Guest guest Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Dear Narasimhaji Namaste. With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it " Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following. In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software. There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic. Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one) We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen. Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now. Thanks for all you do. With best wishes Shrikanth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar That’s a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there. Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated. Shrikanth Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM jhora Renaming JHora Dear NarasimhajiNamaste.With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following.In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic.Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen.Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.Thanks for all you do.With best wishesShrikanth om gurave namahDear Jaya BharatiRegards ~Sanjay Rathhttp://srath.cpm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Namaste, IMO, there is no need to remain Jhora. Nobody owns Jagannatha, so why should it be linked to any specific individual or organization. Everyone is free to use God's name. Jhora as it stands today is already allowing for plenty of different variations and options which can used for research. I don't think there is any other software which allows this. Narasimha does a wonderful job of maintaining the software, modifying it to suit various suggestions etc. and I am sure if there are other meaning variations needed, one can always mail the author and get the variation included (provided it is possible within the architecture of the software). As in the case with one dasa system that was included - whose coding was done by another individual -, what is stopping other genuinely interested people from contributing to Jhora? Jhora as it stands today may not be open source, but it is the next best thing to open source. The so called new era of research has already been set in. Now whoever wants to honestly pursue the same or not pursue the same, is their business. -Regards Rajarshi "Between me and You, there is only me. Take away the me, so only You remain" - Hallaj--- On Fri, 12/3/10, Sanjay Rath <sjrath wrote: Sanjay Rath <sjrathRe: Renaming JHorajhora Date: Friday, 12 March, 2010, 10:22 AM Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar That’s a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there. Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated. Shrikanth Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM jhora Renaming JHora Dear NarasimhajiNamaste.With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following.In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic.Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen.Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.Thanks for all you do.With best wishesShrikanth om gurave namahDear Jaya BharatiRegards ~Sanjay Rathhttp://srath. cpm The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Dear, Here lies the crux of all the problem. In current form J Hora is Software for basic as well as research. There is need to have a software that caters to specific parameters and routines to produce output, that suit to ones set of teachings. Now assume , Sh PVR the author of code is not given the options/defaults  required, and he does not put J hora  as open source, It is difficult task  for other programmers to provide various dasa described in Jaimini and parasar, other than already  implemented in J hora. If one wants to programme other dasa He will have to reinvent the wheel. PVR ji, also mentioned about definition of sri-lagna perhaps and about working of Sudasa etc. May be Pt Rath has clear teachings on it , KCD and other things. May be Communication gap is a  real  hindrance to implementation / modifications. Neither PVR is wrong nor Pt Rath if viewed in this context. It is divine will only that can settle the dispute for benefit for coming times. PS: I know nothing of SW writing , my understanding is based on mails on lists, With regards, RC. jhora [jhora ] On Behalf Of rajarshi nandy Friday, March 12, 2010 11:28 AM jhora Re: Renaming JHora Namaste, IMO, there is no need to remain Jhora. Nobody owns Jagannatha, so why should it be linked to any specific individual or organization. Everyone is free to use God's name. Jhora as it stands today is already allowing for plenty of different variations and options which can used for research. I don't think there is any other software which allows this. Narasimha does a wonderful job of maintaining the software, modifying it to suit various suggestions etc. and I am sure if there are other meaning variations needed, one can always mail the author and get the variation included (provided it is possible within the architecture of the software). As in the case with one dasa system that was included - whose coding was done by another individual -, what is stopping other genuinely interested people from contributing to Jhora? Jhora as it stands today may not be open source, but it is the next best thing to open source. The so called new era of research has already been set in. Now whoever wants to honestly pursue the same or not pursue the same, is their business. -Regards Rajarshi " Between me and You, there is only me. Take away the me, so only You remain " - Hallaj --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Sanjay Rath <sjrath wrote: Sanjay Rath <sjrath Re: Renaming JHora jhora Friday, 12 March, 2010, 10:22 AM Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar That’s a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there. Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated. Shrikanth Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM jhora Renaming JHora Dear Narasimhaji Namaste. With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it " Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following. In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software. There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic. Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one) We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen. Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now. Thanks for all you do. With best wishes Shrikanth om gurave namah Dear Jaya Bharati Regards ~ Sanjay Rath http://srath. cpm The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Om Namah Sivaya Dear All, I have two points to say. 1. There is no need to make JHora as an open source, since there is another free open source software called " Mudgala Hora " created by Sri Ajit Krishnan several years ago. It is similar to JHora in most respects and people who wants to incorporate their research, options etc. can try that option. The good news is that it supports JHora .jhd file formats as well. Only thing we need from programming part is to learn C# and Microsoft kindly gives a free version of Microsoft C# Express version. I have tested and the Mudgala Hora source code gets compiled with this free compiler. One more thing is that we need to install DotNet framework, which I guess most of the computers have now a days. So, it is upto Sri Narasimha whether make it open source or not. 2. Now, I believe we have a wrong Sri Lagna definition in vogue on Internet Jyotish knowledge with my study of Jaimini background. Then, how can anybody certify/believe that this version of Sri Lagna is correct unless one produce the Sansrit source of it. As I understand it, the Sri Lagna now given by JHora was called as Tara Lagna by ancient commentaires. At the sametime, another classic commentary on Jaimini mentions another Sri Lagna in its " Lagna Bheda " Adhyaya. I think it is proper to leave it to Sri Narasimha when he will make it open source, since two open source softwares (Mudgala Hora and Maitreya bY Martin Pettau) are readily avaialable on Internet. So, people desirours producing their own version of software, it is a click away. People write a lot to Sri Narasimha regarding open sourcing his software and why can't they voice in the same tone about the ancient literature some parampara seem to posess and request to make them open for the simple reason, our Maharshis wrote them for open public. They never ask about the classical reference of Narayana Dasa or other dasas. Sarve Janah Sukhinoh Bhavantu Warm Regards, Shanmukha jhora , " R C Srivastava " <swami.rcs wrote: > > Dear, > > Here lies the crux of all the problem. > > In current form J Hora is Software for basic as well as research. > > There is need to have a software that caters to specific parameters and routines to produce output, that suit to ones set of teachings. > > Now assume , Sh PVR the author of code is not given the options/defaults required, and he does not put J hora as open source, It is difficult task > > for other programmers to provide various dasa described in Jaimini and parasar, other than already implemented in J hora. If one wants to programme other dasa > > He will have to reinvent the wheel. > > PVR ji, also mentioned about definition of sri-lagna perhaps and about working of Sudasa etc. May be Pt Rath has clear teachings on it , KCD and other things. > > May be Communication gap is a real hindrance to implementation / modifications. > > Neither PVR is wrong nor Pt Rath if viewed in this context. > > It is divine will only