to implement reasonable suggetions as well as correct the bug.4)As long as Narasimha has energy to control the software in this way, It is much better than open sourcing because here it is *controlled* by a very competent at the same time selfless, research oriented, truthful and spiritual minded Vedic Jyotisha.My 2 cents!Best Regards,Utpaljhora (AT) (DOT)

com, "Shrikanth" <vgshrikanth@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Narasimhaji> > Namaste.> > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following.> > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.> There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic.> > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)> > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible

the Splash Screen.> > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.> > Thanks for all you do.> > With best wishes> Shrikanth>

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Namaste Dinesh and others,

 

I received the following mail from Sanjay ji this morning. Though it is a

private mail, I am forwarding it because it is directly relevant to the public

discussion we had below and there is nothing else in this mail other than what

we discussed below.

 

>>>>>>>>>>>> Begin >>>>>>>>>>>>

om gurave namah

One more thing - NEVER EVER make JHora public like source code and such things.

One software expert was here and he explained what source code is and all these

things like google. This is *my wish and hope*. Please also communicate this to

your guru. If ever you do otherwise under his directions, please inform me. I

will know that JHora has ended.

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762

Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books:

www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org

<<<<<<<<<<<< End <<<<<<<<<<<<

 

Sanjay ji seems to have had a change of mind. Thus, we are on the same page now!

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

-

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" Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

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Spirituality:

Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

-

 

jhora , " dinesh_nambisan " <dinesh_nambisan wrote:

>

> Dear Rath-saab:

>

> With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the " Vedic Astrology "

-group (see vedic astrology/message/118909)

that SJC folks are working on alternate software that will shortly be made free,

and in any case no longer trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors

- so am curious to why you are suggesting that JH be made open-source?

> If the SJC version is open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it should

establish a good platform for people to contribute, no?

> Just wondering why we are beating this " open-sourcing-JHora " horse to death;

at the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji,

if he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it

ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need

to move on from this topic...

> Best,

> ./Dinesh

>

> jhora , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath@> wrote:

> >

> > Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has

to go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish

his karma Yoga in this samsara.

> > You are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely.

> >

> >

> > Shrikanth

> > Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM

> > jhora

> > Re: Renaming JHora

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My

sincere respects to you.

> >

> > JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service

in forwarding our Jyotish efforts.

> >

> > Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to

following areas

> >

> > 1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a

Sadhu detached from the results but still focused on action.

> > Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and

belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons

positive and negative)

> >

> > SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and

acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit

of Jyotisha.

> > It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along

- like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man.

> >

> > In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for

JHora.

> >

> > 2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could

work as a " Umbrella " software with some common well know functionality developed

by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of

thought could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora.

> >

> > Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple

or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science.

> >

> > Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could

also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use

alternative versions if they so chose.

> >

> > This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet

give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to

user.

> >

> > 3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and

use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not " exposed " - For

ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some

calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible.

> > We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons

would expose this data for research.

> >

> > Again just would like to highlight the fact these are

suggestions/recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while -

I'll still wait.

> >

> > I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed

my life.

> >

> > Regards

> > Shrikanth

> >

> > jhora , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar

> > > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora

becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish

will start

> > > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level

altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a

nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations

even today

> > > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were

respected and worshipped

> > > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt

Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama

to be there.

> > > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent -

remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ...

very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest

person you have met who loves to be hated.

> > >

> > >

> > > Shrikanth

> > > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM

> > > jhora

> > > Renaming JHora

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimhaji

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it

" Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following.

> > >

> > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start

decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.

> > > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but

the Name of the software would have to Generic.

> > >

> > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would

recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora

(say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get

accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)

> > >

> > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable

and if possible the Splash Screen.

> > >

> > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.

> > >

> > > Thanks for all you do.

> > >

> > > With best wishes

> > > Shrikanth

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > om gurave namah

> > > Dear

> > >

> > > Jaya Bharati

> > > Regards ~

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > > http://srath.cpm

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > om gurave namah

> > Dear

> >

> > Jaya Bharati

> > Regards ~

> > Sanjay Rath

> > http://srath.cpm

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Wow!

 

 

 

"Between me and You, there is only me.