that can settle the dispute for benefit for coming times. > > PS: I know nothing of SW writing , my understanding is based on mails on lists, > > With regards, > > RC. > > jhora [jhora ] On Behalf Of rajarshi nandy > Friday, March 12, 2010 11:28 AM > jhora > Re: Renaming JHora Namaste, > > > > IMO, there is no need to remain Jhora. Nobody owns Jagannatha, so why should it be linked to any specific individual or organization. Everyone is free to use God's name. > > > > Jhora as it stands today is already allowing for plenty of different variations and options which can used for research. I don't think there is any other software which allows this. Narasimha does a wonderful job of maintaining the software, modifying it to suit various suggestions etc. and I am sure if there are other meaning variations needed, one can always mail the author and get the variation included (provided it is possible within the architecture of the software). As in the case with one dasa system that was included - whose coding was done by another individual -, what is stopping other genuinely interested people from contributing to Jhora? Jhora as it stands today may not be open source, but it is the next best thing to open source. > > > > > > The so called new era of research has already been set in. Now whoever wants to honestly pursue the same or not pursue the same, is their business. > > > > -Regards > > Rajarshi > > " Between me and You, there is only me. > > Take away the me, so only You remain " - Hallaj > > > > --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Sanjay Rath <sjrath wrote: > > > Sanjay Rath <sjrath > Re: Renaming JHora > jhora > Friday, 12 March, 2010, 10:22 AM > > > > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar > > That’s a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start > > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today > > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped > > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there. > > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated. > > > > Shrikanth <http://in.mc955.mail./mc/compose?to=vgshrikanth > > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM > > jhora <http://in.mc955.mail./mc/compose?to=jhora > > > Renaming JHora > > > > > > Dear Narasimhaji > > Namaste. > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it " Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following. > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software. > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic. > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one) > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen. > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now. > > Thanks for all you do. > > With best wishes > Shrikanth > > om gurave namah > Dear > > > > Jaya Bharati > Regards ~ > Sanjay Rath > http://srath. cpm <http://srath.cpm/> > > > > > > _____ > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See <http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./> your Homepage. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Dear Shanmukha This list is for J hora, Therefore regarding last para i would not waste time and space of members here. But , rest part of your mail is fine and I respect your views and you are right in your suggestion. with regards . RC Sarve Janah Sukhinoh Bhavantu Warm Regards, jhora , " teli_sha2002 " <teli_sha2002 wrote: > > Om Namah Sivaya > > Dear All, > > I have two points to say. > > 1. There is no need to make JHora as an open source, since there is another free open source software called " Mudgala Hora " created by Sri Ajit Krishnan several years ago. It is similar to JHora in most respects and people who wants to incorporate their research, options etc. can try that option. The good news is that it supports JHora .jhd file formats as well. Only thing we need from programming part is to learn C# and Microsoft kindly gives a free version of Microsoft C# Express version. I have tested and the Mudgala Hora source code gets compiled with this free compiler. One more thing is that we need to install DotNet framework, which I guess most of the computers have now a days. > > So, it is upto Sri Narasimha whether make it open source or not. > > 2. Now, I believe we have a wrong Sri Lagna definition in vogue on Internet Jyotish knowledge with my study of Jaimini background. Then, how can anybody certify/believe that this version of Sri Lagna is correct unless one produce the Sansrit source of it. As I understand it, the Sri Lagna now given by JHora was called as Tara Lagna by ancient commentaires. At the sametime, another classic commentary on Jaimini mentions another Sri Lagna in its " Lagna Bheda " Adhyaya. > > I think it is proper to leave it to Sri Narasimha when he will make it open source, since two open source softwares (Mudgala Hora and Maitreya bY Martin Pettau) are readily avaialable on Internet. So, people desirours producing their own version of software, it is a click away. > > People write a lot to Sri Narasimha regarding open sourcing his software and why can't they voice in the same tone about the ancient literature some parampara seem to posess and request to make them open for the simple reason, our Maharshis wrote them for open public. They never ask about the classical reference of Narayana Dasa or other dasas. > > Sarve Janah Sukhinoh Bhavantu > > Warm Regards, > Shanmukha > > jhora , " R C Srivastava " <swami.rcs@> wrote: > > > > Dear, > > > > Here lies the crux of all the problem. > > > > In current form J Hora is Software for basic as well as research. > > > > There is need to have a software that caters to specific parameters and routines to produce output, that suit to ones set of teachings. > > > > Now assume , Sh PVR the author of code is not given the options/defaults required, and he does not put J hora as open source, It is difficult task > > > > for other programmers to provide various dasa described in Jaimini and parasar, other than already implemented in J hora. If one wants to programme other dasa > > > > He will have to reinvent the wheel. > > > > PVR ji, also mentioned about definition of sri-lagna perhaps and about working of Sudasa etc. May be Pt Rath has clear teachings on it , KCD and other things. > > > > May be Communication gap is a real hindrance to implementation / modifications. > > > > Neither PVR is wrong nor Pt Rath if viewed in this context. > > > > It is divine will only that can settle the dispute for benefit for coming times. > > > > PS: I know nothing of SW writing , my understanding is based on mails on lists, > > > > With regards, > > > > RC. > > > > jhora [jhora ] On Behalf Of rajarshi nandy > > Friday, March 12, 2010 11:28 AM > > jhora > > Re: Renaming JHora > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > IMO, there is no need to remain Jhora. Nobody owns Jagannatha, so why should it be linked to any specific individual or organization. Everyone is free to use God's name. > > > > > > > > Jhora as it stands today is already allowing for plenty of different variations and options which can used for research. I don't think there is any other software which allows this. Narasimha does a wonderful job of maintaining the software, modifying it to suit various suggestions etc. and I am sure if there are other meaning variations needed, one can always mail the author and get the variation included (provided it is possible within the architecture of the software). As in the case with one dasa system that was included - whose coding was done by another individual -, what is stopping other genuinely interested people from contributing to Jhora? Jhora as it stands today may not be open source, but it is the next best thing to open source. > > > > > > > > > > > > The so called new era of research has already been set in. Now whoever wants to honestly pursue the same or not pursue the same, is their business. > > > > > > > > -Regards > > > > Rajarshi > > > > " Between me and You, there is only me. > > > > Take away the me, so only You remain " - Hallaj > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Sanjay Rath <sjrath@> wrote: > > > > > > Sanjay Rath <sjrath@> > > Re: Renaming JHora > > jhora > > Friday, 12 March, 2010, 10:22 AM > > > > > > > > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar > > > > That’s a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start > > > > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today > > > > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped > > > > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there. > > > > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated. > > > > > > > > Shrikanth <http://in.mc955.mail./mc/compose?to=vgshrikanth@> > > > > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM > > > > jhora <http://in.mc955.mail./mc/compose?to=jhora > > > > > Renaming JHora > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimhaji > > > > Namaste. > > > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it " Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following. > > > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software. > > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic. > > > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one) > > > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen. > > > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now. > > > > Thanks for all you do. > > > > With best wishes > > Shrikanth > > > > om gurave namah > > Dear > > > > > > > > Jaya Bharati > > Regards ~ > > Sanjay Rath > > http://srath. cpm <http://srath.cpm/> > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See <http://in.rd./tagline_yyi_1/*http:/in./> your Homepage. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Dear All, Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My sincere respects to you. JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in forwarding our Jyotish efforts. Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to following areas 1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu detached from the results but still focused on action. Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons positive and negative) SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit of Jyotisha. It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along - like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man. In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for JHora. 2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work as a " Umbrella " software with some common well know functionality developed by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of thought could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora. Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science. Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use alternative versions if they so chose. This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to user. 3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not " exposed " - For ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible. We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons would expose this data for research. Again just would like to highlight the fact these are suggestions/recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while - I'll still wait. I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed my life. Regards Shrikanth jhora , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote: > > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there. > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated. > > > Shrikanth > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM > jhora > Renaming JHora > > > > Dear Narasimhaji > > Namaste. > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it " Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following. > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software. > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic. > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one) > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen. > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now. > > Thanks for all you do. > > With best wishes > Shrikanth > > > > > om gurave namah > Dear > > Jaya Bharati > Regards ~ > Sanjay Rath > http://srath.cpm > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has to go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish his karma Yoga in this samsara. You are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely. Shrikanth Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM jhora Re: Renaming JHora Dear All,Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My sincere respects to you.JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in forwarding our Jyotish efforts.Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to following areas1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu detached from the results but still focused on action.Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons positive and negative)SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit of Jyotisha.It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along - like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man.In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for JHora.2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work as a "Umbrella" software with some common well know functionality developed by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of thought could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora. Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science.Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use alternative versions if they so chose.This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to user.3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not "exposed" - For ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible.We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons would expose this data for research.Again just would like to highlight the fact these are suggestions/recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while - I'll still wait.I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed my life.RegardsShrikanthjhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath wrote:>> Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar> That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start> many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today> The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped> Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there.> Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated.> > > Shrikanth > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM> jhora > Renaming JHora> > > > Dear Narasimhaji> > Namaste.> > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following.> > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.> There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic.> > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)> > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen.> > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.> > Thanks for all you do.> > With best wishes> Shrikanth> > > > > om gurave namah> Dear> > Jaya Bharati> Regards ~> Sanjay Rath> http://srath.cpm> om gurave namahDear Jaya BharatiRegards ~Sanjay Rathhttp://srath.cpm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Dear Rath-saab: With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the " Vedic Astrology " -group (see vedic astrology/message/118909) that SJC folks are working on alternate software that will shortly be made free, and in any case no longer trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors - so am curious to why you are suggesting that JH be made open-source? If the SJC version is open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it should establish a good platform for people to contribute, no? Just wondering why we are beating this " open-sourcing-JHora " horse to death; at the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji, if he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need to move on from this topic... Best, ../Dinesh jhora , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote: > > Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has to go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish his karma Yoga in this samsara. > You are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely. > > > Shrikanth > Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM > jhora > Re: Renaming JHora > > > > Dear All, > > Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My sincere respects to you. > > JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in forwarding our Jyotish efforts. > > Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to following areas > > 1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu detached from the results but still focused on action. > Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons positive and negative) > > SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit of Jyotisha. > It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along - like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man. > > In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for JHora. > > 2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work as a " Umbrella " software with some common well know functionality developed by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of thought could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora. > > Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science. > > Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use alternative versions if they so chose. > > This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to user. > > 3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not " exposed " - For ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible. > We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons would expose this data for research. > > Again just would like to highlight the fact these are suggestions/recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while - I'll still wait. > > I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed my life. > > Regards > Shrikanth > > jhora , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath@> wrote: > > > > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar > > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start > > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today > > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped > > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there. > > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated. > > > > > > Shrikanth > > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM > > jhora > > Renaming JHora > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimhaji > > > > Namaste. > > > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it " Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following. > > > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software. > > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic. > > > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one) > > > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen. > > > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now. > > > > Thanks