Take away the me, so only You remain" - Hallaj--- On Thu, 18/3/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr Re: Renaming JHorajhora Date: Thursday, 18 March, 2010, 8:00 AM

Namaste Dinesh and others,I received the following mail from Sanjay ji this morning. Though it is a private mail, I am forwarding it because it is directly relevant to the public discussion we had below and there is nothing else in this mail other than what we discussed below.>>>>>>>>>>>> Begin >>>>>>>>>>>>om gurave namah One more thing - NEVER EVER make JHora public like source code and such things. One software expert was here and he explained what source code is and all these things like google. This is *my wish and hope*. Please also communicate this to your guru. If ever you do otherwise under his directions, please inform me. I will know that JHora has ended. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762 Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa. com; Books:

www.sagittariuspubl ications. com; Community: www.. org <<<<<<<<<<<< End <<<<<<<<<<<<Sanjay ji seems to have had a change of mind. Thus, we are on the same page now!Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,"Do It Yourself" ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgFilms that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.orgSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomJyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -jhora , "dinesh_nambisan" <dinesh_nambisan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rath-saab:> > With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the "Vedic Astrology" -group (see http://groups. / group/vedic- astrology/ message/118909) that SJC folks are working on alternate software that will shortly be made free, and in any case no longer trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors - so am curious to why you are suggesting that JH be made open-source?> If the SJC version is

open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it should establish a good platform for people to contribute, no?> Just wondering why we are beating this "open-sourcing- JHora" horse to death; at the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji, if he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need to move on from this topic...> Best,> ./Dinesh> > jhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:> >> > Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has to go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish his karma Yoga in this samsara. > > You

are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely. > > > > > > Shrikanth > > Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM> > jhora > > Re: Renaming JHora> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My sincere respects to you.> > > > JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in forwarding our Jyotish efforts.> > > > Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to following areas> > > > 1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu detached

from the results but still focused on action.> > Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons positive and negative)> > > > SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit of Jyotisha.> > It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along - like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man.> > > > In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for JHora.> > > > 2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work as a "Umbrella" software with some common well know functionality developed by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of thought could build

there own versions and plug-in to JHora. > > > > Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science.> > > > Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use alternative versions if they so chose.> > > > This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to user.> > > > 3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not "exposed" - For ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible.> > We could

potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons would expose this data for research.> > > > Again just would like to highlight the fact these are suggestions/ recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while - I'll still wait.> > > > I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed my life.> > > > Regards> > Shrikanth> > > > jhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:> > >> > > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar> > > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start> > > many many

people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today> > > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped> > > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there.> > > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated.> > > > > > > > > Shrikanth > > > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM> > > To:

jhora > > > Renaming JHora> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimhaji> > > > > > Namaste.> > > > > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following.> > > > > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.> > > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic.> > > > > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you

begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)> > > > > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen.> > > > > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.> > > > > > Thanks for all you do.> > > > > > With best wishes> > > Shrikanth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah> > > Dear> > > > > > Jaya Bharati> > > Regards ~> > > Sanjay Rath> > > http://srath. cpm> >

>> > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah> > Dear> > > > Jaya Bharati> > Regards ~> > Sanjay Rath> > http://srath. cpm

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--- On Thu, 18/3/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr Re: Renaming JHorajhora Date: Thursday, 18 March, 2010, 2:30 AM

 

 

Namaste Dinesh and others,

 

I received the following mail from Sanjay ji this morning. Though it is a private mail, I am forwarding it because it is directly relevant to the public discussion we had below and there is nothing else in this mail other than what we discussed below.

 

>>>>>>>>>>>> Begin >>>>>>>>>>>>

om gurave namah

One more thing - NEVER EVER make JHora public like source code and such things.

One software expert was here and he explained what source code is and all these

things like google. This is *my wish and hope*. Please also communicate this to

your guru. If ever you do otherwise under his directions, please inform me. I

will know that JHora has ended.

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762

Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa. com; Books:

www.sagittariuspubl ications. com; Community: www.. org

<<<<<<<<<<<< End <<<<<<<<<<<<

 

Sanjay ji seems to have had a change of mind. Thus, we are on the same page now!

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

"Do It Yourself" ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org

Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

 

jhora , "dinesh_nambisan" <dinesh_nambisan@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Rath-saab:

>

> With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the "Vedic Astrology" -group (see http://groups. / group/vedic- astrology/ message/118909) that SJC folks are working on alternate software that will shortly be made free, and in any case no longer trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors - so am curious to why you are suggesting that JH be made open-source?

> If the SJC version is open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it should establish a good platform for people to contribute, no?

> Just wondering why we are beating this "open-sourcing- JHora" horse to death; at the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji, if he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need to move on from this topic...

> Best,

> ./Dinesh

>

> jhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:

> >

> > Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has to go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish his karma Yoga in this samsara.

> > You are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely.

> >

> >

> > Shrikanth

> > Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM

> > jhora

> > Re: Renaming JHora

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My sincere respects to you.

> >

> > JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in forwarding our Jyotish efforts.