for all you do. > > > > With best wishes > > Shrikanth > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > Dear > > > > Jaya Bharati > > Regards ~ > > Sanjay Rath > > http://srath.cpm > > > > > > > om gurave namah > Dear > > Jaya Bharati > Regards ~ > Sanjay Rath > http://srath.cpm > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Dinesh, You have to decide first if you want to move from this topic or still ask me questions. Jaya Bharati dinesh_nambisan Saturday, March 13, 2010 12:01 AM jhora Re: Renaming JHora Dear Rath-saab:With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the "Vedic Astrology" -group (see vedic astrology/message/118909) that SJC folks are working on alternate software that will shortly be made free, and in any case no longer trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors - so am curious to why you are suggesting that JH be made open-source?If the SJC version is open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it should establish a good platform for people to contribute, no?Just wondering why we are beating this "open-sourcing-JHora" horse to death; at the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji, if he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need to move on from this topic...Best,./Dineshjhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath wrote:>> Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has to go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish his karma Yoga in this samsara. > You are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely. > > > Shrikanth > Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM> jhora > Re: Renaming JHora> > > > Dear All,> > Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My sincere respects to you.> > JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in forwarding our Jyotish efforts.> > Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to following areas> > 1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu detached from the results but still focused on action.> Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons positive and negative)> > SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit of Jyotisha.> It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along - like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man.> > In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for JHora.> > 2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work as a "Umbrella" software with some common well know functionality developed by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of thought could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora. > > Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science.> > Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use alternative versions if they so chose.> > This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to user.> > 3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not "exposed" - For ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible.> We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons would expose this data for research.> > Again just would like to highlight the fact these are suggestions/recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while - I'll still wait.> > I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed my life.> > Regards> Shrikanth> > jhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:> >> > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar> > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start> > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today> > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped> > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there.> > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated.> > > > > > Shrikanth > > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM> > jhora > > Renaming JHora> > > > > > > > Dear Narasimhaji> > > > Namaste.> > > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following.> > > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.> > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic.> > > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)> > > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen.> > > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.> > > > Thanks for all you do.> > > > With best wishes> > Shrikanth> > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah> > Dear> > > > Jaya Bharati> > Regards ~> > Sanjay Rath> > http://srath.cpm> >> > > > > om gurave namah> Dear> > Jaya Bharati> Regards ~> Sanjay Rath> http://srath.cpm> Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (9) .. 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Guest guest Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 Namaste Rajarshi, > > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another > > level altogether. we can have versions for different things, > > The so called new era of research has already been set in. Now > whoever wants to honestly pursue the same or not pursue the same, > is their business. You are right. BTW, after I shared a few researches like 12th from AK in D-20, finding houses etc, Sanjay ji banned me from his sohamsa list in September 2009 saying " Please do not write to me or disturb this list with your new theories " . Thus, his sincerity in wanting research and " versions for different things " is questionable. * * * BTW, there is no point in anybody discussing about JHora being made open source and/or transferring JHora ownership to SJC. As I mentioned before, I have clear command from my spiritual guru to control the growth and features of JHora in the coming few years and not give an opportunity to people with a biased agenda during these critical years to shred it into pieces, create segmentation, create confusion and stifle research. I will abide by his command. * * * Let us go back to discussing software. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - ---- rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: > Namaste, > > IMO, there is no need to remain Jhora. Nobody owns Jagannatha, so why should it be linked to any specific individual or organization. Everyone is free to use God's name. > > Jhora as it stands today is already allowing for plenty of different variations and options which can used for research. I don't think there is any other software which allows this. Narasimha does a wonderful job of maintaining the software, modifying it to suit various suggestions etc. and I am sure if there are other meaning variations needed, one can always mail the author and get the variation included (provided it is possible within the architecture of the software). As in the case with one dasa system that was included - whose coding was done by another individual -, what is stopping other genuinely interested people from contributing to Jhora? Jhora as it stands today may not be open source, but it is the next best thing to open source. > > The so called new era of research has already been set in. Now whoever wants to honestly pursue the same or not pursue the same, is their business. > > -Regards > Rajarshi > > " Between me and You, there is only me. > Take away the me, so only You remain " - Hallaj > > --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Sanjay Rath <sjrath wrote: > > Sanjay Rath <sjrath > Re: Renaming JHora > jhora > Friday, 12 March, 2010, 10:22 AM > > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there. > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated. > > Shrikanth > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM > jhora > Renaming JHora > > Dear Narasimhaji > > Namaste. > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it " Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following. > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software. > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic. > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one) > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen. > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now. > > Thanks for all you do. > > With best wishes > Shrikanth > > om gurave namah > Dear > > Jaya Bharati > Regards ~ > Sanjay Rath > http://srath. cpm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 The most important issue is to make Jhora bug free at this time rather than adding more to it. - dinesh_nambisan jhora Friday, March 12, 2010 11:31 AM Re: Renaming JHora Dear Rath-saab:With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the "Vedic Astrology" -group (see vedic astrology/message/118909) that SJC folks are working on alternate software that will shortly be made free, and in any case no longer trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors - so am curious to why you are suggesting that JH be made open-source?If the SJC version is open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it should establish a good platform for people to contribute, no?Just wondering why we are beating this "open-sourcing-JHora" horse to death; at the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji, if he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need to move on from this topic...Best,./Dineshjhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath wrote:>> Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has to go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish his karma Yoga in this samsara. > You are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely. > > > Shrikanth > Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM> jhora > Re: Renaming JHora> > > > Dear All,> > Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My sincere respects to you.> > JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in forwarding our Jyotish efforts.> > Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to following areas> > 1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu detached from the results but still focused on action.> Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons positive and negative)> > SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit of Jyotisha.> It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along - like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man.> > In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for JHora.> > 2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work as a "Umbrella" software with some common well know functionality developed by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of thought could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora. > > Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science.> > Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use alternative versions if they so chose.> > This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to user.> > 3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not "exposed" - For ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible.> We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons would expose this data for research.> > Again just would like to highlight the fact these are suggestions/recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while - I'll still wait.> > I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed my life.> > Regards> Shrikanth> > jhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:> >> > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar> > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start> > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today> > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped> > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there.> > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated.> > > > > > Shrikanth > > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM> > jhora > > Renaming JHora> > > > > > > > Dear Narasimhaji> > > > Namaste.> > > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following.> > > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.> > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic.> > > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)> > > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen.> > > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.> > > > Thanks for all you do.> > > > With best wishes> > Shrikanth> > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah> > Dear> > > > Jaya Bharati> > Regards ~> > Sanjay Rath> > http://srath.cpm> >> > > > > om gurave namah> Dear> > Jaya Bharati> Regards ~> Sanjay Rath> http://srath.cpm> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 Well, both have an importance of their own. Anyway people have been helping by reporting bugs. If you noticed any bugs, please do report them here. Thanks, Narasimha ---- Ellis Gordon <ellisfgordon wrote: > The most important issue is to make Jhora bug free at this time rather than adding more to it. > > > - > dinesh_nambisan<dinesh_nambisan > jhora <jhora > > Friday, March 12, 2010 11:31 AM > Re: Renaming JHora > > > > Dear Rath-saab: > > With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the " Vedic Astrology " -group (see vedic astrology/message/118909<http://groups.\ ..comvedic astrology/message/118909>) that SJC folks are working on alternate software that will shortly be made free, and in any case no longer trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors - so am curious to why you are suggesting that JH be made open-source? > If the SJC version is open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it should establish a good platform for people to contribute, no? > Just wondering why we are beating this " open-sourcing-JHora " horse to death; at the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji, if he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need to move on from this topic... > Best, > ./Dinesh > > jhora <jhora%40>, " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote: > > > > Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has to go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish his karma Yoga in this samsara. > > You are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely. > > > > > > Shrikanth > > Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM > > jhora <jhora%40> > > Re: Renaming JHora > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My sincere respects to you. > > > > JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in forwarding our Jyotish efforts. > > > > Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to following areas > > > > 1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu detached from the results but still focused on action. > > Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons positive and negative) > > > > SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit of Jyotisha. > > It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along - like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man. > > > > In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for JHora. > > > > 2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work as a " Umbrella " software with some common well know functionality developed by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of thought could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora. > > > > Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science. > > > > Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use alternative versions if they so chose. > > > > This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to user. > > > > 3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not " exposed " - For ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible. > > We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons would expose this data for research. > > > > Again just would like to highlight the fact these are suggestions/recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while - I'll still wait. > > > > I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed my life. > > > > Regards > > Shrikanth > > > > jhora <jhora%40>, " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath@> wrote: > > > > > > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar > > > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start > > > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today > > > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped > > > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there. > > > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated. > > > > > > > > > Shrikanth > > > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM > > > jhora <jhora%40> > > > Renaming JHora > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimhaji > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it " Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following. > > > > > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software. > > > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic. > > > > > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one) > > > > > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen. > > > > > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now. > > > > > > Thanks for all you do. > > > > > > With best wishes > > > Shrikanth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > Dear > > > > > > Jaya Bharati > > > Regards ~ > > > Sanjay Rath > > > http://srath.cpm<http://srath.cpm/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > Dear > > > > Jaya Bharati > > Regards ~ > > Sanjay Rath > > http://srath.cpm<http://srath.cpm/> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 Respected Sanjay Rath Ji, I am just illiterate in the subject of Jyotish and other related or copyright/ownership related matters. But I think that in a discussion you have a tendency to applaud a opinion who you think is in favor of you and you ask to keep quiet to a person or just change the topic to the person who is even slightly away from you. Respected Sir, IMHO this is not supportive for a healthy discussion. And it also shows your attitude towards the matter. I am sorry if I had said something wrong or sound rude Kind Regards Atul jhora , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote: > > Dinesh, You have to decide first if you want to move from this topic or still ask me questions. > Jaya Bharati > > > dinesh_nambisan > Saturday, March 13, 2010 12:01 AM > jhora > Re: Renaming JHora > > > > Dear Rath-saab: > > With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the " Vedic Astrology " -group (see vedic astrology/message/118909) that SJC folks are working on alternate software that will shortly be made free, and in any case no longer trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors - so am curious to why you are suggesting that JH be made open-source? > If the SJC version is open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it should establish a good platform for people to contribute, no? > Just wondering why we are beating this " open-sourcing-JHora " horse to death; at the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji, if he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need to move on from this topic... > Best, > ./Dinesh > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 Namaste, JHora is named after Lord 'Jagannatha'. It is the reason enough to discourage renaming. Jagannatha will take care of 'Satya' in this sofware. Regarding open sourcing- Where is a need for that. why? 1) JHora has already plenty of options whih covers different scholl of thoughts. 