> >

> > Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to following areas

> >

> > 1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu detached from the results but still focused on action.

> > Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons positive and negative)

> >

> > SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit of Jyotisha.

> > It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along - like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man.

> >

> > In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for JHora.

> >

> > 2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work as a "Umbrella" software with some common well know functionality developed by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of thought could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora.

> >

> > Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science.

> >

> > Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use alternative versions if they so chose.

> >

> > This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to user.

> >

> > 3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not "exposed" - For ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible.

> > We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons would expose this data for research.

> >

> > Again just would like to highlight the fact these are suggestions/ recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while - I'll still wait.

> >

> > I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed my life.

> >

> > Regards

> > Shrikanth

> >

> > jhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar

> > > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start

> > > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today

> > > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped

> > > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there.

> > > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated.

> > >

> > >

> > > Shrikanth

> > > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM

> > > jhora

> > > Renaming JHora

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Narasimhaji

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following.

> > >

> > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.

> > > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic.

> > >

> > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)

> > >

> > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen.

> > >

> > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.

> > >

> > > Thanks for all you do.

> > >

> > > With best wishes

> > > Shrikanth

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > om gurave namah

> > > Dear

> > >

> > > Jaya Bharati

> > > Regards ~

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > > http://srath. cpm

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > om gurave namah

> > Dear

> >

> > Jaya Bharati

> > Regards ~

> > Sanjay Rath

> > http://srath. cpm

 

 

 

 

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Feels so good to see that honest side of Sanjay- may it prevail in all of us! Now let's move on.

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--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr Re: Renaming JHorajhora Received: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 7:30 PM

Namaste Dinesh and others,I received the following mail from Sanjay ji this morning. Though it is a private mail, I am forwarding it because it is directly relevant to the public discussion we had below and there is nothing else in this mail other than what we discussed below.>>>>>>>>>>>> Begin >>>>>>>>>>>>om gurave namah One more thing - NEVER EVER make JHora public like source code and such things. One software expert was here and he explained what source code is and all these things like google. This is *my wish and hope*. Please also communicate this to your guru. If ever you do otherwise under his directions, please inform me. I will know that JHora has ended. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762 Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa. com; Books:

www.sagittariuspubl ications. com; Community: www.. org <<<<<<<<<<<< End <<<<<<<<<<<<Sanjay ji seems to have had a change of mind. Thus, we are on the same page now!Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,"Do It Yourself" ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgFilms that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.orgSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomJyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -jhora , "dinesh_nambisan" <dinesh_nambisan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rath-saab:> > With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the "Vedic Astrology" -group (see http://groups. / group/vedic- astrology/ message/118909) that SJC folks are working on alternate software that will shortly be made free, and in any case no longer trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors - so am curious to why you are suggesting that JH be made open-source?> If the SJC version is

open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it should establish a good platform for people to contribute, no?> Just wondering why we are beating this "open-sourcing- JHora" horse to death; at the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji, if he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need to move on from this topic...> Best,> ./Dinesh> > jhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:> >> > Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has to go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish his karma Yoga in this samsara. > > You

are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely. > > > > > > Shrikanth > > Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM> > jhora > > Re: Renaming JHora> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My sincere respects to you.> > > > JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in forwarding our Jyotish efforts.> > > > Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to following areas> > > > 1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu detached

from the results but still focused on action.> > Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons positive and negative)> > > > SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit of Jyotisha.> > It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along - like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man.> > > > In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for JHora.> > > > 2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work as a "Umbrella" software with some common well know functionality developed by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of thought could build

there own versions and plug-in to JHora. > > > > Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science.> > > > Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use alternative versions if they so chose.> > > > This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to user.> > > > 3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not "exposed" - For ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible.> > We could

potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons would expose this data for research.> > > > Again just would like to highlight the fact these are suggestions/ recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while - I'll still wait.> > > > I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed my life.> > > > Regards> > Shrikanth> > > > jhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:> > >> > > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar> > > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start> > > many many

people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today> > > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped> > > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there.> > > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated.> > > > > > > > > Shrikanth > > > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM> > > To:

jhora > > > Renaming JHora> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimhaji> > > > > > Namaste.> > > > > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following.> > > > > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.> > > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic.> > > > > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you

begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)> > > > > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen.> > > > > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.> > > > > > Thanks for all you do.> > > > > > With best wishes> > > Shrikanth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah> > > Dear> > > > > > Jaya Bharati> > > Regards ~> > > Sanjay Rath> > > http://srath. cpm> >

>> > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah> > Dear> > > > Jaya Bharati> > Regards ~> > Sanjay Rath> > http://srath. cpm

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