2) Few flexibilities for researcher is already provided 3) It has this group which is open to implement reasonable suggetions as well as correct the bug. 4)As long as Narasimha has energy to control the software in this way, It is much better than open sourcing because here it is *controlled* by a very competent at the same time selfless, research oriented, truthful and spiritual minded Vedic Jyotisha. My 2 cents! Best Regards, Utpal jhora , " Shrikanth " <vgshrikanth wrote: > > Dear Narasimhaji > > Namaste. > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it " Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following. > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software. > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic. > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one) > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen. > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now. > > Thanks for all you do. > > With best wishes > Shrikanth > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 I fully support Sri Utpal's views and that there is no need to change the name of the software. Sri. Narasimha along with his team has been improving upon the software and with updates removing the possible bugs in the earlier version, so the software shud not go away from Shri Narasimhaji. good wishes to shri narasimhaji, k.gopu--- On Sat, 3/13/10, vedic_pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: vedic_pathak <vedic_pathak Re: Renaming JHorajhora Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 8:08 PM Namaste,JHora is named after Lord 'Jagannatha' . It is the reason enough to discourage renaming. Jagannatha will take care of 'Satya' in this sofware.Regarding open sourcing- Where is a need for that.why?1) JHora has already plenty of options whih covers different scholl of thoughts.2) Few flexibilities for researcher is already provided3) It has this group which is open to implement reasonable suggetions as well as correct the bug.4)As long as Narasimha has energy to control the software in this way, It is much better than open sourcing because here it is *controlled* by a very competent at the same time selfless, research oriented, truthful and spiritual minded Vedic Jyotisha.My 2 cents!Best Regards,Utpaljhora (AT) (DOT) com, "Shrikanth" <vgshrikanth@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Narasimhaji> > Namaste.> > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following.> > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.> There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic.> > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)> > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen.> > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.> > Thanks for all you do.> > With best wishes> Shrikanth> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Namaste Dinesh and others, I received the following mail from Sanjay ji this morning. Though it is a private mail, I am forwarding it because it is directly relevant to the public discussion we had below and there is nothing else in this mail other than what we discussed below. >>>>>>>>>>>> Begin >>>>>>>>>>>> om gurave namah One more thing - NEVER EVER make JHora public like source code and such things. One software expert was here and he explained what source code is and all these things like google. This is *my wish and hope*. Please also communicate this to your guru. If ever you do otherwise under his directions, please inform me. I will know that JHora has ended. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762 Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books: www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org <<<<<<<<<<<< End <<<<<<<<<<<< Sanjay ji seems to have had a change of mind. Thus, we are on the same page now! Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - jhora , " dinesh_nambisan " <dinesh_nambisan wrote: > > Dear Rath-saab: > > With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the " Vedic Astrology " -group (see vedic astrology/message/118909) that SJC folks are working on alternate software that will shortly be made free, and in any case no longer trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors - so am curious to why you are suggesting that JH be made open-source? > If the SJC version is open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it should establish a good platform for people to contribute, no? > Just wondering why we are beating this " open-sourcing-JHora " horse to death; at the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji, if he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need to move on from this topic... > Best, > ./Dinesh > > jhora , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath@> wrote: > > > > Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has to go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish his karma Yoga in this samsara. > > You are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely. > > > > > > Shrikanth > > Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM > > jhora > > Re: Renaming JHora > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My sincere respects to you. > > > > JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in forwarding our Jyotish efforts. > > > > Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to following areas > > > > 1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu detached from the results but still focused on action. > > Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons positive and negative) > > > > SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit of Jyotisha. > > It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along - like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man. > > > > In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for JHora. > > > > 2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work as a " Umbrella " software with some common well know functionality developed by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of thought could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora. > > > > Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science. > > > > Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use alternative versions if they so chose. > > > > This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to user. > > > > 3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not " exposed " - For ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible. > > We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons would expose this data for research. > > > > Again just would like to highlight the fact these are suggestions/recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while - I'll still wait. > > > > I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed my life. > > > > Regards > > Shrikanth > > > > jhora , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath@> wrote: > > > > > > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar > > > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start > > > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today > > > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped > > > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there. > > > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated. > > > > > > > > > Shrikanth > > > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM > > > jhora > > > Renaming JHora > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimhaji > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it " Free " - I think it is prudent to do the following. > > > > > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software. > > > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic. > > > > > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one) > > > > > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen. > > > > > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now. > > > > > > Thanks for all you do. > > > > > > With best wishes > > > Shrikanth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > Dear > > > > > > Jaya Bharati > > > Regards ~ > > > Sanjay Rath > > > http://srath.cpm > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > Dear > > > > Jaya Bharati > > Regards ~ > > Sanjay Rath > > http://srath.cpm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Wow! "Between me and You, there is only me. Take away the me, so only You remain" - Hallaj--- On Thu, 18/3/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr Re: Renaming JHorajhora Date: Thursday, 18 March, 2010, 8:00 AM Namaste Dinesh and others,I received the following mail from Sanjay ji this morning. Though it is a private mail, I am forwarding it because it is directly relevant to the public discussion we had below and there is nothing else in this mail other than what we discussed below.>>>>>>>>>>>> Begin >>>>>>>>>>>>om gurave namah One more thing - NEVER EVER make JHora public like source code and such things. One software expert was here and he explained what source code is and all these things like google. This is *my wish and hope*. Please also communicate this to your guru. If ever you do otherwise under his directions, please inform me. I will know that JHora has ended. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762 Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa. com; Books: www.sagittariuspubl ications. com; Community: www.. org <<<<<<<<<<<< End <<<<<<<<<<<<Sanjay ji seems to have had a change of mind. Thus, we are on the same page now!Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,"Do It Yourself" ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgFilms that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.orgSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomJyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -jhora , "dinesh_nambisan" <dinesh_nambisan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rath-saab:> > With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the "Vedic Astrology" -group (see http://groups. / group/vedic- astrology/ message/118909) that SJC folks are working on alternate software that will shortly be made free, and in any case no longer trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors - so am curious to why you are suggesting that JH be made open-source?> If the SJC version is open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it should establish a good platform for people to contribute, no?> Just wondering why we are beating this "open-sourcing- JHora" horse to death; at the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji, if he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need to move on from this topic...> Best,> ./Dinesh> > jhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:> >> > Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has to go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish his karma Yoga in this samsara. > > You are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely. > > > > > > Shrikanth > > Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM> > jhora > > Re: Renaming JHora> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My sincere respects to you.> > > > JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in forwarding our Jyotish efforts.> > > > Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to following areas> > > > 1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu detached from the results but still focused on action.> > Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons positive and negative)> > > > SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit of Jyotisha.> > It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along - like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man.> > > > In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for JHora.> > > > 2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work as a "Umbrella" software with some common well know functionality developed by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of thought could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora. > > > > Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science.> > > > Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use alternative versions if they so chose.> > > > This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to user.> > > > 3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not "exposed" - For ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible.> > We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons would expose this data for research.> > > > Again just would like to highlight the fact these are suggestions/ recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while - I'll still wait.> > > > I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed my life.> > > > Regards> > Shrikanth> > > > jhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:> > >> > > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar> > > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start> > > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today> > > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped> > > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there.> > > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated.> > > > > > > > > Shrikanth > > > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM> > > To: jhora > > > Renaming JHora> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimhaji> > > > > > Namaste.> > > > > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following.> > > > > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.> > > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic.> > > > > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)> > > > > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen.> > > > > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.> > > > > > Thanks for all you do.> > > > > > With best wishes> > > Shrikanth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah> > > Dear> > > > > > Jaya Bharati> > > Regards ~> > > Sanjay Rath> > > http://srath. cpm> > >> > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah> > Dear> > > > Jaya Bharati> > Regards ~> > Sanjay Rath> > http://srath. cpm Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Dear ALL - NamaskarGOD is GREAT. Pray him for such a good message. Yours sincerely Satish --- On Thu, 18/3/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr Re: Renaming JHorajhora Date: Thursday, 18 March, 2010, 2:30 AM Namaste Dinesh and others, I received the following mail from Sanjay ji this morning. Though it is a private mail, I am forwarding it because it is directly relevant to the public discussion we had below and there is nothing else in this mail other than what we discussed below. >>>>>>>>>>>> Begin >>>>>>>>>>>> om gurave namah One more thing - NEVER EVER make JHora public like source code and such things. One software expert was here and he explained what source code is and all these things like google. This is *my wish and hope*. Please also communicate this to your guru. If ever you do otherwise under his directions, please inform me. I will know that JHora has ended. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762 Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa. com; Books: www.sagittariuspubl ications. com; Community: www.. org <<<<<<<<<<<< End <<<<<<<<<<<< Sanjay ji seems to have had a change of mind. Thus, we are on the same page now! Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, "Do It Yourself" ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - jhora , "dinesh_nambisan" <dinesh_nambisan@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Rath-saab: > > With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the "Vedic Astrology" -group (see http://groups. / group/vedic- astrology/ message/118909) that SJC folks are working on alternate software that will shortly be made free, and in any case no longer trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors - so am curious to why you are suggesting that JH be made open-source? > If the SJC version is open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it should establish a good platform for people to contribute, no? > Just wondering why we are beating this "open-sourcing- JHora" horse to death; at the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji, if he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need to move on from this topic... > Best, > ./Dinesh > > jhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote: > > > > Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has to go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish his karma Yoga in this samsara. > > You are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely. > > > > > > Shrikanth > > Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM > > jhora > > Re: Renaming JHora > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My sincere respects to you. > > > > JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in forwarding our Jyotish efforts. > > > > Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to following areas > > > > 1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu detached from the results but still focused on action. > > Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons positive and negative) > > > > SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit of Jyotisha. > > It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along - like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man. > > > > In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for JHora. > > > > 2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work as a "Umbrella" software with some common well know functionality developed by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of thought could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora. > > > > Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science. > > > > Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use alternative versions if they so chose. > > > > This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to user. > > > > 3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not "exposed" - For ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible. > > We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons would expose this data for research. > > > > Again just would like to highlight the fact these are suggestions/ recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while - I'll still wait. > > > > I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed my life. > > > > Regards > > Shrikanth > > > > jhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote: > > > > > > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar > > > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start > > > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today > > > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped > > > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there. > > > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated. > > > > > > > > > Shrikanth > > > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM > > > jhora > > > Renaming JHora > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimhaji > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following. > > > > > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software. > > > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic. > > > > > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one) > > > > > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen. > > > > > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now. > > > > > > Thanks for all you do. > > > > > > With best wishes > > > Shrikanth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > Dear > > > > > > Jaya Bharati > > > Regards ~ > > > Sanjay Rath > > > http://srath. cpm > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > Dear > > > > Jaya Bharati > > Regards ~ > > Sanjay Rath > > http://srath. cpm Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. 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Guest guest Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Feels so good to see that honest side of Sanjay- may it prevail in all of us! Now let's move on. Anna --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr Re: Renaming JHorajhora Received: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 7:30 PM Namaste Dinesh and others,I received the following mail from Sanjay ji this morning. Though it is a private mail, I am forwarding it because it is directly relevant to the public discussion we had below and there is nothing else in this mail other than what we discussed below.>>>>>>>>>>>> Begin >>>>>>>>>>>>om gurave namah One more thing - NEVER EVER make JHora public like source code and such things. One software expert was here and he explained what source code is and all these things like google. This is *my wish and hope*. Please also communicate this to your guru. If ever you do otherwise under his directions, please inform me. I will know that JHora has ended. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762 Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa. com; Books: www.sagittariuspubl ications. com; Community: www.. org <<<<<<<<<<<< End <<<<<<<<<<<<Sanjay ji seems to have had a change of mind. Thus, we are on the same page now!Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,"Do It Yourself" ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgFilms that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.orgSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomJyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -jhora , "dinesh_nambisan" <dinesh_nambisan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rath-saab:> > With all due respect, I noticed that Mrs Rath wrote in the "Vedic Astrology" -group (see http://groups. / group/vedic- astrology/ message/118909) that SJC folks are working on alternate software that will shortly be made free, and in any case no longer trust JHora calculations since it has plenty of errors - so am curious to why you are suggesting that JH be made open-source?> If the SJC version is open-source (which I'm presuming is the case), it should establish a good platform for people to contribute, no?> Just wondering why we are beating this "open-sourcing- JHora" horse to death; at the end of the day it is a free world and the ownership of JH is with PVRji, if he wants to make it open source or accept plugins, he will do so, if not, it ain't gonna happen, and there isn't anything we can do about it, so we all need to move on from this topic...> Best,> ./Dinesh> > jhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:> >> > Shrikanth, extremely wise words. Yes that is what Maruta wants - JHora has to go independent and develop independantly. A child has grown and must finish his karma Yoga in this samsara. > > You are very wise. Thank you for putting it so wisely. > > > > > > Shrikanth > > Friday, March 12, 2010 10:44 PM> > jhora > > Re: Renaming JHora> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > Sanjayji - Thanks for your kind words. It definitely means a lot to me. My sincere respects to you.> > > > JHORA as we all know and have realized in real terms has done great service in forwarding our Jyotish efforts.> > > > Though not clearly stated but my post was to bring focus to the fact that to following areas> > > > 1) JHora will at some point in future have to start a second life like a Sadhu detached from the results but still focused on action.> > Like a Sadhu it'll start a new life with new name and being an asset and belong to the entire world decoupled from its original roots (for all reasons positive and negative)> > > > SJC and PVRji did start this great venture - but its so widely used and acclaimed and it needs to go independent (not just technically) for the benefit of Jyotisha.> > It would be one of those silent credits that SJC/Sanjayji could carry along - like B V Raman ji did for bringing Jyotisha to the common man.> > > > In simple terms stating that it would be better to look for a new name for JHora.> > > > 2) One other point I would make is more technical in nature. JHora could work as a "Umbrella" software with some common well know functionality developed by the author and supporting a concept of Add-Ons wherein different Schools of thought could build there own versions and plug-in to JHora. > > > > Many application do use this model like ex. Mozilla Firefox add-on on Apple or Google Apps add-ons etc., So its not rocket science.> > > > Even the basic elements of JHora (say like Narayana Dasa calcs etc.,) could also be developed (or converted) like Add-Ons by PVRji - enabling users to use alternative versions if they so chose.> > > > This wouldn't corrupt the intent of JHora since its only an umbrella - yet give the users flexibility to add. Free up PVRji's time and give freedom to user.> > > > 3) I've also seen few requests or posts where people wanted to interface and use the internal computations of JHora. These are currently not "exposed" - For ex. Programmatically if somebody wanted to research on charts based on some calculation or combination within the chart - currently its not possible.> > We could potentially expose a set of data structures that thru other Add-Ons would expose this data for research.> > > > Again just would like to highlight the fact these are suggestions/ recommendations when we reach that stage - it may take us a while - I'll still wait.> > > > I still love this awesome software (in any form) that has definitely changed my life.> > > > Regards> > Shrikanth> > > > jhora , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath@> wrote:> > >> > > Tere mu mein ghee-shakkar> > > That's a nice term that people say in Delhi - you wrote *when JHora becomes open source * ... if that happens then a completely new era of jyotish will start> > > many many people can contribute and then it will go to another level altogether. we can have versions for different things, we can also have a nakshatra software ... I have to use excel sheets for most of the calculations even today> > > The Vedic Rishi were great souls, very very great and even the storms were respected and worshipped> > > Maruta is the storm god and Hanumanji does things for a purpose. He burnt Lanka only to allow for another golden era of Vibheeshana and the name of Rama to be there.> > > Of course your other suggestion shows that you are very intelligent - remove the name of Jagannath and Sanjay will simply vanish from your life ... very intelligent suggestion but I will not recommend it. I must be the strangest person you have met who loves to be hated.> > > > > > > > > Shrikanth > > > Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:43 PM> > > To: jhora > > > Renaming JHora> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimhaji> > > > > > Namaste.> > > > > > With the new debate beginning on ownership of JHora and also on making it "Free" - I think it is prudent to do the following.> > > > > > In future when JHora becomes open source - it does need a fresh start decoupled from its SJC roots - in simple terms Name of the software.> > > There may be specific options supporting various schools of thought - but the Name of the software would have to Generic.> > > > > > Since we are releasing a new version in the next few days - I would recommend that you begin this decoupling by naming it something outside of JHora (say Narayana Hora or something very generic)- this way atleast you don't get accused of violating/misusing Jagannatha trademarks etc., (if there is one)> > > > > > We dont need to rename the cpp/h/class files etc., - just the executable and if possible the Splash Screen.> > > > > > Just feel like another major storm brewing over this software now.> > > > > > Thanks for all you do.> > > > > > With best wishes> > > Shrikanth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah> > > Dear> > > > > > Jaya Bharati> > > Regards ~> > > Sanjay Rath> > > http://srath. cpm> > >> > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah> > Dear> > > > Jaya Bharati> > Regards ~> > Sanjay Rath> > http://srath. cpm Be smarter than spam. 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